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Credlin | 10 December · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program, huge show of here tonight.
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  Speaker 2: He's what's coming up on Kredline. A massive response to
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  Speaker 2: the Opposition leader last night telling me here on the
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  Speaker 2: show that if elected Prime Minister, he'll only stand with
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  Speaker 2: the Australian flag. Now it's outraged the left, but everyday
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  Speaker 2: Australians are with him. More on that in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezy finally turns up too at the Endas Israel
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  Speaker 2: Synagogue in Melbourne, but the visit's chaotic, it's four days
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  Speaker 2: too late and there's still a lot of media focus
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  Speaker 2: on the PM's weekend tennis batch in Perth. On Thursday morning,
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  Speaker 2: the verdict will be handed down in the more redeeming
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  Speaker 2: John Pezuto defamation case. But in breaking news this afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: evidence of a fifty thousand dollar payment to settle cases
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  Speaker 2: involving PURSUITO and two other women's come to light. More
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  Speaker 2: on that coming up and no surprises. Today had the
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  Speaker 2: final meeting of the YEARBA board electing to keep cash
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  Speaker 2: rate on hold. So what's the chance of a rake
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  Speaker 2: cut early next year? Or sadly I want to hold
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  Speaker 2: your breath.
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  Speaker 3: The Board needs to be confident that inflation is moving
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  Speaker 3: sustainably towards the target, and for this to occur, we
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  Speaker 3: need to see more progress on underlying inflation coming down.
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  Speaker 2: We want a ratcut, don't we. I'll get into that
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  Speaker 2: with ros Greenwood coming up, but first you heard it
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  Speaker 2: first here on the show last night. Peter Dutton believes
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  Speaker 2: we are one country under one flag, not many nations
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  Speaker 2: with three flags, and if he becomes Prime ministers, we'll
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  Speaker 2: revert to flying just one flag, he says, as every
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  Speaker 2: other country does. He'll stand in front of one flag,
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  Speaker 2: our national flag, this one.
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  Speaker 4: We are dividing our country unnecessarily. Now we should have
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  Speaker 4: respect for the Indigenous flag and the Torres straight hol
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  Speaker 4: Into flag, but they are not our national flags.
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  Speaker 2: Thank God for that, I say. I know I am
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  Speaker 2: applaud him for taking that stand, as I know you
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  Speaker 2: do too. But we're not alone here. Melbourne radio host
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  Speaker 2: Tom Elliott Well, he called it today a master stroke.
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  Speaker 5: Peter Dutton has just come up with an idea and
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a master stroke in Australian politics. He
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  Speaker 5: said that if he is elected Prime Minister, he will
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  Speaker 5: stand in front of one flag only, and that flag
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  Speaker 5: will be the Australian flag.
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  Speaker 2: And if you haven't look at the comments under newspaper
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  Speaker 2: reports from last night's interview, there's only in Australia that's
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  Speaker 2: not in support. And just to show you how motivated
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  Speaker 2: people are by Dutton's stand on the flag, the Herald
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  Speaker 2: Sun story alone has around two thousand comments. As my
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  Speaker 2: regular viewers and listeners would know, I think that it's
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  Speaker 2: fair enough to fly the Aboriginal flag alongside our national
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  Speaker 2: flag on special occasions relevant to Indigenous people, say night
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  Speaker 2: Week for instance. But the idea that the flag of
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  Speaker 2: some of us should fly coequally with a flag of
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  Speaker 2: all of us all the time, well that's a travesty.
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  Speaker 2: Yet again, it's suggesting that there are first class and
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  Speaker 2: second class Australians, those whose ancestry extends back many thousands
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  Speaker 2: of years, those whose ancestry in this country goes back
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  Speaker 2: no further than seventeen eighty eight. Having multiple flags implies
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  Speaker 2: ad based on ancestry and how long your relatives have
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  Speaker 2: been in this country. There are two classes of Australians.
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  Speaker 2: Aboriginal people who get their minority flags flown alongside the
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  Speaker 2: national flag and everyone else who are routinely demeaned, not
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  Speaker 2: just by the sidelining of our national flag, but being
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  Speaker 2: constantly welcomed to our own country, as if this land
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  Speaker 2: belongs to some of us more than all of us.
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  Speaker 2: When asked whether he would change his current media conference
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  Speaker 2: practice of standing up before the Australian flag only and
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  Speaker 2: said asking people to identify with different flags is confusing.
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  Speaker 4: We are a country united under one flag and if
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  Speaker 4: we're asking people to identify with different flags, not where
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  Speaker 4: the country does that.
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  Speaker 2: The opposition leader went on to say we should value
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  Speaker 2: and respect our heritage, including that we are a great
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  Speaker 2: country in party says because of migration, and we.
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  Speaker 4: Should also speak a lot more about our migrant story,
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  Speaker 4: the incredible story of people who came here, particularly in
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  Speaker 4: the post Second World War period, with nothing and have
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  Speaker 4: worked hard as tradees, as farmers, and they've educated their children.
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  Speaker 4: The next generation's done incredibly well. They've done well themselves.
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  Speaker 4: We're a great country today because of that. We don't
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  Speaker 4: talk anything of that part of.
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  Speaker 2: Our history again, amen to that. As my old boss
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  Speaker 2: Tony Abbott used to say, Australia has got an indigenous heritage,
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  Speaker 2: a British foundation and an immigrant character, that we all
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  Speaker 2: have had a part to play in building the magnificent
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  Speaker 2: country of modern Australia, and that our contributions, like our people,
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  Speaker 2: should always be regarded as equal. Routinely including Aboriginal flags
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  Speaker 2: at every official occasion just makes every settler, every descendant
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  Speaker 2: of settlers, feel like we are only permitted here on sufferance.
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  Speaker 4: The fact is that we should stand up for who
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  Speaker 4: we are, for our values, what we believe in. We
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  Speaker 4: are united as a country when we gather under one flag.
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  Speaker 2: Don't accuse the Prime Minister of walking both sides of
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  Speaker 2: the street on this issue, especially coupled with his ambivalence
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  Speaker 2: over Australia Day.
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  Speaker 4: The Primati is not out there calling out Wilworths and
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  Speaker 4: not out there calling the pub so he don't want
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  Speaker 4: to celebrate Australiaay, etc. Because he wants to be all
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  Speaker 4: things to war people, which is why people rightly perceive
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  Speaker 4: him as being the weakest Prime minister that we've had
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  Speaker 4: in our countries history.
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  Speaker 2: And he's right in refusing to devalue our beautiful national flag.
