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Wired To Hunt Podcast #169: Timing the Whitetail Rut, Mock Scrapes, Grunt Calls, Holyfield and More · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number one six
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Speaker 1: nine and to the show. We're answering listener questions and
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Speaker 1: we're covering topics such as the timing of the rut, decoin,
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Speaker 1: white tails, trail camera setups, mock scrapes, using grunt calls,
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Speaker 1: recommended reading, and much much more. All Right, welcome to
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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sitka Gear.
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Speaker 1: And say in the show, we have got a whole
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Speaker 1: slew of different topics that we're gonna be covering, because
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Speaker 1: over the next hour or two we're gonna be one
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Speaker 1: of those episodes where we tackle listener questions. Um. I
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Speaker 1: mentioned before, but I get hundreds of emails and messages
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Speaker 1: and tweets and instagram d ms asking me this question
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Speaker 1: or that question, and I unfortunately have a hard time
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Speaker 1: stand up on them. So my hope with an episode
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Speaker 1: like this today is that we can answer some of
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Speaker 1: those questions and do it a way. Though that doesn't
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Speaker 1: just help one single person, but that can help a
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of different people that might be curious about
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Speaker 1: the same thing. So we've got questions we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: talking about today related to the timing of the rut,
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Speaker 1: and all sorts of stuff related to the rut, things
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Speaker 1: related to mock scrapes, trail cameras, book recommendations, and all
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Speaker 1: sorts of stuff in in between that all over the place.
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Speaker 1: So lots of good stuff. But before we get to
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Speaker 1: all that, we've got a couple of things. We have
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Speaker 1: some interesting updates, some interesting news. But that's gonna wait
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Speaker 1: for one more a few more minutes, because in addition
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Speaker 1: to Dan and I, we've got another member of the
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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt team with us today. You've heard his silky,
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Speaker 1: smooth baritone voice each week during our during our six
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Speaker 1: Stories and our White Tailed Properties segments. This is our
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Speaker 1: one and only producer, Mr Spencer new Hearth. Welcome the show. Spencer, Hey,
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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. But now I'm really nervous about
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Speaker 1: what hazing might take place that kind of intro. You're screwed, buddy.
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Speaker 1: The only reason I'm here is to throw you under
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Speaker 1: the bus, just so we're clear. Oh man, that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: But but Spencer, I wanted you to join us today
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Speaker 1: because this week, as you know, and as some people
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Speaker 1: might already know, we have launched our first RUT Radio
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Speaker 1: episode of two thousand seventeen. And for some of you listening,
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Speaker 1: maybe you've already seen this pop up in your podcast feed,
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Speaker 1: or maybe you're familiar with RUT Radio from last year.
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Speaker 1: But basically, this is a mini series that we're running
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Speaker 1: through Wired to Hunt during the season, and Spencer here
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Speaker 1: is the one who's putting those shows together. So what
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Speaker 1: do you think, Spencer? Can you give us a quick
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Speaker 1: kind of overview of what radio is. If someone hasn't
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Speaker 1: heard one of these minis, one of these episodes, yet,
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Speaker 1: what is it all about? What are we doing well?
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Speaker 1: For starters? The episodes are short, so you're not going
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Speaker 1: to get exhausted listening to them like they do YouTube
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Speaker 1: during regular episodes. These only ago. These only go like
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes, UM, and within that thirty minutes I will
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Speaker 1: talk to like four or five contexts that spread throughout
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Speaker 1: White Tail Country. UM. This week, for example, we have
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Speaker 1: people in North Carolina all the way to North Dakota,
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Speaker 1: and when I talk to them, I just kind of
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Speaker 1: get a feel for what the local deer activity is doing.
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Speaker 1: And you know this time of year, you'll hear a
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Speaker 1: lot of things like, oh, what are you are the
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Speaker 1: deer and bachelor groups? Are they hitting the beans as
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Speaker 1: they change colors? How to water sources play a role,
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Speaker 1: stuff like that. But you know, once we get to October,
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Speaker 1: it will be stuff about mox scrapes and robs and
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Speaker 1: November seeking and chasing, and so it's just kind of
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Speaker 1: a seasonal thing, um. And uh, it's very timely because
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Speaker 1: these interviews were recorded yesterday. The podcast went up today,
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Speaker 1: So the information that you're getting, uh is super up
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Speaker 1: to date. And we try to cover, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: as much ground as we can with these so that
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Speaker 1: everybody can hopefully find something that's useful for them, just
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Speaker 1: another piece of the puzzle for their deer hunting. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I heard. We got a lot of good feedback last
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Speaker 1: year when we did this, because just like you said,
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Speaker 1: there's something to be there's something to be said about
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Speaker 1: getting real time information about what's happening somewhere near you.
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Speaker 1: So I think we did a pretty good job last
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Speaker 1: year of covering a lot of different states and areas
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Speaker 1: of the country. I know our plan this year is
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Speaker 1: to be even more diverse with what we're covering. So,
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Speaker 1: like you said, I think everyone listening at some point
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Speaker 1: is going to hear updates on areas that are nearby
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Speaker 1: to them. And the additional change that we're making this
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Speaker 1: year compared to last year, like you mentioned, UM, is
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Speaker 1: that we're covering the entire season. So last year, we
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Speaker 1: we came up with the idea of calling this miniseries
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Speaker 1: RUT Radio because we were just going to try cover
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Speaker 1: you know, the progress of RUT related activity and how
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Speaker 1: that was changing throughout you know, late October and November.
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Speaker 1: But I got to thinking, I mean, there's there's value
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Speaker 1: in hearing about dear behavior and activity and changing conditions
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Speaker 1: and current tactics. You know, there's value to hearing that
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Speaker 1: all season long, um, because all three of us know
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Speaker 1: that changes throughout the entire year, from September all the
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Speaker 1: way through January. So I'm pretty stoked that we're starting
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Speaker 1: this now in September and that we're gonna cover all
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Speaker 1: the way through the end of the year. UM. So,
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, Spencer, you said you mentioned North
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Speaker 1: Dakota in North Carolina. Where else do we cover in
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Speaker 1: this week's episode, we also go to Wisconsin and Missouri. Perfect,
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Speaker 1: so we've got a little north, little south, little midwest.
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Speaker 1: Um and and I don't want to spoil it because
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Speaker 1: this episode is out right now. UM. So you can
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Speaker 1: look on your podcast app and you'll see it's episode
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Speaker 1: one RUT Radio. I think it's you know what we
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Speaker 1: title at RUT Radio seventeen. So you'll see that upsod
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Speaker 1: out there. You can listen to it. Um, But can
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Speaker 1: you give us like a like a super super cliff
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Speaker 1: notes version if you had to kind of summarize or
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Speaker 1: give a couple of takeaways from what you've heard from
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Speaker 1: these people this week? What's what's the pulse of the
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Speaker 1: White Tailed world right now? Well? I think with each
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Speaker 1: episode when I talk to people, UM, you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to get this information that be relevant for somebody
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Speaker 1: who maybe hasn't hunted in a couple of weeks and
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Speaker 1: they have like a RUT vacation coming up or whatever
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Speaker 1: may have you. Like for this episode, I'm that guy
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Speaker 1: because our opener in South Dakota isn't until this weekend,
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Speaker 1: and so a lot of this stuff I'm asking them
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Speaker 1: is is very uh, I guess relevant to what you
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Speaker 1: would think about in mid September. Are you hunting field edges,
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Speaker 1: which is quite often the case right now, Um, are
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Speaker 1: you hunting over beans? And again, yes, a lot of
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Speaker 1: guys are doing that. It's just right now kind of
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Speaker 1: a lot of vanilla setups. Um. Weather plays a big
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Speaker 1: factor right now as far as some areas are drying,
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Speaker 1: some areas are wet um, and then just the acorn
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Speaker 1: crop that's also coming. So those are kind of the
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Speaker 1: main things that you will hit on this week. And
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Speaker 1: like I said, it kind of changes it as we
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Speaker 1: get deeper into the season. Yeah, for sure. Well I'm
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Speaker 1: looking forward to following along. And I appreciate you pulling
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Speaker 1: these together and making all these phone calls and talking
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Speaker 1: to these people all over the country. And um, you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to open this up
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Speaker 1: or not. Maybe I'm opening up a can of worms.
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Speaker 1: But if you're listening right now and you would be
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Speaker 1: willing to offer, you know, your own reports, maybe you know,
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Speaker 1: feel free to shoot me a tweet or a message
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Speaker 1: or something like that and I can at least pass
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Speaker 1: that along to Spencer. So maybe Spencer from the future,
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Speaker 1: you really need to get a contact, You need an
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Speaker 1: update from Vermont or Georgia. Maybe there'll be someone who
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Speaker 1: reaches out and says, hey, I'm from Vermont. I'll help
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Speaker 1: and I'll build pass that over your way. So if
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Speaker 1: you're interested, maybe shoot me a message. I'll send that
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Speaker 1: to Spencer Um and who knows, maybe you can help
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Speaker 1: share some information with the wire Tount Nation in a
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Speaker 1: future episode. But I'm curious, man, your openers this weekend,
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Speaker 1: you got a game plan in place and do, and
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be something a little bit different. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to western South Dakota in what is kind of your
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Speaker 1: typical mule deer country, but I'm gonna be trying to
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Speaker 1: haunt white tails and so in this kind of rolling planes. Uh,
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Speaker 1: that's this little space between the bad Lands and the
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Speaker 1: Black Hills. That's that's pretty rough country. Um, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: try to find just like some of your textbook white
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Speaker 1: tail habitat that's river bottoms and cattle pastures and stuff
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Speaker 1: like that. And I'm gonna stay there for like four
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Speaker 1: or five days, and and I'll be tenting it and
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Speaker 1: see what i can come up with. So that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to follow along with that and and we're
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Speaker 1: gonna be, well, you are gonna be You're gonna be
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Speaker 1: sharing some of those updates of your hunt with with
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Speaker 1: the wired Hunt through the Instagram account to this weekend,
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Speaker 1: which I'm excited about. Um, so people can check that
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Speaker 1: out on the wired Hunt Instagram account that's at wired
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Speaker 1: to Hunt. Um, that should be pretty cool. So it
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Speaker 1: sounds like you did something pretty similar to what I
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Speaker 1: was doing last week. Um, Dan, you and me, we
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Speaker 1: got to talk a little bit about the beginning of
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Speaker 1: the Montana Hunt. But do you want to hear about
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Speaker 1: how the Montana Hunt ended or should we just say
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Speaker 1: move on? Well, if anybody follows your social media feed,
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Speaker 1: they already know kind of how it ended. But give
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Speaker 1: a give a recap of how it ended. And and
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Speaker 1: because you had some other plans that you decided to
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Speaker 1: forego as well, right yeah, yeah, lots of a little
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Speaker 1: bit few changes of plans. Um, So long story short.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think when we talked last week, I
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Speaker 1: was early in the Montana Hunt. I was just checking
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Speaker 1: out these first couple of spots that did not end
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Speaker 1: up working out very well. Um. You know, all these
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Speaker 1: public pieces are getting grazed by cattle and sheep, and
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Speaker 1: this is what I came to find out. So there
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Speaker 1: just was no good cover and I couldn't intercept getting
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Speaker 1: between good cover and food. Um. So after you and
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Speaker 1: me chatted, I went and I moved to stand to
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Speaker 1: a new location, and I did get into some deer um.
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Speaker 1: And the trick to that one was, I looked at
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Speaker 1: my maps and I found a piece of blm land
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Speaker 1: that was completely land locked. You couldn't access it anyway, um,
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Speaker 1: because it was surrounded by private land, except for there
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Speaker 1: was a river that runs through it, and that same
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Speaker 1: river eventually passes by a piece of state land that
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Speaker 1: I could access from the road. So what I found out,
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Speaker 1: what I figured out to do is I would walk
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Speaker 1: that state land all the way to the back drop
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Speaker 1: into the river, and then walk that riverbed all the
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Speaker 1: way to this other piece of public that was tucked
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Speaker 1: way back in this stuff. And in Montana it's public
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Speaker 1: access as long as you're below the high water mark
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Speaker 1: in a riverway like that. So I was able to
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Speaker 1: do that get in there, and that wasn't getting hunted,
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Speaker 1: that wasn't getting grazed, it didn't seem like and so
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of deer in there. And I
10:40
Speaker 1: was I was kind of intercepting at least some of
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Speaker 1: the traffic that was heading towards that one food source.
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Speaker 1: So I saw a lot of deer, saw dozens of deer,
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Speaker 1: lots of bucks. Um, just nothing that quite wanted to
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Speaker 1: fill my tag with. Um probably some three year olds, Um,
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Speaker 1: decent bucks you know, one tens, fifteens, one fifteensish somewhere
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Speaker 1: around there. Maybe some bucks that like, you know, given
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Speaker 1: how short a time for my head, I grabbed my
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Speaker 1: bow and was like thinking about it. But you know,
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Speaker 1: this year, I just kind of wanted something a little different.
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Speaker 1: I wanted something that like was like a no brainer.
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Speaker 1: And um, after four or five days and they're dicking around,
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Speaker 1: trying in different places, you know, adjusting every day, I
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Speaker 1: pulled the stand and readjusted, pulled stan readjusted, trying to see, okay,
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Speaker 1: maybe a better box on this side, or is there
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Speaker 1: somewhere I can get eyes on something different, and uh,
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Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. Um. It was fun though, And
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Speaker 1: I did see one shooter, but he was over on
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Speaker 1: private land at last light, and um, there's no way
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Speaker 1: I could get any closer to him. So um, I
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Speaker 1: hunted though, my full week there in Montana instead of
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Speaker 1: you know, I was hoping I could fill my tag
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Speaker 1: in Montana like three days and then bump over North
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Speaker 1: Dakota and have time to hunt there. But because I
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Speaker 1: wasn't able to do it Montana, um, what I decided was,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to postpone that North Koda hunt and go
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Speaker 1: back later in the season. So I just went home
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Speaker 1: after Montana. I've been I've been away from home from
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Speaker 1: for about two months and hadn't seen my wife in
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Speaker 1: almost three weeks. So it was time to get home
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Speaker 1: and uh, and I'm gonna try to get back out
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Speaker 1: to North Kota maybe now and later in October or November,
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Speaker 1: just depending on things go. But it was it was
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Speaker 1: a cool experience. I gotta see a lot of dear.
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Speaker 1: It was fun to be in a tree stand. Um
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Speaker 1: just you know, just not quite the spot I needed
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Speaker 1: this year. But that's what happens, I think when you
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Speaker 1: go to an area like that, having I've never seen
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Speaker 1: this area ever, you know, first time I ever being there.
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Speaker 1: I just looked at maps and then showed up and
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Speaker 1: then try to figure it out, and you know, then
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Speaker 1: you know we're not bad. Do you think that. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this was the case for for
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Speaker 1: where you were hunting in Montana, but I know to
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Speaker 1: the south of you in Wyoming they were having some
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Speaker 1: drought conditions. Uh did did you see any drought conditions
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Speaker 1: where you were hunting? And if you add the fact
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Speaker 1: that these land are being grazed by livestock, do you
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Speaker 1: think that played a role into maybe the deer being
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Speaker 1: in a different location. You know, it was definitely super
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Speaker 1: super dry. Um, so yes, they were experiencing drought there,
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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. It was just it was just
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Speaker 1: as dry as it could get. So yeah, that for sure. Um.
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Speaker 1: Now was that impacting though? Why the deer there? Definitely
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Speaker 1: were deer in the area I found, you know the
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Speaker 1: third day, Um, you know the stuff that was all
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Speaker 1: getting grazy. Yeah, I understand why they weren't deer there.
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Speaker 1: But I finally was able to tuck into this one
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Speaker 1: section that that did have the deer because it was
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Speaker 1: closer to the one good food source. There was one
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Speaker 1: big alf afe field that all these deer were piling into,
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Speaker 1: and so I saw like fifty sixty deer out in
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Speaker 1: that alf afa field my first night scouting. So I
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Speaker 1: knew there's deer in there. I saw one decent buck.
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Speaker 1: I talked to a rancher there who said there was
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Speaker 1: a really nice buck in the area he had been seeing,
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Speaker 1: So I knew, yes, there's there's potentially a shooter in here. Um.
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Speaker 1: The only issue is that I just had a forty
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Speaker 1: acre a little square that was sort of near that cover.
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Speaker 1: But I couldn't you know that I wasn't able to
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Speaker 1: get like the skinny part of the funnel. If you
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Speaker 1: imagine the self alfa fields, like the bottom. Let's say
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Speaker 1: it's the middle of a pie and then there's cover.
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Speaker 1: The whole top half of that pie is cover, and
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Speaker 1: the food is just the circle in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the pie. There's deer coming from all different angles. There's
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Speaker 1: deer coming from twelve, eleven, ten, nine, one to three.
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Speaker 1: For thinking on o'clock, um, where my little piece of
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Speaker 1: public was. I could only really hunt the deer that
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Speaker 1: were coming from like eight o'clock and nine o'clock. But
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Speaker 1: anything in ten, eleven, twelve, one, two, three or nine, Um, sorry,
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Speaker 1: not eight nine. I was hunting more ten and eleven o'clock. Whatever.
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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is that most of that cover,
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Speaker 1: I just couldn't hunt. So there could have been deer,
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Speaker 1: there could have been good bucks and that other stuff
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Speaker 1: that I just simply couldn't couldn't intercept because of the
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Speaker 1: positioning of that little tiny piece of public So I
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Speaker 1: just had to work with what I had, and um
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Speaker 1: it was it was kind of limited. In four or
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Speaker 1: five other places I thought I'd have to go check
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Speaker 1: out and to hunt if this one didn't work out.
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Speaker 1: Those ended up being grays to dirt. So that was
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Speaker 1: just you know, the car the hand that was dealt
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Speaker 1: and um didn't work out. Hey, you can't go out
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Speaker 1: and kill giant caribou every hunt, that's true. Yeah, I
15:20
Speaker 1: can't complain. My first hunt the air was pretty good.
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Speaker 1: So so yeah, man, Now I'm just excited about Michigan,
15:26
Speaker 1: which opens up a little over a week in Ohio.
15:31
Speaker 1: And Iowa does for you to write October one. Yep,
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Speaker 1: October one is Iowa opener. Will I be hunting? Absolutely not. Well,
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Speaker 1: I got a check that's gonna be in the mail
15:41
Speaker 1: very soon. I have a check that's gonna be in
15:44
Speaker 1: the mail very soon. So you might be hunting, you
15:47
Speaker 1: might be hunting. We'll just wait and see. But I
15:51
Speaker 1: did mark down on my calendar October. Let me check
15:54
Speaker 1: real quick. I got it. I got it right here.
15:57
Speaker 1: I have a wedding I have to take pictures for
16:01
Speaker 1: for photography, and then I have a week break, and
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Speaker 1: then I go to Minnesota on October for a family wedding.
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Speaker 1: So I have October one where I've already gotten permission
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Speaker 1: to hunt. So good, like a two weeks so hopefully
16:21
Speaker 1: you still send that check. So you're wanting a third
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Speaker 1: day of hunting in October. You you're asking a lot here, Dan,
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Speaker 1: I know, I no, no, I think that that right.
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Speaker 1: There's gonna be probably they if I had to guess
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Speaker 1: the one I might be able to sneak out. If
16:38
Speaker 1: I have some family members coming over to uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: check the baby, you know, see the baby for the
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Speaker 1: first time, I'm like, hey, I gotta run in the
16:46
Speaker 1: store and get gas and then be gone for like
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Speaker 1: five hours. Yeah, I know. Do you have any baby news?
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Speaker 1: Is a baby progress still? Because it's just about the
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Speaker 1: D day, isn't it. Yeah? I mean do you want
16:58
Speaker 1: do you want specific detail? Yeah? If you have anything gory, disgusting, uncomfortable, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm looking for I do I do
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Speaker 1: you want to know? But I don't know, like, use
17:13
Speaker 1: your discretion. I need you to figure that stuff out
17:18
Speaker 1: on your own. Okay, you've got stuff like that coming
17:21
Speaker 1: down the pipe. But yeah, all of the signs, all
17:24
Speaker 1: the changes that happened to a woman's body are starting
17:28
Speaker 1: to happen, and they've been happening since this weekend. Now
17:32
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time until Junior decides to
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Speaker 1: come out. So all right, Well, good to know, Spencer.
17:39
Speaker 1: When you hear Dan talking about kids, how does that
17:41
Speaker 1: make you feel being a newly wed man. I've always
17:45
Speaker 1: been team no babies. I'm still there and even further so,
17:52
Speaker 1: her first mistake was getting married, buddy. Uh yeah, well
17:58
Speaker 1: it helps that she doesn't want babies either. So you
18:01
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast. No, no, we can say whatever
18:04
Speaker 1: you want. We're safe. This is this is a safe space.
18:09
Speaker 1: Safe space, right. Well, that's that's good, Spencer. I uh,
18:14
Speaker 1: at least keep you hunting. I uh, I don't know
18:17
Speaker 1: what to say yet. We'll see if if Dan's experience
18:21
Speaker 1: is universal or if I'm gonna have a different experience.
