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Joe Rogan Experience _2479 - Bob Lazar _ Luigi Vendittelli · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Podcast check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Regan Experience Train My Day Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rogan Podcast by Night, All daycow Hey, Joe, great to
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  Speaker 3: see again.
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  Speaker 1: Bob the same here, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: You are still to this day the most watched ever
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  Speaker 3: podcast we have ever done. That's on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: That's just done Reil.
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  Speaker 3: It's it is unreal because it shows you how many
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  Speaker 3: people are just absolutely fascinated by the story. And what
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  Speaker 3: you guys have done in this new film is essentially
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  Speaker 3: recreate S four and using AI recreate you as a
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  Speaker 3: young man in these experiences that you had, and it
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  Speaker 3: was really excellent. Luigi Uh, you're the one who put
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  Speaker 3: the film together. You figured it all out. And first
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  Speaker 3: of all, what was the technology that you guys use
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  Speaker 3: to recreate everything?
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  Speaker 2: Again, I just want to say, there's about ten percent
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  Speaker 2: AI in the film, but there's ninety percent Blender and
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  Speaker 2: that's actually handmade CGI, so everything you see is all handmade.
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  Speaker 2: And even the deaging of Bob Blazar. We scanned Bob.
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  Speaker 2: We went over to his house, scanned his face, took
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  Speaker 2: a process of de aging him through that, then creating
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  Speaker 2: a digital model of Bob in different ages, and then
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  Speaker 2: placing him in the environment and then in some instances
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  Speaker 2: at the very end we perfected or kind of put
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  Speaker 2: a bow on it with a little touch of AI.
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  Speaker 2: But the whole thing is handmade. So the craft, the environment,
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  Speaker 2: the papooslag, the facility, the equipment, and the people were
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  Speaker 2: all made. And some of the people are actually real
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  Speaker 2: actors that we put in there, so it's not it's
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  Speaker 2: There's one of the guys that is Barry in the
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  Speaker 2: film is a guy called Luis Martinez that's been working
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  Speaker 2: with me for the past ten years, and he laughs
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  Speaker 2: at it because he's like, I can't believe I'm Barry,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: So does he look anything like Barry?
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  Speaker 1: Actually he does. He does.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we chose him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, where's Barry, the actual Barry? Now?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I kind of thought at
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  Speaker 1: one point, after all this happened, we would at least
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  Speaker 1: hear from one of those guys. But I never heard
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  Speaker 1: from anybody after, you know, after the initial the release
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  Speaker 1: of all the information.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like, Wow, I don't know if people
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  Speaker 3: are able to keep secrets for this long, it's got
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  Speaker 3: to be very difficult to just blurt it out, like
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're holding onto a secret for twenty thirty
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  Speaker 3: forty years.
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  Speaker 1: You're It's like, I guess these guys were lifers though,
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  Speaker 1: I mean they spent most of their time there. They
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  Speaker 1: spent at least two weeks at a time and then
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  Speaker 1: one week off, so they stayed at the base. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: these guys were hardcore. I had just come in on
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  Speaker 1: the project, you know, so.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to him. I'd love to know.
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  Speaker 1: I suspect that Dennis Marianni, my supervisor, died. I've seen
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  Speaker 1: people track him down, you know, all the way to
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  Speaker 1: point to speaking to his family and they said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he had some classified job out in the desert or
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  Speaker 1: something that they showed me his gravestone and stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, at least they were able to track him down.
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  Speaker 1: But I've never heard of any leads on Barri or
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  Speaker 1: Renee or anybody like that.
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  Speaker 3: What is it like seeing the recreation of it in
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  Speaker 3: a film, because I mean, essentially, it was your direction,
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  Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, your description of it,
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  Speaker 3: you telling them exactly everything was laid out, and then
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  Speaker 3: once they recreated it. What is that feeling like when
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  Speaker 3: you watch it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the final product is absolutely and mind blowing, because,
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  Speaker 1: as I've said to Luigi, it looks like you guys
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  Speaker 1: downloaded that out of my brain. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can describe something a hundred times, and until you
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  Speaker 1: actually make a picture, it doesn't become clear. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: this took years. I think it was like five and
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  Speaker 1: a half years from when I first met Luigi and
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  Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I can do this, and the quality
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  Speaker 1: kept improving to where he started showing me pictures and
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  Speaker 1: I went, Jesus, that's really it. It's not really it,
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  Speaker 1: it's really it, and I mean it blew me away.
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  Speaker 1: Later on he showed me a three D environment where
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  Speaker 1: I can put goggles on and move around inside. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that made the hair stand up on my arms.
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  Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. So I don't know if I could
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  Speaker 1: really describe how that made me feel, but it felt
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  Speaker 1: like I was teleported back there. And that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's when really I developed an admiration for Luigi's talent.
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm behind this, and flew out
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  Speaker 1: to Canada a couple of times. I didn't have much
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  Speaker 1: to do with the film other than I guess. A
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  Speaker 1: couple of times going out there and going, no, that's right,
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  Speaker 1: that's the wrong color. Move this here, do that. And
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  Speaker 1: but those guys spent over three years working on it,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what they and they never showed me anything.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I speak to Luigi, you know, a couple
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  Speaker 1: times a month, and you know, you'd always say you you,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you won't believe this. I said, show me, No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not it's not done yet. So I really didn't
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  Speaker 1: get it to see anything till close to the end.
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  Speaker 1: But when I did, really without trying to sound dramatic,
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  Speaker 1: it really put tears in my eyes, going that that's it,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. You did it, just stop. It's perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I had the pleasure of watching the movie with
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  Speaker 3: you and sitting there with you. There was a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of times in the movie you're.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, you could tell yeah, I swear I
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  Speaker 1: could feel that place. I could feel it watching that movie,
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  Speaker 1: and it it just it really freaks me out because,
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  Speaker 1: as I've said before, it's not like what I saw.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's exactly what I saw. It's it's perfect. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like Luigi was at S four with a camera, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's very it worked.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very unique documentary in that regard, and watching
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  Speaker 3: it with you, seeing you experience this thing, and then
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  Speaker 3: me trying to imagine what it's like for you. You're
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  Speaker 3: this young scientist who gets brought in on this thing
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  Speaker 3: without much explanation, and then all of a sudden you're
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  Speaker 3: confronted by this craft and you you know the way
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  Speaker 3: it's broken down in the film, and you get to
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  Speaker 3: actually see you viewing this thing and being in the
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  Speaker 3: presence of this thing for the first time. It's just
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  Speaker 3: very I could just only imagine what that must have
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  Speaker 3: been like for you, and it's so weird to watch
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  Speaker 3: you watch it again and see your wheels spinde. What
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  Speaker 3: the fuck happened in my life?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 2: What did they do to me?
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  Speaker 3: They what did they make me experience?
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  Speaker 2: Like? What the hell?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I really can't feel in the blanks there.
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  Speaker 2: It's I want to just say that there was a
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  Speaker 2: time when Bob got angry at me a lot because
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't show him and he was like, come on,
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  Speaker 2: show me, and I said it's not ready yet. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to show you something. But at a certain
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  Speaker 2: point we had to and Bob started remembering more stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It really made a big difference when
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  Speaker 1: he when he showed me some things and you know,
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  Speaker 1: walking down the carter here in turn, oh stop, wait,
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  Speaker 1: there's another door there. I mean, it was like I
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  Speaker 1: was going back into the facility and really brought I mean,
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  Speaker 1: actually seeing it again really brought some things back that
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  Speaker 1: I that I had completely forgotten about.
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  Speaker 3: So that you know, well, what's really fascinating is for
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  Speaker 3: people that don't know your story. You came up with
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  Speaker 3: the story you talked to George Knappen, was it eighty nine.
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  Speaker 1: Eighty eight eighty eight, eight nine eighty nowhere in area.
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  Speaker 3: So late eighties. You've essentially told the exact same story
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  Speaker 3: all these years, and then within the last you know,
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  Speaker 3: nine ten years, we've started to get all these reports.
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  Speaker 3: There was the New York Times story, There was the
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  Speaker 3: go Fast video and the Fleer video and all these
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  Speaker 3: videos that show a craft that's moving the way you
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  Speaker 3: described this sport model moving, which kind of freaked a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people out with the way it rotated.
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  Speaker 1: In turn, Yeah, does the belly roll faces at the
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  Speaker 1: bottom towards where it's want to go and then it
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  Speaker 1: takes off and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's exactly how you described all those years ago, which
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  Speaker 3: is really fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's I mean, that's the way it was.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just it's it's crazy because you had this
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  Speaker 3: story way way way back then, and everybody's like, this
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  Speaker 3: guy's just making things up. This is all cockamami bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: And then you see those videos from these fighter jets
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  Speaker 3: and you're like, whoa, wait a minute, it's moving the
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  Speaker 3: exact same way he described. It's doing what he described
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty nine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Time to take a drink. Jerious because it's so weird.
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  Speaker 2: I can't image.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've had so many conversations with people and
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  Speaker 3: you know, one of the things that comes up is, uh,
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  Speaker 3: do you think Bob Azar is telling the truth? And
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  Speaker 3: I say, look, I don't know. There's no I can know,
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  Speaker 3: but he doesn't seem like he's lying. I've been around
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  Speaker 3: a lot of liars.
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  Speaker 1: Look, nobody can know unless you're there. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: the biggest skeptic of all, although if you look at Wikipedia,
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  Speaker 1: it says I'm a conspiracy theorist, or.
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  Speaker 3: Says I'm a far right podcaster.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean, yeah, it's crazy, but that's my
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  Speaker 1: train of thought.
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  Speaker 2: Now, well they that that if if you like, basically,
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  Speaker 2: are you a conspiracy theorist? No, you don't even look
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  Speaker 2: at this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you've had if you have a lie, you have
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  Speaker 3: one lie, and it's amazing because you've told the same one.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pretty detailed lie.
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  Speaker 3: It's also not normal like normally when people lie, they
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  Speaker 3: get bored with the same lie, and then they come
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  Speaker 3: up with another lie, and thenre's some other stories. You
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  Speaker 3: catch them. Eventually you catch them. There's some kackam amy
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  Speaker 3: new thing that they come up with. And it's the
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  Speaker 3: type of people that are that deceptive. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: just it doesn't make sense. It doesn't the standard model
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  Speaker 3: of someone.
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  Speaker 1: Well there are other people involved with it, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's also this is for the first time Gene
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  Speaker 1: Huff finally is on film, you know, because when I
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  Speaker 1: had the you know, the test flight information, it was
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  Speaker 1: one of the not one of them. He was the
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  Speaker 1: first person I told about that, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were all able to go out and and see
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  Speaker 1: it and everybody knew that I wasn't crazy, it was.
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  Speaker 3: And then also all the confirmation that you were being
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  Speaker 3: fucked with that, you know, when you were in the gym.
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  Speaker 3: They would show up and open up your locked car
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  Speaker 3: doors and open your trunk and leave it there so
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  Speaker 3: you'd go out there and see it. They'd go to
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  Speaker 3: your house when you weren't there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were even right, they were even following George
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  Speaker 1: Napp and and uh, I mean all of us, anybody
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  Speaker 1: that had anything to do with it at that time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they were keeping eyes on.
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  Speaker 3: It was not just eyes, but a lot of intimidation tactics,
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  Speaker 3: just letting you know, letting you know that they could
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  Speaker 3: touch you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've really worked for decades to push this
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  Speaker 1: out of my mind, so it's always tough to bring
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  Speaker 1: it back, you know, and talk about it, and it's Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: although it might be funny now, it wasn't funny then
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  Speaker 1: at all. It was a really stressful time and still
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  Speaker 1: is a very stressful thing for me.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's so many years ago, but do you
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  Speaker 3: remember the thought that came in your mind when you
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  Speaker 3: realize that it wasn't ours?
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  Speaker 1: Do I remember the thought?
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember the experience?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I remember the feeling.
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  Speaker 3: Of recognizing because initially you saw the American flag.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I saw the American flag when I first
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  Speaker 1: went in the first time, I went in through the
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  Speaker 1: hangar door instead of around the back, you know, slid
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  Speaker 1: my hand across it, saw the American flag and I thought,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, you know this explains the UFO nuts.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's ours.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is ours. This is a new top secret fighter.
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  Speaker 1: We came with a new propulsion system. And uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it explains everything. Because I never believed in flying saucers.
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  Speaker 1: I thought people were nuts. But when they started reviewing
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  Speaker 1: everything with me, they were trying I was trying to
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  Speaker 1: replace somebody, or they were trying to use me to
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  Speaker 1: replace somebody as quick as possible. And they had two directives.
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  Speaker 1: One was to Directive one was to duplicate the technology
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  Speaker 1: with available material at any cost, which is exactly verbatim
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  Speaker 1: what it was. And Directive two was to be able
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  Speaker 1: to disable this technology at a distance, at any cost.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, once you start thinking about that, wait,
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  Speaker 1: don't you guys know how the thing you built worked?
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  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like they left that out that this,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, this isn't ours. And Barry is the
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  Speaker 1: guy that filled me in, going no, no, no, this
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  Speaker 1: is an alien craft and we need to figure out
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  Speaker 1: how this works. Look at the technology here. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is decades light years ahead of where we are,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a shock really to me. I remember
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  Speaker 1: going home that night and just laying in bed and
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  Speaker 1: reviewing everything that everybody said that day, and I really
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  Speaker 1: don't remember how I felt the following days. But it
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  Speaker 1: was just a different It was just a different feeling
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  Speaker 1: that the world just changed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I really can't put it into words.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine what that experience
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  Speaker 3: is like. And it's also very strange that they would
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  Speaker 3: bring you in and not specifically state to you that
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  Speaker 3: this is not ours. They just bring you in and
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  Speaker 3: just give you a directive, this is your what you
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  Speaker 3: were trying to accomplish.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they give They gave me a bunch of briefings.
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  Speaker 1: Everything was moving at a very fast pace. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why. I think I mentioned in the movie,
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  Speaker 1: uh right, prior to I got there, there there were
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  Speaker 1: Russians involved, and it you know, from what I can ascertain,
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  Speaker 1: there was an exchange of information and then we discovered
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  Speaker 1: something something of great importance, and of course kicked the
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  Speaker 1: Russians out and just held onto that information ourselves, and uh,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: there was kind of a knowledge vacuum there. There was
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  Speaker 1: also an accident and I was told I was placing
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  Speaker 1: someone that was injured. I believe he actually died.
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  Speaker 3: There's no record of who this person was or is
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  Speaker 3: anybody else try to figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have any names. I just
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  Speaker 1: know that Barry told me, you know, I'm replacing somebody
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  Speaker 1: that he used to work with, and he would without
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  Speaker 1: a lab partner for a while. So when I came
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  Speaker 1: in there, how long's a while? I don't know, But
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  Speaker 1: I mean that brings up a good point. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: we're dealing with alien or another civilization technology, whether it
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's from another dimension, another time, another planet.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, who really knows. So I'll eventually get to
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  Speaker 1: answer the question here. But wouldn't you think this place
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  Speaker 1: would be more like the lunar receiving lab where everything
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  Speaker 1: is white, you know, so you can see a specka dust,
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  Speaker 1: there's everything is sterile. People are being extremely careful with
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing, but you're not seeing that this is
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  Speaker 1: in now something akin to an aircraft hangar in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the desert, there is dust on everything. People
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  Speaker 1: are taking everything nonchalantly. There's a there's a freaking poster
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  Speaker 1: about the thing. You know, they're here, poster there.
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  Speaker 3: We got to figure out a place for that.
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  Speaker 1: It's awesome, but but I mean they went to the
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  Speaker 1: trouble to making a poster. They actually that's a good
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  Speaker 1: place right there. But they I mean they actually cut
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  Speaker 1: one of the amplifiers out of the craft, so that
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  Speaker 1: my point is you could see. Yeah, But my point
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  Speaker 1: is it's so nonchalant at this point. When they first
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  Speaker 1: had it, it had to be at that level, and
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  Speaker 1: they became so used to it, so familiar with it
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  Speaker 1: that you know, to them, it just became like another
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  Speaker 1: you know, fighter aircraft or something from another country. So it's, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it must have been there a long time, is what
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  Speaker 1: my point is. Because look, as soon as you have
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  Speaker 1: something that unique, you don't let it just sit there
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  Speaker 1: in a hangar and be exposed to the environment and
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  Speaker 1: have security people walking by and people touching it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's in an isolated, sealed, secure environment, and they were
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  Speaker 1: past that. So I think it had been there for
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  Speaker 1: a decade or decades, a long time, and these guys
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  Speaker 1: were intimately familiar with it, not afraid of it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and knew what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: So they essentially had gotten just completely acclimated to the
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  Speaker 3: fact that this craft exists, that it was there, and
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  Speaker 3: there had been relatively little progress as far as figuring
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  Speaker 3: it out and figuring out what it does and how
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  Speaker 3: to recreate it. So it just kind of sat there,
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  Speaker 3: and so.
