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W: Two Worlds Apart | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 4 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  Yes. So Rico, today we are going to
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  be reviewing a show called W Two Worlds and it's 2016 show.
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  Do you want to give us the my drama?
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  Listen abscess. Yes, I will go ahead and do
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  that. It starts off with Osamu the
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  father of a cardiothoracic. Attic surgeon.
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  Oh youngjoo. That is the name mysteriously
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  goes missing while writing the last chapter of his webtoon.
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  W eun-joo goes to his office looking, but a hand from his
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  monitor suddenly pulls her in and she finds herself on top on
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  the rooftop of a building. Next to a man who is bloodied.
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  She manages to save the person only to realize that he is.
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  Kang Chul at that is I just want to make sure that I'm
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  pronouncing it, right? He is the main character of his
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  father of her father's webtoon. Yoonjoo later.
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  Discovers she can only enter and leave the webtoon.
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  Depending on Kang Joel's feelings, thanks for that Rico.
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  That's basically episode 1 of w. It originally aired from July to
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  September 2016. It is 16 episodes long and we do
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  have some housekeeping to get out of the way.
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  It was directed by Jung daehyun. He directed, Queen of reversals,
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  the King, two hearts with ha jiwon and Lee seunggi.
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  Those are two Hollywood stars right there, great show.
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  If you haven't watched it already, he also directed by Don
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  in the magistrate Cunning Single Lady.
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  She was pretty with pox o June and, of course, I'm not a robot
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  from 2017, it was written by seong Jae Joong, she wrote
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  queening yawns men, which is amazing.
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  If you haven't seen it already, I highly recommend that 2012
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  show and sung. Jae Joong, also wrote memories
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  of the Alhambra from 2018. You can catch that show on
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  Netflix if you want to watch it, although I watched it, it
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  sucked. I did not like it at all.
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  I actually I wrote a review on the Dybbuk blog as well if you
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  want to see my raw thoughts on that show.
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  Okay, so w Stars. Lee Jong Suk.
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  As Kang jaecheol, this guy is very popular.
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  Um, he's been in a bunch of shows, he started out.
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  I feel His first real Cameo was in Secret Garden.
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  I don't want to say Cameo. His first, real role was
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  basically India garden and that's a major major show.
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  I can hear your voice. 2013 Doctor, Stranger Pinocchio While
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  You Were Sleeping romance is a bonus book.
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  Is his most recent drama from 2019.
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  Also on Netflix also sucks and then it also Stars Han hyo-joo
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  as oh youngjoo she mostly does an even amount of like move.
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  These and TV. And so she started acting when
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  she was very young. And I remember her first from
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  the TV show spring Waltz from 2006.
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  And then she was also a brilliant Legacy in 2009 with a
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  soggy and then donkey, which is a historical show from 2010.
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  I really like her movie, Her movie work, she did this movie
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  called always with, so jisub, which is like one of my first
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  kdrama crushes was so jisub. I think he's like 40-something
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  years old and I'm like, all in this movie with so jisub.
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  It's a tearjerker. So good.
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  Masquerade in 2012, love 911 in 2012, which is really funny.
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  That's a rom-com. And then, the beauty inside from
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  2015, which has a very interesting premise, that they
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  actually turned it into a TV show as well.
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  So you could watch the Beauty inside movie, and then watch the
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  Beauty inside kdrama as well. And to round out, our, I'll just
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  go with her dad in the show Kim. We sung glaze also mu.
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  Okay, so now that we have all of that out of the way, we have the
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  cast with the directory of the writer release and everything we
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  go. What did you think of w?
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  So w has a very interesting premise that immediately made me
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  think of the 1984 music video for ha ha ha Take On Me, right?
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  Because it feels like it's the same exact thing.
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  You're not wrong, gets pulled into the comic book.
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  The comic book is its own world and things that happen on the
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  outside world affect the comic and vice versa for sure.
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  Interesting premise, like yes it is.
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  So Leah rounding and that's why it did pretty well like in the
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  ratings and stuff. It was it did gangbusters but
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  that premise is so unique. And that's why I wonder how.
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  I didn't like it. How they fumbled this.
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  And this, in my view, this is something that I warned you
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  about in the previous reviews that we've done in our
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  conversations is that you might have a show that starts super
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  strong. Like w starts very strong with a
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  bang, right? It's a strong premise, strong
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  premise really great characters. And you know somewhere along the
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  way, they just lose their shit and like the threat of it is
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  just gone. And so you didn't like w at all,
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  pretty much know because I think that for the most part I was
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  intrigued by the premise but as the show went on, it started to
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  feel like it was spinning its Wheels because it felt like the
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  story was dragging out too long and I don't know how you feel,
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  but I did not really like either starring person.
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  Oh, really. No, I honestly, you know what,
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  it felt like to me. Okay.
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  I'm just gonna withhold my thoughts.
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  So you can keep going. You know what, it felt like to
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  me especially Lee jung-soo. Okay.
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  He felt Not believable as like that lead character because
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  there's a lot of moments where he has to do action and he has
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  to do, like, life-threatening stuff.
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  Yes. And I did not find it believable
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  at all because he looks so fresh face.
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  So young. So model is Schleck.
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  He was like they just he started late model, right?
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  And so I think that's the problem.
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  So it kind of reminded me when all these like freeform, CW
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  shows, just grab like really good-looking young.
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  People just are in like these dramas that they make, and you
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  can tell that they don't quite have the acting there.
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  And he did not quite have the acting there because there are
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  moments where he's trying to deliver either a look or a line.
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  And I'm just like, I'm not buying this at all, man.
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  So, and then on top of that. Okay?
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  What Han huge. Oh yeah, who plays?
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  Oh, Yoon Joo. No.
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  I'm not saying she is exactly like, the girl from Boys Over
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  Flowers. She's not like that.
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  All right, hold on, hold on, I'm not done.
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  Okay, what I'm saying is that there's a lot of moments where
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  I'm looking at her character or I'm watching.
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  And I'm, I'm just like, I don't know if I even like what I'm
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  seeing from her, you know, I'm saying.
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  And it kind of got me to the point where I'm trudging through
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  episodes to get Get to a payoff that in the end I didn't like or
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  I didn't really care for uh-huh. And it kind of, It kind of had a
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  problem with, you know, it's a great premise and they didn't
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  know what to do with it. They didn't know how to do
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  something very interesting or very fulfilling with it is what
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  I'm, that's the problem. Okay.
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  Okay, so my thoughts are, I will I have to take it back because I
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  watch this witness originally aired.
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  Okay? And I really enjoyed the first
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  half of the show and to be quite honest, I remembered exactly the
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  first eight episodes of the show in re-watching, it it was very
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  clear to me. I was like, oh yeah, this
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  happens. Oh yeah.
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  They say this. Oh yeah, this person does this.
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  So very memorable to me the first half of the show.
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  And I would argue that the first eight episodes are the best
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  Eight Episodes of the whole show.
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  Um, and the feeling that I had while watching W originally back
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  in 2016, was that I really like these characters.
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  And I really love this premise. It is extremely unique.
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  It is catchy. However, the way that they
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  decided to take the plot and this, I felt originally Lee was
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  bogus it was total bullshit. I felt like they didn't know how
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  to end the show. Look the writers were grasping
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  at straws that they, they just made it super convoluted because
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  they seem to be writing week-to-week instead of feeling
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  like they had this whole entire picture in mind for the show,
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  and a clear-cut ending of where it was going to resolve.
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  And in re watching it, I feel the exact same way that I did
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  it. Like that scene where I wish so
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  much better for these characters and for these actors and for
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  this, you know, whole world that they built.
