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Is the Madden Curse Real? / Who Will Be The Last Undefeated Team? / Which Single Season NFL Records Could Be Broken In 2025? · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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  3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL takes
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  Welcome to three guys 6 balls NFL podcast Welcome to episode
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  14 of three guys 6 balls To start off today's episode, I
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  want to say rest in peace to Will's Will Howard for rookie of
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  the year prediction the Pittsburgh Steelers have
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  officially. Signed everything.
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  They ruined everything. I was actually looking forward
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  to seeing how that played out this season, honestly.
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  It would have been great. Should have been great.
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  You know what we'll. Be, I mean, he still has to.
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  He still has to stay healthy though.
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  Yeah, even if he double S his first season in New York with
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  The Jets, that's 4 plays instead of 2, so there's still time.
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  That's almost a drive. Almost one full draft I.
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  Mean What do we expect here to him this season?
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  He can't be a he's the Steelers fan.
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  He's got to have some insight on this.
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  For based off of my, based off of my, based off of my
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  father-in-law and wife's reaction, not much honestly.
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  Oh. Really.
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  Not much. They were hoping for Will
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  Howard. They were like, that's.
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  Are they making for Wolf fans? Here's The thing is they don't,
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  they don't like really dig deep into it, like know who all the
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  players are. Unless they're like a star
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  player, they don't even know who will Howard is, to be honest.
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  I've tried to explain it to my wife and she's like I don't
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  care. Absolutely not Know who Will
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  Howard is. Look at that, Joe gets sucked
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  into this fandom and then he finds out that none of them even
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  care. All they care about is is
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  winning or losing. That's all they care about.
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  They don't care who's on the team.
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  But Aaron Rodgers. They do know that name.
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  The Aaron Rodgers thing, they were not excited.
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  For well, they just don't know what you're gonna get yet.
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  And obviously they're getting peak Aaron Rodgers.
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  If you watch anything on sports media, Aaron Rodgers coming back
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  as the savior of Pittsburgh. So obviously it's well peak.
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  Aaron Rodgers, Well, that's what it sounds like, but it also kind
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  of sounds like they're not even fully aware of who he is because
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  I mean, with what you were explaining, they don't seem to
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  know much about it or the team. So when you said Aaron Rodgers,
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  I first I was thinking they're like, oh, he's washed up.
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  He's not good. But now I don't even think that
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  that's I think that's too deep. Do they like know who he is or
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  like where he played before? Yeah, they know who Aaron
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  Rodgers is. They know all the big names, but
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  they don't watch college football at all, so they don't
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  know who Will Howard is. But why aren't they excited for
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  Aaron Rodgers? Like, do you know, Like, is it
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  just because he's older? He was crap last season.
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  Dude, I honestly, I'll be honest, I don't even know if
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  I've seen him play since he played at Green Bay.
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  And the Steelers announcement, I think it's the funniest thing.
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  And the Steelers announcement of Aaron Rodgers coming back, they
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  showed the clip of him running out with the American flag,
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  which was two seasons ago when said he paid 2 snaps.
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  It's like, is this a memory we want?
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  Yeah, sure, him running out his cool, but that's probably the
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  moment that loosened up his ACL. Oh man, you you're running
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  again. And and then it's done forever.
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  It's the furthest he's ran his whole career.
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  Probably. All right, let's get into our
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  first topic. Is the Madden curse real?
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  So Saquon Barkley was just recently selected as the Madden
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  26 cover athlete. And so the question obviously
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  has been raised, is the Madden curse real?
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  Is Saquon Barkley going to be subject to the Madden curse?
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  What do you guys think? Is the Madden Curse real?
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  No. I agree with Avery, I do not
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  think the madness is real. Do you?
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  Say that no, no, no, no, no. You answer this.
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  Do you think it's real, Joe? Yeah.
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  Do we need to change your answer, Joe?
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  No, I don't think it's real. Oh.
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  My goodness, we got 1 Avery. I don't think it's real.
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  Because sometimes under immense amount of pressure, humans do
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  bad. And bad is subjective, right?
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  Like chances are Christian McCaffrey gets hurt either way,
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  whether he's on the Madden cover or not.
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  That dude, you have the weakest joints ever.
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  He's going to get hurt either way.
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  And and you can just go through history just sometimes when the
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  pressure's on and they get these big contracts and they get the
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  Madden cover and eat this, that and the other, they didn't crack
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  under the pressure. That's humans.
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  I am a conspiracy theorist through and through and I'm not
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  buying this one. This is this is just a bunch of
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  fans just trying to spice up their lives a little bit.
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  The way I see it is most of the quarterbacks do fine unless that
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  quarterback was put on the cover because of some hype.
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  Either they were a fan favorite, or they were exciting, or they
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  were a scrambling quarterback 15 years ago or their running
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  backs. Like those are the guys that get
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  wrecked running backs because they get wrecked no matter what.
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  Like none of those guys are, you know, always coming back for
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  another season. He's going to do it again.
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  It's like, no, no, no, no. Like once you hit 25, like
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  you've peaked, like if you're going down now, I mean, there's
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  been some like crazy stuff that's happened, but there's
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  been crazy stuff that happens all the time.
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  I would say Sean Alexander's is a little suss just because that
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  man had never been injured and then immediately got injured.
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  Like there's some there's some things that like keep you
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  holding on to it, but for the most part there's no way this is
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  real. So to go back to Christian
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  McCaffrey, so he was actually injured in 2020 and 2021 with
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  the Panthers. He only played three games in
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  2020 and seven games in 2021. And he wasn't on the Madden
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  covers. But also, I went through every
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  single year of the Madden cover from 01 to Madden 25.
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  Oh gosh. Wait, this Madden 25 or the last
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  Madden 20? Five The first Madden 25.
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  What year was that? Like 16/13/13?
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  What? It was somewhere.
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  Remember it was 25th. It was 25th and. 25th
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  anniversary and I remember. Even asking, I think, I think it
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  was with you guys or I asked somebody, I'm like, what are
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  they going to do when we actually hit 2024?
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  Are they going to just do it again?
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  Are they going to come up with a new name?
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  Like who knows? And then they did it. 2013 NFL
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  Madden 25 2013 video game Barry Sanders actually.
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  Was in. Calvin Johnson on the cover of
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  13 I. Don't know, I'm looking at Barry
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  Sanders's face. Joel, you should know.
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  You look. You look at every single one,
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  Calvin. Johnson actually totally bucked
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  the Madden Curse that dude. Arrived, you say?
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  Adrian Peterson. There's Adrian Peterson here.
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  Adrian Peterson was Madden 14. Oh, you know what?
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  Yeah, it's 2014. So yeah, it was Adrian Peterson
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  and Barry Sanders. OK, OK, so I'm not.
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  So Calvin Johnson was on Madden 13.
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  Probably. See, I knew I looked it up
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  correctly. Didn't mean to doubt you.
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  Anyway, so I went through every single year of the Madden cover
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  and here's what I came up with. So I I went through and I put a
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  a yes or no for if they're cursed or not.
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  And from Madden O1 to Madden 25, I came up with 13 1/2 out of 24
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  players were cursed. And I put 13 1/2 because there
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  was one year where Larry Fitzgerald and Troy Palmoli were
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  on the cover. Troy was cursed.
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  Troy was cursed. Larry was not.
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  Yeah, yes. So 56.25% of all the Madden
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  cover athletes have been cursed. However, from 2014 to 2024 to
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  Madden 15 to Madden 25. Madden 25 to Madden 25.
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  Yeah. So only four out of those ten
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  players were cursed. So it drops down to 40%.
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  So just based off of those numbers, I would say it's not
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  cursed because it shows that more often than not the players
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  are not cursed. What do we classify as cursed?
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  Is it just the following year? Is it the rest of their career?
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  What are we? What are we classifying as
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  cursed? Well, OK, so that's actually a
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  good question because thank you. Let me give you an example.