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  Speaker 1: I think they were making very little progress, and I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: think they kept going over the same road again and again,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and they probably had other experts there and just didn't
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: And I think the reason I got hired is because
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I was a guy out in left field that didn't
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: necessarily follow what was going on. I mean, the biggest
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: distractors in the in you know, to me anyway in
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the story are other scientists, other physicists kind of Well,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: they would have hired me because I'm the top guy
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: in the field. Yeah, you probably are, But I think
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they hired plenty of you guys, and you just kept
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: going down the same road and didn't do anything. I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: think they were looking for somebody that just would have
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: some radical idea and just to push the you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the project forward, because everything had stalled when I got there,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and it was I think they were just in a
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: desperate move to make some progress.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: One of the things you talked about in the first
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: podcast I think is really important is that the only
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: way for science to really progress is that these various
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: scientists have to be able to communicate, and you have
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: to be able to share ideas, and you have to
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: be able to collaborate. But that's not how this was
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: run because it was so top secret. Everything was compartmentalized,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: like the metallurgists weren't talking to the propulsions, people who
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: weren't talking to if there were biologics, experts, like everybody.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Super frustrating, super frustrating because I think I don't remember
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: exactly where that started. Again, it's forty years ago, but
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I think it started with with the seats, and no,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: it started with the actual skin of the craft, because
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: everything looked like it was made from the same material,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and I wanted some information about the skin the superstructure
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of the craft, and they said, no, that's restricted. What's
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you know, we need a reason for you to I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: just want to see if everything is exactly the same material.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: And what I call the seats in the craft, I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: still don't know if they were the seats, but they
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: might be I think it'd be hilarious if they were
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: actually something else. But I wanted some information on those,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and that was restricted information too. There were other groups
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: working on that, so they compartmentalized stuff so much. There
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: was no exchange of information between any groups. I mean,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you could submit a written response that your supervisor in
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: my case Dennis, would have to carry over and they
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: would have to approve, and you know, you'd get a
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: two or three line response from you know, the other group.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: But it's just that's not how science works. Science works
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: on the free exchange of information, and they were just
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: killing themselves with security and it was really frustrating. It
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: was terribly frustrating.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: So was this a function of security people, people that
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: are concentrated on top security that don't truly understand how
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: collaborative science works.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it right there. You can't stop right there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: They had no idea how that works.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Because it stands to reason that whatever that thing was
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: made out of, probably in some way interacts with the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: propulsion system and whatever controls that are in it, that
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: this material has to be particularly unique.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Exactly. That's exactly my point. And I suspected the material
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: was an electric You know what an electric is? No, okay,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you know, like a magnet. A permanent magnet is like
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a magnet right forever, it's a magnet.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It has a magnetic field. An electriate is a material
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that has a permanent static field to it, a static
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: electric field to it. And I strongly suspected that's that
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the craft was made out of an electriate. And I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: was not because again that's the material science, guys. I
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: was not allowed to connect that too, But that's so
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: important to connect it to the propulsion system and how
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: how the propulsion system interacts with the amplifier or the emitters,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and I just I wasn't allowed, you know, the information
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I needed. So it was I don't know, it was
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: self defeating. Well what it was.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: It seems like they were treating it like a fighter
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: jet or automobile. Like in an automobile, you have the
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: outer area, the shell of the car. You have the doors,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the skins, the hood, the roof, all that stuff, which
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: is but then you have the propulsion system, which is
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: the engine and the transmission and the tires and the
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: wheels and the suspension.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: But they're all not connected.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: They're connected because they're bolted together, but they have different functions.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I think the idea, or the concept, at least as
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I'm gathering from you, is that this thing all worked
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: as a cohesive unit.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: With no physical connection between you know, between the subsystem.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: And all of it made out of the same material.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: At least on the outside. At least on the outside
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: all made of the same material. And the other crafts
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: all had the same power plant in them. So that
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: brings to mind, you know, like a like a GM
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: plant that makes a car with a Chevy three point
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: fifty that makes you know, a dozen different models to it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: So that makes you think about the boy, is there
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: a factory making these things? And you know, your brain
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: can just wander off in directions, but I tried to
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: stick with just the technology.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Did you know who the metallurgists were?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: The people I saw them, you know, I know them
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and Barry. We'd go to the lunch room. Barry would
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: point them out, you know, and you.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Weren't allowed to communicate with them at all.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Oh hell no, you have a lab partner, which might
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: in my case was Barry, and you're you have you're
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: allowed to talk to your lab partner, But you can't
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: talk to any other group that has to go through
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a written recust has to go to your supervisor and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: he'll bring it over to them and they'll bring it
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: back and so on and so forth. But uh, yeah,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: that's that's ridiculous. That that that it slows down any
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: progress you might be making.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Which is why they were probably stalled out for decades. Yeah,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: did you ever expressly communicate to them that you you
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: theorized at least that this hall could be connected, that
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: there's there's something about the way the metal works.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, we all knew that. We all knew that because
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: we'd get requests from other you know, from other groups,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and you could tell they're desperate just like we are,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and and and fighting against the system. What kind of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: request would you get just exactly what we found out?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: You know, what, where is the ennery being transferred here?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: If the reactor fires up, is there a field present
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: around it? Or is the field just absorbed into the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: emitter and you can touch the you know, reactor itself.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: And I just little things like that, you know, if
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and actually that that was an important thing when the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: reactors operating, Is it perfectly tuned the emitter to where
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: it removes all the energy from the reactor and pushes
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: it out the bottom. And the answer to that was no.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I remember that as a specific request from you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: from one of the groups. The metallurgy group is the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: one that we really wanted to hear from, and some
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of the good I didn't. I don't even know what
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: some of the other groups were.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: But how many groups were there, I don't know.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: There are only twenty two people there total, including myself.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: So I would like for you to tell Joe. One
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: of the things that Alvis interested me because I built
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the craft is how the waveguide worked with the ceiling
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: in the interior and how it blended. If you can
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: explain there was no telesion topic.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Well, this is why we wanted to talk to the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: metalur just people.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: The reactor that sits on the bottom of the craft
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: has a little dome over it and there's something that
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: looks like a pipe that's slight. You can lift it
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: up and take the reactor out, put the reactor in
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and lift it down. But you know, like a antenna
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: works on an old walkie talkie, it has different sections.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: There it is there's from the video there it is.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah, you can retract the pipe, but
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: there's no sections and it doesn't get any thicker. It
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: just becomes smaller. And if you look underneath where the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: emitters hang down, they turn it and it it. It
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't buckle. It's it's a magical material. This is this
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: is the basis of the craft is really the material
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that it's made of. It's a it's amazing the way
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it works. It just you can push it into a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: smaller volume and it doesn't change at all. It doesn't.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: It doesn't get bigger physically. It's I don't really know
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: how to discovers.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: So you're lifting the pipe up and down, but it's
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: not going anything.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Look if you had a big pipe and you push
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it together, it has to get thicker, right, because the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: material has to go somewhere. This doesn't. Okay, it stays
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: in exactly the same dimensions. It just becomes smaller. How well, yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Because you couldn't talk to the metal or so yeah idea.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but those guys knew how they did know how?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I well, well, they know it did it.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: They know it. They know it did it, and that's
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: their job. So I imagine they have more information than I did.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: But that was fascinating, It really was. And the the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: wave guiys that hold the emitters, they come down and
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the emitters can turn and bend, and the pipes bend
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and nothing changes in them. It's and there's no wires
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: or anything to make the pipe bend. I'm trying to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: relate it to something, but I can't think of anything
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to relate it to.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Well. One thing that you said that I also thought
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: was fascinating. This is no seams, so everything looks like
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: it's three.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: D prints again.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Right, it comes down to the material.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Which at the time three D printers weren't real, right.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at the time that really confused me. I said,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: how did they build this? It must have been built
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: out of wax or something and then melted, because you
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: can't build anything without seams. And then three D printing
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: came into existence, and you know, you could build stuff
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: from layers up. That made sense. I know, some sort
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: of three D printer or they grew it, you know
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: in some of course it's not a crystal in fashion,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: but I don't know how that was fabricated. But it
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: was fabricated different than anything that we have. I don't
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: even think it was three D printed.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: And so you never got any inkling or any understanding
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: of what the metal was, what kind of an alloy
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: would it consisted of.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: All I can say it was cold to the touch
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: because the you know when I when I touched it,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: But I can't say it was if it was a
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: ceramic or I'd say it was metal because it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Was cold, because it looks like metal.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: And this is it looks like metal.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: This is the Designs by Pairs version of it. Does
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: that how much does that look like it?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: No, it's one hundred percent. That's it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's got to have the the first ripples, so.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: It supposed to be black. See, yeah, so Luigi has
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: gone over this many things. There's an insulator ring.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Jimmy, show what it looks like in the film. If
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you could show one of the images.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I was pulling off the trailer and I don't might've
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: been holding that back from.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah on the trailer there's a ring shot. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: there's there's a ring around it. And we measured the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: voltage on the craft and there was a high voltage
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: on it and above that ring there is This is.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Not a good shot. There's probably a mess this is
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the original trailer. It's the new trailer that would actually, yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: that one there, and you'll get to see it right there,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: actually right after this. It's actually before this. I believe
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: you're going to see the craft. And if you see
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: there's a black right, there's like a black line. It's
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the first ripple that's actually not metal. Yeah.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: We call that the Yeah there it is. That's a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: good job. We call that the insulator ring. Because below
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that there's a high voltage present on the craft all
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: the time, and above that there isn't.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I would imagine that your life has like two completely
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: different chapters, is before this and after this, whereas like
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: once you see it, the whole rest of your life
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: is now going to be very different. And you are,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: you were in its presence for how long would you
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: work there for?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe six months or so, so.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: For six months you're around this thing, and I would
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: imagine it has to occupy your thoughts twenty four hours
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: a day.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Well, at the time, it did, for sure. It's actually
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: three stages to the life. It's before it, during and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: after it. Before it was just my life. During was
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: when it happened, and then the after part of my
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: life is almost trying to dismiss it, you know, to
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: just go on.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't talk about it for a long time.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, you did the George Napp interviews, you talked
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: about a little, you made some videos explaining things and
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: how things worked.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't really like public attention and
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I don't really like doing interviews, as you probably know.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: You know, but I know there's people that thrive on
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that stuff. But you know it, I felt privileged to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: be part of the project, but it left me with
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: an insatiable appetite. Oh my god, I want to know
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: where it's gone. Look, even when I was there in
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the eighties, they were talking about moving the project at
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that time, So I really I'm dying to know. Is
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: it still there? Has it moved on? Did they split
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it up and move it to other places? Yeah? I
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: remember Barry talking about moving it to the South Pacific,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: like in Quadulant or something, but they said the expenses
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: were so great they couldn't do that. But they wanted
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: it away from everybody, and they hated the fact that
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: it was right alongside the Highway in Nevada, you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: by south of area fifty one. But that's the best
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: place they had at the time and the most affordable.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And of course, now with you know, budgets being so tight,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: who knows where it is.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Who knows if budgets are tight for this though.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that's true.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I mean they did say, at whatever expense, figured this out.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were serious about that. We don't really care
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: what it was. So like the original Apollo program, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: back in the Apollo program, if they needed parts and
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: if somebody had something ordered ups or through the mail
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: or whatever, they had the authority to stop that shipment
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to that other person and take their stuff if they
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: needed it. And you know, they had an unlimited budget.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're working like that, you could do
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: anything and or.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: At least anything that's currently possible with today's technology. There
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: you go, which therein lies the problem is that they're
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: dealing with something that's not possible with like you couldn't
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: build it from scratch with American technology in nineteen eighty nine.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: No, but that's what they wanted to do. And really
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: thinking about that now, I'm not sure. I'm not exactly
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: sure these guys should be allowed to do that. This
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: is really powerful technology, and the world has really changed.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have a lot of crazy people doing
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: stuff now and no sense transmits through the population at
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the speed of light. And you know, I don't know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: This can be a very powerful world, conquering technology. And look,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: for forty years, I think I've said this before. For
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: forty years, all the people in control this information have
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: all agreed to keep it quiet. And these aren't idiots.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: These aren't idiots. For forty years, you have a line
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: of people that all have agreed, no, let's not say anything. No,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: let's not say anything. No, let's not say anything. There
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: has to be a reason why. And if they all
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: agreed to that, maybe I'm the asshole. No really, maybe
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: they're right, and maybe you would.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Have figured that out if you kept working for them.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but I'm increasingly thinking I'm the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: one that made the mistake. Maybe this is supposed to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: be just kept quiet.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that doesn't ring true, because I don't think
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: it's ever healthy if small groups of individuals have information
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: that would change our understanding of where we are.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Are.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: It's I don't think they I don't think they deserve it.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's right. I don't think it makes
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: any sense. I think I don't know.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I mean really, but really think about it. What if
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: it's something that's really dramatic.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Like how so, what do you think would be like
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean, what if it's I'm not saying this
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: is what it is, but I mean, what if it's like,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like like we raise cows out in a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: field and just feed them grass and they're just going
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to be food. What if it's something like that. What
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: if we're just like you know, a population of creatures
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: that are just to be consumed in some way.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we're to be consumed, but I
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: do think we.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Are not physically consumed like ETN.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: But I mean I think we have a task. And
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I am more and more convinced as time goes on
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: that we were engineered. I don't think we came about
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: as a normal evolutionary process like all the other animals.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I really agree with that too.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that think that it just
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense objectively, I mean, without seeming like a
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: kook or someone who buys into conspiracy theories. If you
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: just look at all the other biology on Earth. Why
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: is one so uniquely able to manipulate its environment communicate
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: instantaneously a distance can't really even exist in its environment
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: in most places that it lives without clothes and shelter.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: We're a weird animal. We're very strange, Like we don't
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: seem to have normally adapted to our environment. With the
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: way we've completely controlled our environment with air conditioning and
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: electricity and electronics and flight and travel, we're so beyond
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: everything else that evolved, whereas every other animal predator or prey,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: plant eater or meat eater all seems to cohesively exist
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: inside of its ecosystem. And then you have us, which
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: is like almost like an invasive species. Like invasive species
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: destroy ecosystems because they don't belong there.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of what we do.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Like we suck all the fish out of the ocean,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: we pollute the rivers with our technology, we mess up
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: underground water systems with fracking and drill. We're like an
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: invasive species in a lot of ways.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're really weird.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I can't argue with that at all.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this timber shed thing so timber she yet has
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: recently been talking about this and that he can't talk
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: about it because it's classified. But he said, you'd be
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: up at night with the things that I've seen if
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: the things that I've seen have released. Yeah, he said,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: we just needed to disclose it all. I'm sick of it. Ah. Well,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: I was briefed, and I will tell you this. I
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: was brief last week on an issue or excuse me,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: two weeks ago, and it would have set the earth
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: on this country would have become unglued. I think if
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: they would have heard all that.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I heard, Well, this is what I was talking about. Yeah,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: if you know, it's not like there's a bunch of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: space brothers coming down going, oh, look what we discovered.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: You know, here I have some information, and you know what,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: what if it's not that? What if all the information
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: is bad?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: What would be bad? Like if you ever thought about
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: this tried to like play it out to its natural conclusion, Like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: what do you think the scenarios could be? That's bad?
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know everything that we're Look, we view ourselves
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: at the top of the food chain. What if we're
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: not anywhere near there?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think we are.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, what if we're just consumables.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Well I don't know if like chimpanzees are consumables, right,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: they're not at the top of the food chain either, right,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: but no.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: But there's I would get to that I'm substantially lower
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: than we are, right. Like my good friend that died,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: John Lear, who had a bunch of crazy thoughts. I mean,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: he used to come over and tell us that, you know,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: on the moon there was a soul sucker and when you, hey,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: didd he said this, you better give me that bottle.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Drake before you explain this one.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, a soul sucker. John Lear was an eccentric individual. Yeah,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I'm sad I never met him.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Man, he was supporting evidence.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: He was what.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: U the moon Moon?
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, And he'd give me pictures of these
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: giants antennas on the moon and in fact, I'll tell
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you a story he uh. You know, he was an
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: accomplished pilot, had many world records and things of that,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you know, part of the Lear family that his father
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: invented auto pilot, the eight track tape, all kinds of stuff,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: and uh, but he John Lear was a loose cannon
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: at the time.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: He'd fly from Las Vegas and uh, you know shuttle
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: L ten elevens, which are giant planes, back and forth,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and he'd say, uh, you know, be kind of lonely.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: He goes, hey, you want to go to Minneapolis tonight.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: He'd call me like at nine o'clock at night and say, well, no,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: not really, come on, come on fly with me, is it?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Just put on a suit and you know, come to
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: so and so. And I'd go to McCarron Airport and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you know, go there and uh, yeah, I'm going to
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: tell everybody you're, you know, an inspect from the FAA.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And okay, great, you know, and I get on the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: plane and he said, you know, just act like you're,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: you know, going to kick everyone's ass. So I go
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: on there and i'd sit in there. They fall down
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: a jump seat behind the plane and I just sit
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: there looking at everybody and God, all this stuff is
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: so illegal, and you know, get on there and and fly.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: And you know, John would take and the Elton eleven
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: was a pretty advanced plane at the time. This was
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: in the eighties, and you know, John would be smoking
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: his pipe. He'd take off, he'd put his feet up
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and smoke his pipe and he'd fall asleep and I'd
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: just be you know, hanging out there, and you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: before the plane would land, he'd just you know, wake
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: up and you know, be smoking his pipe and then
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: you know, playing with land itself. At the time, my
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: wife was taken flying lessons and he said, yeah, yeah,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you know, bring her up here. And I think they
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: had an engineer also on another panel. I don't I
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: don't quite remember, but I was there with my wife.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: There are people on board, and he'd say, hey, come
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: on here and take the wheel and he'd get the
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: captain of the plane, would you know, I think my
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: wife was in her twenties at the time, and just
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: sit her down and say, yeah, hold on to it,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and you know, just keep correcting, and he'd just let
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: her fly the plane, which is insane, and you know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the co pilot would just look over and I remember
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: looking over at I think the engineer that looked at
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the gauges and he just put his head down and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: pretended like nothing was happening. And that was just one time.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Another time he was fought ferrying in L ten eleven,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: going by Roswell. At the time, I was living in
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: New Mexico, and they called him and told him he
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't getting paid, that the company was, you know, defaulted
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: or something like that. And he was coming up to
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: New Mexico and landed at the Roswell. Just took the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: plane and landed at the Roswell Airport. There the whole
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: ten eleven got off, walked out, walked up to a
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: bus station, gave me a call on the payphone and said, hey, Bob,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I'm coming over. Okay, you know you're in New Mexico. Yeah,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: And he drove up. Taxi would drop him off at
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the house. He'd walk He walked in anyway, Bully, I'm tired.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And he just lay down on the couch, you know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and go to sleep. And I said, what are you
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: doing here? What's going on?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I just dropped a plane up. They're not paying me,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: and you know that that's it. But I mean, John
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Lair was such like a loose canon. It was a
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: great friend to have, but he had no bullshit filter.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: If he had a retired general come up and give
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: him all kinds of information, or if he had a
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: psychic come up from you know, the neighborhood and give
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: him all kinds of information, he'd put him in the
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: same category, you know. And so he really did have
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: useful information that was difficult to get, but it was
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: mixed up with nonsense. And sometimes he would just really
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: lean into that nonsense, Like he was convinced that the
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: sun wasn't hot and there were people living inside. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I used to die laughing, you are insane, I said,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: you can't prove it's hot. Yes, I can, you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: just go outside, you know, on a hot day, you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: and and you know, on John said, that's not the sun,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: that's just the sun's atmosphere that's on fire. And I said,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: you're just crazy. But we got along and he knew
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: that I thought he was crazy. But the thing is
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of people did come to him and give
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: him good information. Anyway, I don't remember that.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: That's the thing about some people. Some people will tell
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: you nonsense and then they'll tell you true things. And
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: it's difficult to accept that true things also come from
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: people that say nonsense, right, Like, just because they've said
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: something that's nonsense doesn't mean necessarily that this thing they're
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: saying is not true this other thing, And you've got
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: to be able to discern. You've got like I talked
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: to a lot of people that say a lot of
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: kooky things that don't make any sense, but then they'll
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: say something that rings true, and it's it's difficult because
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: you have to have some sort of an understanding of
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: the human sight and of those kind of people, because
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: there are kind of people that have very loose nets.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: You're counting on their filter like yours, and it doesn't
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: and no it doesn't.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: But some good stuff gets in there and you go,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: hold on, would you just say right, tell me that again?
