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NFL Week 6 DFS Takedown Breakdown | October 13, 2025 | DraftKings DFS Lineup Review and Analysis · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all systems going clear the lift up. What's up everyone?
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Tamberline here aka Toteken Tambo back for another edition
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  Speaker 2: of the Takedown Breakdown here on the ship a Nation
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  Speaker 2: YouTube station. My guy Matt's over there, keep it in
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  Speaker 2: the dark man, We got Naids. We got our guy,
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  Speaker 2: Matt Bellman and it's my camera.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna hop out and hop back in.
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  Speaker 1: All right, hop hop off, hop back in. That'll work.
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  Speaker 1: We're all good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna break it all down for you guys
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  Speaker 2: as usual. We're gonna go through it.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate everybody here in the chat. Going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about everything. In week six. We got the winners, We've
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  Speaker 1: got the perfect lineup.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna break it down with the tools, the stack, rankings,
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  Speaker 2: the stone last week, everything that we have over on
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  Speaker 2: the site at shiber Nation as well.
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  Speaker 1: Nate's what's going on, my man?
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  Speaker 4: How you doing doing good? Man doing good? Bird's got
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  Speaker 4: the job done, Packers got the job done. DFS was
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  Speaker 4: close right there knocking on the door. Didn't didn't get
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  Speaker 4: quite the right combinations. Well, we'll talk about that. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: injury riddled slate from many of the studs yesterday, and
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  Speaker 4: I think from an interesting roster construction build that we're
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  Speaker 4: going to talk about right when we knew going into
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  Speaker 4: the slate yesterday everybody wanted to play the three mid
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  Speaker 4: tier running backs. If they weren't doing that, they were
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  Speaker 4: playing two of those to get up to either Jonathan
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  Speaker 4: Taylor or Christian McCaffrey. So living in that tier just
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  Speaker 4: below that that was thirteen hundred dollars and eleven hundred
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  Speaker 4: dollars cheaper in guys like Josh Jacobs right and Hm
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  Speaker 4: Right who absolutely smashed. And what that overall did for
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  Speaker 4: your roster construction and a build wise, I think is
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  Speaker 4: very interesting to take note. And it felt very tough
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  Speaker 4: building teams with guys like Puka and Jonathan Taylor and
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  Speaker 4: McCaffrey yesterday and trying to force it doing different things
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  Speaker 4: that way, maybe taking a step back and peeling back
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  Speaker 4: the onion a little bit more and just realizing that, hey,
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  Speaker 4: what happens if I play two of these mid tier
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  Speaker 4: guys or one of these mid tier guys, and what
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  Speaker 4: does that do for me at the running back position?
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  Speaker 4: Things like that I think were somewhere I missed a
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  Speaker 4: little bit, at least yesterday leading up, but looking forward
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  Speaker 4: to breaking it all down here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all set up there now I'll get the
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  Speaker 1: perfect lineup. But I love the chat, said thought. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was the big reveal. We thought Matt was
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  Speaker 1: doing like a boom lights on.
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  Speaker 2: This is him, but he's been on plenty of shows before,
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  Speaker 2: so he's definitely not hiding his face.
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  Speaker 1: Just lighting issue will get him back in here shortly,
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  Speaker 1: but gonna break it all down. The perfect lineup will
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  Speaker 1: start with yesterday nads.
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  Speaker 2: And I know some people were shocked to see this,
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  Speaker 2: like Jacoby Brissette pops up at this price, but again
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  Speaker 2: you'll look at it later, and I think I have
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  Speaker 2: it was two twenty seven for brown Town, no O's
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  Speaker 2: for that won the million Maker, and we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: that in a bit as well with the Drake May lineup.
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  Speaker 2: But this is the setup just for the optum, right,
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  Speaker 2: two fifty five, spending almost the full fifty k.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know what you see here. There's obviously the
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  Speaker 1: you know a chan doubt.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, we'll talk about some of this stuff, but
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it makes sense and then some of it,
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  Speaker 2: like Brissette and Booty, maybe not for everybody, but.
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  Speaker 1: I was even doing the booty booy booty. We be rocking.
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  Speaker 2: Everywhere yesterday and this guy gets too Touchdow, I should
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  Speaker 2: have picked him as my two touchdown take.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think of this perfect lineup?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you should have picked him in your two touchdown
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  Speaker 4: and every DFS lineup because you would have had a
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  Speaker 4: pretty pretty profitable day yesterday in general. But he didn't
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  Speaker 4: make some sense. We'll talk about him when we break
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  Speaker 4: down that game. Right, we knew everybody was going to dig.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody was going to Henry. Booty was five hundred dollars
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  Speaker 4: cheaper than Hunter Henry at a Onesie. I mean you
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  Speaker 4: can look at everything as a flex position basically, right,
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  Speaker 4: because you can play two tight ends, you can play
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  Speaker 4: four wide receivers, you can play three running back. So
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  Speaker 4: five hundred dollars cheaper on the same team in the
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  Speaker 4: game where everybody wants to stack. He definitely made some sense.
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  Speaker 4: The piece that I want to call out here is
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  Speaker 4: the Ricodoudo and George Pickens mini stack here. The reason
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  Speaker 4: being is we talked about when you're looking for ministacks,
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  Speaker 4: you're looking for correlation. Right. You want a guy, you
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  Speaker 4: want them to not just be they're not just correlated
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  Speaker 4: by the fact that they're in the same game, right,
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  Speaker 4: there is inverse correlation. You guys talk about it on
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  Speaker 4: the Leverage Lane show every single week. Right, how can
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  Speaker 4: Rico Daudo? How can that game get sped up? Well,
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  Speaker 4: guess what, you can catch a bomb down the sidelines
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  Speaker 4: to George Pickens for a touchdown, give the ball right
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  Speaker 4: back to Rico Daudo, right, things like that. George Pickens
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  Speaker 4: is a guy that would speed that game up. Right,
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  Speaker 4: Many people were running Rico Dado with Jake Ferguson right
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  Speaker 4: because it was a cheaper stack and it allowed you
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  Speaker 4: to get up to poopkinakus, it allowed you to get
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  Speaker 4: up to the jsns at the wide receiver position. But
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  Speaker 4: does Ferguson really speed up the game that much to
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  Speaker 4: give the ball right back to Dado and things like that?
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  Speaker 4: So I think that mini stack was really good. It's
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  Speaker 4: slice and diced into Rico Dado's ownership as well. Daddo
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  Speaker 4: steamed obviously way up leading up to Locke came in
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  Speaker 4: over thirty five percent owned, but George Pickens on so
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  Speaker 4: right there combined when you knew the chalk your ministack
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  Speaker 4: was going to fergus In within the same team. I
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  Speaker 4: thought that was a pretty sharp play. We're going to
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  Speaker 4: talk about that a lot. And all the reviews of
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  Speaker 4: all the winning lineups had that combination. The Hn piece right,
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  Speaker 4: everybody was in on the Herbert side right with the
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  Speaker 4: condensed target tree and this and that. Herbert's really going
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  Speaker 4: to get there? How's that game going to speed up? No,
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  Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill, Jalen Wattle is there. Yeah, but I mean,
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  Speaker 4: chan this dude does it all. He's a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 4: He's Christian McCaffrey for one thousand dollars cheaper right in
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  Speaker 4: a good game environment that people were already targeting. So
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  Speaker 4: going to that, I know you were on that quite
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  Speaker 4: a bit. And there were so many running backs on
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  Speaker 4: the slate yesterday that not everybody can get steamed, not
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  Speaker 4: everybody can get played right. At most, you can play
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  Speaker 4: three running backs in the team. So you knew guys
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  Speaker 4: like Javonte Williams, Rashaan White, Javante and Rico Daldo weren't
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  Speaker 4: really gonna move that much. They moved a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: but the other guys had to move around. You saw
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  Speaker 4: j at moon walk back, you saw Christian McCaffrey moon
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  Speaker 4: walk back. You saw guys like Devon Ahchan just knocking
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  Speaker 4: it played because of the way roster's set up yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: But outside of that, not much more. Mayor was a
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  Speaker 4: good play projections wise, I know, late swap, A lot
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  Speaker 4: of late swap teams swapped onto him in flexes and
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  Speaker 4: things like that. With no Brock powers there, and then
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  Speaker 4: Josh Jacob's in that thirty point team total at home
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  Speaker 4: fourteen point favorites, it made a lot of sense there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll bring Matt back in here in a second,
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  Speaker 2: but just a note, like we brought up the stone
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  Speaker 2: we always do. We talked about this a ton yesterday
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  Speaker 2: and hen came in even lower than that for ownership,
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  Speaker 2: so it just made it even better. But when a
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  Speaker 2: guy has a you know, a thirty four point four
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  Speaker 2: ceiling and what he hit thirty four, So he hit
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  Speaker 2: a ceiling score yesterday. But it's always possible another guy
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  Speaker 2: that was tagged in there on the stone, so you
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  Speaker 2: could see that lad was in there, Like you can
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  Speaker 2: look at it each week and see at JSN popped
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  Speaker 2: off the page and everyone's mad about him hitting at chalk.