18:23
Speaker 1: I don't know yet, but we'll know here in a
18:25
Speaker 1: few months. So One thing you should learn, though, is
18:28
Speaker 1: you like I am the wrong person to ask for
18:32
Speaker 1: advice when it comes to raising kids. Yeah, that sounds
18:35
Speaker 1: about right. You were supposed to agree with me. What
18:41
Speaker 1: do you expect? Uh, dear though, dear, dear, dear, should
18:46
Speaker 1: we talk about? Dear? I have I have news. Do
18:50
Speaker 1: you guys want some news? Oh, buddy, is just what
18:53
Speaker 1: I think it is. I checked trail cameras in Michigan.
18:59
Speaker 1: I at trail cameras in Michigan, and I pulled those
19:03
Speaker 1: SD cards and I swapped out regular cameras for a
19:09
Speaker 1: cell camera. Actually got I bought another cell cameras. I've
19:11
Speaker 1: got to cell cameras out in this property. And I
19:16
Speaker 1: made sure my food plots were looking okay. And I
19:19
Speaker 1: came back to the house and I got a beer,
19:23
Speaker 1: and I nervously kind of inserted the SD card in
19:26
Speaker 1: the computer. I said a prayer, and I said, well,
19:32
Speaker 1: will Holy Feel be back? Will Holy Feel be back?
19:36
Speaker 1: That is the question I've been asking myself for months. Uh, Spencer,
19:42
Speaker 1: you do not know the answers to question to this question.
19:44
Speaker 1: So i'd like your guests, do you think that he's
19:47
Speaker 1: back at some point? Yes? Right now? No? Okay, and Dan,
19:54
Speaker 1: what do you think? Uh? I think he's back. Mark
20:01
Speaker 1: holy Field is alive. I got pictures and I'm very
20:08
Speaker 1: very excited about it. Year three begins. Um. It took me.
20:13
Speaker 1: I probably took like an hour and a half of
20:15
Speaker 1: looking through trout camera pictures finally found some of him.
20:19
Speaker 1: He's not He's not on there very much. Um, but
20:22
Speaker 1: I did get a handful of pictures that I I
20:24
Speaker 1: guess I should caveat. I am sure it's him. My
20:28
Speaker 1: wife claims she's one sure. A bunch of my friends
20:32
Speaker 1: claim there one percent sure. I would like to see
20:35
Speaker 1: one more picture that's like a perfect, no brainer, very clear,
20:39
Speaker 1: um picture that I can see his ear and everything.
20:41
Speaker 1: The pictures I've got are kind of blurry and they're
20:43
Speaker 1: at nighttime. Um, but it's sure. I'm pretty darn sure
20:48
Speaker 1: it's him. So the big guys back. He doesn't look
20:52
Speaker 1: very different from what he looked like in the past.
20:54
Speaker 1: He's not put on much from an antler growth standpoint.
20:58
Speaker 1: Maybe some more mass, a little bit wider, maybe a
21:01
Speaker 1: little bit longer main beams, um, but pretty much the
21:04
Speaker 1: same time length. He's he's just an eight pointer, but
21:08
Speaker 1: he's got a big old pop billy, didn't you? Did
21:10
Speaker 1: you see that big old body on him in the
21:11
Speaker 1: picture I sent you? Yeah, he's he's definitely a mature buck. Yeah, yeah,
21:15
Speaker 1: he's a he's a big old slob. So um some
21:19
Speaker 1: I'm pretty stoked. It's gonna be another fun year. I've been.
21:23
Speaker 1: I've been already glassing from the hilltop trying to see
21:26
Speaker 1: if I can spot him. Haven't seen him out, um,
21:29
Speaker 1: but hoping he'll be showing up here soon. He hasn't
21:32
Speaker 1: popped up on my cell cameras yet, but one of
21:34
Speaker 1: them isn't working for some reason, so that's annoying. But um,
21:40
Speaker 1: that's my latest. He's he's the only shooter that showed
21:42
Speaker 1: up on trail camera. He's the only mature buck I
21:44
Speaker 1: have on camera on this property that I checked. Um,
21:47
Speaker 1: a bunch of dinks. One two year old that's got
21:50
Speaker 1: good potential, another one that's maybe two maybe three, kind
21:54
Speaker 1: of wide but short time. He's got potential. Um. But
21:58
Speaker 1: none of the other bucks I've seen, you know from
22:01
Speaker 1: past years, has shown back up. There's a deer I
22:03
Speaker 1: call Foreman, who I saw a ton last year and
22:06
Speaker 1: who I know made it through at least through December.
22:08
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance he he hopefully is back
22:11
Speaker 1: at some point, but I haven't seen him. So that's
22:15
Speaker 1: that's the latest on my news here in Michigan. But
22:18
Speaker 1: super Pop question, I got a question not for you,
22:21
Speaker 1: but for Spencer. Now, Spencer, you you followed this Holy
22:25
Speaker 1: Field saga for a while, right, yes, right? Okay? Now,
22:31
Speaker 1: last year when Mark said, afia, I'm gonna pass this buck,
22:34
Speaker 1: I'm I don't want to kill him anymore. Were you
22:36
Speaker 1: on team dude, you gotta shoot that buck? Or were
22:40
Speaker 1: you on team uh yeah, Mark, that's probably a good
22:43
Speaker 1: idea you should. You should let a buck like that walk.
22:46
Speaker 1: I was for killing him, like I could understand if
22:51
Speaker 1: he just had like one encountered where he's like, oh no,
22:54
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him go. But like I mean, you
22:56
Speaker 1: encountered him over and over where you passed on killing him.
22:59
Speaker 1: That correct, Right? Well, I only had two actual shots
23:02
Speaker 1: at him last year. One of them I passed because
23:05
Speaker 1: a little bit too dark, and then one of them
23:07
Speaker 1: I just didn't. That was after I decided I didn't
23:09
Speaker 1: want to shoot him. Um, so there's only one point
23:12
Speaker 1: didn't In gun season, you would have had opportunities at him, yes,
23:16
Speaker 1: and gun season and gun seasons when I could have
23:18
Speaker 1: shot him, and I probably could have kept going in
23:20
Speaker 1: and getting shots at him because he showed up over
23:22
Speaker 1: and over and over in his spot. I could easily hunt,
23:25
Speaker 1: and I just didn't. That's where I was like, just
23:28
Speaker 1: give in and kill him. Yeah, I hear you, I
23:34
Speaker 1: hear you. I was chatting. Yeah, I mean, I've heard
23:36
Speaker 1: it from. I've heard all different angles on this one.
23:38
Speaker 1: Some people see where I was coming from. Some people
23:41
Speaker 1: think I'm an idiot. I've heard other people who say,
23:45
Speaker 1: how could you kill him? Now? You should there, there's
23:47
Speaker 1: no way you used to shoot him out after you've
23:48
Speaker 1: seen him so many times. So I don't know. But
23:53
Speaker 1: but if if I'm like Julius Caesar and then in
23:56
Speaker 1: the movie The Gladiator, you know, at this point the
23:59
Speaker 1: thumb is going down, it's the end for Holy Field,
24:03
Speaker 1: the fact, and if I can make it happen, there's
24:05
Speaker 1: no question, no matter what, If I can matter. Yeah,
24:08
Speaker 1: there's he comes in with half his rack busted off,
24:12
Speaker 1: you're passing him now that that would be h I
24:17
Speaker 1: didn't think about that, did you, buddy? No, I didn't
24:19
Speaker 1: think about that. But that gets into all sorts of
24:22
Speaker 1: weird questions then for me, because it's like, because it's
24:28
Speaker 1: not all about the antlers for me, like, of course
24:30
Speaker 1: there's this whole experience and the history you just had
24:33
Speaker 1: like a question there, it changes everything even though it's
24:36
Speaker 1: not about the rack for you. You're right there, You're
24:38
Speaker 1: just like, well that kind of changes some things. I know.
24:40
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying to myself is like, I'm I
24:42
Speaker 1: don't even know how to answer that in my own head.
24:44
Speaker 1: And I realized I'm like being hypocritical or something, because
24:48
Speaker 1: you're right, like I would, I would say that it's
24:50
Speaker 1: not all about the antlers, but but you're right. I
24:54
Speaker 1: paused there and I was like, huh, I don't know
24:58
Speaker 1: your thought. What I'm I'm wondering the same thing, Like
25:01
Speaker 1: if there were any dear uh that would take priority,
25:05
Speaker 1: you know over holy Field, Say a buck you haven't
25:07
Speaker 1: seen since came in, uh, you know, just blew you away.
25:12
Speaker 1: I think you would change your mind then, right, Ah, well,
25:18
Speaker 1: if he has the broken rack, or if we're just
25:20
Speaker 1: saying he's fully normal, great health, and then this new
25:24
Speaker 1: buck shows up, which one of those yeah, like like
25:27
Speaker 1: he has his whole rack? Are there any dear, you
25:29
Speaker 1: think they could change your mind on him. I don't
25:32
Speaker 1: think so. I think that I think that what would
25:34
Speaker 1: happen is if let's say a random new bucks showed
25:37
Speaker 1: up that's like a giant, a giant buck that could
25:39
Speaker 1: be from Iowa, Like if Dan, if Dan let one
25:43
Speaker 1: of his Iowa bucks come on over to Michigan and
25:45
Speaker 1: it showed up on my property, and like it'd be
25:47
Speaker 1: like the biggest buck I've ever seen in Michigan. I'm
25:50
Speaker 1: shooting that buck. But I will then break my typical rule.
25:55
Speaker 1: My typical rule on this property where this is all happening, specifically,
26:00
Speaker 1: is that I would only take one buck off that
26:01
Speaker 1: a year because there's just not a lot of mature
26:04
Speaker 1: bucks out there. But if for some reason it's like
26:05
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime opportunity that okay, yeah, I
26:08
Speaker 1: would never get another chance to buck like this. Yes,
26:10
Speaker 1: I will probably shoot that buck, but then I will
26:12
Speaker 1: continue to hunt holy Field after that. Um holy Field
26:16
Speaker 1: is on a He's on the list this year, no
26:20
Speaker 1: questions asked, I would be. I would have weird feelings
26:24
Speaker 1: if he showed up with like missing his rack or
26:26
Speaker 1: half his rack, because like I don't know I don't
26:29
Speaker 1: know how to articulate that or how to make sense
26:31
Speaker 1: of that even in my own mind why that would matter.
26:34
Speaker 1: But it would feel like if I'm gonna kill holy Field,
26:36
Speaker 1: it should be like the right it should be like
26:38
Speaker 1: the right way. It should be the whole thing it
26:41
Speaker 1: should be. Um. It's not even like he's got that
26:44
Speaker 1: big of a rack. So it's not like I'm doing
26:46
Speaker 1: this because i want like some amazing trophy that I'm
26:49
Speaker 1: going to measure and put in the record books or
26:51
Speaker 1: something like that. His rack is not going to excite
26:53
Speaker 1: many people. Um, but it's still representative maybe of like
27:01
Speaker 1: this really cool animal that I've been able to observe
27:04
Speaker 1: and interact with, and like it would I don't, I
27:07
Speaker 1: don't know. I would have to like chew on that.
27:09
Speaker 1: For a while, I thought it was a bit of
27:12
Speaker 1: got you journalism by Dann and either yeah it really was,
27:16
Speaker 1: you guys stumped me. Um, I hope I don't need
27:20
Speaker 1: to now I'll tell you if he like breaks off
27:22
Speaker 1: part of his main beam like it did last year. Um. See,
27:25
Speaker 1: that's so weird to me, Like even as I'm saying
27:26
Speaker 1: these things, for some reason in my head, like if
27:30
Speaker 1: he busts off a time or part of his main
27:32
Speaker 1: beam or something. If he still looks like holy Field
27:35
Speaker 1: to me, I think I shoot him. If like it's
27:39
Speaker 1: not the holy Field that's in my head. If like
27:42
Speaker 1: he busts off a whole side or something, then I
27:44
Speaker 1: don't know, for some reason, that changes it in my mind.
27:47
Speaker 1: I can't explain why. Um, But I'm not saying I
27:51
Speaker 1: wouldn't shoot him, but I'm saying it makes me think
27:54
Speaker 1: about it. Um. I have no good answer at this point.
27:58
Speaker 1: Hopefully I don't need to deal with that. Hopefully he's
28:00
Speaker 1: just a big old slab of a of a mature buck.
28:03
Speaker 1: And he shows up opening night or second night or
28:06
Speaker 1: third night or whatever it is when I go out
28:07
Speaker 1: there and he just decides, you know what, I've lived
28:10
Speaker 1: a good long life. I'm sick of this guy stalking
28:13
Speaker 1: me and looking at me all the time. I'm just
28:15
Speaker 1: gonna let it end. And we just wrapped this sucker
28:18
Speaker 1: up real nice and tidy. So that's that's the game plan. Okay,
28:22
Speaker 1: on to the next one. The next one probably won't happen,
28:25
Speaker 1: but but next week's episode we can talk in more
28:28
Speaker 1: depth about my plan. Um. But we we've kind of
28:34
Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about this random stuff quite a
28:36
Speaker 1: bit here, Dan, did you have any up I know
28:37
Speaker 1: you mentioned you've got a couple of bucks maybe that
28:39
Speaker 1: are back that we've heard about in the past. Is
28:41
Speaker 1: that true? Yeah? Man, Um, there are for sure one
28:47
Speaker 1: buck I called dork right. He is probably a seven
28:52
Speaker 1: or eight year old buck this year. He is a
28:55
Speaker 1: He is a holy Field type of buck where the
28:59
Speaker 1: rack has never been gigantic, but his body is freaking huge.
29:05
Speaker 1: Like he's that buck that looks like he could push
29:08
Speaker 1: three pounds on the hoof. Um, he's just a stud
29:13
Speaker 1: I've got nothing. But in the past, let's see, I
29:17
Speaker 1: got four years worth the trail camera pictures of this buck. Um.
29:21
Speaker 1: Other than adding mass, this buck has really done nothing
29:24
Speaker 1: in the last year. He had a way bigger act
29:27
Speaker 1: than he did this year. But um, just a nocturnal buck.
29:32
Speaker 1: I have a strong feeling that he lives to the
29:34
Speaker 1: north of the farm that I have permission to hunt,
29:37
Speaker 1: and he only comes through a handful of times a year.
29:40
Speaker 1: I just so happened to have a trail camera that
29:43
Speaker 1: is where he comes through. All nocturnal picks other than
29:47
Speaker 1: one daylight like September, some September day, late September. He
29:53
Speaker 1: comes through and it was a daylight pick on the
29:55
Speaker 1: tail end of a cold front. Um, I have I
30:02
Speaker 1: want to make sure I didn't miss this. Um, you
30:04
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in personal right, I've never seen this buck.
30:10
Speaker 1: I might have, I might have seen him on the hoof,
30:13
Speaker 1: but it was really dark. It was not last year,
30:16
Speaker 1: but the year before. A couple of does came just
30:19
Speaker 1: barreling through the timber and there was a big buck
30:23
Speaker 1: chasing him, but he was further away behind like a
30:26
Speaker 1: pine thicket. I could see a big body in a rack.
30:29
Speaker 1: It looked like the characteristics, but by the time I
30:32
Speaker 1: got my binoculars up, it was just kind of like
30:35
Speaker 1: a and then it was over. Had of deal. So
30:38
Speaker 1: I never could very I never could verify it. Um.
30:43
Speaker 1: The last time I went to check trail cameras. Uh,
30:46
Speaker 1: you know this Gordon Bombay buck right, yeah, big, the
30:51
Speaker 1: big boy right wide, probably plus inside. Man, he's wider
30:56
Speaker 1: than that. I'd say, even closer to seven inches inside,
31:00
Speaker 1: which is really sounds ridiculous. Beau. Yeah. Um, so I'll
31:05
Speaker 1: keep this short, this story very short. Um. I was
31:08
Speaker 1: out checking trail cameras and A and I checked the
31:11
Speaker 1: weather and it was just like this quick rainstorm and
31:15
Speaker 1: I I thought that's what it was. But then I
31:18
Speaker 1: mean lightning started crashing hitting the ground all around me,
31:23
Speaker 1: heavy heavy rain. I jumped down and I was soaking wet.
31:27
Speaker 1: I jumped down in this crack and I just like,
31:30
Speaker 1: I gotta get back to my truck as soon as possible,
31:32
Speaker 1: because I was literally scared. So I ended up cutting
31:35
Speaker 1: through a piece of property. I got caught on trail
31:38
Speaker 1: camera by because I took a shortcut through a piece
31:42
Speaker 1: of property on a two track. There was a trail
31:44
Speaker 1: camera on this two track. So I went to the
31:48
Speaker 1: landowner's house that I took a shortcut through, knocked on
31:51
Speaker 1: his door. I said, hey man, I just had to
31:52
Speaker 1: get out of this storm. Lightning was cracking all around me. Um,
31:56
Speaker 1: I walked through your property and I got caught on
31:59
Speaker 1: one of your trail came risk and he's like, hey man,
32:01
Speaker 1: no big deal, thanks for coming forward and telling me. Well.
32:05
Speaker 1: While I was there, I asked him, hey you uh,
32:08
Speaker 1: you got any trail camera pictures this year of the
32:11
Speaker 1: big wide buck. Um? And he's like, not this year.
32:16
Speaker 1: But I hit him in the shoulder last year and
32:18
Speaker 1: never recovered him. So yeah, last year, Gordon Bombay got
32:23
Speaker 1: hit but not not recovered. And the trail camera that
32:27
Speaker 1: I had soaking literally for three months without touching, no
32:31
Speaker 1: pictures of Gordon Bombay. So um, who knows he could
32:37
Speaker 1: still be alive. He could be a pile of bones.
32:40
Speaker 1: I hope not. I hope he shows back up late
32:42
Speaker 1: October like he always does, um in that area, or
32:46
Speaker 1: that could have spooked him and he just jumped to
32:48
Speaker 1: a different property altogether. Man. Yeah. Other than that, I got,
32:52
Speaker 1: I got a couple other four year olds that are back.
32:55
Speaker 1: Uh and uh one or two five and one five
32:59
Speaker 1: and one six year old better back again. These these
33:02
Speaker 1: deer tend to shift this time of year. Um. I
33:05
Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna shift this year because of
33:06
Speaker 1: the acorn crop that could keep them around, But once
33:10
Speaker 1: the crops come out, there's a huge transition in this property.
33:14
Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of time. The next time
33:16
Speaker 1: I go and check trail cameras, we'll see who's stuck around.
33:20
Speaker 1: It's exciting to see. I uh, I took whenever you
33:25
Speaker 1: you you talk through this kind of stuff that I
33:27
Speaker 1: just like silently curse you because like I got a
33:28
Speaker 1: couple of four year olds, got a five year old,
33:30
Speaker 1: got a six year old. Like, man, I've got one
33:33
Speaker 1: I think five year old that I got pictures of twice.
33:36
Speaker 1: And that's all I had the entire summer. Right, I
33:39
Speaker 1: talked this, But remember again, we're talking about trail cameras, right,
33:45
Speaker 1: trail cameras. You know, I could give a guy who
33:48
Speaker 1: knows nothing about how to hunt deer a trail camera,
33:52
Speaker 1: say hey, go put it somewhere. He puts it out.
33:54
Speaker 1: And in Iowa, there's a chance you get a picture
33:57
Speaker 1: of a giant buck. Hunting that animal is a completely
34:02
Speaker 1: different story. And you know, you also know my circumstances.
34:05
Speaker 1: I don't hunt a private farm. I hunt, I hunt.
34:07
Speaker 1: I mean I hunt a private farm. But I have
34:10
Speaker 1: other hunters that hunt it with me. Um, so there's
34:12
Speaker 1: pressure there. Um. And then we all know that the
34:15
Speaker 1: properties to the north, to the south, and to the
34:18
Speaker 1: northwest are all highly managed properties where once the crops
34:23
Speaker 1: come out on my farm, guess where they go to
34:26
Speaker 1: a place where the crops don't come out ever. So well,
34:31
Speaker 1: I think you're still gonna get it done. Yeah, that's
34:33
Speaker 1: my goal. Anyway, I think so. All right, Well, next week, yeah,
34:38
Speaker 1: next week, let's talk a little more about our early
34:40
Speaker 1: season plan or maybe what we can talk about you're
34:43
Speaker 1: October plan. I'll talk about my early season plan. Um,
34:48
Speaker 1: but we got some questions to answer. So, Spencer, are
34:52
Speaker 1: you cool hanging around and helping us answer some of
34:55
Speaker 1: these questions? I can do that. And uh, here's another
34:58
Speaker 1: reason to listen to about radio and the time you've
35:00
Speaker 1: heard us three talk about nothing. You could listen to
35:02
Speaker 1: the entire podcast Radio the consummate Marketer. It's very good, Spencer.