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  I just want it to be better. And I wish that they had taken
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  it in such a different direction and I don't know what that
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  direction should be, but it was, it's not this.
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  No, it's not what we got. So yeah, it's kind of hard to
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  say, you know, it should have gone in this direction when we
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  don't know, Know what it should have been but we both know it's
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  not this. Yes.
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  You know what? It kind of reminds me of it
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  reminds me of another show that I watch back in the early 2000s
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  or 2010's called Flash Forward. It was with a Joseph Fiennes Ray
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  Fiennes brother and John Cho like it had like some good
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  people on it but basically the premise of the show is that
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  basically A series revolves around the lives of several
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  people as a mysterious event causes nearly everyone on the
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  planet to simultaneously lose Consciousness for 2 minutes and
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  17 seconds. How does that remind you of?
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  Wa. Hold on.
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  No, no. The reason why is because it
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  starts off with a very interesting premise.
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  Like, wait a minute. Everybody on Earth.
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  I blacked out for like this exact specific time and then
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  there's the mystery of solving. Why that Happened.
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  And so the first half of the first season is like, oh, this
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  is really cool. This is like a very interesting
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  like mystery and stuff. But once they get to the point
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  where they kind of like almost figure it out and then what is
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  the next step? Yes, the writers you could tell,
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  did not know what the next step was, right.
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  And the show got cancelled after one season because they couldn't
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  figure out what to do. It was, it was very frustrating
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  to watch. So that's how he felt.
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  And then this That's how I felt. Especially after episode a, I
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  was like, like, why they're fumbling it, they're messing it
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  up. You know, in this case, what I
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  was watching at this time around, I was able to pinpoint,
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  what exactly reminded me of. So you said I show
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  flash-forward. It's a me reminded me.
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  A lot of like Tron legacy because of them getting sucked
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  into the game. Where the world's?
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  Yeah, my name me a Truman Show a lot because, okay, characters
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  affected by peopl creators acting as God and not.
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  Allowing him to make choices about his own life.
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  And so that's very prevalent in Truman Show and of that's
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  running throughout W, it reminded me of the Matrix
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  because they end up being able to enter and exit, the alt this
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  alternate fake World, exact vitamin E of inception a lot
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  because the creators are Architects.
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  Can manipulate the physical world and copy something from
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  the real world that ends up having an interesting parallel
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  world implications. Right.
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  It reminded me of Pleasantville, the movie Pleasantville and
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  getting sucked into the world again.
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  And then the inhabitants of this world start to unravel the truth
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  about their world and their existence the same thing as W.
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  And then this is a little bit of a pool, but I thought of Jordan
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  peels us. Okay, because in this might be
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  getting into spoiler territory. So I'll just stop right here.
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  But basically, I'll cover, why Jordan Peele?
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  Sus reminds me of w, Howe were there.
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  Any parts of the show that you were really excited for or you
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  were like, oh, I can't wait till we get to this again.
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  So I think the the most interesting thing, obviously it
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  happens early on, it's when we see for the first time that she
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  gets pulled into the comic world.
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  But it's an alternate reality. So I found that interesting
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  like, oh, so she is affecting what's happening in the comic.
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  Hmm. But then I did not expect for
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  it. The reverse to happen pretty
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  much where like the other side of the world is affecting this
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  as well. I did not expect that, so that
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  was really cool. So when that happened the very
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  first time in the show, I was like, oh this is, this is a
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  really cool concept. Concept.
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  Like let's really play around with this to see what more can
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  the outside world affect? What's going on in there?
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  Yeah, really play with that idea and they do for the first few
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  episodes, and I really enjoyed that, and then for some reason,
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  they kind of like tail off and they decide to reverse it.
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  No, I'm not trying to sound like Missy Elliott here but like they
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  decide for our lead character to come out of the comic.
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  Pretty much. Yeah.
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  And for some reason, I'm not getting get into spoiler
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  territory here, but basically, they decide to do something with
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  the character that now, that characters, not around for a
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  couple of episodes and it's like, or for like an episode or
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  whatever. And then they immediately
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  Backtrack on that. And it's like, so what are the
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  rules of the world? Like, yes, that is a big
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  complaint that I have is that they set up these rules hard and
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  fast rules about this world and then they just break all of them
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  by the end of the show or it starts changing and they call it
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  like, oh, with all things being the same, this should happen and
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  that's like guessing what should happen in the in the comic book
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  world and then they introduced variables and the characters
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  even Then call them variables and they're like, unless a
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  variable pops up and I'm like, what are you talking about?
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  That is pretty lame. Like, what variable label it
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  that way. Yeah, so that was very
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  frustrating for me. The most exciting part of the
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  show was definitely the romance between control and oh my god,
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  oh, you'll do right? And to me that's what made it so
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  compelling. Is that they somehow have this
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  really good. Chemistry.
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  And they're trying to turn the tables on the Run of the show of
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  the, you know, comic book the Muslim comic book.
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  Yeah. And I'm not going to give
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  anything away but like their moments together are really good
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  and so whenever it kind of got towards that territory or
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  whenever they were together, or they were having some sweet
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  moment. I was like, yes, like this feels
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  right for the show and then it would double back on itself and
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  it would commit more towards the mystery, the logistics of the
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  world. Being to flipped upside down and
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  the criminal aspect of the show. And it was just that part.
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  They didn't seem to have as down as like, these characters are
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  should end up together. Like that's like the through
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  line that they committed to from the very beginning from the very
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  writing and you skid a sense of that with the really solid
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  relationship between them throughout the whole show.
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  And so that's how I found Not a positive that being said I don't
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  like that. They're trying to switch genres
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  in the middle of a show you know?
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  Thank you. I don't like that.
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  Yeah like not only during the show they're switching genres
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  but also the tone of the show will change.
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  Yes. Like within scenes.
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  Yes. You know there's a moment where
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  somebody is like brutally shot, you know and there's blood and
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  everything and the very next scene it's like Comical with
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  like this light-hearted music and it's like, what?
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  It's kind of hard to keep us. You know, a straightforward
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  line. W stands for whiplash.
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  Exactly, exactly. Yeah, it's kind of hard to keep
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  track of what is the show supposed to make us as an
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  audience want to follow? When it's constantly bouncing
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  back and forth. Yeah I feel like we discussed
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  what really irked us about the show already and what we really
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  dislike about the show but we can go more into spoilers later.
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  On a scale of one to five. How pissed would you be if you
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  were a fan of this web toon in this world?
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  If I was a fan of the webtoon itself, pretty upset because at
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  the end of the day, you usually read, you know, these Comics
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  written for the hero and you know if your hero is going to be
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  killed off, like that's upsetting enough.
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  Uh-huh. But then the way like like
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  sometimes I even lost track of how it actually is.
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  Ends because they keep, like, going back and, like, know, we
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  know that we can change something and it's like, Okay
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  now, what's happening? Because they keep going back and
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  doubling back on themselves. That was a problem.
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  They didn't have a clear ending and just when you think you got
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  the ending of the webtoon. No, they change it again, right?
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  So so it was a frustrating pressure, so 50 God.
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  Me personally, I don't know if I would be as committed.
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  Did to a webtoon. That is, this genre know, it's
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  like a crime. Thriller action.
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  Come on. I don't mind that if they decide
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  to lean one way or the other, it would make a lot more sense and
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  it would be more of a continuous and actual believable story if
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  they commit to one rather than, you know, trying to straddle
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  both lines. Or even doing 7525.
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  In either direction, would probably make more sense like
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  having like an action thriller where there is a romantic
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  subplot, you know, would work or it's a romantic, you know, story
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  with this element of, you know, sci-fi or however you want to
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  label it, but this is very herky-jerky wishy-washy.