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  Speaker 2: You got to figure out how to play the chalk
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  Speaker 2: That's really what it comes down to. So Matt, we're
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  Speaker 2: excited to have you. The nation's already talking about it
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  Speaker 2: in the chat. They thought it was like a grand reveal.
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  Speaker 2: They thought you were like the dark and like boom,
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  Speaker 2: he's here.
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  Speaker 1: But what's going on?
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  Speaker 5: Man?
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  Speaker 2: We're super excited to have you on the show, but
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  Speaker 2: more excited to have you now as part of ship
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  Speaker 2: a nation.
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  Speaker 1: Got to be helping us out first off with MBA.
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  Speaker 2: And then might have a little few more things up
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  Speaker 2: our sleeves that we're going to talk about this week.
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  Speaker 1: But what's going on, man? How you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Pumped to be here, Pumped to be with both you guys.
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  Speaker 5: Definitely no grand reveal, more like life is going to life.
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  Speaker 5: The camera that I've used for shows for three years,
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  Speaker 5: all of a sudden this morning is going to funk
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  Speaker 5: out on me, So onto my backup camera. That's why
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  Speaker 5: it's a little bit weird over here. But gotta adjust, right,
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  Speaker 5: Gotta adjust when life comes your way. So happy to
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  Speaker 5: be here, Sorry for the late appearance, but excited to
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  Speaker 5: talk about yesterday's slate with you guys. I'm glad that
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  Speaker 5: I hopped in right when you were talking about a
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  Speaker 5: chan because he was in my best lineup, so he
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  Speaker 5: was really big for me at very very low ownership
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  Speaker 5: in that big millie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what was I mean, that's amazing, Like you know
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  Speaker 2: the camera thing. Good news is at least we know
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  Speaker 2: you can afford one obviously on an absolute massive heater
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  Speaker 2: right now. Just the way time and like you said,
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  Speaker 2: lifeful life. The way life goes sometimes is interesting. But
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  Speaker 2: we've been talking before and then it's like, oh, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, he's he's already about to join the nation
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  Speaker 2: and this guy decides to just ship like two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty k over three slates. You almost won the
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  Speaker 2: million maker, and oh my gosh, like this is just crazy.
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  Speaker 2: But either way, man, excited to have your talk about
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts on HN then for just a minute, because
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  Speaker 2: he was a guy yesterday that was priced up. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: was going the mid tier running backs, but you still
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  Speaker 2: had no Tyreek Hill. The Dolphins were at home against
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  Speaker 2: the Chargers that they definitely could be run on. But
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  Speaker 2: he was a running back that ended up coming in
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  Speaker 2: just extremely low. I think he was six percent in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of places. What was your thoughts on why
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  Speaker 2: you went to him as opposed to some of the others.
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  Speaker 3: So I've never done a show with Nids.
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  Speaker 5: I've never met Nids, but I couldn't have said it
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  Speaker 5: any better myself than how he broke it down. A
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  Speaker 5: lot of people liked Herbert. A lot of people like
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  Speaker 5: those receivers. I mean, who on Miami is really gonna
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  Speaker 5: speed that game up? H Chen is by far their
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  Speaker 5: best offensive weapon. I think he you know, he's kind
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  Speaker 5: of a wide receiver in a running back's body, and
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  Speaker 5: they certainly use him in all sorts of ways. If
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  Speaker 5: you watch that game, he was clearly the best player
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  Speaker 5: on the field, and I just kind of like Nate's
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  Speaker 5: put it all the running backs couldn't get ownership.
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  Speaker 3: I also liked the idea of.
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  Speaker 5: The guy who was massive massive chalk last week not
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  Speaker 5: getting any ownership this week.
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  Speaker 3: He let people down. He wasn't great.
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  Speaker 5: I know the matchups were a lot different, but he's
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  Speaker 5: the type of guy that can hit a ceiling in
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  Speaker 5: any type of game, and he did it yesterday. I
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  Speaker 5: didn't like love the spot, but I like the Herbert side,
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  Speaker 5: and he was the runback I liked best.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love the call you brought up too.
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  Speaker 2: Nads and I talk about this all the time, like
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  Speaker 2: it's a look at it yesterday again too, same thing
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  Speaker 2: with Tyler Warren and again other Obviously Meyer got there,
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  Speaker 2: so it changes up the slate, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like the thing about Warren the week before, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: this guy gets goal line carries, he's everything, he's their
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  Speaker 2: whole team. And then there's there's guys that are ruled
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  Speaker 2: out and it's like the spot technically should be even
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  Speaker 2: better for him, but the ownership cuts in half and
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  Speaker 2: he's now down to like fourteen as.
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  Speaker 1: Opposed to twenty eight in places.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other thing is the a cham One,
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  Speaker 2: the guy's massive cho the week before. Not much changes
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  Speaker 2: except he has one bad week and people just abandoned
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  Speaker 2: ship right like it's time to move off this guy.
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  Speaker 2: We got all these other options instead, So I like
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  Speaker 2: that call quite a bit. The other one was the
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  Speaker 2: Rico Dawdle. Like again, people we were making fun of it.
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  Speaker 2: Whop called him Dodal yesterday and I thought that was
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  Speaker 2: hilarious and you did need him to get the dough.
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  Speaker 5: So here's my thing about Dowdell, Like real quick, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if you guys had talked about him while
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  Speaker 5: I was messing up my camera. You can't you know,
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  Speaker 5: this isn't the basis of everything. But he's freaking good
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  Speaker 5: at ball. I mean, I think Dowdell is a freaking
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  Speaker 5: stud just hasn't been given the opportunity. So when he's
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  Speaker 5: going to be given the opportunity and he's still cheap
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  Speaker 5: like this, I'm gonna play him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he gets the Jets next week too, So
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Hubard's gonna be back.
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  Speaker 1: But I saw the chat this morning around that Nads.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you did a good job breaking this one down,
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  Speaker 2: and it was you know, Javonte, By the way, we
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: ended up getting this right, and we came in pretty close,
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  Speaker 2: but we had we had Dowdell just a little bit
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  Speaker 2: higher in ownership. He ended up coming in just a
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  Speaker 2: little bit higher. And before that everyone had Williams as higher.
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  Speaker 2: But this was just a classic way to make that move.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody really wanted.
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  Speaker 1: Pickens at sixty eight hundred.
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  Speaker 2: There was nice Dak lineups out there that could play
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  Speaker 2: like Dak Pickens Ferguson with Doubtell and whatever, or like
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  Speaker 2: you could have mixed in Tet as well.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't have as big of a game as some
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  Speaker 1: of those other receivers.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the bigger thing to me yesterday was
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  Speaker 2: what we kept talking about with Puka.
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  Speaker 1: Puka still did have a price adjustment, like he was
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  Speaker 1: up to eighty seven hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Now what wasn't happening was tet people think he's going higher,
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: Well then why didn't you love him at sick I Again,
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  Speaker 2: he did get ownership, so I shouldn't say people didn't
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  Speaker 2: love him, but you get what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: But the biggest one was with JSN.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anyone who was surprised by this guy
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  Speaker 2: having another big game and he was priced as he's
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: Puka for eleven hundred dollars cheaper said it on the
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: show talk about It's not like an after the fact thing.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, this is the same spot.
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  Speaker 2: So if you were on the Lawrence Brian Thomas Junior,
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  Speaker 2: who could have had like that combo by the way,
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  Speaker 2: not even just being results orry, it felt like they
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: could have had like four hundred yards and four touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: But that TD got called back. Did you see that?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Travis Hunter holding car. What the hell?
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  Speaker 2: It was like just ridiculous stuff. But either way, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't hate the spot. I think that was another
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  Speaker 2: good one to get after. And if you're playing JSN
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  Speaker 2: the Donald JSN Cup Stacks with BTJ, or if you
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  Speaker 2: wanted to go Laurence BTJ long with JSN, like, there
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  Speaker 2: was tons of ways you could get there. And we're
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: gonna look at some lineups in a bit, as we
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  Speaker 2: always do, but Nays, is there any other thoughts you
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  Speaker 2: had just around this perfect lineup as we click back
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  Speaker 2: to it here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, not much more. I do want to kind
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  Speaker 4: of hit into Matt's point or out the game stack
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  Speaker 4: there with the ah hm pis too right? When people
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  Speaker 4: were going to the running that game back right where
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: they going they were going to Watto because he was
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  Speaker 4: sixty one hundred dollars and they didn't want to spend
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: if they were spending seventy eight hundred dollars on a
• 12:50
  Speaker 4: running back, they were clicking Christian McCaffrey or Jonathan Taylor
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  Speaker 4: for a little bit more expensive, right, and for the
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: scarcity they know they can only play three running backs. Well,
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: guess what, there's no way I can't play Donnald. There's
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  Speaker 4: no way I can't play Davonte Williams. There's no way
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  Speaker 4: I can't play Rashad White. Those are the best players
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  Speaker 4: in the slate. Well, how do I run that game back?
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Wattle? Wattle came in much higher on than Chan did, right,
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  Speaker 4: and it was a cheaper, cheaper and more comfortable stack. Right,
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  Speaker 4: But who's the most most explosive player on that team?
