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S6 E33 _ Sarah Hartsfield_ Black Widow Part 7_ The Trial Continued _ TCWT Podcast · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 2: I feel you there, but yeah, come on, join our
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  Speaker 1: We do. And we wind up doing deep talks because
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. That just comes with the territory.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So, tonight is part seven of this deep dive into
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: this bunny boiler. And what's funny is Chad GPT said
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: there was no better word for her. Sarah Hartsville. No
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  Speaker 1: better word.
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  Speaker 2: Or at least no appropriate, probably, better word. Yeah, there
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  Speaker 2: could be some. I can think of some. Yes. I
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  Speaker 2: can think of some.
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  Speaker 1: So, tonight, what are we covering?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, for, oh, we're going to be in, uh, covering
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: the trial several days in the trial. I remember, I
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: think about three days of the trial we are on
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  Speaker 2: now on the trial of Texas versus Sarah Hartsfeld. And
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: normally we would just like kind of condense the trial
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  Speaker 2: a little bit since we've already had so many episodes,
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  Speaker 2: but honestly, every single witness brought something interesting to the table.
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  Speaker 2: So I just, we just, you know, summarize the, The
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  Speaker 2: testimony from them that they, like, brought in everybody. Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: They did.
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  Speaker 1: And there was some impactful testimony.
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: There really, really was. And sadly, this trial was not
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  Speaker 2: streamed or televised. So, we had to get our... Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 2: I always try to make this mental note of that
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  Speaker 2: local news channel. OKPRC. Yes. Yes. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So... Have you ever seen the movie The Best Little
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: Whorehouse in Texas?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Marvin Zindler worked for KPRC.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: Marvin Zindler, eyewitness news.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that was real. Yes, Marvin Zindler was real. No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not from Texas.
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: So I live about 25 minutes from the original Chicken Ranch.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Is it still up?
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  Speaker 1: It's dilapidated. They moved parts of it somewhere. But what's
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  Speaker 1: left is just.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: And it's in the middle of a bunch of land.
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: And it's private. So you might get shot. So you
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  Speaker 1: don't go on there and check.
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  Speaker 2: Fine.
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  Speaker 1: Because I tried. I tried when we moved here.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you did.
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  Speaker 1: And Leitch goes, you see those purple poles? They will shoot.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: They will shoot you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's PPRC.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what are you drinking tonight?
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: I am very happy to be drinking. I am having
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: a nice cold glass of St. Supery Rosé.
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, look at that. Finally, a reward for you. Well,
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: tonight I'm drinking my Spedka vodka with Simply Blueberry Lemonade.
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  Speaker 2: It is refreshing and delicious, as always.
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: We just learned on Midday Missing I now forget which
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: state it was. It was one last week or maybe
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: it was Monday. This state produces the majority of the
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: blueberries for the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Is this a trivia question?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's what we learned, but I can't remember the
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  Speaker 1: name of the state. It was covered in one of
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  Speaker 1: our missing person cases.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Because I didn't know that they like majority came from
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  Speaker 1: one state.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't either. They do. Well, the more you know.
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: And if I can.
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  Speaker 1: Remember, I'll let you know.
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  Speaker 2: But all right well with that let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: get into tonight's case shall we.
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  Speaker 1: We shall um should we message mary and let her
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  Speaker 1: know that we are back on okay she forgot well
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: it is uh it oh it's ada oh it's big
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: brother so i thought they evicted.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: Him or something They do right now.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're still doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. That's from eight to nine Eastern. Yeah. So that's
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  Speaker 2: probably where they are.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome back to true crime and wine time. If
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: you've been writing shotgun with us through this winding pitch black.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: And my monitor just went black maze, the series, you know,
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: we have officially crossed into the home stretch. The smoke
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: of 30 years of manipulation is finally clearing up. And
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: the bill has come due.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm here for it too. We are set. Now,
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: last week in part six, we walked through the heavy
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: doors of the Chambers County Courthouse for the opening salvo
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  Speaker 2: of the state of Texas versus Sarah Hartsfeld. And we
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: watched as prosecutors stripped away the glossy veneer of Sarah's
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  Speaker 2: fifth marriage, exposing a relationship defined by incessant fighting and
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: financial control and Joe Hartsfield's desperate secret attempt to buy
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: his freedom.
