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Psychic Warfare is Real | Geopolitics & Empire with Ryder Lee · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: and empire as well. All right, joining us for the
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  Speaker 1: first time is film director Ryder Lee. We'll be discussing
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  Speaker 1: his latest film. You can find over at Amazon Prime
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  Speaker 1: or purchase direct in DVD form from Ryder. The links
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  Speaker 1: will be in the description. The film's called Psychic Agents.
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  Speaker 1: The Gate program, I just finished watching it last night.
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  Speaker 1: Very much enjoyed it. He also runs the Raised by
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  Speaker 1: Giants YouTube channel and podcast. Welcome, Ryder.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me on, brother. Really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm very much looking forward to diving into this
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  Speaker 2: topic and answering any questions that you have about the movie.
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  Speaker 2: What was your first reactions to it?
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was done very professionally, very intimately. serious.
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  Speaker 1: And this is not a theme I've explored enough on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. And so it's kind of great to get
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  Speaker 1: into it. And you'd be, I think, one of the
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  Speaker 1: first to sort of give us a crash course 101.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, there was a lot of material there. And
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  Speaker 1: I've got some of them in my talking points, particularly
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  Speaker 1: towards the end was interesting learning about how deep the
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  Speaker 1: government and their myriad of intelligence agencies are embedded in
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  Speaker 1: American daily life. and society. So there were eye-opening things.
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  Speaker 1: So I purchased the Amazon version. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: like 10 bucks. Happy to support work such as yours.
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  Speaker 1: And shout out again to William Ramsey, who I was
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  Speaker 1: just in LA hanging out with him, had a beer
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  Speaker 1: with William, and he hooked us up. I'm new to
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  Speaker 1: your work. And perhaps for people who are not aware
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  Speaker 1: of your work, anything you want to tell us before
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  Speaker 1: getting into the film, because you've got a YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know. You've got a YouTube channel, podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Raised by Giants.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I've been doing this since 2020. I've had my
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  Speaker 2: YouTube channel since 2020 and been doing a podcast. You
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  Speaker 2: can find me on social media, on Facebook, Instagram, any
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  Speaker 2: of those places. And this is my third film that
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  Speaker 2: is out on Amazon Prime. The first one was called
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  Speaker 2: JFK X Solving the Crime of the Century. The second
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  Speaker 2: one was called A Clockwork Shining, Kubrick's Odyssey 3. And
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  Speaker 2: that was like a look at Stanley Kubrick and what
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  Speaker 2: he was actually trying to tell us within The Shining.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many different theories of what was going on
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  Speaker 2: in The Shining. And my third one, which is out
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  Speaker 2: now on Amazon Prime, is Psychic Agent 2. the gate program. So, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's a little bit about me, but if people would
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  Speaker 2: like to, uh, support me or, uh, you know, go
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  Speaker 2: over to my channel and check out my work, you
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  Speaker 2: can find me at raised by giants on YouTube and
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  Speaker 2: any and all podcast platforms.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of Kubrick, uh, his daughter Vivian follows me
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  Speaker 1: on X and gives me the occasional retweet. So shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Vivian Kubrick, if she's viewing or listening this particular, uh, episode, um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, what does it take putting this documentary together?
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  Speaker 1: I listened to your chat with William. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of work in terms of the financial costs
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  Speaker 1: and the time. I'm just curious on any insight you
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  Speaker 1: can give us.
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  Speaker 2: Well, with any movie, I mean, you see how much
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  Speaker 2: work it is just to put in to do one
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  Speaker 2: of these shows. You know what I mean? Like we
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  Speaker 2: spend a lot of time just and people think that
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  Speaker 2: this stuff is just easy. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: That we're just sitting here just, you know, doing a simple,
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  Speaker 2: easy podcast where you're just over there answering questions. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you probably put a day's work of time and the
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  Speaker 2: amount of time that it took to even watch the
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  Speaker 2: movie was about two hours. That's about how long the
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  Speaker 2: movie was. And to listen to our show, my show
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  Speaker 2: with William Ramsey, to prepare, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: This stuff takes a lot of time and effort and energy.
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  Speaker 2: And people don't really realize that. They think that we're
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  Speaker 2: just sitting back here and we're just going through the
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  Speaker 2: motions and it's super easy. It's not. It's very difficult.
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  Speaker 2: It's very time consuming. And it takes a lot of
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  Speaker 2: work to even put on a show like this to
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  Speaker 2: do this. So you ramp that up by like a
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  Speaker 2: hundred times and then you'll have what it's like to
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  Speaker 2: make a movie and making a documentary is very time consuming.
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  Speaker 2: It takes a lot of patience and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: work just to gather all of the information. That was
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  Speaker 2: some of the hardest part is just going through all
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  Speaker 2: of the research. and finding all of the documents, because
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  Speaker 2: it's a very document-heavy movie. I show a lot of
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  Speaker 2: documents that has to do with the DIA Army Intelligence
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  Speaker 2: Remote Viewing Psychic Spy Unit that had been in operation
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  Speaker 2: since 1978 and then was closed down in 1995 by
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  Speaker 2: the CIA. So it's it was a very long, strenuous process,
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  Speaker 2: but I've been working on this for a really long time,
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  Speaker 2: collecting information, getting documents, reaching out to the people that
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  Speaker 2: are getting B-roll for the movie, because that's another problem
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  Speaker 2: that I believe that a lot of filmmakers in this
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  Speaker 2: space has is you never have enough B-roll. you always
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  Speaker 2: need things to put into the movie and you seem
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  Speaker 2: to run out of those B roll things really quickly. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it was, uh, you know, it took a lot of
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  Speaker 2: time and energy and effort. And then not only that traveling, uh,
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  Speaker 2: because I went to everybody, I went to everyone in person,
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  Speaker 2: everyone besides Angela Ford, which is in the movie. She's
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  Speaker 2: a confirmed remote viewer for the DIA Army Intelligence. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: else I went to, I traveled to, to interview them
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  Speaker 2: and talk to them in person. So, you know, between
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  Speaker 2: all the traveling, it took around two weeks just to
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  Speaker 2: get to everybody to interview and talk with them. And
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  Speaker 2: that's another important aspect of it is that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you're making a movie, A lot of times not
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  Speaker 2: everything makes it into the movie. You know, it's, uh,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that gets left on the
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  Speaker 2: cutting room floor. I mean, each of those interviews were
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  Speaker 2: roughly around two hours a piece, you know, and they
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  Speaker 2: were all chopped down to around, you know, 10 to
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  Speaker 2: 15 minutes per individual. So, uh, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: things that are left on the cutting room floor. And
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  Speaker 2: that's a big decision that you have to make as
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  Speaker 2: a filmmaker is what to leave in and what to
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  Speaker 2: take out. And it's a very, very important process, but,
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  Speaker 2: It's something that I really love to do. I like,
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  Speaker 2: I love puzzles. I love mind bending things that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: take time to, to figure it out. Like, you know, that,
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  Speaker 2: it's like putting a giant puzzle piece together and then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, invoking that emotion out of the audience and
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  Speaker 2: putting in the right music and putting it in the
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  Speaker 2: right sound effects and making the transition to where it
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  Speaker 2: gives you the, those chills and that goose bump. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like when you, when you really
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  Speaker 2: nailed something, you can feel those shivers and those goosebumps
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  Speaker 2: on your arm or on, on your leg. Some people
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  Speaker 2: feel that that's intuition or something telling them that they're
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  Speaker 2: on the right path, but yeah, A lot of times
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  Speaker 2: I get that when I'm watching something or I'm making
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  Speaker 2: something and I'll get those chills and I'll know that
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  Speaker 2: I'm on the right path. So, yeah, that's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a behind the scenes on filmmaking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a bit of that is the
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  Speaker 1: feeling I have doing the podcast or writing articles for
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  Speaker 1: Geopolitics and Empire, which I don't do enough. But the
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  Speaker 1: last one that I did write got a lot of play,
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  Speaker 1: even having being reposted by David Icke and people such
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  Speaker 1: as that. And you're right. I mean, the work it
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  Speaker 1: takes like I you're my second podcast today. I interviewed
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  Speaker 1: actually this morning, Corey Rowe, who did Loose Change documentary
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  Speaker 1: way back in the day with Dylan Avery and Jason Burmas.