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  Speaker 4: We talked about these game environments. Run you're looking into
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  Speaker 4: stacking partners and running guys back. What can pick up
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  Speaker 4: the game environment? Right? Jalen Wattle is more your PPR guy. Right,
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna rack up eight for sixty seven eighty yards,
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  Speaker 4: right and maybe score a touchdown? Right? A Chan can
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  Speaker 4: break that seventy yard runoff things like that. So I
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  Speaker 4: think that's an important piece that doesn't get thought about
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  Speaker 4: too often.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: People just think everybody's correlated within the same game environment,
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  Speaker 4: and that's just not the case.
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  Speaker 2: Another thing too, I want to bring up quickly because
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  Speaker 2: I definitely talked in this heavily, and it's like a
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: big factor just from an understanding the slate perspective. Look
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  Speaker 2: who shows up as the optimal D And again people
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  Speaker 2: go on for days like we always talk about the
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  Speaker 2: high variants. But what did I say, if there's a
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: there's a way to go after everybody wanted the Houston
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  Speaker 2: D the week before against Cooper Rush, our stack rankings,
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  Speaker 2: Cooper Rush dead bottom, cam Ward right behind him, and you.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: Play Vegas or you play the Rams.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: Everyone was already playing Green Bay and Indianapolis and all
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: these other things, and even if you didn't have Williams
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: in there, that was a way to cut in to
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: the Williams team.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: But I was saying it was it was so interesting that.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: People didn't really want to go to the D that's
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: in the exact same matchup as the week before that
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: the Houston D got there.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: It's like, that's kind of the whole point.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: So we always talk about these stack rankings, and Matt,
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: it's awesome having you on her to get a different perspective.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: But we look at our stack rankings.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: They're not like the rest of the industry, where like
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: people were like, how would Spencer Rattler be the best
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: stack on the slate. And it's not saying that it's
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: not a good stack er, it's necessarily the best. It's
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: the best value when you take our projections and ownership
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: and salary and bring it out to play. And then
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: the difference is when somebody's building a single entry and
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: they say, Okay, I want a good stack. I got
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of money to spend. Okay, maybe I look
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: at a baker. Obviously injuries yesterday don't help. But maybe
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: I got money to spend. I can find that, or
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: I can go to Darnold JSM with cup again. But
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: if I don't have money, maybe to Hoops Point yesterday.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: There was a crazy lineup here, Nads that almost again
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: didn't even get there. But the game environment we had
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: it as sneaky on the stone. This was the lineup yesterday, Nads.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: I gotta show you this and Matt, just so you're
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: learning this how we use the stack rankings.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: This is an interesting one.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: If you built Spencer, Rattler, Olave Shaheed, and then you
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: put in Hunter, Henry and Diggs, and you filled up
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: all those positions with the game. It allowed you to
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: fit Rashad White because you're not on the Tampa Bay stack.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: It allowed you to fit Jacobs because you're not on
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Green Bay. It allowed you to fit Jonathan Taylor because
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: you're not on the Indie passing attack and then it
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: landed on the defense Green Bay to go with Jacobs
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: and against the third lowest guy, Flacco. It didn't work
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: out at all, but the environment was good and could
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: have went back and forth. It could have been Diggs
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: and Henry instead of Booty and and Pop Douglas. It
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: could have been a lot of different things and could
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: have should have. Would I if my aunt had, you
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: know what, she'd be my uncle? I get it, But
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I'm saying the main point is is that's how you're
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: thinking about this stuff when you're building. And well, that
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: one didn't work out some of them. Did you see
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett? You see, if you're not on the Carolina
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: passing stack, you could be on Doubt. We'll already know
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: that was a good play anyway. If you're not on
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: these guys, you could be on Jacob's. Like, all the
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: stuff does start to add up, and you see it
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: there with that perfect lineup when you go back, was
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: there anything else there needs you have with it.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: On that one? And then I'll go to Matt. Nope,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: all good, Matt, anything you saw with that? I mean,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: obviously this is the perfect lineup.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: You can see where doubtll a cham Booty, Pickens, JSN
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. All we oftentimes try and show off
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: is like, if you're not on something here, like if
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: you're not on Carolina because they're down the board, maybe
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: you're on Doubt All. If you're not playing Wicks, crab Doabbs,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: any of those guys, maybe you're on Jacob's right.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: If you're not on Hunter, Henry and Diggs, maybe you're
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: on Booty.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Like it seems like they always we were always in
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the right place, but sometimes on the wrong players. And
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: you probably have experienced that a ton in DFS, and
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: maybe you could talk to that a little bit as well.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: I've never really broken it down that way or heard
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: it broken down that way, but I think that's a
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: really good way to kind of put the puzzle pieces together,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: just in a like a metatorical sense, like the way
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: you broke it down, where if you're not playing that stack,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: pick out a piece of the top offenses, et cetera.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: For me, the biggest thing that stood out looking at
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: the perfect lineup kind of ties into ownership. And when
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: you were talking about him, I wasn't sure if you
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: were surprised at his ownership or not.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I was surprised at how highly owned JSN was.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: Maybe that was to my own peril, but I certainly
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: thought Pooka, at least from reading stuff and listening to
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: stuff throughout the week, was going to be the highest
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: owned player. He was still pretty highly owned, but chass
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: End was significantly higher.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: That had to do with Lawrence being highly owned and
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Brian Thomas, etc.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: People wanting a run back, not saying it was a
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: bad play at all. Certainly it's an amazing play, because
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: he's amazing. I was surprised at how highly owned he was.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Though, yeah, the biggest thing, so it didn't really shock me.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: And what I kept talking about all weekend with the
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: with starting with Leverage Lane and then it bled into
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Sunday and talking about it on the main show was
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: just how it was very clear to me that Williams
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: was moving up the board. I think he ended up
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: being the fourth highest own or third highest sole. He
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: was up there for sure.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And then the I.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Heard you talk about that, what's that? I heard you
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: talk about that, how Williams was Gaining's team and how
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: you thought that might pull into Puka, and maybe I.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Wanted to clarify myself. So I kept telling people that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, I know it's not going to like
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: moonwalk him, but it's going to hold him in check
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: where he's not going to get out of hand. And
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: clearly what happened is, like you said, as Herbert and
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Lawrence became more popopular, it wasn't as much of the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Drake May Diggs Olave stuff people were expected in those lineups. Yes,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that was what you saw, but because it was moving
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: more too, now you needed to pay up for Brian
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Thomas Junior like you.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Said, or a little bit for Lawrence and Herbert over
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the other.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Start, those types of lot like Buka, other guys were
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: coming into play. I think people started to see it
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: like I saw it, and it was JSN. If you're
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: not getting to Puka, you better still get JSN. He's
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the next best thing. And he's literally Puka for eleven
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars cheaper. Even before the results hit the board,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and obviously a Puka played a full game yesterday, there
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: was a high chance. I mean he came down on
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: his injury off what could have been a touchdown, So
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: it's like there could have been a lot more to
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that Puka Day. It's just that's what happens when you
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: get these injuries, and it's been pretty wild to start
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of the season for wide receiver one injuries as a whole,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: so it's not ideal.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Just going back to that real quick, that was my
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: biggest mistake on the slate. I played four lineups and
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: I faded the Rams not because I thought they wouldn't
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: score it, but just because I thought they were really
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: good plays is all over the place and didn't need
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: to play them. I didn't play js N because I
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: didn't play Seattle or Jacksonville. I didn't really think and
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: again this was me kind of overlooking him in general
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: that he was gonna be like the highest owned player
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: on the slate.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I was completely off on that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the slate dynamics. It's always the thing, right,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you don't we don't know what we don't know. We
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: have to put as totally predictive behind it as we can.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: But that's sort of the It's definitely one of the
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: biggest reasons I love doing the Leverage Lane show now
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: with Alex on Saturday is because it's another check in point,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: whereas before I always get in my favorite shows on
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: the Sunday Show with Hoop and title and breaking it
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: all down game day like right before and finalizing thoughts
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: and making my little notes as we go along and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: things like that. But in general, this this show on
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Saturday has helped me huge with starting to see the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: slate even more clear. And I know a lot of
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: people are I'll just say it straight up, Becau, It's true.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have lost a lot
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: leading into you know week and you know, and it's
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: because not everyone can win. But you got to remember
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: with NFL, you're playing for like one good slate, Like
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it could be one good slate, Matt, you want a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: bunch of money over.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: One week's In general, I feel like, especially when you're
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: only playing tournaments, go ahead.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Sorry, no, you're right, and you nailed it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It is DFS in general, But because it's an NFL show,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I was just keeping it there but just noting it