35:08
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I'll keep selling. That's good. That's
35:11
Speaker 1: very good. Your spot on with much more value in
35:14
Speaker 1: the radio episode than what you just heard here. Okay, first,
35:19
Speaker 1: let's get to something that's helpful. First question. But but
35:23
Speaker 1: actually before that first question, let's take a second to
35:26
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35:29
Speaker 1: today's sick of story, which our pale Spencer has got
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35:36
Speaker 1: joined by Hunt terror founder Ben Harshein, who tells us
35:39
Speaker 1: about a New Year's Eve hunt where everything came together
35:41
Speaker 1: as planned. So from Thanksgiving on to Christmas. I'm very
35:47
Speaker 1: very busy with my business and I don't get much
35:50
Speaker 1: time to hunt. So what I did is I kind
35:52
Speaker 1: of reset cameras um after after Thanksgiving and and really
35:58
Speaker 1: let them soak for a while. And I ended up
36:01
Speaker 1: patterning a buck uh that came onto the farm late,
36:05
Speaker 1: and I thought maybe he was just a transient scooting
36:07
Speaker 1: through in late November early December. But what ended up
36:12
Speaker 1: happening is he uh, he became really comfortable visiting one
36:16
Speaker 1: of my central plots on the farm that I hunt,
36:19
Speaker 1: and Uh, what I did is I came back after
36:21
Speaker 1: Christmas time and you kind of regrouped and checked all
36:23
Speaker 1: my cameras and I was able to really establish a
36:27
Speaker 1: pretty consistent pattern with this buck on a on a
36:30
Speaker 1: on a west wind and anything that had a north
36:32
Speaker 1: to it as well. Um, so the plan was actually
36:35
Speaker 1: pretty simple, just kind of wait and that that wind
36:38
Speaker 1: happened to be on uh New Year's Eve has when
36:42
Speaker 1: I slipped in on him, and uh, it was it
36:45
Speaker 1: was a pretty cold night, but thankfully what I was wearing,
36:47
Speaker 1: I was really comfortable, and I just waited him out
36:50
Speaker 1: and he ended up actually coming out really early. I mean,
36:52
Speaker 1: he was coming out probably an hour before dark. That's
36:55
Speaker 1: how comfortable he was. And uh I was able to
36:57
Speaker 1: put him down pretty pretty quick there with the muzzle
37:00
Speaker 1: or so first buck in Iowa has an Iowa resident
37:03
Speaker 1: is definitely a awesome hunt. Awesome experience meant a ton
37:07
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Speaker 1: a year dot com. Okay, first, let's get to something
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Speaker 1: that's helpful. First question is from Josh D and John.
37:31
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do like the first letter of the
37:33
Speaker 1: last name, just in case. Like Josh is embarrassed that
37:36
Speaker 1: he's asking this question. He thought he was asking privately,
37:38
Speaker 1: and now his butters and like, oh my gosh, Josh,
37:40
Speaker 1: you didn't know about decoys. Uh So Josh D asks
37:45
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on decoys? Buck or doe or
37:48
Speaker 1: combo bucking dough? What situation do you use them in?
37:51
Speaker 1: How do you orient them to your hunting location? Is
37:54
Speaker 1: morning or evening better or both? So we got a
37:57
Speaker 1: bunch of little questions related decoying. There. Um, I've got
38:01
Speaker 1: some thoughts on this. I had my first decoy success
38:04
Speaker 1: last year, so I can talk touch on that. But
38:06
Speaker 1: Spencer or Dan, either one of you guys have an
38:08
Speaker 1: opinion on this topic. I'm going to differ as I
38:14
Speaker 1: very rarely ever use decoys just because of the locations
38:19
Speaker 1: that I hunt. Spencer, Yeah, I'm this. I'm the same way.
38:22
Speaker 1: I rarely feel like I have the opportunity to use
38:24
Speaker 1: a decoy because that time of year when a decoy
38:27
Speaker 1: would be relevant. Um, I'm hunting a little bit thicker
38:29
Speaker 1: stuff where you can get by with the illusion of
38:33
Speaker 1: a grunt or a rattle, you know, and you don't
38:35
Speaker 1: need to have something that's you know, visibly there. So no,
38:39
Speaker 1: I don't do much decoying. Okay, So so I don't
38:42
Speaker 1: do much decoin either, Um, but I just use it
38:44
Speaker 1: occasionally in certain circumstances. So the circumstances when I would
38:48
Speaker 1: use a decoy would be if I'm hunting in an
38:50
Speaker 1: area during the rut, like peak running activity, So that
38:54
Speaker 1: would be like, you know, the week or two before
38:56
Speaker 1: peak breeding. Maybe in a lot of places that's gonna
38:59
Speaker 1: be the first weekend I've ever or the second week
39:00
Speaker 1: in November, maybe when there's a lot of bucks cruising around.
39:03
Speaker 1: Um So, if it's during that time frame, and if
39:06
Speaker 1: I'm for some reason not able to hunt in tight cover,
39:09
Speaker 1: like if I've been hunting a near betting air, have
39:11
Speaker 1: been hunting in the funnel a bunch and it's just
39:13
Speaker 1: not working out for some reason, I need to hunt
39:15
Speaker 1: in a more open location, and I need to have
39:18
Speaker 1: something that might bring them in a little closer. That's
39:21
Speaker 1: when I would use a decoy. Um So the situation
39:24
Speaker 1: where I use a decoy last year in this Ohio
39:27
Speaker 1: property that I hunt, uh, just over fifty of it
39:31
Speaker 1: is wide open field, and even the stuff that's covered,
39:34
Speaker 1: you're still close to an edge no matter where you
39:36
Speaker 1: go because it's just two tiny little fingers that cover
39:38
Speaker 1: that come out into this big field. So in general,
39:41
Speaker 1: you're hunting in relatively open areas. Um. But we've hunted
39:45
Speaker 1: some of the cover the first few days, three or four,
39:48
Speaker 1: five days of my rut hunt down there, and it
39:51
Speaker 1: just wasn't happening. So it was like day five or six,
39:53
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly, and I was like, screw it.
39:56
Speaker 1: This stuff hasn't been working. I need to try a
39:57
Speaker 1: different area. I need to see what's going on on
39:59
Speaker 1: this far I'll their side of the property. The issue
40:02
Speaker 1: is at the far other side of the property. We
40:05
Speaker 1: have almost no cover at all. It's basically just a
40:07
Speaker 1: fence row and then one little like nugget, like a
40:09
Speaker 1: little linema being of cover that pops out. So I said,
40:12
Speaker 1: had we have a stand in that little line of being,
40:14
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, I can sit here, I can
40:16
Speaker 1: at least see some new country. I'm gonna bring the
40:18
Speaker 1: decoy just in case I see something. Maybe I can
40:20
Speaker 1: call it in and that will be what brings it
40:22
Speaker 1: in that final distance. So that's kind of snarrow when
40:25
Speaker 1: I would use one. Now as far as how I
40:27
Speaker 1: would set it up. The setup that I've learned that
40:31
Speaker 1: I took from a lot of guys that do this
40:33
Speaker 1: much more often than me, Guys like John Dudley. He
40:35
Speaker 1: was one of the guys that was um the offer.
40:37
Speaker 1: The most helpful advice to me was that you want
40:40
Speaker 1: to set that buck. I use a buck decoy. Single
40:42
Speaker 1: buck decoy. I had take one of the antlers off.
40:45
Speaker 1: And the theory being there is that it's not intimidating.
40:48
Speaker 1: If it's just half rack, it's enough that a buck
40:50
Speaker 1: will come in and want to kick its butt, but
40:52
Speaker 1: not so much of a challenge that it's going to
40:55
Speaker 1: scare away a buck. And then I want that buck.
40:58
Speaker 1: I want to be in a situation where the in
41:00
Speaker 1: is blowing from the decoy to me, because if a
41:03
Speaker 1: buck sees the decoy and it's gonna come in, the
41:05
Speaker 1: first thing is gonna want to do. He's gonna want
41:07
Speaker 1: to get down wind of it. He wants to smell it,
41:08
Speaker 1: and then he wants to approach that buck head on
41:10
Speaker 1: and challenge it. So what do we do is you
41:13
Speaker 1: put that buck in between you and the wind, so
41:15
Speaker 1: the winds blowing hits the decoy hits towards you. So
41:18
Speaker 1: buck that's gonna circle down windo that has to come
41:21
Speaker 1: in between you and the decoy. And then I set
41:23
Speaker 1: that buck angling kind of quartering towards me, not pointed
41:26
Speaker 1: right at me, not like he's looking right at me,
41:28
Speaker 1: but he's kind of looking off to my right or
41:30
Speaker 1: off to my left. And then what's going to happen
41:33
Speaker 1: in the scenario that would you know typically play out
41:35
Speaker 1: is if a buck hears you, you know, grunting or
41:38
Speaker 1: rattling or something, or just spots the decoy. He comes
41:41
Speaker 1: in and he approaches towards the front of the decoy
41:44
Speaker 1: and circles downwind of him, giving you a perfect broadside
41:48
Speaker 1: or broad set or quartering away shot. And he's never
41:50
Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, looking at you, so you can
41:52
Speaker 1: draw your bow or whatever you're doing. If you're hunting
41:54
Speaker 1: with a gun, you can get settled, um when he's
41:57
Speaker 1: looking at that buck head on. So that's this situation,
42:00
Speaker 1: that's the set up. As far as the time, um,
42:03
Speaker 1: I think evenings, I think any time of day could
42:06
Speaker 1: work as far as like when it would be useful.
42:08
Speaker 1: The tricky thing is that if you're going in the morning, Um,
42:11
Speaker 1: if you're hunting with a decoy, most often that means
42:13
Speaker 1: you're hunting a wide open area and it's difficult to
42:17
Speaker 1: get into a wide open field type set up in
42:19
Speaker 1: many cases if it's a food source during the morning,
42:21
Speaker 1: because there's probably gonna be deer feeding out there. So
42:24
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, if if you can get
42:26
Speaker 1: in there without spooking deer, sure do it in the morning.
42:29
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, there aren't going to be deer
42:30
Speaker 1: there because maybe it's like a short grassy field or
42:33
Speaker 1: something that they don't come through. Then yeah, I think
42:35
Speaker 1: that could work fine in the morning. Um, but at
42:37
Speaker 1: least in my experience, setting up these decoys is kind
42:40
Speaker 1: of clunky. The one I have is kind of a
42:42
Speaker 1: loud because like holloplastic, So I usually just use in
42:46
Speaker 1: the evening because I can get in there, but deer
42:48
Speaker 1: most likely aren't going to be moving. I can get
42:50
Speaker 1: it set up without worrying about spooking deer, and then
42:52
Speaker 1: that last hour or two, hopefully when there's gonna be
42:54
Speaker 1: more activity, then it's there, it's set up, and I'm
42:57
Speaker 1: able to, you know, hopefully have a good hunt. So
43:00
Speaker 1: in my case last year, I did all those things
43:03
Speaker 1: and then like an hour before daylight, I saw a
43:05
Speaker 1: buck following a dough across this wide open field, maybe
43:08
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards away, and I grunted at him
43:10
Speaker 1: several times, gave him a snort. We'se that was enough
43:13
Speaker 1: to get his attention. He looked towards that sound and
43:15
Speaker 1: he saw this little one antler buck, and man, just
43:19
Speaker 1: like in the movies, that guy, that guy puffed up
43:23
Speaker 1: pin back his ears and he came in two hundred
43:25
Speaker 1: yards on a string right to it. It was one
43:28
Speaker 1: of the coolest things I've ever seen. So, um, you know,
43:31
Speaker 1: it's really cool in a situation like that. Um. But
43:33
Speaker 1: I'll preface with one other thing. I would only use
43:36
Speaker 1: a decoy in a situation like this where you've got
43:39
Speaker 1: relatively low hunting pressure, um, and where you've got a
43:42
Speaker 1: lot of mature bucks. Because in a situation like in Michigan,
43:45
Speaker 1: where there's tons of other hunters and there's not a
43:47
Speaker 1: lot of mature bucks, I think you're more likely to
43:50
Speaker 1: spook dear. And you're also going to be spooking a
43:52
Speaker 1: lot of doughs because lots of times when you've got
43:55
Speaker 1: a bunch of doughs coming out into a field or
43:57
Speaker 1: wherever and they see this decoy, that's gonna make them
43:59
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable. So another thing I should mention is that
44:03
Speaker 1: it might not be the best idea to use this
44:05
Speaker 1: in an area where there's gonna be lots of deer
44:07
Speaker 1: coming up close to that decoy, because those does start
44:10
Speaker 1: getting concerned, they start blowing. Then of you that situation
44:12
Speaker 1: where any deer coming into the area is getting spooked
44:15
Speaker 1: by the decoy before you even get a chance for
44:17
Speaker 1: mature buck to see it. So an ideal situation is
44:19
Speaker 1: like a low dear density area where these deer are
44:22
Speaker 1: going to be passing in the open long ways away,
44:24
Speaker 1: and you just call to that mature buck when you
44:26
Speaker 1: see him, and then he travels towards you and you
44:28
Speaker 1: can use a decoy that way. That's that's kind of
44:30
Speaker 1: an ideal setup. So I don't use a decoy in Michigan.
44:34
Speaker 1: I've used them in Ohio in Iowa though, you know
44:36
Speaker 1: when I've got that different set of circumstances. So that's
44:40
Speaker 1: my two cents on decoys. Is that that I'll make
44:44
Speaker 1: sense to you guys? It did cool? Sounded sounded great,
44:50
Speaker 1: all right? Question Question number two comes from John Z.
44:57
Speaker 1: John Z says listening to your trips West has inspired
45:01
Speaker 1: me to hunt new areas of public land. I'm planning
45:04
Speaker 1: a backpack whitetail rut hunt and I had a few
45:06
Speaker 1: questions for you. Number one, how do you keep your
45:09
Speaker 1: weight down for packing in when you're carrying in a
45:11
Speaker 1: stand and sticks and a tent and camping gear. Um?
45:15
Speaker 1: And then he asked if I've got a standard gear
45:17
Speaker 1: list for a three night trip um, and he just
45:21
Speaker 1: says he's not a backpack RSIs is all kind of
45:23
Speaker 1: new to me. Doesn't want to leave out any essentials,
45:25
Speaker 1: but I also don't want to pack anything unnecessary. Um,
45:29
Speaker 1: so Dan, you do a lot of packing in with
45:31
Speaker 1: your standing sticks. I don't know if you want to
45:33
Speaker 1: give me a few thoughts on how do you keep
45:34
Speaker 1: your weight down? From that standpoint, um, But but then
45:38
Speaker 1: we can also talk about the camping gear side of
45:40
Speaker 1: things too, but from I don't know, I mean high level.
45:43
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on that day? Yeah, I mean,
45:46
Speaker 1: and then I will I'll stick to the gear for
45:50
Speaker 1: the actual hunt, not the camping type of stuff. But
45:53
Speaker 1: for me, I mean, you hear a lot of people talk, um.
45:58
Speaker 1: I I follow um a YouTube guy he has a
46:03
Speaker 1: podcast now, but the the d I Y Sportsman, right
46:05
Speaker 1: he talks all the time about how to you know,
46:09
Speaker 1: lighten your gear load and um make it easier for
46:14
Speaker 1: you on on these public land running gun hunts. And
46:18
Speaker 1: but for me, like even walking in a mile with
46:22
Speaker 1: a very heavy pack, is I'm okay with that? Uh?
46:27
Speaker 1: If because I have the right gear, so like I
46:29
Speaker 1: have a lone Wolf tree stand and four lone Wolf sticks.
46:32
Speaker 1: And then if it's cold out. I have overalls and
46:35
Speaker 1: typically a grunt tube and um uh my my rattling
46:40
Speaker 1: alers right so close stand and then the stuff that
46:44
Speaker 1: goes along with that. Now, I'm not too concerned with weight.
46:49
Speaker 1: If you are concerned with the way, there's a ton
46:52
Speaker 1: of different options to to reduce your weight as far
46:56
Speaker 1: as gear. Um, you know, I wouldn't sacrifice on the
46:59
Speaker 1: tree stand and uh part of it only because um,
47:04
Speaker 1: you know, certain tree stands are really good for running
47:07
Speaker 1: guns setups. Like I always say this, and Mark, I
47:09
Speaker 1: know you you use them too, not all the time,
47:12
Speaker 1: but the Lone Wolf Man, it's just like it's lightweight.
47:15
Speaker 1: It's one of the best stands for a running gun
47:18
Speaker 1: type hunt. It's very light. But they also make these
47:21
Speaker 1: tree saddles, and I don't know if any of you
47:23
Speaker 1: guys have um any experience with those. I know I
47:28
Speaker 1: don't personally, But it's basically alignman's belt that an arborist
47:33
Speaker 1: would use, and you basically sit down in this sling
47:36
Speaker 1: for the entire hunt, and you stand either on your
47:39
Speaker 1: top step or on a very small platform. Uh. There's
47:43
Speaker 1: there's a variety of options like that. Uh. You can
47:46
Speaker 1: make alterations to your sticks where you can um puts
47:52
Speaker 1: some some rope to extend the sticks, so you're taking
47:56
Speaker 1: less sticks with you, but you're still able to gain
47:59
Speaker 1: the height of let's say, like four sticks or screwing steps,
48:03
Speaker 1: um options like that. For me, I don't film my hunts,
48:07
Speaker 1: so I am no longer taking in a camera arm.
48:10
Speaker 1: I'm no longer taking in a video camera. Maybe again,
48:14
Speaker 1: maybe someday that will change, but as of right now,
48:16
Speaker 1: that's like ten extra pounds of gear that I'm not
48:19
Speaker 1: having to take in because I don't I don't film
48:22
Speaker 1: my hunts anymore. Um. You know, although I am a
48:26
Speaker 1: huge believer in osonics, so I'm taking that piece of
48:29
Speaker 1: equipment with me instead. I mean, it just it just
48:34
Speaker 1: is a matter of how far you're gonna be going
48:37
Speaker 1: for me in additional ten pounds for having the right
48:40
Speaker 1: gear or bringing in some something that makes me more
48:46
Speaker 1: makes setting up and tearing down more comfortable. I'm okay
48:49
Speaker 1: with adding an additional ten ten fift pounds. Okay, yeah,
48:53
Speaker 1: I mean agree when it comes to bring it. If
48:56
Speaker 1: you're gonna do a hanging hunt type stand or type
48:58
Speaker 1: situation like this, I do highly recommend a high quality
49:03
Speaker 1: lightweight stand like I buy super cheap, crappy stands for
49:07
Speaker 1: like all of my spots that I'm just setting up
49:09
Speaker 1: in the spring or somewhere and leaving up, you know,
49:11
Speaker 1: for the year. Like I buy the fourty dollar stands.
49:13
Speaker 1: I'm that guy that only spends forty bucks on the
49:15
Speaker 1: stand for those. But when it comes to my hangings,
49:18
Speaker 1: my hanging hunt setups, yeah, I'm spending like two hue
49:21
Speaker 1: hundred bucks for stand two hundred bucks or sticks or
49:23
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. So yeah, I've liked the Lone
49:25
Speaker 1: Wolf Assault. UM, I've used a muddy outfitter that I've liked. UM.
49:30
Speaker 1: I've got a new stand I'm gonna try this year,
49:32
Speaker 1: the Hawk Helium UM that I'm gonna give a try
49:35
Speaker 1: as you know, kind of adding that into the mix.
49:38
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's good to have a lightweight stand. A
49:41
Speaker 1: lightweight stand, I think in my book most of them,
49:43
Speaker 1: like twelve pounds eleven pounds something around there or less
49:46
Speaker 1: is pretty darn light fir stand. That's what the Lone
49:48
Speaker 1: Wolf Assault comes in at. UM. I know the xop
49:51
Speaker 1: stands are similar. Um you can get their small one
49:54
Speaker 1: that's right around eleven pounds. UM. I can't remember what
49:57
Speaker 1: this helium ways, but I think it's somewhere around that. Um,
50:00
Speaker 1: there's a millennium stand that's super lightweight that I remember
50:02
Speaker 1: seeing an a t A. So, so look into some
50:04
Speaker 1: kind of option like that, I'd recommend, because if you're
50:07
Speaker 1: backpacking in with not only all of your hunting gear,
50:09
Speaker 1: but then also gear to sleep with, um, that is
50:12
Speaker 1: going to be a heavy pack. I thought about doing
50:14
Speaker 1: a backpack whitetail hunt. UM. I was actually thinking about
50:17
Speaker 1: like next year maybe like going out west backing backpacking
50:20
Speaker 1: in and doing this kind of thing. I mean, that
50:22
Speaker 1: would be a really cool hunt, but it would be,
50:24
Speaker 1: uh man, a lot of crap to take in there,
50:26
Speaker 1: because then imagine if you shoot a buck, then you
50:28
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta pack the buck out, just like get
50:30
Speaker 1: an elk or something, and then you gotta go back
50:32
Speaker 1: in and get all your other gear. You know. It's
50:34
Speaker 1: just like an elk hunt or a mule deer hunt,
50:36
Speaker 1: except where you're adding all your tree stand type set
50:39
Speaker 1: up stuff with it too. So, um, Spencer, do you
50:43
Speaker 1: have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I guess like if
50:46
Speaker 1: you're doing a backpack trip hunt like that. Obviously the
50:50
Speaker 1: three most crucial things to to kill a deer's your
50:53
Speaker 1: bow arrow and release and like the easiest of those
50:56
Speaker 1: to break or lose as you release, So just have
50:59
Speaker 1: an extra one with you, Like I found that. I'll
51:02
Speaker 1: even forget it just on my haunts around here. Um.