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  Speaker 2: Dutton's not just taking a stand against the current Prime minister,
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  Speaker 2: He's also differentiating himself from his predecessor, Scot Morrison, who
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  Speaker 2: said that finding culture wars would not create a single job.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't going to have a bar of it, said Morrison. Well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's true, but creating jobs is not all that
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  Speaker 2: Prime ministers should worry about. Culture matters. Culture matters we've
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  Speaker 2: seen that in evidence very much in this country since
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  Speaker 2: the impact of October seven started to play out on
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  Speaker 2: the streets of Australia. Now on this I am with Dutton.
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  Speaker 2: National pride matters and will never retain it. If our
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  Speaker 2: prime ministers are embarrassed about our flag or our history,
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  Speaker 2: bring on the election. Look now, in some breaking years,
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  Speaker 2: there's a story that's just been put up on this
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  Speaker 2: Guynes website, posted online too at The Australian Newspaper by
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  Speaker 2: legal affairs reporter Ellie Dudley. In her exclusive she reveals
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  Speaker 2: that Liberal leader in Victoria, John Pizzuto, paid fifty thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars to cover the legal bills of two women who
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  Speaker 2: sued him for defamation after he suggested they were linked
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  Speaker 2: to neo Nazis when they attended the Let Women Speak
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  Speaker 2: rally alongside now expelled Liberal MP moy Radeemi As Dudley writes,
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  Speaker 2: mister Pizzuto kept the existence of this fifty thousand dollar
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  Speaker 2: payment out of his deed of settlement with the two women,
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  Speaker 2: UK based women's rights activists, Kelly J Keen and an
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  Speaker 2: Australian woman, Angela Jones. Now, up until now, Perzuto has
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  Speaker 2: previously claimed he made a small contribution to costs to
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  Speaker 2: settle the matter, but The Australian Sky News Australia can
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  Speaker 2: reveal his contribution covered the entire fifty thousand dollars bill
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  Speaker 2: invoice to the clients on a small contribution. What's also
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  Speaker 2: very interesting here is that the payment was made by
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  Speaker 2: someone on John Persuto's behalf. Now why I'll come back
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  Speaker 2: to that in a moment. So who paid this money? Well,
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  Speaker 2: As Dudley writes in private correspondence obtained by The Australian
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  Speaker 2: and Sky News Australia, she reveals at Xavier Boffer transferred
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  Speaker 2: the payment on mister Persuto's behalf to pay legal fees
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  Speaker 2: charged by the solicitor Katharine Deeves and Barrister Bridy Nolet.
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  Speaker 2: She goes on mister Boffer, who acts as an informal
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  Speaker 2: advisor to mister Perzuto and heads up legal think tank,
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  Speaker 2: the Samuel Griffith Society, made the payment in three separate
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  Speaker 2: installments twenty thousand dollars, twenty thousand dollars and ten thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars just prior to mister Perzzuto signing the deeds of
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  Speaker 2: settlement with Jones and Keen in May this year. Now,
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  Speaker 2: up until now, the exact terms of the settlement and
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  Speaker 2: the negotiations between the parties or they've been kept secret
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  Speaker 2: and when asked in the past, the Liberal leader dodged
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  Speaker 2: direct questions. Now it's been a difficult eighteen months or
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  Speaker 2: so for John Berzuto. In addition to the law suit
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  Speaker 2: brought by his former colleague Liberal MP Warredeemi Jones and
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  Speaker 2: Keene alleged mister Berzuto had to fame them as well
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  Speaker 2: by suggesting they were tired of far right extremist groups
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  Speaker 2: and Nazi ideologies. Both Keen and Jones engaged former Liberal
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  Speaker 2: candidate Catherine Deeves and her firm Alexander Rashidi Lawyers to
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  Speaker 2: act for them in separate cases filed in the Federal Court,
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  Speaker 2: and Deves subsequently then briefed Sydney based barrister Bridy Nolan.
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  Speaker 2: Now Here is what's also interesting. In Earie Dudley's exclusive
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  Speaker 2: in settling this case, John Perzudo apologized for his comments
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  Speaker 2: against Keen and Jones and in the legal deed of
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  Speaker 2: settlements this is the agreement. Well, it makes no of
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  Speaker 2: this fifty thousand dollars payment. Indeed, the settlement document contains
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  Speaker 2: specific clauses at state this deed is the uni quote
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  Speaker 2: the entire agreement between the parties and that there was
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  Speaker 2: no obligation for a monetary sum to be paid by
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  Speaker 2: mister Perzuto to Miss Jones or Miss Keene under the deed.
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  Speaker 2: But here's where it gets interesting because despite the deeds
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  Speaker 2: specifically ruling out any payment from Perzuto to the woman
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  Speaker 2: women alongside the apology, on the sixteenth of May, Barrister
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  Speaker 2: writing Nolan email John Persuto's lawyers requesting receipt of the
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  Speaker 2: payment of fifty thousand dollars because she said in correspondence
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  Speaker 2: obtained by Dudley this was not provided in the deed
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  Speaker 2: and the contractual basis was always just our emails and
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  Speaker 2: as we know, the fifty thousand dollars, well it was
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  Speaker 2: paid because emails obtained by the Australian Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: So the money was transferred by mister Boffer to the
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  Speaker 2: Alexander Rasheti lawyers and here are the law firms trust
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  Speaker 2: account receipts. Now one day after confirming the fifty thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollar payment, on the seventeenth of May, John Pizzuto told
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  Speaker 2: reporters in Melbourne that he had paid the legal costs
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  Speaker 2: as part of the settlement, but he downplayed the sum involved.
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  Speaker 2: He called it a small contribution, and he said that
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  Speaker 2: he had not paid damages. He said, in the interests
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  Speaker 2: of the parties, I won't be going into how much
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  Speaker 2: was paid, but I did make a contribution to costs,
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  Speaker 2: he said at the time. But that's normal. Now here's
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  Speaker 2: something else interesting with his whole talk of until now
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  Speaker 2: secret payments. The two women at the center of this
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  Speaker 2: legal case, Angela Jones and Kelly J. Keen Well, they
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  Speaker 2: now claim they are unaware of the existence of this
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  Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollar payment. Indeed, they've never seen a dollar
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  Speaker 2: from it. Their lawyers say this money was used to
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  Speaker 2: pay their legal bills. Well Keenan Jones Well, they now
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  Speaker 2: want to know why they were not told about this
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  Speaker 2: money by Deeves and why it was not included in
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  Speaker 2: their deeds of settlement. Both women have now asked the
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales Office of Legal Services Commissioner to review
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  Speaker 2: the payments, claiming they did not receive a clear answer
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  Speaker 2: from Catherine Deeves as to why the payment was not
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  Speaker 2: included in the deed of settlement. As Ali Dudley writes
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  Speaker 2: the Australian Sky News Australia are not suggesting any impropriety
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  Speaker 2: or wrongdoing, just that the Commissioner has been asked to
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  Speaker 2: review the arrangement. Mister Berzuto says, and I quote, all
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  Speaker 2: appropriate disclosures have been made because Deves, says Dudley did
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  Speaker 2: not wish to comment, and mister Ashidi well, he did
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  Speaker 2: not respond to a request to comment in his official
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  Speaker 2: disclosures to the Victorian Parliament as required by every MP.