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: as we get the news that Pooka is expected to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: miss one to two weeks now, just noting it. It's
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: not rude or against you, my boy, I'm saying, but
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: like you might not win the rest of the NFL season,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: but that one week was huge like, that's a quarter
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: million dollars in one week. It's what we play for
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and that's what turns it around in one slate. So
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: if you're out there right now and you're like, well,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: NFL sucks, I'm down three grand to start the season,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I know that exists for a lot of people. You
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: could win ten grand tonight, you could win ten grand
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: next Sunday.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: You could win fifty grand.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Show up to our guy Rick Rick ten Bush from
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: from Mastermind and from ship In Nation. He won fifty
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: grand yesterday. Huge day for him, and he's still come
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: for the six figure score. But I tell you what
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a fifty grand score certainly helps. We've had one hundred k,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: one hundred k, and now a fifty k in back
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to back to back weeks that ship a Nation from
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: members of the community. But that's one person winning it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Your turn could be next, maybe it won't be, but
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you're always working to get better and that's why you're
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: here watching something like this. And to Matt's point, that's
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: DFS as a whole, especially when you're just playing tournaments.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: If you don't like the swings, you would.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Really want to focus on cash games and hire higher
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: dollars smaller field, and really that's a risk in itself
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: because then you could be playing against better players. So
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: maybe just smaller fields normal buyings might be better for you.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But nay, it's anything to add on that. I mean,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: it's obviously part of the game, but I think that's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: important to note.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean again, you're you're gonna lose more
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: times than you're gonna win. That's just the nature of
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: the game, right, But you gotta be able to use
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: the content, you gotta stay with it. That's why it's
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: so important to be a part of a community. And
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: we like to be biased and think our community is
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: the best and the most affordable for people. But obviously
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: that's up to you to kind of decide there. But
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: you have to be in the game too to be
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: able to win at the game, right, I mean, all
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: it takes is I mean, you could play literally thirty
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: dollars on a Sunday and have a chance to win
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: upwards of close to hunter grand with some of these contests, right,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: And that's where I've been kind of tweaking my process
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: thanks to Tamble and working kind of behind the scenes
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: on things like that. Right, Just running uniques. Historically, I
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: ran I kind of always did a five max, right,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: and I would run my five macs across different single
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: entries and just hope that those five teams that I'm
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: building are kind of the nuts. Right. Well, after talking
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: with that, kind of looking at these contests, right and
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: just spreading it out more, right, it doesn't mean I'm
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: playing more buy ins. I'm just playing more lineups across
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: my portfolio because I would rather ship one contest than
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: min cash or just miss the cash in five duplicate
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: lineups across five different contests, things like that. So taking
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: a look at that in your process, right, is a
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: good way to kind of take a look at it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: And again, all takes is one week, All takes his
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: one showdown, It takes it is this, but you have
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: to be in the game to be able to have
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: that chance at that big So staying within your means
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: and realizing that the first couple of weeks of the
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: NFL season are basically preseason, right because these guys don't play.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: So then you get into weeks five, six, seven, the
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: buys start happening, injuries start happens, those things shake up
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: a little bit. Once you kind of get Week eight
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: and beyond is when start things start getting more solidified,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: right your DVP gets updated. The Stone is a great
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: tool obviously for Shipping Nation subscribers that has all of
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: that in one place. That's why we think it's the
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: best place to be in the industry. You'll see that
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: right with the report cards on there now. But if
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: I can give one piece of advice, it's you don't
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: always have to play more buy ins. You can play
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: more lineups within your portfolio with the same buy in.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people find success.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Like I said, we got one hundred plus ten thousand
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: dollars winners, We've got a thousand plus thousand dollars winners.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: We got four million Maaker winners.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: You can watch the story for Dalton and Chris here,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: both in football, Golf, Our Guys Scars. The most recent
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: my man Mark won a million in showdown with NFL. Like,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: there's lots of people having success. Try it out five
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: days for nineteen dollars with code ship nineteen.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the twenty dollars milli.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Maker and they finally got it updated this week, so
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: we can check some stuff out here, which is exciting
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: actually came first and fifth with two completely different lineups.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: This one was a Daniel Jones in fifth with Daniel
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Jones and Josh Downs. And then the first place lineup
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: was here. It was a tight window three points there.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: But this was the lineup Matt, and I'll let you
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: break this one down first. But it was a Drake
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: May with Booty. It was Jacob's Williams Dowdell at the
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: running back positions or at the three were using three
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: running backs, including the flex.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: It had Pickens across from Dowdell.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: It had the Indie d against Arizona, and then it
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: had Meyer at tight end and JSN at wide receiver.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: And I get like, obviously these are very close to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the optimals and et cetera, et cetera, but we try
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and look at it just from a perspective of like
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: how they got there, what they saw, how they built.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And I'll say the first thing Dowdell in the fleck
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: with Jacob's in the running back position. So it's like, again,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: people aren't even looking at this stuff and you can
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: still get to the top.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So it's just a note. That's that's one thing for
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: sure that I see that stands out right away.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, what stands out is a lot different
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: than last week. Right, Like we talked about a Chan
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: and how good he was. He was so low owned
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: he didn't even need him here because he had Bote
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: who was solo owned, who nutted. You know, he had
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: low owned players that were really really good, so he
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: didn't need a Chan. He didn't need Vegas or the
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: rams D because neither of those d's were crazy highly owned.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: He got mostly everything right and the stuff that he got,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: like really really right were his low owned plays, which
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: helps a lot. So he played the chalk JSN doubt all.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Both those guys were guys you needed. But he was
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: able to survive or get to the top without the
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: top D without a CHAN because Bute was so low owned.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Pickens was that's really low owned in the twenty dollars
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: million maker for a good sixty eight hundred wide receiver.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: So yeah, obviously a really good lineup took down the
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: million Maker.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Certainly not someone that is probably playing professionally or something
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: like that, because like you said, he did not play
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Jacobs in the flex. Ultimately it didn't matter, and most
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: of the time it's not gonna matter. But you don't
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: want to box yourself into that hole because sometimes it might.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: So yeah, really really good lineup. Surprising to me that
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: neither a Chan or one of the Rams or Raiders
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: weren't in the lineup. But again that goes to Boute
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: and Pickens being bouta really lowaned in Pickens being low owned.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and even with like May getting up
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: there in a little bit like everyone Like this is
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: another prime example, like we talked, I always call it
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the slice and dice and Nats loves this one.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: But it's like, this is the whole point.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Like even if you're like, well, that technically is chalk
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: for a quarterback, Like, yes, it gets spread out.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I'll use the same example as always. I'm gonna round
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it down to ten.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: If there was a hundred people in a room and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: ninety of them left the room, there's only ten of you, Like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: it's literally not as much as what you think, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: you could put it however you want. But even if
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: you still don't believe or like my case that I'm making,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: he has a special one percenter there with him to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: make it completely different. That actually sets it off and
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: still puts him in a much different room even when
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: eighty eight people leave the room in twelve stand he
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: has a secret recipe for how he's gonna get to
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: leave that room and be the last one standing. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: it's right here in the one percent pairing. So little
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: things like that matter so much more. There still was a.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Lot of lower on plays.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I'm even surprised with late swap with everything that Meyer
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: didn't get more ownership, Like four point eight is pretty solid.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I thought my guy Hoop, our guy Hoop yesterday made
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: a really strong point about that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Was like even when Bauers was there, he had a role.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And so when you think about that at thirty one hundred,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: that makes a ton of things work, even if you
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: didn't get to booty. And to be honest, think about this,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: we know most people that play aren't playing one hundred
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and fifty lineups in the twenty dollars, So it's not
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: really about a portfolio. It's like how did they build
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: their lineup, But it's not about the best score like
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: two oh five can win you a bunch yesterday and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of satellites and smaller fields and all that stuff.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: So this is the nut nut lineup to get to
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the top, not quite the optimal to.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Get their nads.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: But you could have moved off of pieces here and
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: got something else slightly wrong and still got there. Right,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: that's my point. So what do you see here in
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: nads with this or anything you want to add?