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  Unclear the glue yeah. What direction they want to go
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  in? Was there a character that you
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  were that you really connected with or where most invested in?
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  At any time? It was kind of hard to like
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  truly invest because I wasn't invested in the two main
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  characters, so that that made it hard to and there's this is very
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  like there's not a lot of cash to go with.
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  No, it's a very light cast. Yeah.
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  So you know who you're looking at from pretty much episode 1.
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  That's pretty much it. Yeah, Way Forward.
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  Yeah. So if, if I had to put it on
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  someone, maybe the dad, Who's the artist really?
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  I because he is an artist who is struggling like he has, you
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  know, an idea for what he wants to do with his tune, but the
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  world is of being affected. So everything that he does, he
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  is getting boarded. He's getting thwarted from his
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  vision, you know. So I Related to that.
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  Yeah, I sympathize with us or empathize sympathize.
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  I've been in situations where I've tried to create and I've
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  been through it myself so I can sympathize and empathize with
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  the dad, okay, with the dad. I know all characters.
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  I feel like I really connected with oil and Jew because she is
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  like the every girl, like she's not a very good doctor, no, it's
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  pretty average. The only thing she has going for
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  is her looks when she's not. 100 on either she's like I'm a
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  beauty like she's like very surprised that people find her
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  attractive so that's God but I really like how she is a
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  dreamer. Almost.
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  Hmm. And it's very slight that you
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  get this impression that she is kind of like a hopeless romantic
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  because she's so realistic. Of a personality like she's
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  like, you know, she feels like a real character.
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  Yes, she felt real in that sense where she wasn't Like, I don't
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  know, she came from a divorcee family, she's living with her
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  mom, and she doesn't get her. See her dad all the time, and
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  she's pretty, you know, at work, she's not very popular and she
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  has to like kowtow to her boss and stuff like that, that really
• 23:56
  kind of felt not non main character to me, right?
• 24:01
  So, I I liked her a lot in that sense and her reactions felt
• 24:06
  really genuine to me. I know you Did not like her
• 24:08
  acting denile his then that like case, he's acting as well, I'll
• 24:12
  call him Casey for cocktail. So I don't think you had any
• 24:16
  thoughts on chemistry because you already said you just didn't
• 24:19
  believe them. No, like it.
• 24:23
  There's one scene in particular that I'm just like, what the
• 24:26
  hell are they doing? Like it just didn't feel natural
• 24:30
  eye. It didn't feel.
• 24:32
  And we'll talk about it in spoilers if you want.
• 24:34
  Yeah, but yeah, like I was not so Old under Love Story.
• 24:38
  Okay? So talk about this in spoilers.
• 24:41
  Last thing before we get into spoilers OST, what do you think
• 24:44
  of those tea? I thought it was fine.
• 24:47
  I have a hard time gate. Oh you know what I did have one
• 24:50
  particular note though there were certain action moments that
• 24:54
  had the same theme that started out a certain way and like
• 24:59
  you'll recognize it if I do it it's like don't go
• 25:01
  doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo. Oh yeah.
• 25:05
  That is the very beginning of Danny.
• 25:08
  Elfman's version of Avengers from Avengers Age of Ultron.
• 25:12
  If you listen to it, it's the same exact starting your here.
• 25:19
  And you'll be like, oh my God, they rip them off the top.
• 25:23
  Danny Elfman your that very that beginning part?
• 25:25
  Yay. All right.
• 25:26
  Clearly. Wow, fine.
• 25:29
  So I found the OST, amazing. I thought it was unassailably
• 25:33
  good. I see, okay?
• 25:36
  I really enjoy that osce even to this day and I remember the
• 25:39
  first episode ending for my re-watch, I was like, oh shit.
• 25:45
  Fuck I forgot. Like how good the OST is on it.
• 25:48
  The centerpiece is this song, Where Are You by Jung joon-young
• 25:52
  and that was like, the, like breathy, like, song that they
• 26:00
  put at the end of every episode, every episode.
• 26:02
  Yeah, loved it. It's in my cage.
• 26:05
  I'm OSD Spotify playlist. I think that I was T, slaps.
• 26:12
  So we'll talk about major themes, more, qualms and
• 26:16
  nitpicks, and weak links. And we're just going to pick it
• 26:19
  apart in spoilers, right after this.
• 26:29
  You want to come in. All right, so we're going to
• 26:31
  talk about spoilers now. Rico, I want to come back to
• 26:34
  Ooh, this thing that you said you were talking about the
• 26:37
  Chemistry Between the leaves and you were like, there is this
• 26:40
  moment that I did not like, I thought they were stretching?
• 26:44
  Yes. Well, is that mode?
• 26:46
  Okay, so there's a moment, I can't remember exactly which
• 26:49
  episode, but it's kind of early on.
• 26:52
  There is a moment where they are in his apartment or his like
• 26:59
  sweet and like his friends are outside of the room and he has a
• 27:03
  gun. And he is trying to get answers
• 27:07
  right to what is going on, but there's clearly supposed to be
• 27:13
  like some type of, you know, something going on between them,
• 27:17
  some type of chemistry. Okay, yeah.
• 27:19
  You're supposed to try to believe that he is obviously
• 27:24
  trying to get answers but he trying to get to know her.
• 27:28
  Oh the bathroom scene bathroom. Yeah, it was the bathroom.
• 27:31
  It was about to shoot sir and he shoots her.
• 27:35
  But that's not that's not my qualms my qualms is not with the
• 27:38
  fact that he shoots her. Okay.
• 27:40
  What's the koala might calm is that I didn't find any of like
• 27:44
  their interaction as a believable thing that these two
• 27:48
  are going to end up together. Okay you didn't think they were
• 27:52
  going to end up together, it didn't feel like it.
• 27:55
  Like I know that the show and you know, they're trying to
• 27:58
  Telegraph that these two are going to end up together and
• 28:00
  every interaction happens to be them together and they're saving
• 28:04
  each. They're from different
• 28:05
  situations. But man did like their actual
• 28:09
  chemistry never had me, you know, really sold on the fact
• 28:16
  that all ya know, I could totally see them together.
• 28:18
  Okay, like so just never felt that way.
• 28:20
  Here's my thing is that in my second watch, I was looking for
• 28:24
  places where they seem to really connect and have great
• 28:28
  chemistry, their main queue, and all that stuff.
• 28:31
  And I still feel that The reason why I think they have great
• 28:37
  chemistry is not because they have great chemistry.
• 28:40
  It's because they're just too beautiful people caught up in
• 28:42
  this like Grand Story together and they are smushed together.
• 28:46
  Every chance that the story allows and they don't have like
• 28:51
  a moment where you're like oh that's when he fell in love with
• 28:53
  her. Oh, that's when she fell in love
• 28:55
  with him. And you know what I'm saying?
• 28:57
  There's always a moment were like that's it.
• 28:59
  Like they might hate each other or they might, you know, have no
• 29:03
  issues with each other. But That's the moment where you
• 29:07
  find that they're committed to each other for some reason or
• 29:10
  another and there was no, like, like moment in time where you're
• 29:15
  like, oh, I understand their commitment to each other, right?
• 29:21
  You know, he's she saves him at the very beginning from dying
• 29:23
  and you have a thought. It reminds me the premise is not
• 29:31
  the same but having two actors. Good looking actors that are
• 29:36
  pressed together and they're supposed to be a romantic
• 29:38
  interest in a movie and it just does not work as much as the
• 29:43
  plot is driving them to write. And that is there was a movie
• 29:47
  it's with Ashton Kutcher and Katherine Heigl.
• 29:52
  We're killers are believe or something like that.
