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Breaking Barriers in Modern Storytelling · Story Scaling

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  Speaker 1: We are PodcastVideoscom.
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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, I am Bang and you are back with another episode of Story Scaling To my right, I have none other than I'm Dan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Sam and I'm Brooke.
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  Speaker 1: And we're back with a pretty cool episode.
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  Speaker 1: So I think about doing what I'm doing right now.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing right now?
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  Speaker 1: Breaking the fourth wall, that's right you are.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what that means?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, maybe not, dan.
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  Speaker 1: What is the fourth wall and how do you break it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the fourth wall is essentially right behind the camera.
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  Speaker 4: It's when you're talking directly to the audience instead of just letting the audience see us having a conversation.
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  Speaker 4: In a movie, you're often seeing what's happening from a detached point of view.
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  Speaker 4: The characters very rarely address the audience right through the screen.
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  Speaker 4: Now, ryan Reynolds smirks at the screen.
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  Speaker 4: We all know that.
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  Speaker 4: Ferris Bueller's Day Off, matthew Broderick did it.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty rare, though, but in other formats.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is something that goes back to a theater in the old days that only had three walls and while there were no cameras that we're aware of.
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  Speaker 4: Back then the actors would project out, not necessarily directly to the audience, but even through them.
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  Speaker 4: But of course, a lot of the newer mediums don't use it as much.
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  Speaker 4: Now, bang concert, you're looking at what's called a wide-angle look.
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  Speaker 4: You're not necessarily looking at one person in the crowd, but you're looking at the crowd.
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  Speaker 4: Your local newscast is very much direct to the camera.
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  Speaker 4: There's some banter between the anchors, but the anchors and the reporters are standing here right there, you know.
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  Speaker 2: it's another great example of where they sometimes break the fourth wall.
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  Speaker 4: talking to the audience, Sure, you don't have to have a camera involved for it.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, how do we put this to a podcast?
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  Speaker 2: What is the take?
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  Speaker 2: Do you be the fly on the wall or do you talk directly to the audience?
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  Speaker 1: I imagine that there's times for both.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Also, you just gave some pretty good fourth wall history, dan, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like where does this come from?
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  Speaker 1: Why is it a thing?
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  Speaker 1: I get the concept now?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously it's talking directly to the camera, but I didn't even realize that back in the day it was only three walls.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and now you don't even have to Google it to find out, you just watch the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Now you watch the podcast, we'll teach you everything you need to know and we'll look at you while we're doing this.
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  Speaker 1: Sam, you brought up something earlier about like if you want to make a specific point, then you would look directly at the camera and then there's other times where it might not be, as that'd be ass-fitting yeah, it's kind of like what is the point of your podcast?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that really like helps you kind of narrow down.
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  Speaker 2: When is it appropriate to speak to the camera?
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  Speaker 2: Like, if you're trying to inform people, whether you have an interview or not, you're probably going to want to have some points that you address the audience to give them the information.
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  Speaker 2: If you're trying to persuade them, same thing, right sell.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're just entertaining, um, that can be a little bit more free form like maybe maybe you don't ever address the audience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you're having a conversation, it's really weird to be like all right.
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  Speaker 3: So, Dan, let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 3: So, instead of like you know, you want to be like talking to the person that you're actually having a conversation with.
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  Speaker 4: When you're having a back and forth with somebody else who's also on the mic in the room on camera.
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  Speaker 4: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: Sense that they can just watch the interaction between the people here.
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  Speaker 4: When you're alone, when when you want to make a point directly to the audience, like you know, this really only works if you're more than five foot nine or something like that yeah, but if we can just we're just teasing you about being short I can do that right to you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I don't have to look at them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah or them if we're in the wide angle here.
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  Speaker 3: I'm 5'1".
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  Speaker 1: I was doing a story podcast the other day where I was just telling the story.
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  Speaker 1: It was a solo pod and I think I looked down more than I actually looked at the camera and that would have been a really good opportunity to break the fourth wall, so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: Speak directly to the audience.
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  Speaker 4: If you're not looking at whoever you're having a conversation with, it's probably a good idea, rather than looking down or looking off, to be looking at the camera Right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think it's another good opportunity or idea for when you do have a guest on the show, if you're the host, give them the opportunity to speak to the audience, maybe towards the end, like hey, what do you want to say to the listeners?
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  Speaker 4: Like what would you want to speak to them?
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  Speaker 4: Speak directly to.
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  Speaker 2: And then as a guest, that kind of all right, I'm not having to initiate it, they're giving me the opportunity and now I can give direct feedback to the audience.
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  Speaker 2: Right, you might not have to look at the camera.
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  Speaker 4: But there's some nonverbal language to it as well.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, some people are more active with their hands than others, but it takes on a different approach when you're straight to the camera as opposed to watching the interaction.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's speak to what they should expect to feel, like.
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  Speaker 1: Is this a little bit more uncomfortable or intimidating than this, or like speaking here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I would say maybe a little bit Like it feels like whenever I'm talking directly to the camera, for some reason it's a little bit more difficult than talking one-on-one.
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  Speaker 1: Or if I was just like telling the story and kind of looking off to space, like how do you guys feel?
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  Speaker 3: when you're having to address the camera directly, I feel like it's pretty short.
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  Speaker 3: Like you, you want to have that point and you want to hit it home and that's when you look at the camera, but you know most of the time like you aren't going to be doing it.
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  Speaker 3: I think you don't do it all the time, unless you're doing like a solo, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like the like when you're when when you're having a conversation, like bring a point home, yeah, so it shouldn't be an extended duration of just like hey, you know this, this, this this is not a youtube video, you know.
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  Speaker 4: You're not sitting here like walk through my day.
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  Speaker 4: This is not a newscast.
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  Speaker 4: It's not even the european term.
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  Speaker 4: The presenter is is very formally at the camera behind the desk.
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  Speaker 4: That's not where we're going for in most podcasts, right?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you did bring up a good point, though, in in terms of remote.
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  Speaker 4: When you've got people who are, you know you're filming remote.
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  Speaker 4: Most people have the camera directly in front of them, and that's true on both sides the guest and the host and you will often see what looks like this, where they're not quite looking at the camera, they are looking at their webcam or they're looking at their screen and not the cam.
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  Speaker 4: It can look a little awkward and the tip is obviously to get your camera as close to the screen as you can and remember that you're speaking to the camera, not to the monitor.
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  Speaker 4: Essentially, that that's showing you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: I'm breaking the fourth wall right now to say thank you for listening to score Scory, thank you for listening to story scaling and if you got any more questions, conversations you want to see discussed, let us know.
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  Speaker 4: There's all sorts of things you can do, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You can break the fourth wall too.
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  Speaker 3: I know, come on in, there's a lot of things you can do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can break the fourth wall too.
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  Speaker 3: I know Come on in See the studio.
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  Speaker 3: Break the fourth wall.
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  Speaker 1: See the studio.
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  Speaker 4: All right, guys.
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  Speaker 4: That's a wrap on this story scaling episode.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for sitting in and we'll see you all next time.
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  Speaker 2: See ya.