51:05
Speaker 1: And I mean it could just ruin at night, because
51:07
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about it. So I just
51:09
Speaker 1: have like a release I keep in my backpack all
51:11
Speaker 1: the time. Um. And that I could save a guy
51:14
Speaker 1: a real headache if you were going to backpack in
51:16
Speaker 1: somewhere for like four or five days and that breaks
51:19
Speaker 1: down on you. Good suck. A good point. That's a
51:22
Speaker 1: very good point. And that I was actually gonna say,
51:25
Speaker 1: you know, my my next piece of advice was gonna
51:28
Speaker 1: be don't bring anything that's not absolutely necessary. But you're right,
51:33
Speaker 1: there's a few pieces that are like easily that could
51:36
Speaker 1: easily break, um, that might not be worth having a backup. Um.
51:43
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do a lot of backpacking. I do a
51:45
Speaker 1: lot of stuff like this, and I'm always a minimalist,
51:47
Speaker 1: and that I try to take as little as I
51:49
Speaker 1: possibly can, because if you start taking everything, we're like,
51:52
Speaker 1: I might need it. Oh, that'd be nice to have
51:54
Speaker 1: if you do that, if you make that decision for
51:57
Speaker 1: like five or six or seven different things to start
52:00
Speaker 1: adding up, all of a sudden, you've got pounds and
52:01
Speaker 1: pounds and pounds of extra weight, and it does make
52:03
Speaker 1: a big difference. Um. But like last summer, we're going
52:06
Speaker 1: on a backpacking trip, and usually I just bring one layer,
52:09
Speaker 1: one set of clothes. My wife and I. You know,
52:11
Speaker 1: it's just you wear what you're walking with. You don't
52:13
Speaker 1: bring anything else. You bring additional layers for colder weather,
52:16
Speaker 1: but that's it. So she brought only one pair of pants,
52:19
Speaker 1: and we go hiking way up into this big alpine
52:21
Speaker 1: basin in Wyoming, and we crossed a river, a creek
52:25
Speaker 1: type deal stream, I guess kind of it's in between.
52:27
Speaker 1: And my wife fell off of a rock, crashed into
52:30
Speaker 1: the stream and got completely soaked. And it was almost
52:33
Speaker 1: dark and there was snow everywhere. It was really cold
52:35
Speaker 1: up there, and it was gonna be like a freezing
52:36
Speaker 1: cold night, and she had just soaked her entire lower half. Um,
52:41
Speaker 1: and she didn't have any extra clothes at all. So
52:45
Speaker 1: if she didn't have anything extra, she would have had
52:47
Speaker 1: a really miserable rest of the night. But luckily, one
52:51
Speaker 1: of our friends was with us and she was more
52:53
Speaker 1: new to backpacking, and she ignored my advice to only
52:57
Speaker 1: bring one set of clothes, and she had brought extras.
52:59
Speaker 1: And in that case we were very glad she brought
53:02
Speaker 1: extras because now my wife had a dry pair closes
53:04
Speaker 1: to where that night instead of freezing soaking wet in
53:07
Speaker 1: her sleeping bag that night. So sometimes it does pay
53:10
Speaker 1: to have some extra stuff. I would still recommend in general,
53:13
Speaker 1: try to be as minimalless as possible when doing something
53:16
Speaker 1: like this. Um. You know, when it comes to backpacking gear,
53:22
Speaker 1: stuff can be expensive, but paying to get lower weight stuff,
53:27
Speaker 1: you know, lighter weight things, it does in the end
53:30
Speaker 1: pay off if you're going to do enough of this
53:31
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So if you're going in one time,
53:33
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to spend thousands of dollars on
53:35
Speaker 1: new backpacking gear. Maybe try to rent something. A lot
53:38
Speaker 1: of sporting goods stores rent some of the stuff, or
53:41
Speaker 1: borrow something from friends. But if you're gonna be doing
53:43
Speaker 1: backpacking trips like this often every year, I'm a big
53:46
Speaker 1: believer now that I've been doing it for so long
53:48
Speaker 1: to you know, suck it up. If you can save
53:50
Speaker 1: a little money or invest in nice things over time.
53:53
Speaker 1: So this year, no, you're gonna have a heavy tent,
53:56
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have a nice lightweight sleeping bag or
53:58
Speaker 1: something like that, and slowly make your way to you
54:00
Speaker 1: can afford to have some of these things. But a
54:02
Speaker 1: good quality lightweight sleeping bag, a good quality lightweight tent,
54:06
Speaker 1: a good quality lightweight sleeping pad, a few things like
54:10
Speaker 1: that are worth spending money on. In my opinion, it's
54:12
Speaker 1: gonna make it a lot more enjoyable because if you're
54:14
Speaker 1: living out there, those things really make the difference, especially
54:18
Speaker 1: when you get in early weather. I mean, Dan, you
54:19
Speaker 1: know what happens when you don't have a high quality
54:21
Speaker 1: tent in gnarly weather on a backpacking hunt, right, You
54:24
Speaker 1: get to know one of your best friends really well,
54:27
Speaker 1: really well, Hey, Mark, can I sleep in here with
54:30
Speaker 1: you tonight? Yeah? Um so so that would be my recommendation.
54:36
Speaker 1: I Um, I could run through a whole list of
54:40
Speaker 1: different gear. Um that would take too much time. So
54:43
Speaker 1: maybe I'll try to fol up on this with a
54:45
Speaker 1: little bit more. But I actually do have a blog
54:47
Speaker 1: post that I wrote up for Wired Hunt in this
54:49
Speaker 1: past spring, I think, which listed all the gear I
54:53
Speaker 1: use for a d I y out of state white
54:55
Speaker 1: tent hunt, like a camping hunt. And I listed some
54:58
Speaker 1: of the things, um that you could do for backpacking hunt.
55:00
Speaker 1: So you want like a good lightweight backpacking stove like
55:03
Speaker 1: I use the MSR Pocket Rocket. I use ri I
55:06
Speaker 1: half dome uh plus tent that's a pretty decent, relatively
55:11
Speaker 1: affordable backpacking tent I use. I got a new sleeping
55:13
Speaker 1: bag this year that I love. It's a Mormot Never Summer.
55:16
Speaker 1: Got my first down sleeping bag and man worth the money.
55:20
Speaker 1: It's like luxuriously nice. I use a therm Arrest Neo
55:23
Speaker 1: Light Neo air x Light sleeping pad again, super lightweight,
55:28
Speaker 1: super small. Um. It took me time to get these
55:31
Speaker 1: nicer pieces. But something to think about. And if you've
55:33
Speaker 1: got more gear questions, feel free to shoot me a note.
55:35
Speaker 1: I will try to answer those more specifically, but I
55:39
Speaker 1: don't want to don't want to dwell too much on
55:40
Speaker 1: all that. But man, I think it's a cool idea.
55:43
Speaker 1: I think John's in for a super fun hunt. Um.
55:46
Speaker 1: I would definitely like to do somebody that in the future.
55:49
Speaker 1: Do you guys want the next question? Paula Paula has
55:54
Speaker 1: a question. Paula and is a avid female hunter, and
56:00
Speaker 1: she watched one of the wild podcasts that I do
56:04
Speaker 1: with Matt Jury and Terry Jury, and we were talking
56:07
Speaker 1: about making mock mock scrapes, and she says she's anxious
56:09
Speaker 1: to try using mox scrapes and see what it brings in.
56:12
Speaker 1: But one thing that we didn't touch on is if
56:15
Speaker 1: we use any attractance in our mock scrapes, and if so,
56:18
Speaker 1: how many should you use? Um? And how many scrapes
56:21
Speaker 1: should actually make in a certain area in a large
56:23
Speaker 1: or small area. Do either you guys use mox scrapes.
56:26
Speaker 1: I think you do a little bit, Dan, Right, Yeah, man,
56:29
Speaker 1: I just I'm kind of fading out of all that stuff.
56:35
Speaker 1: I feel. UM, mock scrapes I think might be good
56:39
Speaker 1: if you do it right for trail getting maybe something
56:43
Speaker 1: in front of a trail camera. But there's a lot
56:47
Speaker 1: of risk to doing that, especially if the way I
56:50
Speaker 1: look at it is a lot of these people are
56:52
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who are using mock scrapes.
56:54
Speaker 1: Let's say you're going into hunt that day, then you're walking.
56:59
Speaker 1: Let's say you're gonna hunt over a scrape, so you're
57:01
Speaker 1: walking over there to freshen it up right before, or
57:06
Speaker 1: hanging something off the licking branch, or sprinkling something in
57:09
Speaker 1: the scrape itself. You're running the risk of contaminating that
57:13
Speaker 1: area with your scent, right. So it's it's it's like
57:19
Speaker 1: a it's risk. It's a it's a risk that I
57:22
Speaker 1: don't know if it's it's worth it for me anyway,
57:25
Speaker 1: I've done it in the past. I've had a lot
57:28
Speaker 1: of you know, your three year old and younger's come
57:31
Speaker 1: through and and investigate. But I'll be honest, I've never
57:37
Speaker 1: had a mature buck, a big mature buck investigate a
57:42
Speaker 1: a mock scrape that I've made. Let's say that day,
57:47
Speaker 1: um come investigate right in front of my trees day
57:50
Speaker 1: and I've got him on trail camera doing it. But
57:53
Speaker 1: it's nothing that's ever helped me seal the deal, um,
57:57
Speaker 1: towards that, you know, for actually getting the shot. Most
58:01
Speaker 1: of it, you know, comes down to tree stand position
58:04
Speaker 1: and whether or not you're in the right location. Yeah, yeah,
58:08
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you on a lot of that. UM.
58:10
Speaker 1: I really only look at mock scrapes for two reasons. One,
58:14
Speaker 1: I use them to get trail camera inventory. So you
58:18
Speaker 1: know we've talked about this before, but like on my
58:20
Speaker 1: on the properties that I can plant food plots. So
58:24
Speaker 1: I've gotten now two properties of Michigan where have food plots.
58:26
Speaker 1: I've got a Southern Michigan property I have permission on,
58:29
Speaker 1: and then i have a Northern Michigan property that's been
58:31
Speaker 1: in my family. And both of those and now we've
58:33
Speaker 1: been able to plant plots in those situations, I either
58:36
Speaker 1: create a mock scrape on a tree that's along the
58:38
Speaker 1: edge of it or so I've done that on the
58:40
Speaker 1: Northern Michigan properties and on the Southern Michigan property, I
58:43
Speaker 1: put a fake scrape tree actually out in the middle
58:45
Speaker 1: of the plot because those are bigger plots, and I'm
58:48
Speaker 1: using that to a help me get pictures of bucks
58:50
Speaker 1: that are coming into that food plot. I'm giving them
58:52
Speaker 1: a piece of structure to come to, which very often
58:55
Speaker 1: they do, and that allows me to more consistently get
58:58
Speaker 1: pictures of the deer that come through there. But then
59:00
Speaker 1: also it does give me a little bit, maybe a
59:02
Speaker 1: couple of percentage points more of a chance that buck
59:04
Speaker 1: might come to within shooting range when he enters that
59:06
Speaker 1: food plot. And or that he stops for a shot,
59:10
Speaker 1: so I put those in all my food plots. Um.
59:13
Speaker 1: And then the only other situation where I'm using the
59:14
Speaker 1: mock scrape would be I do this sometimes not all
59:17
Speaker 1: the time, but I'm never going in there often like
59:20
Speaker 1: re setting it up or anything like that. The only
59:22
Speaker 1: other situation is I have mock scrapes over trail camera locations,
59:26
Speaker 1: different places scattered throughout the property. And then sometimes with
59:29
Speaker 1: tree stands sites, I will clear out a mock scrape
59:32
Speaker 1: like right when if I'm setting that stand up maybe
59:35
Speaker 1: um before the season, even lots of times those will
59:38
Speaker 1: continue to get used even if you set it up
59:40
Speaker 1: in August or September or something like that. Um And
59:43
Speaker 1: just as like a little sweetener, So there's a reason
59:45
Speaker 1: maybe for a buck to stop for a few seconds
59:47
Speaker 1: as he's already passing through, and that will give me
59:50
Speaker 1: the shot. So it's not like I'm using that to
59:52
Speaker 1: draw in a deer from some far off location and
59:54
Speaker 1: like that's why I'm hunting here. I'm hunting in a
59:56
Speaker 1: specific location for many different reasons. That mock scrape there
1:00:01
Speaker 1: is just hopefully maybe a little thing that makes him
1:00:03
Speaker 1: stop for a second or that makes him come three
1:00:05
Speaker 1: yards closer, giving me a better shot. Um. That's how
1:00:08
Speaker 1: I'm using it as far as sense. Um, that was
1:00:12
Speaker 1: kind of her main question. Do I use the attractants?
1:00:15
Speaker 1: I don't use a bunch of attractings and mock scrapes.
1:00:17
Speaker 1: I've tried, you know, back in the day, I tried,
1:00:20
Speaker 1: you know, the doin estra stuff. I tried the drippers. Um.
1:00:24
Speaker 1: This year, all I've used, and I've only done this
1:00:27
Speaker 1: for my trail camera setups on a couple of spots,
1:00:30
Speaker 1: I've tried preorbital gland scent. So this is the scent
1:00:34
Speaker 1: that comes from the preorbital gland, that's the gland up
1:00:36
Speaker 1: around the eye forehead on a buck. On a deer, um,
1:00:40
Speaker 1: and they tend to rub this this Uh, this stuff
1:00:44
Speaker 1: gets on the licking branch of a scrape when a
1:00:47
Speaker 1: when a deer's in their nosing around looking around up
1:00:50
Speaker 1: on those scrape those liking branches. UM. So I've heard
1:00:53
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people talk about how
1:00:54
Speaker 1: you put this preorbital gland scent on a linking branch.
1:00:58
Speaker 1: A lot of bucks in the area will come in
1:00:59
Speaker 1: and check get out. Um, it'll be more likely to
1:01:02
Speaker 1: come in and check it out. So far, I have
1:01:05
Speaker 1: not seen any kind of like incredible difference in the
1:01:08
Speaker 1: trail camera patrires I'm getting on those mock scrapes using
1:01:11
Speaker 1: the scent um. So at this point I'm not a
1:01:14
Speaker 1: huge believer. But that's just anecdotal. It's only been on
1:01:17
Speaker 1: set of experiences so far, so I want to continue
1:01:19
Speaker 1: trying to use it in these couple setups about the
1:01:21
Speaker 1: rest of the year. When I go to those trail
1:01:23
Speaker 1: caramel locations, I'll add a little more sent in just
1:01:26
Speaker 1: in case. Because I'm only going there in very specific cases.
1:01:29
Speaker 1: I'm not going very often, but when I do, I
1:01:31
Speaker 1: will dab it a little more in there and see
1:01:33
Speaker 1: what happens. Um. But up to you know, otherwise, I
1:01:37
Speaker 1: just take a piss in it. I take a p
1:01:38
Speaker 1: in the scrape, and that's been enough for me. Research
1:01:42
Speaker 1: has proven that doesn't spook dear After a little bit.
1:01:44
Speaker 1: It smells no different than you know, a dear yearine
1:01:47
Speaker 1: in there. So that's my take on it, Spencer, anything
1:01:50
Speaker 1: else you'd add, I agree with you guys on that
1:01:53
Speaker 1: it's like a really good way to get you know,
1:01:55
Speaker 1: buck inventory. But as far as hunting, there's just not
1:01:58
Speaker 1: a ton of value there. Um, But trailer cameras, I
1:02:02
Speaker 1: love hanging trail cameras on ox scrapes. You go over
1:02:05
Speaker 1: a rubber or something and you're gonna get really blurry
1:02:07
Speaker 1: pictures and then it's like very seasonal, whereas like scrapes,
1:02:11
Speaker 1: you know, pretty much the whole month of October and
1:02:14
Speaker 1: put it on food you're gonna get you know, enviromints
1:02:16
Speaker 1: and doughs and stuff like that. Um. So that's why
1:02:19
Speaker 1: I think scrapes are great for trail cameras. But like
1:02:21
Speaker 1: I said, not a ton of hunting value. Yeah. Well,
1:02:23
Speaker 1: let's let's take for a second and talk about like
1:02:26
Speaker 1: statistics and remember that where are you going to find
1:02:31
Speaker 1: a majority of scrapes. They're going to be on a
1:02:34
Speaker 1: field edge setting. When do big bucks come and visit
1:02:39
Speaker 1: field edge type settings? Typically after dark? So it's not
1:02:45
Speaker 1: gonna help you any to use some kind of scent
1:02:48
Speaker 1: in a scrape if where you're actually hunting, isn't a
1:02:54
Speaker 1: scenario that a big buck is gonna come visit, um
1:02:59
Speaker 1: in that in shooting hours so to speak. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah,
1:03:03
Speaker 1: I mean I think a lot of those big field
1:03:05
Speaker 1: age type situations. For sure, that's just you're gonna see
1:03:08
Speaker 1: those scrapes mock scrapes or real scrapes, and people get
1:03:11
Speaker 1: all excited about them. But yeah, lots of times if
1:03:13
Speaker 1: it's why in the wide opencent the time that's getting
1:03:17
Speaker 1: hit after dark and and big bucks aren't using scrapes
1:03:24
Speaker 1: the entire rut they break off, they're not scraping when
1:03:27
Speaker 1: they're tending a dough. So so again that time frame
1:03:32
Speaker 1: during the rut when most people are hunting is it's
1:03:37
Speaker 1: almost like, yeah, it's good early season and and hopefully
1:03:41
Speaker 1: maybe there's a buck visiting a scrape. But in the rut,
1:03:45
Speaker 1: you know, the let's say the ruts two weeks long
1:03:47
Speaker 1: or three weeks long, Uh, they're breeding doughs in that,
1:03:51
Speaker 1: and so they're not hitting that scrape every day. They
1:03:55
Speaker 1: might uh while they're looking for does, but when when
1:03:59
Speaker 1: they hit that, So that just more time that a
1:04:00
Speaker 1: buck's not using its great. Yeah, I think I think
1:04:03
Speaker 1: that the the research I've seen has shown that scraping
1:04:07
Speaker 1: behavior kind of slowly starts ramping up through October, and
1:04:11
Speaker 1: it peaks around that last week of October, like the
1:04:14
Speaker 1: twenty three through somewhere around there, tends to be the
1:04:17
Speaker 1: peak of actual visiting scrapes purposely and and working them
1:04:22
Speaker 1: for bucks um, and then it tends a tail off
1:04:24
Speaker 1: after that, like you said, during the rut. I think
1:04:26
Speaker 1: the one situation, and it's the one we've been talking about,
1:04:29
Speaker 1: is like if a buck is already coming through an
1:04:31
Speaker 1: area already because he's looking for doze or whatever it
1:04:34
Speaker 1: might be, and he happens to be walking near a
1:04:37
Speaker 1: licking branch in a scrape, many times he'll he'll he'll
1:04:40
Speaker 1: move four yards closer to get a quick whiff of
1:04:43
Speaker 1: that and smell it, or he'll circle down wind of
1:04:44
Speaker 1: it to get a whiff of it um. Because that's
1:04:46
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, it's a it's a community
1:04:49
Speaker 1: like signpost of ways. There's lots of deer that do
1:04:51
Speaker 1: pass through. They're leaving their scent, leaving some kind of message.
1:04:54
Speaker 1: So I think it can be valuable to have a
1:04:56
Speaker 1: mock scrape near your setup that maybe you just maybe
1:04:59
Speaker 1: you made sure there's a lick branch available in the summer,
1:05:02
Speaker 1: when you've set up the tree standing and you just say, okay,
1:05:04
Speaker 1: you know, maybe deer will start making a scrape here
1:05:05
Speaker 1: and then lo and behold if that ends up happening
1:05:08
Speaker 1: and you sort of created this mock scrape set up
1:05:10
Speaker 1: that deer start touching on and you've got a buck
1:05:13
Speaker 1: that comes through the little pinch point that you're sitting
1:05:16
Speaker 1: and you happen to have that licking branch there, and
1:05:18
Speaker 1: that's where he stops for two seconds, puts his head
1:05:20
Speaker 1: up to take a whiff. Whack. There's your shot. So um,
1:05:25
Speaker 1: it's it can be a nice little sweeteners sometimes, but
1:05:27
Speaker 1: you make a great point about the fact that you
1:05:29
Speaker 1: I don't think in most cases you should be centering
1:05:31
Speaker 1: your whole hunt around something like that. Um. The one
1:05:35
Speaker 1: situation where some guys like to do this is you
1:05:38
Speaker 1: hear like a John Eberhart type and and some people
1:05:40
Speaker 1: like that who who focus on what they call primary
1:05:43
Speaker 1: scrape areas. So these aren't necessarily mock scrapes. These are
1:05:47
Speaker 1: areas back and cover where there's a a saturated area
1:05:52
Speaker 1: of scrapes, so a thick cover area that's kind of
1:05:55
Speaker 1: an area of transition though that a lot of deer
1:05:57
Speaker 1: passing through. You help a staging are exactly, um, where
1:06:00
Speaker 1: there's numerous scrapes popping up in a small area. Some
1:06:03
Speaker 1: guys swear by that type of spot being a good
1:06:05
Speaker 1: place to set up. UM. But again, this isn't one
1:06:09
Speaker 1: of those wide open field type situations where most guys
1:06:11
Speaker 1: try hunting scrapes. It's a different type scenario. So, uh,
1:06:16
Speaker 1: that's that's that's mark scrapes for We did talk about
1:06:21
Speaker 1: trail cameras though there you were talking Spencer about how
1:06:24
Speaker 1: much we we all kind of talked about it, um.
