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The Buffet with Chad and Scooch, Episode 25 - Featuring Paul Lo Duca, Geoff Schwartz, and Stuckey · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Coming to you from fabulous Las Vegas. The right side
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  Speaker 1: is the winning side. The late move is the correct move.
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  Speaker 1: Sports betting capital of the world. We all know when
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  Speaker 1: a sharp like me weighs in the lines move, it's
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  Speaker 1: a party for your ears. This is the Buffet with
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  Speaker 1: Chad and Scooch. I want to buy that guy at Buffet.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back the Buffet Podcast with Chad
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  Speaker 1: and Scooch from the Action Network and the good news
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  Speaker 1: is that Scooch is back this week and we have
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  Speaker 1: a loaded I already hear you laughing, Scooch, we have
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  Speaker 1: a we have a loaded show. Later on in the show. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Four time All Star catcher Paul Laduca new contributor to
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  Speaker 1: the Action Network. Nine year NFL that Jeff Schwartz also
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  Speaker 1: new contributor to the Action Network. They're coming on add
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  Speaker 1: stories this week talking about NFL win totals, Major League
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  Speaker 1: Baseball win totals. Um, we're gonna talk about what happens
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  Speaker 1: to athletes if gambling becomes legal and what they think
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  Speaker 1: of that, what the conversation is in the locker room. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Last week I was in Vegas. Mike Grunew, producer Extraordinary,
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  Speaker 1: was in Vegas. He went to a club. He made
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  Speaker 1: some very big mistakes. He's going to talk about that
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast. Scutcher I will run down the Sweet
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  Speaker 1: six team. But before we do any of that, Stucky
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  Speaker 1: is on the call and Stuck. He had a story
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  Speaker 1: that we posted yesterday that he's going to explain that
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  Speaker 1: leads to the most classic executive decision necessary uh, that
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  Speaker 1: we've ever had on the Buffet podcast. Stuck, you're there,
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  Speaker 1: take it away, brother. Tell us about the story, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, people are like people think it's an
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  Speaker 1: amazing story, or they think it's a it's a tragedy
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  Speaker 1: beyond epic proportions, and you're purporting a myth just to
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  Speaker 1: get page views. Tell us the story. Yeah, the I
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  Speaker 1: love those people that say it's fake. I mean, most
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  Speaker 1: of my followers have been following the story for years.
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  Speaker 1: I've been tweeting about it, like six seven years every
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  Speaker 1: time a sixteen seed played UM. But mainly those people
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  Speaker 1: are the ones that don't follow me and UM. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: the story goes like this. Back in college, I went
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  Speaker 1: to George Washington University in d C. Back in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand seven. In April, after the tournament, I went to
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  Speaker 1: the bar. We're just to meet a friend who's an
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  Speaker 1: avid gambler like myself. UM, so this isn't just like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I bet you this, um. And we started talking about
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  Speaker 1: sixteen seeds and we got an argument, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: I think a sixteen seed is gonna win sooner rather
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  Speaker 1: than later. He said, it's never gonna happen. The argument
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  Speaker 1: kept going back and forth, so I said, look, I'll
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  Speaker 1: bet you ten thousand dollars that a sixteen seed win
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  Speaker 1: by the year, and he said, you're on. Now. It
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  Speaker 1: might sound like an aggressive amount for college kids, but
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  Speaker 1: you gotta remember this is like a thirteen year bet.
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  Speaker 1: And we're also avid gamblers. We bet almost every day
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  Speaker 1: all through college. So you know, we kept in touch
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  Speaker 1: for a few years. And actually it was funny because
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  Speaker 1: some people are like, well, it's just a drunk bet. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we were drinking, but we talked about this all the
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  Speaker 1: time during March. So we graduated, we kept in touch
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  Speaker 1: about it. The first couple of years. Sixteen seats really
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  Speaker 1: never even come close, and then we really lost touch.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know his number anymore. I haven't talked
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  Speaker 1: to him in six seven years. I don't do the
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  Speaker 1: whole Facebook Instagram thing. I have no idea what he's
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  Speaker 1: up to. So we we really didn't talk about anymore,
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  Speaker 1: but it's something that I still followed, and coming into
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  Speaker 1: this year, I was, you know, I always got I
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  Speaker 1: still got excited. When the sixteen Verse one matchups were revealed.
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  Speaker 1: I said, Wow, Penn has an actual shot, and I
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  Speaker 1: thought this year, more than any it could happen. Well, Penn,
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  Speaker 1: you know, went up double digits but eventually collapsed. And
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  Speaker 1: then you know, the last sixteen one game was UNBC
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  Speaker 1: Virginia and it happened out of nowhere and it happened,
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  Speaker 1: and it was almost anti climatic in a way. So
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  Speaker 1: then I realized, oh, I want my bed. I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: but I kind of don't know what to do about it,
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  Speaker 1: because what I feel bad, Like how I haven't talked
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  Speaker 1: We've been talking six seven years. Like what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: Do you call him and say, hey, I know I
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  Speaker 1: haven't talked to in six seven years, but do you
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  Speaker 1: have that ten thousand dollars from that bet we made
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  Speaker 1: eleven years ago? Like that's a little messed up. Plus
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where he's at in life, Like I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I took. You know, he was a finance major like myself,
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  Speaker 1: and so if he's on like Wall Street killing it,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel bad. But you know, if he's struggling
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  Speaker 1: and he just had a kid, I would I would
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  Speaker 1: feel bad. So I don't even know how, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I still haven't even reached out or even tried to.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta. I think I'm just gonna reach out and
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  Speaker 1: be like, hey, I hope all as well, don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about it, and see what he does. Because ultimately, if
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  Speaker 1: I had a you know, if I could simulate in
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  Speaker 1: an a you know, parallel universe, if a sixteen seed
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  Speaker 1: never won and we got the and he reached out
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  Speaker 1: and said, you have that ten thousand, if I knew
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  Speaker 1: he would do that, then I would feel better about
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  Speaker 1: doing it. The other thing is that I if we
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  Speaker 1: actually kept in touch the whole time, I knew when
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  Speaker 1: the bet you know was going to end. This could
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  Speaker 1: have happened at any time, and it did, which makes
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  Speaker 1: me feel worse about it. So yeah, so that that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of the dilemma of the whole story. Um is,
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  Speaker 1: I won, But like I'm like, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to actually collect on this alright, So number one,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to say the guy's name, because there's
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  Speaker 1: a very good chance he follows you on Twitter, he
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  Speaker 1: listens to the podcast, he might be a subscriber to
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  Speaker 1: the Action Network and of Senior Story. Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to say his name because maybe he would reach out
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  Speaker 1: to you, maybe, like if you put it in. My
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  Speaker 1: mom is like very big into karma, right, She's very
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  Speaker 1: big into If you say something out loud, then you
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  Speaker 1: have let the universe know of your intentions and something
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  Speaker 1: may happen. Like my parents are divorced, and my mom,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe she's ready to date even though they
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  Speaker 1: got divorced years ago. So she's like this year she said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to date. I'm going to tell the universe
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to date. And uh, you know, she's hoping that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, someone might call her even though she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: actually meet anybody. That's the kind of thing that I'm
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  Speaker 1: living with. So maybe you want to say, hey, his
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  Speaker 1: name and maybe he'll get reach out to you. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I don't I would rather not give out
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  Speaker 1: as impo, but he would know who I am. He
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  Speaker 1: knows that I'm stucky, and if he read the story.
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  Speaker 1: He would I mean he clearly knew. He would clearly know. Um,
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  Speaker 1: his first name is Brian, I will say that. But
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  Speaker 1: the he would know, and he knows who I am
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I don't think back when I first
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  Speaker 1: started Twitter, I know he didn't have a Twitter. Um
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  Speaker 1: so if he does have a Twitter, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about it. But he would know as soon as he
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  Speaker 1: saw this story. So yeah, I mean, there's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things at plays and it wasn't just a like
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  Speaker 1: I get when people say it was a one off thing.
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  Speaker 1: You just said it and then you're supposed to. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're in a bar with your buddy and you
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  Speaker 1: say this team is never gonna win the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: I bet you have a hundred thousand dollars, and then
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  Speaker 1: you bet it and then but that's that's it. That
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  Speaker 1: if it happens twenty years later, you don't do anything
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  Speaker 1: about it. But this is something that we would, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of you rip each other about. You know, for
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  Speaker 1: the first couple of marches after the bets, it was
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  Speaker 1: it was a known carryover effect. Scooch, what do you think, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a question for Stucky. Let's let's here's a hypothetical.
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  Speaker 1: It's two thousand twenty, the tournament just ended, no sixteen
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  Speaker 1: seeds upset at any number one seeds. Would you be
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  Speaker 1: trying to reach out to find out where he's at
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  Speaker 1: to give him the ten thousand dollars? No, but I know, um,
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  Speaker 1: but I would you know I wouldn't actively go find it.
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  Speaker 1: If he did reach out to me, Yes, I would
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  Speaker 1: be prepared to pay him and would gladly pay um.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the that's the dilemma. Is he waited waiting
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  Speaker 1: for me? Is he does? He has he forgotten about it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he would have, but um, I would probably.