• 29:55
  Where like somehow Ashton Kutcher's like some secrets.
• 29:57
  Bye. But the two of them good-looking
• 30:01
  people and the plot is forcing them together and like the plot
• 30:05
  is trying to make you believe like yeah these two are going to
• 30:08
  end up together because everything they do makes them
• 30:12
  you know romantically involved but you just don't buy it
• 30:15
  because those two together, it's like you're watching them on
• 30:18
  screen is like there's nothing there.
• 30:22
  I don't I do and I don't feel that way about this coupling of
• 30:27
  case. And you don't do the beginning
• 30:32
  where she saves him. She plunges like a pen into his
• 30:35
  chest and he like comes to comes like, they're like into motion.
• 30:41
  Just love option. He like lifts his body up and
• 30:44
  they're face-to-face. Really close to each other and
• 30:48
  I'm like, is that the moment they expect us to be like, oh
• 30:51
  yeah, they're going to try and like, do anything possible to be
• 30:55
  with this person moment. That's good.
• 30:57
  You're just like, oh my God, it's so abrupt and aggressive
• 31:01
  and like high stakes and there's no words exchanged between them.
• 31:06
  Like it's just this Visual and I think the the whole thing about
• 31:11
  this is like they're going for the visuals versus the substance
• 31:15
  of a real relationship where you have conversations and you have
• 31:20
  these moments of getting to know one another like he doesn't even
• 31:24
  know her really. And so if you guys like they're
• 31:27
  just Moving from set piece to set piece because the the show
• 31:31
  still has to go about its business, about being about a
• 31:35
  webtoon and the world being affected.
• 31:37
  So, it kind of feels like they're just moving from set
• 31:40
  pieces set piece, is that of having genuine interactions with
• 31:44
  each other. It hadn't made no sense to me
• 31:46
  why he was like after he comes to and he's in the hospital and
• 31:49
  his people are surrounding and he's like, find this girl, I
• 31:52
  believe she's the key to my life, she can help me find the
• 31:55
  reason for my existence and I'm like Why do you feel that way?
• 31:59
  Where did you get that? So, in my mind, I was like, that
• 32:03
  doesn't make any sense and, like logged it away, and it really,
• 32:07
  that's the reason the impetus for him, even summoning her to
• 32:11
  the world is that he's like, she has some kind of key.
• 32:14
  She's some sort of, she has the answers that I'm looking for and
• 32:21
  like it does not make any lick of sense.
• 32:24
  It does not know. I agree.
• 32:26
  No. So we were talking about the dad
• 32:29
  very briefly because you're connected with, you know, the
• 32:34
  dad in this at least a little bit.
• 32:36
  I found the first few episodes with the dad really upsetting
• 32:40
  for me because he is sadistic Glee happy while killing off
• 32:44
  Casey and his assistant was like, oh yeah, your dad.
• 32:49
  So sick and tired of drawing the same character for like almost a
• 32:52
  decade. You wanted to kill him off.
• 32:54
  Every fiber of his being and I was like, that's a lot.
• 32:59
  Like that's a lot to hand. Like that's your paycheck.
• 33:02
  Is this character, you know? Yes.
• 33:06
  And there were no complaints from the fans saying oh we want
• 33:10
  to end o. The quality is going down.
• 33:12
  Oh all this stuff like no it was just the dad.
• 33:15
  Having this idea that he is creation is a monster.
• 33:21
  And I'd rather be eaten. So I'd rather eat than be eaten
• 33:25
  or whatever, the the quote was on the back of that the
• 33:29
  postcard, or whatever. So, it is really a bizarre intro
• 33:36
  for the Dead It is passing judgment on his own creation, as
• 33:41
  a God, you know, how could I leave him as he is about to be
• 33:45
  consumed? Like why does the dad feel he's
• 33:48
  going to be consumed if it's like either it's him or me but
• 33:52
  why? You know, either slowly, get
• 33:55
  those flashbacks of like, when cangzhou, like really started
• 33:59
  rebelling against his vision, the Creator's vision for the
• 34:02
  story, these were very micro aggressions, you know, yes, the
• 34:08
  holes trajectory of the story changed but it wasn't like there
• 34:12
  was a threat to the Creator at any point.
• 34:15
  No. So that wasn't, so that was very
• 34:18
  confusing for me. So I think maybe this is just
• 34:23
  like putting Like my fake Psychiatry hat or something,
• 34:27
  okay, but there are times where I think a lot of people who have
• 34:32
  created something eventually, get tired of having to
• 34:39
  continuously, do the same thing for that creation, instead of
• 34:43
  being able to innovate and create new things.
• 34:46
  You get this a lot with with people who write music and then
• 34:52
  have to perform the same. A song over and over and it's
• 34:55
  not even sometimes like their greatest creation.
• 34:59
  Sometimes it's like something that they came up with, that was
• 35:01
  just good enough and then it just took off and like the fan
• 35:06
  response for the webtoon, you know, people love the character
• 35:09
  and this and that but the creators like shit, this is not
• 35:14
  all that I want to do in my life.
• 35:15
  There's other things or other creations.
• 35:18
  I want to dive into so I can understand him wanting to be
• 35:23
  like, okay. I'm kind of done with that.
• 35:25
  Now I want to move past that I think it's lengthy TV actors.
• 35:29
  Yeah II totally understand the idea of wanting to quit this
• 35:36
  really monotonous life, right? Creating the same thing over and
• 35:41
  over again and it's not even what you consider your best
• 35:44
  work. Obviously, I don't completely
• 35:45
  understand that. I understand the concept of
• 35:50
  characters especially in literature feeling like they
• 35:54
  have a lot of agency over their own stories and then the Creator
• 35:58
  or the rider is just the mouthpiece.
• 36:01
  And they're like, well she wants to go on an adventure so I had
• 36:04
  to write another book like things they say.
• 36:06
  Shit like that like writers are constantly like yeah well I
• 36:10
  didn't think that she should have gotten with this guy but
• 36:13
  you know, it was her decision and you're like if you created
• 36:17
  the character you're the one writing.
• 36:20
  And what is this, you're the one that decided or decides.
• 36:24
  Yeah there's other ones not so the other way around and that
• 36:27
  respect, I totally understand where the show was going when it
• 36:32
  had this really interesting relationship between Casey and
• 36:36
  the Creator, the dad. But the reason and I'll get to
• 36:42
  this. Now why I thought Jordan peels
• 36:44
  us was a big reminder for me, is that the villain ends up being
• 36:50
  in control of the Creator. And they end up Eating these
• 36:54
  Twisted Twins. Doppelgangers, one is a shadow
• 36:58
  puppet. Correct.
• 37:01
  And that reminded me a lot of Jordan people's us.
• 37:03
  We're like the people from underneath are at the mercy of
• 37:08
  their doppelganger up above living their life as if nothing
• 37:11
  is happening. So, that was was a really
• 37:17
  interesting concept and again, the show is just so interesting
• 37:21
  to think about and Ponder the execution of these Twisted
• 37:26
  Twins. Do we want to talk about it?
• 37:27
  Because that is a major spoiler for the show and how Yeah, where
• 37:33
  it ends up being that the villains of the show, take over
• 37:35
  the world and become essentially, the main characters
• 37:39
  of the show and the anonymous faceless villain that killed,
• 37:46
  Casey's whole entire family or family had no face to begin
• 37:51
  with. And I understand that from like
• 37:53
  a writer's creators perspective that you just wanted a device,
• 37:58
  right? To a amp up the story and give
• 38:01
  the hero a reason to become a hero and go on this, hero's
• 38:05
  journey. But the problem with that
• 38:07
  particular device is that you be you make it into a mystery now,
• 38:12
  right? Like you made the whole mystery,
• 38:15
  the KC in the man wants started like the TV show.