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  Speaker 2: John Perzzuto has noted a donation from Xavier Boffer, but
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  Speaker 2: the specific amount was not disclosed. Now I'd like to
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  Speaker 2: know now where Perzuto's former staffer got the fifty thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars to help settle this lawsuit on behalf of his
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  Speaker 2: old boss, because I know the former staffer and unless
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  Speaker 2: Xavier Boffer has paid a whole lot more than I
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  Speaker 2: was as a staffer. I very much doubt that fifty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars came from his picky bank. And if other
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  Speaker 2: people passed money to Boffer to pay a legal debt
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  Speaker 2: on behalf of John Berzuto, that in the interests of transparency,
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  Speaker 2: the names of those donors should be made public. Related
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  Speaker 2: in part to all of this, On Thursday morning in
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  Speaker 2: the Federal Court, Justice O'Callahan will deliver his judgment on
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  Speaker 2: the Deeming v. Persudo defamation case. Now, I'm sure a
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  Speaker 2: lot of liberals they're going to tune in and listen
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  Speaker 2: to Justice O'Callahan and with interest. Interesting, that's got a
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  Speaker 2: camin now for the headlines Sky on his political reporter
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  Speaker 2: cam Redden, Good evening.
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  Speaker 6: After five days, the Prime Minister has visited the Adashs
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  Speaker 6: Synagogue in Melbourne, the site of last week's terror attack
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  Speaker 6: that was fueled by any Semitism and it.
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  Speaker 7: Was stoked by hatred.
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  Speaker 6: The visit was at times chaotic. Big Bread Anthony Albanesi
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  Speaker 6: facing up to criticism it took him too long to
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  Speaker 6: see the damage for himself.
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  Speaker 5: What are you doing for us?
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  Speaker 6: And despite Israel's Prime minister linking the Synagogue attack to
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  Speaker 6: Labour's stance at the UN, the Foreign Minister is standing firm.
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  Speaker 7: It is not anti Semitic to expect that Israel should
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  Speaker 7: comply with international law that applies to all countries.
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  Speaker 6: The Reserve Bank has met for the final time in
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  Speaker 6: twenty twenty four and has again kept interest rates on whole.
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  Speaker 3: The board needs to be confident that inflation is moving
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  Speaker 3: sustainably towards the target, and for this to occur we
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  Speaker 3: need to see more progress on underlying inflation coming down.
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  Speaker 6: The RBA didn't consider delivering a rate cut for Christmas.
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  Speaker 6: It will have at least one, but more likely two
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  Speaker 6: chances next year before the federal election.
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  Speaker 4: We know the economy is soft, We know that people
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  Speaker 4: are under substantial pressure.
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  Speaker 1: This economy is sick and a doctor of spin is
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  Speaker 1: not going to fix it.
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  Speaker 6: Liberal front bench of Paul Fletcher has announced his retirement
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  Speaker 6: from politics out of the next election. His seat of
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  Speaker 6: Bradfield in Sydney's North is a key target for a
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  Speaker 6: Teal independent.
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  Speaker 2: If you think we've had chaos the last two and
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  Speaker 2: a half years, a Labor Teal's Green's minority government will
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  Speaker 2: be even worse.
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  Speaker 8: As an independent, I will always put people above parties.
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  Speaker 6: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: All right to get across those stories and other headlines
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  Speaker 2: making news today. I'm joined now for the last time
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  Speaker 2: for the Year's Guiney's Political editor Andrew Clanelle. Great to
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  Speaker 2: have your companies always. We just saw that footage Andrew
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne at the PM finally making it to the
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  Speaker 2: synagogue in RiPP and Lee, four days after, of course,
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  Speaker 2: that terror attack on Friday. It follows criticism that Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanezei played tennis at a very prestigious club in wa
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  Speaker 2: and then had drinks with labor donors in hours after
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  Speaker 2: the attack. I'll say it again. You know he's got
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  Speaker 2: a plane at his disposal. I think he should have
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  Speaker 2: been there on Friday. What do you make of the
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  Speaker 2: optic xandraw, Well.
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  Speaker 9: The optics aren't great. I mean, I know for a
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  Speaker 9: fact Albanezi and Tony Burke were working on this matter
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  Speaker 9: over the weekend. But like you say, there's no reason
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  Speaker 9: he couldn't. He has got a plane, he could have
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  Speaker 9: flown there on Friday, or at the very least he
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  Speaker 9: should have done a stand up on Saturday, which he
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  Speaker 9: didn't do about the issue particularly after the Netanyahu comments
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  Speaker 9: would have taken about fifteen minutes, and especially after you're
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  Speaker 9: visiting a synagogue anyway, try which he did on the
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  Speaker 9: Satnurday morning before, and that takes a bit of heat
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  Speaker 9: out of the tennis thing. So look, I mean people
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  Speaker 9: were saying it's a Hawaii, It's not a Hawaii. I
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  Speaker 9: mean Scott Morrison didn't tell anyone where he was going.
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  Speaker 9: Australia was burning, and he went on holidays and people
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  Speaker 9: died and lost their homes. And then yet, by the way,
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  Speaker 9: when he went to the UK, he went and had
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  Speaker 9: a beer at a pub when Australians couldn't move back home.
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  Speaker 9: So it's not at that level, but it does have
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  Speaker 9: those sort of tinny elements and if you look at
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  Speaker 9: the way that someone like even Chris Min's response to
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  Speaker 9: these things. Right, so he had the Westfield Bondai incident.