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  Speaker 1: I don't expect him to actively reach out to me,
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  Speaker 1: right It's it's a matter of like do I reach
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  Speaker 1: out to him? And how do I go about doing it?
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  Speaker 1: And I don't want to like I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hurt my old friend like thous. I don't know the
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  Speaker 1: situation right now. My personally, this is my take on it,
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  Speaker 1: is you try to reach out, try to find him,
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  Speaker 1: because it's it's an interesting bet. And I think even
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  Speaker 1: from from everyone's perspective, I mean, you gotta at least
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  Speaker 1: try to reach out to him, just to acknowledge the
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  Speaker 1: fact that, hey, I won this bet, even if there's
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  Speaker 1: no money exchange, Hey I won this bet. So I
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  Speaker 1: think you try to find him, but I think you
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  Speaker 1: treated like a collection agency would to where Okay, you
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  Speaker 1: know you're probably not going to get the full balance
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  Speaker 1: of what's owed, but you know, just acknowledge that the
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  Speaker 1: bet was lost and maybe he offers something up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a really good point, because that's was
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  Speaker 1: pretty much what I have to think about the best
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  Speaker 1: way to actually like reach out and find him. But
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking I would if I did end up
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  Speaker 1: talking with him, you know. And I actually was a
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  Speaker 1: bookie for a very small period of time in college,
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  Speaker 1: and I was the worst book he ever because when
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  Speaker 1: someone owed me a lot of money, I would be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: just give me this or you don't have to pay
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  Speaker 1: so um. So I was literally the only BOOKI they
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  Speaker 1: probably ever lost money. But I would probably end up
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  Speaker 1: just saying like, dude, just give me, you know, give
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  Speaker 1: me five hours and what we'll meet up and buy
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  Speaker 1: me a drink or something. Yeah. So yeah, that's bullshit. Man.
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  Speaker 1: You get your you get your ten fucking grand, and
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  Speaker 1: you invest that in Facebook by low Baby go ht
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  Speaker 1: that stock. Well. One of the reasons why I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: waiting is I'm trying to find out, um about like
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  Speaker 1: what he's doing first, Like, so I reached out to
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  Speaker 1: a couple of friends because, like I said, if he's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, running a hedge fund and he spends ten
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars on you know, a dinner at night in Manhattan,
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  Speaker 1: then I don't care. Then I'll send him an email
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  Speaker 1: at his company addressed and be like, you haven't sent that.
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  Speaker 1: But he's just a regular working man. It's a little
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  Speaker 1: more sensitive than you know, if you just had a
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  Speaker 1: kid two months ago, I would feel a little bad
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  Speaker 1: about it. I'm not like going to make my old
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  Speaker 1: friend set up like payment plan, a payment plan to
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  Speaker 1: pay me over time. Um. So yeah, I see both
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  Speaker 1: sides of the coin. I feel like he Honestly, this
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  Speaker 1: is about code, man. I mean, this goes to the
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  Speaker 1: core of what we talked about on this podcast all
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  Speaker 1: the time. Is like, there are a lot of good
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  Speaker 1: vegas codes, and there are a lot of bad vegas codes.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the good vegas codes is regardless of
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  Speaker 1: the scenario, regardless of how long it's been since you
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  Speaker 1: spoke to somebody. You and a person who make it
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  Speaker 1: be are two people that know the truth. And it
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  Speaker 1: is your responsibility when you've lost that bet to reach
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  Speaker 1: out and pay the person. It should not have to
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  Speaker 1: be the person winning tracking you down and trying to
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  Speaker 1: find out your life circumstances and trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: if it's something that they're going to be comfortable taking
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  Speaker 1: your money like it is this guy's responsibility to man up,
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  Speaker 1: call you up and say, I know we had this bet.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so psyched you one. I'm going to write you
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  Speaker 1: a check for ten K or I know we had
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  Speaker 1: this bet. I'm so psyched you one. I can't pay you.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize. I always thought it wasn't good fun anyways.
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  Speaker 1: But um, I think he owes you the explanation. I
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  Speaker 1: think he owes it to you. That's what I think.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a nice it's a I love that code.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I better day. If you lose
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  Speaker 1: a bet, you pay. If you winn a bet, you
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  Speaker 1: should get paid. But the problem is, I mean that
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't get followed by almost I mean by a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people. There's a reason why, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you talk too many books. They're always chasing people down.
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  Speaker 1: People are you know, running on their balances, especially people
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  Speaker 1: that bet on credit, which is one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that's throwing and betting on credit. So a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people don't follow that. But I agree with you that
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  Speaker 1: if that was followed by every person, that's look like
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  Speaker 1: the noble side of of gambling. And you know, some
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  Speaker 1: people like myself do follow it like yow you money,
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  Speaker 1: I'll find a way and I'm paying you, um no
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  Speaker 1: matter what. But you know it's not that's not as
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  Speaker 1: close to the heart for everyone is it is to
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  Speaker 1: you and myself? You know what, you know what, you
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  Speaker 1: know what. I think it's funny. I picture since two
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  Speaker 1: thousand seven, I picture this guy, Brian popping the bottle
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  Speaker 1: of champagne every time the number one seed beats the
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  Speaker 1: sixteen seed, like the seventy two Miami Dolphins, and then
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  Speaker 1: and then this year when it when it happened, he's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh ship, I gotta go into hiding. Yeah. See so
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  Speaker 1: like but the other side of the court is that
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  Speaker 1: if he became uber successful and he's making millions any
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  Speaker 1: probably for he really did, probably forget it out. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't care, right so then Yeah, it's either it's either
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  Speaker 1: one said then I then I wouldn't feel bad at that,
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  Speaker 1: or yes, he was popping the champagne every year and
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  Speaker 1: then he's like ready for Virginia UNBC for another year.
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  Speaker 1: One left, and then he says, oh man, and then
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  Speaker 1: he goes into hiding. There's either what I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: it's either one of those two extremes. There's no way
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  Speaker 1: he's ever forgotten this bet. There's just no way. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter how many millions. Brian, who majored in finance
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  Speaker 1: at g W and graduated in the late two in
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  Speaker 1: the later latter part of the first decade of two
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  Speaker 1: thousand's if you're listening, um, there's no way he's forgotten
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  Speaker 1: this bet. Absolutely no way. It is a it is
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  Speaker 1: a remember for the rest of your life. Tell this
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  Speaker 1: story moment. He thinks about it every March, if not
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  Speaker 1: every day. Yeah, no, I I agree with that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've been pretty drunk, oh certain times in
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  Speaker 1: my life, but I think I've been pretty drunk. I
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  Speaker 1: would always remember a ten thousand dollar bet. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care how drunk I was. Yeah, No, this was this
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  Speaker 1: was clear. Everyone was cognizant. We weren't like drunk, we
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  Speaker 1: were drinking trending towards drunk. And you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: talked about after the fact, So like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: if it was a drunk bet that was never talked
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  Speaker 1: about again, then you know, that's just you just chalked
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  Speaker 1: that out the drunk. You can't be like, hey, remember
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  Speaker 1: ten years ago you said this at the bar, Well
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  Speaker 1: you got to pay me now, I mean, this was
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  Speaker 1: something that was carried over. He he's talk me about
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  Speaker 1: what he was going to spend the ten thousand on.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think in the article I wrote about how
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  Speaker 1: in the first three tournaments, not one single sixteens he
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  Speaker 1: came within fourteen points, the average margin of victor was
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  Speaker 1: like thirty. I was like, oh man, And so he's
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  Speaker 1: he used to always I'm like, did I make the
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  Speaker 1: wrong beat? And he used to always say, um, you
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  Speaker 1: know I'm gonna buy this. I'm gonna do this with
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  Speaker 1: your money, so just like you know, kind of ripping me.
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  Speaker 1: So it was definitely recognized and uh, it wasn't just
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  Speaker 1: like a one time, one off comment. Wow, well here's
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  Speaker 1: the problem, Like, scoot, you're gonna say something no, no,
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  Speaker 1: here's the here's here's my dilemma. Is Uh, I like
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  Speaker 1: resolution in my narratives, and so as much as I
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  Speaker 1: would like to have Brian, who graduated with a degree
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  Speaker 1: in finance from g W sometime in two thousand seven
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  Speaker 1: two eight, um live by the code and just reach
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  Speaker 1: out to you, which he hasn't done in the five
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  Speaker 1: days since uh U NBC beat Virginia, I think you
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  Speaker 1: need to find a way to get him so we
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  Speaker 1: could have a follow up to the story. Like and
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  Speaker 1: I think I think your path is probably the best one.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you find an email for him and you're
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  Speaker 1: just like, dude, can you believe you NBC beat Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that bet we had for ten k we made
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  Speaker 1: it that bar we need to talk about totally, No, totally,
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  Speaker 1: do not need to pay me. I just thought it
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  Speaker 1: was a good opportunity to uh reconnect, hope things are
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  Speaker 1: going well, and that's it. And let's then then you
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  Speaker 1: have made the contact. It is on him to say, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I totally owe you the money and uh,
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  Speaker 1: if he's able and he lives by the covide, he'll
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  Speaker 1: deal with it. That's what I think you should do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, I guess that's I'm gonna I'm just
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  Speaker 1: figuring out the best. Well, first I gotta figure out how,
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  Speaker 1: and then uh yeah, I'm just gonna be like assault hey,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of in a joking way, like remember
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: this bat, how I just get I just gave it
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to you. I gave you the line. I just gave
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: you the exact line. It's it's about the connection you're
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: reconnecting with Brian. It's not about the bet you defunct,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the bet you said. I just thought it was a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: good opportunity to reconnect. Hope, life is good. Let's catch
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: up sometime. That's it. That's on him. Yeah, I agree. Well,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: now how do we find his email? Um? Well, I'll
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: be able to get it. I know a couped people
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: that know him well, um that I reached out to. Alright, Stuck,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I need you to find his email. I need you
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: to email him, and then you need to write a
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: follow up story and then come back on the podcast
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: so we can get some resolution. All right, it sounds good.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: All right, go back to work. We got good luck?