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  So. Madden 15, Richard Sherman's on
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  the cover. OK, so.
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  The best player. He played just as well as he did
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  the season before, but the Seahawks go to the Super Bowl,
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  they don't run the ball at the 1 yard line, and Richard Sherman
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  gets turned into a forever meme. Every time.
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  How does that come up every every time?
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  We're just trying to talk about the Seahawks for our our
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  dedicated fan, Joey Case. I feel bad for him because
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  that's probably the face that every Seahawks fan made at that
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  moment. They just had to happen to have
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  a camera on him of. Course it did.
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  Everyone's like just happened. So do you consider that a curse
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  or not? I don't know.
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  I wouldn't consider that a curse for him as a player
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  specifically, but you could consider it a curse for the
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  team. Sure.
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  So I really just depends on how you view the curse.
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  See, I mean, but like Culpepper and Vince Young, like those guys
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  were just hype quarterbacks. Vince Young?
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  Neither. Of them had a great year, didn't
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  one of them have more interceptions than they threw
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  touchdowns the year they got put on it?
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  Like in the season that they got put on or the season before they
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  get that season. Before the season, that got them
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  the cover. Yeah.
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  Because I mean, like Vince Young, I mean, that was like he
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  was just exciting at Texas. And then everyone's thinking
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  like, this is the guy. And I think they put it on there
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  a little preemptively. Like I think most of the guys,
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  I'd be curious. I mean, there's no way to know
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  like what they're deciding factors were.
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  But I think a lot of the guys that got put on there were just
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  like, oh, this guy's hot right now.
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  Not meaning like, you know, oh, you won the MVP.
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  But it's like, you know, I mean, even Peyton Hillis, dude, I
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  never knew who Peyton Hillis was.
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  I remember us having a Joel's house, the cover of it, and
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  we're all like, who is this guy? And we had to like, look him up.
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  He had an MVP caliber season and no one knew who he was.
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  Huge football fans, it's like huge NFL fans were watching it
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  all the time. Madden regularly.
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  When he played on the Browns. So like, obviously we're not
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  going to really know who he is. And there's a reason that was
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  the one of the season they did the fan voting for the Madden
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  cover. Is that actually 1 fan voting?
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  Because because of Cleveland is one thing.
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  They are together. And they have nothing better to
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  do. There's nothing better to do in
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  that city. LeBron, even LeBron left.
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  You know, what's funny is that the argument we're making
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  against Peyton Hillis being on the cover is like the same thing
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  that we're accusing the NFL or the NBA of doing as far as
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  rigging like, games or putting better teams in there.
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  Because we'd be like, who? I don't want to see Oklahoma
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  City and Indianapolis play. And the NBA is like, I know we
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  don't either, but you guys were on to us so we had to chill.
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  And now you have like the lowest viewership finals ever.
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  Anyway, that's. I pulled up Vince Young's stats
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  from the season that got him put on the Madden cover.
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  So he threw 12 touchdowns and 13 interceptions.
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  He only completed 51.5% of his passes.
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  He should not have. OK, but what do I do Comparison
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  to the rest of the NFL though? Was that good for the time
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  period? It better not have been.
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  That's never good. That's a bad question.
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  They wouldn't have sold games at all.
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  I would be like, I'm not playing the game I watched the whole
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  season. I don't want to watch that.
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  Let's just say Tom Brady was in his prime then.
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  So no, that's not good. I.
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  Mean if that was the case, if everyone was throwing as many
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  interceptions as touchdowns, we'd have a cornerback or a
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  safety on the cover. You're right, you're right.
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  Lamar Jackson was on the cover of 2021 and he's only gotten
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  better since then. I mean he's like the anti curse.
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  Calvin Johnson did the same thing like two seasons after
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  that. He like topped the season that
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  he got the cover. Michael Vick O 4 07 No Michael.
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  Vick, Michael Vick was on the cover of Mad No Four, Yeah.
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  You're right, but he was. He was cursed.
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  He was cursed though. Hold on though, what?
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  Did Michael Vick even do? He did.
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  Not do that much worse in the NFL the previous or the
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  following two seasons, and then he had to legally take a couple
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  seasons off and sure after that he did worse.
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  The season after he was on the cover, he fractured his leg and
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  he played five games. OK, yeah, checks out.
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  Actually, I rest my case for proven wrong.
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  I rest my case. But yeah, I mean, recently
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  you've got you've got players like Patrick Mahomes, who in his
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  cover season won a Super Bowl, won his first Super Bowl.
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  You've got Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes, who were both on the
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  cover of Madden 22. I guess if you want to stretch
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  it out, you could call them cursed because neither of them
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  won the Super Bowl or made the Super Bowl in that season.
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  So I guess if you want to stretch that.
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  Out You cannot make sure the Super Bowl is cursed.
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  When you're Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady, yes.
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  I mean, sure, but still. And then you've got Josh Allen,
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  who is on the cover of Madden 24, who scored 40 plus total
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  touchdowns for the fourth straight year.
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  So recently, up until Christian McCaffrey, the curse wasn't.
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  A thing, I think it was a bigger thing back in the day, But but
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  as Avery mentioned, there's players made to cover because
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  they were just getting used and abused by their team.
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  That's why they got the stats they got, obviously, except for
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  some of them, sure, But then the following season their bodies
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  just broken down. So it just doesn't it just
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  doesn't work right. So I don't know.
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  I think what's going to be interesting is as we push
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  forward with our college football games, the incident of
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  late 25 cover had Quinn Ewers, Travis Hunter and Donovan
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  Edwards says that's his name, right?
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  Donovan. Yeah, yeah.
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  From Michigan running back and and that Donovan Edwards had a
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  drop off like no other this year.
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  And Quinn Ewers wasn't bad, but he wasn't good as as good as he
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  was a previous year. Only when he really performed
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  was Travis Hunter. So 2/3 of that cover was not
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  yet. I'm wondering if it's if now
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  that the college football's back, if the curse has switched.
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  We'll wait like 10 years and we'll come back to that.
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  We'll see. Actually, to be fair, I I feel
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  kind of bad for Quinn. Yours.
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  I'm like, dude, you come back for the senior season, you've
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  got little Manning right behind you.
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  Yeah, like, everyone's just waiting.
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  They're like, yeah, like you better bring it.
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  I mean, you don't have to because we can just bench you
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  anytime we want. But like, you're our guy for
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  now. Steve Sarkeesian, right head
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  coach out there. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I wonder how many times he had to defend his Quin.
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  Your choice. How many?
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  And it's not like how many weeks, but how many times a week
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  he had to defend the No, we're sticking with Quinn coaching.
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  You sure sticking with Quinn? Yeah, we talked about that
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  before the the his whole entire season.
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  Nobody wanted to play all he was leading his team to the
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  playoffs. So whatever, as you see.
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  So wait, this was was this Archie's second season?
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  I know he redshirted, but that's not going to matter because he's
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  going to go off for three. So he's only going to play for
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  one season, Yes. I.
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  Wonder if that was? There's no way.
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  They already talked about having a number one pick next year.
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  Because at first I was thinking, OK, maybe they like, well, at
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  first I was like, why would you go to Texas?
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  Because you're going to play behind Quinn yours for two years
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  and then you're only going to play one season and leave.
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  And then I'm thinking maybe that was the plan.
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  Go to a big a nice school with, you know, a good place that can
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  develop you, but not take the wear and tear and abuse.
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  Prove yourself after one season and then go get paid real money.
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  Although he's getting paid real money right now, probably he's
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  not even playing do. You guys actually think he's
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  going to be good? Coin yours or Archie Manning?
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  No, Archie. Manning.
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  No, that was I. Think it was too.
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  Quick, I don't think so bad. I just don't like that everybody
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  is like giving him all this praise and saying he's the next
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  big thing, but he hasn't done anything.
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  I mean, he's he played a few games and he actually did pretty
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  well. But I mean, I'll say that like
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  I'm sure a lot of people can't, you know, compartmentalize the
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  fact that he's a Manning. You know, if he had any other
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  last name, I'm sure he would just be a highly ranked
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  quarterback that they're excited to to watch finally.
