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MINI SCROLL: Kylie Jenner "dehumanised" by haters, Taylor Swift responds to Dave Grohl, Paris PoopTok + MTV News removes decades of music history · Mini Scroll

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  Hi everyone, welcome to Mini Scroll, the daily Internet
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  culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories from social
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  media, the creator economy and the digital space.
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  Every Monday through Thursday. I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
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  the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
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  Welcome back to Mini Scroll, everyone.
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  Today is officially at my one year of no alcohol.
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  So that is what's going on with me today.
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  I think I might do a post on my social media to talk about like
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  what that experience has been like for me, what I've learned,
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  you know, all of that. I see that kind of content a lot
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  and I really like watching it. So I might do something like
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  that in the next couple of weeks.
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  But yes, one year alcohol free. And I know you guys have been on
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  this journey with me because when I decided to stop drinking
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  alcohol last year, I talked about it on the podcast with
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  Jordy. And I also like in that decision
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  inspired her to go sober for a few months here and there over
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  the past year. And I actually have quite a few
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  friends who have done sober stints here and there as well,
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  kind of not because I did it, but you know, like having a
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  friend and watching a friend, I think can navigate life and
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  social situations and big celebration events and things
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  like that. Sober, I think kind of just
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  encourages you to realize that you can do it too.
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  I definitely have those people in my life where I was like, you
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  know, what if they're still like living their life and having the
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  best time and they're not doing it with alcohol, Like I can do
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  that too. So I woke up this morning and I
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  was driving to work listening to Charli XCX's BRAT obviously
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  extended version because I needed like 365 and all of those
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  songs. And I was like, this is just so
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  funny that I'm listening to literally like the party anthem
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  album on my one year sober. Just like driving to work,
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  having the best time. Anyways, let's just get into the
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  stories for today. I just wanted to share that with
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  you guys 'cause I'm obviously proud of it.
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  It feels like a year has gone by so fast.
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  I actually can't believe it. And you know, the universe
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  wanted me to be alcohol free for these last six months of that is
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  for sure. And thankfully I was OK.
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  So the 1st way that I wanted to talk about, I wanted to talk
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  about all the discourse about Kylie Jenner breaking down over
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  the hurtful comments about her face.
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  I know that this happened like last week.
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  I think it was the most recent episode of the Kardashians and
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  it aired a few days ago, but the discourse online has not
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  stopped. So I wanted to share, I guess,
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  my opinion on this, my two cents on this and talk about like
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  what's happening On the latest episode of The Kardashians,
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  Kylie opened up to Kendall about how hard it is to deal with
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  comments about her face. As we might remember, earlier
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  this year, Kylie faced a huge amount of criticism when she
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  wore very little makeup to Paris.
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  I think it was Paris like au couture Fashion Week and people
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  said she looked super old. They said that it looks like she
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  had filler migrating in her cheeks and around her face.
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  They basically just set her cheeks under her eyes and stuff
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  looked really like lumpy. And they were chalking that up
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  to getting too much work done too early.
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  So she said to Kendall, quote, it's like a miracle that I still
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  have confidence and I can look in the mirror and think that I'm
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  pretty. I'm wearing too much makeup and
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  it's like you're wearing too much makeup.
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  Then I go and I don't wear a lot of makeup and someone catches me
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  in a weird light. And then Kendall said we're
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  dehumanized. They don't think that there's
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  any rules with us. Whereas like if you talk to that
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  same way that you do about us, about other women, people would
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  come to their defense all day long.
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  But for some reason with us, it's like they don't think we
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  have any feelings. OK, so I think there's a few
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  things going on here. The Kardashians and just women
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  in the spotlight in general are absolutely picked apart,
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  ridiculed judge for their appearance.