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  Speaker 9: He was on holiday with his family, no doubt, I'm
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  Speaker 9: much sought after and much wanted holiday after an election victory,
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  Speaker 9: a bit like Morrison to Japan. He landed in Japan
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  Speaker 9: and then he flew all the way back, you know,
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  Speaker 9: and his poor old family had to go and do
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  Speaker 9: the holiday by themselves. So it's that kind of thing
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  Speaker 9: that must be concerning labored people just being a little
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  Speaker 9: bit flat footed. And if there is media criticism of
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  Speaker 9: the Prime Minister, he likes so many of these leaders
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  Speaker 9: and politicians I've seen, in fact the majority of them.
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  Speaker 9: Someone actually told me Tony Abbott was one of them
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  Speaker 9: who didn't do this. I know John Howell was well
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  Speaker 9: also who didn't do this. They see it as the
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  Speaker 9: media being too harsh and they take it a bit personally,
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  Speaker 9: where you can't really you're in that job and heavy
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  Speaker 9: rest the crown. So the PM next time something like
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  Speaker 9: this happens just has to move quickly. That's what he
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  Speaker 9: has to do. You're defined by events in these leadership
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  Speaker 9: roles and it's to his own cost that he isn't
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  Speaker 9: a bit more nimble on these matters or prepared to change.
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  Speaker 9: It's kind of a stubborn mindset. You meet people who
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  Speaker 9: think these are my plans. I don't want to deviate
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  Speaker 9: from my plans. In that job, you have to deviate
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  Speaker 9: from your plans occasionally.
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  Speaker 2: With you when you're the top job, as I say,
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  Speaker 2: you've got the plane at your disposal. You're not in
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  Speaker 2: that job a long time. A few prime ministers of
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  Speaker 2: Monnier last the ten years that Howard did, and you've
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  Speaker 2: got to throw everything at it. People expect you to
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  Speaker 2: be there on deck twenty four to seven, seven days
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  Speaker 2: a week, and it was a terror attack. It even
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  Speaker 2: looked very much like a terror attack on the Friday
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  Speaker 2: morning before the official confirmation on Monday. I mean he
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  Speaker 2: should have been there. It was a no brainer. I
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  Speaker 2: remember Tony Abott slept on the floor of his office
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  Speaker 2: waiting for calls with Putin when we lost that plane
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  Speaker 2: mh seventeen. I know that I was in and out
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  Speaker 2: sleeping on my floor when we had the liege at
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  Speaker 2: the Linked Siege attack. We were waiting for confirmation coming
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  Speaker 2: out of New South Wales. We were in and out
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  Speaker 2: of NSC meetings. That's the nature of the beast, right,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Suck it up. Don't do the job if you can't
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: do the time, in the hours the responsibility that goes
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: with it. Shop news today the retirement of the Manager
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: of Opposition Business former Minister. Of course, Liberal front Bench
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: are now in opposition, Paul Fletcher. He won't contest the
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: next selection, of course, there won't be a election. His
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: seat is the seat of my old boss, Brendan Nelson,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: terrific bloke, big shoes to phil in comes Fletcher. I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: think what's had been a fourteen year term. Fifteen year term.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: There was a big swing against him though at the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: last election. From a teal. She might call herself an independent,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: let's call her a teal. She's absolutely though, back out
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: there today throwing down the gauntlet. She's got to run.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Have a listen.
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: It's not mister Fletcher who people have an issue with.
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: It is Peter Dutton and mister Scott Morrison. They've pulled
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: the Liberal Party too far to the right and the
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: party no longer represents the values of the people here
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: in Bradfield.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Do you know she's desperate if she's still banging on
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: about Scott Morrison. Hey, you've got the drum on Fletcher's
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: likely replacement. What can you tell us?
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: It's Giselle Captian, who was the North Sydney candidate. A
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: former chievis staff to Karen Andrews and Deputy Steve Chobo,
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: worked for Julie Bishop, a moderate North Sydney counselor, has
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: a degree from Cambridge, very presentable. I think she'll take
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: the fight up there, but she will indeed have a fight.
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: And I think the interesting thing about this is apparently
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: Paul Fletcher told Peter Dutton early in the term he
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: was likely to go at the end of the term,
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: so he's hung on a bit like Julie Bishop did
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: to thwart Christian Porter and curtain until the last minute
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: to call it quits, to stop Mat Kean in my view,
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: and Matt Kean a few minutes ago tweeted a big
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: criticism of Peter Dutton's nuclear policy and said how bad
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: it would be for the cost of living.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: I know he's on federal government job climate change authority,
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: but I can't help but link these two events, him
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: finding out he can't get this long sort after Cedar
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: Bradfield Peter followed by an instant criticism of Peter Dutton's policy.
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: Dare I say sour grapes from Matt Kean.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: We should all be eternally thankful then to poor Fletcher.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: That is timing the course of history then, and we've
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: kept Matt Kean for the moment at least out of Canberra.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Angel can Now, thanks for your time this year. I've
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: loved having you on the show. My viewers love it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: When there's a bit of you know, backwards and forwards.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: It's not just a we're not just seeing you from
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the same song sheet. And I think that's good on
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the program. Great to have you as always. Oh they
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: didn't give him a rite of reply. There you go,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: all right, let's go together. Big news today the economic
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: story out of the RBA meeting today. It was the
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: last many, of course for the year. They have chosen
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to leave the cash rate on hold four point three
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: five percent. This is a ninth consecutive time rates have
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: been on hold. Let's get some insights now, Skyte his
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: business editor Ross Greenwood, it's still a thirteen year high
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: this cash rate. The RBA, though softening their time, maybe
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more optimistic that inflation is going
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to come down.
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: What was your reid, Ross, They might have been even
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: opened up the window for the election. To be honest, Peter,
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: because this might be what really Anthony Albanesi and Jim
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: Jarmers have been hoping for, and that is maybe markets
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: now starting to price in that early next year there
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: is an interst rate cut. But there's definitely a change
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: in language and tone at the Reserve Bank. Though they
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: did not consider cutting interst rates. I certainly did not
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: consider raising interest rates either at this meeting. Here is
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: the language's change. So I want to take you back
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: a month. So this is what they said a month ago.
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: Policy will need to be sufficiently restrictive, and SI la
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: Port is confident that inflation is moving sustainably towards the
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: target range. At that time, nothing was in, nothing was out.
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: That statement was now gone and it now says the
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: board is gaining some confidence that inflation is moving sustainably
• 23:50
  Speaker 10: towards the target.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: Michelle Bullock was pressed about this today in the media
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: conference and about what this meant, and she effectively said
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: that they really now started the sea that the underlying
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: inflation does start to fall from here. The very slow
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: Australian economy, the very weak consumer in Australia at some
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: point starts to turn around. The anecdotal evidence of that
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: even coming out of some of the retailers today. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: so right now you can see these numbers. The headline
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: rate of inflation is artificial, boosted by the government's energy rebates.