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  Speaker 1: We heard harrowing testimony from Joe's family who recalled the
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  Speaker 1: chilling voicemail he left just weeks before his death. I
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  Speaker 1: went home prepared to be shot, but it didn't happen.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: And it's so sad. It is so, so sad. And
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  Speaker 2: we watched top-tier medical experts and frontline ER nurses lay
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  Speaker 2: down an unassailable clinical baseline, proving that Joe didn't suffer
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: a routine diabetic accident. His body was flooded with an
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  Speaker 2: unnaturally massive reservoir of insulin that fought against IV glucose,
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: trapping his brain in a catastrophic 20-hour metabolic basement while
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  Speaker 2: Sarah sat On the couch, monitoring the alarms. She's the worst.
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  Speaker 2: She's the worst.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine what was going through his spine as
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  Speaker 1: he laid there?
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, I hope he was unconscious.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that works.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
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  Speaker 1: So today we are diving right back into that Texas
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: courtroom for part seven. The trial continued. Now over the
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: next hour, we are taking you through the heart. of
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: the state's case as the forensic trap spring shut. Yes.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: We're going to walk you through the raw disturbing crime
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: scene photos of a neglected beach city home detail, the
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: harrowing 20 hour window of neural starvation and unleash the
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: most explosive evidentiary bomb of the entire trial. when a
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: Minnesota detective steps onto the stand to reveal that the
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: fatal 2018 shooting of her ex-fiance, David Bragg, is officially
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  Speaker 2: a live homicide investigation once again. Yes.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: Then we take you through a relentless parade of 14
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: witnesses from across the country. Ex-husbands, former friends, FBI agents,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: And surviving family members will take the stand back to back,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: exposing a terrifying decades-long pattern of retaliatory arson, staged poisonings,
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: and interstate murder-for-hire plots that she didn't get in trouble for.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. So, all right, everybody, refill those glasses and settle in.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: The past has finally caught up with Sarah Hartsfield, and
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: the reckoning is about to hit full throttle. Cheers. Cheers.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: It's nice to be drinking again.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: Right? It's been lonely for me. I'm just kidding. I'm
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: just kidding.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: The morning of day four shifted the trial from laboratory
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: theories to the raw, uncomfortable realities of the crime scene
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: and the immediate aftermath at the hospital. The prosecution focused
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: squarely on the timeline of the morning of January 7th,
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: 2023 and Exposing the gaping chasms between Sarah's story, the
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: physical evidence, and her highly unusual behavior while her husband
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: lay dying.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: She can marry JP. I found it. I will make
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: a match made in heaven for them. I will use
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: my skills and they would be great for each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, JP Miller. Now, the state called its eighth witness,
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  Speaker 2: Deputy Brian Yeatman, of the Chambers County Sheriff's Office. Led
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: by prosecutor Sarah Porterfield, Yeatman testified that he was dispatched
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: to Houston Methodist Baytown Hospital after medical staff raised red
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  Speaker 2: flags regarding foul play surrounding Joe's near-fatal admission.
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  Speaker 1: And when Yeatman interviewed Sarah in the hospital hallway... Her
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: explanation for the delay in calling 911 immediately raised suspicions.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was red flags all over the place. Now,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: she spun a narrative of an exhausting couple of days.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Joan was worn out from working night shift, and she
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: was heavily sedated and groggy on the living room couch,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: recovering from her recent breast implant surgery.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Not breast cancer like she told everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: She got a boob job.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: She did. Now, according to Yeatman, Sarah claimed Joe had
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: come home around 3 to 4 o'clock a.m. the previous day,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, p.m. the previous day and stayed in bed.