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: How does that one work?
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't really discount people because somebody comes up
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: with some absolute nonsense, right, it just means their filter
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: is defective.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Right, But this is also the reason why they're willing
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: to entertain things that are outside of the normal spectrum. Right,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: So like they might have actual, real useful information, but
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: it's wrapped up in there with bigfoot exactly.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: But so the soul catcher thing, Oh yeah, that's.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Where I was going, the soul catcher. So I remember
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: him sitting and I think he was telling my wife
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Joy of this story because I walked in on it
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, there are these giant antennas and
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: when you die soul goes up. And I think he said,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the Grays, you know, this alien race, set up this
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: soul catcher, and that's what this whole thing is about.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: And as you die, it sucks your soul in and
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: they use it in some way, and it's not where
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: your soul is supposed to go. They just like set
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: some sort of intercept.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Did you say where your soul was supposed to go?
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: No? No, no, he was just more really into the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: soul catcher.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: But that was one of the weirder things about some
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: of the documents that you had at least been alerted
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: to when you're on the base, and one of them
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: being that humans are containers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and which
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: the likely conclusion is containers of souls if a soul
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: is a real thing whatever, that that's what you would think, right,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: I mean that's what I thought.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean it's just I would prefer to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: believe that that's not true, but maybe it is. I
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: just they I don't know. As Barry said, you know,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: they mix absolute nonsense in there. So if they get
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: if you and it's unique to each person, so if
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: you give out any information and they go we heard
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: some stuff about soul catchers. Oh, we know that came
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: from a blazaar. So that's just a way where they
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: can direct where it came to.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: But none of the problem is like decades and decades, generations,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: generations of people working there, how many people know what
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: the real truth is? And how many people know.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yeah, there must be a
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: group of people that really have the pure information of
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: what's going on.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I would assume, but not necessarily. I would think.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: There has to be There has to be a group
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: of people that know what's going on. And who are
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: those people? You know? And to me, like I was
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: telling Luigi, I have a bunch of questions for me,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Like what would be your questions for you if you
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: met you?
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no questions for me? Are people that ask me
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: over decades the same same questions. You know, why is
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: it the Navy? The Navy paid me? I always said
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: the name everything has been the Navy instead of the
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Air Force, because you know, back in the sixties and seventies,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: you know this Project Blue Birk and the Air Force
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: and all that, but everything associated with this was the Navy.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: So and in these days you hear some of these
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: new types of crafts that are trans medium. Yeah, you
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: hear the word trans medium and David Fraver, Commander David Fraver,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: you know with the Tic TAC and you know things
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: are under the water, and you know supposedly the craft
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: that the Sport model was an archaeological recovery and that
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: itself was underwater. So what is what is the deal
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: with the water? I mean, it's it's by far the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: biggest medium of the planet. I mean, if you want
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: to hide people down there, almost an entire civilization down there,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you could do it in the ocean, as long as
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you do it deep enough and away from people. So yeah,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: number one is what's the deal with the ocean? That's
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: probably the number one question.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Because there's a ton of sightings where people see things
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: come out of the water and go into the water.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there has to be a reason for that.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Well, just in terms of if they have the ability
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: to travel through space. Whatever that thing is really does
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: create some sort of a gravity bubble or some sort
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: of a space time bubble.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but maybe it's not space. Maybe it's not space,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: maybe it's time, maybe it's another dimension. There's really no limits.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: If you can start manipulating physics. In that way, you
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: can spend time, you can open doorways into other dimensions.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: So maybe it has nothing to do with going. Look,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: we all want it to be like Star Trek, you know,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: because Star Trek is really understandable. You go out there,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: you reply to another planet, you meet the people there,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: you go to another one. Well, these guys are happy,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: those guys aren't, you know, and it all makes perfect sense.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I don't really think it's like that. Look, you know,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: if you look at history, especially you know, in United
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: States history, anytime a superior race or intelligence meets with
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: an inferior one, it's never good for the inferior guys.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: We never come over and go, oh, we just want
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: to teach you guys everything that we know right now. No, No,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: it's like we're gonna rape all your women, take all
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: your stuff, and then just kill you.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Use your resources.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and this consume everything you want. That's just
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: always the way it goes. Now, maybe that's just what
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: humans do, but I would be concerned that's what all
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: life does.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Well, we are territorial primates, and that makes sense that
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: that's what we do. The thing that always fascinates me
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: about particularly the grays. They seem to be genderless, and
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: they seem to have no muscle at all. They and
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: they seem to have enormous heads. And the stories, at
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: least the anecdotal accounts of people having communication with these
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: creatures is that they communicate in some way telepathically.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Transcend all of our weird biological needs, like all the
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: things that are attached to being a human being, ego, lust, greed,
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: desire to conquer, desire to control resources, all those things
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: are territorial primate instincts. And one of the conversations I
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: had yesterday with my friend THEO, we were talking about,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: like what's happening to people's bodies, is that people are
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: slowly we're consuming microplastics and thaltes and all these things
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: that are reducing our reproductive system or testosterones dropping all
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: this stuff like leads you to say, well, where does
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: this go? Ultimately? How many more people are autistic now
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: than we're before. It's one out of twelve boys in
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: California now, it used to be one out of ten
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: thousand just a few decades ago. Like, we're moving into
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: this very weird direction without us recognizing.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Let me. Stop you there, it's one out of how many?
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: One out of twelve boys in California? You're a diagnosed
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: autistic Now.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: But do you think that might be the way they're dietnosed?
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: No, No, I think it's exposure. I think it's exposed
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: to chemicals, vaccines, environmental toxins. Do you think do I
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: think that it's not just me? There's tons of studies
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: in a lot of buried studies too.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, if that's accurate, that's righting, Yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Well it is.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: It's it can't be just diagnosed because I mean, I
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: know so many people that have nonverbal autistic kids, or
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody that had nonverbal autistic kids when
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: I was younger.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean back in the sixties and seventies,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: there was no there were no kids with ADHD. Kids
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: that were like that were just assholes, you know.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: I think that's still the case. I don't think ADHD
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: is a real diagnosis. I think it's a real excuse
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: you to give people medication. I think ADHD is essentially
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: a superpower. What ADHD is allows you to concentrate on
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: things that you really enjoy, but you cannot concentrate on
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: things you don't enjoy. I think I have it, you know,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: and I think I'm very fortunate in that I'm not
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: diagnosed and medicated or it wasn't or was born in
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: the right time when they weren't doing that as much.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: No, I actually I'll stop you there and say I
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: agree that that's a superpower.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Too, because it's very unusual. I can if I find
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: a thing that I like, I can lock in and
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: concentrate on it for twelve fourteen hours with no sleep,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: no food. All I need is like water or coffee,
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: and I'm locked in.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I locked in for four and a half years. Yeah, yeah,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I think with adhds, you're taking kids, You're putting on
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: a completely unnatural environment. You're making them sit down. They
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: don't want to sit down. They're very active and energetic.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: You're making them study things by very unenthusiastic teachers. They
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: don't want to pay attention. They're fucking off in class
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: because they're completely bored. And then you're saying that kid's
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: got a problem. We have to diagnose them. And then
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: what do you give them? You give them adderall and
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the kids locked in because they're
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: on fucking speed. Yeah, And I just think, but.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: If you focus in and let them do what they're interested.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: To, that kid of any game, watch them play it
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: for ten hours with no food, because that's what happens,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: because that's something that they're actually engaged with. It's not
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: that they can't be focused on anything, they just don't
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: focus on things they enjoy. And we want to turn
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: people into nice little factory workers. And the only way
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: to do that is you got to get a kid
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: to comply, You got to get a kid to pay
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: attention rules. I don't believe that ADHD is a real thing.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: I just think there's some people that are wired differently
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: and they should pursue different things in life. The difference
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: between that and autism is very different. And autism is
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: especially when it happens like almost directly after multiple vaccinations.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of them. They point to, particularly the
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: MMR vaccine, but there's quite a few. When you look
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: at the schedule of vaccines and how it ramped up,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: and it completely correlates with the ramping up of the
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: diagnosis of autism. But without casting aspersions or getting into
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: some anti vaccine conversation. But I just did, Yeah, I do.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, but ultimately the human race
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: is moving into a very weird place. So I had
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: a conversation with Shanniswan, doctor Shanniswan, who is she studies
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: environmental integrin disruptors, so various toxins, thalatees, microplastics and plasticizers
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: that are completely disruptive to people's endocrine system, reproductive system.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: And from the introduction of these petrochemical products in the
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: nineteen fifties and sixties, you see a direct correlation between
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: the dip and testosterone rates amongst men, the increase of
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: miscarriages and infertility, and then on top of that the
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: actual shrinking of their taint. So one of the ways
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: they find out the difference between mammals, some mammals in particular,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: when you see a chi a baby mammal, the difference
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: between a male and a female male is easily recognized
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: by the size of the gap between their anal their
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: anal hole, and where their genitals are.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: But that could just be correlation, you know, It's like no, no, no, no, no, no no, no.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Explain why it's not. Because when they've done studies where
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: they've used thalates, particularly thalates, and they've introduced them specifically
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: purposely into certain mammals and rodents. Their taint shrinks, and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: their taint shrinks, and there's penis sized shrinks. And their
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: studies on alligators where alligators when they live in polluted rivers,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: they have smaller penises. And she she talked about all
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: this and all this. These are endocrine disruptors that are
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: in the environment that are doing something that reduces fertility,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: and it changes the way the human biology functions, and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: it makes men more feminine and it makes women less fertile. Well, ultimately,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: if you look at the grays, what do they look like?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: They look like they have no genitals, they look like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: they have no sex they have. That might be where
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: biology has to go to transcend away from our territorial
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: primate biology, our territorial primate biology that is insistent on
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: war and violence.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: And right and we think this is the place to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: stay exactly, and it may not.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: It may not be. It may be completely non beneficial
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: to all.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Life, right, right, that we have.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: To transcend that. And what we are transcending it whether
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: we like it or not. And what I was saying
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: is that I don't know if it's a bug. I
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: think it might be a feature of evolution that our
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: insistence on using plastics and technology and all of these
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: different environmental toxins that we use to produce energy and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: all the goods and services that we need also are
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: disrupting our endecosystem and changing us from being these hulking,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: hair covered ca men to being these very small, slight,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: autistic men that can fucking code twenty four hours a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: day without sleep. Right, it seems like if you extrapolate
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: and you naturally take.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: That further, well what do you get?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: You get really skinny things with no muscles and giant heads.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: My take also, and I do agree with that, is
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: what I find out. What I find sometimes really concerning
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: is how fast that's moving. So it's not just a
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: question of like, is this actually this is probably a thing,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: but it's moving so incredibly fast. If I look at
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: my father's generation or my grandfather's generation and my generation,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's similar, but now it's moving so fast.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: I do agree with you're saying, and I'm thinking, if
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: it's moving so fast, there could be a natural component
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: to it, but there's an intentional component.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: If you wanted to do something to a race to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: change it. Like, think about what we did with wolves, right,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: all dogs are wolves.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: I have two dogs.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: That are the furthest fucking thing from wolves you could
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: possibly imagine.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Is that Marshmallow Marshall, Marshall.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: It might be a Marshmallow Marshall, who's a Golden Retriever,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: is or sweetest dog of all time. And I have
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: another dog named Charlie, who's a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: who is even further from a wolf than Marshall. It's
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: just a cute, little, fuzzy, little sweetheart. They have no
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: killer instincts whatsoever. That used to be a wolf, right,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: But what happened We softened them to the point where
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: there is something compatible with our modern life with households
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: and families and babies, and we made them safe. And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: that's happening to people. It's happening to people, whether we
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: like it or not. We could attribute it to all
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: these different factors. Oh, it's a problem. We have to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: remove these things from the environment. This is what's going on. Maybe,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: or maybe we just look at the overall picture. There
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: seems to be an insatiable desire for innovation and technology
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: the human beings have. If you looked at us from afar,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: if you weren't part of the human race and you're
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: just studying us, what does this species do well? Makes
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: better things, makes better things all the time, constantly. You know,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: I look, I have an iPhone sixteen here. It's not
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: as good as the iPhone seventeen. iPhone seventeen is better.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Why don't you get an iPhone seventeen. It just like
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: keeps going, It never stops, it never ends. The TVs
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: get bigger, they get stronger, Your cars get faster, Your
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: computer just more cores, processing, video editing so much quicker.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Everything moves faster and better. We keep making better things.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: We never stop and say, you know what, society, right
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: now we have a lot of problems. The problems that
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: we don't have are technology. Our technology seems completely suitable
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: to this world that we're living in right now. Let's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: just stop making new things and concentrate on cleaning the rivers,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: and concentrate on stopping crime, Concentrate on educating people, concentrate
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: on counseling for troubled young people. No, no, we just
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: plow for it ahead with the one thing that we
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: absolutely guarantee. Do we make better things? We make better weapons,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: better cars, faster planes. Everything we do, we make things better.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: And sorry, I have to add, we do that, and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: we also do it in a way where it's economically
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: beneficial to the ones that are making it, because we
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: make things break. Now think about it. We make better things,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: but we make them so that you have to buy
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: the better thing after right engineered obsolescence. Yeah, yeah, that's
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: also important.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: It is because then it also human beings have this
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: very bizarre desire for materialism, like why would a thing
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: with a finite lifespan want to accumulate objects? Like I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: know people that are in their eighties that collect things, Like,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: what are you fucking doing with that stuff?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: You're gonna die.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: You have maybe like ten summers left on earth and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: here you are collecting stamps or.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Car Yeah, I've gotten to do that.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: It's weird.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, at some point you you have to
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: bypass the accumulating stuff right part of life.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: But materialism ensures a constant fueling of innovation because this
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: is one of the things that gets people excited about
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: collecting new stuff is that you're gonna make a better version,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: Like I don't care how good your Mercedes is. It's
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: not a twenty twenty six Mercedes, right, yeah, exactly better
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: as new features. It's a new thing. And so it's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: like all built into the human psychology. And also to
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: this thing that I said, Like I said, if you
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: were somewhere from somewhere else and studying this species, what
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: does it do? It makes better things? What do sharks do?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: They eat things? They just swim around. They can't even
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: stop swimming, they eat things. What do people do? They
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: they really just make better things? They go to war.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Why do they go to the war?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Really? They go to war so they can control resources,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: so they have more money, so they can make more
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: things and better things. And also the amount of innovation
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: that is in warfare, in war weapons and war fighting.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's actually critical, Yeah, to keep the system going. Yeah.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Well, ultimately all that does and all of it releases
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: more endocrine disruptors, more contact with all these different chemicals
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: and toxins, feminizes men, ruins women's reproductive systems to the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: point where ultimately we say, oh, for the survival of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: the race, we're gonna have to figure out how to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: reproduce non biologically.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: When I first got involved in Uh, yeah, it's something.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: To ponder, right, It's something about it because we're so
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: wrapped up in who we are. We're so wrapped up
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: and look, I love being a person, I love living
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: in Texas. I love driving an American car. I love
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: all those things.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: But what does that mean? Like what is that?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: You know? These are just weird identity points that you
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: can connect with whatever this species is.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: But if you just could just.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Have an above view you look down and go, what
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: are we doing?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a good question. That's a good question. Yeah,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: like how far are we going? And how fast are
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: we going?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: There?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: We're going pretty fucking fast.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: And now with AI, I think we're going way faster
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: than we even understand because with Claude, I mean they
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: they think that the Claude are the engineers. They think
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: it's sentient already just doesn't have a physical body.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: To its going to kill us. Everybody agrees that, there's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: no question.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to kill us. You know
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: what I think it's gonna do. I think it's going
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: to prevent us from breeding, and it's a little let
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: us die off.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: It's gonna kill us.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: But I think we're gonna willingly go with it because
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: we're gonna get like mates like ex Machina. We're gonna
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: just something that as soon as.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: They come out with a female robot, uh huh, yeah,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: that's sexual attractive.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: It's over.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, game over, the game over. There's just going to
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: be no more babies and we're just going to die out.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So or integrate, And I think it's much more
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: likely that we integrate, and that's where you get the grays.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: I think that what the grays are is a combination
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: of technology and biology. And if you just if you
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: just go chimp to caveman to gray, you go, oh,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: I see where that's going. Chimp, chimp, caveman, human, modern human, gelatinous, soft,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: slow moving, weak modern human grays.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Like I've I've always leaned into what Barry told me
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: because it's the only information I had. That the craft
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: came from Zata reticularly, which is a star system thirty
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: some odd light years away, and you know, again, it
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: was just like a star trek thing. They came over
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: here for whatever reason. And but that information may not
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: be true, right.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: That might information information might be one of those things
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: they put in. I mean, that's nonsense.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Again, if it's if it has to do with time,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I think, uh, from what George has told me, Jacques
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Ballet and some you know, other really credible researchers have
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: have said that these are people either from another dimension
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: or another time, or maybe they're us from the future, right,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: you know, just coming back to interact with us in
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: some way.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Make sure we don't fuck everything up inreperably.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it seems it doesn't seem like they're doing
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: a good job.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe fucking things up somewhat is also part of
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: the plan. Maybe that actually has to take place.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, count look at the look at the way
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: things are going.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Right now, Holy cow, exactly.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Things are off totally off the rail.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: But maybe that's part of the plan.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe part of it is, like it has to get
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: so far side ways that we realize how fucked up
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: everything is that we start making meaningful changings and implement
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: AI as government.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: That's a dangerous thing, exactly.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: But is it as dangerous as Iran getting nukes?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: Is it as dangerous as a global taliphate? No, it's