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  Speaker 1: And I I was reading his book this week. And
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  Speaker 1: so I read like the first half earlier in the
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  Speaker 1: week of his book. And then I took a pause
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  Speaker 1: to watch your film last night. And then when I
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  Speaker 1: finished watching your film, I was up till three in
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  Speaker 1: the morning finishing reading Corey's book. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think also yesterday or the day before I watched
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  Speaker 1: your interview with William Ramsey. And then I go, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is what it takes. You're my guest. I find
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  Speaker 1: your channels. I go to your link tree. I find
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  Speaker 1: your Facebook, which has got a lot of, I think, 100,000
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  Speaker 1: followers there. I follow you on Facebook. I follow your
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  Speaker 1: channel on YouTube and X to get a picture of
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  Speaker 1: who you are and the work that you do and
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  Speaker 1: create talking points and this is sort of stuff that
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  Speaker 1: we do. And I'm just curious, is there beyond your film,
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  Speaker 1: on remote viewing, are there many other documentaries that have
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  Speaker 1: been put out on the subject? I can't really think
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  Speaker 1: of too many.
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  Speaker 2: No, there hasn't. I think the other most comprehensive one
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  Speaker 2: was Third Eye Spies. Um, but other than that, there's
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  Speaker 2: never been a detailed look at the history of the
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  Speaker 2: Stargate remote viewing unit. You know, it's a really big,
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  Speaker 2: it's a really, just by watching the movie, you realize
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  Speaker 2: that it's a very convoluted program and there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of dates and name changes of the unit and it's
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  Speaker 2: being transferred to DIA, back to army intelligence, back to DIA.
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  Speaker 2: And there's all these things, these different moving pieces and,
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  Speaker 2: It really felt like that nobody really had an accurate
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  Speaker 2: timeline of the unit itself, you know, because if you
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  Speaker 2: were to go to the house, even the people that
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  Speaker 2: were directly involved that were verified in the DIA Army
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  Speaker 2: Intelligence Unit. they have a different version of events than
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  Speaker 2: other people that no one really has a comprehensive timeline of,
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  Speaker 2: of events of when the research started, when all this
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  Speaker 2: stuff happened. So it was really important for me to
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  Speaker 2: sit down and create that timeline and make that timeline.
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  Speaker 2: And that timeline is verified through DIA, army intelligence, declassified
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  Speaker 2: and unclassified documents from the CIA. So, uh, Can't really
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  Speaker 2: dispute it. It's it's written down. It's in there. It's
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  Speaker 2: in the documents. It's in there. And people can have
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  Speaker 2: a problem with it. Like some of the people can
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, well, it didn't happen that day. It
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  Speaker 2: happened that other day. Oh, you know, I'm going off
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  Speaker 2: according to the official documentation here. So, I mean, people
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  Speaker 2: can have. differing opinions on when certain things happened and
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  Speaker 2: when they didn't happen. But it doesn't matter because it's
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  Speaker 2: all according to the documents. And I made sure that
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  Speaker 2: everything that I said in that first hour of the
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  Speaker 2: movie was all verified and correct. I double, triple, quadruple
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  Speaker 2: checked everything. And you see it in the movie of
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  Speaker 2: exactly what I'm talking about. So that's awesome that you
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  Speaker 2: had the director of Loose Change on. I've had Jason
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  Speaker 2: Burmess on my show a couple of times, and I
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  Speaker 2: was just on his show talking about this movie. So
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  Speaker 2: that's really great. Loose Change, incredible documentary. That and Zeitgeist
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  Speaker 2: really opened my eyes. That's what started this entire thing
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  Speaker 2: for me in 2007.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a small world. I mean, from 2022 to 2024,
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  Speaker 1: I was head of my own show on TNT Radio,
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  Speaker 1: which was based out of Australia. And after two years,
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  Speaker 1: I decided to call it quits on the eyes of March.
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  Speaker 1: When was it now? Wow. Time is flying. Two years ago.
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  Speaker 1: And I needed a replacement. And I had I reached
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  Speaker 1: out to Jason. He replaced me for six months more
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  Speaker 1: before TNT Radio came. died. The theme that you cover,
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  Speaker 1: it makes me think, I came across this band just
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  Speaker 1: a few years ago called Clutch. You might be familiar
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  Speaker 1: with them. They have a fantastic song and music video
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  Speaker 1: called X-Ray Visions from the album Psychic Warfare 2015. It's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Before looking at some of the parts of the film,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say is the big picture thesis? As
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  Speaker 1: I understand it, governments, we can say, you primarily deal
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  Speaker 1: with the American government, but you also mentioned the Russians,
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  Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, that they have been, you know, since
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  Speaker 1: World War II, working, creating all of these secret, multiple,
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, multiple agencies, multiple programs, very compartmentalized, mind
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  Speaker 1: control experiments, psychic warfare, remote viewing. What's sort of the
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  Speaker 1: big picture here and thesis?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the big picture is, is that the government really
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  Speaker 2: did have a psychic spy unit called the Stargate remote
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  Speaker 2: viewing unit and went through several different name changes and
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  Speaker 2: that lasted up until 1995 and it was shut down.
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  Speaker 2: And my contention and Lynn Buchanan's contention and Dale Graff
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  Speaker 2: and Angela Ford within the movie, you know, our contention is,
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  Speaker 2: is Was there another program? And was this other program
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  Speaker 2: way more nefarious than just spying on foreign countries and
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  Speaker 2: collecting intelligence data? Did this program turn into something that
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  Speaker 2: is way more invasive upon humans? You know, like... Remote influencing.
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  Speaker 2: Is it possible to psychically influence someone and control their
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  Speaker 2: thoughts and their ideas that they would otherwise not have?