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  Speaker 2: She noted he woke up multiple times to use the
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: bathroom and grab a drink and that she had prepared
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: a broccoli cheese rice casserole around 5 p.m., of which
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Joe ate a single bowl. Crucially, Sarah told the deputy
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: that Joe explicitly asked her for two insulin meals. But
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: What else did she serve him? Because broccoli and cheese
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: rice casserole is a side.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I could go for some broccoli
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: cheese something. Sounds awesome.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: So it is yummy.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: It is yummy.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't need, I do not know much about diabetes,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: thankfully for me.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: You would not need two needles.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Would you need to need one?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: You've got to use.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: So to do insulin, you take the needle, you take
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: out the little vial, you have to put it in
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: the syringe and then give it to yourself and then
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: throw it away.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Every time you eat or? No.
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  Speaker 1: So he may. have already been thinking his stuff was
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: off and he was thinking the food wasn't going to
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: be enough. Or he takes it at certain times of
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. Well, the more you know.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Hi, Lainey.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Hi, Lainey.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: So Sarah admitted to Deputy Yeatman that she was actively
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: monitoring Joe's Dexcom app from the couch. Hearing the alarm
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: ring out and could hear him snoring loudly from the bedroom.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: She claimed she felt deeply guilty for falling asleep through
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: the alert due to her heavy post-surgery medications.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Okay. But when Deputy Yeatman left the hospital to process
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the Hartsfield residents in Beach City, the physical environment told
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: a wildly different story of chaotic neglect. He described a
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: house in complete disarray. littered with unopened moving boxes.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yep, and inside the master bedroom, the scene was grim.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: The bedsheets were violently flipped over. There was a substantial
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: pile of vomit lying fresh on the floor, and discarded
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: clothes were scattered everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Now, most striking to Deputy Yeatman, however, was the emotional
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: contrast at the hospital. So while Joe's biological family was
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: visibly distraught, weeping, and aggressively demanding a criminal investigation, Sarah
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: was eerily composed. Now, Yeatman then testified that she appeared
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: pretty content, detached, and significantly calmer than the rest of
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the grieving family, offering only a few compliments. performative, brief
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: sobs when speaking directly to him.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I wonder if she's an actress like the guy from
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the Holy Hell documentary. Or no, it wasn't Holy Hell.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: It was the pastor who laid on the ground throwing
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a fit and crying.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I think I might have ants in my eye.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: They would be great together, just saying. Now, the tension
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: in the courtroom spiked during cross-examination when defense attorney Case
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Darwin aggressively sought to introduce Defense Exhibit A, the raw
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: body camera footage of Yeatman's hospital interview with Sarah. The
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: state launched a fierce objection. excuse me, arguing the footage
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: was unauthenticated and riddled with self-serving hearsay. The judge overruled
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the state and granted a swift recess to review the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: tape before playing it for the jury.
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  Speaker 2: So when the footage rolled, Sarah could be seen wincing,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: appearing to be in physical pain as she reached into
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: her bag for her driver's license. And in the recorded interview,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: she doubled down on her timeline. She claimed that when
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: she heard the Dexcom alerts blaring throughout the morning, she
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: assumed Joe was simply treating his low sugar himself by
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: getting up to drink juice. And she even was claiming
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: that she repeatedly refilled his glass for him. Now, we've
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: learned that is not how any of this works.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Was she asleep from the drugs? Or did she know
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: what was going on? I mean, she's talking about the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: mouth and her butt. But anyway, she told the deputies
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that around 1, she walked into the bedroom to find
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Joe completely drenched in sweat, his blood sugar reading a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: near deadly 40, and vomit covered over his face and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: his chest. Yet, despite this catastrophic sight, she waited another
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: full hour. Until 2-0-2 to finally dial 9-1-1. You bitch.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: She was hoping he would.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: But I thought she was going in and out of
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the room.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: And giving him juice.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: All the time. Yeah. Now, on the tape, Sarah wept dramatically, crying,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I've done all I can to monitor him. I don't
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: know how it got this bad. But her grief quickly