1:06:26
Speaker 1: But our next We've got another question about trail cameras
1:06:28
Speaker 1: that I think would be a good one to jump
1:06:30
Speaker 1: over to. It's from Ben and Ben uh he asks,
1:06:35
Speaker 1: I'm curious about what kind of settings you recommend using
1:06:38
Speaker 1: for trail cameras. I've got five out and I usually
1:06:40
Speaker 1: have a minute delay, but I've actually missed a few bucks,
1:06:43
Speaker 1: so I was thinking about going down to thirty seconds
1:06:45
Speaker 1: or less. Curious about what your thoughts are on that.
1:06:48
Speaker 1: And you just have one more question related trail cameras.
1:06:50
Speaker 1: But let's tackle that first. One time recommendations delay for
1:06:54
Speaker 1: trail cameras. Uh, Spencer, what's your trail camera you typical
1:06:58
Speaker 1: set up? So almost all of mine are like a
1:07:02
Speaker 1: three shot burst for fifteen seconds, and I don't see
1:07:06
Speaker 1: any reason to go up to thirty seconds or a minute,
1:07:08
Speaker 1: unless you're not confident that like your battery life is
1:07:11
Speaker 1: gonna make it, or that your worried your memory card
1:07:14
Speaker 1: will fill up. Um, if you don't think those two
1:07:17
Speaker 1: things are an issue, then I don't think there's a
1:07:18
Speaker 1: good reason to, you know, not knock it down to
1:07:22
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen second delays. Interesting, All right, what and
1:07:27
Speaker 1: then see that you do through a three picture burst?
1:07:29
Speaker 1: He said, yes, yep. Do you ever do like a
1:07:32
Speaker 1: plot scanner mode or you know, the time lapse type
1:07:36
Speaker 1: mode on any of your cameras? Uh No, But that's
1:07:39
Speaker 1: also just because I don't hunt much for like food
1:07:41
Speaker 1: plots and stuff like that. Okay, what about you, Dan, Yeah,
1:07:45
Speaker 1: I'm I'm probably right at that thirty second mark for
1:07:48
Speaker 1: hunting right now if I'm over a mineral station or
1:07:52
Speaker 1: let's say, like a field edge where I I know,
1:07:57
Speaker 1: uh so, really, the only scenario that we're talking about
1:07:59
Speaker 1: here is a dough coming through or a line of
1:08:03
Speaker 1: deer coming through, and you're missing the last one. You're missing.
1:08:07
Speaker 1: What happens whatever time frame from the time that first
1:08:10
Speaker 1: deer triggers your camera to the you know, let's say
1:08:15
Speaker 1: the scenario is a dough chasing or a buck chasing
1:08:18
Speaker 1: a dough. Right, you don't know what buck is chasing
1:08:20
Speaker 1: that dough through because the dough triggers the camera, and
1:08:23
Speaker 1: maybe there's a line of bucks or a buck cruising
1:08:26
Speaker 1: right behind her. So when it comes to at the
1:08:29
Speaker 1: actual hunting season, I dropped mind down to probably somewhere
1:08:33
Speaker 1: around thirty seconds. Um. But again, placement of how you're
1:08:39
Speaker 1: placing your trail camera has a lot to do with
1:08:44
Speaker 1: with that. If you're if all the deer are coming
1:08:46
Speaker 1: by you broadside, you're going to miss shots no matter
1:08:50
Speaker 1: how fast you have that set, because a deer can
1:08:54
Speaker 1: walk in long ways and even five seconds right, it
1:08:57
Speaker 1: can walk out of the It can walk out of
1:08:59
Speaker 1: the are the scope of your your trail camera, So
1:09:03
Speaker 1: be sure to have that trail camera angled down that
1:09:06
Speaker 1: trail wherever you think that they're going, so you're catching
1:09:10
Speaker 1: everything at an angle in in a way a bigger area. Right.
1:09:15
Speaker 1: That's good. You can see what's what, you can see
1:09:16
Speaker 1: what's behind the dough. That's true. I um, you know,
1:09:22
Speaker 1: I think that the one situation where I do the
1:09:27
Speaker 1: minute long delay is in the summer on a place
1:09:30
Speaker 1: where I can run trail cameras, like you said, Dan
1:09:33
Speaker 1: over bait or mineral. So yeah, I usually do a
1:09:36
Speaker 1: three picture burst one minute delay, because what I get
1:09:39
Speaker 1: lots of times in a situation like that is you
1:09:41
Speaker 1: have the same dough and two fawns sit there for
1:09:44
Speaker 1: an hour and they use up all your card, all
1:09:47
Speaker 1: your battery um or like in Michigan. Right now you
1:09:50
Speaker 1: can put a small amount of food or bait out
1:09:53
Speaker 1: and so I will use that like right now to
1:09:55
Speaker 1: try to get inventory of the bucks. So I put
1:09:57
Speaker 1: out a little bit of corn in front of these
1:09:59
Speaker 1: trail cameras to hopefully get a picture of holy Field
1:10:02
Speaker 1: or whoever when they come in. I'm not going in
1:10:04
Speaker 1: there more often than that because I don't want the pressure.
1:10:06
Speaker 1: But in a situation like that, got deer that sit
1:10:09
Speaker 1: in front of the trail camera for a long time.
1:10:12
Speaker 1: So right now I've got the long delay and the
1:10:15
Speaker 1: three shot burst. I'm gonna switch that down though on
1:10:18
Speaker 1: these sealt cameras once that's gone and now, because now
1:10:21
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for movement that comes to the food
1:10:23
Speaker 1: plot or hits the scrape tree. So then I'll move
1:10:26
Speaker 1: down to a thirty second delay. And to your point, Spencer,
1:10:29
Speaker 1: I think if you're if you've got a trail camera
1:10:31
Speaker 1: set up, you know, in a transition area or something,
1:10:34
Speaker 1: we're deer gonna be passing through and out of it
1:10:35
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. I agree a fifteen second delay or something
1:10:38
Speaker 1: like that should be fine to give you a better
1:10:40
Speaker 1: chance of getting more pictures, because you're right, there's not
1:10:42
Speaker 1: gonna be any deer that's sit there for forever chewing
1:10:45
Speaker 1: up all your battery. Um. So I think, Ben, I
1:10:48
Speaker 1: think you can definitely move down to less than a
1:10:50
Speaker 1: minute delay in a situation, as long as it's not
1:10:53
Speaker 1: on a food like a you know, pile of corn
1:10:56
Speaker 1: or mineral or something like that, that it's gonna hold
1:10:58
Speaker 1: deer for a super long time. Now, his his next
1:11:01
Speaker 1: question is foul up question. He says, Since I've got you,
1:11:04
Speaker 1: I'll ask one more. Yeah, oh, Ben, he said, And
1:11:10
Speaker 1: this was in August three, he said this, So this
1:11:13
Speaker 1: is a very timely response. In Mark Kenyon world, he's
1:11:16
Speaker 1: getting a month delay. That's pretty good. Um. He says
1:11:20
Speaker 1: that he checked his cameras about two and a half
1:11:22
Speaker 1: weeks ago, so in mid August he checked these cameras
1:11:24
Speaker 1: and all of his buck sightings were in the morning.
1:11:27
Speaker 1: He thought that was sort of unusual. Some were located
1:11:30
Speaker 1: on mineral sites on a food plot, and some were
1:11:33
Speaker 1: just mineral sites on trails. His question was, what do
1:11:36
Speaker 1: you think about that? And then should that, you know,
1:11:39
Speaker 1: impact tom hunting when the season opens. My thoughts are,
1:11:43
Speaker 1: you know, whatever you're seeing in mid August doesn't really
1:11:46
Speaker 1: matter for your hunting season. You know, if let's say
1:11:50
Speaker 1: right now, he's listening to this now, at this point,
1:11:52
Speaker 1: he's not hunting, you know, until late September or early
1:11:54
Speaker 1: octoberd depending on when his season opened. I can't remember where.
1:11:58
Speaker 1: I don't know if he told me what state he
1:11:59
Speaker 1: was in. UM, So I wouldn't I wouldn't read too
1:12:02
Speaker 1: much into that because patterns in mid August are very
1:12:04
Speaker 1: different than patterns in late September or early October. So
1:12:08
Speaker 1: you need to reassess what those deer during the are
1:12:11
Speaker 1: doing during the fall. Um. We've had the debate many
1:12:15
Speaker 1: times between me and Dan about that, the efficacy of
1:12:18
Speaker 1: hunting a morning hunt versus an evening hunt in the
1:12:20
Speaker 1: early season. UM, that's a debate we can have again
1:12:25
Speaker 1: maybe at some other point. But UM, but I think
1:12:28
Speaker 1: I wouldn't read too much into it. Reassess now, be
1:12:32
Speaker 1: very careful with trying to If you want to hunt
1:12:34
Speaker 1: in the morning, be very, very very careful about it
1:12:36
Speaker 1: because it's tough to get in there before bucks. Do
1:12:38
Speaker 1: make sure you're not spooking deer when you're heading in
1:12:41
Speaker 1: ah Dan, would you add anything else to that, Well,
1:12:45
Speaker 1: I don't know. Worry um worry hunts, but uh, be
1:12:51
Speaker 1: careful where your mineral stations are in relationship to your
1:12:54
Speaker 1: tree stands. I don't know why that that just popped
1:12:57
Speaker 1: into my hand. In Iowa, they can't really even be close.
1:13:00
Speaker 1: So or if a trail leads from the from let's
1:13:04
Speaker 1: say a field edge to where your mineral station is
1:13:08
Speaker 1: and leads back to a tree stand, you can't You
1:13:11
Speaker 1: can't have that in Iowa, So be careful with that.
1:13:14
Speaker 1: But as far as where the deer are now or
1:13:18
Speaker 1: were will they be there in a month? For me,
1:13:22
Speaker 1: there is a huge shift. And I can only speak
1:13:25
Speaker 1: for the properties that I hunt right now this time
1:13:29
Speaker 1: in September, probably a week ago. There is a huge shift.
1:13:33
Speaker 1: Once that the antlers are hard and they start to
1:13:38
Speaker 1: break away from their bachelor groups, there's a huge shift
1:13:42
Speaker 1: in where the deer are going not so much with
1:13:44
Speaker 1: the does, which is good because when the rut hits,
1:13:48
Speaker 1: you're you know where the dope groups are, and that's
1:13:50
Speaker 1: where where you want to at least start. But for
1:13:53
Speaker 1: for individual bucks man, it's hard to tell what it's
1:13:56
Speaker 1: even gonna be on my property because the the antlers,
1:14:00
Speaker 1: the antlers become hard. It's time to establish dominance, who
1:14:04
Speaker 1: get who gets what area of the farm, because that's
1:14:07
Speaker 1: what that's the first thing that happens. Once the bucks
1:14:10
Speaker 1: shed their velvet, they established dominance, whether that's fighting or
1:14:14
Speaker 1: whether that is just showing aggression and posture. The buxer
1:14:20
Speaker 1: are changing based off of a hierarchy, you know, a
1:14:25
Speaker 1: hierarchy of who's the most badass. Yeah, they're establishing that
1:14:29
Speaker 1: hierarchy now for sure. And that that shift is pretty universal, Um,
1:14:34
Speaker 1: pretty universal across the country. That happens when that when
1:14:38
Speaker 1: velvet sheds, you get that September shift. Um. How far
1:14:42
Speaker 1: those deer shift can very oftentimes vary. It can vary
1:14:46
Speaker 1: based on habitat. You know, some places they need to
1:14:49
Speaker 1: move much further. Some places it's it's more of us
1:14:51
Speaker 1: an individual deer. Some bucks some bucks do stay. I
1:14:54
Speaker 1: don't know anecdotally, I feel like I've not seen what
1:14:58
Speaker 1: the actual numbers if there's research that shows this, But anecdotally,
1:15:01
Speaker 1: I feel like forty percent, maybe almost fifty of bucks
1:15:06
Speaker 1: that I've got on trail camera in the summer will
1:15:08
Speaker 1: probably disappear in September and move somewhere different. Um it
1:15:12
Speaker 1: might be more. Yeah, so you're gonna get a You're
1:15:14
Speaker 1: gonna get a big change. And that's a good point
1:15:16
Speaker 1: because it does depend on the habitat you have. Like
1:15:18
Speaker 1: if you've got a property it's premost summer habitat, but
1:15:21
Speaker 1: you don't have good fall cover or fall food that
1:15:24
Speaker 1: could also influence how much of a shift you see. Um.
1:15:27
Speaker 1: So that's that's all. That's all great stuff, Spencer, What
1:15:30
Speaker 1: do you think anything different? No, I'm already move on perfect. Well,
1:15:35
Speaker 1: then I've got a perfect question for you, because we've
1:15:37
Speaker 1: got a question from Kevin b who is rapidly trying
1:15:41
Speaker 1: to catch up on all of our Michigan related podcasts,
1:15:44
Speaker 1: but he can't seem to find one that talks about
1:15:46
Speaker 1: tips to get a dead white tail off of public
1:15:49
Speaker 1: land without the use of motorized vehicles. So he's wondering
1:15:52
Speaker 1: if we can point in the right direction of a
1:15:54
Speaker 1: podcast where we've talked about that, or if we can
1:15:56
Speaker 1: just answer it. And I think we just answer it.
1:15:58
Speaker 1: He's wondering if we just drey I got out a
1:16:00
Speaker 1: deer off public land, or do we quarter them like
1:16:02
Speaker 1: out West. I know you do some of this kind
1:16:04
Speaker 1: of stuff, Spencer, what do you do typically? I'm not
1:16:08
Speaker 1: hunting anything that's like super huge for him. I'm backpacking
1:16:11
Speaker 1: anything like that. And so what we do a lot
1:16:13
Speaker 1: around here is we have those big deer cards UM
1:16:16
Speaker 1: and Hawk makes a really good one, has four wheels,
1:16:19
Speaker 1: and that makes getting your deer out super easy. The
1:16:21
Speaker 1: problem is it's all the way back at the truck UM,
1:16:24
Speaker 1: so you're making an extra trip, but you know, it
1:16:27
Speaker 1: makes getting that deer out a lot easier. Now, there
1:16:30
Speaker 1: can sometimes be problems with that in that Like in
1:16:33
Speaker 1: South Dakota, we have some pieces of public ground that
1:16:36
Speaker 1: are called w I a walk in area UM, and
1:16:39
Speaker 1: they are very literal about that, meaning I talked to
1:16:42
Speaker 1: a game one one time about potentially biking in on
1:16:44
Speaker 1: a piece of ground to haunt a little bit deeper,
1:16:47
Speaker 1: and he said, well, technically walking area means foot traffic only.
1:16:52
Speaker 1: And he's so he said, is that legal? No? Whatever,
1:16:56
Speaker 1: write you a ticket? No. And so I think this
1:17:00
Speaker 1: anything kind of goes with that. If those wheeled carts
1:17:02
Speaker 1: are allowed in your area and you're not hunting anything
1:17:06
Speaker 1: that's like super dramatic topography. Uh, those are a really
1:17:10
Speaker 1: good option for getting a deer out. Have you used
1:17:12
Speaker 1: that hawk one yet? Because I just saw like a
1:17:14
Speaker 1: video of it and it looked pretty cool. Um, but
1:17:16
Speaker 1: I haven't used it. I have not used that one yet. Um.
1:17:19
Speaker 1: I've used other ones in the past, like Cabella's makes
1:17:22
Speaker 1: one and stuff, and they just work really nice as
1:17:25
Speaker 1: long as you're not like rolling over dead timber all
1:17:27
Speaker 1: the time or you know, trying to get out of
1:17:29
Speaker 1: like a deep drainage. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't used one
1:17:33
Speaker 1: of the carts, um, but I have used growing up,
1:17:36
Speaker 1: we hunted. So so I've talked in the past about
1:17:39
Speaker 1: this little piece of property that my grandpa bought thirty
1:17:42
Speaker 1: some years ago that I grew up learning the deer
1:17:45
Speaker 1: hunt on, and that little piece of private that my
1:17:47
Speaker 1: family owned owns um is adjacent to a bunch of
1:17:51
Speaker 1: public lands, so I grew up. Actually I've really talked
1:17:54
Speaker 1: about this, but really most of the hunting I did
1:17:56
Speaker 1: there actually wasn't even on our private land. Most of
1:17:58
Speaker 1: it was on the public land all around there. I
1:18:00
Speaker 1: just never like thought anything about it. I just thought
1:18:02
Speaker 1: this was just where we hunted. I never really processed
1:18:04
Speaker 1: the fact that this was something special. This is public
1:18:06
Speaker 1: land and all that, um that was available to us
1:18:09
Speaker 1: for free. But um so, we used to go way
1:18:12
Speaker 1: deep into this public stuff and we just used to
1:18:16
Speaker 1: take whenever someone shot a buck back there, we just
1:18:19
Speaker 1: had an old plastic like toboggan like sled and you
1:18:23
Speaker 1: would just take that sled in there, and then that
1:18:25
Speaker 1: would make things a little bit easier getting out because
1:18:27
Speaker 1: this was like swampy stuff, so it's pretty slick, wet
1:18:29
Speaker 1: ground grass, and you could slide, you know, a deer
1:18:32
Speaker 1: on that sled a lot easier than if you were
1:18:34
Speaker 1: dragging him. Um So that worked well for us back
1:18:37
Speaker 1: then and now today. What I bought last year when
1:18:40
Speaker 1: I went out to Montana, because I knew I could
1:18:42
Speaker 1: potentially have a really long haul to get a buck out,
1:18:44
Speaker 1: I bought this thing that's called the deer So I
1:18:46
Speaker 1: was just gonna buy a sled. I was gonna do
1:18:48
Speaker 1: the old sledge trick. So I just looked for sled
1:18:50
Speaker 1: or something like that online and then I end up
1:18:53
Speaker 1: somehow getting suggested something called the deer sligh or like
1:18:57
Speaker 1: the deer slayer. I think it's what it was called.
1:18:59
Speaker 1: And it was basically a sled specifically made for this situation.
1:19:03
Speaker 1: And really, when I say sled, it's not really sled,
1:19:05
Speaker 1: it's it's like a I talked about this maybe last year. Dan,
1:19:08
Speaker 1: you might remember I referred to it as like a
1:19:10
Speaker 1: deer burrito. It is. It's basically the rolled up piece
1:19:14
Speaker 1: of thick plastic sheeting, really thick plastic sheeting that has
1:19:18
Speaker 1: grommels on the like imagine like a hot dog bun
1:19:20
Speaker 1: kind of like, so we're talking long ways hot dog bun.
1:19:22
Speaker 1: There's grommels along the long side so that you can
1:19:26
Speaker 1: lay a deer lengthwise in the burrito. Then you fold
1:19:29
Speaker 1: a burrito up around it, and then you tie you know,
1:19:32
Speaker 1: para cord through those gramats to tighten them in there.
1:19:34
Speaker 1: And then there's a big piece of cord on the
1:19:35
Speaker 1: front that you can drag that deer out with um
1:19:38
Speaker 1: and that worked pretty darn good. It's a lightweight to
1:19:40
Speaker 1: walk in there with. It gives you know, deals with
1:19:43
Speaker 1: that friction, so it's a lot easier to slide them through.
1:19:45
Speaker 1: That helped out. The one thing that sucked about it
1:19:47
Speaker 1: was the handle. It was just a piece of rope
1:19:50
Speaker 1: and that really dug into your hands. So in a
1:19:51
Speaker 1: perfect world, I would I meant to fix this this year.