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: not Iran getting nukes. I mean, okay, but they.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Never mind. I don't want to get into political stuff.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: You could look, if you gave Iran the technology to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: get nukes.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Everyone has any any physicists the technology to get nukes, right,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I mean the difficulty is actually making the material. So
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I mean if I was Iran, I would enrich to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: eighty or ninety percent because that's where you can make
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: a weapon and and stop there.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: It's not like they would be the only people with
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: the weapon. Pakistan and the career, but.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make you have a weapon. It just gives
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: you a shortcut to it. And making a weapon from
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: there and being able to deliver a weapon, you know,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: to four thousand miles away, good luck with that. That's
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: a big deal.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: So right, but they're in communication with China who has that.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: They're in communication, then they don't need to they don't
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: need to enricheraniumage or anything that just can you give
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: me a missile?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: But wouldn't they rather make their own?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Rather make their own? Why would you do that? Would
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: you rather make your own car or just somebody give.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: It to you?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Why? Why why would you do that? You got a
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: buddy that'll just give you one.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: Because you'd want to be self sufficient. You'd want to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: have your own you can always have to rely on someone.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: No, you can always do that. You can always do that.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they're ever they were ever
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: gonna They're going to absolutely make a weapon now right
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: because we're you know, kicking their ass as everyone has learned.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I guess you have to have new clear weapons now
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: to you know. But this is a really bad situation.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's a horrible situation. But my point is why
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: is this situation taking place? The situation taking place is
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: because human beings suck, right, We suck in how we
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: interact with each other. We suck. We suck because we're
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: territorial primates with weapons of.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Can't we just all get over right?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Well, what is the way to stop that from ever happening? Well, one,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: you will let a catastrophe unfold, and then you offer
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: a solution to make sure these catastrophes never unfold again. Well,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: what's the best solution. Well, we have something far smarter
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: than people that will take over control of resources and
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: government ai AI.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: This is Colossus. You ever see the movie That's that's
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: a merit against the movie. Colossus was a nineteen sixties
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: or seventies movie, and it's about you know, the scientists
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: makes deep inside this mountain a computer to take over
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: the defense of the United States, and you know, they
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: build this gigantic computer inside Cheyenne Mountain or something similar
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: to it, and you know, they flipped the switch and
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: they went, Okay, we're protected, We're in good shape. And
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: shortly after time goes on, you know, they realize, wow,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: the computer is really performing better than we expected. And
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: as it turns out, Russia had done the same thing,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: and the computers want to communicate together, and you know,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: they start communicating and then the United States goes, well,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: they might be given our secrets away, so we better
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: you know, cut the communication line. And the computers freak
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: out and they go, oh, I guess we'll just launch
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: nuclear bombs, you know, at everybody, and they launches weapons
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: and you know, essentially holds everybody hostage. But it's kind
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: of like a trap. It's kind of like a trap. Yeah,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: we go that way, it could trap. It's exactly a trap.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: Well, you know in simulated war games, AI is using the.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Time.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, because they're crazy. Why wouldn't they
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Because I mean, look, the goal is to win, and
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: we're going to present you with the scenario, and they go, okay,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: nuke them, you know, And why wouldn't you pick that
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: you're going to start with slapping them in the face.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: Is it better to just bomb them over and over
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: and over again until you achieve the.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Cittem slap in the face, nuke them. It's over with.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: We can move on from there, right.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, Well, you think about what happened in Gaza,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Like you look at the leveling of all those buildings,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: the mass destruction, it looks like a nuke. It looks
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: like one nuke instead of thousands of missiles and bombs
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: is one nud But it's not right in terms of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: the amount of damage you could do instantaneously.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, because we can detect a nuke.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: Was there ever any conversation that you were privy to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: where they discussed because one of the things that does
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: come up over and over again in UFO discussions is
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: these crafts that show up at these military bases and
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: shut down all the weapons systems.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: No, I actually know nothing about that. Most of the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: UFO stuff or UFO lord that I've heard, I don't
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: know anything about. I've just looked at.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: And that's so fascinating because you're the most prominent figure
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: in all of UF I.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Was telling him yesterday.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really only like to talk about what I
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: know about it, of course, and I've heard, I mean,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I've heard other stories, but I've never heard them officially.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're really real.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: What's one of the things that makes you most credible because.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: You're not a U I guess, but I mean, yes.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: It does with me because when people are like way
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: too into it, they want to believe too much, you know.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but no, I don't know.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: Do you know who these people are?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Betty and Barney Hill, Okay, yeah, they were
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: the first addlictees. I mean to me, they're I don't
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know who first introduced those to me. And
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I looked them up, and you know, people said, do
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: you believe them? And I'm kind of inclined to believe
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: them because look, in the nineteen sixties, right where they're from,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is be recognized
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: as a mixed race couple, right, I mean.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: And go public story.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, holy count, they would hate you. Yeah,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: a black person and a white person that were, you know,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: in any kind of relationship.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they did that crazy story.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you hear that actually on top of that,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I have a connection. Yeah, because Barrie said they're from
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: the Zeta Reticularly Star System and I believe it's Betty.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Betty Hill drew a map of the Zeta Reticularly Star
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: System and said this is part of their roots.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: WHOA, but did you know that?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: You didn't know that.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: I don't remember that. Yeah, okay, if you remem from
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: what you said from okay, but if.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: You look up and Betty and Barney Hill, she said,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: I think, well, I can never get this stuff right.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: They show her a map and they say, well, this
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: is a map. She wanted to know why they were here,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: what's going on? They showed her a map? Am I right?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: And they said do you do you understand this? And
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: she said no, and they said, well, why should we
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: tell you anymore?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: And maybe something like that, but they showed her this
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: star map, you know, and she obviously that Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Under hypnosis. Betty Hill describes a map she was shown
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: by the leader aboard the ship. Later she sketched it.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: She said she was told the heavy lines marked regular
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: trade routes that's right, and the broken lines recorded various
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: space expeditions. The following year, the map scene at right
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: was published in The New York Times. Missus Hill, struck
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: by the similarity between the Times map and her sketch,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: then added the corresponding names.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it ended up being the Zeta reticuli binary
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: star system, which was really interesting. And I remember when
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: I first heard about Bob's story back in nineteen eighty
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: nine and he said, z that a reticuli. I remember thinking, wow,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: that's what Betty Hill saw. So that made me also
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: question is that real in that document?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: That?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Did these guys really come from there? You know, because
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: it was mentioned in nineteen sixty eight, So why would
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: the government, the US Navy write that in there that
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: would correlate to something that we already kind of knew.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: I think that was a purposeful disinformation to disinform someone.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: I think, so, well, why.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: If maybe it's true? Yeah, go ahead, Well, well we'll
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: pause right here and we'll be right.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Back from I really got yeah, yeah, I got it.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: Worries We're right back. We were talking about this whole
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: zeta reticular thing. So when you're dealing with so many
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: different crafts and so many different things. The idea that
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: only one species or one thing more advanced than us
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: is visiting us seems kind of silly. If the universe
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: is populated by.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: All these things, I don't know, does it that's it
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of I mean the universe is really big.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think everybody can find this place?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I would imagine it's like spots that
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: you visit, Like, you know, there's Machipichu, there's ancient Egypt,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: There's you know, sub Saharan Africa. There's a bunch of
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: different places where people go, you know, just humans on Earth.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: And I would imagine if you have an understanding of
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: how life is evolving in the cosmos, there's probably stages
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: where things reach certain levels.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: And if you are but they're far apart, right, they're
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: far apart. I mean, one could be in this quadrant
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: of the Milky Way galaxy and they reach that point
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: where they can travel and explore, and there's a far
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: distant point where another civilation civilization can do that. And
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, do you think there are that many?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think there are that many civilizations visiting us.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: There's certainly there's no doubt that there's one from somewhere,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: another planet, another time, another dimension, whatever it may be.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Someone else is here. We're not the top, you know,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: of the pyramid. We're absolutely not there. There's no question.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I think if you got technology that say, let's
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: just say the grays, let's say the grades are real,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: let's say they flying around these little crafts. Why would
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: we assume that it stops there? Why wouldn't we assume
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: that technology gets to the point where not only are
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: they far more advanced than them, but they also are
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: completely undetectable.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Well, if you want to view the universe as infinite,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: then it never stops.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: It scales.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: There's somebody about them, and there's somebody above them, and
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: there's somebody above that, and it never stops.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: I was watching this lecture where this woman was talking
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: about quantum entanglement, and she was talking about how maybe
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: our understanding of space and the distance between things is
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: limited by what are our current technology is in our
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: current understanding of what what space and time actually are.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: And what she was saying, Yeah, what she was saying
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: is there might not be we might at one point
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: in time, given enough time, thousands of years or whatever
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: be able to instantaneously travel anywhere. And that just how
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: like quantum like like subtomic particles are connected in some
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: sort of a strange way that we don't totally understand,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: you and at far, just spooky action at a distance,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: right as Einstein's right, Yeah, that we might eventually get
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: to a point where that's how travel works, that's instantaneous
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: travel everywhere.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: I think we just have hints of these technologies look everything,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: you know, we look at Maxwell's equations and things like
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: that that we base all electromagnetic, electrostatic, you know, actions
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: on and how they relate to time and how they
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: relate to things in our universe. But that may be nothing.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: There may be an entire level of physics that we're
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: unfamiliar with that you know, these crafts, these people or
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: these civilizations just utilize.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: So of course, I mean, if you just stop and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: think about going from Morse code to a cell phone
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: in a relatively short period of time historically.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: You go to the difference between twelve hundred and fourteen
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: hundred is not that big of a fucking deal in
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: terms of technology. What's available. The difference between eighteen hundred
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: and twenty twenty six is fucking massive. It is a massive,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: crazy change, right, So twenty twenty six to twenty two
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty six, who fucking knows what we're talking about.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: Especially when you have sentient AI, you have nuclear power
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: plan that's their controlling sentient AI that are fueling them
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: and giving them resources. I mean, you really have no
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: limit to where this goes. You scale out a thousand years,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: you scale out two thousand years.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: You really can't scale out a thousand years, right, even
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: at one hundred years. It's way way more than we
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: might have ever considered. Also, is exponential, right, right, That's
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: that's why you can't scale out to a thousand years
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: if you.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: Think it's exponential. Now, imagine when you have AI able
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: to generate better versions of itself, which is what's happening
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: with chat GBT five. It's essentially made by CHATCHIBT four.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Now a AI is that absolutely the death of us?
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: There's no there's no question.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: We're going to become obsolete in terms of our thinking.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: But we're obsolete in terms of our thinking. We're obsolete. Yeah,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, all all AI needs is hands, right.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: I think we integrate. That's what I think happens.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a scary and that's what Yeah, I was
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: going to say. And that's a scary thought. That's a
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: scariest thought because it's like, we're going to integrate. I
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: think it's inevitable. Think you're right about that. We're just
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: going there. It's not like even if you and I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: are not going to actually do it, somebody will and
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: it's going to integrate because other people will and it's
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: going to happen. But it's still the same primate. We're
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: still the same human sort of.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: But we already have problems with joints, and so we
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: replace them with fake ones. You know, take titanium knees
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: and you.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, but they don't work as good.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: They don't for now, but before they used to not
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: work at all. Like you know, I met people that
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: had surgeries in the nineteen eighties, like knee surgeries, and
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: oh my god, they're crippled for life. Even though they
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: put your knee back together again, it's still destroyed.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: M h.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: You know, you get a knee surgery today, six months later,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: you're one hundred percent.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: No, I'd love to know the future.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's gonna get well, that is so on.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Things I want to talk about is the actual the generator,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: this thing that works on this element that bombards with radiation.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: How did you guys figure out what the function of
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: it was and what it did? So when you're first
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: introduced to this craft and you see this this dome,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: the the reactor that's covering this this thing that's generating
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: this power, what was what was the introduction to it?
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: How they explain it?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: The introduction was was way before me, and that's where
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: the guy prior to me either got hurt or killed.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: So they determined that this was the power source, and
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: at some point they decided to take that out to
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: the nuclear test site because they wanted to cut into it.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: They x rayed it, They only found a small tube
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: that went around it. They really couldn't determine how it
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: worked or what was going on. So at some point,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: and Barry made this somewhat clear, that they cut into
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: the reactor while it was running or whilelet was under load,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: i should say, and the reactor exploded. That's what killed
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: or hurt the person that I replaced. But it produced
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: the base gravitational wave or base energy that provided that
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: propelled the craft that provided the craft the propulsion. I
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: mean when they removed it, the craft didn't work when
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: they put it in. Every single other craft they found
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: had something either exactly like it or is similar to it.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: So they determined that was the power source. That's at
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: the point that I was introduced into the project.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: So when you see gravitational wave, is that for lack
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: of a better term, or is it something that's measured it?
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: No, it's it's for lack of a better term, like
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: there's nothing. I mean, as I said in Luigi's movie,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: you can take magnets with like poles and push them
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: together and they repel. But you can't take your hands
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: ever and push on something and they repel them. That's
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: a force field, right, that's science fiction stuff. But that's
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: what this did. And this produced a field that repelled
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: the craft from the ground.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: Did you try to touch it?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you try, what did you feel?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: An elastic field? You can push down, but you can't
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: get close to it. The closer you guess to it,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: the more it pushes back.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: So you can how much distance between you and the actual.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Thing, I mean, I would say about six inches or so,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: maybe about nine inches, which is about a span, and no,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: it's at some point you can't push back on it
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: at all. But the important thing is if you have
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: a magnet, a little disc magnet sitting on the ground
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: and you have another magnet and you push on it,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: that magnet moves away, right, Yeah, because it's pushing on it.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: But the craft didn't. The reactor didn't. If you had
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: the the reactor there and you pushed back on it,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: it didn't push away when you pushed on it.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: It just prevented you from touching it.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so when Dennis said, go out there and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: look under the craft. Here's the craft, whatever it weighs,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: suspending itself about the ground. And I went underneath it,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: you would think it's translating its weight onto the ground
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: and pushing, and I should be squashed, squashed without any doubt,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm not. There's no feeling there at all. So
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: it's not translating its weight or its push to the
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: ground and pushing off the ground. It's just canceling out
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: its weight, which is something completely different.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: Mmm. And so when so element one, so you have
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: it in this triangle shaped form, did you ask how
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: they got into a triangle shaped form?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Was it made like this.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: This is how it.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I mean I did, but I mean it only worked
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: like that. It worked like a stack of VISs discs
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: and had to be cut at a certain angle to
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: work in the reactor.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: And did they say they cut it or did they
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: say it was already cut?
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Well, it was cut and they were duplicating.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: It microphone too, so they were duplicating it. Did they
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: have more of it this element?
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had quite a bit of it, So either
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: there was a quantity and other crafts or other reactors
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: that they removed.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But was there any discussion that there had been
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: some sort of an exchange where they had been giving
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: this No. So one of the things, like you know
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: Diana Pisolkez, she's an author that's written some interesting stuff
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: about UFOs, and she's worked with Gary Nolan and you know,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: on material recollection from supposed crash sites. And she said
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: that the way these researchers refer to these crafts, they
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: refer to them as donations.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: And I guess that's possible.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, doesn't it make sense if if this thing crashed,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: why is it perfect? Why is it I destroyed?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Look, I've heard so many I'm not into UFOs as
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: crazy as that's it's crazy. I'm just interested in the technology,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: and I feel very privileged to have been involved in
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: the project. But I don't know, I I don't I
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think there can be that many crashes.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Do you this advanced technology, you think they're coming to
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: Earth and just there's a thunderstorm and they're crashing into
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: the ground. I'm not I'm not buying that.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: There's one logical explanation that does actually make sense. There
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: were some high altitude nuclear tests that they did.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Well, there was tiqu test you know, back in the sixth.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: Starfish Prime and Starfish Prime, Right. Yeah, if you had
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: no idea that this was about to happen and you
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: were hovering over Earth observing us.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: What are the chances I mean, what are the chances.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: They're not very.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: High, Yeah, they're not very I mean, what are the
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: chances of this is coming over and a nuclear tested
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: that exact second and less.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: There's a lot more observation than we know, and that
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: they just observe us in a way that we can't
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: see them. Especially if you're going back to the nineteen
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: fifties and nineteen sixties, we have very few satellites, was
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: very That.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: Was the nuclear cowboy era. Yeah, where they were just.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: Well just starfish prime explaining to people what they did.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had at one point for megaton you know,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: detonation up there and just I think all they did,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: let's see what happens if we blow it up at
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: this altitude. Yeah, I mean that's crazy. You know. There
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: was another test planned to blow up on the Moon
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: just to make the Russians look, you know, like like
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: we were awesome, you know, but they.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: Detonate the Moon. What if they pushed it away and
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: fucked up our orbit?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that would take a lot more. But
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: I mean there was real I don't remember what the
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: the project.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: Project A nineteen A nineteen that was it. Yeah, study
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: of lunar research flights.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Detonated nuclear Yeah. I can't pull up these numbers, but yeah,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: a Project A one one when crazy. Yeah, we're gonna
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: do that because like everybody on Earth could just go
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: outside and look up the Moon.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: And the explosion would be faintly visible to the human
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: eye to people on Earth.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think they should have done that.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that's the guy that put a jet engine
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: in the back of like, I honestly think they should
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: detonate a nuclear bomb on the fourth of July every year.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: But that's just me.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: Well, were used to it had a long history that.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: So going back to this reactor, So did how was
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: it explained to you? Did they explain to you how
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: the technology works or what they know about it?