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: pivoted to calculations. She looked directly at Deputy Yeatman and
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: pointedly asked, Is there a role you play in this?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Is it just to document what happened? Yeatman testified that
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the moment he looked her in the eye and told
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: her flatly that things were not looking good for Joseph,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Sarah instantly became hysterical. I bet she had ants in
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: her eyes.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I bet she did. Yet, Darwin managed to extract a
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: vital concession from the deputy before he stepped down. Yeatman
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: admitted that because Sarah told him she only ever touched
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: two specific insulin pins, he completely bypassed dusting the kitchen
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: fridge or the medication for fingerprints, deeming it unnecessary.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to watch a lot of trials.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: This is a place they cohabited together.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: There's really no point at that, you know, instance to,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: you know, dust for fingerprints on medicine that she easily
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: could have touched at any point in time.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I moved double H's around in the refrigerator,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you know, to get to the butter and stuff.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: They're in the fridge.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Mix it up for him, the syringe and take it
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: So, yeah. Yeah. So it's really not that big of
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: a deal that they didn't fingerprint. I mean, there's some
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: other things that's problematic, but that's really not one of them. Now, furthermore,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeatman admitted that under the explicit direction of his supervisors,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: he had initially categorized his file as a lower-level criminal
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: negligent homicide. And he bluntly testified that he did not
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: know who, how, when, or how What kind of insulin
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: was given to Joe and could not personally explain how
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: anyone intentionally caused his death? Well, it's not just up
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to this guy.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's a police officer.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: He's just a deputy. No offense to deputies. I don't
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: mean it like that. He's not a doctor.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: He doesn't.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: He might not even understand how diabetes and insulin. Is
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it one, two?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: really think that's, he's not even the lead detective, I'm
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: pretty sure. So, well, I know he's not. I know
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: who is. So.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: So, the prosecution called its night witness. Oh, boy. Here
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: we go. Dr. E.E.T.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Me. Oh, gaga.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Did I even come close?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Go, go.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Go, go.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's E.E.T. me. Oh, shit. E.E.T. me. Oh, go, go. Oh, go, go. Sorry.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: We're doing our best, doctor. We're doing our best.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: No disrespect.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: The emergency room physician who treated Joe at Houston Methodist Baytown,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a veteran physician licensed across multiple states. The good doctor,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: we're not going to, I'm not going to slander his
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: name anymore, told the jury about her harrowing account after
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Joe's arrival at 3.12 p.m.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Now, EMS brought Joe in with a blood glucose level
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: scraping the 20s. He was completely unresponsive, grunting through shallow breaths,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: covered in vomit, and displaying deep, dark bruising across both
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: of his arms and lower legs. Dr. Ogogo immediately placed
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: him on life support and ordered emergency intervention.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I'm going to stick with that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Gogo testified that Joe's failure to respond to massive repeated
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: doses of intravenous dextrose, guys, was highly unusual and outside
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: her 10 years of medical experience. So she's saying, guys,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: in 10 years, being a doctor, not counting med school
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and all that, she hadn't seen anything like this.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And diabetic patients are fairly common. It's not a
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: rare thing. I think it's more rare for there to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: be type 1 than type 2, but still, like, it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: not uncommon. Yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Now, a subsequent CT scan confirmed the worst. Joe's brain
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: cells had already starved to death from prolonged glucose deprivation.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Addressing his positive benzodiazepine result on Joey's toxicology screen, Dr.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Ogogo clarified that she explicitly canceled an initial sedative order
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: joe only received a benzo much later in the afternoon
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to physically control violent seizures tearing through his damaged brain
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: she gave him the lorazepam to help try to calm
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: his body guys oh.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Now, beyond the bizarre medical data, it was Sarah's behavioral
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: directives that alarmed the ER staff. Dr. Ogogo testified that
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Sarah explicitly instructed her not to communicate with Joe's family
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: or provide them with any medical updates. Like, what? No.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: They hadn't been married that long.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: No.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I mean... Who the hell does she think she is?