1:19:54
Speaker 1: I didn't do it, but I would have liked to
1:19:56
Speaker 1: put like a water ski handle on it or something,
1:19:58
Speaker 1: so you've got a nice comfortable handle to pull with
1:20:01
Speaker 1: while you're hauling the deer out with. But um, that's
1:20:04
Speaker 1: what I'm using. I haven't had a quarter a white
1:20:07
Speaker 1: tail up um yet, I haven't done a trip that
1:20:09
Speaker 1: far in but like we talked about earlier, that would
1:20:12
Speaker 1: be pretty cool, So at some point that might be
1:20:14
Speaker 1: the case. But I think if you've got like less
1:20:15
Speaker 1: than a couple of mile haul out, I think something
1:20:19
Speaker 1: like the deer burrito or game cards a good way
1:20:21
Speaker 1: to go. So um they have those. It's like a
1:20:26
Speaker 1: it's almost like a harness that you wear and then
1:20:29
Speaker 1: it has a couple of care beaners on the back,
1:20:31
Speaker 1: and then you wrap it around a deer's head or
1:20:34
Speaker 1: his antlers and it's almost like you're pulling it yep,
1:20:37
Speaker 1: like a like a horse. Lay, have you tried one
1:20:39
Speaker 1: of those? No, we um my buddy, we we know
1:20:44
Speaker 1: the man by the name of Further, My buddy, further
1:20:49
Speaker 1: bought one of those. And so I killed the buck
1:20:52
Speaker 1: a few years ago in our Ohio property and he
1:20:56
Speaker 1: brought that and so let's try this out. And it
1:20:59
Speaker 1: just the one we use. It just wasn't well made.
1:21:02
Speaker 1: I think it was really flimsy and still like the
1:21:04
Speaker 1: straps just dug into you like crazy, into your shoulders,
1:21:07
Speaker 1: and the line that goes back to the deer wasn't,
1:21:10
Speaker 1: you know, at the good length. So either it was
1:21:12
Speaker 1: too close to you so the antlers are jabbing in
1:21:14
Speaker 1: the back of your legs, or so long that just
1:21:17
Speaker 1: the way the weight pulled on you it was super uncomfortable.
1:21:20
Speaker 1: So we're dragging across this field and then like halfway
1:21:23
Speaker 1: across the property, I all of a sudden, and this
1:21:25
Speaker 1: is how much of an idiot we are. I all
1:21:26
Speaker 1: of a sudden realized, you know, we could just talk
1:21:29
Speaker 1: to the landowner and probably drive our trucks out here
1:21:31
Speaker 1: because there's a cut bean field, there's nothing out there, Like,
1:21:33
Speaker 1: why the heck aren't we just driving our truck out
1:21:35
Speaker 1: to get it, so we we call the landowner. He's like,
1:21:38
Speaker 1: oh yeah, just drive right on back. So lesson learned
1:21:43
Speaker 1: there different obviously on public land. I'm I'm what you
1:21:47
Speaker 1: would call a badass, So I typically just throw the
1:21:51
Speaker 1: deer ungutted over my shoulders and then just walk out
1:21:55
Speaker 1: of the timber normally. Yeah, I can totally see that
1:21:58
Speaker 1: being what you would do. That's that seems like a
1:22:00
Speaker 1: smart move for sure. Of course I would take selfies
1:22:03
Speaker 1: the entire time to prove that as well. Instagram. Man,
1:22:07
Speaker 1: gotta gotta make that Instagram. I've cut the sleeves off
1:22:11
Speaker 1: of my shirt before I did that. Stand on top
1:22:13
Speaker 1: of the mountain, make the picture happen, alright, Next question,
1:22:17
Speaker 1: Next question is from next question? What the heck is
1:22:22
Speaker 1: this gonna say? This guy's from Josh. This is Josh D.
1:22:25
Speaker 1: Not to be confused with Josh further Um. Josh D
1:22:29
Speaker 1: says that his buddy and him are making their first
1:22:32
Speaker 1: trip to Kansas this year. They're gonna be up there
1:22:34
Speaker 1: in November five th eleven. They're super excited about it,
1:22:37
Speaker 1: but they are very uneducated on hunting Midwest style because
1:22:41
Speaker 1: they are from Alabama. They're hunting hardwood drawls as he
1:22:45
Speaker 1: calls them in pine ridges, And he's wondering about a
1:22:49
Speaker 1: few things. Number one, what types of cold weather gear
1:22:52
Speaker 1: should he have in his arsenal for November five through
1:22:54
Speaker 1: eleventh hunt in Kansas? Number two? What kinds of train
1:22:58
Speaker 1: features should he be targeting Kansas that time of year?
1:23:01
Speaker 1: And then number three, we had a whole lot going here.
1:23:04
Speaker 1: Number three. He says that there's gonna be a full
1:23:06
Speaker 1: moon on November four, so he's wondering how that's gonna
1:23:10
Speaker 1: affect his hunting. Should he be focusing just on mornings um?
1:23:14
Speaker 1: Or does that not mean the morning is gonna be
1:23:16
Speaker 1: so good? He also has some questions about using decoys.
1:23:19
Speaker 1: We already covered that, so we won't go anymore on
1:23:21
Speaker 1: the on the decoy questions. So I guess number one
1:23:23
Speaker 1: cold weather gear for out there. Number two terrain features.
1:23:27
Speaker 1: Number three, let's talk about the timing of the rut
1:23:30
Speaker 1: and if the moon impacts it at all? All right,
1:23:32
Speaker 1: that's what we're going with your guys. While I got you, Yeah,
1:23:35
Speaker 1: while I got you exactly? Uh, anyone wanted to tackle
1:23:40
Speaker 1: the cold weather gear? Any any thoughts there? I think
1:23:44
Speaker 1: you're the expert, aren't you? Mark? Well, I can offer
1:23:47
Speaker 1: a few thoughts. Um, this is this is the way
1:23:50
Speaker 1: you enter a sick good commercial, right. I think all
1:23:52
Speaker 1: three of us are are rocking the sick of gear,
1:23:54
Speaker 1: so we have some experience there and and yes they
1:23:58
Speaker 1: are our sponsor, but I really do think they've got
1:24:01
Speaker 1: some incredible stuff. But what we'll just keep it general.
1:24:04
Speaker 1: Whatever kind of clothing brand you would like to use,
1:24:07
Speaker 1: we use sick un We love it. But whatever you're
1:24:09
Speaker 1: gonna use. Number one, make sure you have a good
1:24:11
Speaker 1: synthetic or wool bass layer. Do not wear a cotton
1:24:15
Speaker 1: bass layer because that's you're gonna sweat no matter what.
1:24:18
Speaker 1: When you're walking in there in the morning or in
1:24:19
Speaker 1: the evening, you're probably gonna get sweaty. If you get sweaty,
1:24:23
Speaker 1: that means you're getting wet. And if you're getting wet,
1:24:25
Speaker 1: you're not able to stay warm. So where a base layer,
1:24:28
Speaker 1: it's gonna wick away that moisture. That's number one. Number
1:24:31
Speaker 1: two I would recommend some kind of easily packable insulation layer.
1:24:37
Speaker 1: So when you're walking in the morning of the evening,
1:24:40
Speaker 1: you want to be wearing as little as you possibly
1:24:42
Speaker 1: can so you reduce how much you sweat. So you
1:24:45
Speaker 1: want to pack in whatever your warm layer is, So
1:24:48
Speaker 1: that could be like a some type of puffy vest
1:24:52
Speaker 1: or puffy jacket or whatever it might be. Try to
1:24:54
Speaker 1: have something that you can put in your backpack or
1:24:56
Speaker 1: throw over your shoulder and it's not like this huge
1:24:58
Speaker 1: thing you got to carry around with you. Make search
1:25:00
Speaker 1: something that's gonna be nice and insulated. So so for me,
1:25:03
Speaker 1: like a cold weather rutt hunt, that is going to
1:25:06
Speaker 1: be for me like a fanatic vest or a fanatic jacket,
1:25:09
Speaker 1: um bicycle. And then finally I would recommend some type
1:25:13
Speaker 1: of wind stopping outer layer, so something's gonna cut the wind,
1:25:16
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of what we're getting when
1:25:18
Speaker 1: it comes to being cold and uncomfortable out there, especially
1:25:20
Speaker 1: in Kansas. Kansas is notoriously windy, so you're definitely gonna
1:25:23
Speaker 1: want to have something that's gonna cut the wind. Um.
1:25:26
Speaker 1: So again being a sick of guy, we have layers
1:25:30
Speaker 1: that have gore wind stopper. It's a specific um fabric
1:25:35
Speaker 1: layer in there that stops wind that pretty much completely
1:25:38
Speaker 1: stops the wind. It's it's terrific. So something like a
1:25:41
Speaker 1: fanatic jacket or the stratus jacket, something like that, stops
1:25:45
Speaker 1: that wind. So whatever brand it might be for you,
1:25:47
Speaker 1: try to have a piece like that. Those would be
1:25:49
Speaker 1: a three things I would mention. Um, there's a lot
1:25:52
Speaker 1: more to keep in mind, but I'll let you guys
1:25:53
Speaker 1: offer a few thoughts too. Well. Unlike you, Mark, I'll
1:25:57
Speaker 1: be a company man and say that I love Sitka's
1:26:01
Speaker 1: Incinerator hand muff. Um. Yeah, like for cold weather stuff.
1:26:05
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it for archery specifically because I don't
1:26:08
Speaker 1: have to wear big bulky gloves and um and keep
1:26:10
Speaker 1: my hands in there. And it also has like a
1:26:12
Speaker 1: nice pocket that I inevitably fill up with stuff I
1:26:15
Speaker 1: don't need. Um, Like, I know I'll be hunting this
1:26:19
Speaker 1: November and find like a turkey call in there or something.
1:26:22
Speaker 1: But yeah, for cold weather hunts, like I think that's
1:26:25
Speaker 1: a must have. Is is some kind of you know,
1:26:27
Speaker 1: handwarming system like that. I agree, I've really liked. I
1:26:31
Speaker 1: don't have the muff, but Further has got one of
1:26:33
Speaker 1: those muffs and he loves that and um, and I
1:26:36
Speaker 1: wear the Fanac jacket or the Fanac vest and so
1:26:38
Speaker 1: both of those have that handwarmer pocket like the kangaroo
1:26:41
Speaker 1: pocket there on your belly. And I've really come to
1:26:43
Speaker 1: like that, So dann any other cold weather suggestions, Dude,
1:26:48
Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of the Calvin Light vest,
1:26:51
Speaker 1: right that it's it's the I have the ultra light.
1:26:54
Speaker 1: And I know they make a regular one, and they
1:26:57
Speaker 1: make a hoodie and they make a jacket, but I
1:26:59
Speaker 1: just have the vest. And that is something that almost instantly,
1:27:06
Speaker 1: you know, you walk into the timber, you got your
1:27:08
Speaker 1: wool or synthetic base layer on your sweating. That wool
1:27:13
Speaker 1: or the synthetic drives you up fairly quick. You're in
1:27:15
Speaker 1: your stand. Um, I'll throw on my fanatic coodie and
1:27:19
Speaker 1: then over top of that, I will throw on my
1:27:23
Speaker 1: uh my ultra light vests and that's I think it's
1:27:26
Speaker 1: down in there. And then um, and then I put
1:27:31
Speaker 1: my jacket over top of that, and uh, you're good
1:27:35
Speaker 1: to go. I mean, I just that piece, that piece
1:27:37
Speaker 1: particular for me, just works so well and keeps me warm. Um.
1:27:42
Speaker 1: Other than that, a good old fashioned stock and cap. Yeah,
1:27:46
Speaker 1: make sure you've got a good hat, make sure you
1:27:48
Speaker 1: got good gloves, bring some handwarmers, um, and throw must
1:27:54
Speaker 1: full of coffee. Yeah that might make you poop, but
1:27:58
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's why I don't drink coffee during hunting season.
1:28:04
Speaker 1: Although although I know that, Dan, you're known to just
1:28:06
Speaker 1: lean over the side of the stand, even when you
1:28:08
Speaker 1: have a friend in the tree with you, and just
1:28:10
Speaker 1: drop a deuce. So shout out, shout out, Ryan Iberg.
1:28:15
Speaker 1: He had to watch this for like a handful of years.
1:28:19
Speaker 1: It wasn't a one time deal. It was like like
1:28:22
Speaker 1: once a week. Oh man, that's one of my favorite.
1:28:26
Speaker 1: There's there's a few like Dan Johnson is ums or
1:28:29
Speaker 1: like experiences that never cease to like amaze me, Like
1:28:31
Speaker 1: I love the poop and story, I love the time
1:28:33
Speaker 1: then you brought the tent that didn't have waterproofness and
1:28:36
Speaker 1: had to sleep in mind. Um, there's a handful of
1:28:38
Speaker 1: others I can't think of right now, but like, whenever
1:28:40
Speaker 1: it comes up, it's always worth re sharing because it
1:28:43
Speaker 1: just makes me smile. It just makes me smile out.
1:28:46
Speaker 1: So I'm what you might call it dipshit. Yeah you might,
1:28:49
Speaker 1: you might call that. It's true. So so this guy
1:28:52
Speaker 1: had a couple other questions though, that we should get to. Uh.
1:28:56
Speaker 1: He said, what terrain features should I be targeting in Kansas?
1:28:59
Speaker 1: I will say I've never hunted Kansas, but the one
1:29:03
Speaker 1: thing I consistently hear about Kansas is that what's supposed
1:29:06
Speaker 1: to be super cool about hunting out there is that
1:29:08
Speaker 1: in a lot of areas there's relatively minimal cover. There's
1:29:11
Speaker 1: not a lot of cover. It's a lot of open
1:29:13
Speaker 1: crp or crop fields or different things like that. Because
1:29:17
Speaker 1: of that, all the cover, the only available cover is
1:29:20
Speaker 1: along little creeks and drainages. So you've got big, wide
1:29:23
Speaker 1: open fields, rolling hills, and then you've got these drainages
1:29:26
Speaker 1: that I have the only timber in the area. So
1:29:28
Speaker 1: you've got these little fingers of timber running through these
1:29:30
Speaker 1: big areas. And what I understand, what I hear is
1:29:34
Speaker 1: that that funnels deer in a really really predictable, easy
1:29:37
Speaker 1: to figure out way. So so many guys I know
1:29:40
Speaker 1: go out there and you know during the rut that
1:29:43
Speaker 1: they're gonna be running those drainages because that's the only
1:29:45
Speaker 1: cover available, and so it's pretty simple to know where
1:29:48
Speaker 1: to set up. You've got pinch points everywhere. Um, so
1:29:51
Speaker 1: that would be again this is just from hearsay, this
1:29:53
Speaker 1: is what I hear, but that's something I hear that's
1:29:56
Speaker 1: just like a dynamite way to get on them during
1:29:58
Speaker 1: the rut. You guys have any thoughts, well, I'll tell you.
1:30:02
Speaker 1: Um we had a podcast with Andy May remember the
1:30:07
Speaker 1: he's a he's a big buck killer and my uncle
1:30:10
Speaker 1: who also lives in Kansas. This is what he's told me. Now,
1:30:15
Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of trees, that doesn't mean
1:30:17
Speaker 1: deer are following these fence lines and these wherever there
1:30:22
Speaker 1: is a quote unquote field edge where there's these fingers,
1:30:25
Speaker 1: a timber or these river bottoms, they're using low the
1:30:29
Speaker 1: lowest possible point, let's say in a flat field to
1:30:32
Speaker 1: cross as well. So wherever that low spot meets the timber,
1:30:39
Speaker 1: that might be a good place to set up because
1:30:41
Speaker 1: they'll come in and out of that timber or from
1:30:44
Speaker 1: across the field that you might not be able to
1:30:46
Speaker 1: see from a road or from um, let's say on
1:30:50
Speaker 1: the opposite side of it, along the along the timber edge,
1:30:53
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to you know, you find this
1:30:55
Speaker 1: low spot where they're coming in and out of set up.
1:30:58
Speaker 1: There another and one way to find that is depending
1:31:02
Speaker 1: on where you're actually hunting. If you're hunting like a
1:31:04
Speaker 1: big crp um, it might be harder if you're hunting
1:31:08
Speaker 1: a crop field or a cattle pasture. But if it's
1:31:11
Speaker 1: let's say, like a CRP field, zoom in as close
1:31:14
Speaker 1: as you can on the CRP fields from like Google
1:31:18
Speaker 1: maps or some other map application digital map application, and
1:31:22
Speaker 1: you will be able to see the trails that these
1:31:26
Speaker 1: deer are leaving. And um, that would be a good
1:31:29
Speaker 1: place to start. It's a great point. I've done that myself.
1:31:33
Speaker 1: I did that last week while I was in Montana.
1:31:35
Speaker 1: I was trying to you know, hunt new places and
1:31:37
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where might be it's about to start.
1:31:39
Speaker 1: And when you've got those grassy type areas or marshy
1:31:42
Speaker 1: type of areas where you can see those trails even
1:31:44
Speaker 1: from the maps way up in satellite view. So great point, uh,
1:31:49
Speaker 1: Mr Newhart. I know he addresses like the full moon
1:31:55
Speaker 1: and and that stuff that time of year, but I
1:31:57
Speaker 1: guess I wouldn't let that affect his plans to much. UM.
1:32:01
Speaker 1: I think hunting in that range of time, you could
1:32:03
Speaker 1: just be confident that the deer are going to be moving. Um.
1:32:07
Speaker 1: And like I recently did an article for real for
1:32:10
Speaker 1: real tree um and talk to like ten white tail
1:32:12
Speaker 1: personalities and very well respected about what specifically is their
1:32:16
Speaker 1: favorite day of the rut, and I had seven of
1:32:18
Speaker 1: the ten people pick November five through November ten a
1:32:21
Speaker 1: date in there. Um. So I I guess I'm just
1:32:25
Speaker 1: making a point that I wouldn't worry too much about
1:32:27
Speaker 1: the full moon because that's as good as it gets
1:32:30
Speaker 1: during that time frame. So don't let that, you know,
1:32:34
Speaker 1: change your mind about where you're gonna hunt. Yeah, especially
1:32:37
Speaker 1: the only other option. I mean, even if we were
1:32:40
Speaker 1: to say, hey man, you know, don't hunt that full
1:32:43
Speaker 1: moon or whatever. What's he gonna do when he's coming
1:32:46
Speaker 1: from Alabama to Kansas? Not hunt? That's not an option.
1:32:50
Speaker 1: That's not an option if you're if you're doing a
1:32:52
Speaker 1: trip like that will, at least as far as I'm concerned,
1:32:55
Speaker 1: November one through fifteen, you should be in the tree
1:32:57
Speaker 1: the entire day if you possibly can, or as much
1:33:00
Speaker 1: as you possibly can. Whatever it is, like, there's not
1:33:02
Speaker 1: a bad time. Um. Now, since he brings up the
1:33:06
Speaker 1: full moon and the rut, I thought it might be
1:33:10
Speaker 1: worth just giving like the one oh one on what
1:33:13
Speaker 1: does impact the timing of the rut? Um, So I'll
1:33:17
Speaker 1: give my two cents on it. You guys can tell
1:33:19
Speaker 1: me if you agree or disagree. Um, But if you're
1:33:22
Speaker 1: not familiar. This is something we've talked about a lot.
1:33:24
Speaker 1: So if you're a long time a long time listener,
1:33:26
Speaker 1: first time caller, this might not be news to you,
1:33:28
Speaker 1: but um right, the timing of the rut when peak
1:33:34
Speaker 1: breeding occurs, research has shown the biologists continued to contend
1:33:39
Speaker 1: that it is influenced and only impacted by photo period.
1:33:44
Speaker 1: Photo period is the amount of daylight in twenty four
1:33:47
Speaker 1: hour period and that changes throughout the year at a
1:33:49
Speaker 1: consistent rate. So as photo period changes as daylight reduces,
1:33:55
Speaker 1: you know, declines throughout the year, testosterone levels increase, and
1:34:00
Speaker 1: estrogen levels and does increase in correlation to that changing
1:34:04
Speaker 1: photo period. And so this is a consistent thing across
1:34:07
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the white Tail range in North
1:34:09
Speaker 1: America that results in a relatively consistent peak breeding date
1:34:14
Speaker 1: year in, year out. Research has shown the biologists have
1:34:17
Speaker 1: gone in and they do fetal measurement studies where they
1:34:20
Speaker 1: go and they check road killed, does they take the
1:34:22
Speaker 1: fetuses out of those killed? Does or they measure does
1:34:25
Speaker 1: you know, whatever might be. They when they can get
1:34:27
Speaker 1: their hands on a fetus, they can measure that fetus
1:34:30
Speaker 1: and there's a way they can effectively backdate when that
1:34:34
Speaker 1: deer was conceived, so they can see when that date
1:34:38
Speaker 1: of conception was. So then you can graph all these
1:34:40
Speaker 1: conception dates out and year in and year out, over
1:34:43
Speaker 1: and over and over again. It's relatively consistent per area,
1:34:46
Speaker 1: you've got a bell curve. So for most places, that's
1:34:49
Speaker 1: somewhere in that mid November time frame that your peak
1:34:52
Speaker 1: breeding data curse. In Michigan, I think it's somewhere around
1:34:54
Speaker 1: like the fifteenth, give or take, and then it's gonna
1:34:57
Speaker 1: be slightly less as you go down on either side.