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  Speaker 2: And this is a really important aspect because I do
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  Speaker 2: believe that this can be done. I show a document
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  Speaker 2: in the movie from Dr. Ed May. I briefly show
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  Speaker 2: it because I didn't want people getting, it's a really
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  Speaker 2: rare document and not a lot of people have access
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  Speaker 2: to it or even know about it, but it's steps
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  Speaker 2: on how to remote influence somebody. And he lays out
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  Speaker 2: how it's done from a remote viewer and how to
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  Speaker 2: you know, essentially make someone do something that they otherwise
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  Speaker 2: would not do or have thoughts that they otherwise wouldn't do.
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  Speaker 2: And we kind of see that on a mass scale,
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  Speaker 2: you know, during 2020, that kind of happened where everybody
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  Speaker 2: seemed to all be on the same page about everything.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we kind of see this mass formation psychosis
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  Speaker 2: take place. And I'm not saying that that's You know,
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  Speaker 2: it has anything to do with a specific remote viewer
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  Speaker 2: or a remote viewer was doing this. It's just an
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  Speaker 2: example of how it possibly could work. But Lynn Buchanan
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  Speaker 2: was asked if he could, you know, assassinate Osama bin
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  Speaker 2: Laden with his mind. And he says in the movie, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he could if he wanted to, but he didn't. But
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  Speaker 2: he could. And then he was also asked if he
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  Speaker 2: could get Gorbachev to drop communism. And so it's very
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  Speaker 2: possible to do. It just takes a really long time. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, my my kind of thought with it was. Well, if.
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  Speaker 2: They could just kill people with their mind. That doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem like it's... Yeah, you would be able to get
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  Speaker 2: rid of that person, but would you... What kind of
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  Speaker 2: political upheaval is that really going to do?
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  Speaker 1: Like, what.
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  Speaker 2: how big of a deal is it going to be
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  Speaker 2: if someone just dies of a heart attack in a cave, right?
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  Speaker 2: How big of a deal would it have been if
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  Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden just reportedly died of a heart attack
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  Speaker 2: in a cave? It's not going to be that big
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  Speaker 2: of a deal. You know, we're not going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to be like America, hoorah, you know, getting everybody
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  Speaker 2: up in arms and excited that we just took out
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  Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden, right? Like how it was when Obama
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  Speaker 2: got to, you know, celebrate and take credit for SEAL
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  Speaker 2: Team 6 going in and taking out Osama bin Laden.
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  Speaker 2: So in my mind, the way to do it would
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  Speaker 2: be to influence somebody else to commit the act, to
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  Speaker 2: commit the crime, to commit the assassination, to take out
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  Speaker 2: that other person. Because it does a multitude of things
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  Speaker 2: that way. It not only gets the public to blame
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  Speaker 2: a specific individual or a specific group of people, but
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  Speaker 2: it also works out for the political agenda, whatever side
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  Speaker 2: that you want to.
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  Speaker 1: You.
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  Speaker 2: Know, come out on the bottom or on the top
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  Speaker 2: of that entire equation. And you can also just get
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  Speaker 2: into someone's head, get them to screw numbers up on
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  Speaker 2: a computer, get them to crash an airplane, get them
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  Speaker 2: to derail a train. And, you know, this is very
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  Speaker 2: difficult just to have someone just automatically do this, right?
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  Speaker 2: This takes time and you got to work on them
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  Speaker 2: for a really long time. I mean, Lynn, I believe
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  Speaker 2: off camera camera said that he was working on Gorbachev
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  Speaker 2: for like months. to get him to try and drop communism. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And he eventually did. But the thing about remote influencing is,
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  Speaker 2: is that you can't really prove it. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: it's the ultimate intelligence weapon. You can't prove it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you can say that it happened. Oh yeah. I killed
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  Speaker 2: that person with my mind or, or I made them
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  Speaker 2: do this, or I put that thought into his head.
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  Speaker 2: I put that thought into that foreign leader's head. And
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  Speaker 2: then he ended up Doing it right. Anybody can say that.
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  Speaker 2: I can say that. And I'm not even a remote
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  Speaker 2: viewer or a psychic.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: I can say, oh, I made, you know, Xi Jinping
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: do whatever or, you know, the president of North Korea
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: fire that missile into the thing, you know. whenever I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: really didn't, and I had no idea that that was
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: even going on, right? But that's the premise, and that's
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: what makes it such a good intelligence uh technique because
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you can essentially do whatever you want and there's no
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: evidence that you ever did.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It you mentioned uh gorby uh i hung out with
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: him in 2017 in moscow group of 30 of us
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: americans went out on a citizen diplomacy mission and spent
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: two hours with gorbachev at his foundation and Moscow discussing
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the new Cold War. In fact, I graduated from the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Geneva School of Diplomacy in 2009. He was supposed to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: attend to receive the honorary doctorate at our graduation ceremony,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: but he was too old to make it. And it
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: was his right-hand man, his interpreter, whose name I forget now,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: was it Boris or Pavel, was there. But when you
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: ask most Russians, they think Gorbachev was a Russian agent,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a Western agent, who brought about the downfall of the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Soviet regime. It's funny, some of these Pentagon narratives amongst
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the neocon crowd who consider Gorby to be some Russian boogeyman.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, what he did favored the West. So it
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be a surprise that the Russians believe he was
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a traitor. This sort of leads into one of my
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: questions that I had, the mechanism of remote viewing and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: some of this other activity. You know, now I don't deny,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I don't doubt the possibility the phenomenon can be real.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And I think there are multiple prongs to what's going
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: on here as was detailed in your film. You know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and you mentioned the mass formation of the 2020. So,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you know, DARPA, MKUltra, you know, CIA MKUltra. And then
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I learned another thing I learned from the film, but
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: there was, they shut down the CIA MKUltra, but there
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: was the Navy. MKUltra, I believe, right? And so no
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: one's looking at that. So I think there could be
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a– and you can elaborate– a technological aspect to this
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: remote viewing plus mind control and other psychic warfare where
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: they can have technologies that they've developed. There's also the–
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you call it– psychokinetic aspect where
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you detail as well the GATE program where children– they
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: they find children when they're young who have very who
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: are very intelligent and they possibly can cultivate uh but
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: then also what what struck me was some of the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: people in your film they use a lot of words
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you know i i come at this from a christian
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: angle as well uh they talk about channeling automatic writing
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: um stargate or portal um Also, autobotic experiences, which sounds
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: like astral projection, which I do believe is real, this stuff.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I've had a friend who's done astral projection,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: an old friend. And so I just wonder sort of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: just your thoughts on some of the mechanisms of how
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: some of this stuff might work.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of different ways to remove you.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And it's evolved over time. And that's why I 100%
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: believe that the unit, they found another purpose for the unit.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: And they couldn't take the people that were already in
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that program because it was being used for something else
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: to then turn it into something different. way more nefarious.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: So where a lot of it started really was in
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: 1958 when the United States launched its first satellite in
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the space called Explorer 1. And just a little while
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: after Russia had launched their satellite, Sputnik, in the space.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And you just mentioned DARPA there. DARPA was established in 1958.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: NASA was established in 1958. And then the government officially
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: became involved with the public school system in 1958. They
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: were looking for scientists and engineers and engineers the very
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: smart people to work for NASA and they were looking
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: for astronauts and they were just looking for people because
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: they needed to keep up with Russia. That was the excuse.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And that's also the excuse as to why we needed
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the psychic remote viewing Stargate unit as well was because
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: we had found out that Russia was doing this and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: that if Russia was doing it, then we also need
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to do it and It's this back and forth between
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the United States and Russia, and it's always been this
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: back and forth between the United States and Russia because
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Russia got more German Nazi scientists and engineers, and I'm
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: not using Nazi as a political ideation or an ideology
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: just as a way to describe them during World War II.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: And Russia got officially more of those German astronauts and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: not astronauts, but scientists and engineers than the United States
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: did in their own version of Project Paperclip. And it's
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: always been this. you know, this back and forth between,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you know, the United States and Russia since after World
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: War II, and it still kind of persists up until
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: this very day. You know, Russia reportedly got over 6,000
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: German engineers and scientists involved and their families into Russia
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: after World War II. And reportedly, the United States on
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: paper only got around 2,000. Now, that number has reportedly...