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  And I just, I could not imagine what that would feel like to be
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  at that level, at that scale. And I agree with Kendall when
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  she says we're dehumanized. Like they are dehumanized and
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  people feel like they are. The Kardashian women are fair
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  game to talk anything and everything about, but they are
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  dehumanized because they have to remain almost like otherworldly
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  to maintain their brand. Their personal brands, like the
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  brand that they sell to us as consumers is being otherworldly
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  hot, you know, being super rich, having this crazy luxurious
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  aesthetic, this lifestyle, That's what they're selling
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  their consumers. So if they don't maintain that
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  kind of dehumanized element to them, then they risk us not
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  purchasing their products. Like their billion dollar empire
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  is quite literally built on the fact that they are living a
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  lifestyle which includes how they look that 99.9% of the
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  world could never achieve. But they're selling us services
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  and products and businesses that tell us that if we just do these
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  things, if we just buy Skims, if we just buy Kylie makeup, if we
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  just buy Lemmy gummies, if we just buy Good American, if we
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  just watch their show, if we just read Kris Jenner's book,
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  then we too could be like them. We too could be otherworldly.
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  However, I think with the Kardashians, what's frustrating
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  for us as just fans, viewers, consumers, whether you love them
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  or you hate them, they will never fully, I think, understand
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  that. I think they won't acknowledge
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  it because they don't fully understand it.
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  I don't think that they realize how damaging they have been to
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  the beauty standard, to the zeitgeist in general.
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  It's not like as a family, they're sitting down and saying
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  like, OK, what insecurity can we give little girls today?
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  And then we can sell them a product to tell them that this
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  will get rid of that insecurity. Like they're not doing that.
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  So I think that's why it's it's all so much more like
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  subversive. So I think that's why they will
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  never be fully conscious of the impact that they have.
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  But that being said, I do think that there is also this kind of
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  false narrative that I've seen a lot, especially around this
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  particular clip, that the Kardashians seemed to like
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  invent unrealistic beauty standards.
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  And that's just simply untrue. I talked about this in one of my
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  very first deep dives of the year about like the Gen.
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  Z looking old discourse. And I talked about how
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  unrealistic beauty standards existed in magazines, media,
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  tabloid culture for decades before the Kardashians came on
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  the scene. But I think because the
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  Kardashians came on the scene at the same time as social media
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  started to explode, obviously the impact that anyone who is
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  pushing an unrealistic beauty standard has now is so much
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  greater than before social media.
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  And therefore, I think there's a lot of like miss, not
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  miscommunication, not and not necessarily like misinformation
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  or disinformation, but just like a misunderstanding, I suppose,
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  about what life was like or culture was like before social
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  media and before the Kardashians.
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  Because one of the anecdotes that I have shared on this
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  podcast, I think more than once, is that when I was like 9/10/11,
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  I mean, I've always been so into media, celebrities, beauty, all
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  of that. I would buy like every tween
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  magazine. I would buy People magazine,
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  like everything. And you know, when I was like 10
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  and 11 was when Angelina Jolie. Her face was like the blueprint.
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  It was like the beauty standard. Her face is quite literally
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  perfect. That is the face that the
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  Kardashians are trying to achieve, right?
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  Like that is the face that was the face that was like really
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  pedestaled and pushed to us. So when I was like 10 and 11, I
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  wanted to get lip filler. This was before Kylie Jenner was
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  maybe even born. I mean, she's probably like 5.
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  I'm 32 now. So this was well before she had
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  lip filler. There's like this weird
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  narrative that Kylie Jenner invented lip filler that the
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  Kardashians invented on realistic beauty standards.
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  And this is not me discrediting or discounting the harm that
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  they have done. But I think it is also just the
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  the discourse around this particular clip, like this scene
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  from the Kardashians has been like, well, Kylie did this to
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  herself. You know, she was doing lip
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  fillers and lying about it. And all the little girls now
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  want lip fillers. I wanted lip fillers when I was
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  11 because of what tabloid culture was telling me, because
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  of what magazines were telling me.
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  Two things can be true. The Kardashians can be so
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  harmful and damaging to the beauty standard and young girl
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  self esteem while also being the victims of it themselves because
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  they did not invent this. This is not something that they
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  personally created and they get a lot of, I think, in my
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  opinion, my opinion, unnecessary or misdirected Flack for like
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  people just putting all of the blame on them.