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, take care scoog. Yeah, so what
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: would you do there? Yeah? I think the same thing.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, reach out to him. I would just want
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: acknowledgement of winning the wager more than whatever amount of
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: money is going to be collected, if any Uh So,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I would you know, go through friends of friends to
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: find out where where he is and finally get his
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: contact information, whether it's a number or an email, just
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: like you said, and see what he says, you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: feel him out. Speaking of acknowledgement, boy, did we have
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a good time in Vegas last week? Wow? Yeah, what
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: an experience that that was nutty? So uh first up, Uh,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it was me on Wednesday night last week in Vegas
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the Planned Games. We were invited to an event. I'm
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: not gonna sort of throw anyone under the bus here,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: but we were invited to an event, uh to speak
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: to about four or five people and um that they
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: originally just asked me to come, and I said, Hey,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: why don't I come with Scooch and we'll do like
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a live podcast about it. They're like, great, we'll set
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you up, we'll get you a table, you know, we'll
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: have the audience ready, all this kind of stuff. Grannell,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Mike Grannelle, the producer, came out. We took a picture
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: together that was fantastic. We had a couple other people
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: come out from the crew, and we were making a
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: whole sort of weekend of it, right, so uh, a
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: couple of things went wrong. Uh. Number one, as a
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: um giveaway for all the people there, we spent Uh
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: we bought future tickets on every team in the tournament,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and we were gonna give them away like in a
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: raffle form to get emails from people, like get sign
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: ups for the newsletter, etcetera, etcetera. So, uh, that's all good.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: We get there, Scooch, why don't you pick it up
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: from here and tell me your perspective on this? And
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: then Grenelle, actually, Grannell, why don't you pick it up
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and say when we walk in what happens? Well, we
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: walked in and we weren't given the table that we
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: The whole podcast situation was kind of um thrown away
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: because we weren't able to really record anything. There's there's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: no table for us, so um so we so we
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: improvised and you guys got up on stage and you guys, uh,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you know, did your your kind of a live Q
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and a chat interviewing Scooch while uh, a few of
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: us handed out free tickets because we had gotten um,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you know, we had placed five dollars four times on
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: every team in the tournament. So we were handing up
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: free tickets that uh, we're from a different book, and
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: they were not too happy with us, and they told
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: us to get the f out all right, So chat
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I got. I gotta just tell from from my perspectives
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: real quick. I mean, just I don't like being downtown
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: to begin with. This was you had me. You had
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: me go downtown and I was greeted. I swear, I
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: walk into this casino and I see a guy I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: haven't seen in twenty years when I used to probably
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: longer than that, almost thirty years, when I used to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: work down at the Fremont and he said, hey, I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: haven't seen you and forever we're yet And I said,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I'm at the Orleans now. He said, hey, you think
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: if I come down there, I can get like a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: free meal. I mean, this is how I'm greeted, as
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I wanted. I'm telling you. So we walk into this room,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: like you said, there's five people, we don't know where
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to go. The table's not ready, so they bring like
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Grenelle said, they bring us up on stage. You and me,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and they take us through the back where it's dark.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: We can't see now. The stage had an N I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: T game going on that they turned off the game
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: for us to go on stage, and then we get
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: up there and we're already here like boom because they
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: turned the game off. Then you ask, hey, is does
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: anyone have any questions? And there's crickets, nobody has a question.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I felt. I felt like a bad vaudeville team going
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: on between the strippers, like where people who are just
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: looking for hey, who are you guys again? And it's dark,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: we're trying to look at the sheet with the flashlight
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: from an iPhone. I mean, this was something else. So
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: then you know, we did mention. I tried not to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: mention what book I was from, but I think eventually
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: it came up in conversation and they were none to
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: have be that I was from a competing sports book.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Well you've got it all right. We got up on
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that stage, which was dark because they didn't have any
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: lights because it was meant to broadcast a basketball game,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: so you wanted a sort of as dark as possible.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Um So I honestly thought we were going to have
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: have beer bottles thrown at us, like we were in
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a bad basement comedy club working out our routine for
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: like drunks who had hatred and like had no interest
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in seeing us at all, except I do recall, like,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, we're going out there, and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: like we had one mic that we had to share,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: like you said, it was dark, and so we want
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to talk about the brackets. But the only thank god
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: you brought like a printed copy of a bracket. We
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: had to use your phone flashlight to look at the brackets.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And I if, I don't know that anyone listened to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: us except a couple of times. A couple of times
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you said like Arizona, and there were Arizona fans who
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: started at one time. One time I said, I said
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the name Scooch, and people were like Scooch. So so
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: we were there were some people listening, but like, I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: don't think it ever. I don't think the volume level
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: in that place ever got beneath like a seven. I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone was listening to us. The only good
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: thing was happening was Grinnelle, and um, this was funny.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: So like when it was clear that nothing like we
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: we were going to periscope this thing. We were gonna
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: do a live podcast. Um, when it was clear that
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: none of this was going to be possible, I said
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to Grinnell and the other guys, I'm like, Okay, our
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: only goal right now is give away the future tickets
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and collect emails to like add to our subscriber database
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and things like that. And so, uh, I'm like, guy
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: his hand to hand combat. Right now, you were going
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: table to table, person to person and just telling people
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: what we're doing and making these trades. And so before
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you knew it, Grenell, God love him. The guy is
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Fearless had a line of like fifty people in front
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of the stage. So we're on the stage like talking
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and Grenelle has a line of people just handing out
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: future stickets and uh, that's when he said to me, Yeah,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get kicked out of here. While we were
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you were talking, he asked me to come over. He
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: whispered to me, We're going to get kicked out of here,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and that was basically the end of Oh man, that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: was fantastic. Yeah, I was kind of shocked because you
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the guy came up to me and was talking about
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the podcast and everything and he listens to the podcast.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I think he was from St. Louis and uh, and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you disappeared. So I'm like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: where'd you go? And then when you came back, you're like, dude,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: we just got kicked out of here. Yeah, we're done.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: The best was the best was this is so gorilla.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Later that night, Uh, Grinnell and another one of the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: guys had this bracket, a big bracket that we'd printed out,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and uh, they were walking around the MGM and I'm like,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: let's just make a video of like people filling out
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the bracket, fans filling out the bracket, and we'll do
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: something fun with it. Uh. Five minutes after they go
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to do it, Grinnell calls me and he's like, yeah,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: we just kicked out. We just got kicked out of
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the mg M two. No wait, yeah, they weren't happy
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: with us. Tell tell what happened. So we were we
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: were kind of so we're doing it out like right
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: in front of the sports book, which was probably wasn't
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: a smart idea, and it was this guy staring at
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: us like wherever we went for about fifteen to twenty minutes,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: like we'd we'd probably walk like, you know, twenty yards
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: thirty yards. He'd follow us kinda to see what we
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: were doing. So we we finally walked like completely away
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: from the sports book and we walked to the bar
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and the we we were doing it over by the bar,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and the bartender said, um, you're gonna get kicked out
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: if you do that, and um, you know, ten minutes later,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: security guard came over and basically told us that no
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: more of that. Uh So, those those were our adventures
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: in Vegas and all of it was grand, like, it
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: was so much fun. And we walked out of there
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: just we were you know, it was a fiasco, and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: we laughed about it and shrugged it off and moved
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: on to the next day. And uh, you know, the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: tournament has been amazing and really fun and great success
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: for the Action Network and so we're excited about it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: But I woke up I think early Saturday morning. Grenelle
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: left Friday night. I left, uh the sports book Friday
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: night with a buddy who came to visit, and we
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: went out to dinner and Grannelle and some other folks
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: were still at the book doing work and whatever. And
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: then uh, I guess Grunell went out after Grunel. Why
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: don't you tell us what had happened? Well, I, um,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you know, it was my first time in the beautiful
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: city of Las Vegas. So I decided I would, uh,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you know, go out and about see the town, check
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: it out. And uh I went to a club and
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you know, so uh in in Tiesto, uh world renowned
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: DJ happened to be playing at the club. I'm I'm
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a big fan of Tiesto. So I'm thinking, you know,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: why why don't I try and get into the v