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I looked at his exposures. He built eight
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: teams or heel or she whoever it is here, it's
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: definitely a handbuilder eight lineups. Handbuilding strictly tells me just
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: with the Jacobs in the running back position, whereas the
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: flex ninety nine percent of optimizers out there will automatically
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: put your latest guy into the flex there. So that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: kind of there. And I looked at his exposures a
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: little bit, and he picked his game environment. So kudos
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: to them for picking the game environments. They were heavily
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: exposed into the Carolina Dallas game. Right. They had Dak
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: over half of their I think five of their eight
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: lineups were either Dak or Bryce Young, right, and then
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the one lineup that they played Drake may ended up
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: being the nuts to get to the top. That's just
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: the way it kind of goes there. But I will
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: talk about the Michael Mayer piece because Ashton Gentry yesterday
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: was coming in projected to be one of the highestone
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: running backs. He came in as the seventh overall in
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the twenty dollars million maker over twenty percent. If he's
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: not getting there, and you're not playing them because you
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: already have three running backs that you want to play, right,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs, you're playing the Rico Daldo can't miss spot right,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: and then you're leveraging the Pooka nakua with the Kirn. Well,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: if Gentry's not beating those guys, well, maybe it's Michael Mayer.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Right at a onesie position in the flex, you're not
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: playing Hunter Henry in the drake maystack right, So picking
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: up the end zone, you're kind of double leveraging the field, right,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: whether they realized they were doing it or not, right,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: That's kind of what I see is Michael Mayer had
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: a role before, like Coop talked about, right, you knew
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: when people were playing the Raiders, they were going to
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Jacoby Myers or Gentry going to Michael Mayer, who, Hey,
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: guess what he can score just as often in the
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: red zone. Right, big tight end, big body. They like
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: this guy, Why can't it be him? Right to knock
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: gentry down the board. Keep my running backs that I'm
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: playing above him, right to give me a chance to
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: the top of the leader board. So I didn't want
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: to call it that one piece too. And then the
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: JSN piece. A lot of people talk about this is
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: JSN is literally I mean, you talk about it Puka, right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: But I look at the I looked at the overall
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: receiving stats on the year. JYSN is averaging almost ten
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: targets a game that's like less than a target less
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: It's like within a target of what Puka Nikua is averaging.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: He's thirteen hundred dollars or eleven hundred dollars cheaper in
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: an offense that passes seventy percent of the time. Right,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: And they don't like their running backs that they have
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: in Seattle, right, Kenneth Walker Charbonnet this and that. I mean,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: the report card on the stone shows you seventy percent
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: pass rate for a team that is on the road
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: as underdogs against a D minus pass defense. Right. So
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: this guy is an alpha receiver. You don't need to
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: run him back, you don't need to stack him. He
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: can just be your guy, regardless of if he would
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: have got there. This week or not right, it was
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: the way it shook out for the roster, So didn't
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: want to hit on that additional piece to kind of
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: piggyback off of what Matt was saying overall, looking at
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: the slate yesterday, of realizing Jackson Smith why he was
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: kind of is owned as he would have or as
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: owned as he was overall, but overall really good building.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I like the way he built his portfolio with his
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: eight teams going in on his spots, knowing he was
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: up against a field of one hundred and sixty one
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: thousand people.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: The JAD appening after you now because there's no r
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: ingentee and so they're correct.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I'm the worst. Everybody knows from the hockey breakdowns and this.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, you want to talk about trying to pronounce names,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: go to and pronounce hockey guys, but I'm terrible with pronunciations.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: So let me let me stop for two seconds, because
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I actually have a thought.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: This has been creeping into my own mind, and I
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: don't like to react to smaller samples ever, and I
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: literally think that it's just I don't know what it is,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: whether it's wait, like more information comes out, the pricing
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: gets tighter.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I've talked about this a ton for people to follow.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: My stuff, but I never win an NFL until like
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: week seven and beyond.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: It's like just the way it always where.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Every year I've had big scores, live final stuff on
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: hundred K scores, all this stuff, and it seems to
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: always happen, and I'll wait for it and be patient.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Last year could have been a lot better, but it's
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: like when I do have a big score, it's almost
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: always after the first six seven weeks.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Like that's just the way it goes. And I don't
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: know why that is.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And one of the things I thought about, and Matt,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna kick this to you and get your thoughts
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: on this, but I talk about this so often and
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: especially with handbuilds, and I still don't think it's it's again.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Right or wrong whatever. It's more like it's completely subjective.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying I always talk about like the parlay
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: build out right, Like it's like you get a stack
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that's one thing, you get a secondary stack that's a
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: second thing, you get another secondary stack that's the third thing,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and they're like, if you need the fourth thing to happen,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: like that's a really good build. But sometimes to like
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Naz's point there, you can like Drake May and Booty
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: is one, ric o'doubtle and Pickens is two, but after
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: that it's like Indianapolis D versus Jacoby Brissett. Sure, and
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: mind you that was good leverage the other way Brissette
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: actually worked out Meyer as a fill in makes sense.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: JSN. You can play them as a one off.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: That's fine if there is somewhat to like combining Williams
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and JSN, because it's like you're not going Puka, You're
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: going Jasn instead. So even if you count that as
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: one together, you still land on six another good spot
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: of Jacob's in my example, like you still have kind
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of like six things you need to happen here. But
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the thing is they're like so likely to happen for
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: some of them, Like they're such good spots, like the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Jacob spot, the jas and so well they always work out. No,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: but I think sometimes my thought process is just speaking
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: out loud me in a bit vulnerable.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Is I actually think I'm.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Overthinking the correlations and stuff a little too much, especially
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: maybe early in the season where we know less and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: like more stuff can just happen randomly, so well, it
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: makes a ton of sense on paper. You're like, damn,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: this didn't go on my favorite that. Do you have
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: any thoughts on that?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Matten? Did that make sense what I'm putting out there?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it totally makes sense.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: I think that kind of goes back to what I
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: said when I mentioned that I didn't play the rams
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: and how on any NFL slate, even a ten gamer
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: like this one where we had some teams on by
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: two Monday night games, a London game, there's still gonna
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: be wouldn't say an infinite but a lot of really
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: good plays. You just think about it, and I like
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: to think about it if I were doing like a
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: like a fantasy draft of all the players on the slate,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: like with correlation not really mattering, there's gonna be a
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: lot of good players to pick from now. To get
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: to the top of DFS tournaments, oftentimes you need that correlation.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: But when you've got a one percent guy like Boute
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: given you like one of the best wide receiver scores
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: on the slate, you have leeway and a lot of
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: other spots. Now to get to the all the way
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: to the top, you need the jsns. You need the
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: doubt you need the Myers, you need the Pickens. But
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: when you have those guys, like you're able to use
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: NDSD instead of the Raiders or Rams, you're able to
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: not have a Chan and have Kyron Williams or whoever
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: else instead. Like this lineup, I think sets itself apart
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: because of not like the real reason is boutet.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree on hundred percent, and that's why, like
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I said, like I guess my my takeaway too is
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: when you think about it, Like this line for sure
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: from our guy Sean, who was on the show with
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: us recently appreciate him. He says, some of these million
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Maaker winners are so obvious, I feel dumb or not
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: landing on it. I wouldn't feel dumb, first of all,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: but second of all, I would say that I think
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: that's what gets in our head. And that's where I
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: always hear people say, you know, I've got all I
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: was on, all the right guys, just in all the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: wrong places.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: You're seeing the one person.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: That got the exact pieces in the right place. There's
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: everybody else not get all the right place, had all
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the right pieces, just not in the right place, and
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: all these people.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Bing ming Ming Ming, Ming, Ming Ming, and all these people.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Had a ton of right shit in the wrong place
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: because five grand versus a million over you know, two
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen versus two hundred and twenty seven points,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: so you know, twelve points can come from anywhere. It's
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and this is our guy over at Shipper Nation m
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Philly ten twenty two, rocking the logo.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I think this lineup's great.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Right, You've got Dak, You've got Pickens, you got Dabdell,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: You've got Williams, You've got lad and Gadson is like
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: a little combo pack. You've got Olave, you got the
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: rams D with Williams. Like this all makes perfect sense.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: It just didn't get there. But everyone's saying that at
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the end of it. When you look at it, you
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: have to remember a lot of these people have these
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: bigger portfolios. And again, you know, Kenny came in to
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: say welcome to you, Matt. It is a big favorite
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: of ours over a Ship and Nation. He's done stuff
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: with us at Mastermind as well as my first ever
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: interview over there. We all love Kenny so appreciate him
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: popping in to say what's up. And he says, we're
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: gonna get a chalk fail week soon. It's just been
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: crushing so far, and variants will eventually strike.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: That's when you see. You'll see the lineup and ask
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: how someone got there. So, yeah, we could see that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I think we saw a little of it this week.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Not to interrupt, but to be quite frank like, we
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: saw eight chan as the highest scoring running back. And
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: it's easy when you look at these lineups, especially at
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: the top lineup. You know, it's easy to think, why
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: didn't I make this lineup? All these guys were in
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: really good spots. Well what about Christian McCaffrey, who was
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: also in a really good spot. What about Lad McConkie,