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: Economic growth is just really just teetering above recessionary levels
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: right now. Wages growth still is rising, but will come off.
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: But the one thing that the governor says today is
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: even though inflation might be moderating, families are going to
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: feel the effect of this for some time because prices
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: since they really started the rise are sixteen percent higher
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: than what they were and those prices are not going
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: to fall anytime soon. So that's one of the keys here.
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: But after all of this time, and you mentioned nine decisions,
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: it now goes for thirteen months, and the Reserve Bank
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: has not moved into straits here when other parts of
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: the world have been moving rates at the same time.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: All Right, we know they don't meet in January. Their
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: next meeting is Tuesday, eighteenth of February. Now what are
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: the chances of a rate cut then? And if they
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: get a rate cut, then the hammer could fall on
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the election. I reckon. They'll alloyd then in March twenty five,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: March twenty five budget and there's another meeting at the
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: end of March two. So you could have a rate
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: cut before an election, possibly even a rate cut inside
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: an election.
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: Well that's partly what the process might be. So if
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: we go and have a quick look at Reuter's now
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: the judges through the money markets and where they go
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: to is the odds of rate cuts and when they
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: might take place next meeting, as you say, in February.
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: So what we can see there is even today the
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: odds of a rate cut in February now fifty seven
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: point four percent. This even ticked above sixty percent at
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: one stage today and that's because money markets immediately reacted
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: to these statements from the Reserve Bank. So what happened
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: is money market interest rates went down, the Australian dollar
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: went down, the stock market went up, and all that
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: says that the markets have now got more anticipation. Now
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: if you move forward to the following months, markets are
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: all but pricing in that there will one hundred percent
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: chance be of a rate cut in April. So if
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: it doesn't come in February, by April, it definitely will
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: have come, so that you're right, will affect the timing
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: of the election. But of course it also may influence
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: the spending of Australians. They might start the feel a
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: little bit more loose with their spending. And really it's
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: the fact that consumers have really started to tighten their
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: belts over the past six months that has really led
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: to that slowing of our Australian economy.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I have a wonderful Christmas. I love having you on
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the show, Ross seeing you next year. Quite okay, all right,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Australians are tear what I know exactly what you think
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: about our one national flag? And therese commentators out there.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I think you don't care. They aren't what they're talking about.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I got to say, you know something're right though, when
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you're upset all the right people get into that after
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the break, plus the former labor poster Cos Samarus on
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Labour's abandonment of their base? Can they get them back?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And the Teals well they really Progreens in terms of
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: their voting record. Can they full voters again? Do you
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: think welge back still to come out of suburban areas
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: turning away from Labor in droves. There's now a serious
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: prospect of a majority coalition government. Analysis repulsed to cost
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Samarus coming up. But first, Peter Duttons promised last night
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: here on the show that if elected as Prime minister,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: he would stand behind only one flag, our national flag
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: during press conferences. Well, it's certainly upset all the right people.
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: I think this says Peter Dunn, just doing what he
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: knows how to do best, try and get a headline
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: with no substance, no real policies about, for example, tackling
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: cost of living or things that really matter to the
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: Australian people.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Here's how we played out two on pers six PR
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: radio as well.
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: Okay, step backwards to say that you wouldn't acknowledge the
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: Indigenous flag at a press conference.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Peter was saying he wouldn't acknowledge
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the Indigenous flag. He just thinks that if he becomes
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister and he's standing and making announcements on behalf
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: of the Australian people and to the Australian people, that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: he should be standing in front of our one Australian
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: national flag. We don't have multiple national flags. We have
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the Australian national flag. But that doesn't mean there isn't
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: a place for the Indigenous and Torres straight Island of
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: flags at certain occasions and certain events where it is
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: relevant and appropriate.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: But you understand though that the fact that our Prime
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: Minister of the day would make a stance in terms
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: of putting the Indigenous flag in the cupboard at Parliament
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: House or wherever the press conference might be sounds like
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: it's a retrograde step in terms of the rec conciliation
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: of Aboriginal people with the rest of the country.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Can you think of any other country in the world
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: that has multiple flags and is a cohesive, strong, united country.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's controversial at all to say that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: we have one national flag and that that is the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: flag which the Prime ministers should stand in front of
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: when is making announcements to our country and on behalf our.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Country join me in our Deputy Executive Director of the IPA,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Daniel Wilde, Well, James Patterson's right there, absolutely, Daniel. But
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: can you believe some people in the media they now
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: want to make the unity symbol of our one and
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: only national flag somehow a divisive issue because we're not
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: putting it beside the Aboriginal and torres straight on the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: fake No, Australians were asked if they wanted their PM
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: to stand behind three flags. Peter Dutton's right.
• 29:51
  Speaker 13: Here, well, he's spot on, Peter, and congratulations with your
• 29:56
  Speaker 13: interview with Peter Dutton last night, and of course Senator
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: Patterson just had to say then there's one hundred percent
• 30:02
  Speaker 13: correct as well. And you know if anyone doubts it,
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: let's have a referendum on it. How do you reckon
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: that one would go. I think it'd be bigger than
• 30:08
  Speaker 13: the Voice victory in terms of voting no to the Voice,
• 30:11
  Speaker 13: because Australians understand that we are one nation and that
• 30:15
  Speaker 13: a flag is not just a piece of cloth with
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: colors on it. It represents our shared values, our history,
• 30:21
  Speaker 13: our culture, our way of life. It has the Union
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: Jack on it, which harkens to our British founding, which
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: is the basis of what we've become as a nation.
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: That's why millions of people come to this country for
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: a better way of life and the opportunities that are here.
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: And for those who are saying it's divisive, well, I
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: don't think there's anything more divisive than having three flags.
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: Of course, if you're on official parliamentary business, if you're
• 30:45
  Speaker 13: representing the Australian people, if you're making policy announcements on
• 30:49
  Speaker 13: behalf of Australians that will affect all Australians, then it
• 30:52
  Speaker 13: stands to reason that you stand in front of one flag.
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: I can't understand why it's so hard for the Prime
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: Minister of Australia to stand in front of the Australian
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: flag and the Australian flag only.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: And I think mainstream.