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I P section and you know, maybe I'll meet Tisto.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of people. I could see a bunch
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: of people in the V I P section. So I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: go up to the big guy, one of the big
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: guys standing in uh in front of the V I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: P section. I started talking to him for a little
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: bit and I'm like, hey, you know, buddy, if I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: give you a hundred bucks, you know you think you
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: could let me in here. And he goes, yeah, absolutely,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: So I hand him a hundred bucks and he just
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: like like he didn't even know me, took the hundred
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: bucks and just walked away. And then I, uh, I
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that he was not a bouncer,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: he did not work there, and I just lost your books.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is classic. First, I gotta know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: like this was great. So we were at the sports
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: book basically forty eight hours on Thursday and Friday. Um.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: On Friday, Grenell was that the sports book. He left
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: came back in an entirely different outfit. I know, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: just had a sweatshirt on. It looked like I was
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: in a different outfit, but I put I just had
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: just had a sweatshirt on. Oh no. We were convinced,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: like Cornell, like, how many outfits did he bring to
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Vegas for forty eight hours? I brought a ton I'm
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a big, big outfit guy. I gotta look good. You
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: never know, you never know, you could meet your potential wife.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So who did you go to the public? Um? There's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys that I happened to know
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: in Vegas that happened to be there at the time.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: So I met up with one of them and we
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: just we walked over there. I actually saw him on
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the way back from the sports Book and uh, he
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: told me he left his crew, and I said, I
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I had left mine and I was going to go
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to bed, and he convinced me to go out with him.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And that was kind of that. God, I love that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: That is so good. All right, So Cornell lost a
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks. He didn't get to meet Tso and he
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: didn't get into the V I P Section, which is
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: such a bummer. Um but still, and we got kicked
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: out of two different casinos. Um, but a good time
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: was had by all. Great time. At the end of
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the day, we all had a blast. Scooch. We should
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: take a few minutes and run through the Sweet sixteen. Um. So, uh,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: why don't we do that. Let's look at Illinois, uh,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Illinois Chicago and Nevada, because Illinois Chicago is actually playing
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: in one of the lesser tournaments. So I've had a
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: lot of people get miss misunderstood about that. Thank thank
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you for correcting me. Uh yeah, so uh, you know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: don't forget we have a lot of Nevada loyalists here,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: even though we're down south and most of the Reno
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: bettors are up north. And I know, I talked to
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: some of my buddies that have casinos up in Reno
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and they got absolutely annihilated on that. Since the Nevada game. Uh,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: whereas down south here in Las Vegas, we actually needed
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Nevada to win that game. So uh, here we go again.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: We're probably a little heavier on Nevada, but that's probably
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: only because of the uh, the local affiliation here. The
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: bigger money's on Loyal Chicago, and the Lion actually came
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: down a little bit from Nevada open to two point favorite,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: we're down to one and a half now. Some of
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the sharper actions seems to be on Loyal in Chicago. Uh.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: And again I think it's just uh the fact that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: there's some the Nevada fans here that make the ticket
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: count a little higher on Nevada. Why do you think
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the wise guys are on Loyola? Is his sister Geane.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You know, they've been really high on this team, and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that was one of the things we actually talked about
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: in our brief time up on stage. There is one
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of the teams that could kind of be a bracketbuster,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and that uh in that bracket. Of course, it turned
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: out to be uh U NBC instead, but they're both
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: out of that same bracket and uh, A lot of
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: professionals have watched this team play all year, and we're
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: really high on them coming into the tournament. You know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: they get by on that that lass second shot against
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Miami to get them to the to the next round.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But uh, but then another upset against Tennessee and uh,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: here we are again. You know that it's basically a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: pick um game. And uh, looking at looking at this matchup,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I think that there's probably a little bit more value
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: on Loyal Chicago. So uh, I was at the west
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Gate at the Westgate sports Book on Thursday and Friday,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and uh, they do a phenomenal job. J Scooch. I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: know you're good friends with Jay, and the west Gate
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: does a phenomenal job with sort of their sports book,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and they have a huge arena. You know, they've got
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of people there. Um, and so they have
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: two different spots and so on Thursday morning, they were
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: having a little bit of trouble with their UH app
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and I bet a significant amount on Loyola Chicago UH
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to to win against Miami, and um, I pressed the
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: button and it said that like the app timed out
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and my bet wasn't made. So I did it again
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: instead it timed out, bet wasn't made. I did it
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: again and uh, so you know it still didn't it
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: timed out as the third time was happening. Uh. They
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: made an announcement that they were having some technical difficulties
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: with the app at that moment and they gotta fixed quickly. Um.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: But that if you were making bets, don't repeat the
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: bet because if it's timing out, your bet is actually
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: going in. I had three significant Betsola to win that game,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and I had to decide, like, am I gonna roll
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: with it? Am I going to try to get like
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: one of the bets in and get the other two refunded?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Like what am I gonna do? I was like, yeah,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm going for it. So uh when Loyola
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: won that game on that last second shot like that, honestly,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that made my weekend. I was like I was so
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: far ahead, um for the weekend because of I bet
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: that game three times. That is fantastic. I love it
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: right Yeah? Yeah, so there you go, good for good
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: for mistakes. Michigan is a two and a half point
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: favorite over Texas A and M Boy, that's a tough one.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: That Texas A and ND team. They looked just phenomenal. Yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: they really did. Um. Uh we I'm actually surprised at
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: this one. We opened, Uh. We opened Michigan a three
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: point favorite. Michigan has drawn so much action in every
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: single game. Uh, but they've actually been pretty good to
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: us because uh uh they didn't cover the first game
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: against Montana, and then I think one of the most
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: exciting times of the entire tournament was that buzzer beater
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: against Houston that actually cost us a ton of money
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: because we needed Houston on the money line and with
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Michigan uh down a couple of points at three pointer
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: to to win the game was just a dagger. But
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Michigan again has just been drawn a ton of action,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and now they flip flopped and like you said, they
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: saw a Texas A and M team that that looked fantastic,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: so they've kind of gone the other way. We're a
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: little bit heavier in ticke account on Texas A and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: M and on the money, So this will be the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: first game so far that we actually need Michigan. Are
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the wise guys done? Texas and ever? Is like everybody,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: every everybody's on Texas A and M, the wise guys
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and the public, so uh, I could actually see this
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: line going down. We've already adjusted the money line down
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: from a dollar fifty down to a minus of dollar
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: forty on Michigan. So uh, they're grabbing Texas A and
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: M on the money line here. Um, I don't think
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: anyone's at two yet, but I can see a lot
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: of small bets coming in, four bets coming in on
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Texas A and M even as we speak, So um,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I could easily see this line going down to two.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: All right, everybody's darling. Now Kentucky is a five and
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a half point favorite over Kansas State. Yeah, yeah, uh
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: so this might be of the Thursday games. It's the biggest,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: uh in terms of ticket account there's more bets on Kentucky,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: uh than any of the eight teams there. That uh,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: just all public money on Kentucky. But we do have
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: some sharp money on KSE State, and we opened this
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: game six and a half, So some of that early
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: money on KSE State from the sharp guys was just
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: really grabbing a value number because there were some five
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and a half and we were out there at six
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: plus six and a half, so they grab plus six
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and a half, They grabbed a little bit of plus six.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of places around town that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: still have five and a half, But again we're looking
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: at that ticket count and if it's this heavy now,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: then by tip off time tomorrow, this is gonna be
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: our biggest game of the day. And you know, with
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: our properties, you know, we have a lot of properties
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in town and there are a lot of locals properties.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Most of our bets on the sweet sixth team will
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: come in like a couple hours before the game, so
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: our our action hasn't even come in yet. And we
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: know it's gonna be on Kentucky. So even though everyone's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: at five and a half now, I could see a
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: lot of places in Vegas closing at six. How about
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Gonzaga Florida State. Gonzaga is going to the Final four.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I had them going to final four. The rest of
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the rest of my bracket has blown because I had
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: since the in Michigan State in the finals and since
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: they're winning, but Kanza is going to the final four. Man, Yeah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: you know, outside of that one little spell when they
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: let Ohio State back in the game after opening up
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a fifteen to nothing run to open the game. Uh,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: they they had a little hiccup, but they recovered quickly
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and then one that game and covered easily against Ohio State.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: This team, a lot of people had them going pretty