1:35:00
Speaker 1: So then a decent number of deer bread on the
1:35:03
Speaker 1: four or the sixteenth, and then a few less on
1:35:06
Speaker 1: the or the seventeenth, and a few less on the
1:35:08
Speaker 1: twelfth and the eighteenth. If you can envision that that
1:35:11
Speaker 1: you know upside down you So what that means is
1:35:17
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people that talk about how
1:35:20
Speaker 1: the timing of the full moon supposed we can influence
1:35:23
Speaker 1: the rut. Because a lot of people would say, like
1:35:25
Speaker 1: a full moon or whatever might influence the timing of
1:35:27
Speaker 1: the rut. Most of the science says that it does
1:35:30
Speaker 1: not impact the timing of breeding. What it might influence
1:35:35
Speaker 1: what I what actually I personally have not decided whether
1:35:37
Speaker 1: or not it does or not, but a lot of
1:35:39
Speaker 1: people think it does. Is that it might impact how
1:35:42
Speaker 1: much daylight running activity we see. So it's not changing
1:35:45
Speaker 1: when they're actually breeding, but maybe it has a little
1:35:47
Speaker 1: bit of influence on how much actual daylight activity we're
1:35:51
Speaker 1: seeing related to that. So, you know, we've talked about
1:35:55
Speaker 1: different moon theories, you know, whether it be moon rising
1:35:59
Speaker 1: or in the evening or setting late in the morning,
1:36:02
Speaker 1: or some people talk about like Mark Jor is a
1:36:04
Speaker 1: big believer and that that that full moon does illuminate
1:36:07
Speaker 1: a certain portion of the rut, so he is a
1:36:08
Speaker 1: big believer. If I remember correctly that the full moon,
1:36:11
Speaker 1: the three or four days leading up to the full moon,
1:36:14
Speaker 1: you're gonna have better afternoon hunts, and the three or
1:36:16
Speaker 1: four days after the full moon you're gonna have better
1:36:18
Speaker 1: morning hunts. There's a lot of theories around in and
1:36:21
Speaker 1: around that kind of thing. Um Or that you might
1:36:24
Speaker 1: get a little bit earlier movement in the afternoon if
1:36:26
Speaker 1: you've got a moon that's starting to rise during that
1:36:28
Speaker 1: last hour of daylight. Stuff like that. Um But again
1:36:32
Speaker 1: to your point, Dan Or Spencer, whoever said this, I
1:36:34
Speaker 1: think um, when it's during this time period, during this
1:36:38
Speaker 1: you know, first and second week of November, or the
1:36:40
Speaker 1: last week of October, even the last few days of October,
1:36:44
Speaker 1: right writing behaviors happening in most of the country. Be
1:36:48
Speaker 1: in the tree. If you can be in the tree,
1:36:49
Speaker 1: be in the tree. Um. Now, it's it's a crapshoot
1:36:52
Speaker 1: in certain parts of the South. It's just for whatever reason,
1:36:55
Speaker 1: it's really wonky down there. And there's some weird anomalies
1:36:58
Speaker 1: that I can't even speak to. I can't planet. There's
1:37:01
Speaker 1: theories that it's related to um deer, that we're transport
1:37:05
Speaker 1: from different parts of the countries, and weird genetic things.
1:37:08
Speaker 1: I can't speak to that. But for most of the country,
1:37:10
Speaker 1: if you're in the middle of the country, North, and
1:37:13
Speaker 1: even most places elsewhere, basically what I just said there
1:37:16
Speaker 1: is going to be the case. Um. Anything I said
1:37:19
Speaker 1: that you guys would disagree with, no, all right, I'll
1:37:27
Speaker 1: take silence as a resounding yes that I'm correct or
1:37:32
Speaker 1: in some way it makes sense. I mean, I wouldn't
1:37:35
Speaker 1: even take the moon into consideration at all. I mean,
1:37:38
Speaker 1: just remember where a lot of this research is coming from,
1:37:42
Speaker 1: or a lot of whatever people are talking about the moon.
1:37:45
Speaker 1: These are people who are hunting big food plots, right,
1:37:49
Speaker 1: So it's revolving around food, which means that, um, you know,
1:37:56
Speaker 1: there they have a different view of what's really happening
1:38:00
Speaker 1: as opposed to what I have a feeling this guy
1:38:04
Speaker 1: is gonna witness. He's probably not hunting large food plots
1:38:09
Speaker 1: where the deer herd is conditioned to, you know, be
1:38:13
Speaker 1: on this awesome pattern back and forth where hey, maybe
1:38:17
Speaker 1: this moon would affect something. I don't think it's gonna
1:38:20
Speaker 1: be enough to where it would it's gonna make a
1:38:24
Speaker 1: difference at all if you're if you're and I'm only
1:38:28
Speaker 1: speaking for myself in the situations that I have where
1:38:32
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the moon. I don't take
1:38:35
Speaker 1: the moon into consideration when I'm planing my hunt. Yeah,
1:38:38
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things that I that I
1:38:40
Speaker 1: continue to be on the fence about two. There's a man,
1:38:42
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really good deer hunters who swear
1:38:44
Speaker 1: by it. Um. I I continue to to to to
1:38:48
Speaker 1: look at it and think about it and and just see.
1:38:51
Speaker 1: Um So I'll go on a hunt and I'll just
1:38:53
Speaker 1: see if does any of this increase activity correlate to
1:38:56
Speaker 1: one of these moon things that people talk about, And
1:38:59
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna still continue to accumulate data there and
1:39:01
Speaker 1: see if I can't make any um conclusions off of that.
1:39:06
Speaker 1: But the research and the science out there that has
1:39:09
Speaker 1: been done so far has not found any kind of
1:39:12
Speaker 1: conclusive connection. So that's all there is as far as
1:39:16
Speaker 1: I know when it comes to the moon and the
1:39:19
Speaker 1: rut But man guys continue to swear by and and
1:39:23
Speaker 1: people are always intrigued in Elsheimer's theories and some of
1:39:25
Speaker 1: these other things. I worked on a big outdoor life
1:39:27
Speaker 1: store this year that's gonna be coming out here probably
1:39:30
Speaker 1: the next month or two um, where we took a
1:39:32
Speaker 1: look at all these different theories. We took a look
1:39:34
Speaker 1: at the theories related to the moon. We took a
1:39:36
Speaker 1: look at theories related to photo period, theories related to
1:39:40
Speaker 1: how weather cold friends might impact it. Theories how just
1:39:43
Speaker 1: understanding like local patterns might influence how you hunt the
1:39:46
Speaker 1: rut um. It's all super interesting, but I think, you know,
1:39:50
Speaker 1: it's interesting and it could be helpful, But in the end,
1:39:53
Speaker 1: I think it comes right down to it being the
1:39:55
Speaker 1: tree as much as it can during November, no matter
1:39:57
Speaker 1: what and that's going to be your best number one strategy.
1:40:03
Speaker 1: All Right, we are going to take a quick break
1:40:05
Speaker 1: here for some insight from our friends at White Tailed Properties,
1:40:09
Speaker 1: and Spencer will take it from here. This week with
1:40:13
Speaker 1: White Tail Properties, we are joined by Neil Hagger, a
1:40:15
Speaker 1: land specialist out of Wisconsin, and Neil is going to
1:40:18
Speaker 1: be telling us about red flags that buyers should be
1:40:21
Speaker 1: alerted to when looking at a property. Well, the typical
1:40:25
Speaker 1: answer for that is, you know, the neighborhood is always important.
1:40:29
Speaker 1: If you have a poor neighborhood, that's not going to
1:40:31
Speaker 1: be good. But secondly, I might add in there, you
1:40:35
Speaker 1: know the numbers is your are your goals in line
1:40:37
Speaker 1: with the number of deer that are there? If you're
1:40:40
Speaker 1: a trophy hunter or not? Are you looking for numbers?
1:40:43
Speaker 1: You're just looking to have a good time hunting. So
1:40:44
Speaker 1: those are two important things that you can do your
1:40:46
Speaker 1: research and basically just find the data and if the
1:40:49
Speaker 1: data says, you know, tells the story of what you're
1:40:52
Speaker 1: looking for, then you would buy it. If not, you
1:40:54
Speaker 1: wouldn't buy it. But two things that people might not
1:40:56
Speaker 1: think about that I come across on a fairly regular basis,
1:40:59
Speaker 1: or mental rights and perhaps abandoned septics, privs, which are
1:41:03
Speaker 1: outhouses in northern Wisconsin, abandoned wells. These are hazards or
1:41:08
Speaker 1: potential hazards that are kind of hidden from the average guy.
1:41:11
Speaker 1: If you don't look into it, you might have yourself
1:41:14
Speaker 1: a bill to remove those. So if you don't have
1:41:18
Speaker 1: a budget to take care of the hazards, then it
1:41:21
Speaker 1: would be wise maybe to not buy that property. And
1:41:24
Speaker 1: those are some things I definitely would look for for
1:41:26
Speaker 1: reasons not to buy a property. If you'd like to
1:41:29
Speaker 1: learn more and to see the properties that Neil currently
1:41:32
Speaker 1: has listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com.
1:41:36
Speaker 1: Backslash Hogger that's h A U G E R. Moving on.
1:41:42
Speaker 1: Jesse A has a question he or she Jesse is
1:41:47
Speaker 1: one of those names. I'm not sure. Um. Could you
1:41:50
Speaker 1: address your opinions and findings on how using a vehicle
1:41:53
Speaker 1: to get close to your hunting spot could affect or
1:41:55
Speaker 1: possibly push dear away from that area. I've got a
1:41:58
Speaker 1: small property twenty acres that is over a half mile
1:42:01
Speaker 1: from the road, but I do have access by lane
1:42:03
Speaker 1: to get very close to my property. I share this
1:42:06
Speaker 1: property with my sixty seven year old dad that is
1:42:08
Speaker 1: not interested in walking too much? Um? Okay, So how
1:42:12
Speaker 1: could a vehicle being driven in close to your hunting
1:42:14
Speaker 1: spot possibly affect Dear Spencer? Any thoughts on that one? Well,
1:42:20
Speaker 1: I would say, under no circumstances, is you know it
1:42:23
Speaker 1: going to help you? It's certainly not going to help you.
1:42:27
Speaker 1: I guess the only ways I could see that you know,
1:42:30
Speaker 1: you could feel comfortable like driving driving a vehicle close
1:42:33
Speaker 1: would be if there's like other farm implements there that
1:42:35
Speaker 1: you could you know, hide this thing amongst a combine
1:42:38
Speaker 1: and you know, some broken down pickups or something like that.
1:42:40
Speaker 1: Or if there's like a really low spot um where
1:42:44
Speaker 1: you know you could park a vehicle and you know,
1:42:45
Speaker 1: be a hundred yards away and not know what's there.
1:42:48
Speaker 1: But I guess there may be looking for acceptance to
1:42:51
Speaker 1: to take a vehicle in and it's probably just not
1:42:54
Speaker 1: you know, beneficial as far as hunting wise, and too
1:42:57
Speaker 1: many circumstances. Danny, I don't I don't think I heard
1:43:00
Speaker 1: of you ever doing anything like that. But do you
1:43:01
Speaker 1: have any thoughts? Well, here's my thoughts, um, depending on
1:43:06
Speaker 1: what's on this twenty acres, how they're hunting it. Let's
1:43:08
Speaker 1: say they're hunting a food source and they want to
1:43:10
Speaker 1: drive in close to the morning, they're gonna bump deer
1:43:13
Speaker 1: off the food source, which means they're just gonna go
1:43:15
Speaker 1: back to bed earlier. Probably not beneficial. Now where I
1:43:19
Speaker 1: can see it being beneficial is if it is a
1:43:22
Speaker 1: farm type setting where there's a lot of vehicles traveling
1:43:25
Speaker 1: around the area. You have a four wheeler or a
1:43:28
Speaker 1: car drive you directly to your tree stand, You get up,
1:43:31
Speaker 1: and and then then someone drives that four wheeler away.
1:43:35
Speaker 1: That is where I can see it working. Yeah, that
1:43:38
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was gonna say. I think if
1:43:39
Speaker 1: if if it's in the scenario where deer are used
1:43:42
Speaker 1: to some kind of vehicle traffic, as long as they
1:43:44
Speaker 1: see it come in and then leave, I think that
1:43:46
Speaker 1: can be a really good situation. But you need to
1:43:48
Speaker 1: be in a situation where someone can drop you off
1:43:50
Speaker 1: and take you out, because if you can do that
1:43:52
Speaker 1: and these deer are conditioned to that kind of thing,
1:43:54
Speaker 1: you're able to get in and out of your stand
1:43:56
Speaker 1: without you know, educating any deal along the way because
1:43:58
Speaker 1: they just think a vehicle came in, know, and you're
1:44:00
Speaker 1: not leaving your scent all over the place. That all
1:44:03
Speaker 1: can be great, UM, but not everybody has a scenario
1:44:05
Speaker 1: like that. UM. For me, we talked about this a
1:44:07
Speaker 1: lot last year, but I was able to convince my
1:44:10
Speaker 1: wife to use my four wheeler to drive onto one
1:44:14
Speaker 1: of these properties I hunt. Because it was near field edge,
1:44:17
Speaker 1: I couldn't get out without spooking deer on my afternoon
1:44:19
Speaker 1: hunts after dark. She'd come in with a four wheeler,
1:44:23
Speaker 1: drive right up to the tree I was hunting, spook
1:44:24
Speaker 1: all the deer off, but spooked him with a four
1:44:26
Speaker 1: wheeler and not me climbing out of my tree and
1:44:28
Speaker 1: walking out of there. And I was able to get
1:44:30
Speaker 1: out and hunt that spot much more often than I
1:44:32
Speaker 1: think I would have otherwise without having a significantly negative
1:44:36
Speaker 1: impact on those deer. So I continue to see mature
1:44:39
Speaker 1: bucks there even though I was, you know, hunting a
1:44:42
Speaker 1: field edge, and most other situations I would be you know,
1:44:45
Speaker 1: educating the deer. So I think in that situation, getting
1:44:48
Speaker 1: a pick up at night is a good way to
1:44:50
Speaker 1: do it, if you know, if the circumstances dictate anything
1:44:54
Speaker 1: else on that one. Otherwise, We've got a question here
1:44:57
Speaker 1: from man. We gotta we gotta move here kind of quick.
1:45:01
Speaker 1: We're going along all right, how about this one, um,
1:45:06
Speaker 1: Tyler F. He's got a few questions. Tyler F hunts
1:45:10
Speaker 1: in Ohio. Sometimes the bugs can get thick in the
1:45:13
Speaker 1: early season, and thinking about using the thermo cell while
1:45:16
Speaker 1: in the stand. My question is is that a smart
1:45:18
Speaker 1: idea or is it gonna spook deer? That's question number
1:45:21
Speaker 1: one of his questions. So let's do let's do really
1:45:24
Speaker 1: quick here. Thermocell yes or no. Spencer never used one,
1:45:29
Speaker 1: Dan never used one. Mark Yes. I have used them.
1:45:36
Speaker 1: I love them when you're in a super mosquito area.
1:45:39
Speaker 1: They've worked really really well for me. I've not seen
1:45:43
Speaker 1: a negative any I've not seen that any more negative
1:45:46
Speaker 1: um reaction from deer than if they just got my
1:45:50
Speaker 1: scent some other way. So if a deer gets down
1:45:52
Speaker 1: one of you and they are gonna smell you one
1:45:55
Speaker 1: way or another in some for form of fashion, they're
1:45:58
Speaker 1: also gonna smell this kind of oky thing. I have
1:46:01
Speaker 1: been told that, dear, don't find it like terribly alarming. UM.
1:46:06
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them turn inside out because of it.
1:46:08
Speaker 1: So with with like me practicing my entire scent control
1:46:11
Speaker 1: regiment and using aozons machine in the tree with me
1:46:14
Speaker 1: and using some nose jammer. If a deer gets down
1:46:16
Speaker 1: wind of me, sometimes they still win me. Or sometimes
1:46:19
Speaker 1: they smell something they kind of put their nose in
1:46:21
Speaker 1: the air and like, I don't know what that is,
1:46:22
Speaker 1: and then they either just continue on their way, or
1:46:24
Speaker 1: maybe they turn and go back the way they came,
1:46:26
Speaker 1: but they don't turn inside out while using a thermocell.
1:46:29
Speaker 1: Add into that equation me personally, I've just seen a
1:46:32
Speaker 1: similar type of reaction. Sometimes you're gonna get winded or
1:46:34
Speaker 1: sometimes like ah, what's this whatever, I'll keep going. But
1:46:39
Speaker 1: they no doubt about it. They definitely take care of
1:46:40
Speaker 1: the mosquitoes, so if you're in a supermisquito area. They
1:46:44
Speaker 1: help Tyler's second question, which would you hunt first in
1:46:49
Speaker 1: the early season Option A the edge of a corn field,
1:46:53
Speaker 1: Option B a bottom with hay and alfalfa, or options
1:46:57
Speaker 1: C in the timber where a lot of acorns are Dan,
1:47:03
Speaker 1: what do you think? That's just crazy? I don't I
1:47:05
Speaker 1: don't need it's so vague, it's kind of hard to answer. Yeah,
1:47:09
Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta, like, assuming all things being equal,
1:47:13
Speaker 1: very basic things. If yeah, what do you go I mean,
1:47:16
Speaker 1: if if the alf alpha is fresh and green and
1:47:20
Speaker 1: not dried out. Then you know that might be a
1:47:23
Speaker 1: good option. But acorns, Man, right now, the deer are
1:47:27
Speaker 1: hitting acorns. I've been on drives the last couple of nights,
1:47:30
Speaker 1: and um, the deer in the fields have dropped drastically
1:47:37
Speaker 1: because of the acorn drop. So I guess find find
1:47:42
Speaker 1: some acorns. Yep, I was gonna say. I think I
1:47:45
Speaker 1: think you make a good point, which is you need
1:47:47
Speaker 1: to identify what the deer are finding most palatable at
1:47:50
Speaker 1: that moment. So in some form of fashion you need
1:47:52
Speaker 1: do whether it's scouting from a distance or just knowing
1:47:56
Speaker 1: what's going on, or I know some people do a
1:47:58
Speaker 1: little bit of speed scouting just before the season, like
1:48:00
Speaker 1: on a rainy, windy day, to do a quick walk
1:48:03
Speaker 1: on the edge of something to determine what the food
1:48:05
Speaker 1: source of choices right now. Um, that's what i'd say.
1:48:08
Speaker 1: But I think probably in the early season, all other
1:48:11
Speaker 1: things being equal, more often than not, I think if
1:48:14
Speaker 1: it's a lush alf a fel field right now, that's
1:48:17
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty attractive, and if acorns are on the ground,
1:48:19
Speaker 1: that's gonna be pretty attractive. I think those two things
1:48:22
Speaker 1: in the early season typically would be more attractive than
1:48:25
Speaker 1: the edge of a corn field. But again, there's so
1:48:27
Speaker 1: many other variables. Maybe the edge of a corn field
1:48:30
Speaker 1: that he can hunt is a transition zone to enough
1:48:33
Speaker 1: off a field and it's in cover, and that's where
1:48:35
Speaker 1: this big bucks walking through every day headed to feed
1:48:38
Speaker 1: on the acorns or whatever. You just don't know. Um
1:48:41
Speaker 1: but those are a few thoughts at a high level spencer.
1:48:44
Speaker 1: Anything else you would chip in there? Yeah, I guess
1:48:48
Speaker 1: if he means like the actual edge of a corn field,
1:48:50
Speaker 1: that seems like it would be a difficult hunt early season,
1:48:53
Speaker 1: just for the you know, practicality of having a shooting
1:48:55
Speaker 1: lane into there. Um So, but I would agree with
1:48:57
Speaker 1: you guys at the alf alfa and acorns sounded like
1:49:01
Speaker 1: the best option. Yeah. Again, super super general there, but
1:49:05
Speaker 1: a few thoughts. Um Okay, I think we got time
1:49:09
Speaker 1: for two more questions here. Jonathan f just got a
1:49:15
Speaker 1: deer call this year, and he's excited to use it.
1:49:17
Speaker 1: In fact, my family laughs at me because I walked
1:49:19
Speaker 1: around the house grunting, snort, wheezing and making calls. If
1:49:23
Speaker 1: I I even take it with me when I travel
1:49:25
Speaker 1: in the car and practice calling in the car. So
1:49:27
Speaker 1: this guy is stoked about his grunt tube, which is
1:49:30
Speaker 1: which is cool. His question is is it a good
1:49:33
Speaker 1: idea to call? Der geez? What's he trying to say here?
1:49:37
Speaker 1: He says that he's trying to call during fun deer
1:49:39
Speaker 1: season slash post rut. Um. But I don't think that's
1:49:42
Speaker 1: what he means. And he says, I've read several mixed information,
1:49:45
Speaker 1: several bits of mixed information via forums. Okay, let's let's
1:49:49
Speaker 1: do this. I think he's asking is it a good
1:49:52
Speaker 1: idea to call in the early season or late season?