• 38:20
  W to figure out like who killed his whole family and frame them
• 38:24
  for it, right? Because something about
• 38:27
  storytelling is you cannot introduce Something engines
• 38:31
  story unless there is going to be a resolution or pay off AKA
• 38:36
  chekov's gun. That is like the number one like
• 38:40
  reference for people. And if you don't know what that
• 38:43
  means, chekhov's gun is a story by check off.
• 38:48
  He wrote that. If there is a gun that is shown
• 38:53
  or placed in a story. In the First Act, it has to be
• 38:57
  fired by the third act. So that means that if Something
• 39:00
  is placed in the story. It has to have a purpose in a
• 39:03
  resolution by the end. So, putting in that device
• 39:07
  there, like a faceless man, like, who was the initial, you
• 39:12
  know, response or basically, the reason why everything starts
• 39:16
  going, well, he's not going to be faceless by the end, right?
• 39:19
  He shouldn't be Faceless Men, shouldn't be.
• 39:21
  So, you know, if if him, as a writer is like going in there
• 39:25
  and be like, well, no, he's just a catalyst for getting
• 39:27
  everything started know, people are going to be like know who is
• 39:29
  that? Who Who is the man we need to
• 39:32
  know. So so for the fact that that I
• 39:37
  understand it but at the same time I'm like that's stupid as
• 39:39
  shit. Yes.
• 39:41
  So the rest of the how he resolves this issue to, you know
• 39:46
  if Casey is trapped by his own predetermined you know set
• 39:51
  course and because of the way that he was designed, he's
• 39:55
  always going to be looking for this killer and will not have
• 39:59
  peace. Until he finds this killer.
• 40:01
  Then give him a face. Give them an identity so that I
• 40:04
  can find him in the world. That was Casey's whole thing.
• 40:06
  When He confronted the dad Creator, the dad creator gives
• 40:11
  the Assassin, his own face rights and in turn the villain
• 40:20
  the serial killer. If you will Steals the Dad's
• 40:26
  face and the dad goes, maybe, I don't know, six seven episodes,
• 40:30
  wooden no face. The killer steals his face.
• 40:37
  I found that so gruesome. I completely forgot.
• 40:41
  Again, I've only remember the first Eight Episodes.
• 40:43
  So when this happened and the assistant, his Apprentice find
• 40:47
  some faceless. I freak the hell out.
• 40:51
  It's like, oh my God. That's right.
• 40:55
  What are you shaking your head? No, I'm just saying.
• 40:58
  Like, like it's dumb. Like it's dumb.
• 41:04
  Like no lie. It's Like dumbest shit.
• 41:07
  It really is like they thought about you know, something like
• 41:11
  face off or you know like or even Buffalo Bill from like
• 41:15
  Silence of the Lambs like, huh. Someone face and wearing their
• 41:19
  faces a good. That's not great idea by episode
• 41:23
  10, you have this like villain saying things like you are me
• 41:26
  and I am you and like, it's a weird curse or just a
• 41:30
  declaration that they're linked because they have the same face.
• 41:36
  You know, the villain has his own Awakening / Rebellion
• 41:41
  against the Creator. And now that the villain is in
• 41:44
  control of the world, through the Creator.
• 41:47
  Like it was completely reminded me of us with the tables, get
• 41:50
  turned in that same, right? And you have the, you know, the
• 41:54
  doppelganger is From Below or the other way around.
• 41:58
  But anyway, like the ones below are the ones that come up to
• 42:01
  like make themselves revealed and known and yeah, have their
• 42:04
  own agency. So yeah, that was really tough
• 42:10
  for me. And then the dad just can't
• 42:13
  really out paste the villain and his desires, even once the
• 42:18
  villain gets killed. Like, yes, he gets his face
• 42:21
  back, but now he gets all the villains memories and it's like
• 42:24
  weird. Like what it?
• 42:26
  Where's that written? That no rules.
• 42:28
  There's no rule to a thank-you. They'll rats.
• 42:31
  That was my biggest thing. Like, I understand, if the world
• 42:35
  can be affected by everything that he's doing outside of the
• 42:38
  world, but like, for memories to be inserted, and like, you know,
• 42:44
  like you like physical consequences didn't really make
• 42:48
  sense, because the rules weren't well, Established mmm-hmm, I
• 42:54
  didn't like how everyone started being able to summon these
• 42:57
  portals to get around God, that pissed me off.
• 43:01
  Like I was like going. So anyone could do this, right?
• 43:05
  Yeah. Anyone who had anything can make
• 43:07
  some in like a weapon and if any, they can just like maybe
• 43:11
  not summon it but like there is a Creator on the other end
• 43:14
  that's like doing it for know but like it basically was
• 43:17
  summoning because Lee Zhang's Sir.
• 43:20
  Casey, like I one point in the later episodes I think it was
• 43:24
  episode 15, he's in handcuffs and this sucker not only imagine
• 43:30
  the handcuffs off like he like imagines a key to take off the
• 43:34
  handcuffs and then imagines a gun materializing out of nowhere
• 43:38
  and so no he didn't know that. That was the dad that was that
• 43:42
  you're right. So slow like here I'll that one.
• 43:45
  Was it again if this we had record this a week later I
• 43:49
  wouldn't I would have totally forgotten.
• 43:50
  This. But what happened was he was in
• 43:52
  the game for a year because it's the final episode.
• 43:54
  He can't teleport out back into the real world too because it's
• 43:59
  making him live it out in the game up in the McCormick.
• 44:02
  I keep thinking he's making them live out the door.
• 44:05
  The world construct is making him live it out, so he lived a
• 44:09
  year in jail and just when they, when he thought it was all all
• 44:13
  over the dad, who was also stuck in the game for a year?
• 44:19
  Got out of his mental institution by killing a nurse,
• 44:22
  and went to the secret hideout, where he hid another copy of
• 44:26
  the. What's it called?
• 44:31
  It's the tablet, normal tablet. And then he started drawing
• 44:34
  should in to loot the world. And so, he drew him out of the
• 44:37
  cat handcuffs, gave him a gun, helped him Escape drama car, and
• 44:43
  then let him to where he was in this, you know, it looked just
• 44:48
  like the house in real life, but it was a safe house in the
• 44:52
  world, right? So again, like it still doesn't
• 44:57
  make a ton of sense. Like, why, why was the Dead?
• 45:00
  Dad and cangzhou like stuck in the game for a year.
• 45:05
  And in the rebels makes two months, it was like that doesn't
• 45:09
  make sense. I, there's a lot, there's so
• 45:12
  much. They bring, they bring home grow
• 45:14
  back to back to life, Jung Joo. She dies in the money.
• 45:18
  She dies. My favorite part.
• 45:21
  My favorite part was when they were like oh we performed CPR on
• 45:24
  her for over 30 minutes and it's not looking very good.
• 45:27
  She's kind of brain dead. And I was like you performed CPR
• 45:31
  on her for over 30 minutes like what did you expect?
• 45:35
  Did you continue doing CPR? For 30 minutes?
• 45:37
  I thought it's like, there must be a cut-off, like, if they're
• 45:39
  doing CPR. Hell after I never have, you're
• 45:41
  just like, yeah, like Scott. Let's call him.
• 45:46
  So I thought that was just ridiculous as well.
• 45:51
  Like I said, the the cloning of the tablet in and out of the
• 45:56
  game, the world was such a cop-out, it really was because
• 46:03
  then anything can Be changed at any given time.