• 31:04
  Speaker 13: Australians have just had a gut full of the division
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: and they've all, i think finally seen some common sense
• 31:09
  Speaker 13: coming out of Cambell from Peter Dutton. This is exactly
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: the kind of leadership that people want. And you've just
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: mentioned with the next guess you're going to be talking
• 31:16
  Speaker 13: about why labor is in trouble in the outer suburbs,
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: Well guess what this is why? Because Australians understand this
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: is completely common sense and it will unite us, not
• 31:25
  Speaker 13: divide us.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I mean John Howard stood in one in front of
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: one flag. Tony Abbert did, I think most prime ministers did.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It's only been this Prime minister that's made it a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: UNI actual decision, not discussed prior to the election, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: a Youni actual decision after the election to put three
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: flags there in the frame at all times and the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal flag in the center. How listen to what a
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: commentator just said before on Sky News about an hour ago.
• 31:53
  Speaker 14: See, I actually disagree. I think that he is being
• 31:55
  Speaker 14: divisive and this seems to me to be something that's
• 31:59
  Speaker 14: come up in some PR firm talkfest and they've kind
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: of seen it as a point of difference. I think
• 32:08
  Speaker 14: that if there had been a massive ground swell from
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: the Australian people about the flag issue and people were saying, oh,
• 32:14
  Speaker 14: why is there three so confusing? Oh, I don't really
• 32:17
  Speaker 14: understand it. It's a kind of benign, positive symbol of
• 32:21
  Speaker 14: acceptance of the difference of the background of our Australian people.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Now, God loves Cusi O'Brien, But I mean I've written
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: about this issue. I've spoken about this issue for a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: couple of years here on Sky News. There is not
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: one issue where I get more comments on any column
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I ever write than when I mentioned the three flags issue.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I think out there in the real world, I mean,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: these people got their head up their backsides out there
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: in the real world. This is a huge issue for Australians.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And it's partly why when they got their say finally
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: on this stuff with the Voice and it encapsulated so
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: many things, it was a resounding defeat. Yeah that's right.
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: Look, maybe ten years ago I would share the perspective
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: that it's a benign issue, but not anymore because we've
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: had all of our major institutions engaged in relentless hostility
• 33:10
  Speaker 13: against the Australian way of life and our values. You know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 13: mainstream Australians no longer see their values reflected in major institutions,
• 33:17
  Speaker 13: whether at schools, universities, most of the media, sporting code,
• 33:21
  Speaker 13: civic organizations, religious organizations. They're crying out for political leadership
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: and a political standard bearer to give them a voice
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: on these issues. And I think the worm has turned
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: on this. It started with the Voice to Parliament, which
• 33:34
  Speaker 13: wasn't just a left right issue. Almost forty percent of
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: labor voters voted no, fifty five percent of men eighteen
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: to twenty four voted no, seventy percent of tradees voted
• 33:44
  Speaker 13: no to the Voice. So this was widespread throughout our society.
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: We've seen it with Australia Day earlier this year with
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: Woolworths and Brad Banducci losing his job over it, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: most recently with Australian Venue Co entering in the debate
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: and then losing within twenty four hours. So look, I
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: think Australians want to see someone fight for their values
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: because the overwhelming majority of Australians believe that Australia is
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: a good country. They want to keep it that way,
• 34:08
  Speaker 13: and they are sick and tired of these elite institutions
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: running us down and demeaning and diminishing us. Of course,
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: we can have a debate about the good, bad, and
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: the ugly of our history, but let's all agree that
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: Australia is fundamentally a good country. We won our flag respected,
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: We wont Australia Day on the twenty sixth of January,
• 34:25
  Speaker 13: and we want our political last political class to respect that.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Spot on Daniel Wilde, you got any one, Thanks for
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: your time out of the break. How the prospect of
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: a majority coalition governments now a real chance with the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: outer suburbs shunning labor. Plus a bit later on Donald
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Trump's Day one White House agenda is revealed. It's a big, one,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: big day. I'll take it through it after break, welcome back.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: More concerns about the al Kinda connections now in Syria,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: concerns about the future of the region too. And Day
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: one under President Trump revealed to hold onto your hat.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: That's all I can say the first As we end
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: the year, and all eyes now turn to the twenty
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: twenty five election. One thing's becoming abundantly clear it's going
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: to be tight. This time last year, even with the
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: alban Easy suffering the loss of the referendum on the Voice,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Label was still in pole position to retain government. But
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: over the course of the past twelve months they have now
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: slipped well and truly to minority. There's also a real possibility,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: not a probability, but a real possibility the Coalition could
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: form government in its own right. According to polling by
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Accent Research and the red Bridge Group. Survey found the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Coalition can easily win forty two seats across the country
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and it's leading with voters in another twenty two. That's
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the total of sixty four. Label looks like that to
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: win forty seven seats showing a leader at another twelve,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: that's a total of fifty nine. Any have others up
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: for grabs? Joining me now? The director of the red
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Bridge Group, Cos Samarus, take me through your sense of
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: where things are now as we slide into Christmas, because
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: people won't want to talk about politics for the next
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: couple of months, but you know we could be an
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: election campaign sooner rather than later.
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah. The problem Labor has is every month that passes
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: their position gets worse. So we've now done three large
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: assessments where we've drilled down to every single seat to
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: see how labors firing, how the coalition are fairing, and
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: minor parties. At the beginning of the year, the first
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: one we did, there was a fifty percent chance of
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: a labor majority, fifty percent chance of a labor minority.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: Come winter, it was one hundred percent chance of a
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: labor minority. Now it's ninety eight percent chance of a
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: hung Parliament where the Coalition is certainly going to end
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: up with the most of the seats in the House
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: of Representatives and a slight but growing possibility of a
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: coalition win.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about the outer suburbs in New South
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Wales and Victorian capital cities and what's happening there.
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so these two states will determine the election result,
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: there's no doubt about it. So we've seen a lot
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: of movement away from labor in the outer suburbs of
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: Sydney and Melbourne and the regions, particularly regional New South Wales.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: So these are electrics obviously where you know, when we're
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: talking about the cost of living crissis, this is where
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: it's really hitting the hardest. It's also where you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: we saw the no vote for the referendum was the
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: highest in those two states, and so I think what's
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: going on is there is a gradual growing level of
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: resentment towards labor that in the Albanizy government. We picked
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: this up on our research and other work that we've
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: done that his priorities are not in the right place,
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: that he's focused on other issues, he's not focused on
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: their issues and they feel abandoned. So that's happening. But
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: then we're also seeing a surge in the Coalition VBE
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: and that's the big change in these seats.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I always think at the top of the year it's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: difficult the incumbent government or whatever stripe because people come
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: back from Christmas, all the emotional good will's gone. You've
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: got the bills there, you credit card bills, and I
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people are going to put stuff
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: on their card to survive Christmas this year. And of course,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: if you get a warm summer in Australia, you get
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: those first big bills of the year for your electricity.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: If you had the AC on, you know, you're really
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: paying through the nose you mentioned before winter and I
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: think one of the reasons why the Labor Party has
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: suffered in winter, it was a cold winter, particularly down south.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Those bills come in, you're cranky at what you're paying
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: for power. I think we're going to see that come
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the front end of the year. And yes, says talk
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: of a rate cut potentially, but we've had that talk
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: now month after month after month, and I don't think
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: that's even going to touch the sides.