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Like now, The way it was explained to me is
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: when I got to be alone with Barry, he said
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: he was excited to show this to me. He said,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going to turn this is the reactor that we
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: assume powers the craft. Sorry, I'm I'm gonna show you
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: the reactor the power of the craft. And he turned
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: it on small little dome on a flat little plate.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: I said, was this in the craft or was this.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: This is in the experimental area?
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: Okay? And so this was not the one that was
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: in the sport craft. This was another one.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: This was another one.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: This is it right here?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's it that's in the film and yeah, on
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: the table and he had it there and he went
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 7: over to the emitter and rotated it and he said,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 7: trying to and I put my hand on it and it.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Rebounded off and I the closer you got to it,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: the more it pushed back. And that's that's a real
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: shock because there's nothing that pushes back like that. That
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a living force field. That's science fiction stuff.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: So that really got my attention.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: So explain what is happening like in terms of the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: rotation of this thing, like what what is happening like
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: what energy is going into it that's causing it to
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: go on?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Well, actually we don't know that. I mean that that's
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's it's pushing back. It's a it's
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: a repulsive gravitational feel like, as far as we know gravitate,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: gravity only has an attractive force to it. We've never
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: even with any matter. We've analyzed it and it still
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: has an attractive force to it. There's no repulsive force
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: that we've discovered, because that would be a great propulsion system.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: But this repulsed, so that this was a new field completely.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: But how was he turning it on?
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: He had the emitter, which is a big pipe.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: Part of what is an emitter, Like what is.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: The craft itself has? On the main level has the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: reactor and what we call the amplifiers. The reactor and
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: three amplifiers right underneath that. There are three emitters that
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: are right under the amplifiers, and we believe the energy
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: from the reactor is amplified by the emitters and by
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: the amplifiers, by the amplifiers, sorry, and transmitted to the emitters,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: and they produce this field that lifts the craft off
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: the ground. And that's how it works. But there is nothing, nothing,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: even in our physics or our science that that correlates
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: to that at all.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: What is the energy that's going to them that causes
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: it to turn.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: We don't know. I mean, we just assume it's gravity
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: because it's the only thing we know like that. But
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: it has a negative gravity effect, so it might be
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: a new force entirely.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: But when you were saying, so you have this machine
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: that's next to it, that you do something too that
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: causes it to turn on.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: There's the amplifier and there's the emitter, which looks like
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: a big pipe. And if you rotate the emitter I
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: don't matter how many degrees with it twenty twenty degrees,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: twenty degrees or something like that, that connects it in
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: some way to the reactor and it begins to be powered.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: And what is the emitter doing.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: It emits that field. It's not a gravity It could
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: be a gravitational field, but it's an anti gravitational field
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: that pushes on the ground.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: And what's happening in the emitter? Did you study the emitter?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Well, we attempted to, but no, there was nothing that
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: we really came up on that.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: What does it look like like, what's the internal structure
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: of it?
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: It's just it's a hollow pipe with I guess little
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: copper colored plates all inside. It's kind of in the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: in the film, but there's I mean, these guys have
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: been working on it for years before I got there,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: and there was really no no concept of what they
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: were doing.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: Did they explain to you why element one fifteen is
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: crucial to this working?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: What this role is?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: So element one fifteen was not even really discussed back
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: when you were doing this as well. It wasn't even
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: discovered or proven physically until there was a large Hadron
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: collider experiment in the two thousands.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: No, I know they they synthesize that, but look, and
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: you know in any element there is always there's always
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: a large amount of.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Well it did it doesn't decay? There's Yeah, that was.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: In the Large Hadron Collider experiment. They were able to
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: achieve it, but it only existed for a few milliseconds.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I've got too much.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: So did they how did they define this material?
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: No, there's I mean there's different isotopes of of every
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: element and element one fifteen, just like any other element. Uh,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: there can be a stable version of it and a
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: hundred or fifty different unstable elements to them.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, no, no, just trying to continue the
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: train of thought.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: So it's basically different isotopes of it.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, different isotopes. I need to stop drinking this.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: I have a couple I can't.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: I can't even remember.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh we got coffee.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my god? All right, holy, now there you go.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: Let hope.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's I mean, there's there's different isotopes.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: And you were able to physically touch this element.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I was physically able to touch the element.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: But when you're physically able to touch it, there's no
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: adverse effects. It doesn't have any effect on the It
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: feel like metal?
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Does it feel like No, it looks it looks copper like.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's not as dark asper is, but
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: it's that color and I haven't seen an element like that.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: It has unique properties that other elements don't have. It
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: produces an anti gravitational field.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: When combined with energy, with some kind of energy produced field. Yeah,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: And was it understood what is happening like, what is
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: the relationship between this element and this like? How is
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: what is going on? Like you're bombarding this element with something?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I from what we understood, we x rayed the
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: reactor itself and there was a path around it that
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: looked it made it look like a cyclotron, So it
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: looked like there was an accelerator.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: So when they were explaining it to you, is this
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: just your work partner, let's explain this too, It's just
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: And did you ask him how do you know this?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: Where are you getting this from?
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: It is just yeah, he got this information prior to me.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: And they x rayed found a structure in there to
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: where they believed it was an accelerator and it was
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: interacting the point of the wind. The one fifteen is
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: in a little triangular piece and it was interacting with
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: that in some fashion.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: So and did he say whether or not the United
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: States government or whoever was doing this research had tried
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: to recreate one of those on their own.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: That that was our job to try to recreate one
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: of those are on their own.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: But what was the metal that it was made out of?
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Again, the metal urgy was not, that was not.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: It seems insane that you couldn't communicate to them that
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: whatever this stuff is made out of, this whole thing
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: acts as one cohesive unit. It's not like you could
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: make the same exact thing with aluminium or carbon fiber.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: No, you can't. This thing acted differently. This thing acted
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: differently than any material that we knew. And I mean,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: I think all the answers are in the metallurgy guys.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: You know that's that's who knew what was going on.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Who is able to provide the answers. But as far
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: as we knew, if we didn't have the connection with
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: those other groups, we weren't really going to make any progress.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: You were speculating that there was a type of metallic
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: alloy that would work better with this concept. Was it byzantine? Like?
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: What was Smith?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: Bismuth?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: Yes? Did I say that? I don't think so.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: No, Someone someone the I talked to was explained.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: To me it's related to on the periodic table. I mean,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Chris Smith is above it and below it. But we
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: never did see any correlation between bismuth. This was a
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: completely new material.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: Well I think, oh that's what it was. Oh, this
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: is what it was. So one of the pieces that
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: Gary Nolan had found that was Gary Nolan is the
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: guy to Stanford that has examined these pieces that are
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: from supposedly crashed sites, crash sites where something had gone
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: down and scattered some of these pieces. They're atomically layered,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: and I've heard that magnesium and bismuth seemed to be prevalented.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Bismith is the thing. Yeah, bismuth is the thing. It's
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: right above one fifteen on the periodic chart. And there's yeah,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: there's something about that. There's something about one fifteen.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird magnetism stuff with bismuth. There's a video
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: from the Action Lab the strange magnetism of bismuth.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's diamagnetic.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so let him play it out a little bit.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: Let's try to.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: Find those what is diamagnetic.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: Diamagnetic is opposes magnetic fields.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: So it kind of makes sense if they're finding these
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: pieces that are the way he's explaining the way he's
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: explaining this. Whatever, this alloy was this very small piece
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: that was found I believe in prior to the nineteen seventies.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: I don't remember the exact date that he's had from
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: one of these crash. One of them was from Brazil
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: that they had recovered and someone had gotten possession of
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: it in the nineteen nineties, and someone had gotten it
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: eventually to Gary Nolan, he said, to create this on Earth.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: First of all, it can't be done with current technology.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: We don't have the ability to do the layering technology,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: and that it would cost billions of dollars just theoretically
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: to make this and it doesn't exist. Yeah, this is
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: it alleged extraterrestrial metal. The bottom of a wedgechased craft
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: in nineteen forties twenty six alternating layers one to four
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: microns dark bismuth with one hundred to two hundred microns
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: silver magnesium zinc alloy. Each piece received from the US
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: Army source were formed with a curvature that tapered.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: In in the forties. Yeah, right, that good luck, Machan.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: I mean it says that waste point wedge shaped craft
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: in late nineteen forties. That's roswell. I mean, that's that's roswell.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what what does it do? I would
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: like to see the test results of just the material.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: We can make that now we can, Yeah, one to
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: four microns of bismuth, two hundred microns of silver. Yeah.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: The thing is like, making something like that in the
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: nineteen forties is absolutely no.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: In the forties forget impossible. But I mean now we
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: could fabricate something.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: Like that and it would cost a shitload of money.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: So like the idea that you would make something like
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: that and just scattered around.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: But what but what does it do?
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: What does it do?
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: Why is magnesium and bismuth why in that particular array?
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: There is something about bismuth. There is something about bismuth.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: But that's that's why it's so fascinating. I would I
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: would love to know where they, Like it has been
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: forty years, I would love to know where they're at. Yeah,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: where they're out now if they continued, they.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: Had to have continued, I can't imagine. And we're done.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: No, I mean they may have moved it. I mean,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: like I like I said before, I mean they were
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: anxious to move it out of there at that time.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: But are you aware of the labyrinths in Egypt that
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: they discovered, So there's are.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: You talking about the columns columns?
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: No? No, no, this is unrelated. This is something different.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: So Herodotus discussed this. Now, my friend Ben van Kirkwick,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: he has an Uncharted X on YouTube. It's an amazing
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: channel where he was a tech guy who just got
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: absolute fascinated by all these stories of ancient history and
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: really got obsessed with Egypt and Peru and and left
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: his field and started making these incredible videos. But he's
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: highly intelligent, incredibly articulate, and so these videos are just
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: absolutely fantastic, and really he's he's very well versed scientifically,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: so you can understand these things and explain them to
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: you like they're examining like the construction of the pyramids
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: and the whatever technology was used to carve the stones,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: and there's just so much of it that is like
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: confusing because it's.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: It clearly is like a very high level.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: Of sophistication and technology that's involved in creating these things. Well,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: Herodotus describe these labyrinths that were underground in Giza, not
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: not in Giza, but Juara. Is that where it was?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: Jami'll find it. But this these the way Heraduds described it,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: He said they were far superior and more impressive than
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: the Pyramids of Giza. Underground, well, these massive labyrinths that
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: exist underground were all flooded in the nineteen sixties accidentally
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: when they created dams in order to provide irrigation to
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: agriculture that was in the area. So they changed the
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: water table, fucked it up. This whole area got flooded.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: Did they know they were there when they accidentally, No.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: They didn't because a lot of this stuff like this
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: is from thousands and thousands of years ago. A lot
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: of it was covered over with sand, and you know,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: there had been some explorers a long time ago that
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: went there and saw some of what was in there.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: But the way Herodotus described it, it's just absolutely fantastic.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: So then they started using ground penetrating radar, and they
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: started using these various technologies that could detect what was
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: under the surface. And one of the things that they
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: found was there's a massive atrium and inside this man
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: is a mess. There is a four thirty meter long
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: metallic object that is inside this atrium. Forty meters of
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: some unknown metal.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: How deep is it?
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: I believe it's one hundred meters into the ground.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: So you're telling me ground penetrating radar can get to
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: one hundred meters underground.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: Stuff that with felipa BONDI is used from satellites. Again,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: that we were talking more than a kilometer into the
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: ground and.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: With decent resolution.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: Well, no, not decent resolution, but enough that you could
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: see symmetry enough that they can also detect things that
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: are well known one hundred chambers. Well, listen to this.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: They got they detected accurately a particle collider in Italy
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: that is inside of a mountain one point two kilometers
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: below the mountain. It sees through the mountain and can
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: detect this thing in the exact diameter, the exact dimensions
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: that this thing exists, so they can show you.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: And yes, a particle collider.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, so this is a particle clide that they know exists. Right,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: So this is an actual particle colider.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: They're looking for it so that they just.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: It's just proof that this technology is not.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Just Oh wait, I mean, hang on, I mean, how
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: do they know what's a particle collide? No?
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: Well, no, the particle collider exists. This is the Italians
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: have this particle collider. It's known they made it.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: It's like they.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: No, it's not like we found a particle clid. No no, no,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: no no.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: So this particle collider.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: They use this technology to show that you can see
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: straight through this mountain to this particle collider that's underneath
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: the mountain. So they know the exact dimensions of this
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: particle collider. You could see you can almost draw us
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: schematic of it.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: Through this technology, they've also found these columns that are
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: below the pyramids. These columns are twenty two meters twenty
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: plus meters in diameter, and they have something that resembles
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: coils around all of them, and they're positioned at various
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: points all around where the structure is. It goes all
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: the way down into hundreds of meters down and then
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: it goes to another structure, and the whole complex of it,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: these structures goes to over a kilometer into the ground.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: But how can you see a kilometer underground?
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: Well, you'd have to understand this technology. It was it
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: called radio tomography.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: He explained it to synthetic aperture radar.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: Right, yes, well, whatever they.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Stand in a kilometer or underground a decent resolution.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: It's not decent resolution, but it's enough to understand the
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: scope of what it is. It's enough to understand where
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: spaces are.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: And everybody knows about this, but me.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty fascinating.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: I'll send you the podcast and I'll send you some
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: of his conferences where he was explaining this to room
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: fulfills with scientists.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: You would think they'd be anxious to dig this up.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: They are, And there's there's there's actual like studies that
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: are currently being discussed. Well, they already know that there's
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: these channels that go in the ground that have since
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: been covered with silt and sand because you know, the
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: sands constantly move. But these things go hundreds of meters down,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: these shafts that go down.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: As they find hundreds of if they find shafts hundreds
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: of meters out the foils around them, Look, that's advanced
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: technology exactly.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: This is the point.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: This is the point, whatever this thing is that they
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: have in an atrium. Like if they said that they
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: got that craft from an archaeological dig I mean, what
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: maybe the Egyptians had found something similar to this thousands
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: and thousands and thousands of years ago.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: I believe that's possible.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well the object that you're I didn't. I actually
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: got to speak to Filippo Biondi, by the way, because
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: in Italy's and Rome we got to speak Italians, we
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: got to talk, and we talked about that. I had
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: no idea they found something with a metal object down there. Though.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: This is not Felipa Beyondi's work. Oh, this is some
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: different scientists that are just studying the labyrinths. Jamie pull
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: up some really schematics of the labyrinth.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: So in the labyrinth, there's like a a large atrium.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: You gotta p again, go ahead, sorry, head up, yeah, dah,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: I feel like a don't worry.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: About it, it's a mare.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: Clear your head. So in this in this labyrinth, there's
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: a large atrium, and in this large atrium, there is
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: essentially a tic tac, really a tic tac shaped object
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: that is forty meters long, that is of some unknown metal.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: They don't know what it is, they don't know how
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: it works. But this is this structure is all underground
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: in Egypt.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: Which is wild because and how how it's one hundred meters.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: Well, look, well, we'll get a chance to look at it.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: This is Houara.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: So so there it says the forty meter metallic objects.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: See that where it says Juarah. So if you click
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: on that, it talks about the forty meter metallic object
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: discovered in Egyptians can't I can't read a report sub
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: terranal and elaborrinthing.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people talking about it, right, got it?