• 46:06
  And that doesn't really make for a fun device, like it opens up
• 46:11
  the world to whatever you want it to be, but it breaks the
• 46:15
  rules of the story and that's no fun because then any kin thing
• 46:21
  can happen. And then you're just like well
• 46:23
  Arthur Stakes are the stakes real enough where characters are
• 46:29
  actually in danger, right? And so that, that's the problem
• 46:34
  with something like Yeah, I think that the most interesting
• 46:39
  part of the story was that they were constantly testing the
• 46:43
  waters and trying to get characters to go against their
• 46:47
  nature and find their own agency outside of the Creator's wishes
• 46:51
  and outside of the Creator's Vision, which is what Casey was
• 46:54
  trying to do the whole time. But Zoe his assistant in the
• 47:00
  world, she also was like on the verge of Disappearing because
• 47:06
  she outlived her purpose within the game started disappearing.
• 47:10
  You know, that whole thing and at the end, her the same thing
• 47:15
  happens, where she like, outlives her purpose, she gets
• 47:17
  fired, she moves on, and that's the difference is that she
• 47:21
  manages to start a life beyond her predetermined fate.
• 47:25
  And I think that was really profound, especially, for a
• 47:29
  female characters. Do it first, yes.
• 47:32
  And for her to be like, yeah, I was overseas.
• 47:34
  These what's going on with Casey like it was like very much.
• 47:39
  I'm nice resolution for that character.
• 47:42
  She actually had an arc to her, you know, all of the other
• 47:46
  characters like Casey and young Soo would jeonju, they don't
• 47:50
  really have an arc. They are the same as when these
• 47:54
  are the same they don't really change.
• 47:57
  No they don't, they don't change which kind of sucks.
• 48:00
  As I feel its characters that you're watching.
• 48:02
  The only characters that do change our like the Creator
• 48:05
  character. He has a really, really crazy
• 48:08
  Arc and so and so we as well. She changes by the end, you're
• 48:13
  right. Yeah.
• 48:14
  It's very independent and has her own thing and she doesn't
• 48:17
  need Casey to live in this world that that's a big problem with
• 48:21
  characters. There's something you'll notice
• 48:24
  here in American TV shows that will happen with you.
• 48:29
  See it a lot on comedies especially where characters they
• 48:35
  have minimal growth early on in the show and then they just stop
• 48:40
  changing and then the writers just keep writing the same story
• 48:44
  and jokes over and over for that character and the character
• 48:47
  doesn't change anymore, right? And so that's when shows be
• 48:50
  start to become stale. You don't have anything
• 48:53
  interesting to do with the character and the character Arc
• 48:57
  and that's probably why I liked the first Eight Episodes is that
• 49:00
  it felt the most cohesive, and you had the story.
• 49:03
  Constantly, surprising them and pushing them into really
• 49:08
  precarious situations. And after that, you can't just
• 49:12
  get away with that for the rest of the show.
• 49:14
  Like, no, they just, that's what they did.
• 49:15
  They tried to still keep with that formula, but at the halfway
• 49:19
  point, you should start to see some growth in the characters.
• 49:22
  And you should definitely start to see some character arcs and
• 49:25
  we were not getting that for as our main two people especially
• 49:30
  with a show that only last 16 episodes because this is not an
• 49:34
  American show. This is not something that's
• 49:36
  going to go on for Seasons, right?
• 49:38
  So you have to make sure that you establish an arc that is
• 49:43
  different enough from the beginning point.
• 49:45
  If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work.
• 49:47
  And then you you stall out on a character and that that is never
• 49:51
  good. So, did you have any nitpicks
• 49:54
  about the show? I think I'm labeled down a lot
• 50:00
  of the things that I didn't like.
• 50:01
  So I don't know if I would say, nitpicks, as much as just issues
• 50:05
  with the show. Okay.
• 50:06
  Because Niblick nitpicks would more imply that I like the show.
• 50:12
  But here's a little thing that maybe I didn't like or whatever,
• 50:16
  so I have no fixed. Maybe sometimes will trigger
• 50:19
  some of yours in the back of your mind.
• 50:21
  So the in the episode for Casey says, As in his world.
• 50:27
  What do I do? If I got what do I become?
• 50:29
  If I get stabbed by a woman because the reporters are
• 50:33
  insinuating. That Jung Joo is the one that
• 50:36
  stabbed him is like the person that nearly killed him, even
• 50:40
  though it's not true, there's no evidence all this stuff.
• 50:43
  And he says this like what would become if I get stopped by a
• 50:46
  woman which is a misogynistic statement.
• 50:49
  Yeah. But that really leans into how
• 50:53
  women are viewed. Like, she's not You know someone
• 50:57
  who's not a threat right ABS me like what a what does that make
• 51:01
  me? I'm like right that it's all
• 51:03
  about insinuating about their manhood and stuff like that but
• 51:06
  yeah I didn't like that there was too much lip nose and Chin
• 51:10
  quivering from KC too much. Yeah, this is not an epic but it
• 51:18
  goes. I think in this category, the
• 51:20
  scene of yeongju getting sucked back into the comic and
• 51:25
  underwater. Water.
• 51:27
  Was so that was so cool. They must have flooded the set
• 51:30
  or something because she's like on the phone talking to somebody
• 51:34
  and then all of a sudden she can't hear them and then like
• 51:36
  boom she's like in the water. Yeah they were surprising some
• 51:40
  tub thing that would like CGI or not even see chime maybe it was
• 51:44
  different thing but yeah, that was pretty cool.
• 51:46
  I don't think they covered in this is an epic.
• 51:48
  Why was she such a great artist? Like all of a sudden, the
• 51:55
  assistant, The Apprentice is Oh, I heard this thing.
• 51:58
  Once said, your dad took the concept for Casey from you and
• 52:03
  your drawings, from when you were a teenager like you
• 52:05
  basically thought him up and he's your creation.
• 52:09
  So you're also like a Creator. God.
• 52:12
  And then she's like, what? And like immediately is amazing
• 52:15
  at drawing. So my question was, I'm trying
• 52:19
  to remember what episode that this happening.
• 52:21
  Do you remember this episode 70? That is too late to be
• 52:25
  introducing that. An introduction to that we're
• 52:30
  like, you know, she was also in the whole Artistry should have
• 52:34
  been in the first two episodes, episode 7.
• 52:37
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:39
  She was like, what kind of feels like they forgot.
• 52:42
  Like they, you know, we need a way for her to be able to draw
• 52:46
  to hmm, and they didn't think of it early enough and they were
• 52:50
  like, oh, what if we make it that Casey was like, her dream
• 52:54
  guy. She was the one that he was.
• 52:57
  And that created it like you couldn't tell us that an episode
• 53:00
  to like that. That's the better place to it
• 53:03
  have that. But or just have her at least be
• 53:06
  doodling or something in her off time and she's very good cute.
• 53:09
  Yeah show us show us, don't tell us.
• 53:12
  So anyway that was really annoying.
• 53:15
  There were so many shopping sprees.
• 53:16
  That is a very kdrama thing to do.
• 53:19
  It's dead. Take the main girls.
• 53:20
  Those are the moments. I was just like, okay, let's
• 53:23
  make it was too much like too much about Of a thing.
• 53:29
  There was a scene in episode 7 where she is asleep and she
• 53:33
  falls out of bed. While she's sleeping, she's
• 53:35
  fully dressed and the outfit looks like Dorothy from Wizard
• 53:39
  of Oz, but all the lights are on and it's bright as hell in the
• 53:45
  room. And I'm like, how the hell was
• 53:49
  she asleep? When it looks like noon out in
• 53:52
  this room. It's just really stupid.
• 53:57
  The dad took an 18 hour flight to New Zealand and flew.
• 53:59
  Coach get out. Get out of here bro.