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  It's easy for us to just look at the Kardashians and say all of
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  the problems with like the beauty standard and women's self
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  esteem, all of that can be placed on them.
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  That is just not the case. But, you know, I think we also
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  need to look at not just them being the victims of the
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  industry and of, you know, beauty, unrealistic beauty
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  standards themselves, but also the victims of Kris Jenner, like
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  Kylie and Kendall, especially. They were thrust or forced into
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  this from being children. Kylie had the media scrutinizing
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  her face from the time she was like 7 or whenever she first
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  went on the Kardashian. She was like a child and people
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  were making fun of her lips. I think it's fine not to have
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  sympathy for them. I get it.
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  We don't need to have sympathy for billionaires.
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  And I think these scenes that we have seen where Kylie's breaking
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  down like this. And there was another scene
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  where Kylie was talking about, like how they need to talk about
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  the unrealistic beauty standards that they set.
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  This is them trying, in my opinion, to be really relatable.
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  I think we're seeing that celebrities are becoming much
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  more authentic, sharing much more of themselves with younger
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  audiences if they want to maintain relevancy.
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  And I think this is the Kardashians way of doing that,
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  of like sharing these very staged scenes of trying to
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  almost humanize them for us so that we stay on board with them.
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  Anyways, the next story that I have for you guys.
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  So Taylor Swift has seemingly responded to the dig made by Foo
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  Fighters leading man. So over the weekend, Foo
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  Fighters lead Dave Grohl made a dig at Taylor at their show,
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  saying that she doesn't play live for her entire concerts.
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  He said, quote, so we like to call our tour the errors tour.
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  Sorry, errors, errors, errors, errors, you know, make a
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  mistake. I feel like that's going to get
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  confusing. We've had more than a few errors
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  and more than a few fucking eras as well.
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  Just a couple. That's because we actually play
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  live. What?
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  OK, rude. So last night, Taylor at the
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  Eras Tour defended her band against this quip.
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  She said. What you just did is an
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  unforgettable moment in not just my life, but every single one of
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  our crew, the band that's going to be playing live for you for 3
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  1/2 hours tonight, they deserve this so much and so does every
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  one of my fellow performers. And you just gave that to us so
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  generously. It will never forget.
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  It was very like casual. But her saying we're going to
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  play live to you for 3 1/2 hours.
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  My band will play live. You know, I do think it was her
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  coming to their defense. And I just want to say like, it
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  is obviously strategic. Taylor not singing for the
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  entire 3 1/2 hours of every airs tour.
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  Like think about how many concerts she is doing.
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  She is doing a three and a half hour concert back-to-back to
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  back-to-back for months on end. And she's been doing this now
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  for like almost two years. So like obviously she is going
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  to need to be strategic about when she lip syncs in her
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  concert and when she can actually sing.
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  I don't think that's like some controversial thing.
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  I think it's very well understood and a respected
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  decision. It's it's a necessary decision.
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  So that's also me just coming to another billionaire's defense on
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  this day. OK, wait, before I get into my
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  final story, the girls keep telling me like Alex and
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  Annabelle, who work for me, keep telling me I need to cover the
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  Paris poo like saga that's going on on Tiktok.
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  And I don't have any notes on it.
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  But I will give you guys like a really high level recap.
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  I'm not on this side of Tiktok, but essentially what is
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  happening? So Paris is hosting the
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  Olympics. They built an Olympic sized
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  swimming pool for the water sports.
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  And the swimming pool that they built was just a little bit too
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  small apparently. So they spent all this money
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  building it. It was just not quite Olympic
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  size. I don't even know how you fuck
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  that up. But they can't use it.
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  So they're like, that's OK, we'll do swimming and whatever
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  else in the CN, which is like the river that goes through
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  Paris. That river, it's been illegal to
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  swim in that river for a very long time because it is so
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  contaminated. It is filled with like sewage
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  and garbage and it's so disgusting.