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  So I'd say a lot of the hype is purely because of who he is.
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  Last year he appeared in 10 games, had 61 completions on 90
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  attempts through for 939 yards, 9 touchdowns, 2 picks.
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  I mean, that's pretty good for garbage time because that's all
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  he's really coming in. So he's coming in to play
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  against the ones usually, but there were statue to have for
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  sure. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm
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  excited to watch him and like see how he is, but I just don't
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  like that everybody's already saying he's the number one pick
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  and he hasn't even really played a season.
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  How many times have we seen where a quarterback is supposed
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  to be the number one pick and then he sucks?
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  Yeah, I mean, to me, I don't know, you know, I was always
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  surprised with the Andrew Luck progression because he was that
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  guy like 2 years before he got to the NFL.
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  Like everyone was already saying this is the guy, this is the
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  guy. And he had everything, you know,
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  on paper and everything like the height, the build, intelligence,
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  you know, the form and everything.
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  And then he came in the league and actually like lived up to
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  it. I mean, again, minus injuries
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  and stuff, how many other guys have we had like Luck where it's
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  like some guys basically like a prophesied, you know, player and
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  it was Greg Odin in the NBA. I'm just kind of thinking of
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  like Spencer Rattler when he was at Oklahoma, he was supposed to
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  be the number one pick and he was total.
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  Garbage the whole time. And I'm not saying Arch
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  Manning's going to be that, but that just like that experience
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  watching this number one overall pick, he wasn't good at all.
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  And he get, oh, he's in the Saints.
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  He's the Saints, yeah, he played several games last year because
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  of Derek Carr's injury and he wasn't very good.
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  Oh well, let me ask you guys, this is a little off topic, kind
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  of. Who do you think ends up
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  starting Rattler or Shuck? Shuck.
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  Really. They spent a second round pick
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  on him. When was Rattler drafted?
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  What? What are they going to do?
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  Let him sit behind Spencer Rattler and develop behind the
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  experience? One year vet.
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  Oh, Rattler is a fifth round pick.
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  I don't think they're spending the number 40 overall pick on
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  him to let him sit when Spencer Rattler is their other
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  quarterback. Geez, nevermind.
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  OK, he went. Oh, and six.
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  Yeah, he's terrible. Do you resend your question?
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  Yeah, just cut that part. No, don't I was I 'cause I know
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  he was. Bad.
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  But then I'm like, maybe maybe he's not actually as bad as I'm
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  thinking. Maybe there's maybe there's
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  something there. And then I looked it up like
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  now. Yeah, 13.
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  I should have trusted my initial gut. 1300 yards, 4 touchdowns, 5
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  picks, 4 touchdowns in six games.
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  Oh yeah, that's terrible. 57% completion percentage.
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  This dude's bad guys are fumbled five times, hit 5 picks and five
• 17:51
  fumbles. Wait, so he had more picks and
• 17:53
  fumbles than he did touchdowns? Touchdown passes.
• 17:56
  Winner. No wonder they went over six.
• 17:58
  We kept starting. Oh, he lost three of them.
• 18:00
  Holy cow. Jeez.
• 18:02
  Yeah, that's so I would say, I would say Chuck.
• 18:05
  It's what the shucks. I'd say someone else someone
• 18:07
  else. They forgot Taysom.
• 18:08
  Oh, they do. You know what do?
• 18:10
  They, yeah, but I don't think they're going to start him a
• 18:12
  quarterback when he's there, everything.
• 18:14
  It's a Goodyear to get Taysom Hill as your tight end as a
• 18:18
  starting quarterback. He's going to throw it to
• 18:19
  himself. Well.
• 18:20
  If famous, football doesn't know what to do with Taysom Hill, so
• 18:22
  they leave him as a tight end and he sometimes throws the ball
• 18:25
  and plays quarterbacks. So you get all sorts of stats.
• 18:27
  Not that. What is that guy's name?
• 18:29
  Who's the backup in Atlanta? What's that guy's name?
• 18:31
  Kirk Cousins. He's the backup.
• 18:33
  Yeah, he's Michael Pennix. It's Michael Pennix.
• 18:35
  He's in Atlanta. He got benched last year.
• 18:38
  Don't worry, we're going to get to all these quarterbacks in our
• 18:41
  next segment. So let's just keep, let's just
• 18:43
  keep talking about show you quarterbacks.
• 18:45
  Pardon me, I don't know I won't slip there, but I, I I think the
• 18:51
  trade value for a veteran quarterback like Kirk Cousins at
• 18:56
  Fred's name all I think it was case Keam that wasn't it.
• 18:59
  The the, the trade value for Kirk Cousins is going to be
• 19:03
  incredibly high. We're going to get 2-3 games
• 19:06
  into the season. These teams are going to be Owen
• 19:08
  3 and their quarterbacks are gonna be just just terrible,
• 19:13
  absolutely awful and early. Alright, we'll get somebody else
• 19:15
  in here who has salvage this season.
• 19:17
  And so the phones are going to ring for Atlanta and they're
• 19:19
  going to get a King's ransom for Casey or fees.
• 19:22
  I did it again for Kirk Cousins this year.
• 19:24
  And then the problem is, is that Michael Pinnix isn't gonna be
• 19:27
  the guy either. But the Falcons don't give a
• 19:28
  hoot. And those those sack of season
• 19:30
  whatever, who cares? So I'm so upset that we lost to
• 19:33
  that guy at Oregon. Yeah, he's left-handed, too.
• 19:37
  I'm just kidding. He's fine.
• 19:40
  I hate watching a lefty ball. I don't like it.
• 19:43
  It's unnatural. Sorry, Lincoln.
• 19:44
  It's not the way God intended it to be.
• 19:47
  Your parents are just forced you to use your right hand like
• 19:49
  everybody else's parents. All right, let's get on to our
• 19:52
  next topic. All right, so we're going to be
• 19:54
  talking about which team will be the last undefeated team this
• 19:57
  season. Before we do that, I have a
• 19:59
  little stat dump for you guys. So over the last 25 years, the
• 20:03
  average amount of wins before the last undefeated team has
• 20:07
  lost their first game is 8.44. There's been seven times that
• 20:11
  there has been a double digit win team before their first
• 20:15
  loss, and none of those teams have ever.
• 20:17
  Won the Super Bowl. 13 teams that have been the last
• 20:21
  undefeated team have reached the Super Bowl, but only one has won
• 20:25
  the Super Bowl and the last one to do it was the 2006 Colts.
• 20:29
  And then three of the teams that were the last undefeated team
• 20:32
  have actually missed the playoffs, the 2002 Chargers, the
• 20:36
  2014 Eagles, and the 2016 Vikings.
• 20:39
  So with that being said, Will who do you have as your team
• 20:43
  that will be the last undefeated team this year?
• 20:44
  So probably no surprise to anybody.
• 20:46
  I've been on this team for way too much, way too long.
• 20:49
  I know with the acquisition of Aaron Rodgers, this moves the
• 20:51
  needle and I'm gonna go with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 20:54
  You took. Mine, I'm not sorry.
• 20:57
  Their first four games, they're at New York Jets, home against
• 21:01
  Seattle, at New England, home against Minnesota.
• 21:05
  None of those games scare me. The scariest 1 is Seattle, but
• 21:09
  you're at home and Pittsburgh does significantly better at
• 21:11
  home, and you have a bye week and you're home against
• 21:14
  Cleveland. You're at the Bengals.
• 21:16
  They can't stop anybody. Week 8, you're home against
• 21:18
  Green Bay. Week 9, you're home against
• 21:20
  Indianapolis. And then your first loss
• 21:23
  probably comes at Week 10 at La for the Chargers.
• 21:27
  They have a pretty favorable schedule to begin with.
• 21:30
  It ends in an absolute slaughter.