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: who was also in a really good spot. It's easy
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: to forget about those guys and just look at the
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: guys who were in the lineup.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say something on that because I
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: think he nailed it. I mean, obviously those that don't know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Kenny's playing like nosebleed Steaks.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: He's in Thunderdome. He's playing all the highest Steaks stuff.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And he teased it in.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: The discord this morning, even said I got a little
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: bit too cute going away from certain items, but just
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: a note like, I don't even think this week did
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: that well.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: People just get so hyper focused on two things.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, Dowbling' JSN crushed, I never get there
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: with the chalk ice blah blah blah everything they got
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: First of all, Hooka thirty percent, four rushed, Jaelle Rana
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: twenty six percent eight an injury, sure, but four and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: for these guys were probably dead to these other plays anyway.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: They weren't getting there.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: And then you look at the other Steam candidates in
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Rashad White and Williams, Well you just saw Williams work
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: in that lineup sixteen and seventeen points.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: No good. McCaffrey does what he always does.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: If I could get twenty four points for eighty eighty
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: five hundred bucks eighty four hundred this week, but I
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: just don't think the chalk crushed this week. It's just
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: two pieces specifically crushed, and obviously Jacobs end up getting
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I will also say this, Jacobs William or sorry Jacobs McCaffrey.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: There is some late swappery to that stuff as.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Well, too, right like if you're you know, people would
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: have expected I think that CMC would be up there
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: further and then there's late swap gets added on to it,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: but either way, some chalk got there.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, but I do think people forget that what reason
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: chalk is chalk is because they're really good plays.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and I most know that, but I
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: think just in general to point it out, I am
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: even making fun of it. I posted other thing about
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: like the Rico Dautle chalk smack week, because it's a
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: revenge spot. It's all that, but it's the guy that
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: we said, everyone said, we don't expect him to get
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: two hundred yards again, but we'll take this out of him.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And then he goes and gets over two hundred all
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: scrimmage again, and it's like, so anyway, the point is
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: people are always gonna bitch about chalk. You need to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: get that out of your ears and move on because
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and not Kenny, just people in general. I'm saying it too,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: because the chalk didn't even smash yesterday. A couple of
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the chalk, three of the chalk pieces smashed. The rest
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: was terrible, injured or mediocre at best. So you did
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: start to see lineups when you go back to the leaderboard,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: like we showed you with one percenters, four percenters nine
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and twelves mixed in with the chalk going to our
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: guy m Philly point eight nine point five, four point nine,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: six point four. These lineups were right there.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Not my money.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: One had vital had Frickin Flacco, had Josh Downs, Taylor Warren.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could have slipped it around and got
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: different with him, but my point is there was tons.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: These are not like the lineup last week.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Where the lowest owned guy was seven percent. These lineups
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: are to me just fine. I thought they were definitely
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: just fine. So two tight ender trying to get up there,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: but I was gonna go to Udakow's lineup here just
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: because I think we'll see it again anyway. But this
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: was another example like Brissett with his tight end and
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: then Josh Downs for the injury stuff that we had
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: on this slate, and that's all really low owned.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: But then it's like even going a step.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Further, a chan Vegas was super popular on FanDuel, but
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: not on DraftKings because of the thirty two hundred dollars
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: price tag over here, So I mean that makes sense.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: But after that, Dowdell.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Ladd, Olave McCaffrey, like it was still a very well
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: built lineup, as you would expect within his portfolio. But
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I just thought that was interesting. Naids, do you have
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: any thoughts on this one? I mean, this is a
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: it kind of goes with what I said earlier, like
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: once you have Jacoby McBride and Downs, while other stuff
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: does kind of match up a little bit, not really right,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: like a chan mcconkey's the only other thing after that,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: not much at all. But it's still a really good
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: lineup and you've already got different enough with set McBride
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and Downs.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The thing I will say about the Downs play too,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: is it leverages off of Pittman, Warren and Taylor within
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: the same team, and you're skinny stacking quarterback at two
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: onesie positions. I learned that from you, Tampble talking with
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: you with a forty two quarterback and a fifty five
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: hundred dollars McBride who started the season almost seven k
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: right in an offense where they're they're facing us a
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: C plus a sea pass defense at bass right. Shout
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: out to the Stone for the rankings there. So that's
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: what I will say is you can get away with
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: skinny sacking quarterbacks at a onesie position, right, like a
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: tight end when you know it's leveraging on the other
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: side of the Warren game, right, the tailor, the Pittman,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: all of that, and just picking who's going to speed
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: that game up. Well, guess what, a bomb down the
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: sidelines to Josh Dowens will speed that game up.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you geting to add Matt on this one.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: No, just like going to our chalk discussion real quick,
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: I do think that. And to your point, which was
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: kind of the point that I made that it wasn't
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: like Chalk absolutely smashed this week, but the other side
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: of it was like the two guys that did smash,
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: especially Doubtle, like you absolutely had to have. It wasn't like,
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: oh the Chalk was really good in that regard, like
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: you couldn't win anything without Doubdell.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I had a forty percent for a reason, like you
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: said earlier, that's exactly it. That's why he was forty percent.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: It's like that's probably the one you've got to make
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: a decision on.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: And as you know we've.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Talked about in the past and our late brother Degenerates
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: seventy five shot out to him, but he always said
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: like ownership is leverage, meaning if a guy's own make
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: a decision, you can go underweight undoubted because you don't
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: like the chalk, you can go overweight. You can lock him,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: you can do you can get leverage undoubtle. If he's
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: thirty eight percent, you can play one hundred in your portfolio.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: If you want to. And that's what I was about
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I'll let you keep rolling, but I just want to
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: bring that up, like, I think that's important to remember
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Let's just see here.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: If you look like so you de cow, I show
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: you that lineup a second ago that was eleven in
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the Millie, but that was in his portfolio that ended
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: up winning the Wildcat, which is a you know, another
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: one fifty max tournament. So he played the same set
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: most likely. I didn't look at all of them, but
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I would assume so. But he had one hundred and
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: forty six unique lineups to one fifty use ninety two players.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And if you look here he went with the field undoubtle,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: he had thirty eight to thirty eight.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: But with McCaffrey, Oh, McCaffrey's gonna be so high owned,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: he's even gonna get steamed in the in the higher
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: dollars stuff. Okay, let me get double the field of
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: that guy. Then that's what I wanted to. Did it
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: fully work out, yes, because he won the tournament, But
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I mean it's like McCaffrey had a slate raking day.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: He did enough for his money and did a.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Standard score, but he had twenty five percent leverage on Williams.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: You go down and look, let me see. I mean
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I already suspect this, but if we find it, where
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: is STUPI by salary might be easy?
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Seventeen percent negative leverage on Puko, So he only had
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: twelve percent.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Right right, That's how I was going to show right there, Yeah, exactly.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: So that's my point. It's like you're making decision, You're
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you're making decisions. He doesn't have no.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Pooka, but his decision was to be overweight on Williams
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: underweight on Nikua's.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: That's part of it as well.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: So it's funny looking at this set.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, anytime we talked about this tambo, like anytime
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: you win a tournament, it takes luck up top. But
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: like the only thing that really stands out as like
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: a really well played position or stake on this on
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: these exposures to me is the under on Puoka, Like
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: I feel like he almost was just lucky to have
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: that one lineup up top, which happens when you enter
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: one fifty.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look here, this is another thing to
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: note in people with their portfolio, like obviously having a
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: lot of lineups helps being one of the.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Look for you to cow the best player in the world.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: All these things help, right, And we review all this
• 45:41
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• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I know people talked about even shit my money.
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• 45:50
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  Speaker 2: those guys do great stuff, but it's just it's more expensive.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Than some caen pay.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: But at Mastermind you could start for ninety nine bucks.
• 46:00
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• 46:02
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  Speaker 2: depth reviews. Nads is over there. You just did an
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: interview with me over there. That's where people first found
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: out about you. But just going back to this, in
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: the one fifty, McCaffrey did crush. He ended up on
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the lineup, thank you, and William's good for that and
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: a lobby like certain guys ended up on it. But
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: it's not like they necessarily crushed like Javonte, you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Warren Tent.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Some of these guys did, some of them didn't. So
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: it's like that's kind of the whole point.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: It's again, you got to have the right pieces go together,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: and when you've got the one hundred and fifty lineups
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: and you know how to build like he does.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: And like I said, I think he's the best in
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: And I got a statement on that in a second though,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: my boy fantas Sin, I gotta give him credit again
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: and his flowers because I love that guy.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: He's the man.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I've met him tons of times, We've been up to dinner,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: done different events, some of his family and friends. He's
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: he won the million again yesterday too, So obviously it's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: you're comparing two of the best in the world.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: But just that's Utica's lineup. This is phantas Sin. He
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: got another million Maker.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: He was second in the Milli t when you got
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: third just a two weeks ago. He got second in
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: that Milli Maker. He is phenomenal across all sports. And
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: here's his win and fourth place up top. He had
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: a Bryce Young lineup. So walk me through this one, Matt,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: see what you see here?