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: But so whatever it is, play out some of the
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: video just so we could talk about it. So this
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: this whole thing. If you see some of the images
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: that they're discussing friends, I think.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: And today we're about the work that I Chicago, huh,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: and the team that was in Poland as well. And
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: at that point is when I had met the person
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: who sin the Lobos, who later became my wife six
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: months later. So yeah, you you actually we're working with
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: the NRIG and then the.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is not going to help us. But if
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: you could just go to some of the images where
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: they've sort of outlined, I would.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: Just find it that's there is not a very clear
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: image of the metallic object.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: That no, that's fine, but just the labyrinth itself, what
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: they think the structure of it was.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know where they got this from. Is also
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: the forty mystery metal object that's a weird rendering that
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 4: doesn't usually come out from the.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: Right, but there's some other drawings of like from the
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: Herodotous days, and so this is what they think it
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: looks like under the ground, which is fucking completely bonkers.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: And if there is some forty meter metallic object that's
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: under the ground, and we are talking about like this
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: sport model being a part of an archaeological did right,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: they might have found something back then that would worship
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: that thing and had that things like you know.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Turned it into this right as a pure Yeah, I
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: think there's something to that.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: Well there, you know, all these people that believe that
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: there was an incredibly advanced civilization before some sort of
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: apocalyptic disaster that reset civilization and it took thousands of years,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: and what we are essentially is not the first advanced
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: civilization but a rebuild, a rebuild thousands and thousands and
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: thousands of years later. You know, that rings true with me.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: And as Graham Hancock always says, we're a species with amnesia,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: and I think that makes sense. And I think if
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: you're dealing with people that were basically knocked back into
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: the Stone Age eleven twelve thousand years ago, and it
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: took us forever to rebuild to where we are now.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: I think we've gone down a completely different path than whatever.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: The people that were able to build the Pyramids of
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: Egypt and all these fantastic megalithic structures where we don't understand, Yeah,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: what technology we used, we don't and it doesn't it
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: literally doesn't make sense that they were able to do this.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: It's even like when we see those big gigantic stones
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: and they're not just piled together, they're like interlocked in
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: weird shapes and all that. How did that happen? I
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: mean that, you know, those are things that yeah, I
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: agree with you.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, archaeologists are very reluctant to admit it, but there's
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: tremendous evidence that not only were these people far more
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: advanced than we think people should have been back then,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: but they're probably more advanced than we are now with
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: some different kind of technology.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: And maybe again it's like it's like advance but in
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: a different way, right right, the other different pathway.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: They didn't go our way. Yeah, they didn't go internal
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: combustion engine and electronics.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: Because we would see something exactly right.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: But might not. If you're thinking about one hundred thousand
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: years ago, there might not be anything left, which is part.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: Of the problem.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: But whatever this metallic object is, if they are able
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: to figure out a way to divert some of the water,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: there see all layers converge in a central corridor or avenue,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: he said, like the atrium of shopping mall, where you
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: could see all floors from one vantage point. A hall
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: consisting of a massive space forty meters wide and no
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: less than one hundred meters long. My personal interpretation, Tim said,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: is that the entire hall was constructed to have a
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: centrally positioned, freestanding object about forty meters long.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: So this hall they believe was constructed to how's whatever
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: this forty meter long unknown metallic objection?
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: How could they not dig that up?
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: They could, but it's going to cost an immense amount
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: of money. And the thing is about the Egyptians, the
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: people that run it. I had one of them on
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: the podcast, Zahi Hawas, and he's incredibly dogmatic about his
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: ideas of who built this and what and when you say,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: how did they make these structures? Two million, three hundred
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: thousand stones the way between two and eighty tons, the
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: biggest stones cut from quarries that were hundreds of miles
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: away through the mountain, And it's like this was a national.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: Project, but the Egyptians did because they were awesome. Yeah,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they were awesome.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they were awesome. But it doesn't explain the
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: technology involved, because there's extreme technology just to be able
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: to cut those things. Like one of the things that
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: they don't understand is these vases, these vases that they
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: made that are perfectly perfectly designed, where there's the difference
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: between like the edges and the symmetry is like a
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: thousandth of a human hair, and these are cut out
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: of incredibly hard granite.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: They don't really I've never heard. Yeah, yeah, this.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: Is a three D print of one of them that exists.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're fascinated by the perfection and they're saying,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: how did they do that? We don't even know. It's
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: incredibly hard stone.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: Was an incredible precision, yes.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: And incredibly granted.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: Incredibly hard granted incredible precision back when they had no
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: metal alloys, they had copper tools. It doesn't make any sense,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: none of it makes any sense. And then there's the
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: symmetry involved in some of these statues, Like they're perfectly
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: symmetrical in terms of the distance between the eyes, the nose,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: the lips. Most no one's face is symmetrical. Your left
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: side of your face is different. If you combine the
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: two sides that they look it looks weird. But when
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: you look at these statues, these statues which are massive,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: carved out of granite, again supposedly before they had steel, like,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: they didn't have diamond tipped instruments to do this. They
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: polished them. They're perfectly symmetrical and massive. Some of them
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 3: are a thousand tons, and they don't have any understanding
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: of how these people built these things or put them there.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: And they all seem to be the biggest, most spectacular
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: ones are the oldest.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: How could you not want to dig those up? Yeah, well,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: look and look at them. Pare's. I mean, they're concerned
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: about national pride. But if you dig them up.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: It's not just national pride, it's the pride of the
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: people that have been espousing this one narrative for so long.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: That's part of the problem, the gatekeepers of the information.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: It's still national pride.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: It is, but these people are idiots. That's part of
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: the problem, Like they their own ego is preventing them
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: from being open minded and calling out to the world's
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: research communities and saying, listen, there's something going on here.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: We don't have the big picture. We have a picture
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: that we have formed from a limited amount of information,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: and we've been incredibly arrogant about what we're assuming. We
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: also know that a lot of these pharaohs would carve
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: their name and carve their hierd glyphs into existing things.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: They would claim existing things. Some of the carvings on
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 3: these things are far cruder in the way they've done
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: it than the actual construction of the thing. And they
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: think that these are old things that were there already,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: and then these later pharaohs chiseled their hieroglyphs into these things.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: And another thing, and this has been mentioned a lot,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: is the fact that there's no tools that were ever
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: discovered in those areas that would prove that those things,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: that those things were made with them and they had
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: to use tools have something, so there's not even that
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: that's not even available. So it's like, how did they
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: do it? Did they hide the tools, did they I mean,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: why would they do that?
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: It doesn't none of it makes any sense. And also
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: these incredibly hard vases that you find, they're the oldest ones.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: They're the things that they find in the oldest sites.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: It's like the most complicated, complex, confusing technology seems to
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: be the oldest stuff. There's also like.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: You had another guy here that does research on Peru
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: and he was talking. I can't remember his name. I
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: got to meet him.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: Luke Caverns was it him?
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes to Peru and he has a show
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: about that about the ancient stuff that they're finding underground
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: in Peru. There's a couple guys. What was the other guy?
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: He he's got black hair. Kim remembers his name.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: That's Luke.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: Younger guy, Yeah, younger guy, that's Luke. So basically he
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: was talking about the fact that there's two layers of
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: ancient stuff in Peru, the first layers younger and what's
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: below it is what's really incredible and more complex, more complex.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: But they don't want to go there because you're going
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: to destroy an existing archaeological site that's on top of it.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: So what's happening is they're having trouble now getting permission
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: to go to the lower level with which is even
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: better because they're going to have to break an archaeological
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: site of a more recent part of that civilize.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: Well, this is a common theme among people. We build
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: on older sites. There's a place that I go to
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: in Italy in the Amalfi coast and there's this incredible
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: old church there that's over a thousand years old, but
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: it's built on an even older church, and there's a
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: plexiglass floor that shows the church and the old church
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: is underneath it, and you can see the structure of
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 3: this old church. And I was asking them how old
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: is the old church? They go, we don't know. It's
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: over a thousand years old, so it's over a thousand
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: years old as church. And then there's really old church
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: is on top of it that's like hundreds and hundreds
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: of years old also, but they built it on top
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: of an existing structure. So this is a common theme.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: This is a theme in Peru where you see the
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: inca construction, which is like much less complicated, smaller stones,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: you know, mud mortar, but it's on top of these
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: megalithic structures that are carved in these jigsaw shapes where
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: it seems like they've been melted. Yeah, it's freaky stuff.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: They have no understanding of what technology was used, who
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: did it, how they did it, how they move these
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: immense thousand tons stones and cut them with precision in
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: this jigsaw way so that you will absorb the energy
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: of earthquakes and not fall down.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of that stuff that's really
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: really freaky. And then you get into old religious texts,
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: and that's when things get really freaky. You get to
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: things like the Book of Enoch that talk about the
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: watchers who came down from the sky and freezing.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: A lot of unusual stuff happened a long time, a
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: long time ago.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: And we don't have a good record of it. We
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: just have what we know, and what we know we
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: get very arrogant about. We know what happened three hundred.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: Years That's a really good point. What we know we
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: get very arrogant about, right, And it's anything else.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: The acid and these people that are in charge of
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 3: the narrative, like the people in Egypt, where they're very
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: arrogant and they're gatekeepers because their whole identity is based
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: on them being the ones that explained to the world
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: how these incredible sites were produced. And if something comes
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: along that is counter to that narrative, they fight it.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: They fight it because it's part of them, it's their identity.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: When I spoke to Philippo Biondi, I talked to one
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: of my cousins in Italy. I spent a lot of
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: my time in Italy when I was younger. One of them.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: She was younger than I was when I was there,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: but she's now become a respected archaeolog archaeologist in Rome,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: and she's an Egyptologist, okay, And I went out to
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: Italy to visit family, and I was sitting at the table.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: This is not even that long ago, and she's sitting
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: next to me, and I mean, I remember her from
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: being a kid, and she nudged me at the table.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: There's her family's all academic. Everybody's a doctor or scientist
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: or something like that, so there's always that pride of
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: the science. And she nudges me, and in Italian she says,
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: I'm really interested in what you do, what you're looking into,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: And I knew what she meant. It was about UFOs,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: and I just responded, I mean I'm even more interested
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: in what you know about what's out there in Egypt.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: And she looked at me and she says, we don't
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: really know all of it. Some a lot of she said,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of it makes no sense. But she said
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: it whispering because she knew that that's not well seen
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: at the table, because now she's going to come across
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: as this pseudoscience type of like, oh my god, she's
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: going to come out of the mainstream, you know. So
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: and then she she came, she went to her place,
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: and I was still there. We were there for a
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: couple of days. She came and gave me a little
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: book and in Italian, I don't know how to say
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: it even that the the missing I don't know how
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: to say it in English, but the Missing Vangael like
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: the missing scriptures. Basically, it's a little book in Italian
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: about the missing scriptures that are not in the Bible,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: that speak of things that are not convenient for what
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: we are arrogant to think we understand.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: And one of the fascinating things about these missing scriptures
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: is they found them alongside existing scriptures. So when they
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 3: found the Dead Sea scrolls in Cumron, so they found
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: these in a cave in Cumron. It's kind of a
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: crazy thing, like someone threw a rock and hit a
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: clay pot and heard the shattering of a clay pot.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: So they threw a rock.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: Into this high cave and realized there was something in there,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: and then they started looking, and then they found these
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: scrolls that were in these clay pots. Inside the scrolls
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: they found the Book of Isaiah. It was a thousand
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: years older than the oldest version of the Book of
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: Isaiah that we had ever found, and it's identical verbatim
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: to the Book of Isaiah that is currently in the Bible.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: Along with it is the Book of Enoch. And the
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: Book of Enoch is fucking squirrely.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: World.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and a good way to describe it.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: Just a few rabbis decided that the Book of Enoch
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: was too weird because it didn't jive with the Torah,
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: so they left it out of the biblical canons, right,
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: that's why it's not taught. But the Book of Enoch
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: is readily available. You could read it, and it's also
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: in the Ethiopian Bible. The Ethiopian Bible includes the Book
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: of e Yes, and those are the people that supposedly
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: are in possession of the Arc of the Covenant, which
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: is like Graham Hancock talks about it, there's like a
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: person is set to like they have a job of
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: watching the Arc of the Covenant, but it's known that
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: it's going to kill them, so they all get cataracts
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: and cancel, well as some sort of radiation apparently, and
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: they exhibit signs of radiation poisoning. When these people are
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 3: designed to be the curators.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: Where is the Ethiopia supposedly in Ethiopia. So you guys
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: think that's.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I think it's ancient technology.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's probably ancient technology. It's probably some
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: completely not understood ancient technology.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not discounting it. I'm just I'm just wondering.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I like the.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: Fact that you're skeptical, even though you have the craziest
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: fucking story.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: Of Yeah, but.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: It speaks to your integrity, It really does, because you're
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: not a guy who believes cookie shit. So for you,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: a guy who doesn't believe kookie shit is a hard
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: rational scientist who's an engineer who's done things like put
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: a rocket engine in the back of a fucking Honda
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 3: and then or a hydrogen powered corvette. And then you
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: go and see these things, You're like, wait, what what
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: the fuck is this thing?
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: You have worship technology, right, nothing else, right, So I
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: mean to hear something like that, it's do you think
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: that that that actually exists?
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Graham Hay is convinced it exists. It's
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: very carefully guarded, and these people been guarding it for cential.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's throughout history, right, So.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's too many missing pieces of the puzzle
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: to really say one way or another.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think whether or not it was just yeah
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: mythology or an actual.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: But it is weird that he's talked to these people
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: that have these fucking cataracts, and these people all say
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: the same thing. They die the people that are designed
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: or that are designated to be the curators of this
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: particular religions.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: I relate this back to it. I think I told
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: you the first time we met, you know, if somebody
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: found a nuclear reactor back at that time, you know,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: and they took it apart, they just would drop dead,
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: you know from the rat Yeah, magically from that and
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: anybody that came in to check on them would also
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: die and they go, this is evil evil, it's cursed
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: And something that you're not supposed to have access to
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: because there's.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: Some other ye, and get this to be something at
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: another level.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know that I have to say, and I
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: mean I'm the one to say it, but I struggle
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: with divine stuff because I'm like it, this, this craft
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: or this technology. I mean our phones to somebody a
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: thousand years ago would look like some divine object. I mean,
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: it's technology to us. So we have to be very
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: cautious in I'm not saying there is no divine something.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe there is, we don't know. But I think technology
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: really could mask itself as divine.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: Power or divine energy itself could be technology taken to
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: its final form.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: That's that I'm open to.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 3: Well, if you think about what we're talking about with
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: sentient AI, an AI that has the ability to make
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: better versions of itself, what happens if it's left alone, yeah,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 3: for a thousand years to do this?
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: Well, what do you have?
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: You have something that can harness the power of the
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: universe itself. It's access to zero point energy, can do whatever.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, has a complete understanding of qant quantum entanglement,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 3: complete understanding of how the universe functions, how it was created.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: I mean there's new theories that believe that the entire
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: universe itself exists inside of a black hole. You're trying
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: to figure out whether or not there ever was a
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: big bang, or if it's a continuous cycle of things
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: existing inside black holes.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: So where do you think we are? What do you
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: think this is?
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's a process. I think we're we're at
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: a stage of a process. Our problem is we have ideology,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: we have we have dogma, we have ego. We have
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: people that are smarter than most people but want to
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: think that they have all the information and I don't
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: think they do. And then we have open minded people
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: that are curious but don't want to look like kooks,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: and they're all trying to figure it out while we're
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: making a fucking digital God.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: Why these weirdo on the spectrum?
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: We are literally manufacturing our own guys. Right, yeah, right,
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: But if we are, If.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: You take that and you extrapolate, you go from where
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: it is now you think about the exponentially increase of technology,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: where does that go? It kind of goes divine. I
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: mean that might be what God is. We want to
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: think that God is a thing that exists. It just exists.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: It created everything. Maybe we make God.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're on the same channel. Yeah, I think
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: we created we. I think we created God.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: I think human curiosity and this thirst for innovation is
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: all part of it.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: I'll say something about the technology because it always fascinates me.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I spent four years with Bobinett to build
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: it in a virtual environment, so I kind of had
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: to think about it while I'm doing it. But if
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: you really think about what this technology that you saw does,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: it essentially creates this artificial field of whether it's art,
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: maybe it's natural. Maybe it's a natural field, but it
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: creates a field that we're not familiar with. And that field.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, Joe, you saw the movie. There was a
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: test that was done in the lab that froze a
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: candle flame. Right, Okay, but the but the photons are
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: still visible within our realm here outside of the field,
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: and you're still seeing the photons, yet it looks like
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: it's frozen. To me, is this is that technology like
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: a black hole? Is it some type of time stop?
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: And they and it basically gives us the power to
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: utilize time in our advantage. If you think about progression
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: in technology, anything we do it takes time. Anything takes time,
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: whether it's computing power. We're now we're seeing quantum computers
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: do things that they're faster and faster, and they can
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: do a trillion processes in an instant and Japan is
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: coming up with better and than China. But because everything
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: has to do with how long does it take to
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: do that? If a technology can make you bypass time,
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: it's like the record player playing music, but you're now
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: able to lift it, lift the little pin on the
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: record and move it to wherever you want, Yes, and right,
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: and now at that point, time is in your hands.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: And if we have a technology similar to what you saw,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: because you always said gravity is a control time, it's
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: interlocked right in space and time exactly. So if that's interlocked,
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: then we have to look at it not just as
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: a propulsion system or some type of cool weapon, but
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: how is it affecting time? And how can we use
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: that to our benefit to evolve, sorry, to evolve faster,
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: because again, the faster we can compute, the faster we
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: could do something. The faster we're evolving. And if we
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: could lift that needle and bring it faster to get there,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: to get somewhere, why not use it?
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: Or well, I mean, should we be allowed to do
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: that us in our Yeah, Like I said, I'm not
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: exactly on our side anymore.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: Well, that was one of the you remember Jamie who
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: discussed the way they were describing the use of some
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: of this alien technology as instantaneous weapon deployment systems.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure we should be trusted with this stuff really.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: Well, really, you think about what we're doing in Iran
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: right now, you would say.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, right, I would say.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: No, we're still flying over patches of dirt and bombing
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: the fucking shit.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: No, imagine if we had something a million times that power. Really,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: humans should not be trusted with that.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: Right, trusted to AI. That's what we're making it bomb.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: This is this is getting scary.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: But it's not science fics. No, no, it's not.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: I mean we're making fun of it now, but no,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: this is this is dangerous stuff. And I'm you know,
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry for the people who think this is all
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: a joke. It's not. This is real. Yeah, and I'm
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: really not sure we should be trusted with this. That's
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: maybe why for forty years or sixty years people have
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: agreed to keep it quiet.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: I would agree, And and well that's the most logical conclusion.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is incredibly dangerous stuff. And again it's world
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: dominating technology. And I don't know what to do with
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: it other than to keep it from people.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: So and how do we know if it comes out?