• 21:32
  The Bengals again, Chicago, Buffalo, Baltimore, Miami,
• 21:35
  Detroit, Cleveland, Baltimore, the finish of their their
• 21:39
  schedule is is murderous, but it opens up really soft and they
• 21:43
  have a chance to secure what's his bucket.
• 21:46
  The coach out there, Mike Tomlin, thank you for that.
• 21:49
  They have a chance to cure Mike Tomlin his winning season before
• 21:52
  they even get to a hard part of the season.
• 21:55
  I'm curious if that was not on purpose.
• 21:58
  By the NFL. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:00
  The scheduling by the NFL, if that was not on purpose to get
• 22:03
  them enough under themselves because there was no guarantee
• 22:06
  they were going to get Aaron Rodgers, other NFL may have
• 22:09
  known that already. Although I would also like to
• 22:11
  mention, I don't believe the NFL is raped as an overall theme.
• 22:14
  I don't believe it's raped individual thing, sure, but as
• 22:17
  an as a way to get Mike Tomlin his required nine wins if they
• 22:23
  kind of lofted the front half of that season up to a bit softer.
• 22:27
  Well, if that's the case, they've done it before because
• 22:30
  in 2020 and 2024 the Steelers started very strong and then
• 22:35
  they finished very poor. So in 2020 they were the last
• 22:39
  undefeated team. They started 11 and O their last
• 22:42
  five games. They went one and four and they
• 22:44
  finished 12:00 and 4:00. Then in 2024, they started 10
• 22:48
  and three. They lost their last four games
• 22:51
  to go 10:00 and 7:00. So it seems like the NFL has
• 22:54
  done this to the Steelers a couple of different times
• 22:57
  before, but with this schedule, the way it's set up, I had them
• 23:01
  getting eight wins to start off, potentially more, potentially
• 23:05
  more. But I think those first eight
• 23:06
  games for the Steelers are very winnable.
• 23:09
  I think that with the Packers game specifically, that's the
• 23:11
  only team in the NFL that Aaron Rodgers has not beat because he
• 23:15
  was playing for them. And I think he's going to be
• 23:17
  motivated to try and beat the Packers.
• 23:19
  So I have them winning eight games.
• 23:21
  I think just like Will mentioned, their schedule starts
• 23:24
  off fairly easy with several winnable games.
• 23:27
  And the last part of their schedule is very tough.
• 23:31
  Sorry to steal your answer, that's been the thing about not
• 23:33
  hosting is that I get to go either first or second and
• 23:36
  chances are avers are not going to agree with me because that's
• 23:38
  just how life works and so I just win.
• 23:40
  Well, I'm going to start going first then.
• 23:42
  No, your host. Sorry pal all.
• 23:45
  Right Avery, who did you pick as your team?
• 23:47
  I had. Do you guys want to guess?
• 23:49
  The 49ers. Know why?
• 23:52
  Just because they have the easiest schedule.
• 23:53
  Because. Their schedule is so easy.
• 23:56
  Now I had the Bills. Interesting.
• 23:58
  Because they also had a they have the 5th easiest schedule.
• 24:01
  Somehow I don't understand. That start off against the.
• 24:04
  Ravens, so I was going to pick whoever wins Bill's a Ravens.
• 24:08
  Whoever wins that game is going to go in to figure for a bad
• 24:10
  yes, I had that that so I was like, oh, that's that yes, they
• 24:14
  do start off against each other, but sorry, it's your it's your
• 24:17
  turn. The floor is yours.
• 24:17
  I'm sorry, no. That's that is honest.
• 24:19
  I was having similar thoughts because that was the game that I
• 24:22
  was worried about. But besides that, like, I mean,
• 24:25
  I thought, I mean, unlike the Steelers that have that gauntlet
• 24:29
  of a meat grinder at the end of the season, the Bills, I mean,
• 24:34
  granted, I'm looking at it through the lens of the current
• 24:38
  Buffalo Bills rather than, you know, if the 49ers were having
• 24:41
  to do it. But I feel like they're going to
• 24:43
  have one of the best records in the NFL.
• 24:46
  And I think that they have the best shot to stay undefeated the
• 24:50
  longest. But I also have to, you know,
• 24:53
  point out what Will said. I think that if the Ravens win
• 24:56
  that game, I think the Ravens might happen as well.
• 24:59
  At that point, the Bills will have no shot because it's it's
• 25:01
  over. But I like the Bills.
• 25:03
  I think they got the best shot. Just looking at their schedule.
• 25:05
  So yeah, they start off at home against the Ravens, then they go
• 25:09
  to The Jets. They play the Dolphins, the
• 25:12
  Saints, the Patriots, Falcons and Panthers, and then they play
• 25:16
  the Chiefs. So we know they can be in the
• 25:18
  regular season especially and they.
• 25:20
  Go to homelands and chiefs there too.
• 25:22
  Yeah, then they go to the Dolphins.
• 25:24
  Then they play Tampa Bay. Then the Texans, Steelers,
• 25:28
  Bengals, Patriots, Browns, Eagles and Jets.
• 25:32
  Really there's only like 3 you could maybe say. 4.
• 25:36
  I would maybe say three to five games on that schedule that they
• 25:40
  could potentially lose. The rest of them, they should
• 25:42
  win. Yeah, I like them.
• 25:44
  On the flip side of that, Baltimore, they're going to
• 25:46
  start off against Buffalo at Buffalo and has Cleveland,
• 25:50
  Detroit, which who knows if they're going to be this year
• 25:52
  and they're they're in KC. Their first four, three of their
• 25:56
  first four are not easy games. Once they make it out of that,
• 25:59
  it will easy ease up. But we've talked about before
• 26:04
  the AFC North, they just beat each other down the entire radio
• 26:08
  season. Whoever wins the AFC North
• 26:10
  usually sets himself up pretty good in the playoffs.
• 26:11
  It'll be really interesting to watch, especially as the season
• 26:14
  comes to an end there with the the Sealers who have a real
• 26:18
  possibility of getting off to a hot start and then coming to a
• 26:22
  crashing halt early. Yeah, just based on that
• 26:24
  schedule, I don't think it's going to be the Ravens.
• 26:27
  I think they're they've, they've got to lose at least one of
• 26:29
  those three games that you mentioned against the Bills,
• 26:32
  Lions or Chiefs. Yeah, we've got the Browns at
• 26:34
  home against Brown. I'm just kidding.
• 26:36
  Hey, they lost to the Browns last year.
• 26:38
  Drew, it is. It is only June.
• 26:42
  I get that. But if your team doesn't already
• 26:44
  have a starting quarterback named, your chances this season,
• 26:48
  I give you incredibly low chances.
• 26:50
  And so the Browns are in that boat now where I think Joe
• 26:53
  Flacco may be listed as the current starter, but I don't
• 26:56
  know if that's real or if they just kind of have to list
• 26:59
  somebody. And so as as the offseason goes
• 27:02
  on and again, I know it's only June, season starts in
• 27:05
  September, regular season starts in September.
• 27:07
  But the longer things go on and you don't have a starting
• 27:09
  quarterback named to me, your chances in the season just
• 27:13
  continue to dwindle. Yeah, I would agree.
• 27:15
  I think they, I don't know if you guys saw that report that
• 27:17
  Shudur was like the 5th quarterback, 4th or 5th
• 27:20
  quarterback on the depth chart. I think they just said that just
• 27:23
  to try and create some like hype around the.
• 27:25
  Branch. I don't think he's 5th.
• 27:26
  I imagine that would be Deshaun Watson.
• 27:28
  Maybe he's behind Deshaun. Injured Deshaun doesn't have an
• 27:32
  Achilles or an ACL or something. Maybe maybe Deshaun Watson has
• 27:35
  been giving the coaches massages and so they bumped him up on the
• 27:40
  Ted pic. Goes around, comes around.
• 27:42
  Gabriel's gonna have a better career than Sanders.
• 27:44
  Dionne Yeah. Did you mean Shiloh?