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. To do that to anyone when it is this
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: serious to me is disgusting. It really, really is. To
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: his mother. I know.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it would be different if he had a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: mother like Sarah Hartsfield. But he didn't. He had a
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: good mom. So yeah, she's just horrible. So given Joseph's
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: severe state, I assumed a loved one would want to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: know information about him.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Ogogo told the jury, her voice tight. She testified that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Sarah's aggressive attempt to withhold information made her incredibly uncomfortable
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and highly suspicious of her motives. Me too. Me too, doctor.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, they see a lot of people in grief
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and high emotional situations that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: They would have given me the benzo.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: It would be giving me the.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Benzo if that was a double H laying on that table.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Me too, girl. Me too. Now, when court
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: resumed after lunch, further hospital records revealed that Sarah had
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: attempted to explain away the severe dark rashes and bruising
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: on Joe's body by telling staff he had suffered chemical
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: burns at work. Well, those look very different than bruising,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: but okay. And I am not a doctor or medical professional,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: but I do have a brain and eyeballs. They look
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: very different. Now, she also immediately requested that Joe be
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: designated as a do not resuscitate DNR, which I don't
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: honestly think that's that weird at all. S-X-A-N-R.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Situation, that was probably the most humane thing she's done
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: since we have met her.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, quite frankly. Now, while Dr. Ogogo noted DNR requests
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: aren't inherently unusual for terminal patients, Joe's cardiovascular records showed
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: his heart was already failing to pump functionally due to
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the sheer physical trauma of the crash. So, I mean,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: he was already out.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Your glucose crashing like that. That's why they have diabetic coma. And, oh,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: my gosh. Now, the state then called neurologist Dr. Saeed Kakahishan.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Kakashani.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Kakashani. Yes. To hammer home the exact window of death.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Reviewing Joe's MRIs, Dr. Kakashani pointed to extensive irreversible ischemic damage,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: meaning the brain was completely starved of oxygen and sugar.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Can we get some easier names next time?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: We're doing our best, doctors. Now, Dr. Kakashani. Khakhishani delivered
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a devastating baseline to the jury. Severe hypoglycemia can cause
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: permanent irreversible brain damage in as little as four to
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: five hours. 20 hours? Said Dr. Khakhishani testified flatly is
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: far too long. In fairness- Terry and I are running
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: on like four to five hours of sleep each. We are.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It's been a long day for us.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: We are.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to just be perfectly transparent. I probably
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: still couldn't say it, even if I had sleep.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Well, no.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I hope I never run into the doctor if monkey
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: butt ever winds up in that hospital because she lives
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: right by it. Now, he ruled out a stroke entirely.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: classifying Joe's death as a sudden acute event triggered exclusively
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: by massive medication or insulin toxicity. He added that if
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a person had introduced secondary sedatives like Valium or Benadryl
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: into Joe's system alongside the insulin flood, he would have
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: become utterly incapacitated, entirely unable to get up, walk around,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: or even save his own life.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Remember, he tested positive for benzos. Yeah. That's what the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: doctor is hinting at there. Yeah. He was getting the
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: insulin and benzos.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: It's okay if you laugh at us.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: You can laugh at us. I say names wrong all
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the time on couch court. It's everybody's favorite thing. Listen
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: to Lama try to pronounce this thing she doesn't know how.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I still say it's St.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Louis. That's true. That's true. Now, the anatomical proof of
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: this medical execution fell to the state's 11th witness, Dr.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Marianne Bainan, the assistant medical examiner with the Harris County
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Institute of Forensic Sciences. Having conducted over 2,000 autopsies, Dr.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Bainon testified that the official cause of death was definitive
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: complications of the toxic effects of insulin.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And what some people, I don't know if you've noticed,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: he died in Chambers County. They actually went to Harris County,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: which is Houston. They went to the big guns for
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the medical examiner because they knew something was up.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: That they have probably a much better toxicology department or
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: resources to test for things that normally.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: And it's bigger. I mean, it's Houston.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Baytown's not that far from Houston, correct? It's not. Okay.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I worked at the mall in Baytown, Texas growing up.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Okay.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Now, Dr. Binion testified that Joe's brain showed catastrophic global
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: hypoxic ischemic injury. She confirmed she found absolutely zero anatomical
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: evidence of a stroke. Despite Sarah repeatedly calling her office
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and even mailing a home surveillance video clip that Sarah
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: claimed proved Joe was having a stroke. Girl, I think
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the doctor would know better than you.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Just say it. Now, on cross-examination, Darwin pressed Dr. Beynon
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: on why she ultimately listed the manner of death as
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: undetermined rather than homicide. Beynon did not flinch. She explained
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that undetermined is a standard forensic classification used when an
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: examiner cannot single-handedly prove the exact physical mechanics of how
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a toxin works. was introduced. So it doesn't rule out,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: quite frankly, anything. But if they can't be like, oh yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: here you go, then that's what they check.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Question maybe somebody in chat will know or on the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: replay crew. If you were to take insulin with the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: syringe and shoot it into a glass of orange juice,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: would it have the same effect by ingesting it instead
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: of injecting it?