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Some people say upwards of 10,000 the United States got,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: but verifiably on paper, the United States got around 10,000.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, 2,000.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: when you look at it that way, it's like, it
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: almost feels like, you know, our, our Germans versus their Germans.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: And it's always been this, this back and forth between
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the two countries since after world war two. So when
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Russia beat us in the space, uh, With the launching
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: of the Sputnik, this really freaked out the Eisenhower administration,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and they realized that the best way to get people
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: recruited into the military and into the intelligence agencies and
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: high positions of power within corporations and leaders of communities,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: including inventors and outside-of-the-box thinkers, because this just isn't for
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the military. Now, a lot of people... that have been
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: through the gifted and talented education programs, which it's important
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to make distinctions here. And I think that we do
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: a really good job within the movie making the distinction.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Because a lot of things are called gate. I mean,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: even just in regular life, we have a lot of
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: things called gate. We got Watergate, freaking Deflategate. When you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: go to the airport, where do you go to? You
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: go to your gate. You know, there's gates with everything,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: and it's everywhere. And then you got the Stargate SG-1.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: You got Star Trek, Stargate. So it's like all this
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: different gate stuff. So... you had the Stargate remote viewing unit.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Then you also had the Monroe Institute gateway experience, which
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: is what you were just mentioning about out of body experiences,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: essentially astral projection and getting outside of your body. Those
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: are two different programs. And then the public school gate program,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: gifted and talented education, which is a better way to
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: explain it by instead of just saying gate and all these,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you should just, Call it, you know, gives it a
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: talented education because it's a better differentiator because people will
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: get confused of all the gates. But those are three
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: separate programs. They're all different and none of them are
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: really connected other than the Stargate DIA program and the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Monroe Institute Gateway experience because the DIA Army Intelligence sent
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: some of the Army personnel to Robert Monroe's HemiSync program
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: to see if getting outside of their body could help
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: them in their remote viewing experience. He sent several of
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: them to the Monroe Institute. Now, the gifted and talented education,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the only connecting tissue there is that it may possibly
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: have been a way to identify psychic abilities for candidates
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: for remote viewing. But none of the people that were
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: officially in the Stargate remote viewing unit have went through
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: any gifted or talented education. So if they were used
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: in an official program, that program would be so black
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: budget and so underground that we're never going to find
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: out about it. And it's going to be so top
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: secret and would have possibly come out after Stargate was
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: shut down. But there were other remote viewing units that were,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: you know, talked about. Lynn Buchanan within the movie talks
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: about how he had gotten an invitation for a program
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: called Project Delta. And this was a remote viewing psychic
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: ability program. Excuse me. Using psychic abilities in combat. In
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: physical combat within the military. Now, that was rumored to
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: either have happened in Texas, Northern California or one of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the Carolinas. Nobody really knows. It was a very top
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: secret unit. But that's kind of what the men who
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: stare at goats, the movie with George Clooney and Jeff
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Bridges and Ewan McGregor was really about. It was a
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: combination of those two. units, that psychic combat unit and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the psychic spying on foreign intelligence of the DIA and
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Army intelligence was involved in at Fort Meade, Maryland since 1778.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Do you think beyond the Russians and the Americans, any
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: other countries have advanced such projects to any extent? I
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: would only think maybe the Chinese.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Chinese, 100%. Yes. We know that China is probably currently
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: testing children for psychic abilities.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: That's how remote viewing got its name was Russell Targ
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: and Hal Puthoff and a few other people went to China.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And one of the kids in China said something and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: called it remote viewing. And that's where Russell Targ and
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: SRI actually got the name remote viewing came from a
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: child in China.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So watching your film, a number of the people you interview,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: they often say, you know, I can't tell you this
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: or tell you that. Some of them say they were
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: remote viewers. Have any of them ever. You know, it
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: kind of goes back to what you were saying earlier.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Could they reproduce on camera what they were doing? But then,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: as you said earlier, it's difficult to prove. Just any
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: thoughts on whether you've asked or. How come we don't
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: have any further visual evidence of the reproduction of such activity?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is very top secret and classified now.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I could have. I could have been like,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you know, remote view this right now, but the thing
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: about remote viewing is it doesn't work the way that
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: internet people believe that it works. It takes a lot
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: of concentration and a lot of effort and time. And
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I just can't write something down on a piece of
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: paper and hand it to Lem Buchanan and have him
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: remote view it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: It's like a process, maybe.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: It's a very deep process. And the person that's giving
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the coordinate essentially has to imbue the target onto the coordinate.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty mystical thing going on that not a
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: lot of people really understand exactly how it works. And
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: that's why a lot of people don't like it because
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: it's very difficult. They don't believe in it because it
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: is a very difficult concept to really grasp. But often
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the person that's giving the target is just as important
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: as the person that's doing the remote viewing.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: How so?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Because they're essentially imbuing the target onto the onto the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: coordinate that you write down on the piece of paper.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: The coordinate doesn't have anything to do with the doesn't
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: give you an actual target. It doesn't give you an
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: actual place. It's a randomized set of numbers. that the
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: person that's giving the target creates. It's a lot different
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: than what people really believe that it is. Now, a
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: lot of people online believe that you can just look
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: at a picture and then automatically remove you. That's not
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: the way that it works. I mean, if you're really gifted,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: if you're really gifted to psychic, which very few people are,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, they can claim that they are, but are
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: they really? I mean, in the document, I didn't show
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: this in the movie, but there's a document that came
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: out in 1993, which is a five-year plan of the
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Stargate Remove Viewing Unit. And it talks about how, what
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: percentage of the population are actually psychic people. And it
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: states that Almost everybody has the ability to do it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Like everyone has the ability to remove you and, and
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: be psychic, but only 1% of the population can do
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: it accurately. And this was in 1993, you know, 1%
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: of the population can do this and do it accurately.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: That's a very, very small percentage. Of the population that
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: can actually do it and do it accurately. So unless
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you're a highly gifted psychic like Pat Price that died
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: in 1975, that the CIA literally said that they could
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: give him a picture of anything anywhere in the world
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: and he could tell them exactly what was going on
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: there at that time.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: No, go ahead. I just got a few. questions, a
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: number of questions. You mentioned Pat Price, which was on
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: my talking point, but Stargate. So would you say, was