• 27:47
  Let's be specific. Shiloh will have better career
• 27:49
  than all three of them put. It down spreadsheet.
• 27:53
  On the spreadsheet, Yeah, that's going on the spreadsheet.
• 27:56
  Prime time move over dude. Shiloh's here.
• 27:59
  Primetime junior, you're. I believe in the ranking of
• 28:03
  kids. Your third favorite or fourth
• 28:04
  favorite? I am, no.
• 28:06
  Did you see? Yeah.
• 28:07
  Did you see Dion? I actually ranked his kids.
• 28:09
  No, he. Said that, I'm not kidding you.
• 28:12
  Who is top? Let me look it up real quick.
• 28:14
  Whoever has the best NFL career is going to be top, Yeah.
• 28:16
  Dion Sanders, It's a dynamic. It's it's a power ranking.
• 28:19
  It goes. It's week to week.
• 28:21
  All right, Dion Sanders, kid. Power rankings.
• 28:24
  I kid you not. This is a real thing, he goes.
• 28:27
  Dion Sanders, Junior Shalomi. I don't know who that is.
• 28:33
  And then Shiloh, it sits right above.
• 28:36
  It sits right above. So Shiloh's number 3, Shudur's
• 28:39
  number four, and Deandra is #5. Wait, who?
• 28:42
  Who's 1 and 2? Dion Junior and Shalomi Shalami.
• 28:48
  It's probably not. It's probably not even close to
• 28:51
  that. That's how you pronounce it,
• 28:53
  considering Will's track record. Is that a boy or a girl?
• 28:57
  I do believe it's a girl. I don't know, but I'll take your
• 29:01
  word for it. All right, but Deion Junior?
• 29:06
  #1 yes. Who is that?
• 29:08
  Is he 5? How old?
• 29:10
  Is number 1. I don't know.
• 29:11
  No. How old is he?
• 29:13
  I know he's, I know he's one asking if he was five years old.
• 29:18
  Did he not play football? I don't know he he's 3, how
• 29:21
  could he be #31 play football? He's born at night.
• 29:24
  He's only 5 foot 7. How is this guy number one?
• 29:27
  OK, that. That makes sense.
• 29:29
  Why he? He played, he played SMU.
• 29:32
  Oh, he did flip from. Geez, yeah.
• 29:35
  From 2013, 2015 played defensive back.
• 29:38
  Other notable. Events Is he a coach?
• 29:40
  Is he a coach at Colorado? Now doesn't appear to.
• 29:43
  He's just hanging around there. Under other notable other
• 29:46
  notable events it says has a photo of himself in his dorm
• 29:48
  with Versace betting so clearly winner number one, yeah.
• 29:53
  Yeah, if that's on there, yeah, there's nothing else to post.
• 29:58
  There's an allegation by the Roll Right concert.
• 29:59
  I just admitted that. All right, well, on that note,
• 30:04
  let's get on to our last topic. I'm excited for this one.
• 30:06
  Me too. So our last topic for this
• 30:09
  episode is which single season NFL records could be broken in
• 30:13
  2025? S Will, since we started with
• 30:16
  you last time, let's go ahead and start with Avery on this
• 30:18
  one. No, Joe, why don't you go first?
• 30:19
  On behalf of Avery and I, why don't you go first?
• 30:23
  Yeah, you want me to go first? Yeah, and if you take mine, I'm
• 30:25
  going to quit. I I will quit.
• 30:29
  I quit. I highly doubt that I'm going to
• 30:32
  take yours. OK, so for mine, for my single
• 30:35
  season record that could be broken in 2025, I went with
• 30:39
  completion percentage which was set by Drew Brees in 2018 with
• 30:44
  74.4%. So last season there were five
• 30:49
  quarterbacks who completed over 70% of their passes.
• 30:53
  Those five quarterbacks were Geno Smith, Joe Burrow, Baker
• 30:56
  Mayfield, Jared Goff, and Tua. So I narrowed that list down to
• 31:00
  two players who I think could potentially break the record
• 31:03
  this season. The first one I went with is Joe
• 31:06
  Burrow. And the reason why I went with
• 31:08
  Joe Burrow is because there are currently 2 quarterbacks in NFL
• 31:11
  history who have completed 70% or more of their passes multiple
• 31:16
  times in a full season, Drew Brees and Joe Burrow.
• 31:20
  And so he's already done it twice.
• 31:22
  He's one of two quarterbacks to do it more than once.
• 31:24
  Drew Brees did it 7 times, but Joe Burrow has done it more than
• 31:27
  once. And so the fact that he's done
• 31:29
  it already more than once tells me that he's going to probably
• 31:32
  do it again. And so if he's probably going to
• 31:34
  do it again, there's a good chance that he is going to
• 31:37
  challenge Drew Brees for that record.
• 31:39
  Now, the two times he's done it, he's had 70.4% and 70.6% of his
• 31:44
  passes completed. So he's on the lower end of 70%,
• 31:48
  but just the fact that he's in that same category as Drew Brees
• 31:52
  tells me that he has a chance to do it.
• 31:54
  The second player I picked is Baker Mayfield.
• 31:56
  So last season he completed 71.4% of his passes.
• 32:00
  This offseason they drafted Emeki Agbuca and Tez Johnson.
• 32:04
  So they put those two wide receivers in the wide receiver
• 32:07
  room with Mike Evans, Chris Godwin and Jalen McMillan.
• 32:11
  So he's got Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Jalen McMillan and Mecca
• 32:14
  Agbuca. Tez Johnson and Kate Auten.
• 32:16
  They're tight end and then he also has two really good
• 32:19
  receiving running backs in Bucky Irving and Rashad White.
• 32:23
  So I know Baker Mayfield did throw 16 interceptions last
• 32:26
  season, but he still completed 71.4% of his passes while doing
• 32:30
  that. So they went out, they got these
• 32:32
  receivers. Basically, the Buccaneers are
• 32:34
  telling us that they were already good at passing last
• 32:37
  year. They ranked third in passing
• 32:38
  yards. But now they're telling us, hey,
• 32:40
  we're still going to be good at passing.
• 32:42
  We're going to be one of the best teams in the NFL at passing
• 32:45
  the ball. We're going to pass the ball a
• 32:46
  lot and we're going to be good at it.
• 32:48
  And so that's why I think Baker Mayfield could potentially
• 32:52
  challenge Drew Brees for that record of completion percentage
• 32:54
  in the season. Dude, I'm just now once you said
• 32:57
  the Drew Brees thing, I looked that up.
• 32:58
  Jeez, what a what a season that was.
• 33:01
  And then also the the 342.3 yards per game average was a
• 33:08
  record. And I was like, how did he get
• 33:09
  that record but not the yards record?
• 33:12
  And then I remember Peyton Manning had the yards record and
• 33:15
  he was one, one yard above. And so they naturally, naturally
• 33:21
  they share the yards per game record because you can't divide
• 33:28
  a single yard into sixteens. Dude, Peyton Manning 5000 was
• 33:35
  that 5500? 55.
• 33:38
  Touchdowns. Oh, I thought about putting that
• 33:42
  record as the record that I was going to pick, but then I was
• 33:44
  like, no, there's no, there's no way.
• 33:48
  Even with 17 games, there's no way.
• 33:50
  Yeah like that's insane. That team scored like 37.9
• 33:54
  points a game. God.
• 33:56
  That wasn't even in Indy, Indianapolis.
• 33:58
  That was in Denver. That was like the end of his
• 34:01
  career. He did that stupid.
• 34:03
  I believe that was the year they got wrecked in the Super Bowl,
• 34:06
  but in the regular season they dominated.
• 34:08
  That was that was the safety. Open play safety Super Bowl.
• 34:12
  It was the Golden State Warriors.
• 34:14
  See Seahawks fans we talked about.
• 34:16
  The Golden State Warriors. We talked about your good Super
• 34:18
  Bowls too, Seahawks, OK, not just your bad.