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Probably not as quickly. Because I imagine there's some sort of, Sylvie,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: you said you wanted outside. My goodness. Right?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. So now the doctor, she looked directly at
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the jury box and stated that determining the intent behind
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that fatal dose was ultimately their job.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, you were, sorry. I just got why you were
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: asking that. You think maybe she put a bunch in
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the orange juice.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Or in the broccoli rice casserole.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I never thought of that. Maybe.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Because, yeah. So, I mean, just the way my brain works.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Because she had tried poisoning before.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: So. But, not to be, this is all super gruesome,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: but she also gave him the Benzo. And we know
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: when you have that and you have this, you can't
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: move at all. Right. So, is it noticeable marks? If
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: you have to inject it or it's not like drawing
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: blood or something.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: No, but there is a little mark.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Okay. A little bitty. Oh, you wouldn't want too many
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: of those. So maybe.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: But she could give him an overdose. So I think
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: part of it depends. Was it needles in the vial
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: or were.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: They auto filled? I don't know.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: So I just wonder now.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Just all horrible. There is no better. There's no good.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: This is as bad as suffocating to death in Vietnam. Yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I know. Now, the doctor added that in her entire
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: career overseeing thousands of deaths, she had only ever handled
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a single insulin overdose case. The man lying on her table,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Joseph Hartsfield.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Well, Sarah did not pick a very good topic here.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Thank goodness. My goodness. Wow.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was hoping, I think, that nobody would
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: think anything.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I just Googled a picture of Case Darwin, and you
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: need to.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, I haven't actually bothered to see what it looks like.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Those eyes.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I can, yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But we will keep going.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Not what I imagined him to look like.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, not what I thought he
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: was going to look like.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: All right, my dogs need out. If you don't mind
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: picking up for me. I can. Thank you.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Now, with the medical timeline firmly locked at 20 hours
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of agonizing starvation, Prosecutor Vargas unleashed the state's most anticipated
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: evidentiary bomb. Detective Brandon Cruz from the Douglas County Sheriff's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Office in Minnesota walked up to the witness stand.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: The jury leaned in as Cruz transported the courtroom back
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to May 9th, 2018. He testified that he was the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: lead detective assigned to investigate Sarah after she shot and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: killed her then-fiancé, David Bragg.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: These dogs are going to be the end of me. Again,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: they don't want to go outside. They just want to
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: scratch at the door and stare at it when I
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: open it.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I do. Oh, my goodness.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Sorry about that, folks. Now, Cruz recounted Sarah's original statement
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: from that blood-soaked evening. She claimed she and Bragg had
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: recently separated, but were still cohabitating with her three children.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: She told police that her ex-husband, Chris, had just returned
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: from a military deployment in Korea to surprise their daughters
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: for a birthday, triggering a violent, jealous domestic rage in Bragg.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, Sarah. No.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Cruz testified that Sarah claimed she left the house to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: pick up her kids from the school bus, but deliberately
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: armed herself with a handgun in her back pocket before
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: walking back inside the home to gather clothes.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: As one does. Now, she told investigators that during the
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: ensuing argument, she drew her gun, pulled the trigger directly
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: at Bragg, but the weapon failed to fire.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: For somebody who was in the military for so long?