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. We've got to think about people in
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: their thirties and forties, and to all this extent low
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: fifties who now have kids or the run. They're obviously,
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: you know, getting old with their lives. They've never experienced
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: this type of financial shock, and so the last Christmas
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: was bad for them. It was probably economically the worst
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: one they've experienced. This one is definitely going to be
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: the worst. So not only are we dealing with what's
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: going to have in come February when their credit card
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: bills come in, they will be carrying that baggage, that
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: emotional baggage, which is, you know, couldn't buy the kids
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: what I wanted to buy, you know, couldn't put on
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: the Christmas table what I wanted to pull on the
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: Christmas table, couldn't take a break because I had to
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: work two jobs. And we're seeing a lot of that
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: going on right now, where a lot of people in
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: this out of suburban areas and regions have to actually
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: do a number of different jobs to actually get by.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: One of the assessments that came out this week in
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the News poll, you know, beyond the primary vote differential,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the perception of the Prime minister ask the worst perception,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the worst numbers in decades since they first actually started
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: to poll that measure Peter Darton above and a way
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: perceived to be a stronger and more decisive leader. I
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: said last night, is a lot things you could turn
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: around in politics. You know, bad policies you can fix,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: et cetera. But the perception of character, the perception of weakness,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that's tough to turn around.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: This is why the issue around the CYS Synagogue is
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: actually going to hurt Albany's more than most people in
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: labor actually appreciate. It isn't about how this bounces through
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: the Muslim community in Australia or how it bounces through
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: the Jewish community. Those are fairly geographical confined constituencies where
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: we will see the politics of that play out in
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: probably four seats. What this issue does, though, is it
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: again reinforces that brand that of course Newspolt has highlighted,
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: which is a brand that Albanese has developed for himself
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: where he's perceived is weak, not strong. That's a problem
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: in a world where people think is going well has
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: gone crazy, right, So we're seeing poly complex everywhere. The economy,
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: economy across the globe is unstable. We've just lived for
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: a pandemic. They're going to be looking for decisive leaders
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: who will going to actually help help the country get
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: through what they think is going to be the next
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: five years, and that for them, for many Austrainers that
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: we survey, it's going to be a lot worse. So
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: they expect their lives to get worse of the next
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: five year is not better?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Just to quick one, Paul Fletcher's retiring the center Bradfield
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: in City, A prominent teal is going to run there again.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: She got twenty one percent in terms of a swing
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: towards her, not enough to win the seat, but certainly
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: shook things up. How much of that till vote last
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: time was people really cranky with Scott Morrison. That anger
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: obviously is a beta because Morrison is no longer there
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: are we had peak TiAl or do you think they've
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: still got ground they can make up.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: I think we're peaking the electrics in which they won,
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: and I would expect most of them to be returned.
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't say all of them. But the election of
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: the Tills is more about what is going on globally.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: Across Western democracies were getting realalignment occurring. Wealthy interurban electorates
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: are voting for the parties of the left or candidates
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: of the left or candidates with a progressive agenda, and
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: out of suburban, lower educated, lower income constituencies and regional
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: constituencies voting for the parties of the right. So that's
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: what happened in the US, it's happening in the UK,
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: It's definitely happening in Europe in a very big way.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: And so I think what the inflationary crisis has done
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: is actually accelerate that process, because everything's much slower in
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: Australia because of our compulsive preferential system, and so I
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: think that it's just a general trend. I expect them
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: to hold what they've got, maybe pick up one or
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: two other seats, which is hap to see.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Well you get a good Christmas break cause because I
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: reckon you got to be pretty busy at the front
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: end of next year. Thanks for joining me this year.
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: Thank you all.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Right after break, Donald Trump Day one, first election post
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: election TV interview we's had that outline is a gender
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: first day in the White House. Will taking through it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: It's a cracker cs. We'll go back to my last
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: international panel of the year joining me. Scane's contributed Kosha Ghana,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: past chair Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: welcome to you both. Let's start with Syria. You know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: yes it's been the change, A very very bad man's left.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: But famously Tony an't said about Syria. It's bad and badder,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: you know, neither of the good guys, the rebels have
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: links back to al Qaeda. People saying nothing to say
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: here yet makes me.
• 43:36
  Speaker 15: Nervous, certainly does wise words by Tony aviad there because
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: this is a very checkered picture for sure. The leader
• 43:43
  Speaker 15: Abu Julani, Mohammed Julani, he fought against your soldiers in
• 43:47
  Speaker 15: Iraq from all three to oh six. He then returned
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: to Syria and twenty eleven and formed links with some
• 43:51
  Speaker 15: of these al Qaeda groups. He has been ruling over
• 43:54
  Speaker 15: two million people in the northwest Endcleave, you know, on
• 43:56
  Speaker 15: the basis of those links with al Qaeda and others.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: He's a designated.
• 43:59
  Speaker 15: Terrorist all the drive of astuntries and so when they
• 44:02
  Speaker 15: say there's nothing to see her, you can actually go
• 44:04
  Speaker 15: on the US State Department's website and look him up
• 44:06
  Speaker 15: right now, and he's a designated terrorist.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: So these are vicious, ruthless people.
• 44:10
  Speaker 15: We know that everything from you know, Christians in the
• 44:12
  Speaker 15: Middle East have really shrunk over the time that this
• 44:15
  Speaker 15: mess has been happening in the Middle East.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: And I also think.
• 44:17
  Speaker 15: There's just a bigger picture of the war on terror
• 44:19
  Speaker 15: which we've been told and sold for twenty years. It
• 44:21
  Speaker 15: just feels like for what, because all these people seem
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: to keep coming back and popping up again. And I
• 44:26
  Speaker 15: don't think it's a time to rejoice because this is
• 44:28
  Speaker 15: a messy picture.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Look, you think all the troubles in the region are
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: all exposed in there for us, and then we say
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: the fall of a very rapid time full of the
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Yad Vaijami in Syria. I mean, how do you say it, Michael.