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  So they've spent like billions of dollars allegedly to clean
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  out the CN. They cleaned it out and it's
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  still brown. So then there was like this
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  website that went up where people that live in Paris were
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  saying like, we're going to shit in the CN to like basically say
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  fuck you to the government for spending all of this taxpayer
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  money on, you know, building a swimming pool that wasn't quite
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  right. And then now cleaning out this
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  river that's not even fucking clean.
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  We're going to have all these. I mean, of course they don't
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  want like their city overrun with tourists.
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  Anyways. During the Olympics, it was like
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  this protest, like this shitting protest.
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  So because of this whole drama, then the Prime Minister was
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  like, I'll swim in the CN to, you know, prove that it's clean
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  enough. And then of course, everybody
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  just shitting it, I guess. So now they're like, never mind,
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  we're actually going to postpone me swimming in the CN.
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  So now everybody's making jokes on TikTok about how like the
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  actual Olympic medal is who survives after swimming in the
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  CN because they're like, this is so contaminated, like these,
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  everyone is going to get sick. So that's what's going on on
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  Paris, Poop Talk, Annabelle and Alex.
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  Now you can stop asking me to cover it, OK?
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  Anyways, it's pretty wild. And it's actually kind of funny,
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  but like, also disgusting and sad, OK.
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  And the last story that I have for you guys is that MTV News
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  has archived all of its website content.
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  So last year, MTV News shuttered amid financial struggles.
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  Surprise, surprise, every publisher has been going through
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  shit like that. But today, they have officially
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  archived over 2 decades worth of content.
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  So that is music history, pop culture history.
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  Think about all the bylines that these journalists now have just
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  lost. It's like, you know, years
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  possibly for some of them of their work that they can no
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  longer access. I'll read some tweets, Patrick
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  Hoskin, the former music editor at MTV News, wrote.
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  So mtvnews.com no longer exists. Eight years of my life are gone
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  without a trace, all because it didn't fit some executives
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  bottom lines. Infuriating is too small a word,
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  Crystal Bell, who is now culture editor at Mashable and did work
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  as entertainment director of MTV News, wrote.
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  Sickening to see the entire MTV News archive wiped from the
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  Internet. Decades of music history gone,
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  including some very early K pop stories, and then Rolling Stone
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  senior writer Brian Hyatt wrote. This is disgraceful.
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  They've completely wiped the MTV News archive.
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  Decades of pop culture history research material gone and why?
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  And I wanted to cover this because this is a in ongoing
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  discussion I am seeing online where people are talking about
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  how the Internet, like quite literally is just not forever.
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  There was such a narrative, you know, when we were younger, our
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  parents would be like, don't post anything that you wouldn't
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  want to be kind of attached to you for the rest of your life
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  online. And this is one of so many
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  instances where full websites, social media platforms.
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  I talked about this in my Myspace episode, but like,
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  Myspace is wiped clean. You can't find anything from
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  Myspace, from I think before 2016, something like that,
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  because there's too much content out there.
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  There's no way to, like, properly archive it.
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  And we are at risk of losing like massive amounts of
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  information in this whole, like, generation.
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  Like in this kind of boom that we're experiencing in the last
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  probably 10-15 years, there are just decades wiped off the
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  Internet constantly. So that's very sad and scary on
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  one hand. On the other hand, it's good
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  news for all of our drunk Facebook pics from when we were
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  like 15. No, but for real, it's actually
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  really, really wild. I know there are of course lots
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  of journalists talking about this kind of thing, but it's a
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  very interesting topic. Let me know actually if you guys
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  want me to do a deep dive into this.
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  I think that's a very interesting side of the Internet
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  right now that maybe is not as commonly understood or known if
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  you're not like really deep in the weeds, but nothing is
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  forever on the Internet is what we are learning.
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  Anyways guys, that's it for today.
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  Thank you so much for listening to Mini Scroll.
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  It helps me grow. It helps me keep going.
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  I will have let the girls game tomorrow and then be back for
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  Mini Scroll on Thursday. OK, bye.