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: deep into the turn tournament. And uh, they have such
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a huge following out here on the West Coast, you know,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: especially here. We're here at the Orleans and we have
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the West Coast Conference Tournament here every year. So even
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: if you were in a Gonzaga fan five years ago,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: you became one now because you've watched them for so
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: many years here coming to Vegas and playing in this tournament.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So there's a huge following for Gonzaga. You could just
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: hear the sports books every time, you know, they sink
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: a three. Uh, no matter who they're playing, they just
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: have just such a such a fan base and they
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: travel really well. So I would expect to hear a
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: lot of Gonzaga fans, you know, even at the game.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: So uh, we're at minus five and a half. Um,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I could see the line going up to six. That
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: ticket accounts pretty heavy. It's uh, not as heavy as Kentucky,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: but it's probably the second most beat team of those
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Thursday Slate is the wise Guy money on the other side.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Haven't gotten any wise Guy money on this game at all,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: So UM, I'm not sure if they if they're just
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: wait to get a better number. Uh, doesn't seem like
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: they were really high on Florida State even in their
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: previous games. Didn't get a whole lot of money on
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: on Florida State in the previous games, especially compared to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: some of these other teams that made it to the
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Sweet six. Team, Uh, really just one of the teams
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that are kind of like, oh, they're there too, so
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: it's not a whole lot of action on them. What
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: about Ku? Like Ku was one of those teams nobody
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: really was one of those number one sees that people
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: are not high on. Yeah, they've got a easier path
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: there a four and a half and they played Clemson,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: um not so easy, Like they still have to face
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Duke if they move on. But what do you think
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: of that game? Well, like you said, Kansas is one
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: of those teams that's you know, parentna, parentna. I can't
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: say that word, but everything that's the word. Yeah, my
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: my mouth doesn't working today. Every year that they're either
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: number one or number two seed, people feel like they're
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: gonna go down, that they're they're not that they they
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: never really cover the spreads, but unless they're laying a
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: short number, so it's it's odd that's Kansas is laying
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a big number. Uh, they bet the dog, and if
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: they're laying a short number, they kind of lay the favorite.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: So in this one, the public is on Kansas. We're
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: at minus four and a half. The sharp guys are
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: are on Clemson though, so we got some some bigger
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: money on Clemson taking the plus four and a half.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: All the public money is on is on Kansas at
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: minus the four and a half. And I gotta tell
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: you this was, if I had to pick one single
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: biggest moment for the sports book in the tournament, it
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: was when Kansas was up eighty three to seventy eight.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I think it was or seven, Oh, no, seventy six.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Eighty three is seventy six against Seaton Hall and they
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: were laying, uh four and a half against Seaton Hall.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if you remember, with no time
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: left on the clock, a seemingly meaning meaningless three pointer
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: from Seaton Hall that made the final score eighty three
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: to seventy nine Kansas did not cover by the hook
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: was our biggest moment in the entire tournament. I mean
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that that day, if you remember Villanova had one. By
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: twenty Duke had won. By twenty Gonzaga was up big
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: on Ohio State, Kentucky had already covered. All the favorites
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: were just absolutely rolling. And if Kansas had covered that
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: game against Seton Hall, we would have gotten absolutely annihilated.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if that many people realize how
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: big that three pointer or at the end of the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: game was, but that saved our day. Well, we wrote
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: about it at the Action Network, uh, because we have
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: this column about bad beat on Monday, and so I
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: got about it quite a bit. I gotta read that
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: thing totally check out. Speaking of uh, don't forget that
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: after Scooch is gone. Uh. From this podcast, we have
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Paul la duca former All Star catcher Major League Baseball
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: who's writing for the Action Network in Jeff Schwara's tenure
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: NFL VET also writing for the Action Network. They're gonna
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: come on and talk about their latest stories. MLB season
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: win totals, NFL season win totals, um that are all
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: changing a little bit because of free agents. Scoots. Let's
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: talk about Nova, the prohibited favorite in West Virginia. I
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: like this game Nova a five and a half with
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the favorite everyone likes Nova, and there's another team that
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: just kind of keeps just rolling along. I mean, uh
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: they are just kind of covering easily now, so they
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: seem like, uh, you know, the most legit number one team.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: So uh uh all it's just all one sided on
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: this one, both from the public side and the and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the wise guy side. Um, I boy, you know what,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: we might have a line change just right right now
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: as we're at five and a half, but we're really
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: close to going to six, and I think I'm gonna
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: go to six. Mind change, mind change, you know, are
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: you ready? Yeah? So we opened five on the game,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: we went to five and a half and now we're
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: at and now we're at six. So just all completely
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: one sided. Uh boy, we're just gonna be big West
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Virginia fans on on Friday. I don't even know if
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Grinella was listening. He's like he's got a head at
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Tiesto right now. Hud Bucks back, uh Duke, big, big
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: favorites over Syracuse. I know the wise guys are going
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to come in on Syracuse in this game, absolutely, you know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and I've heard it throughout just kind of milling around
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: with all the people in the sports book that they
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: love Syracuse in the role of a big underdog. It
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: seems no matter how mediocre the team is, once they
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: get into the tournament, uh, they just turn it up
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a notch and especially getting a lot of points. I
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: expect this to be a lot closer uh than a
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: lot of people think. The wise guys have already come
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: in on it. And to be honest with you, the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: public is actually favoring Syracuse to the ticket account is
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: not favoring Duke in this one. The ticket account is
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: actually about a three to two favorite on on Syracuse.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: So I think the public feels the same way that
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you do that it's just a little too many points
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: for a Sweet Sixteen game. Alright, last game of the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Sweet Sixteen, Perdue is a one and a half point
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: favorite over text a Tech. He had not a whole
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: lot of action on this. You know a lot of
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: people just they were really high on Perdue, but obviously
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: after after the injury, the Hasta, they've kind of backed
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: away a little bit. They're just not quite certain about them.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: It's basically a pick um game. We opened Perdue minus
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: one and a half. We have no movement on it whatsoever.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Ticket account slightly heavier on Perdue, but just out of
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: all the games on the board, I think we have
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the least action overall on this one than of anyone.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: So um, we'll see if the wise guys come in
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: on it, but they haven't so far. All right, Here's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: who I have coming out of the since we won't
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: talk again until the final four. Here's why I have
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: coming out of these brackets. I have Kentucky, I have Gonzaga,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I have Nova, and I have Duke. I have to
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: agree with that. Of all the teams left, I agree.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: There you go. See what do the Yeah, yeah, I
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: know it's an anticlimactic that we're not on opposite size,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: but I'm with you, all right, it scooge. Listen, there's
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: nobody kicking us off of this podcast. So, uh, thanks
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: for joining me today. No, thank you. It's good seeing you. Good.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Good meeting Grannelle face to face the first time we
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: got a chance to actually meet, so it was the pleasure.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Same here. We'll see you next time you're out of course. Alright,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: fright bye, Alright, it's time for the second half of
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the buffet. I'm calling this segment pro athletes who gamble,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: uh and with me? Are Paul la duca former All
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Star Major League Baseball catcher UH contributor to the Action
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Network whose first story went up on Wednesday or late
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Tuesday night looking at MLB season win totals. UH. Jeff Schwartz,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: veteran NFL lineman, also contributor to the Action Network, whose
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: stories UH first two stories went up in the past week,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: looking at NFL wind totals. Paul, Jeff, thank, I appreciate it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: What are you away lasting already? What is? Because I
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: just have I already know me and Jeff already just
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the same personality, and it's going to be a rip fest,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna it's gonna love every part of it.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Except I grew up with Giants fan. Is that okay
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: with you? No, that's all right. I mean, here's the deal.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I am a Jets fan, but like mini Jets fan.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I actually was a kid that was born in Brooklyn
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and grew up in Arizona. So I actually I am
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: a Cardinals fans. So don't kill me for that. No,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I actually mean a Sancisco Giants baseball fan. Okay, then
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I don't like you. I'm not. I don't root for
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: any football team really besides the Cheese because my brother
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: plays for them and I played for so many. But
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: now I make sense as a Giants fan, like hard
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: you make a good point, you know, as a professional athlete,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, do I root for the Mets. Yeah,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: They're my childhood team, I grew up with. I got
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: a dream to play with them, play for them. The Dodgers,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I do dream foundation stuff. But like, I'm not a
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: big I'm not really a big health fan as somebody
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: when you it's really hard to go back and watch
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: and still to this day, I haven't gone back and