• 44:40
  Speaker 16: Well, the satellite photo show the Russian fleet has left Latakia,
• 44:45
  Speaker 16: which was their base. But the best newspaper is that
• 44:49
  Speaker 16: the destruction of his Bellah in Lebanon has allowed the
• 44:55
  Speaker 16: Syrian people to liberate themselves because they were the infantry
• 44:58
  Speaker 16: for the regime on the ground. It allows Lebanon to
• 45:03
  Speaker 16: eventually liberate itself from being an Iranian slave state. And yes,
• 45:08
  Speaker 16: Jason Claire, victory over Hamas, Hezbollah and Asad is good
• 45:16
  Speaker 16: for us in the West. We're three quarters of the
• 45:19
  Speaker 16: way to victory. And the last thing I'd say, Peter,
• 45:22
  Speaker 16: this might be a bit controversial, is that after January
• 45:25
  Speaker 16: twenty if Ran continues its soundings of rushing towards an
• 45:30
  Speaker 16: atom bom Bibbi, and Trump will finish that prospect.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Wow, right, Well, we'll I'm going to say, we want
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: to watch that with interest, and we want to get
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: to that point, but we will watch it closely because
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I do think he's going to be a game changer.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: This is the president elector of course, Kosher gives his
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: first interview today. It doesn't mind going into hostile media territory.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Unlike his candidate opponent, Kamla Harris and the current bloke,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: the current incumbent who was the president, we don't even
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: talk about anymore, focuses on Donald trum He's not even
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: in make it. Let's have a listen to what the
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: president elect had to say.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: I'm a big.
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: Believer in tariff's I think tariffs are the most beautiful word.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: I think they're beautiful.
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: It's going to make us rich. We're subsidizing Canada to
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: the tune of over one hundred.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Billion dollars a year.
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: We're subsidizing Mexico for almost three hundred billion dollars.
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: We shouldn't be upset. Why are we subsidizing these countries.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: If we're going to subsidize them, let her become a state.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And he's got deportation plans. He wants the army involved.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a busy first day agenda for sure.
• 46:34
  Speaker 15: And you know, he's been very transparent about all of
• 46:36
  Speaker 15: these issues. And it's been a decade long thing in
• 46:39
  Speaker 15: the making where some of these things like tariffs and
• 46:41
  Speaker 15: all of that have not been well received by the establishment.
• 46:43
  Speaker 15: He did a little bit with it in the last
• 46:45
  Speaker 15: term was out for four years and now he's back
• 46:47
  Speaker 15: with a vengeance, so I think he's going to certainly
• 46:49
  Speaker 15: push ahead further. I think Michael made an interesting point
• 46:51
  Speaker 15: too about the timing of this with the last topic,
• 46:53
  Speaker 15: that the fact that this is literally the final window
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: before we have a new leader, all these things happening
• 46:58
  Speaker 15: domestically and internationally can I think it's a coincidence. So
• 47:01
  Speaker 15: he's going to inherit a very massive picture, clearly on
• 47:04
  Speaker 15: every dimension, and he's going for action, action, action. But
• 47:07
  Speaker 15: we'll see how much opposition he's going to be met
• 47:09
  Speaker 15: with booth by the Democrats and is on party.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Just John that the people that will sit around the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: table with him, his cabinet, unlike the cabinet here, they're
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: not MPs, but they have to go through a pretty
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: rigorous confirmation process. We've got some names that are likely
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: to go through. We've got something that have already pulled out,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: and we've got a particularly the defense chief under fire.
• 47:28
  Speaker 16: How do you see it, Michael, Well, I think so
• 47:30
  Speaker 16: many of them are actually exciting prospects. I mean, I'm
• 47:34
  Speaker 16: not a big fan of RFK in his vaccination views,
• 47:37
  Speaker 16: but I think his views on nutrition and food additives
• 47:41
  Speaker 16: are what idealistic people who should be in the Democrats
• 47:45
  Speaker 16: would agree with. So Trump's been very smart in placing
• 47:49
  Speaker 16: these high profile people, including Ellen Muskin, on government waste.
• 47:54
  Speaker 16: I think the black sheep in the family is Tulsy Gabbard.
• 47:58
  Speaker 16: I think she may face problems in the in the
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: Senate from Republicans who have concerns about her national security views.
• 48:08
  Speaker 16: Now if she's able to reassure them, I think most
• 48:12
  Speaker 16: of Trump's nominees will go through. I think he's Secretary
• 48:16
  Speaker 16: of State, Rubio's brilliant. His CIA director Ratcliffe is sharp
• 48:23
  Speaker 16: airs and a friend of Australia. So it's all all
• 48:26
  Speaker 16: go from here.
• 48:27
  Speaker 15: If you ask me, what do you think, Yes, I
• 48:30
  Speaker 15: think Tulsi and Pete hag Seth are right now the ones.
• 48:32
  Speaker 15: The controversial three is those two plus RFK All those survive,
• 48:36
  Speaker 15: I think so. So it is interesting where the one
• 48:38
  Speaker 15: scalp was taken with AG's would Row Matt Gates. And
• 48:42
  Speaker 15: then the bigger picture here is the role of the
• 48:44
  Speaker 15: legislative branch versus executive branch. Yes, they have advice and consent,
• 48:48
  Speaker 15: that is part of the process, but there's this idea
• 48:51
  Speaker 15: of this notion that they may be stretch too far,
• 48:53
  Speaker 15: and they're disqualifying people for things that are not dispositive
• 48:56
  Speaker 15: for the role. So Pete hag Seth has issues with
• 48:58
  Speaker 15: his with his marital path, does that have any relevance
• 49:01
  Speaker 15: for the rule of This is the question at hand.
• 49:04
  Speaker 15: And Trump won the presidency with a mandid the Senate shory.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: With his own premarital and marital courage.
• 49:10
  Speaker 15: So we're past, like we have to know what time
• 49:12
  Speaker 15: it is I think in the world and in the country,
• 49:13
  Speaker 15: and those things just don't matter as much as maybe
• 49:15
  Speaker 15: they would in a time of peace and prosperity and condusion.
• 49:18
  Speaker 16: But the ag replacement was better. I mean, she's experienced
• 49:22
  Speaker 16: Attorney general in Florida. Fantastic like that.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: We will come back to this all of course, January
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: twenty will be back on air. Look forward. Jfk is
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: like that didn't put him through a confirmation hearing. Look
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: at those Kennedys in the past. All right, that's it
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: for me, see you tomorrow night. Here's Andrew