1:49:55
Speaker 1: So of course it's a good idea, or it's understandable
1:49:59
Speaker 1: to use a grunt tube are in the rut. I
1:50:00
Speaker 1: think most people talk about using grunt tubes during the
1:50:02
Speaker 1: pre rut or rut phases. Typically that's when it can
1:50:05
Speaker 1: be most effective. I think most people would agree with that.
1:50:08
Speaker 1: So let's just say, yes, a grunt tube is a
1:50:11
Speaker 1: decent idea during the rut phases. Um. But the question
1:50:14
Speaker 1: being what about early season or late season? Um? And
1:50:18
Speaker 1: I guess that's my take on it. Would you guys
1:50:20
Speaker 1: disagree with my thoughts that sometimes it's most likely going
1:50:24
Speaker 1: to be a good idea, possibly in the middle of
1:50:26
Speaker 1: those rout phases Dan Spencer and then number two later
1:50:29
Speaker 1: late earlier late. I think when he said fun dear season,
1:50:33
Speaker 1: I think he means gone deer season, So I don't
1:50:37
Speaker 1: think he's asking about earlier in the year, but maybe
1:50:40
Speaker 1: he means fun early deer season. Okay, well then I guess, yeah,
1:50:43
Speaker 1: do you want to take it that way then gun
1:50:45
Speaker 1: season and or post rout Um, I don't know. I
1:50:49
Speaker 1: guess it sounds like he's really into his grunt tube
1:50:51
Speaker 1: and like that's kind of one of those things with
1:50:55
Speaker 1: like that that's something with age. I think when you're
1:50:57
Speaker 1: like a teenager that like when you go hunting, like
1:50:59
Speaker 1: you gonna hunt every chance you get in the morning
1:51:01
Speaker 1: early season, when you hit the rule, you're gonna be
1:51:03
Speaker 1: calling all the time. UM. I guess posterote, if you
1:51:07
Speaker 1: feel like you have nothing to lose, UM, you know,
1:51:09
Speaker 1: do some calls and stuff like that. But I just
1:51:13
Speaker 1: I wouldn't overdo it because it sounds like he's pretty
1:51:16
Speaker 1: anxious to to use his grunt tube. Yeah, and I think, um, Dan,
1:51:22
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about some of our high
1:51:24
Speaker 1: level thoughts on using grunts a lot. And I'll just
1:51:26
Speaker 1: reiterate during the rout phases. I it is a tool
1:51:31
Speaker 1: that's in my repertoire, something I will use when the
1:51:34
Speaker 1: situation dictates for me. That means, if I've got a
1:51:36
Speaker 1: buck in the distance that I need to see, if
1:51:39
Speaker 1: I can sway his opinion to come towards me, to
1:51:41
Speaker 1: change the direction to come towards me, I will try
1:51:43
Speaker 1: a grunt or two. Um, But I think the most
1:51:46
Speaker 1: important thing is number one. I don't like to do
1:51:49
Speaker 1: blind me Personally, I don't like to blind grunt or
1:51:51
Speaker 1: blind call. So I'm not just willing nearly grunting all
1:51:54
Speaker 1: the time to bring something in. I used to do
1:51:55
Speaker 1: that when I was younger too, the same deal. I
1:51:57
Speaker 1: was super into my grunt tube and I thought this
1:51:59
Speaker 1: would be like the key to all my success. I
1:52:01
Speaker 1: think many times you're just more likely to spook something,
1:52:04
Speaker 1: or if you do attract something but you don't know it,
1:52:07
Speaker 1: you might spook that deer because you're still looking around
1:52:10
Speaker 1: and you don't realize this buck's coming in. So I
1:52:12
Speaker 1: personally only use a grunt to when I can see
1:52:15
Speaker 1: a deer and I need to change his direction to
1:52:17
Speaker 1: come towards me, I'll try a contact grunt of some type.
1:52:20
Speaker 1: If he doesn't hear that time, I'll try it again.
1:52:23
Speaker 1: If you definitely see that buck here, you like, he stops,
1:52:25
Speaker 1: looks at you, doesn't care, and then keeps going. I'm
1:52:29
Speaker 1: not going to really try a whole lot more. I
1:52:30
Speaker 1: might try one snort weez and if that doesn't work,
1:52:34
Speaker 1: then I personally don't like to keep grunting and making
1:52:37
Speaker 1: noise because you're probably just gonna spook that deer. Um.
1:52:40
Speaker 1: The one thing, the one other thing I'll add is
1:52:43
Speaker 1: that if that deer hears me and then positively reacts
1:52:46
Speaker 1: so he starts walking my way, don't start calling to anymore.
1:52:49
Speaker 1: I would stop like at that point, don't ruin a
1:52:52
Speaker 1: good thing. Let that deer come into his own pace.
1:52:55
Speaker 1: Do not keep making noise. You can only make things
1:52:57
Speaker 1: worse at that point. In my opinion, for the season,
1:53:01
Speaker 1: I am very conservative when it comes to calls and
1:53:04
Speaker 1: grunning In the early season. Um, I might just do
1:53:07
Speaker 1: a light contact grunt just if if it's a scenari
1:53:10
Speaker 1: where there's a great buck out there and he's not
1:53:11
Speaker 1: coming my way, maybe there's a small chance I can
1:53:14
Speaker 1: get him to be curious and just be wondering, what
1:53:17
Speaker 1: was that dear over there, So I might just give
1:53:18
Speaker 1: the last rob but that's it, Like, I'm not gonna
1:53:21
Speaker 1: do anything more than that. Um, And that would be
1:53:24
Speaker 1: my same type of thoughts in the late season. I'm very,
1:53:27
Speaker 1: very minimal when it comes to calling outside of the run, Dan,
1:53:31
Speaker 1: anything else you dead? Yeah, man, just I don't know.
1:53:36
Speaker 1: Calling is almost like an art, right, you gotta be
1:53:38
Speaker 1: able to judge that. If you're calling at an animal,
1:53:40
Speaker 1: blind calling, don't do it. If you're calling at an animal,
1:53:44
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to read its body language. You
1:53:47
Speaker 1: gotta be able to say, Okay, is this buck in
1:53:49
Speaker 1: an aggressive uh state where he might come investigate? Or
1:53:54
Speaker 1: is he you know, really relaxed walking away not caring anything.
1:54:00
Speaker 1: It depends on what time of the year it is, right,
1:54:01
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's in the rut, yeah you might
1:54:03
Speaker 1: get a response. But if it's early season and I've
1:54:05
Speaker 1: I've done this several times before where I've seen a
1:54:09
Speaker 1: deer that I want to get a closer look at,
1:54:11
Speaker 1: come out, um, you know, come down a different ridge,
1:54:15
Speaker 1: or and I grunt and they it's like they completely
1:54:18
Speaker 1: ignore it. So I don't know, it's better to call
1:54:23
Speaker 1: less than to call more. Yeah, I know, some guys
1:54:26
Speaker 1: that like to call, even to bucks that they don't
1:54:28
Speaker 1: want to shoot, like they'll called every year and a
1:54:30
Speaker 1: half old buck or young buck just because it's fun
1:54:32
Speaker 1: to see a thing bring him in. And I would
1:54:35
Speaker 1: not recommend that because I feel like every time you
1:54:37
Speaker 1: do that, you could potentially educate a deer that a
1:54:40
Speaker 1: grunt that they hear in the woods is a negative thing.
1:54:43
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you grunt in a deer
1:54:45
Speaker 1: because you just want to have fun with it, and
1:54:47
Speaker 1: then it wins you or it sees you all of
1:54:49
Speaker 1: a sudden, now has a very negative association with that
1:54:51
Speaker 1: sound you made. So in two years from now, when
1:54:53
Speaker 1: he's a big, mature buck and you tried grunting to
1:54:55
Speaker 1: him again, he might turn inside out and get to
1:54:58
Speaker 1: the next county because he can deal. He still has
1:55:00
Speaker 1: that connection, that negative association. Um So I to your point, Dan,
1:55:05
Speaker 1: I would not call any more than I have to,
1:55:07
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't do it unless it's a scenario that
1:55:09
Speaker 1: I'm you know, if it's worth taking that risk, because
1:55:13
Speaker 1: making a grunt call is a risk. You can risk
1:55:15
Speaker 1: spooking it simply from hearing you and not liking it.
1:55:18
Speaker 1: Or Number two lots of times when you call to
1:55:20
Speaker 1: a deer, if it hears it and if it's interested
1:55:22
Speaker 1: in it, many times it's going to try to circle
1:55:24
Speaker 1: down wind of view. And so if you're if you're
1:55:26
Speaker 1: in a position where it can easily get down wind
1:55:28
Speaker 1: of you, you could have mucked things up because now
1:55:30
Speaker 1: he's actively trying to catch your scent um. And if
1:55:34
Speaker 1: you don't have a the right setup or the right
1:55:36
Speaker 1: scent control or whatever it might be, now you're in
1:55:38
Speaker 1: trouble too. So that's another thing to keep in mind.
1:55:43
Speaker 1: Anything else on calls. If not, we will move on
1:55:49
Speaker 1: to our final question of the night. Final question is
1:55:52
Speaker 1: from Jason D. That's d as in Dan Johnson, and
1:55:57
Speaker 1: Jason says, I recently tore my road to r cuff
1:56:00
Speaker 1: and I'm having surgery in two weeks. I'm going to
1:56:03
Speaker 1: miss my first bow season in many years. So first off, man,
1:56:07
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Jason. That is a bummer. Um So, he's
1:56:10
Speaker 1: gonna miss both season, so he's wondering to pass the time.
1:56:12
Speaker 1: Could you send me some suggestions for reading material. I've
1:56:16
Speaker 1: already read A Hunter's Heart, so he's he thanks me
1:56:20
Speaker 1: for that suggestion. Um So, man, I got a lot
1:56:24
Speaker 1: of different books. I'm a book nerd um Spencer, I
1:56:29
Speaker 1: don't know. Are you much for a reader? Do you
1:56:31
Speaker 1: have any book recommendations? I am h. I think typically
1:56:35
Speaker 1: I'll do writing falls in like two categories. There's like
1:56:38
Speaker 1: the dry stuff and they'd be like a Dan Johnson wrote,
1:56:41
Speaker 1: you know, ten Ways to Kill an Iowa book, and
1:56:46
Speaker 1: the poetic stuff then be like, you know, Mark Kenyon's
1:56:49
Speaker 1: Quest to Kill holy Field, and there's like little in
1:56:52
Speaker 1: the way of comedy. And who does that best? Is
1:56:55
Speaker 1: Bill Heavee. I just I love his stuff and it's
1:56:58
Speaker 1: really entertaining and like so a nice break from everything
1:57:01
Speaker 1: else that's you know, in the outdoor world as far
1:57:03
Speaker 1: as writing goes. It's a great point. Bill. Yeah. I
1:57:08
Speaker 1: pick up any of his books, um, just as a
1:57:10
Speaker 1: nice break from from you know, whatever else you might
1:57:12
Speaker 1: be reading right now. I think I think his books
1:57:15
Speaker 1: are titled if that wasn't jerky, what did I just eat?
1:57:19
Speaker 1: And then and then the other ones You're not lost
1:57:22
Speaker 1: if you can still see the truck, I think it's
1:57:23
Speaker 1: the other one. I agree, very funny stuff. Anything else
1:57:27
Speaker 1: or was that your suggestion? I guess that would be
1:57:31
Speaker 1: my suggestion. Alright, I like it Dan anything well, speaking
1:57:36
Speaker 1: of humor. Uh. And I'm not one to toot my
1:57:39
Speaker 1: own horn. But and I and I doubt many people
1:57:41
Speaker 1: get the the magazine Iowa Sportsman. But I wrote a
1:57:46
Speaker 1: article comparing digital scouting for deer like watching pornography. No,
1:57:55
Speaker 1: I'm serious, because it's like, alright, the lights are down low.
1:57:58
Speaker 1: You gotta, you know, get away from the family, you know,
1:58:01
Speaker 1: shut the blinds, you know, because you know the wife
1:58:04
Speaker 1: sees you doing that and she's like, you're doing that again. Yeah,
1:58:08
Speaker 1: you know, it's a very interesting comparison. Then I like
1:58:12
Speaker 1: it right right, So, yeah, I don't I I can
1:58:16
Speaker 1: barely read. I know, that's all right. I wasn't gonna
1:58:20
Speaker 1: have I don't have the time for it. I hear you.
1:58:23
Speaker 1: Although you did like start to read a book when
1:58:25
Speaker 1: we were out cutting that I've been meaning to send
1:58:27
Speaker 1: to you. See, can finish it because it's a really
1:58:28
Speaker 1: good book. Um. We talked about it once like two
1:58:31
Speaker 1: years ago. We did a podcast where we talked about
1:58:33
Speaker 1: books too. Um. And that book that you started reading
1:58:37
Speaker 1: that you found interesting was called The Last Stand and
1:58:40
Speaker 1: it's about George Bird Grenelle and um what he did
1:58:44
Speaker 1: as he uh he founded Field and Stream was the
1:58:47
Speaker 1: first I believe, or maybe it was the first editor
1:58:50
Speaker 1: I can now I'm gonna get this wrong with George
1:58:52
Speaker 1: burg Gernell was a very influential sportsman with what he
1:58:56
Speaker 1: was able to write and Field and Stream, and then
1:58:57
Speaker 1: he also was one of the guys that helped start
1:58:59
Speaker 1: the Booning Rocket Club. He worked with Teddy Roosevelt to
1:59:03
Speaker 1: really start instituting game laws. Um started act. He actually
1:59:07
Speaker 1: was able to help make sure that game wasn't being
1:59:10
Speaker 1: hunted and wantonly wasted in Yellowstone National Park in the
1:59:13
Speaker 1: early years. Um So The Last Stand talks about his
1:59:17
Speaker 1: experiences with that and everything he did to help save
1:59:20
Speaker 1: the Buffalo and Yellowstone and across the country, and what
1:59:22
Speaker 1: he did with Feeling Stream in the Boone and Crocker Club.
1:59:25
Speaker 1: Really interesting book. Highly recommend that one. UM I'm not
1:59:29
Speaker 1: gonna go through a handful of different books that I
1:59:31
Speaker 1: also like and I've talked about in the past. Um
1:59:35
Speaker 1: anything by my friend Steve Ronella. I just spent a
1:59:37
Speaker 1: week with him out hunting caribou, and the dude is
1:59:41
Speaker 1: a terrific writer. There's some of my favorite books, so
1:59:44
Speaker 1: American Buffalo or The Hot guide to her shoot, What's
1:59:49
Speaker 1: the Scavengers Guide to Hot Cuisine and then meat either
1:59:53
Speaker 1: three awesome books. Highly recommend those. Another book kind of
1:59:57
Speaker 1: related to the history of conservation in America and wildlife
2:00:00
Speaker 1: and public lands is called The Big Burn by Timothy Egan.
2:00:04
Speaker 1: That is the story of Teddy Roosevelt and Gifford pin
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Speaker 1: Show and what they've done to help create the National
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Speaker 1: Forest System and all those public lands we have across
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Speaker 1: the country. And then how this huge wildfire that came
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Speaker 1: through in nineteen oh was six I think, um, how
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Speaker 1: the events surrounding that fire influenced what they're trying to
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Speaker 1: do with the National Forest Service and the people who
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Speaker 1: are attacking the National Force and trying to get them
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Speaker 1: get rid of them, the guys who didn't want public land.
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Speaker 1: It's a really interesting story. They're highly recommend that one. Um.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about this one as well. The Sand County
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Speaker 1: Almanac by All the Leopold That should just kind of
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Speaker 1: be like required reading for anyone who's a hunter or conservationist,
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Speaker 1: especially the last section where it dives into his conservation ethic,
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Speaker 1: the land ethic. Really good to read that and chew
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Speaker 1: on that, think about that one um American Seerengetti by
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Speaker 1: Dan Flores or Flori's not sure how you properly pronounced that,
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Speaker 1: But this again is about the history of um of
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Speaker 1: wildlife in North America. What we had back in like
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Speaker 1: the place I've seen era, so like ice age type
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Speaker 1: animals that were hanging around in the great plains of
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Speaker 1: North America. And then what was here two hundred years
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Speaker 1: ago when you know, Lewis and Clark and those guys
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Speaker 1: were first exploring it, and then how we then unfortunately
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Speaker 1: contributed to the decline of a lot of those animals.
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Speaker 1: And then now we've brought a lot of those species back.
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Speaker 1: So it dives into kind of the natural history of
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Speaker 1: of elk and grizzlies and wolves and pronghorn and um,
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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different animals, really really interesting um.
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Speaker 1: As far as like deer hunting, if you're interested in
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Speaker 1: reading something that's going to help you become a better
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Speaker 1: deer hunter, some of my very favorite books are those
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Speaker 1: written by the eber Hearts. John Eberhart was on the
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Speaker 1: podcast a couple of weeks ago and his son Chris Eberhart.
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Speaker 1: Those are like some of the most influential books on
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Speaker 1: how I hunt now that I read like a decade ago.
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Speaker 1: So Precision bow Hunting, UM, Bow Hunting, White Tales, eber
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Speaker 1: Hart Way, White Tail Access. Those are all really good ones. Um.
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Speaker 1: The books by Jeff Sturgis, he's another past podcast, Guess
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Speaker 1: his White Tails by Design. He's got three books in
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Speaker 1: that series. Those are really good. Steve Bartilla's books. I
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Speaker 1: especially like Big Buck Secrets. Those ones are recommended. Um.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw out two more books here. A Thousand
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Speaker 1: Deer by Rick Bass. Rick Bass is one of those
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Speaker 1: little more poetic writers, a little bit deeper. Um, but
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Speaker 1: he had a book It's called A Thousand Deer that
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Speaker 1: speaks to his experiences deer hunting in the hill country
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Speaker 1: of Texas where he grew up or where he grew
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Speaker 1: up hunting, and then also in Montana where he lives now.
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Speaker 1: Really really interesting essays and stories he writes there like
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Speaker 1: that and then totally off the wall, but a super
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Speaker 1: cool one if you are into wilderness and kind of
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Speaker 1: the healing aspects of of nature and wilderness and uh
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Speaker 1: animals would be a book called Grizzly Years by Doug Peacock.
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Speaker 1: And Doug was a Vietnam vet and he came back
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Speaker 1: from the war and was was pretty messed up coming
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Speaker 1: out of that, and he finally found his kind of
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Speaker 1: way to recenter by going out into the wilderness of
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Speaker 1: Montana and Wyoming and just living out there with the grizzlies.
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Speaker 1: And he did. He would just spend hours and hours
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Speaker 1: and days and days and months observing bears, learning about bears,
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Speaker 1: spending time out there. So this book kind of shares
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Speaker 1: his experiences out there in the wilderness and kind of
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Speaker 1: how these things helped him. And very interesting book, interesting
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Speaker 1: insight to and a grizz and I'm a big fan
2:03:30
Speaker 1: of grizz They're super interesting animals. So those are handful
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Speaker 1: of books you can take a look at that are
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Speaker 1: interesting from a hunting or conservation standpoints or just general
2:03:41
Speaker 1: being interest in the outdoors. Another good one, and I
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Speaker 1: could I could talk about this for too long. Um
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Speaker 1: it's called The Wild Ones, and we talked about this
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Speaker 1: with Donnie Vincent like last year. But The Wild Ones
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Speaker 1: is an interesting book that takes a look at kind
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Speaker 1: of where we are today with wildlife and species going
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Speaker 1: extinct and what we as humans can do or what
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Speaker 1: should we do, or what can we do or what
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Speaker 1: should we not do or what is our what is
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Speaker 1: our relationship now with wildlife? UM, in this world now
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Speaker 1: where we have made such a huge handprint on this,
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Speaker 1: on this earth and everything on us. So that is
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Speaker 1: my long winded set of book recommendations. I've got a
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Speaker 1: blog post on wire hunt dot com that goes to
2:04:23
Speaker 1: a whole bunch more too. You can check that out
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Speaker 1: by looking up the Ultimate Recommended Reading List for Hunters UM.
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Speaker 1: And and that's all I got. And I think Dan
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Speaker 1: had to drop off because of god knows what, probably
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Speaker 1: something with kids. So, Spencer, anything else you want to
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Speaker 1: add or should we just wrap this? This sucker up? Uh?
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Speaker 1: We better wrap it up. This has been exhausting two hours.
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Speaker 1: I kept you for a long time. This is definitely
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Speaker 1: this is This is four RUT radio episodes right here,
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Speaker 1: So I don't want I did well. Thanks for joining
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Speaker 1: us for this on Spencer and UM. I'm excited to
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Speaker 1: see what we've got going on with the rout radio episodes.
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Speaker 1: And like we said earlier, make sure you listen to those.
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Speaker 1: You'll see the first one in your podcast feed now
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Speaker 1: and UM look for one you know, a week from now.
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Speaker 1: And that's it for us. Today, guys hopefully enjoyed this one.
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Speaker 1: It was a long one, but hopefully we covered enough.
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Speaker 1: gonna be it for us today. So of course, thank
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Speaker 1: you all for listening. I appreciate so much. If you're hunting,
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Speaker 1: I hope it's going well for you. Good luck out there,
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