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: watch the nine any game. It's just like I have
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: nothing personal. It's just like I sat through a hundred
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and eighty million national ranthems and all that stuff. I
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: don't need to do it anymore. You know, it's interesting,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: you guys, go ahead, keep talking. You don't need me
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: keep going. No, it makes told. I've been to one
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: for football game since I retired two years ago. It
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: was my brother's game, and I have zero desire to
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: go back to any other any other games. You know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Jeff's right, Like you know, many people hit us. I'm
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: sure Jake gets the same things like I have clubhouse
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: guys that I can get tickets for, and then people
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: invite me to games this and that, and they take
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: it personal, and I'm like, bro, it's just like it's
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: it's in an ego check or not. I don't know, Jeff.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe it is for you, but I'm like, the game
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: does get easier. I'll be arnest with you on that one.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: But I don't want to be sitting in the seventi
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: eight throw. I used to sit right there, I be
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: on home plate, and then to me, it's just it
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: does nothing for me. I rather up on a chair.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Plus on Sundays, I have to work. I have to
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: watch all the games on Sundays. They can't just spend
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: my day at entire stadium. So it's not worth it
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: for me to go to football games anymore. Yeah. I
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: never thought of it that way. I never thought of
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: it that way. God, that's so interesting that both of you,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: who played so many games and so many years and
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: spent so much time thinking about getting to the professional
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: level of your sports. Uh, you leave the game and
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: have no interest in attending a game. The To me,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: there's nothing more exciting than as a fan. And also
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: now you know I've been a sports writer and in
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: the sports media business for a long time and going
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to a lot of games. Um, it still feels amazing
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: to walk into a stadium and like come through a
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: tunnel and look at the open expanse of a field.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. I gotta get a rush from that every
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: single time I enjoy I enjoy well, okay, wherever whoever
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: being better than that. But I enjoyed going to baseball
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Like I go to baseball games, and I enjoyed that
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: feeling of walking the ballpark and seeing the park. I'm
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: still that excitement doing that or going to the basketball game.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: But like when I watched the football game, I was
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that with my brother. Um, it's a little weird at
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: first to be on the field. I was gonna feel
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: for warm ups. It's a little weird, um, And then
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of anxious. Like my wife
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: could tell. It was kind of a little like off
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: for a little bit, um, And then I settled in
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: during the game a little bit more. Um. It just
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: was an odd feeling. I just I was like, I'm
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: sitting in the crowd knowing that I played the game,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and I just to havevy design to really be there
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: besides the root for my brother. I it's like taking
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: my words out of the mouth, like you almost want
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: somebody you can root for, you know what. Jeff having
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: as brother is a good thing. You know, he can
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: at least go to the stadium. But I'm with him
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: whenever I go out on the field and do stuff
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: for the Mets and then the regular players come out,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: it's a it's an awkward feeling, it really is. He's right,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's like, uh, I never waited in line
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and a nightclub when I played. I never did that.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: The regular parking Jeff knows, I used the parking the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: players parking line. I ain't parking in a mile the way.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we got that's the bottom line. That is
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: the bottom line. And listen, Louver is gonna drop me
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: off at Gate A and my tickets are sitting there
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm sitting in the fleet. I'm sorry. I'm being
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: honest with you because the thing about it is is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: like and like Jeff said, it's an awkward feeling, and
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: he's right, you know, I love Actually I was never
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: a big basketball fan when I grew up, but like
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I love going to watch basketball live, and then I
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: end up really loving the hockey live. And I'm not
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a guyant hockey fan, but to watch both of the
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: sports live were different for me. But when I walk
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: into a major league stag um um, it's like, Okay,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I've been there, done that, you know, and I put
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: it this way. I know, oh, Canada probably better than
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: our national anthem. I heard it so many times that
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: is awesome. All right, let me let me get to
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: the point at hand here, because, uh, Jeff, you've been
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: on the podcast before and you did the Super Bowl
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: show with us um. But as for an introduction, I
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: feel like briefly people need to know about both of
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: your interests and experiences with betting. So Jeff, you start
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: just sort of talk a little bit about how you
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: came to be interested in gambling and how that's you
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: know that and that's why you're with the Action Network
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, So, you know, I've always kind of
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: had you know, I know that my grandfather, who passed
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: away before I was born, was betting horses every day,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and so I kind of let me have that little
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: one of me and I'm a horse betting fan. But
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: um knew you on Twitter. A lot of my friends
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: who cover sports, uh gamble, and they might not say
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: it publicly, but I know they do. And as soon
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: as I retired, I was like, you know what, I'm
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: gonna do this, And so I basically knew the last
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: year was twenty sixteen September October November, and I knew
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: no one was I was getting called I was done.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: So I retired, started gambling a little bit um that December,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: and then really hit it hard for the college football
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: playoffs and and the regular season, I mean the NFL
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: playoffs as well. It was a lot of fun. And
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: then I don't do too much other sports, you know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: anti double A tournaments going on now, but I really
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. Adds some excitement. You're you know, you watch
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: games sometimes that you never really watched because you got
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: a couple of bucks on it. Um. You know, I
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: don't gamble to support an income. Is do it for fun, um.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And it just gives me another way to look at
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: at at sports. Um. You know, using different ways to
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: think about the game. And you know, sometimes and I
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: talked about this, you know, the way I perceive a
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: game is often quite opposite with the way Vegas perceives
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a game. So it's quite fascinating to as I bet
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: typically how I want to bet, and not really what
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Vegas or Vegas just says I should bet. And so
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: it's always weird for me when I'm like, I know
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: this is supposed to happen, but again, and Vegas was
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: right again and and so I have this weird dilemma
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: that should I stick with what I think I know
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: or so I trust Vegas. Well, I think the answer
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: is always trust Vegas. I know. But but but but
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: my job is to talk about the NFL, so I
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: think I know what I'm talking about. So when I
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: you know, and it really kills me in prop betting
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: because I've lost many props by a yard or two. Um,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: when I think that I know how a team is
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: gonna game plan someone, and it's so upsetting, like despite
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: my comparite a yard, like oh just get one more yard,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: come on, and that's where it kills him or anything else.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: But I found some fun way to take advantage of
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I haven't played before, so it's a ton of fun.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I love it. Um. Maybe I'll get into more other
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: other sports as we keep going. But it was a
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: rough year for football, but I still had fun doing it. Laduca,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like you have so much you could teach
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: this guy. Well we have. We have a little bit
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: of the same background. Although my father was the one
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: that took me to the race back. I mean, I
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: was a kid that was, um, you know line to
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: my mother where I was cutting class and act. You know,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I was always a math wizard
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: in a minor and a math major, and in numbers
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: fascinated me and I always I cut my teeth actually
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: on dog racing, which was crazy because to me it
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: was it was always you know, process of elimination or
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Then it turned into horse racing. Horse
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: racing was always my passion. But you know, you end
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: up realizing at a certain age, Um, my father is
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: running this business or that business, and he's really running
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: one business. So you know when I wrote in my
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: article this morning is true back in the day. You know,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I'm forty five now, but back in the day, I
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: used to read the lines and on a separate line, um,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: you know the Patriots plus this or you know the
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the the USC plus that was on the other line.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: You'd call that line and then you'd call my father. Now,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: my father had like local guys. He wasn't a big guy,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: ten twenty guys and um, I really didn't pay attention
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: until he through the the the the uh the UH
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: TV out the window one day and I'll never forget
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: to be uh. And this is a beat that I
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: don't know a lot of probably people will go back to.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: But it was Arizona State against USC, and Arizona State
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: was getting I want to say nine nine and a half.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I might be wrong on this, and it went into overtime.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: USC scored and then the first play from Arizona State
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: they threw a pick six and it was a cover
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: over the number in overtime, which probably happened maybe once
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: or twice. And when the TV went outside the front
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: of the house, I started to realize what my father
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: was doing for a living, so, you know, and then
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: you know, when I signed my professional contract, he stopped.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: You had to. You know a lot of people have
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: already hit me up. Did you ever bet on baseball?