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: that the first and principal program? Because, you know, often
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I think when you touch on this in the film,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: these things don't go away. They just get renamed. We
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: had Bruce Gagnon, who's the expert on the space war defense.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: You know, you had the 1980s Reagan Strategic Defense Initiative,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Star Wars program. And they were, I forget now, that
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: was often said that that was simply, that was shut down,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: but it was renamed. I forget what now, but, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: now we have the Golden Dome Project, which is basically
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: like 1980s Star Wars strategic defense initiative. You know, it's
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: like it never went away. Or DARPA LifeLog, which is,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: today it's Facebook. Meta Facebook is DARPA LifeLog. It didn't
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: go away. It's being developed further under another guys. You know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: same thing with all this ex- Musk, Tesla, X technology,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you name it. I believe firmly Amazon was a DARPA
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: project because Bezos' grandpa was the founder of DARPA. He
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Gramps. But my question
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: was on Stargate and the interesting part where there appear
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to be many programs under many different agencies. How compartmentalized
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: was it And then, for example, you point out, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of them overlap, like MKUltra must
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: overlap with Stargate and remote viewing somehow in some ways, sometimes.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: And if they, maybe word got out and there was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: all the brouhaha, you know, we saw in the 70s,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: was the 70s with MKUltra and CIA, they shut that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: project down at the agency of the CIA, but it
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: continued on elsewhere. So if you could just give us
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: sort of a outline, a of, of, of Stargate and, and,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: and how you see these projects.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a very complicated and complex, uh, history, uh,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that I would really recommend someone just to, uh, watch
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the movie and, and really take it from there. Cause
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: it's a really, uh, comprehensive look at the psychic intelligence
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: and where the research and everything starts. And you can
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: go back to the 1930s at Duke University, which the
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Rockefeller administration was actually responsible for putting together a lot
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: of that research into the early psychic stuff at Duke University,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: which was by Carl Zinder and J.B. Ryan, which was
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: the telepathy card game that... was tested on indigenous school
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: children and on children in the United States. But as
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: far as the government having an actual psychic spy program,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the CIA funded SRI International in the early 70s. And
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: this is where Pat Price came out of. This is
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: where Ingo Swann came out of and a few others
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: like Yuri Geller and some other psychic individuals came out
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: of SRI. But then it got turned into a 1978
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Army intelligence got into that they needed to open up
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: a unit of psychic spies to figure out what's going
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: on in other countries and that our satellites couldn't reach
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: because they had funded this research and this study at SRI.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: And SRI had essentially proven scientifically that this remote viewing
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and psychic stuff, there really is something to it. And
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: it works. They've done many double blind experiments with psychic
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: individuals and found out that it worked. And the CIA
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: funding this was like, okay, well, we need to take
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: this to, you know, the military. And then the military
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: got involved. And then when Pat Price died in 1975,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the CIA cut funding to SRI and which is a
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: really whole interesting thing going on there. I don't believe
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that Pat Price actually died. I believe that. They faked
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: his death to put him into a really black underground
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: project that was probably way more nefarious. I mean, when
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: you have the head of the CIA saying that we
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: have a guy that can see anything that's going on
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: anywhere in the world, right? You have a hen that
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: lays golden eggs, right? You got a goose that lays
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: golden eggs. You are never going to let him out
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of your sight and you're never going to let him die.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: The events surrounding Pat Price's death are so strange and
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: inconspicuous that it only leads a person to believe that
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: he didn't die and that he was just taken into
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: a blacker project that was so dark and probably really
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: nefarious that he essentially couldn't be alive for. in the
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: public version of that, right? He couldn't publicly be alive.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: So the easiest way was to, you know, to fake
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: his death and then take him into this, probably in
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: some sort of underground facility. I mean, several people that
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: have worked in deep underground military bases in the United
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: States and have lived to talk about it say that
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the people that work there, some of them never leave.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: They're there for their entire life and they die there. OK,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: so where do those people come from? You know, where
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: do you get somebody to work in a deep underground
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: military base for their entire life and then die down there?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: And then their family and their friends never ask any questions.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: So the easiest way is to fake someone's death and
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: then have the perception of them already be gone. And
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: then you take them and then they're working out the
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: rest of their life until until they die.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: You know, there is just the way that you see it.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: There is a logic to that. In the film, you
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: mentioned General Stubblebine, the late Stubblebine. And I've interviewed his wife, Dr.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Rima Laibo, a number of times. I've met her. She
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: was on a few months back. And then subsequently, one
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of my listeners sent me a video I had no
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: idea of that she's given interviews a few years prior
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: to that, where she's talking about she was channeling her
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: late husband's double bind and talking about automatic writing which
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: i just learned from your film where some of the
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: remote viewers throughout the term i guess part of their
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: process included automatic um writing like you're channeling uh i'm
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: just just any thoughts on um double bind.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Stubblebine was essentially looking for people that would display gifts.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: He's the one that found Angela Ford. He also found
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Lynn Buchanan. And he found several other people that ended
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: up in the remote viewing unit. So he was looking
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: for those people. those paranormal or psychic stories. And another
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: thing that I found that was really interesting is that
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: it seemed like A lot of the people that were
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: involved in that unit actually had out-of-body experiences when they
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: were a kid. Like they had a near-death experience or
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: they had an out-of-body experience when they were very young.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And that may or may not have unlocked the psychic
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: abilities in their mind. And when you look at the
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: MKUltra programs that were going on before this, you'll see
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: that there are several MKUltra programs Subprojects that were directly
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: tailored toward the discovery and unlocking of psychic abilities. Subproject 102, well,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: that one was a summer camp with children, but Subproject 83, 136.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: were all about discovering, unlocking, and the study of ESP
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: and psychic abilities. And that's really what kind of got
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: me onto a lot of this stuff was looking into
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the MKUltra documents and realizing that they were also interested
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: in ESP and psychic abilities. And when you think about
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: how If you can unlock those abilities within the person
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: through trauma, because that's what the MKU Ultra programs were
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: really about, was traumatizing an individual. Well, what if they
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: discovered by traumatizing the individual, they have an out-of-body experience?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what a lot of people claim happens
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: to them when they have an involuntary out-of-body experience. It's
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: because they have been subjected to an intensive amount of trauma.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: And they get outside of their body.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: So if that's the case and getting outside of your
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: body is what actually brings these psychic abilities to the
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: forefront of people's minds, well, then you have a way
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: to get it out of people.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: That that's, that was, that was, that was the frightening