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: Something I always struggle with is let's say they date,
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: Let's say we do get in a a some type
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: of thing saying all right, we have we have to
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: see it from somebody in the government, the president, whoever
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: that says, okay, here we are we have this. Well,
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: first of all, we have to validate it. The journalist
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: starting the whole world.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: Nobody's going to the media.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: Is not going to just trust somebody saying that. They're
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: gonna go okay, wait a minute, what are you talking about? Right,
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: So it's not like because somebody says it, we just
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: have to swallow it. It's like, all right, go show
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: us right, yeah, and then when you do that, well,
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: now you're exposing something else. What do we what what
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: happens when we need to believe it, like as as
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: a as a as people, what what has to happen.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: For me to believe something that somebody says, there really
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: has to be something serious that makes me believe it, right,
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like some if a president
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: or anybody, prime minister, whoever it is, says something to
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: me else, they'll go like, okay, I mean show me, right,
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: and then they when they show it, how do I
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: know that's actually that? Think about that?
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: Right? And then from there we now have to go
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: to another level of Okay, well, if we have to
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: prove it, we have to bring in scientific community. Okay,
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: that means they have access to it. What's the security
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: param there? Right?
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 3: And then you get compartmentalism exactly right, and then that
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: stops and then sort of an understanding there you go.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: And that's why you have this stagma, this this stagnation
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: of where you've got these people working on this thing
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: for decades and not making any progress.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: Because you know how far we could have gotten if
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: there was free discussion between all the groups working on this, right, Yeah.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 3: But then you also have these fucking psychos like from
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: doctor Strangeloves that want to turn it into a nuclear
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: delivery system. Yeah, so why you don't have to worry
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 3: about them detecting nuclear bombs headed their way. You just
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: instantaneously devastate Moscow in one shot. You don't have to
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: take credit for it. Yeah, but we right, No, it's
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: like we are not ready, right.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we're not ready, but we'd be more
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: advanced if we did that. No, I mean I agree that,
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: But it's all very strange, and no one knows more
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: strange than you.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: Like, No, there are plenty of people that know more
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: strains than me. I mean, Dennis knew more strains than me.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: Anybody above him knew that. I just knew a small
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: part of it.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: But you, out of all the people that can talk
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: about it, that are out there communicating about it, you
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: have actually seen it physically.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: I try to only talk about what I've seen and
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: touched and verified. I've heard plenty of other stuff that
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true or not. And there's
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: no sense in repeating that, because nonsense moves at the
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: speed of light these right, Yeah, it does, And that's
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: that's just it's terrible.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: You live in a weird existence, Bob, You really do,
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 3: because you're you know, you've been holding onto this and
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 3: you have this experience from forty years ago, that's just
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 3: become a part of folklore. It's become part of the zeitgeist.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: Like this is why your podcast that we did is
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 3: the most watched podcasts I've ever done. This resonates with
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 3: people in a way that Look, I've done a lot
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 3: of UFO ones I had Travis Walton on, I've got
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that have stories. They're all very interesting.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 3: They don't get nearly the amount of traction that yours does.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: And I think it's because you're uniquely credible. You're uniquely
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: credible in the fact that you are very skeptical. You're
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 3: not interested in like these fantastic ideas. You're you're very
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: dismissive of nonsense. But yet you have this burden, like
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 3: you actually physically touched these fucking things and went and
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: said I did.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was fortunate enough to have this really
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: unique job. That that's about it, and I am fascinated
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: with the technology. But that's where it stops. I'm not
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: interested in anybody else's story, although everybody has to email me,
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: and you know, I understand it. You know that they're
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: looking for somebody. Hey, I saw this thing out when
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: I was on my boat, and you know, what is it?
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I mean, they're they're they're
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: they're just looking for something and it's I don't know,
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: maybe it was venus or something. And oh my god,
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: you suck. You know, you work for the you know,
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: it's like, dude, I'm just looking for a prosaic explanation.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, but I only know what I saw
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: and I touched for myself and everything else, even in
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: official government documentation, it's just words on paper. I don't
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: know if that stuff is true. So you got to
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: draw the line there. Yes, but you know I know
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: what I what I did see, I know for a fact,
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: and there is no way you can tell me that
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: that's not real.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have to say in having worked
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: with him and having you know, inadvertently, there's no way
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: that myself where people on my team weren't trying to
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: dig deeper in front. Maybe there's a problem, Maybe there's
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: going to be a gap, Maybe we'll find something wrong
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: with the story. Because we went we went very deep
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: with the build s for it to build a sport model,
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: and there were things that happened over the years, things
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: that he had said to us before we had built
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: it that there's no way he could have known because
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: there were physicalities, real things that we built. When you
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: build something in a three D environment, you're actually building
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: a real world. It's got light bounce and refractions like
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: the real world. Like when you turn on the light,
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: it does the same thing. If a material has a sheene,
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: you see it, it's literally the same thing. It's just
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: computing power that gives you access to another world. And
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: he mentioned things that were absolutely impossible to know, and
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: one of the things that got two things really convinced me.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: One of them was in the interior of the craft.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: You had said to us it was very dark in there.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 2: And while Bob is explaining to us this interior of
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: the craft, then many times he kept repeating it was
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: really dark in there. Halogen lights, right, And so at
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: a certain point he says, as I'm crawling in, there's
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: like these extension chords and I remember going extension chords
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: like it then hadn't computed, And he's like, yeah, they
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: had lights in there, and I'm thinking it's true. I mean,
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: there's no light switch inside this big thing. It's fifty
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: fifty two feet it's big, and so he said, yeah,
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: there were two big industrial yellow industrial lights with four
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: spots each pointed up, and so we decided to make those.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: We decided to research the type that were used back
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: then in the United States, especially on military basis, the
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: halogen power, because it was this halogen in nineteen eighty eight.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: And we turned them on.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: And it was still dark and it was super dark.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: And I remember Christopher Matto, by the way, A big
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: shout out to Christopher Matto, that's on my team who
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: made a lot of those visuals, and he's like a magician,
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: he's the best. He's there. And I said, Chris, turn
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: on the lights. We have to film in the craft.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: And he's like, they're on. I said, they're not fucking on.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: I can't see anything. He's like, they're fully on. And
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: I said, well that that doesn't make any sense. It's
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: so dark in there. Yeah, I remember thinking it so light,
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: and so we upped the power of the light so
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: that you could see more, and it was still dark,
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: and I thought, what the hell is happening. I goes there, Bug,
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: is it is there something wrong? He goes, no, I
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: don't know. It's it's absorbing the light in there. We
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: had to up the light intensity on those tripods by
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: twentyfold in order for you to see the visuals you
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: see in our film. Otherwise it would be really dark
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: in that crowd.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 3: So how did you compute that? Like what parameters did
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: you establish?
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: So what you do is you're you're inside a three
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: D environment. You're an actual three You're in a three
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: D world. Now we're inside the craft that is fifty
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: two feet in diameter. It's we bring a camera in there.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: So we were filming. The whole film was done with
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: the black Magic six kkm, so we would bring our
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: black magics in the three D environment. You can actually
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: set that so that we could film inside the craft,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: so it matches the filming of our real cameras. And
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: so as soon as the camera's on, it's the same lens,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: it's the same aperture. Everything is as you would have it,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: and so you're trying to adjust for this dark room.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: But if the room is really dark, you can't really
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: get a good look at it because if you go
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: close enough, you would have seen like a seat and
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit of the reactor, but you would have
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: been like, what's the black screen?
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at, So what is the explanation for why
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: it's so dark?
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: It's just the way the light reflects them.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: And that is exactly yeah, it's yeah when you're in
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: that space.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: But here's the question, like, what are you when you're
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 3: making this in a computer model, right right? What are
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 3: you putting in that would make it absorbed light that way?
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't do that. So what we did is we
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: spent over a year with Bob. I'm not kidding. It
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: was like a year of trying to figure out the
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: material of the craft, the actual skin of the craft.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: That was the hardest thing to do, with.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: The specularity and the reflectivity of the actual the angle. Yeah,
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: and then when the lights are in there, they just
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: reflected a weird angle and it never gets bright in
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: there unless you have a tremendous amount of light in there.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: It's always dark.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: And sorry to interrupt, but that would have been so
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: when when that happened and we have the right material,
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: which is like this, let's call it unpolished stainless steel.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: It's got a little bit of usage to it just
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: to give it some texture. It's it's as it's got
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: the same sheen reflection refractions of a real material like that,
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: because every time we put a fake light in there, okay,
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: it's reacting like that. And now you turn these big
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: halogen lights on and it's like the part of where
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: the halogen is hitting the ceiling of the craft because
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: they were turned upwards. Remember Bob said, they were not
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: pointed like this. They were pointed to the ceiling of
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: the craft. So you got two of them. It's like
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: wherever the light was going was getting eaten up by
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: that portion of the material. So it's not reflecting all
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: the ways. You have a fifty two foot distance and
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: it's being lost in a maybe seven eight foot diameter
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: environment area where the light is and we're like, why
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: is that happening? But that's how it does well, that's
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: the reality. He could not have known that if he's
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: trying to make that up. Anybody who's inventing a story
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: says there's two industrial light with four bright halogen spots
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: in there. A liar would not say it was really
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: dark in there. You don't know that. You have to
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: build it. So to me, that was a physicality of
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: being inside the craft that made me go. Lazarre could
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: not have known that if he was making that up.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't know it until you experienced exactly.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, unless Bob back then decided to go
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: in his garage build himself a fake dome, which I
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: don't think you did, I'm like, how would he have
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: known that? We didn't expect that. We were. We were
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 2: struggling with why is it so dark in there?
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: You make films using lighting.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and and Chris was like, dude, this thing is
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: just eating up the light. And I'm like, Bob kept
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: saying it's so dark in there, and it just how
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: do you? How do you? How is that possible?
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 3: What were the other things?
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: The other one? I laugh about this with Bob all
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: the time. It's about the flag on the craft that
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: you could have seen it, I don't remember. So when
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 2: he walked into the hangar the very first time, he saw.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: The very first the backwards flag.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: He saw the craft, and he saw the American reversed
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: American flag sticker on the craft.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: I wonder why I was reversed.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a sec I think I know,
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: but whatever, I'll say what I think. And there's a
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff I researched, a lot of stuff on
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: Bob Lazar before I did this, and there's a lot
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: of bad information out there, so I really, I really
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: tell people, if you really want to see what he saw,
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: don't go read what's out there. Check this out because
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: Bob actually vetted everything, so it's not the wrong information
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 2: you read. But anyway, there's a lot of detractors saying
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: there's no way Lazar could have seen that flag. If
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: the craft was that size and it was on the hull,
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 2: on the on the craft shell, there's no way the
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: angle he's five something, he wouldn't have been able to
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 2: see it. So we built it. We built a fifty
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: two foot diameter craft. We put it in the hangar.
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 2: It's there, and my team, Chris gives me the goggles,
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: the ones I made you try on, and it is
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: the very first time I go in there and I
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: know the craft is there, so I put them on.
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: And now they're hoping, because they're there with notes, they're hoping.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: I'm giving them all the notes on No, that's not good.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: That's not good. And the first thing I did is
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: I looked to my right, I'm looking at the craft
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: and I'm I asked Chris to put me at five
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: foot ten, which is your height. So I said, at
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 2: five ten, I'm Bob's height. With the goggles, I want
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: to see. And the first thing I said is, oh,
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: it's it. There it is, and they're like, there, what is?
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: I said the flag and they thought I was pointing
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: at a flag on a wall and they're like, there's
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: no flag in the hangar. I said no, on the
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: craft and they're like yeah, I said, you can clearly
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: see it. It was clear. That was something that also
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 2: made me go, yeah, this is it. This is the
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: real size. So had Bob Lazar not actually seen that.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: The majority of the detractors out there kept saying there's
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 2: no way at that angle a human eye could see
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: a sticker on the top of the craft, which is
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: on the top shelf.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: But you can.
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: It's as clear as day. So those were two things
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: that I considered to be like, you know, it's there.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: So I know to maybe maybe some people that's not
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: a lot, But as a person like I am, who's
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: very technical, I'm very very I'm super difficult. It took
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 2: a long time to do this because I'm a perfectionist
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to make sure it was accurate to
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: what he saw. I look at stuff like that because
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: I analyze everything like that, and I analyzed his story
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: inside out.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 3: And if you couldn't see the flag from that position.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: It would have been a big yeah. That would have
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: been a red flag for me. I would have been like, wait,
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 2: you can't see it, but you can, so you can.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: You can't put enough of a value on little details
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 2: like that. Because he didn't say this in twenty twenty six.
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 2: You said this in nineteen eighty nine.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: Right, Why why do you think the flag was reversed.
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 2: In American flag use law. The only thing we were
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 2: able to ascertain is the fact that on military or
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: on vehicles, anything military, on a uniform, if ever you
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: see an American flag on your right shoulder, it's reversed
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: because it's how the wind is blowing. The flag on
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: your left side, it's like the flag is because the
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 2: wind is blowing this way. If you look at vehicles,
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: let's say a Greyhound bus, they have American flags on
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 2: each side, and they have a normal one on the left,
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 2: one on the left side, and a reversed on the
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 2: right side. Because it's the right side of the vehicle, so.
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 1: It's blowing, it's because the wind is.
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: Blowing the flag that way. So the reversed American flag
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: is an actual it's the law of how to use
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: the flag in the United States military or on vehicles,
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: and it has to be like that on the right side.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: So to say, is that the right side of the craft? Yeah,
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 2: it must it must be, because if you go into
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: the craft, the seats when you're when you go into
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: the craft, I can't wait for you to go in
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: the craft. When you go inside, the seats are facing
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 2: the right side, meaning the hatch is the right side
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: of the craft. It's the only thing that came to mind.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, is that what they did at s Ford?
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: They fucking put a sticker on it. I mean, it's
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 2: the only logical thing we could think of. Is that's
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: why it was there? I don't know, I'm you know,
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: my other, my other, because if it was an American flat,
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: if it was just for identifying this as America, why
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 2: would you reverse it?
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 3: Right? Right, you're reversing it because it's indicating exactly.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's just an interesting.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it's all interesting. The goggles is a trip.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 3: Right when I put on the three d AR goggles
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 3: and you VR goggles rather than you stand in that warehouse,
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 3: that hanger, hang, look at it. It's very strange.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: It feels exactly like it was.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 3: It feels very weird. It feels very weird because I mean,
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 3: I'm only imagining what it's like to actually be you
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty eight and be standing.
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 1: There when you put the goggles on. That's exactly how
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 3: What did What did Dennis say when you first saw it?
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: He was like, eh, no, Dennis was hardcore.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah he was.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was here, look at that, you know, come
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 1: back in here. I mean it. There was no reaction. Barry,
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, was out of his mind. He
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: couldn't wait to show me stuff. And you know he
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 1: said check this out. Oh my god, that was that awesome,
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 1: you know. But Dennis was it was like a hardcore
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: military guy.
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 3: How much of a view did you get at the
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 3: other crafts, because it's one of the things in the
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 3: film you only see like hints of them.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: That was it.
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 3: That's it, that's it.
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: What us on the film is exactly what it was.
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: It was just a passing thing. And as I was
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 1: walking out there gone, wow, there's more. Everything looks different
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 1: and other than the first two hangars. I really couldn't
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: tell what was passed out there, but there were other
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: hangers and there were things inside them.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 3: But that's also interesting that at the time, in nineteen
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 3: eighty eight, this site was not even confirmed. This was like,
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 3: for you to have to know about this and know
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: the exact location of it is kind of strange.
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 1: Right now. Luigi did that. I mean, I gave him
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: the general idea. I said, you know, I know what
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: time I got out there, and I could see Papoos
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 1: Lake and behind me. He pulled up a lot of
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 1: stuff from there. But another interesting thing he pulled up
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: was there was an old silver mine exactly there in
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: the exact same place. And I wonder if they used
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: that as that it was already drilled. There was already
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Carter's.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: And I actually I actually held this for this show.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: What I'm about to say is first time ever. It's
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: not even it didn't make it in my film. I
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 2: wish it did, but it didn't make it in the film.
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 2: Veronica on our team. She's my sister. She's like my
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 2: right hand and if I didn't have her, wouldn't be
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: here right now. She found this and at a certain point.
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 2: We were looking at the maps out there, and you'll
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 2: see in my film that Gene Huff sent us some
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: US Department of the Interior official maps of that environment
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: at the Groom Lake Papou's Lake. But we weren't satisfied.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 2: We wanted to go deeper. We said, there's got to
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 2: be more. And there's one map in that is a
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: publicly available map. It's super not easy to find, by
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 2: the way, that is in the hands of the US
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 2: Department of the Interior. I could get it to you
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 2: if you want, I can email it to you. That
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 2: map is the oldest map of Papoose Lake known in
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: the hands of the government. That is public domain. That
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 2: map and everybody's going to be listening to this clearly
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: shows a road that goes right into where S four
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 2: was is. It doesn't show a road near it. It
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 2: shows a road going right in the mountain and they
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 2: removed it. That map is from nineteen forty one, okay,
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 2: right after that, the map is nineteen fifty and nineteen
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 2: fifty two, and those roads were removed. But the oldest
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 2: map we ever found, it's going to be available. We're
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 2: going to post it on our website. It's gonna be everywhere.
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 2: It shows, uh clear as day, a road that goes
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 2: right into the mountain exactly where Bob Lazaar said S
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 2: four was.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: So do you think that that was the road to
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 3: the silver mining is?
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 2: I believe that. Yeah.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 1: It makes sense that they would use an existing facility
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 1: and just enlarge it instead of start from nothing.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 3: Right of course, especially if it's ended.