• 54:03
  You should have been a first-class should have had
• 54:06
  champagne. Like he was a famous cartoonist.
• 54:11
  Definitely had them royalties coming in had his own production
• 54:15
  house like no he was not like oldest easily been flying at
• 54:19
  least business class. Yeah so that was very annoying.
• 54:25
  Did you like When she brought the comic into the world and
• 54:29
  that's how Casey realize that he's in a comic a second time.
• 54:38
  It's like, oh my God. I feel like Then it's just
• 54:47
  breaking too much of the of the world.
• 54:50
  You know, like Casey summons the killer into the real world by
• 54:56
  thinking about him, bro. Nah like summoning, the kill it.
• 55:00
  No man seemed like all of that summoning stuff is ridiculous.
• 55:04
  Okay, like so just breaks the world, it does it have enough.
• 55:08
  Unlike the first time you're like shocked, like, whoa, like
• 55:12
  they're doing this, but then any other time after that is just
• 55:15
  like wait a minute but they could just do whatever they want
• 55:18
  now. Hmm.
• 55:19
  Last thing. The famous prison visitation
• 55:22
  kiss. I feel like this is a famous
• 55:24
  kiss. And here.
• 55:27
  Yeah, I would say this is a pretty okay, well, known case
• 55:31
  where she goes. I love you for the third time
• 55:33
  and that's a running thing where he's like if she tells it to be
• 55:36
  one more time, I think we'll fall for her and she doesn't.
• 55:40
  What is this like Peter with the three crows before the rooster
• 55:45
  crows three times. You will deny me three times.
• 55:49
  Except you'll tell me. I love you three times and the
• 55:52
  third time is the charm. So Yeah, he's she makes him his
• 55:58
  heart stirs or whatever the to be continued, like Scribble
• 56:01
  comes up. Yeah, and then she pops out and
• 56:04
  Pops right back in and she's like why do you keep sending me
• 56:10
  back into this world or whatever?
• 56:11
  You can think you give me? And he says, I was afraid, I
• 56:15
  would never see you again and then boom, this are making out
• 56:18
  in the visitation room, that's very famous.
• 56:22
  Gotcha, I don't know what's it, like, you have no reaction.
• 56:25
  You're just like, okay, you know what it is.
• 56:31
  I do not have the same sensibility when it comes to
• 56:34
  romantic stuff as people watching kdramas because from
• 56:41
  what I gather and again this is only my force is your fourth
• 56:45
  one. So, I can't, I can't be upset at
• 56:48
  you for being, like, whatever about something.
• 56:50
  That's actually quite impressive about a show especially when it
• 56:55
  comes to physical stuff. Like you're just like, yeah,
• 57:00
  they were kissing. Yeah, they know.
• 57:03
  Like like I understand if this was like they're like first
• 57:07
  kiss, like that. Really.
• 57:09
  And it's not even because they do kiss before that like yeah
• 57:13
  just randomly in moments, but I guess the sensibility coming
• 57:18
  from the western side here. Yes.
• 57:21
  That when there is like that moment of love like in a premise
• 57:26
  of a show that's similar to this.
• 57:28
  Let's say there's a build up to that There is like flirtation
• 57:33
  and then there's like, you know, there's like physical moment and
• 57:37
  then they're like, climactic moment is where like the kiss
• 57:42
  happens. A lot of the things that I
• 57:45
  noticed that people get, you know, kind of hyped for on
• 57:49
  Korean shows are like things that would never get talked
• 57:55
  about it all in an American show like oh they they held hands and
• 57:59
  it's like cool. Like the why is that beautif
• 58:03
  heard? Me and Miguel told ya.
• 58:06
  He dramas and were like, yeah, joking about risk, grabs and
• 58:09
  piggyback rides, and shit like that.
• 58:10
  And it's deep. And it's real.
• 58:12
  Like, when you're in it, you're just like you have a timer in
• 58:17
  your head. You're like okay by episode 10
• 58:20
  if it's a romance drama or you have a couple they're going to
• 58:23
  kiss by episode 10 and if they don't kiss people get upset and
• 58:29
  they don't kiss at all in the show.
• 58:31
  People get pissed, people get, you know and imagine what and
• 58:34
  people judge the kisses and like, it's very common for their
• 58:37
  be tight-lipped kisses and pecs and things that are really not
• 58:41
  satisfying to see especially when you're invested in the
• 58:44
  couple. And in this case, you had like a
• 58:48
  full-on makeout session and it was like, great.
• 58:51
  But in other shows, I swear to you.
• 58:54
  I swear it is hard out there. It's very difficult to find a
• 58:59
  show that has a great couple that also has really good.
• 59:04
  Skinship is like the term skinship and you're laughing at
• 59:08
  me. And that's fine.
• 59:09
  That's fine. I know this people listening.
• 59:12
  I know that people listening will understand what I'm saying,
• 59:16
  especially if you've gotten this far into my review of w but
• 59:21
  yeah, II know that that scene. Has made the rounds and it it is
• 59:26
  something fair enough. I'm pretty sure that among
• 59:31
  Korean shows. That that is a big deal.
• 59:33
  That's a huge moment. You just didn't clock for me.
• 59:37
  It doesn't even show up as a blip on like, oh yeah.
• 59:40
  Yeah. Like for me it's just like, oh,
• 59:41
  they guess. Like like they like each other,
• 59:44
  they love each other but like it's not like, oh my God, they
• 59:48
  kissed know. Like for me it's NeNe.
• 59:50
  I would say that the general reaction to Kissing scenes is
• 59:55
  like a touchdown in football like you're just like yes, I did
• 59:59
  it happen. Oh wow.
• 1:00:01
  That is the general reaction. I would say.
• 1:00:06
  Wow, that is a completely different reaction.
• 1:00:09
  Then you're just like Western find whatever like they're
• 1:00:12
  kissing. Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  Or or in a show or something, maybe you'll be like, hey, they
• 1:00:18
  got together. Hey, look at that or, you know,
• 1:00:21
  or if it's something that's very odd.
• 1:00:23
  Obviously Telegraph. Like they're leading to it and
• 1:00:26
  you know and it's like, there we go, finally, you know, but never
• 1:00:31
  like there is an expectation. Like you know, I'll give you an
• 1:00:36
  example of 11 show here in the United States where people were
• 1:00:42
  waiting. Waiting waiting waiting waiting
• 1:00:43
  or two shows actually. And it's shows that we've
• 1:00:48
  mentioned that either. We don't like or whatever.
• 1:00:50
  But like, the show Friends, for example.
• 1:00:53
  Yeah. Ross and Rachel, like the
• 1:00:56
  build-up was so big that when they finally had their first
• 1:01:00
  kiss, like people went nuts. Well, they imagine that for I
• 1:01:04
  mean, not, I'm not saying it's friends level frenzy, you don't
• 1:01:07
  know, I know, but like that enthusiasm for the moment, yes,
• 1:01:12
  right? No, I get it.
• 1:01:13
  But the thing is that, it's so rare here in the United States
• 1:01:16
  because the only other example, I can think of would be on the
• 1:01:20
  office with Jim and Pam. Yes.
• 1:01:23
  That was another thing that people were like is it going to
• 1:01:26
  happen, man? Just the build-up build-up, but
• 1:01:29
  not every show has that. Not every show has like
• 1:01:33
  characters that you're just like they need to end up together.
• 1:01:36
  They and you're just like aggressively waiting for it type
• 1:01:39
  of thing. Okay, so that's why.
• 1:01:42
  When it happens here it's rare it's like it's a rare moment in
• 1:01:46
  Western shows. Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  But for in Korean shows, it's kind of like it's an
• 1:01:51
  expectation, not only that it needs.