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: part of your, um, film was to think that the
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: government is finding people. I'm assuming many of them against
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: their own will. and confining them, traumatizing them to run
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: these experiments, to obtain this power and attempts to wield it.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson made a brief appearance in your film. And
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: he mentioned when he was a kid, I think he
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: was involved in one of these programs. And it made
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: me think again of Laurel Canyon. I'm guessing you've read
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the book, Dave McGowan, right? Yes. And- Billy Corgan, as
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: of late, he's been interviewing Conrad Flynn. I haven't been
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: able to watch that three-part interview series, but Conrad and
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I interact on the Substack, and I want to get
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: him on at some point, but Corgan said recently that,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and Jazz Coleman of Killing Joke, who I
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: almost got on the podcast because he was living in
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Mexico during COVID but had a near-death experience, he's an occultist,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and he admits he was part of the Tavistock manufacturing
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of rock, and What's my point here is that you
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: have this triangulation via people like Marilyn Manson and Jess
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Coleman in the UK, and then Billy Corgan, who admitted
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: that the CIA had approached them, but he wouldn't reveal
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: as to the nature of it, and that they are
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: very involved in the music industry. I'm just curious if
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you have any thought on that. And Marilyn Manson, I mean,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: it's just a strange connection where he's connected to the
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: rock scene, the entertainment scene, and intelligence. And that kind
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: of makes me think, are some of the people that
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: we see in the media, were they, it's kind of
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: a separate issue, the entertainment and remote viewing, but a
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: lot of the people, who was ahead on Victor Hugo
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Vaca Jr., who was a musician, and he was doing
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of art performances with musicians, and a lot
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of the stuff he said off the cuff, I checked,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: he mentioned this guitarist Skunk Baxter, And that he was
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: with Skunk and Skunk asked him, are you CIA? He's like, no,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: because he was. And then you look it up, Skunk
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Baxter played in the Doobie Brothers and I forget what
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: other group. And he worked in defense. He worked in
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the defense industry. So just any thought on Marilyn Manson
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and some of these connections where it seems like people
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: are groomed much earlier than we think.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, this is a really deep one. Yeah, I mean,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: when you look at Laurel Canyon and all the bands
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: that came up out of Hollywood in L.A. in the
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: 60s all had military intelligence parents, their dads, or they
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: had some kind of close family member that was a
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: high ranking military individual. Right. So. it's obvious that the
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: kids of high ranking military individuals were used because they
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: were the ones that were like, they were proven and
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: they knew that like they were mostly going to keep
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: their mouth shut. You know what I mean? And then
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: if you take that and you, you understand that and
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: you understand that, This is why a lot of people
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: don't actually make it. You can be a talent that
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: as you ever really want to be, but if you're
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: not a part of the group, then you're not going
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: to be a part of the group, right? You're not
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: ever really going to get to that, that high level
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: of fame. I think that things are kind of changing
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: a little bit now with the internet, but as far
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: back as Hollywood has ever gone, I mean, now we
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: have YouTubers making movies and they're acting and all that stuff,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: which is really cool. I think that's really great. But
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: it used to be if you weren't in that family,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: if your father wasn't a well-known person or if you
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: didn't have a family member that was out there vouching
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: for you, you could be 100 times better than Elvis.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: You could be better than the Beatles. You could be
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: a great singer. It did not matter because you didn't
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: have the backing of the intelligence community or the military
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: or the government, and you didn't know anybody important. Okay,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: so You take that same type of scenario with LA
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: in the 60s with Dave McGowan's book. He did a
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: lot of research into this. And you just... bring it
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: forward into the, you know, 70s, 80s, 90s. They just
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: expanded that. To everybody's children. Not just children of high
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: ranking military officials or people that are in the military
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: that are tried and true. They just expanded it to
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: everyone's children. They said, let's just go out everywhere and
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: let's find and get anybody's children. It doesn't matter. It's
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: identical to the MKUltra programs that were done on an
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: individual basis. You know, they scrapped that whole thing and
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: they're like, OK, well, let's we figured this out on a.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: individual level and a small group level of how we
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: can control the minds of people. You know, Dr. Ewing
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Cameron in Canada was doing that psychic driving stuff when
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the MKUltra programs were subleased out to Canada at Ravenscrag.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: And a lot of those people actually ended up suing
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: the CIA and the government and won. They didn't get
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of money, but it was verified that these
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: things did happen. But Ewing Cameron was doing this thing
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: called psychic driving where He would traumatize people. He would
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: de-pattern them. Through that traumatization, he would drug them. Then
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: he would psychically drive them, which is a looped, repeated
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: audio message that can convince a person of something that
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: they otherwise would never think or that something happened when
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: it really didn't happen because it goes both ways, right? Yeah.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: They figure that out and they're like, okay, well, let's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: just stop all that. We got that down pat. Let's
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: just do it to everybody. And then you get these
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: mass traumatization events where then things are put in the
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: place and laws are made that can be passed that
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: otherwise would not be able to be passed under normal circumstances.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: So it's really just the... evolving nature of what they
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: were doing in the 60s with Hollywood and they expanded
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: it to everyone's children. And then it's also just the
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: evolving nature of MKUltra and how they took it from
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: an individual level, just do it to everybody all at
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: once to the world. Yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And when you mentioned looped repetition and indoctrination, you see
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: it with the masses. You see, I'm sure they've taken
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff they've learned and we just see
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: whether it's here in Mexico or just in the U.S.,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: and you talk to people, even people who don't necessarily
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: have strong political positions, you hear them parroting the official narrative.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: And it's the TV that's on in the background nonstop
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: or the radio or the feeds that they check. It's
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: that looped repetition that's programming people. I just use the example,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: you know, we're hanging out with someone and I'm It's
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the two minutes of hate in Orwell. Was it Emanuel
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Goldstein or Trump? They're ranting about how much Trump is bad.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: And it's like, you're missing the forest for the trees.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Who cares about Trump? He's the Emanuel Goldstein of today.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow is going to be someone else. I wanted to
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: ask you about, so you mentioned Stargate. I'm just curious
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: if you've thought of this, of any connection, the new Stargate.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: So was it a while back you had Sam Altman
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and was it Larry Ellison of Oracle? with Trump at
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: the White House forming this new Stargate initiative with data
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: centers and AI. And then there have been separate reports
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: of Altman or people from OpenAI or such organizations themselves
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: actually talking about data centers and portals. And so I'm
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: just kind of wondering, like, is this full circle now?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Is there something going on here? Do you see any
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: relation or this could be something just completely separate?