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Okay. Then Bragg then allegedly wrestled the gun away and
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: fired a shot that lodged into the ceiling. Sarah claims
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: she then drew a second hidden firearm from her person,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: fired a tight grouping of rounds, and watched Bragg collapse
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: to the floor while her daughter Hannah dialed 911. That's right.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: She lives out up to her kid. She is the worst.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: And she took not one, but two guns. Okay. Now,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Cruz's voice remained coolly analytical as he laid out the glaring,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: suspicious anomalies that had haunted him for four years. First,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: it was profoundly odd and highly unusual for a domestic
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: violence victim to deliberately arm themselves with two separate firearms
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and force their way back into a volatile house instead
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: of simply driving away to safety.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Exactly. There's no reason to go back in the house,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: at least not for her, you know, or the children.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Just drive up and go.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And you said you went for clothes? Go down the
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: street to Walmart and buy.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Some new ones. Yeah. There was no reason to go
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: back inside the house, if that was true, which I
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: don't believe was true. Just my opinion. Then, there was
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the fact that David Bragg was found dead with multiple
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: bullet hole injuries, wounds in his back and lower left abdomen.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: The rounds were recovered in an incredibly tight, highly precise
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: tactical grouping. I wonder why. Oh, that's right. She was
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: in the military. Mm-hmm. And what was incredibly interesting was
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: that the magazine clip from Bragg's own handgun was completely
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: missing from the scene. What? Yeah. An extreme abnormality for
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a weapon that had allegedly just been fired at her. Yeah,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: so weird.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: You know what? Maybe a spaceship came down and beamed
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it up?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah, that's definitely what had to have happened, right?
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So... Now, Cruz looked across the room at Sarah, testifying
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: that her story was riddled with structural inconsistencies from day one.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Though the Douglas County prosecutor had initially declined to file
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: charges in 2018, Cruz dropped a massive revelation to end
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the day's sessions. Following Joe Hartfield's death in Texas, the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Minnesota homicide case had officially completely ended. been reopened. The case,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Detective Cruz testified directly to the quiet courtroom, is still
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: open currently.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I still, you know, Joe would have still been alive
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: had they have done something in Minnesota.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Agreed. And unfortunately for the detective, he is at the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: mercy of the prosecutor.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: That is absolutely true. Yeah. Like, I mean, It's a whole,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: it's a whole thing. But that's, you know, it's sad
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: that two men had to lose their lives for her
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: to finally. Anyway, well, day five of the trial was
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: a relentless historic parade of witnesses that utterly demolished any
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: remaining illusion of Sarah Hartsfeld as an innocent victim of circumstances.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Over the course of seven grueling hours, the prosecution summoned
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: a cross-country network of exes, family members, federal law enforcement,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: and former close friends. Together, their testimonies established a terrifying,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: decades-long pattern of calculated violence, arson, and psychological control. What
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: a busy day in court. That is a lot of
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: witnesses for what it is. I know.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, I wish it would have been. I
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: wish I would have known the trial was actually going
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: because I should have driven there.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the day began with Hannah Williamson, who was
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a friend and former. She was a former close friend
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: stationed with Sarah at Fort Hood. Now, Williamson described a
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: 20-year bond so tight that Sarah said, had even named
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: a child after her. Yet, Williamson testified that the rapid
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: 2021 marriage to Joe Hartsfield was devoid of any visible affection.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: During a visit to the couple's beach house, Williamson witnessed
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: an argument explode over something embarrassingly trivial, revealing a lightning-fast
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: change in Sarah's demeanor that left her genuinely fearing for
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Joe's life. Williamson also recounted the moment Sarah casually bragged
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: about the 2018 Minnesota shooting of David Bragg, boasting that
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: she fired until the gun emptied and that local police
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: barely questioned her, even letting her ride in the front
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: seat of the patrol car. Which is totally... a normal
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: response for anybody when they have to kill somebody in self-defense.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of sarcasm there.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, and let's be honest, most police cars that