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: You bet on? No, I haven't. And the crazy part
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: about it is MLB actually investigated me because I owned
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: a ton of horses, but I had never bet on
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: baseball because It was the one thing that was the
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: first thing you ever saw whenever you went into a
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: clubhouse in my idol was Pete Rose. And the thing
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: was I mowed. I don't know how many lawns to
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: get that Pete Rose rookie. I put it on layaway
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: for seven months, and I was crushed when I found out.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: And here I am a gambler. And I always saw
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: myself listen, and then my dad looked at me straight
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: in the eyes, and listen, there's way and there's a
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: lot of other things to gamble on. Just stay away
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: from this sport. So I've always you you always want
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: to dabble in it because I have the advantage. I
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: always have the advantage. But I always been able to
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: stay away from it. And I just hope that my advice,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: like Jeff says, there's little things are here and there
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: that the public just does not get. Um that that
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Jeff and I can give to them. And I know
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: this football season, Jeff, Jeff got a way harder job
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: than me. The NFL isn't possible. I don't even know
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: how you play that anyway, because I try to play
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and I get crushed every year. A lot of people
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: that I've talked to really love to play baseball, and
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I'm really interested um to get involved and really interested
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: to give my opinion because I really there I can help.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: So that was a great segue because you did a
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: story today about MLB season win totals, and explain a
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: little bit about what you looked at, because one thing
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: you did was talk about how you can't stand saber
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: metrics and that your ability to analyze the game comes
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: from having played the game and understanding players, which from
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: a betting perspective, savor metrics is just becoming more and
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: more important. Metrics generally are becoming more and more important
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: and even in the game out for people who want
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: to bet. So explain your philosophy and what you were
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: talking about this morning in the column where you were
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: picking teams like the Twins to be big winners from
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: an over perspective. Well, my, you know my my Twins selection.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the division. You know, those tall
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: buildings and big casinos in Vegas for one reason, and
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: three teams in that division are projected to lose ninety games.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: So I'm getting fifty plus games if I can get
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: a team that can go fifty two or you know,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: wint of those games. I'm you know, I'm I'm on
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: third away home. But when it comes to the saber metrics,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff I get. I like war. I
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: think war is legit thing. It tells me something. Winning players.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Um uh if you I'll give you an example. You
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: look at the Loyalist Chicago team that found the Sweet
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: sixteen that coaches noted for drafting players that win state championships.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: There's seven kids on that team that win championships, that
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: once state championships to the recruits winners, they know how
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: to win games. I think war is okay. Now we
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: started getting the Decca and all these other stuff and
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: O B A and this that and and w X
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: this and death and lips and give me a braked
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: because here's what I'm gonna tell you, and Jeff will
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: tell you this too. Let me ask you a quick question,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: or let me put you into a scenario. Say that
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Zack Brinky goes out there and gets absolutely shredded in
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: the second ending and the Diamondbacks are down seven nothing,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: and then a team comes back and make you the
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: seven sixth game, And now the Arizona uses their whole bullpen.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Now the manager's got to go up to the next
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: starter and say, hey, buddy, you got to eat some
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: innings for the bulk then regardless what happened, oh day.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: So now here's a guy that now in the fifth
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: inning is not having one of his best games, and
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: now he has to stay out there for the sixth
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and seventh inning because he's eating it up for his
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: team because he doesn't want to tax the bullpen because
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: they got a bigger series coming up. So his eggit
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: velocity went down those two innings, and that's gonna scuwe
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: his eggit velocity for the rest of the year. There's
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: so many different components. How about a guy that flew
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: from l A all the way to New York and
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: then it's got to get on a flight. After that flight,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: it's got to start that game. You think he's gonna
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: be a tiny bit fatigue. Maybe his egg velocity was
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: down that way. There's there's things that drive me nuts
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: because the elements come in to play. What about the
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: tough matchups to be a different matchup? Could be this
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: that the variables are beyond what they're trying to come
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: up with. Groundball ray, this fall rate, that's ball ray.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: You gotta be out of your mind. You're you're it's
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: it's apples to freaking oranges. Okay, if this guy gave
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: up a zillion ground ball, was great. How about one
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: year he gave up some groundballs that were actually twenty
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: more seeing I hit. Then then last year, guess what
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: he sucks and guess what a two eight hitter goes
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: up to three if those go go through. That's been
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the small minimal part that can make or break a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: savor metric. A savor mestric to me, of any sports,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I said, let me let me rephrase that, not a
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: favorite metric, but of all sports, luck is involved. You
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: create your own luck. I I do believe that as
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: long as you keep hitting balls hard. But luck has
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: involved a lot in in baseball. When it comes to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: um pitching. One of my biggest step peeves is when
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: a guy gives up too broken bat hits, and then
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: then then then the then the then the manager comes
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: and takes him out. Oh so if they were caught
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: and they were bullets, you'd leave them in. So the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: contact rates and all this groundball rates, it's it's subject
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: to everything. What happened, that's minus five degrees out and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: they're playing a game. I'm sure there's gonna be not
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of contact rate that day, So you can't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: put it all in the per perspective, you can't jump
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: it all in. And then when you start reading these articles,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I'm literally in my head spinned by inspector Gadget. Jeff,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna have an opinion on this
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: only because not necessarily for the metrics, but um, because
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: you are very active on Twitter and very thoughtful in
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: going back at people on conventional wisdom of what they
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: think should be done, and based on what you think
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: should be done based on what you know about the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: game and how like, from what a holding penalty is
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: to whether or not so Quan Barkley should be drafted
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: number one overall? Oh out, Well, the Barclay think is ridiculous.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: He should be drafted not number one. I mean we
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: kind of know that now. I think some mock drafts
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: even push him down to like five six set, which
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: just suited for running back. Um. I don't know if
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I pushed back on conventional wisdom, but I think there's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of morons on Twitter, um, and that's possible.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: But really, here's the thing, and here's the thing, and this.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: There are writers that I love who have never played
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: football before, but they don't try to break down plays,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: right They there, and there's a lot of them that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: are there. There's They're very good and I follow them
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and they know that I like their work, but they
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: don't try to like break down plays. And then when
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: people come at me and try to tell me that
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about or I don't
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: know because of or whatever reason, I don't take comming
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: in to that because I think I'm good at my job,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and especially when becomes offensive line play, you're not going
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: to challenge me on that. And you know what thing
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: it does bother me. And I know the guys that
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Pro Football focuses well at PFF, I know them well, um,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: but you know, I give my opinion and then someone says,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: well pe FF ranked them X Oh my god, guys, Like,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: here's the deal with PFF. I think they do some
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: fantastic work. I use them often when I write because
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: they produce stats that I can't produce. I can't produce
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: down for the accuracy for quarterbacks, I can't I can't
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: produce that I can't produce, you know, a cornerbacks rate
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: of of you know, being beaten coverage. I can't produce that. UM.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: But what I think it's important when you look at
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: the at the at the same metrics analytics of football,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: is you have to have the film to back it up.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: So if I say, for example, out Alex Smith was
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: the best this year at deep ball passing, which is
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: shocking because it's you don't think it would be that,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: what kind of season? So if I say that, I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: better have some film to show that he can do that,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: um or vice versa, I better have film and then
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: I could look back at the stats. So I think
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: that in football, film will always be number one. It
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: will always be number one. You can look at the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: at the at the anti it x to confirm what
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: you've seen on film, or maybe sometimes it opens your okay, well,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: and I think this guy, like especially Alex Smith, you know,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: people will be like, well, he can't throw deep and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, no, no, you know the stats
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: that he can, and abviously the film backed it up
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: as well. So I think it's important to blend those two.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I think far too often people rely on the player
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: grades that PFF has and other websites, and when the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: protein and what there is proteins by their data, don't
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: buy the player grades and buy all the other stuff
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: that I can't even see. I've seen some of it. Actually,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: it's very it's very very detailed. It's very good work.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: It's stuff. It's grunt work that that programs just do
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: forever with personnel stuff and match ups that you can't do.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: It cuts it cuts hours away from your day to
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: just buy it from PFF. That's pre accurate, I think.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: So that type of stuff is fantastic. But just to
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: come at me if I get my opinion on someone
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: and saying well, PFF has the ranked here, that drives
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: me up a wall. Alright. So both of you had
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: pieces out this week that had strong opinions. Um, Paul,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the Twins and you
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: made some good thoughts there. People. I saw people responding
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: on Twitter loving the idea that you were all over
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the Twins. Um, you also were all over the Red Sox.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Give me your reason on the Red Sox. Well, you know,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox for me are just getting overlooked. The
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: bump from the Yankees, is it legit. Yes, Um, but
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: let's read into it. Okay, we're gamblers, right. You go
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: on any website, who has the top five starting rotation Yankees?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Who has the top side five line up the Yankees?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Who's got the top five bullpen the Yankees? And to me,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: it's almost like it's just so much that I think
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of people forget that the Boston won the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: division were the lame duck manager. Um. God, we still
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: don't know what what went on in that clubhouse. And
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: with my experience with Alex and and what I wrote
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: in the piece is true. I'm not fabricating one thing
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: you need to yes the manager. One thing you're not
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: gonna get. You know, I'm gonna tell you like it is.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: And I'm a little bit like Jeff. If you're gonna
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: you're gonna disagree with me, I'll listen to your opinion.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: If it's educated, then i'm gonna like it. If it's
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: in there's idiots on Twitter. And if you're gonna come
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: at me with a stupid something, I'm gonna bury you.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: But it's you know, my experiences. Alex Cora comes from
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: a family where his brother went to Vanderbilt, very very
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: intelligent from Puerto Rico. He went to the University of Miami.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Both of them got degrees. They're very, very intelligent. They
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: both played very long careers with very limited talent. Maybe
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Joey was scored lower than Alex, and I think a
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: lot of people forget that Alex had the game winning
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: hit in the College World Series before Warren Morris hit
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: a home run for l s U to win the game.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: A lot of people remember he was the one that
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: was laying on the ground behind shortstop. Next thing you know,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: we draft get him in the Los Angeles Dodgers. Now
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I had been in the organization for a couple of years.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Mike Socie had cut me back to be a catcher,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: went back to a ball um and it was devastating.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: But I got to play with Alex, and then I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: came up the ranks a ball double, a triple A
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: and listen, he was not a great hitter, a lifetime
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: to forty hitter. He couldn't run, but if you hit
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: it at him, you were out. But his baseball i
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Q was insane. He made it up with when you're
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: a catcher, you're able to see the whole field. When
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: the guy would swing. He would have two steps to
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  Speaker 1: the left and the ball would be hit to his left.
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  Speaker 1: His instincts were phenomenal, and he's always been a guy
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  Speaker 1: to me that like when I grew up with them
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  Speaker 1: and then we played together with the Dodgers, that he
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  Speaker 1: would always be in my ear and I was always
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  Speaker 1: in my ear, and we were always on the same page.
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  Speaker 1: He thought like a catcher. Whenever when I was in trouble,
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  Speaker 1: I would look at him. I would go to the
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  Speaker 1: mound and and call him over and say, Alex, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think we should call here? What are you seeing?