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I finished fifteenth in this tournament with my best lineup,
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: so I was definitely looking up at fantas Sin yesterday.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Just a really really solid lineup, good plays all over
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: the place. Obviously a much much smaller field so you
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: don't need to get everything right. You know, didn't have
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: JSN in this lineup, did have Jacobs and Dowdell. Didn't
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: have Puka obviously, and I think that was the biggest
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: thing with udkow Set because Puka was so expensive. Being
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: so under the field on him allowed you such different
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: roster construction, so you know, that's what really set you
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: to a part. And obviously, as you said, he's one of,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: if not the best, in the world, so props to him. Yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: the lineup up top and that million Maker was just
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: solid place all around. Didn't have the chalk that failed,
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: didn't have JSN, but had good other plays you know,
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: all over the place. So nothing that like really stands
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: out as being different. Just a well put together lineup
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: and what I have been surprised or could the fifth
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: lineup in this contest have finished first? Sure, but it
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: just happened to work out his way yesterday.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And I'll say this, like, so Kenny had brought this
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: up that he laughed over us.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: He goes, the sims are actually proving bringbacks to be
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: minus ev as a whole. Think you can either go
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: skinny stack or onslought to stay on the right side
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: of the math and then the fill and the rest.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I don't, yeah, like I don't disagree on what you're
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: seeing and what's happening is it certainly shows more often
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: than not that you could just play like four guys
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: like I.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Keep using the sheets.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Example, when he played the four Raiders that week, it's like,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to try and figure out Washington's mess.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play four Raiders.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: That happens, and then he goes sick lineup and immediately
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: contradicts the bringback. It's all whatever lineup up up top.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just gonna be a product of the
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: one that got there. But I don't think if you
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: look at every single line I'm not gonna go through
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: every single one, but I don't think you're gonna see
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: everybody doing it this way. But this lineup I thought
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: was really sound. Again, you got young Dowdell ted. I
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: think our guy Sean Sullivan who was in the chat earlier,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: talked about we could do this and then played Pickins
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: and that's a good starting point. Then you just plug
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: in white Lad Warren Jacobs and if you're not playing
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: the Drake May stuff, with the dig stuff, with all
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: of that, why not just land on the New Orleans
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: defense down there at twenty four hundred, leave a little
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: bit of money on the table and run it. Even
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: though they didn't come through, it's still got the job
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: done here. And I think that's kind of the whole
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: point of what I talked about earlier. There's really nothing
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: needs The lineup's amazing. It feels like what Seawan said
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: earlier too, of like I feel like, how did I
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: not have that lineup? It's so obvious.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: But because it is all just a bunch of really
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: good plays, but it's it wasn't overthought to be And
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: again he's not, you know, necessarily, he's definitely not handbuilding
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: this stuff out. So I can tell you that much.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: But to note it, it's I think I'm overthinking, and
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping that can help myself and others learn from
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: it in that especially right now, like you might be
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: overthinking the additional correlation stuff, even though it feels better.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Let the lineup flow naturally, and when you've already got
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: a nine percenter and a six percenter and everything that's
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: there in a smaller field like this, only six hundred
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: and thirty four entries to kind of cut in to
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: your forty four percenter, and you're even building up a
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: four man combo like most would go young and tet
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: or doubtle with no young. So you're already doing like
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: last week, the the Justin fields with Breese Hall stuff together. No,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, you're kind of doing the inverse of that.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: You can just let the good plays flow in after that.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: And that was my point earlier of like, yeah, this
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: sa ain't two twenty seven. It's not gonna win you
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: the twenty dollars MILLI maker. But most people aren't going
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: heavy on that anyway, and two oh four two oh
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: three point ninety six, to be exact, would play very
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: well in a lot of the tournaments yesterday and do
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: very very well in your return on investment.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Nay's anything you got to add here?
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to talk about this just the overall
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: lineup construction standpoint yesterday because I really kind of tapped
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: into saber big time to to really kind of not
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: handle the load but really focused on the inputs right
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: before I kind of ran teams and used the stone
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: right to create a player pool and more more to
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: come on that. Tamble and myself are going to walk
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: through doing something doing that for ship Nation members and
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: subscribers to how how can you build a player pool
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: to leverage a tool like sabersim to to help you
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: kind of get what you what you would kind of
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: want instead of just clicking clicking an easy button if
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: you will, right of optimized. Right. But I ran my
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: set yesterday of my m ME and looked at my
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: stack exposures and my top two stacks were QB plus two,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: QB plus three with no runbacks, and I was like,
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: I don't really understand that right, So the portfolio diversification
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: tool and saber shim is catching on too. Obviously, the
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: field and what the winning lineups are showing like, Yes,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: the smaller the field, the more correlation I like. But
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: the larger the field in these MME contests where you're
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: trying to beat one hundred and sixty some thousand people, right,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: most people, right, it's the whole At first correlation, nobody
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: did it right, Now everybody does it. So now it's
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: kind of finding that fine line of being over correlated
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: versus under correlated. When there's a ten games slate and
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: there's so many plays, if you force correlation every time, right,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: if you don't get that correlation piece on the bringback right,
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: chances are there's multiple other wide receivers within that same
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: range or running backs that are gonna beat you, And
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: those lineups just automatically jumped you because you input too much.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: So my point in saying this is I limited yesterday
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: because of how I like to normally build in my
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: smaller field five macs, single entries type stuff in my
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: MME set, And I don't know what it would have
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: looked like had I not done that, But that is
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: one thing that I've kind of learned in the SIMS
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: have helped me using sabersim creating the player pool of
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: it's okay just to do a quarterback plus two, quarterback
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: plus three and then fill out the other good and
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: have secondary correlations within the roster after that, you don't
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: need to run every game back. How many times have
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: we seen this year already where teams score thirty forty
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: points and the other team scorers under ten? Right, If
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: you force a correlation piece, you've got to strike lightning
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: in a bottle to hope you get the guy that
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: on the bringback coming back that scored the touchdown, right,
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: or gets the nine for one hundred and five in
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: one touchdown or something like that. So I didn't want
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: to call out that because I went through it yesterday
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: and saw that and kind of did my manual tweaks
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: a little bit, and I don't know what it could
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: have been or what it could have done. But I
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people are kind of realizing that
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: as well. And that's one thing the SIMS did talk
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: to me yesterday about using sabersim to see what the
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: roster constructions are.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good points.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I mean you noted it there is definitely it's going
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: to be a Mastermind additions, it's my personal problems and
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: needs is going to help guide it through. We're going
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: to record that today so all Mastermind members will get that.
• 54:04
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• 54:07
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• 54:29
  Speaker 1: You go to Mastermind. You can take a free tour
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: if you want.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: But if you go to Mastermind and see there, like
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  Speaker 1: You click I'm ready to join.
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• 54:49
  Speaker 2: then next week again, and then American Thanksgiving is just
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: around the corner, and that this is originally done for.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: But if you're playing those two to four game slates
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  Speaker 2: and you want to get better at them, this is
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: the whole point where you can take your g to
• 55:00
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• 55:04
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• 55:09
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  Speaker 2: So I never have a problem just bringing this up
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  Speaker 2: makeing sure people know about it. I think you should
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: always join the Nation first get access to the tools.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: But this is where kind of all the other players
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: that are looking to level up are going to.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: There's nothing like this that exists.
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  Speaker 2: There essentially the Netflix of dfs where you can go
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  Speaker 2: check it out. You go to ship at nation dot com,
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  Speaker 2: slash Mastermind, and then later today aids and myself. We
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: are going to be recording are sabersim mixed with the stone,
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  Speaker 2: mixed with everything to be able to show how we
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• 55:59
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• 56:04
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• 56:08
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• 56:12
  Speaker 2: So if you're a member at shiber Nation, check it out.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to this lineup. One thing I wanted
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: to look at was his portfolio fantasy in there, just
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: to see what he did with the Puka situation as well.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, where's it at here? Almost I did?
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Oh no, eight, I'm on the wrong thing. I apologize.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: I want to speak a it on this lineup too.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: When you're done, yeah, for sure, just one second, we'll
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Just bring it up here. Pukah he was just underweight on.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: And then if you go down to where was sort
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: of his main leverage at Rashad White sixty eight percent
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Rashad White. So that was his stand and then what
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: did he do undoubtle in these lineups?
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: He massed the field with Dad all was overweight on Rashad,
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: was even with the field on or a little slightly
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: under our Buka because he was overweight on Rashad White.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: So pretty much matched the field on a lot of
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: the guys. But it's tough when you only have when
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: that's nineteen rosters right in six hundred and thirty four
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: entries right, exposures or ownership obviously gets inflated big time.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll get it in a second for one
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: more spot, but I'll let Matt talk about it first
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: while we got it up here.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Matt.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: I just wanted to kind of sneak on it in
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: terms of my own lineups, because what's interesting to me
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: is it was like a combination of my lineups. Like
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: I mentioned, I played four, two of them cast one
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: of them finished fifteenth. The one that finished fifteenth was
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: a Chargers stack with ah Chan and the Okay, So
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: those were those two and the other two, the other
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: one that cash and the other kind of close one
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: to Cash were Bryce Young Dowbdell tech stacks. I just
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: didn't have Pickens and I didn't have mcconki in those
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: so it was almost a combination of those two lines,
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: which is frustrating.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: To be perfectly honest, I.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Like this line up here, by the way, I did
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: the worst, which is hilarious.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: But like you when you go all in on the
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay San Francisco game and it gets you genty
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: with the defense, Like it's just like, look at this,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: like all good plays and clearly owned, but it's like,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: how can I put him together differently? We'll let me
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: play it like this.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: So I think in a tournament when there's only six
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: hundred and.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Thirty four people, you want to talk about a lineup
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: that you'd be against like maybe one to two other
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: people with if it went that way, that would be huge, right,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: So just a note like people always look at this
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: and say, like, holy shit, he almost won the million again.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: He was up there and finished fifteenth. He won twenty
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: seven grand on his four lineups. This turned out to
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: be your better lineup yesterday. But there is nothing wrong
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: with a build like this, And I always talk about
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: these overstacks can work a lot better in a small
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: field because even if Juwan has fifteen and Igbuka has
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: twenty four and like, it doesn't quite match the other
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: spots of like JSNS and some of the chalkier plays
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: because you're in the smaller field and if everything else
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: goes your way, it can still overcome that and beat
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: it right versus in a large field that's not gonna
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: cut it. You're gonna need almost perfection at every spot.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about this Herbert lineup.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe because it's it's the one that did the best,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: so people will care about that.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: But what was your thought process?
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Well, we've got here and introducing you to the team
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: and to the members of the community, what's your thoughts
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: on this lineup?