• 34:21
  Correction. Good Super Bowl.
• 34:22
  You're right, my bad. And indirectly while glazing
• 34:25
  Peyton Manning, Yeah. Well, what do you guys think?
• 34:30
  What do you guys think of Joe Burrow or Baker Mayfield
• 34:32
  potentially challenging that? Record.
• 34:33
  I asked this question earlier. I like Joe.
• 34:35
  Is Joe Burrow good? He just said he was.
• 34:37
  I know, but is but is he I mean? I mean, he's been to the NFC
• 34:41
  Championship game twice. OK, Rex Grossman made the Super
• 34:43
  Bowl. OK.
• 34:45
  Once. Just once.
• 34:47
  But Joe Burress only made the Super Bowl once.
• 34:48
  How many times did Rex Grossman go to the the NFC?
• 34:51
  Champion. No, no, probably just the one
• 34:53
  time the dude was not good. Rex Grossman feels bad even
• 34:59
  working this out career stats. I just feel like if he had shown
• 35:06
  up, see that's a player you should be an overrated or
• 35:09
  underrated because that dude, that dude's overrated.
• 35:12
  He Rex personally played one complete season.
• 35:15
  He just happened to be the year they went to the Super Bowl.
• 35:17
  She's a nice wait. Joe Burrow has an NFL record for
• 35:22
  the most times being sacked in the postseason.
• 35:25
  Does he really? Yeah.
• 35:28
  Also, if you were to cut his career now, he already holds a
• 35:34
  career record for passing percentage 68.6% for his career.
• 35:39
  Oh, like his completion percentage?
• 35:41
  Yeah, we see that's thing. As the career goes on, chances
• 35:44
  are it's going to drop off. Yeah, so you have a choice.
• 35:47
  Do you want to go in the record books and miss out on a lot of
• 35:49
  money or keep playing and live to become the.
• 35:51
  Villain All the money, not necessarily all the money that
• 35:54
  comes from career completion percentage.
• 35:55
  He has to just keep up this this this S tier level play for
• 36:00
  forever, that's all. Drew Brees completed more than
• 36:02
  70% of his passes 7 times. Joe Burrows already done it
• 36:05
  twice, so that tells me he's going to do it again.
• 36:08
  So I think that percentage actually is going to go up.
• 36:10
  I have a hard time to screen. I just don't like it coming out
• 36:15
  of my mouth, you know what I'm saying?
• 36:17
  I mean, last year in the 11 games to have played, he threw a
• 36:20
  73% complete percentage 72.9. Yeah, but he's only done that
• 36:24
  once in his career. Joe Burrow is one of two
• 36:26
  quarterbacks in NFL history to complete 70% or more.
• 36:30
  OK, well this year, when 2 is the next quarterback to right
• 36:33
  next ring this guy to win the Super Bowl, he's gonna do it
• 36:35
  again. Dude, Joe.
• 36:37
  Burrow didn't have a. Joe had a phenomenal season.
• 36:41
  Yeah, except his team was terrible.
• 36:43
  OK, Joe had a phenomenal season. Sorry, his team was not
• 36:47
  terrible. His offense was great, his
• 36:49
  defect was terrible. Yeah, but you're right.
• 36:53
  Joe did a really good job last year.
• 36:55
  And Mark Stewart, with his 60 sacks, he's.
• 36:57
  Going to get this season. Don't get.
• 36:59
  The just shy of 5000 passing yards, 43 touchdowns, single
• 37:03
  digit interceptions, which means 9 but going 9 and 8, going nine
• 37:09
  and eight with that. Yikes.
• 37:11
  He's going to be the most let down player.
• 37:13
  Because you can only, you can only affect.
• 37:15
  I was playing superstar mode on Madden trying to, you know,
• 37:18
  catch up on some NFL knowledge and it didn't work.
• 37:22
  Lost a game. We lost a game.
• 37:24
  And by the way, like my guy was torching like this scrambling
• 37:27
  quarterback. I'm like, I don't even have to
• 37:29
  pass. Passing is actually less.
• 37:31
  Efficient than me just. Running out of the pocket and
• 37:33
  running. But we lost a game and it was
• 37:36
  because every time we simmed they scored.
• 37:38
  Every single time they had the ball.
• 37:40
  And one time I just didn't convert or whatever.
• 37:43
  And so we lost the game because the defense could not ever stop
• 37:47
  them. I was very let down.
• 37:48
  I could have just said nobody wins, but trying to have more
• 37:52
  integrity. That might be the most accurate
• 37:54
  that Madden's ever been. Yeah.
• 37:56
  Yeah. Yeah, both Peyton Manning and
• 37:59
  Drew Brees had the same record both those years, 13 and 3.
• 38:03
  I going back to what you said, Joel, I like it.
• 38:06
  I think there's a probably a pretty good possibility that
• 38:09
  offense didn't get worse. So the only problem is, is that
• 38:13
  they expect it now, right? That's the same problem with the
• 38:15
  running backs from from every team is that, oh, you expect it
• 38:19
  now and you expect this to happen.
• 38:21
  Thing is, is that pocket passing quarterbacks don't go out of
• 38:24
  style. You're running quarterbacks or
• 38:26
  scramblers. You can game plan against those.
• 38:28
  You can get game plan so much against your pocket passers.
• 38:32
  There's a reason that Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drewberry, so
• 38:35
  you guys will keep talking about had such long, prolific careers
• 38:38
  is because they stood in the pocket and they just moved the
• 38:40
  ball around. And I don't know what the number
• 38:42
  is, but it's an unreasonable amount of different receivers
• 38:46
  that Tom Brady threw a completion or threw a touchdown
• 38:48
  pass to. It's so many that, yeah, he
• 38:50
  didn't have. He did not care.
• 38:52
  He was just if you're there, I'm you're getting the ball, unless
• 38:55
  you're Rob Krakowski, He was getting the ball a lot.
• 38:58
  But I, I, I think it's, I think Joe Burrow is in the same.
• 39:02
  I'm not saying he's the same caliber player as those three,
• 39:04
  but if he continues in his career path to where he's going
• 39:07
  now, I think he has a possibility because big men only
• 39:10
  won two super. He only won one in the prime of
• 39:12
  his career. And so it's incredibly hard to
• 39:15
  win a Super Bowl, especially when and peg man had to deal
• 39:18
  with this with Tom Brady as his opposition, his AFC opposition
• 39:22
  and Joe Burrow has Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen and Pat
• 39:25
  Mahomes, arguably more tough competition in his own
• 39:29
  conference to even make it the Super Bowl little and win the
• 39:32
  day thing. And so I think it's I I do like
• 39:36
  him. I think he's I think he's a top
• 39:38
  ten quarterback in the NFL for sure.
• 39:40
  I, I do believe I've listened to him as such last week.
• 39:43
  Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow, I don't think he's,
• 39:46
  I don't think he's 10 or 9. He's definitely top 10.
• 39:49
  You had him as 5. Hey, great.
• 39:50
  He's a top five quarterback. See, I know what I said.
• 39:52
  I can remember the words I say. 5 is fives again.
• 39:54
  Top five is a good number and and so and there he is right
• 39:58
  there, right over your shoulder, Joe.
• 40:00
  He's just uninspiring I think because he's not doing the
• 40:03
  things that Pat Mahomes or Lamar Jettison doing or George Allen.
• 40:08
  You don't see Joe Burrow. Literally you've never talked to
• 40:10
  any under 30 NFL fan that's a girl because they are very
• 40:16
  inspired by. Joe Sheisty, OH.
• 40:19
  God, oh dude. Is it the way that is it the way
• 40:22
  that people were inspired by Tom Brady back in the day?
• 40:25
  Oh yeah, I'll just see a clip on on social media of Joe Pregame
• 40:30
  just walking from the sideline to the locker room and it's
• 40:35
  just, it's just someone filming. He's not doing anything.