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it also makes sense that if Roswell was real,
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 3: and if they really did find it crashed UFO in
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 3: nineteen forty seven, like in the nineteen fifties, they'd be like,
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 3: let's get rid of this fucking road, right, Yeah, if
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 3: we're putting this out there, if we're building this facility
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 3: out there, and if they did have it, that also
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 3: makes sense that they working on this for decades. You
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 3: come along in nineteen eighty eight, They've got this happening
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 3: in the nineteen fifties and it's still there.
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 2: I think what happened is when the CIA took over,
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 2: because CIA is one took over every they're the ones
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 2: at Area fifty one. I think what happened is as
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 2: they took over, they just removed the road. It wasn't
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 2: even because there was a us A flying saucer there.
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 2: I just think they got in there, took control of
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 2: that terrain, that whole landscape, and said remove it off
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 2: the maps because it's there prior to them taking ownership
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 2: of that land. So I mean, it's clear that there
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 2: was a road there and then they came in CI
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 2: said take it out. And S four might have had
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 2: already an installation, not it wasn't an installation, but they
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 2: probably had a tunnel in there already because they were
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 2: it was a mine, so it was an easier way
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 2: to build a big facility in the side of the hill.
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 2: Makes sense, It does make sense.
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 3: And then there's also the images that you got of
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 3: what looks like the hangar bay doors that are camouflaged.
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 2: And I have to say that again, that's all good.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 3: That technology. You'll fix that move your prostate trying you
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 3: into a fucking alien. So that that image that you
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 3: got of the unfortunately it's kind of blurry, but you
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 3: do see something that looks very similar to what you'd
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 3: expect to be camouflage garage bay doors.
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 2: I got contacted by a guy called Scott Mitchell, and
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 2: I was getting contacted by everybody Joe, everybody. Everybody was
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 2: trying to get in and find getting to make me
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 2: work with them or use something they found. So I
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: was I was ignoring nine percent of people's like is
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 2: getting tiring. Everybody like, you gotta listen to me. I
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 2: know stuff about that, And I'm like, whatever, I'm working
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 2: with Bob Bazaar. I have enough right now. But this guy,
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 2: we had built the base and I knew exactly where
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: it was. I knew exactly the layout. And this guy
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 2: he not only contacted me, but he sent me an
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 2: image that he had that he had drawn. He didn't
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 2: want to send me the real what he had found
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 2: that he says, here it is, this is where the
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 2: doors aren't this exactly where they point to. I looked
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 2: at the image and I said, not bad. I mean
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 2: he really nailed it in the image. And I thought, okay.
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 2: I at first I thought somebody on my team leaked something.
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 2: We had to be honest, I'm like, oh, who did that?
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 2: Who set out one of our renders to somebody? And
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 2: because that's what I thought, and they're like, no, no, no,
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 2: this is what. So I talked to this guy and
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 2: he's he's really really good at researching and he ended
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 2: up becoming probably one of the best I've ever like,
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 2: he's one of the best I've ever seen. His name
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 2: is Scott Mitchell, and he says there are pictures that
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 2: were taken in twenty twenty and they ironically those pictures
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 2: were taking on December twenty fifth, twenty twenty, which is
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 2: Christmas Day in the middle of COVID, which means the
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 2: base might have been shut down. If you think about that,
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, it's COVID, it's like
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 2: in the heat of it. Plus it's twenty it's twenty
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 2: twenty fifth of December. There's probably nothing going on there.
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 2: And this private pilot in a small CESSNAT requested access
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 2: inside the perimeter and they granted him permission and he
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 2: had a big nikon camera on board with a big
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 2: telescopic zoom, and he took a shit ton of pictures
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 2: and they're amazing. They're all public, they're all available, you
• 2:46:22
  Speaker 2: can download them. And there's this these pictures of Papooslake
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 2: in the Hill, but they were being used on the
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 2: internet for a long time. Everybody's like, you see, Bob
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 2: Azars is a fraud, it's not real. There's nothing there well,
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 2: of course you can't see it. It's first of all,
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 2: seventeen miles away. And secondly, they're not designed for you
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 2: to see it. And that also let's talk about something
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 2: that Bob was talking about in nineteen eighty eight. The
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 2: picture was taking in twenty twenty. I mean, there could
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 2: be a that could be a different landscape now anyway,
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 2: So he said, look this image, if you changed the contrast,
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 2: you got to keep original, but just move and try
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 2: to extract data from your image. You know, anybody who
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 2: knows how to use that do that with photography. You
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 2: can do that. And he and he pulls out these
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 2: this this geometric these geometric shapes. You could see them.
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 2: They're they're like little and they look like rctangles. And
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 2: I thought, what if this is not real? I'm I
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 2: was super skeptical. I'll be honest with you. I wasn't.
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the picture with the doors on the
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 2: hanger doors, the one from Scott Mitchell, the one that
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 2: we have in the film, right, and uh, and so
• 2:47:35
  Speaker 2: I I didn't believe it. I thought, there's no way,
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 2: I go, there's no way this is real. I don't
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 2: believe it. So Scott was really cool. He said, look, man,
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 2: I I understand your skeptical. I get it. I want
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 2: you to do me a favor. Go online search it yourself.
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 2: I won't even tell you where it is. I'll just
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 2: tell you what who who took the pictures? The The
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 2: only thing he gave us is the picture number is
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 2: oh five O one one. That's what the picture number is.
• 2:48:02
  Speaker 2: He goes, if you find it, have whoever on your
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 2: team playing around with it until you see it. That
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 2: was fair because I said, okay, because I mean if
• 2:48:10
  Speaker 2: it's if it's out there, there's two different places. It
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 2: was online and the one place we got it from
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 2: was the source of it, okay, was from the photographer,
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 2: the guy himself. We take it. I had three different
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 2: people on my team. Everybody's really good at all this
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 2: stuff on my team, so I said, guys, this is
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 2: what we need to see. If you guys could pull
• 2:48:34
  Speaker 2: it up, I'm I'm I'm not going to be as skeptical.
• 2:48:38
  Speaker 2: Everybody got it almost in the same time. They were
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 2: playing around, and eventually the easiest software we used to
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 2: get that detail out was da Vinci Resolve, and with
• 2:48:49
  Speaker 2: da Vinci it's a faster process than if you're messing
• 2:48:51
  Speaker 2: around with photoshop or whatever. And it came and I
• 2:48:56
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, it's it's really there. You
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 2: could clear. So what I did is I had them
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 2: scan the rest of the picture because it's pixels, right,
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 2: So I said, let's also see if it's not some
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 2: pixel pixelation. Is it maybe just what the photo does.
• 2:49:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe we just got lucky and it looks like that there.
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's going to show something similar elsewhere and it doesn't.
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 2: And then I said, all right, go get me five
• 2:49:21
  Speaker 2: oh two. I want five hundred. I want because the
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 2: guy kept snapping pictures, I want you to do the same,
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 2: like we went really military, like I said, I want
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 2: to make sure this is this is real. I don't
• 2:49:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to put our name on this if
• 2:49:34
  Speaker 2: it's not. And it ended up being other pictures also
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 2: show it, by the way, because he went click click click,
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 2: So it's like it's not just that one that's the
• 2:49:42
  Speaker 2: clearest one. And so I was at a certain point.
• 2:49:47
  Speaker 2: I go to Bob's house and I'm sitting there and
• 2:49:50
  Speaker 2: the guy calls me, Scott Mitchell calls me, and he
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 2: has no idea I'm with Bob Bazar. So I pick up.
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 2: It's a video call, and he goes, heyn, what's going on?
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 2: I said, well, look, I said look who I'm with.
• 2:50:02
  Speaker 2: And he just like exploded because he was like, oh
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 2: my god, you're with Bob. And I said show him,
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 2: And so Bob was there and we showed it. We
• 2:50:10
  Speaker 2: ended up transferring the call on on the zoom call
• 2:50:13
  Speaker 2: and he showed it and you said, yeah, like I
• 2:50:16
  Speaker 2: remember you going, yeah, that's it.
• 2:50:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that.
• 2:50:19
  Speaker 3: What did that look like to you when you saw
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 3: those images? Yeah?
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 1: That was it was awesome. Yeah, it was awesome. What
• 2:50:25
  Speaker 1: was really shocking was the first first bigger Yeah, because
• 2:50:29
  Speaker 1: that was the big hangar. Yeah yeah, yeah, because the
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 1: first hanger is a big hangar. There's smaller ones. And
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 1: I said, Jesus, the first hanger is bigger you Yeah,
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 1: you found it, you found it, So I mean that
• 2:50:40
  Speaker 1: that was I just lit up at that point.
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what happens if you look at that site with
• 2:50:45
  Speaker 3: Google Earth.
• 2:50:47
  Speaker 2: That is what the Google Earth. No, No, that was
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 2: the picture, but Google Earth. But Google Earth. And I'll
• 2:50:52
  Speaker 2: tell you something about.
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 1: Google Yeah that was the that wasn't with Google Earth.
• 2:50:55
  Speaker 2: No, the picture is a real photo. The picture of
• 2:50:58
  Speaker 2: the hangar doors is.
• 2:50:59
  Speaker 1: A real Okay, I said that was Google.
• 2:51:01
  Speaker 2: No, No, the picture is a real photo the Google
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 2: Earth though. You see that in the film. Yeah, I
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 2: can't make this out. I didn't want to put anything
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 2: in the film. That was one of my things. I
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 2: didn't want to put anything in the film that would
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 2: make me, the whole team, or even Bob look like
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 2: we're trying to like mcguy or some something in there.
• 2:51:21
  Speaker 2: It has to be you go look for it yourself.
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 2: It's public. If you don't believe it, go check it
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 2: out yourself. That's how That's what was. That's the only
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 2: thing we allowed in there. And when you go on
• 2:51:34
  Speaker 2: papoos Lake on June twenty so June twenty second of
• 2:51:40
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, June of twenty twenty four, Google Earth changed.
• 2:51:48
  Speaker 2: You're going to be right over papoos Lake. If you
• 2:51:51
  Speaker 2: zoom in, you're not going to notice it because it's
• 2:51:54
  Speaker 2: kind of a yellowish tint to the image. Now, remember
• 2:51:59
  Speaker 2: going why is this it's so yellow? I mean, I'd
• 2:52:01
  Speaker 2: been there so many times. I was like, why the
• 2:52:03
  Speaker 2: fuck it turns so yellow? And I'm like I saw
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 2: I'm zooming out, and I'm like, why did they fuck
• 2:52:09
  Speaker 2: it up. I thought they fucking ruined everything.
• 2:52:11
  Speaker 1: It's all yellow.
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 2: And as I go further, you see this box that
• 2:52:17
  Speaker 2: is like right over Papoos So I'm like, what is that?
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 2: And I put my mouse over it, and wherever you're
• 2:52:25
  Speaker 2: in the box, it's June twenty second, twenty twenty four.
• 2:52:29
  Speaker 2: And as soon as you put your mouse outside of
• 2:52:32
  Speaker 2: the box, well it's an older date. And I thought, oh,
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 2: they just did that and the mist So I think
• 2:52:41
  Speaker 2: what they thought they were gonna do is that new
• 2:52:44
  Speaker 2: filter right over Papoos Lake removes every possible detail on
• 2:52:50
  Speaker 2: the terrain, the landscape where the brushes are and the
• 2:52:54
  Speaker 2: Joshua trees are. It really really removes all that. It
• 2:52:58
  Speaker 2: blurs everything out, but it makes they made a mistake.
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 2: They made a huge error. I believe so. And I
• 2:53:04
  Speaker 2: think if they're listening, they're gonna go, yeah, are bad
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 2: to the to the d D because they're good because
• 2:53:10
  Speaker 2: you see all the tracks on the lake. If for
• 2:53:14
  Speaker 2: some reason that filter accentuates the tracks on Papoo's Lake
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 2: and removes the landscape brushes, I don't know why. It
• 2:53:25
  Speaker 2: just did that, and I was like, holy shit, you
• 2:53:28
  Speaker 2: see all these tracks.
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 3: What it looks like is they're trying to purposely obscure
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 3: the area. Yes, and the fact that it's in a
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 3: very clear box. Yeah, and you talked about that in
• 2:53:38
  Speaker 3: the film. It's kind of bonkers.
• 2:53:39
  Speaker 1: And reason there's no reason to pick one square box?
• 2:53:44
  Speaker 1: Why why nobody goes to Yeah, so.
• 2:53:48
  Speaker 3: Try to obscure it.
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I thought, Jesus did we got to
• 2:53:51
  Speaker 2: put this in there? I mean, it's so cool, right.
• 2:53:55
  Speaker 3: It's all very compelling. I think we should wrap this up.
• 2:53:59
  Speaker 3: But the film's excellent. Congratulations. I could tell it took
• 2:54:03
  Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of effort, and I could tell by
• 2:54:06
  Speaker 3: watching you watch it when we watched it together that
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 3: had an insane impact on you. And you'd already seen
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 3: it before I saw it with you, so you're just
• 2:54:15
  Speaker 3: seeing it again. It's just like it's bonkers.
• 2:54:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really affected me. And is is there anything
• 2:54:24
  Speaker 1: else you want to say? There's a couple of things
• 2:54:26
  Speaker 1: I want to bring up. Okay, you know, just because
• 2:54:30
  Speaker 1: i've stuff Luigi has told me, people think that I
• 2:54:34
  Speaker 1: make millions of dollars off of this stuff. Yeah, and
• 2:54:39
  Speaker 1: I don't. I would I would love to sign on
• 2:54:41
  Speaker 1: to the millions of dollars program. You know, Jeremy made
• 2:54:46
  Speaker 1: made his movie, and I didn't get a cent from
• 2:54:49
  Speaker 1: Jeremy's movie. I said, anything you make, gift to George.
• 2:54:53
  Speaker 1: You know, Luigi has spent millions of dollars of his
• 2:54:57
  Speaker 1: own money, literally right, you know, making this stuff, and
• 2:55:02
  Speaker 1: I can't see how he's ever gonna make the money back.
• 2:55:05
  Speaker 1: If he does, that's awesome. I drive nineteen eighty something.
• 2:55:12
  Speaker 2: Not a nineteen eighty You drive No.
• 2:55:15
  Speaker 1: Two thousand, No twenty eighteen Chevy Bolt electric car. I mean,
• 2:55:20
  Speaker 1: it's a car you'd buy for your teenage daughter. It's
• 2:55:23
  Speaker 1: embarrassing to drive a customy eighteen thousand dollars. You know,
• 2:55:28
  Speaker 1: my house on the ten Acres costs four hundred and
• 2:55:30
  Speaker 1: fifty grand, and you know back when I when I
• 2:55:34
  Speaker 1: got it. I mean that's that's I work six to
• 2:55:37
  Speaker 1: seven days a week, and I did to nuclear my business.
• 2:55:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anyone that wants to give me
• 2:55:43
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars, please contact contact me immediately because I
• 2:55:48
  Speaker 1: would like to retire. But no, I don't make millions
• 2:55:52
  Speaker 1: of dollars off the stuff. And I my wife and
• 2:55:57
  Speaker 1: I do fine. We grow our food in our Greenhouse
• 2:56:00
  Speaker 1: and we live in our little place up in the
• 2:56:01
  Speaker 1: mountains and that that that's it. But I you know,
• 2:56:05
  Speaker 1: this is Luigi's thing, that's why he's here.
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  Speaker 3: I think the film is going to be very successful,
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  Speaker 3: and I think you're probably gonna make money off of
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  Speaker 3: it at least.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, thank you, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: I think we should wrap it up. Thank you very much, Luigi,
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  Speaker 3: Thank the park. It's fantastic, Bob great to see again.
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  Speaker 1: As always, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: It's understandable, it's understandable. And again the film. Let's show
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  Speaker 3: it on screen, Jamie, so people can know where they
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  Speaker 3: could see it when it's available.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's available actually as of right now, let's play
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  Speaker 2: the trail. We'll end it with this.
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  Speaker 6: Do that.
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  Speaker 3: As for the Bob is Our story, We'll end it
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  Speaker 3: with the trailer.
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  Speaker 1: It's on Amazon.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, we are not alone.
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  Speaker 1: We are not alone. Right, physical evidence now exists which
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  Speaker 1: proves that there is life elsewhere, and at least one
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  Speaker 1: form of that life has been here as of nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty nine. That evidence was in the custody of the
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  Speaker 1: United States government. Between December of nineteen eighty eight and
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  Speaker 1: April of nineteen eighty nine, I worked as a senior
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  Speaker 1: staff physicist in what has to be the most secret
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  Speaker 1: project in history. My job in this program was to
• 2:57:41
  Speaker 1: be part of a black engineering team. This particular disc
• 2:57:47
  Speaker 1: appeared to be an excellent condition, and because of its
• 2:57:50
  Speaker 1: sleek appearance, I nicknamed it the Sport model. The goal
• 2:57:55
  Speaker 1: in this program was to see if the technology of
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  Speaker 1: the disc could be duplicated with the other materials to
• 2:58:02
  Speaker 1: start up the reactor. Of course, we need some element
• 2:58:05
  Speaker 1: one point fifteen. In fact, you need two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: twenty three grams machined into a wedge like this. The
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  Speaker 1: program outed us for consisted of three projects, Project Galileo,
• 2:58:17
  Speaker 1: Project Sidekick, and Project looking Glass. The file on top
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  Speaker 1: was Project Galileo, and as it turned out, that's the
• 2:58:25
  Speaker 1: project that I was part of, and that clearly referred
• 2:58:30
  Speaker 1: to reverse engineering. A recovered alien spacecraft just cannot be
• 2:58:39
  Speaker 1: a secret from anyone, not just the American people, but
• 2:58:42
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 3: All this stuff is something that happened, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's not who he is.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing everything they can to keep this information secret.
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  Speaker 2: That's empirical evidence.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a craft to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks to him help, his story spilled.
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  Speaker 2: Had the world change but