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: So before I.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: Even give my thought process real quick, it's almost like
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: Nate to speak into my soul today, because the other
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: big mistake I made besides JSN was not playing Meyer
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: over Gent. There were so many good running back plays.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: Meyer was like the almost the wide receiver one for
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: the Raiders yesterday, Like you could just have gotten Genty's
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: score matched unless he had like a nuclear game, which
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: he didn't. So I thought that was the best, like
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: the best point, the one that it almost that we
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: talked about so far on this show. For me, my
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: thought process building this lineup was pretty simple in the
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: sense that Quinton Johnson was out, so I thought Lad
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: and Keenan Allen were both too cheap. I didn't like
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: love this spot. I never loved stacking West host teams
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: going east, but Herbert is generally good enough to overcome that.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: I thought hen was one of the best tournament plays
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: on the slate at his low ownership, and Dowdell was
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: a guy I played in three and I four. I
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: thought that he just kind of fit everywhere tees. Johnson
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: was one of my favorite cheap guys. He ended up
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: only getting there because of that late touchdown, but that's
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: what he can do. I played McBride because of exactly
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: what Nate said earlier. This was a guy that was
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: seven k earlier in the year. He wasn't getting any ownership.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: He was affordable, and no one was going to play him.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: Now that was kind of the mistake with JENTI If
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: I had just played Meyer and let's say Jacobs, I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: probably would have won it. But a lot of people
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: probably had two V twos like that, so I'm not
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: sitting here like regretting it. It's just a looking back
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: on type of thing. I like the Raiders D because,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: as you mentioned, they were getting a lot of ownership
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: on FANDLE but not as much on DK. They were
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: expensive enough where the ownership was going to be cut down.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: And this Tennessee offense is just atrocious. So I think
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: defenses are going to be in plague. It's them pretty
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: much every week. The lineup almost just came together and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: built itself.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Now do you think about this like I do for sure,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: But I'm just curious your thoughts on Like the Tess
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Johnson spot he obviously won, makes a lot work and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I know people say, well, it's crazy he got that
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: touchdown and still only got eleven, even though eleven is
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: pretty solid for thirty two hundred or eleven point five.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: The point is more the issue here is if Herbert
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: throws one more touchdown to either guys, but especially if
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: it was Keenan Allen, you pretty much win, like because
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: whatever the yards, the catch, the both of them getting
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: the touchdown in the correlate like maybe not win, but
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: it'd be very close, and anything else could happen if
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: some butts or candies and that we know this stuff.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: But my point being, you didn't play Rashad White, who
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: was extremely popular, even higher owned than this than anywhere else.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Of course, it's a you saw because a guy like
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Fantas Sin is playing sixty eight percent of or whatever.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Like that, that's people are just jamming him in.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Do you think about that, because it's not just the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: one off that is cheap, but it's also kind of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: a one off that leverages a running back that you're
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: not getting to. Is that a thought process as well
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: for you, you.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: Know a little bit, but when you have a guy
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: that cheat not too much. And also there were just
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: so many good running back plays on the slate. So
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: it wasn't me saying I don't like White, I want
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: to play tes Johnson. Instead, it was more that White
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: just didn't fit this lineup, and to your point at
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: the beginning, Tes Johnson opened everything up. But to that point, though,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: like this lineup didn't get there and wasn't perfect even
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: for this tournament. If I hadn't played you know, genty
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: and had you know Tes Johnson got there, but I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: don't think the top lineup had Ted Johnson going back
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: on it, so he was a good play, not a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: great play. There were certainly tweaks that could have been
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: made within this lineup, you know, the past two weeks.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: Last week was Chris Godwin, this week was Keenan Allen.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: I'm done with these old wide receivers, guys, I just
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: can't do it anymore.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously you're the worst player ever because you didn't
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: just play Booty instead of Tesz Johnson, and you Rashad
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: White instead of genty and have like a perfect TV
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: two and leave a couple of bucks on the table
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: and you would have won by a million. And but yeah, no,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: this is the whole point in going back over and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I thought the line. My takeaway was like, when you
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: have Herbert Ladd, Keenan, someone that actually pushes them in
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: a chan and Doubtell, that's like a very easy start
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: to say, like, feel pretty good about that. That's kind
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: of where I'm going with it to start things off.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: I'm fine with it. Then it's like, what did these
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: last four spots look like? And it could have been
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: tons of different combinations, But obviously when you're not on
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: White having tes and opening things up, getting to an
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: expensive tight end where most are going cheaper at a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: onesie position, whereas even most would have like some would
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: have a Gadson, someone have a long, some would have
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: a Meyer. If you're not going to Meyer here, maybe
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: it's because Genty's jamming them in and the defense is
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: doing the work with Genty, and that just kind of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: lands you on tes. It all does make a ton
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: of sense on paper and did a hell of a job,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: it just didn't get there. Fourteen spots short of the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: million is going to happen you finding success in NFL
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: right now as the season moves on.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and to I just want to touch on Nate's
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: point also because I think it was really like apropos
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: to what we're talking about.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: I think that's a big reach.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: And why runbacks are so popular is also kind of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: why stacking has taken off in MLB. It's just so
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: easy to build that way because instead of looking at
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: the other fifteen fifty five hundred wide receivers that are
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: in that range of whatever stack you're playing against, it's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: just easy to plug in that guy.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: But it doesn't mean that that guy's the best play.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: To your point.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly, naids.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Any final thoughts from you, man, This is it for today.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: It was awesome having mad On.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: I'll leave the final words to him, just everything with
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: joining the nation, but neids any final thoughts on week
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: six slate for you.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to make one additional point here that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: I see. I don't even know if you've kind of
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: thought about it this way either, Matt, but with the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: eight Chan, I get it. It's part of the Herbert
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: sack and that. But most people that are playing tes Johnson,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: I'd be willing to better also play in CMC and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: using that as a way to kind of unlock to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: get to CMC as a correlated piece there, so you're
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: not only leveraging the Tesz Johnson exposure within your lineup,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: whether you think about it or not, by using it
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: in a different way going to a chan who also
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: leverages off the expensive running back step below that to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: allow you to get up to McBride at a onesie position. Right,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: So little things like that too, I think people overlook
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: that agreable. Yeah, because I mean tedes Johnson came in
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: a ten percent own, which is still sixty over sixty
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: people in the contest played him. I'd be willing to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: bet majority of those, if not almost all of them
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: are with either Rashad White in a combination of that
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: game stack right, most likely with CMC to unlock people
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: to get up to that CMC price point in a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: small field like this, where people tend to just jam
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: the best plays right and get different in one or
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: two spots. So I did want to call that point
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: out because you didn't just not play CMC. You leveraged
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: eight Chan is gonna beat CMC tes Johnson. It just
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: kind of unlocks the roster, and most people that are
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: playing him are playing CMC.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate, appreciate the input. I mean, it's definitely something
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: to think about too. Is the what we talk about
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: with Alex and I on Leverage Lane, the combinations of
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: ownership and things like that. To Nad's point, there is
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: just one that happened more naturally and free flowing, but
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: there's always a ton of different ways. That's the whole
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: point of putting the puzzle together and trying to figure
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: it out and reverse engineer it to find our way
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: so that we can always be working on our game,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: getting sharper and hopefully getting to the top.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: That's the end goal.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Matt. Anything from you you want to add obviously was
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: super excited to have you at ship a nation starting
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: with the NBA content. But we've got plans for NFL,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: We've got plans for MLB, got a ton of plans
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: for the future. What's your thoughts from anything you want
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: to add before we get out of here. Thanks for
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: joining us, by the way.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was going to save this until after
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: the show, but why not just tell the public. Also,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: I was talking to my wife earlier this morning before
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: the show, and I've been doing shows for a long time.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: I cannot remember the last time I was this excited
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: to do a show.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: I'm frickin' hype to be here, hype to be doing
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: shows with you guys, hype to be in the discord.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: It's good times right now, really good vibes.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Man, we're very excited to have you. I know the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: chat and you know that's the other thing about this one.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: We did it as like an introduction. Hopefully people will
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: jump back and watch it. We know that most people
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: like to just click buttons, make lineups and move on
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: versus actually work on their game and get better. But
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: that's why we appreciate those that do show up for
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: this one. We know you're working to get better. It's
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: what we're all about at Shipper Nation, and I'll say,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: for sure speaking for everybody, that's why Matt is joining
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: the squad. He's obviously got a ton of success, but
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing for me is just the type of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: person he is fits the mold.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: He's just like us. He's very passionate about training, coaching, developing, teaching,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: talking through learning him his own right, getting better via
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: being a teacher of the game. And that's why we're
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: so excited to have Matt.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: The screenshots the success, that's awesome, that's credibility, that's reputation.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: You've been doing this for a while, being at other places.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: That's stochastic on other shows and whatnot. But you and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: I vibed right away when we did that interview over
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: at Mastermind. We chatted since then. We're planning on sort
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: of working something out anyway. So I'm glad we could
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: finally make it all work, and I think it's going
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: to be truly beneficial to the ship at Nation community.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: I know it is.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you, man, and excited for the future ahead. That's
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: gonna do it for this one, guys, for nads for Matt,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: and for myself totagging tambo led shipp it