• 40:38
  He's just walking and everyone in the comments is like Oh my
• 40:41
  God. I would leave my husband for
• 40:43
  that man in a second. I'm like.
• 40:44
  Yeah, for his. Money.
• 40:46
  You guys know who I'm inspired by is Josh Allen.
• 40:48
  He married Hailee Steinfeld. Dylan, my wife heard me say
• 40:50
  that, but. That's alright, she doesn't
• 40:52
  watch the show. My roommate Austin is in love
• 40:55
  with Hailee Steinfeld and I can't.
• 40:56
  I don't understand it. I don't understand it.
• 41:00
  Like good for him because like that's a bag.
• 41:02
  Like he bagged it. Like he.
• 41:04
  She plays a marvel. Superhero.
• 41:05
  A lot of a lot of people play Marvel superhero.
• 41:08
  At the stage whole Rd. And they're all very good
• 41:11
  looking. Thor, Captain America, Ant Man,
• 41:14
  just Haley's just. Like Mark Ruffalo, pal, not all
• 41:18
  of them are attractive. The Hulk is very good looking.
• 41:21
  Have you seen the muscles on that guy?
• 41:22
  On the Hulk, dude. I I.
• 41:28
  Forgot that guy was jacked. I could not have told you.
• 41:32
  Yeah. OK, we're getting off topic.
• 41:33
  Avery. What's your what's your what's
• 41:35
  your thing? So do your thing.
• 41:39
  I was, I was looking at Barkley and Henry for the rushing record
• 41:44
  because they got real close this past season.
• 41:47
  They did real close. But I don't even think they'll
• 41:50
  get it. I don't think they're going to
• 41:51
  get it. One, because the Madden Curse
• 41:54
  and not because of the Madden curse, but because they're
• 41:56
  running backs and they're going to break because that's what
• 41:59
  running backs do they break. I don't I don't I hate it.
• 42:03
  I wish I wish the running back position had much more longevity
• 42:07
  because it's one of the most exciting positions to watch.
• 42:10
  But like as soon as you get a running back that has like a
• 42:13
  breakout season on like a quarterback or a wide receiver
• 42:16
  where you could say, oh, like he's getting there.
• 42:19
  We've got some good years ahead of us with running backs.
• 42:22
  It's got to be like we have to enjoy this while it lasts
• 42:25
  because it's like going to go away.
• 42:27
  And I just don't think, I think the sheer mass that's on King
• 42:32
  Henry is going to not allow him. I think he's going to have a
• 42:35
  worst. I think both of those guys are
• 42:37
  going to have a significant drop off, not an injury wise.
• 42:41
  And if they have an injury, that's I guess that's still the
• 42:43
  same thing, But I don't think either of them are going to get
• 42:45
  back to where they were. So to answer your question, no
• 42:47
  1S going to break the rushing record but.
• 42:49
  Let me let me say this real quick just to back that up.
• 42:52
  Last time there was back-to-back seasons where there was a 2000
• 42:55
  yard rusher in the NFL was when Barry Sanders did it in 1997 and
• 43:00
  Terrell Davis did it in 1998. Other than that, there's never
• 43:04
  been back-to-back 2000 yard rushing seasons in the history
• 43:08
  of the NFL. Yeah, it'd be really hard to do.
• 43:10
  It's a lot of yards. I just think it's it's a lot
• 43:12
  easier to like get one on the league when it's your first time
• 43:17
  in a specific situation. Like if you're a rookie, you
• 43:20
  know, like Dak and Zeke. I think just the fact that they
• 43:23
  were both new and like hit the ground running and no one had
• 43:26
  good scouting on him or anything.
• 43:28
  But after that, like you're not, you're not like immune from
• 43:32
  like, I don't know, I, I just feel like people are going to
• 43:34
  figure you out and you're going to get you're going to get shut
• 43:36
  down, especially if you're somebody who's on the Madden
• 43:38
  cover jumping over people setting records, winning the
• 43:41
  Super Bowl. Like, dude, people are, you're
• 43:43
  the new chiefs now. Like people are going to come at
• 43:45
  you and make sure you do not, you know, produce be.
• 43:49
  I don't think either of them. I think in fact, I'll even you
• 43:52
  could put this on the spreadsheet.
• 43:53
  I think this was Barclays peak and I don't even think that's
• 43:57
  much of A prediction. I think this was significantly
• 44:00
  his peak. I think.
• 44:01
  I don't think he gets anywhere near this again.
• 44:03
  Madden Curse. Madden Curse proved it right
• 44:05
  there. No, there's running backs.
• 44:07
  It's just a running. It's a running back.
• 44:08
  He's a running back all. Right.
• 44:10
  So Avery, so you're saying that no single season records will be
• 44:14
  broken this year? Not those, not the, not the big
• 44:16
  ones. There's a million records.
• 44:18
  ESPN just doing it like they're the Federal Reserve printing.
• 44:22
  Money. Just look at this record.
• 44:24
  He's the first one to do, you know, 25 plus receptions and you
• 44:28
  know this and that. It's just it's a mess the.
• 44:30
  First player to have 12 catches while wearing this colored
• 44:32
  jersey. Yeah.
• 44:33
  Yeah, yeah, on Thursday, Yeah. No one's breaking the rushing
• 44:39
  record. No one's breaking the passing
• 44:41
  record, but I do like Joel's completion percentage.
• 44:44
  One I, I think, I think Joe's got a pretty good shot at that.
• 44:47
  All right, Well, Will, if you had to pick a single season
• 44:50
  record to be broken, what would you pick?
• 44:51
  I would pick interceptions, and I don't mean like throwing them,
• 44:56
  I mean intercepting them. Isn't that like?
• 44:58
  14 The answer is 14 Yes, and the year was 1952.
• 45:02
  We have not had anything close since 2021 when Trayvon Davis
• 45:06
  did it for Dallas. He only had 11.
• 45:09
  He was 3. Short from time.
• 45:11
  That was a special. And everybody was like, oh, I
• 45:13
  saw one man. I saw one of those in person.
• 45:15
  Oh, that's crazy. I was at.
• 45:17
  I was at AT&T. State, let's let's talk about
• 45:19
  some of our starting quarterbacks in NFL.
• 45:21
  Let's talk about Justin Fields starting in in New York.
• 45:24
  The Jets, let's talk about this. About him throwing pit.
• 45:26
  Let's talk about Joe Flacco, maybe.
• 45:29
  Can you pick it? Maybe.
• 45:30
  Dylan Gabriel, Shidor Sanders. Let's talk about Aaron Rodgers,
• 45:33
  maybe, however one he lasts. And Mason Rudolph for Will
• 45:36
  Howard, Cam Ward, rookie Anthony Richardson, still a starter.
• 45:39
  Geno Smith, although very accurate, is going to have to
• 45:43
  play against the Broncos twice. And they've got an incredible
• 45:47
  secondary. We still have Dak Prescott, who
• 45:50
  does not throw as many interceptions as everybody likes
• 45:52
  to believe, but he does throw a lot.
• 45:55
  Caleb Williams, JJ McCarthy, the unknown, who knows what he's
• 45:58
  going to do as his second year rookie season.
• 46:00
  And then we take NFC South, where we have Michael Pennix,
• 46:04
  Bryce Young and Tyler Shuck as three of the four starting
• 46:08
  quarterbacks in the NFC South. And we've got Brock Purdy, who
• 46:12
  does not have the receivers he had last year.
• 46:14
  We've got Kyler Murray who is arguing getting better every
• 46:17
  single year, but still. But still can't see, can't.
• 46:20
  See over anybody. And then Sam Donald, who as we
• 46:23
  mentioned last week with our literal child we had on at the
• 46:26
  end of last season, was saying he was already starting to see
• 46:28
  ghosts again. If we get ghosts, Sam Darnold,
• 46:32
  it's going to be pick season next year.
• 46:35
  So both Trayvon Diggs and Night Train Lane, they were both and a
• 46:39
  lot of these are set by younger guys, rookies.