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it's been they do this thing on purpose all
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the time where they try and hide other programs by
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: renaming a new program the exact same thing. And that's
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: one of the first things that Trump announced whenever he
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: got back in the office. in 2024 was this new
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: stargate ai and which is used to obfuscate any other
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: thing that was possibly named stargate before that right so
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: whenever you type in stargate you're going to get nothing
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: but articles from stargate trump's stargate ai right they've been
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: doing this for a really long time like with uh
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Looking Glass. If you type in Looking Glass on Google,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: it'll be just, you know, Alice in Wonderland through the
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Looking Glass. Because that was one of the latest. You
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: got to literally type in Operation Looking Glass. And then
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: whenever you type in Operation Looking Glass, you'll get that
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: it was a nuclear command post in the early 60s.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: The Air Force put in space. And so... You know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: they're trying to, you know, cover up things that, you know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: like name them very similar stuff and name them certain things.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, it pretty much obfuscates anything that
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: came before it. It's an intelligence technique that they do.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: And, you know, another point, and again, this is fleshed
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: out much more in the film with some of the
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: experts you interview, and the B-roll footage was great. It
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: just kind of makes for excellent viewing and learning. My
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: mind was boggled at, in the U.S., they were talking
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: about countless businesses, like entire buildings, businesses, offices were literally
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: fronts of for FBI, for CIA. I mean, you can
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: do an entire separate documentary, I think, on this topic,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: but were you aware of that prior and just any
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: thought on that?
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: I was aware of it to a certain extent because
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: it had come out that a lot of the mall
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: kiosk in the center of big shopping malls in the
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: United States were Israeli intelligence operations. So I knew that
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: it was happening to a certain degree, but I didn't
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: know that it was happening to such a wide degree
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: that you could be working for a business and have
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: absolutely no idea that it's an undercover FBI operation that's
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: probably been running for multiple years. But that's just how
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: deep the intelligence community goes. I mean, I did know
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: that There are spies out there that are working within
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the United States that are on multi-year undercover operations. Multi-year.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Like 10 plus years. They can be working in operation.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: And you would never know. So these things do go
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: on for a really long time. And that's how dedicated...
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: The intelligence world is in doing these types of operations. Now,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: and that's really I knew that things like that existed.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I just didn't know to the exact extent in how.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: that they can just disguise whatever they want. They can
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: use a freaking donut shop or a tea place or
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: a boba place as a front. And it's an actual
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: business that operates, but it's really actually ran by the FBI.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It's really mind-boggling. It's crazy.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: It's mind-boggling. Are there any other issues you think are
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: important that I haven't touched on? Where do you see
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: this space moving? going forward. Do you think any of
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: the new technologies that are being developed, I mean, we're
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: hearing about bio-digital convergence, you know, stuff that they're injecting
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: into people, metals, graphene, like all these sorts of experiments
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: DARPA's doing with internet connectivity and land, sea, air, space,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: inner space, outer space, cyberspace. I just sort of see
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: that coalescing a bit going forward and then you have
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: like 5g and 6g and i don't doubt that with
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: these new technologies they'll have either even greater capacity capability
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: to mess somehow i don't know how i don't know
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: the mechanism i mean as you mentioned we're already seeing
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: um the influence that they're having on the masses so
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: yeah any other thoughts uh here.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, we could probably talk about this whole thing
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: for another hour. I just looked up Walmart's new privacy policy.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: You should probably do an entire show on that. Have
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: you seen Walmart's new privacy policy in the United States?
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: No, I retweeted your ad, but do they have stuff
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: where even supposedly you walk in without a cell phone,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: like they know who you are?
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: They have your biometric data. They've been literally had facial
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: recognition on you for, I personally believe, since 2012, since
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: they started that self-checkout was that was installed with facial
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: recognition software.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: You said something interesting. So i and i think this
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: is often the case they'll bring out um some experiment
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and then later they'll take it down and saying oh
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: we lost but it's like no it fulfilled its its
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: purpose you were saying maybe that the cameras in the
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: self-checkouts the purpose was to get scan people's faces and
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: not the self-checkouts themselves just any thoughts yeah that.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. That's exactly what they're doing and what they've
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: been doing. I'm going to do a whole video on
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: this because I think that it's really important how much
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Walmart knows exactly who you are. It's kind of like
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: the Amazon store where you walk in and you can
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: take anything off of the shelf and then it automatically
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: charges your card, you know, but it's like.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: But that's an example of how the self-checkout is a
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: moot point because they're already skipping that because we're already seeing.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: And I guess the end point, which they're going to
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: roll out in many shops is there won't be any checkout.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: You're just going to take what you want and you leave. So, right.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: And they're going to be digital price tags, and it's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: going to be based off of the information that they
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: have on you and what's in your bank account and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: what's not in your bank account and what you talk
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: about on social media. Your social media is tied to this.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: The people that you follow is going to be all
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: tied to this. It's basically... Social credit system, but that's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: not what they're going to call it But that's essentially
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: what it's going to be and the prices are going
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: to be did that we've already seen this you can
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: say that this is not So crazy what they're already
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: rolling out these digital price tags and they can literally
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: change them Based on the and they're extracting your data, too.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: They're literally taking your data off of your phone through
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: a Bluetooth signal and In in figuring out everything about
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: they've already they already have that's what the flock cameras
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: are also doing all the flock cameras are a Bluetooth
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: digital signal that's extracting all the data off of your
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: phone It's not just taking pictures of you or your
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: car or your license plate it's also taking all the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: information off of your technology and So Walmart's got your
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: bio feedback data. It's got your thumbprint. It knows your iris.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: It knows your eye. It knows literally everything. Just go
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: to Walmart's new privacy policy, and you'll think by reading
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: through this that it would be, oh, maybe this is
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: just online. Maybe they just know all this stuff online
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: because I'm, well, that too, they do know that too,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: but it's not just online. It's in store as well.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Literally says it in the, the policy, but yeah, For
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: things that we didn't necessarily get to cover, I do
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: want to cover a few things really quickly because we
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: did kind of heavily go into the DIA Army Intelligence
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: remote viewing units, psychic spy unit. I mean, we kind
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: of touched on the gifted and talented education, but I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: also think that it's important to get into that because
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: that's how I believe that a lot of people are
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: to this very day because it's still going on. recruited
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: into high positions of power and how they actually find
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: the next Greta Thunberg, how they find the next LeBron
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: James talking about Black Lives Matter, how they find the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: next star athlete is through these gifted and talented education
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: programs that are being ran in public school. And it's
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: not just, you know, extracurricular classes. There are entire schools
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: that are just set up for gifted and talented children.
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  Speaker 2: Like just that has nothing in it, but children that
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  Speaker 2: have been deemed gifted and talented right so in the
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  Speaker 2: 70s uh the parents were getting really upset because they
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  Speaker 2: couldn't get their uh child's uh school records they would
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  Speaker 2: go to the to the public school and be like
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  Speaker 2: hey can i get access to my child's school records
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  Speaker 2: the the board would come back and say oh well
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  Speaker 2: uh we we can't give the give it to you
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  Speaker 2: because we don't have them So they decided to enact
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  Speaker 2: this bill called FERPA, which FERPA is the Parents Rights
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  Speaker 2: and Privacy Act. And this was to find out what's
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  Speaker 2: going on with the child school records. And they found
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  Speaker 2: out that they couldn't get access to the child school
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  Speaker 2: records because the CIA had access to all of them.