• 1:01:53
  Happened. But there's the satisfaction of
• 1:01:56
  it finally happening. Wow, it's like once it finally
• 1:01:59
  happens, then you judge how good it was right, right, right.
• 1:02:03
  That's what I'm trying to get across.
• 1:02:06
  So I don't think we've ranked are given our rankings yet.
• 1:02:09
  We I'm going to change things up a little bit.
• 1:02:12
  We usually do the letterbox rating, which is five stars and
• 1:02:16
  we do have stars, right? However, we now have a logo.
• 1:02:20
  We are recording this so far in advance that we didn't.
• 1:02:23
  Have a logo and now that it's created.
• 1:02:26
  There's a Soju bottle in our logo.
• 1:02:28
  And so, how many Soju bottles, would you give the show out of
• 1:02:33
  five Soju bottles? I would give it to Soju.
• 1:02:37
  Please Okay let me calm down to yeah no half star.
• 1:02:46
  Nothing just to no no no I don't need another drink like to is
• 1:02:50
  fine, we're good, I'm gonna call it a night too.
• 1:02:54
  So Jewel box. Okay, I'm gonna give it I'm
• 1:03:00
  going to give it for Nostalgia sake. 3.
• 1:03:02
  Soju bottles out of 5. Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Okay. Middle of the road.
• 1:03:09
  Got it. Yeah, I was pretty upset about a
• 1:03:11
  lot of things as you could already tell, but I'm going to
• 1:03:14
  go with three, which is a safe bet.
• 1:03:17
  If you had asked me this in 2016, I put it would have put
• 1:03:22
  maybe three and a half or four got it.
• 1:03:24
  But again, you're revisiting everything lens.
• 1:03:27
  Different lens, few years of podcasting and movie reviews
• 1:03:32
  under my belt. And I have more Different kdrama
• 1:03:37
  palate than I did back then and I feel like I can just
• 1:03:40
  articulate a little better. What I didn't like and what's an
• 1:03:43
  issue with a show? So three for me, two for you
• 1:03:48
  correct. I think that's a wrap on W.
• 1:03:50
  Oh my God. Good Lord.
• 1:03:55
  So let me let me ask you this, okay.
• 1:03:57
  And maybe maybe you know it, maybe you don't but did you know
• 1:04:03
  that W is coming to the United States?
• 1:04:07
  What do you mean? So in April, what are you saying
• 1:04:10
  this year? A couple months ago, we go I'm
• 1:04:12
  not prepared for this. The Masked Singer executive
• 1:04:15
  producer Craig pledis are plastic.
• 1:04:17
  Sorry has basically bought the rights for the Korean
• 1:04:22
  Supernatural. Format W, Two Worlds for CBS
• 1:04:26
  Studios know. So they are going to make that
• 1:04:29
  show here in America. I'm like buzzing, they just and,
• 1:04:35
  you know, they describe the premise of the Same show 30.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah, pretty much to a tee. So they don't have like anyone
• 1:04:44
  going, but this is the same guy who has, you know, bought and
• 1:04:50
  sold different scripts that have been made into American shows,
• 1:04:54
  like the good doctor. Apparently that was a Korean
• 1:04:57
  show that got made in is and that's in its fourth season
• 1:05:01
  leash. It, there's a TV ad app.
• 1:05:04
  I didn't even realize site is coming to Bo.
• 1:05:07
  Yes. I know about that.
• 1:05:09
  You know he's the one that took the concept of Masked Singer
• 1:05:13
  brought it over here so he is been, he's mining cake.
• 1:05:18
  Oh yeah, entertaining K entertainment and so now he's
• 1:05:21
  going into scripted television and bringing stuff over and so
• 1:05:25
  w, Two Worlds is coming to America through CBS Studios.
• 1:05:31
  I I'm shocked. Does that?
• 1:05:35
  Wait, does that mean we have to watch it?
• 1:05:37
  We I mean, watch it. We, I think we should watch that
• 1:05:40
  unique Harrison. Yes.
• 1:05:42
  We have a unique position here that we've watched.
• 1:05:45
  Okay drama. We'll see when that comes out
• 1:05:50
  because obviously they just announced it a couple months
• 1:05:52
  ago. So maybe we'll start getting
• 1:05:54
  like, announcements of, you know, casting and all that
• 1:05:58
  coming soon. But for now, we know that it's
• 1:06:01
  coming, my love is just dropped, like still in shock.
• 1:06:06
  I want to be surprised. You know what I?
• 1:06:08
  I said the same thing or I said this about signal, this would be
• 1:06:15
  very interesting. It's a very good show and we
• 1:06:18
  talked about it already. If you haven't heard it, go back
• 1:06:21
  in the podcast feed and, and listen to that episode about
• 1:06:24
  signal. I would love to see what an
• 1:06:28
  American version would look like.
• 1:06:30
  Right, you know, like would they Would they, you know, do the
• 1:06:34
  same exact thing or would they play around a little more with
• 1:06:37
  time, you know, or something like that?
• 1:06:39
  So, you know, it's a cool thing that they're seeing what's going
• 1:06:45
  on in Korea with their entertainment.
• 1:06:47
  It's a, it's think, you know, let's let's try it.
• 1:06:50
  Let's try it over here, it's a wave, it's a wave music, human
• 1:06:55
  comes, huge TV, movies like Korean entertainment, and I'm
• 1:07:00
  sure that, you know, besides Ed's Boys Over Flowers, you're
• 1:07:03
  feeling like the production values of these are just.
• 1:07:06
  The production values are much better and it's 2016 as well,
• 1:07:13
  right, 2016. Another that the problem is not
• 1:07:18
  how they look. They look good.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah, you know, you know outside of like fashionable stuff from
• 1:07:24
  like Boys Over Flowers but that's an old show at this
• 1:07:26
  point. Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  But no the production values are good.
• 1:07:31
  It's just I have problems, a lot of times so far outside of
• 1:07:36
  signal, with a lot of the plot stuff, where a lot of the script
• 1:07:39
  stuff. Yeah, that's where I have my
• 1:07:41
  Hang-Ups on. So, hopefully the next show that
• 1:07:47
  we do, yes, we'll have like, either, you know, plots or, you
• 1:07:52
  know, some stuff that I really enjoy.
• 1:07:54
  I am trying to do my best not to repeat main actors.
• 1:07:59
  Oh okay. And so if you seen an actor
• 1:08:02
  before, we're not going to do another show with that same
• 1:08:05
  actor in this season one, at least in this season.
• 1:08:08
  One, I feel like I'm trying to get the most diversity in terms
• 1:08:13
  of like the show's in the plots. And oh, this one had
• 1:08:16
  Supernatural Fantastical elements.
• 1:08:17
  And so the next one won't or this one had a lot of Romance.
• 1:08:21
  The next one won't. So I'm trying to be as Fair as
• 1:08:25
  possible because I know my kdrama tastes are.
• 1:08:29
  Not the same as your kdrama taste is very obvious in four
• 1:08:33
  episodes deep that we are not not the same as far as what we
• 1:08:40
  like in in the world of K entertainment.
• 1:08:43
  But I'm hoping that the next you will find a winner again like we
• 1:08:47
  did for signal and the scores will go higher, the Soju will
• 1:08:55
  flow. Alright, anything else you?
• 1:08:59
  It's add, that was a crazy. I'm still reeling America.
• 1:09:02
  I know that's going to be all from me, okay.
• 1:09:06
  All right. Well, thank you for listening
• 1:09:08
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• 1:09:11
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• 1:09:14
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• 1:09:19
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• 1:09:21
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• 1:09:24
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• 1:09:29
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