• 46:43
  And I think you hit on the head is that the NFL doesn't know
• 46:45
  what to expect. And so the tech started to take
• 46:47
  advantage of these guys. It doesn't work.
• 46:50
  We've got young guys like Travis Hunter going to Jacksonville.
• 46:53
  We've got Johnny Baron going to the Broncos.
• 46:56
  And so they're going to shy away from Pass or Tain and go towards
• 46:58
  Johnny Baron and he's going to be right there to get the ball
• 47:01
  with Johnson in Arizona. We've got some some good young
• 47:06
  corners coming to the league and we've got some bad quarterbacks
• 47:10
  playing. I would not be surprised if we
• 47:13
  had multiple people who were in the 8 plus range for
• 47:17
  interceptions and we had somebody pushing the record this
• 47:20
  year. Again, that was set in 1952.
• 47:23
  I mentioned the 2021 thing, but I'm looking to this list.
• 47:26
  The next closest besides 2021 is when Champ Bailey got 10 in
• 47:30
  2006. You just don't get that many
• 47:33
  interceptions anymore. Double digit interceptions.
• 47:35
  It's like it's like off the charts nowadays.
• 47:38
  So it's the pretty bold prediction here.
• 47:40
  But I given the amount of rookies and just bad quarterback
• 47:45
  play I truly fear we're going to have, I think we have a shot.
• 47:48
  I think we have a shot this year.
• 47:49
  I just love, I love that you started that with interceptions.
• 47:55
  And I don't mean throwing them, I mean catching them.
• 47:57
  And then you go off on just every bad quarterback like this
• 48:01
  guy sucks, this guy even worse. This guy super sucks.
• 48:07
  It's not even going to be because of defensive back play.
• 48:10
  It's going to be. Because of second rate
• 48:12
  quarterbacks out there that shouldn't be out there.
• 48:14
  Yeah, and and and I guess that's not great, but, but if any of
• 48:19
  these starters get hurt, the only team that really has
• 48:22
  formidable backups, you've got Matt Stafford as Jimmy
• 48:25
  Garoppolo. You've got Kyler Murray, who's
• 48:27
  got Kobe Brissette, Matt Jones, who will probably end up being
• 48:30
  the starter in San Francisco once property gets hurt.
• 48:33
  That's what happens when you hit a big contract.
• 48:35
  Bryce Young has Andy Dalton. Dak has Joe Milton, Marcus
• 48:38
  Mariota in Washington. There's not a lot of formidable
• 48:41
  backups. Anthony Richardson has Daniel
• 48:43
  Jones equally as bad. It's not going to be good out
• 48:47
  there if any of these starters get hurt.
• 48:48
  It's not. I don't have high hopes.
• 48:51
  I think that's just for you. I'd be.
• 48:52
  Curious to see if I'd be curious to.
• 48:54
  I don't think it would be anyone player that would get that
• 48:57
  record. I would be curious what the
• 49:00
  record interception. Season in a.
• 49:02
  Season, yeah, that'd be interesting.
• 49:05
  But then again, if it was, you know, 70 years ago where they
• 49:08
  set that record, I'll bet a few guys probably got quite a few
• 49:12
  interceptions. While you're looking that up,
• 49:14
  Will, while you were talking, I thought while you're talking
• 49:17
  about all these young corners who could potentially do it, I
• 49:20
  thought you were going to say your favorite corner who's now a
• 49:23
  chief, Noah Williams. I mean, this is going to be a
• 49:26
  season for players like Noah Williams overthrown balls where
• 49:30
  you just happened to be in the area by accident.
• 49:33
  This is the season for you if you if your player awareness
• 49:37
  rating. Is that like a 5 Bowie Howdy
• 49:40
  sign you up this year? No player awareness 5 kicking
• 49:44
  windows. You just have this like a window
• 49:51
  deep cut. That is a deep cut all.
• 49:53
  Right. So you didn't pick a specific
• 49:55
  player to do it, you just think that someone can do it because.
• 49:58
  The quarterback, I surely think Dragon Baron has a really high
• 50:01
  shot because things are naturally going to fade away
• 50:04
  from Pat certain and so he's just going to get a target a lot
• 50:07
  and he's got the skills and capabilities to do it.
• 50:10
  He's got the ability to be there and to be the player to do it.
• 50:14
  So I I like him a lot. I don't know if he's going to be
• 50:16
  the one to do it, but I it'll be rough.
• 50:19
  The record for most interceptions thrown in a single
• 50:23
  season will never be broken again.
• 50:25
  That is going to be the most unbreakable record, 42 in one
• 50:29
  season. Oh, by a single quarterback.
• 50:31
  Single quarterback. Yeah.
• 50:32
  Who was the coach fired? I don't know.
• 50:37
  Why did you keep letting this guy throw the?
• 50:39
  Ball George Bland Of course you're annoying to turn the
• 50:41
  ball. How many touchdowns?
• 50:44
  I don't know, give me a. Second watching that like. 80.
• 50:49
  What what? What's the acceptable amount of
• 50:50
  touchdowns you have to throw to be able to throw 43?
• 50:54
  It's not 27, that's. The reason I ask, the reason I
• 50:59
  ask is because I'm playing on that Madden game.
• 51:01
  I'm playing it's on a it's on a normal diff, it's on pro
• 51:05
  difficulty. And I'm, I don't know how to
• 51:07
  play the game and I cannot read these coverages and these
• 51:11
  linebackers are out of this world athletic.
• 51:15
  And I like can't I have to like they have to do a cross route.
• 51:18
  But my point is my percentage has to be like 40 percent, 35%,
• 51:24
  but I'll also throw like 6 touchdowns a game, just volume,
• 51:28
  volume. And so I wonder like when
• 51:30
  they're like this guy has one of the worst percentages in the
• 51:33
  league and I'm like, dude, we are crushing it.
• 51:35
  So I just wonder like how many, how many touchdowns you have to
• 51:38
  throw to be able to get away with 43 let.
• 51:40
  Me tell you it had nothing to do with how many touchdowns he
• 51:43
  threw. He threw 42 interceptions that
• 51:46
  year. Their record was a 13 and three.
• 51:49
  No, that's too many. That's too many games.
• 51:51
  That's too many games 11 and 3. Excuse me.
• 51:53
  First in the AFL, E how everybody else is worse.
• 51:57
  Apparently you don't know how to capitalize on a turnover.
• 51:59
  No one could. Capitalize off the turn.
• 52:01
  They were. They had 9 turnovers in one
• 52:04
  game. Now granted they lost that game,
• 52:06
  but a different game. They had 7 turnovers and won
• 52:09
  that game. Did George Blanda threw over 20
• 52:11
  interceptions 8 times in his career?
• 52:13
  That is so bad. 20 interceptions in a game.
• 52:18
  No, No 8 times. In a season he threw, he threw
• 52:23
  over 20 interceptions in a season 8 different times.
• 52:26
  And they lost in his career. The Houston lawyers lost the
• 52:29
  Super Bowl that year 20 to 17, probably because he threw 40
• 52:32
  interceptions. He threw five.
• 52:34
  Well, they had five turnovers that game.
• 52:36
  That's so bad. 11 and three the record will ever be. 2800
• 52:40
  passing yards. Actually, you know someone who
• 52:43
  could break that record. James famous Jamus because he
• 52:46
  would just. If he's the starter for the
• 52:47
  giant. Seat, he would just smooth talk
• 52:49
  his way back into the game and that he would just do.
• 52:51
  It if he was on Florida State this past year, he would have
• 52:54
  broken that record. Because who were they?
• 52:58
  Going to take him out for already like losing every game.
• 53:02
  All right, all right, we got to wrap it up.
• 53:04
  All right, thanks for tuning into this episode of Three Guys
• 53:07
  6 Balls NFL Podcast. Stay tuned for more NFL talk
• 53:10
  next week. We'll be back.
• 53:12
  And as always, don't forget to keep your balls played with.
• 53:15
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• 53:18
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