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  Speaker 2: The CIA had been collecting their child's school records, which
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  Speaker 2: had data, behavioral things on it. Anytime that they got
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  Speaker 2: in trouble, their test scores or anything that had ever
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  Speaker 2: been written down by a teacher or anybody inside of
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  Speaker 2: the school, the CIA had access to that. So FERPA
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  Speaker 2: actually got passed and the parents got the rights to
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  Speaker 2: their child's records back. But the CIA slipped in an
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  Speaker 2: amendment at the very last moment that still gave them
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  Speaker 2: the ability to get access to everybody that's in public school,
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  Speaker 2: any child in public school, access to the records. And
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  Speaker 2: then whenever 9-11 happened, They were then just able to
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  Speaker 2: get it anyway. It didn't matter at that point. So
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  Speaker 2: anything from FERPA that was left over was just disregarded
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  Speaker 2: because now we can go in and get any child
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  Speaker 2: school records because as it relates to national security, because
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  Speaker 2: domestic and foreign terrorism, right? We can do anything under
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  Speaker 2: the national security. We're protecting national security. And we can
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  Speaker 2: just make up whatever it is because, you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: the government and we can say that something is against
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  Speaker 2: national security than it is, right? National security is whatever
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  Speaker 2: that they say national security is. So that's a really
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  Speaker 2: important aspect. So when this passed, It didn't stop the
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  Speaker 2: gifted and talented education from happening. They just switched names.
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  Speaker 2: They started naming them different stuff like TAG, which is
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  Speaker 2: talented and gifted, or FOCUS, which is the acronym for
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  Speaker 2: fostering originality, creativity, and understanding and self-awareness. So a lot
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  Speaker 2: of kids remember going through really weird and strange tests
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  Speaker 2: in public school in these gifted and talented areas. schools
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  Speaker 2: and I really set out to try and prove that
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  Speaker 2: in the documentary and find documentation that proves exactly what
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  Speaker 2: they were doing in these gifted and talented classes so
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  Speaker 2: other than recruiting people because I do believe that that
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  Speaker 2: is a really big part of it it's to find
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  Speaker 2: people that they believe will be important for the future
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  Speaker 2: to put them into some Give them a writer position
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  Speaker 2: at the New York Times. Give them the head of
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  Speaker 2: the newspaper organization, you know, head of this, head of that.
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  Speaker 2: And then they just create front people for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these organizations because the military is actually the ones
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  Speaker 2: that created a lot of this technology. But they need
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  Speaker 2: a front person out there to take the fall for
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  Speaker 2: anything that might happen to the company or the organization
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  Speaker 2: like a Mark Zuckerberg. He didn't create Facebook. He was
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: just put out there as the leader. the face of Facebook. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And there's been several other people like that as well.
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  Speaker 2: I believe Steve Jobs was the same type of person.
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  Speaker 2: He might have had some kind of hand in creating
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  Speaker 2: some kind of software. But I believe that the majority
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  Speaker 2: of the things that happen are military created technology. Through
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  Speaker 2: bringing in a lot of these gate kids, these smart kids,
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  Speaker 2: and they go to the military or they become a
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  Speaker 2: head of a corporation or, you know, they end up
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  Speaker 2: working for somebody other than themselves. Right. And so instead of.
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  Speaker 2: them creating their own business and building themselves up from
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: the bottom to where that they could be in competition
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  Speaker 2: with any other big tech giant or any other corporation
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  Speaker 2: that's doing whatever it is that they're doing, they'll be
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  Speaker 2: working for that corporation. So anything that they invent inside
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  Speaker 2: of that corporation is no longer theirs. This is why
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  Speaker 2: we would get somebody from the smartest tech person from
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  Speaker 2: India or the smartest tech person from China, because they
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  Speaker 2: will never be a CEO of a corporation or a company,
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  Speaker 2: but we can use them in our corporation and in
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  Speaker 2: our company, knowing that anything that they make for this
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  Speaker 2: corporation and the company that they would, they will never own.
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  Speaker 2: So we can just use their smarts and their talents.
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  Speaker 2: for this very purpose. So then they will not ever
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  Speaker 2: be in any direct competition with our company or with
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  Speaker 2: our corporation, right? This is the way that it works.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, several of these kids remember being involved in
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  Speaker 2: really strange experiments, such as, you know, taking a strange substance,
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  Speaker 2: playing with blocks, strings, what people describe as 3D glasses.
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  Speaker 2: And there are several programs that, you know, kind of,
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  Speaker 2: coincide with these things that people remember, such as the
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  Speaker 2: Ames Leaf Room, which was funded by the.
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  Speaker 2: Naval of office and intelligence research where this guy named Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Ames would take college students into a room and dose
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  Speaker 2: them with LSD and had a room with leaves all
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  Speaker 2: over it. And they would go outside and go out
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  Speaker 2: of their minds and they would end up in an
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  Speaker 2: emergency room because it would be in like some kind
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  Speaker 2: of psychosis. There's another experiment called the Gansfeld experiment that
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: essentially induces hallucinations and activates your psychic abilities. If people
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: want to look more into that, just type in G-A-N-Z-F-E-L-D.
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  Speaker 2: the Gansfeld experiment. So people remember a lot of these
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  Speaker 2: weird and strange tests, and these weren't just normal tests,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: you know, because I think some people are confused about
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: these and they think that they have something to do with,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the president's physical fitness test or the health
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: department coming to the school and doing some kind of
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: weird test once a month or, you know, once every
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: quarter or once a year or whatever. This is different.
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  Speaker 2: This is being pulled out of the class like every
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  Speaker 2: single day. You know, this is being or weekly, you know,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: and everyone wasn't involved in this. But again, it can
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: be hid under something that everybody was involved with, like
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: the health department coming to the thing and having people
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: drink some fluoride, right? But this is different. This is
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: something else. And I hope people really like the discussion here.
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  Speaker 2: And I hope that they check out the movie Psychic Agent,
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  Speaker 2: the gate program on Amazon Prime. And please leave a
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: rating and review. It really helps us, even if it's not.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: the best review or whatever it is. It doesn't matter
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: as long as it's really good criticism. You know, I
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: don't like criticism just for the fact of being critical.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: You have to have a really good point to your criticism.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: But yes, please leave a rating and a review and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: please give it a shot. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to, you know, I'm not allowed anymore
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  Speaker 1: since last year to leave book reviews for the verified
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: purchases I do of my guest's books. Amazon has banned
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  Speaker 1: me from that. I'm going to go in, actually, and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: see if I can give your film a review. But
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: I won't be surprised if Amazon says, no, you're not
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: allowed to review films anymore. And so all of your
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: links will be in the description. I thoroughly enjoyed the film.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Found nothing wrong, bad, interesting. about it. Where are the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: best places for people to find you? Again, you got
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: three films. They can get them in DVD, I think,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: through your link tree or buy them on Amazon Prime.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, brother, thanks so much for having me on. Really
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