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  Speaker 1: Because I trusted him not much. And I just think
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  Speaker 1: that would happen last year in Boston with with their manager,
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  Speaker 1: and we still don't know what happened. I think their
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  Speaker 1: injuries are gonna be a little bit better, and I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: they think j. D. Martinez is They're going a little
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: berserk on j. D. Martiniz because he played in Arizona
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of people are gonna realize that Arizona
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  Speaker 1: is the best hitting ballpark maybe in the big leagues
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  Speaker 1: besides Philly when Philly is not cold. I just think
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  Speaker 1: him bringing over a bullpen coach was a big deal
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  Speaker 1: for me. I don't think I've ever in my lifetime
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  Speaker 1: seen a bullpen coach take another bullpen coach job after
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  Speaker 1: winning the World Series. Um And it wasn't like he resigned.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like the Astros pushed him out. He came
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  Speaker 1: over with Alex, so I think immediately the bull then
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  Speaker 1: that's Craig the Oranson is going to get a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: And Ron Rennicky when I played with Alex with the
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  Speaker 1: San Antonio missions was our manager. And of all the
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  Speaker 1: people that I played with nine to ten years in
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  Speaker 1: the minor league, he was my best manager. And he
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: won ninety one games before Prince Fielder left and the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: whole Ryan bron the buckle. So he sort of got
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: pushed out of Milwaukee. If you go look at his record,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: it was not bad. After they lost Braun, he hung
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: in there. I mean, excuse me Fielder. Then all the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Broun controversy happened, and then Craig Counsel took over and
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  Speaker 1: and that's that. But Ron Rennicky was the bench coach
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  Speaker 1: with Joe Madden and Mike Sosha, so he surrounded himself
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  Speaker 1: with guys he's played with. Tom Goodwin's his first base coach.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that clubhouse is gonna have so much
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  Speaker 1: fun and and and they're gonna enjoy their job. And
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  Speaker 1: Alex is a National League guy. Ron Rennicky's a National
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  Speaker 1: League guy. I think they'll run a little more to
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  Speaker 1: scratch out some more runs because they need to. That's
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: one thing they're concerned. But I do think David Price
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  Speaker 1: holds the key. But for nine wins in that division.
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are on on on
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  Speaker 1: Toronto and I was very close. They were like my
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  Speaker 1: four A because I think they're good. But the the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Anlis is going to be very very good this year.
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  Speaker 1: But I just think you're getting very good value what
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  Speaker 1: Boston and my angle is the coaching staff is gonna
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: help out a ton and make those kids play looser.
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  Speaker 1: That is some freaking insight, man, Jeff, Like you got
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  Speaker 1: your NFL totals up, you did uh three teams you
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  Speaker 1: were eying the unders four I'm gonna give you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna give you the last word. And it's gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to be better than what Laduca just did. And what's
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  Speaker 1: exciting is what it's setting is you have like surprising
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  Speaker 1: teams on that list, like some teams that most people
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  Speaker 1: would never bet against. Well, yeah, but unders for sure. Um, okay, well, look,
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  Speaker 1: I think it comes down and I'll start with the
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  Speaker 1: team that no one that no one would bet against,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the Patriots. Well, last year I bet over fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: It was over. It was over fourteen wins. I think
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  Speaker 1: I bet no. Thirteen a half wins. I bet over.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they'd win a lot of games last year,
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  Speaker 1: and then you realized, you know what, They're just not
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  Speaker 1: that talented anymore. And a lot of what they do
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: revolves around Tom Brady just being better. If you watched
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: the first four or five weeks, zero defense or defense
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: improved a little bit. Then the Super Bowl again, when
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: you're two weeks to prepare for them, that the defense
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: didn't show up. They have no pass for us. They
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: get a young, a young defensive linement back from injury.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: They signed Adrian Claiborne, a linebacker. They get high tower back,
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  Speaker 1: but the other guys can't run. They have no one
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  Speaker 1: that can. They can guard running backs. And he lost
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler to find Gilmore. Maybe he has best play
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: of the entire season against Jackson on the playoffs. He
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: was kind of subpart last year of paying them all
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: that money. You lost your left tackle. And Brady's played
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: with two left tackles his entire career, Matt Light and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Nate Soldier. You're probably gonna draft a tackle. There's only
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: there's really only one tackle right now in college. They
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: can come in and be a Day one starter, and
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: that's Mike Mcgwinchieaf of Motor Dame. He might be there
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  Speaker 1: at thirty one. I've seen some mock drafts put him there. Um,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: you now lost Dion Lewis, who went to Tennessee with
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Butler as well, and he's um, he's kind of they're
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: due all back, right, he can run out of the backsfield.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: He's to give Patch Caster all their guys pass catchers.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: They're running backs. Um so to me and Tom Brady
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: forty one And if you watch a little bit of
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: that his documentary, he could tell that the end is near.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: He can even tell when he's playing. You know, he
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't move as well anymore. But the end of the
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: year he I think he was wearing two knee braces.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: He tore his thumb up in a in an injury
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: um before before the uh the Jacksonville game, look he
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: played great set five year Suita Bowl. I think he
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: can still swing the rock. But at some point, man,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: all these defections are going to cause a problem. And
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  Speaker 1: partly I can I can basically say take the under
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: two because their their number is gonna be like twelve again. Um,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: and they go eleven and five, that's still gonna win
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  Speaker 1: the Probably the East. Miami is a dumpster fire. I
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: wrote them as one of the teams that could positively
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the worst in the NFL this year. They have no
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: vision right now. They have a ton of wide receivers
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: and no one to throw the ball to them, and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: and no do It's a it's a disaster down there.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: You know. Buffalo and New York are kind of in
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: quarterback limbo. So the Patriots can win eleven games next
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: year and still win the East. Um. I said that.
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  Speaker 1: I just put under because of how high I think
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: they're They're over under will be eventually when it gets out. Um,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't see them really going lower than
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  Speaker 1: ten games, maybe ten and six with a minimum for them.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: That's why I put them on there. But I just
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's it's it's getting there. I think
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: there's some friction in the facility. I think the article
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: that was written about them is mostly going to be true. Um,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: and they are going to struggle next year. I mean,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: and struggle is relative, right, I mean eleven and five
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: for them is typically a struggle. Right. They don't. They'll
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: finish eleven five very often. Other team in there that's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: very popular is the Seahawks. And look, Russell Wilson can't
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: keep doing this himself. He accounted for thirty seven of
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: the thirty eight touchdowns for the Seahawks last year. He
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: counted for over eight of their total offense, you know,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: rushing and passing. He run around for his life back there.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: He had countless fourth quarters. We had to come back
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: and make big plays to help this team win. The
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: amount of weapons that have been lost in Seattle is tremendous.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: You all, Sherman Richardson, Michael Bennett, Um, Jimmy Graham, Paul,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: there's so many guys. They didn't bring anyone in. They've
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: done nothing. They brought an offensive lineman, d J. Fluger Um,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: and that's it. They have holes all over their offensive line. Still.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: They have brand new coaches all over the roster um
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: and look at the forty Niners have gone better, the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Rams have gone better. At the Arizona will still be
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: a little down, but they're they're in the market for
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: a young quarterback, I believe. And I think it's over
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: in Seattle. Dynasties are very short lived in the NFL.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: If you take out the Patriots and maybe the Steelers,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: and Seattle's ran their course and they're going to have
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: the legion of boom back there they are. They're gonna
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: have Russell Wilson again running for his life. Um, and
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I just don't see how they win all games next
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: year over in Seattle. That's the headline right there. I
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: think you did, okay. I I think I like to pick.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. You you know just as much Chad,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: who don't you want to punch that who wins? Whenever
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: you're on the site or whatever you're on, You're like,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I don't want to punch that one. You don't want
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: to punch Cleveland over? He wrote that Cleveland's gonna go over.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I love it because Josh board for a second. Games
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: you don't want to press New England under. Let's be honest.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: So those are the type of games that you'd like
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: to get the opinion on or the type of teams
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: because no one wants to punch them, and those are
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: the teams that are win. You know that you sat
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: there before and go, I can't punch it, but I
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: want to, you know what I mean? Well, I think
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I just think there's there's always there's is a team
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: the under cheese, like like the Giants did last year,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: that to me is gonna be the Seahawks. It's always
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: a team that comes out. I know we're like the Bears,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: like the Rams did last year. And yet betting over
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: for Cleveland seems ridiculous. I bet him over last year
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: that didn't do me any good. But talking to their players,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, they have a quarterback at all competent, they're
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: very talented. I think people underestimate and they had been
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: a defense last a run defense that was really really
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: talented and was at one point the year historically good
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna get better and I like the way
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: they're doing with their GM. And look, it's not a
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: popular pick, but I'm okay with with betting against the public.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: I've already jumped on And for you, I I bought
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: your I read your art, going I already jumped on
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I jumped on it, and I'm with you. Oh my god.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: See what we're doing here at the Action Network. We're
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: bringing people together. This is what we do. Gotta you
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: gotta take it. You gotta take it, listen, sold I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: mean I I like it. I think Josh Gordon is
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: one of the top five players in the league. He
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: hit top fide receivers in the league. He's a game changer.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: He can want when you won too three games. I
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: saw him with Chris, with with Kaiser, almost won a
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: couple of games with Shaan Kaiser, and they're gonna get
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: something better than that. He's right, They're gonna they're You're
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: You're better. I mean, I love it. I love it
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: anti team that no one's gonna want to punch and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: and I think it's a great play. All right, boys,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: I think you both did excellent work for your first
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: couple of days as members of the Action Network, and
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: we will be bringing back pro Athlete to Gamble. I
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a spinoff, just your own podcast.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: So thanks for doing this, Fellows. I appreciate it. Great trouble.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for having me too. Betw