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I've seen, they have stuff in the front seat. Nobody
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: can sit there unless they have a partner. They have
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a computer. Okay, Sarah. But anyway, most damning, Williamson revealed
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: that Sarah had openly outlined the 2021 interstate murder-for-hire plot
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: involving David George. Now, Williamson was so terrified, and I've
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: gone dark, was so terrified by Sarah's escalating behavior that
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: she spent an hour scouring the internet to find Joe's
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: parents' phone number to warn them. That says a lot.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: She said, I was frightened Sarah would know I was
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: reaching out. Williamson whispered to the jury, adding, I am
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: still frightened to be here now.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Wow. That is very impactful. Yeah.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Cause she was in the military too.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And known her for 20 years. Just so sad.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Then Doris Swart, the mother of the late David Bragg
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: took the stand to deliver a harrowing timeline. Swart testified
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that in May, 2018, Sarah had been down in Texas
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: while Bragg was in Minnesota. The moment Sarah returned north,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: her son lived for only three more days.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Sword exposed how? Oh my goodness, excuse me.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Bless you. Bless you again.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Now, Swart exposed how Sarah drugged Bragg, giving him unprescribed
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Ritalin by day for energy to rebuild the house and
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: unprescribed Ambien by night.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Not a good combo. I don't know if you're supposed
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: to take those.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Swart initially believed Sarah's claims of a chaotic
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: sleepwalking self-defense shooting. But her suspicion came about when she
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: realized her son, an animal, Expert marksman would have instantly
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: known if the gun he was holding lacked a magazine clip,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: as Sarah claimed.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Swart wept as she recalled sick Sarah at the funeral home,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: touching Bragg's corpse and murmuring, why did you make me
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: do that? Before instantly pivoting to aggressive non-stop shopping trips.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: This was the brazenness. Of this woman. Yeah. To talk
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the way she does. To behave the way she does.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: And this is what happens. When people keep getting away
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: with shit.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: It's why you have to have consequences.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: And I know I'm the hard ass. And I'm you know.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: But there's got to be consequences.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: But.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Now the prosecution. Then links Sarah to a terrifying history.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of retaliatory fires that we covered in the first couple episodes,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: her biological brother, Cody Smith, took the stand to recount
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the night their grandmother's farmhouse, which had been left to
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Cody in the will, was mysteriously burned to the ground
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: in 2014, just after Sarah had cleaned out the antiques inside.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: So much bad luck following this woman around. It's so bizarre.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: And Surely it's all a coincidence. Now, Cody's 10-year-old son
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: was hospitalized with severe smoke inhalation and facial burns from
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: the blaze. When Cody called Sarah half an hour after
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: the fire department left, she was chillingly alert, snapping, Well,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I'm still here, so whatever you were trying to do
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: didn't work.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Now, Cody noted their family dog and the physical copy
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: of the will from the home safe both vanished that night.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, they need to get that house checked. I mean,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: it's burned to the ground because you've got gremlins or something.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Now, next on the stand was her first husband, Titus Kernschild,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: who testified about their tumultuous 1993 marriage. When he attempted
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: to leave her for another woman. Sarah issued an ultimatum.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: That mirrored. Pretty much all of her future relationships. Quotes.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I don't leave her. She leaves me. I mean.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: What I find so interesting. We hear this a lot
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: from men. Normally. If I can't have you. Nobody will.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Kind of thing. You don't leave me. I leave you
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: like property. Shame. And a female arsonist. Just a lot
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: of unusual things. But shortly after, in 1995, someone splashed
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: gasoline across his trailer home while he and his girlfriend
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: were inside watching a movie. His future wife explicitly spotted
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Sarah running away into the darkness to get even.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Then there was former partner Brian Altus, who testified about
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: a volatile 2016 affair with Sarah. On the exact day
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: a restraining order was served against him, Sarah lured him
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: to a meeting by claiming she was pregnant. After demanding
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: to use his bathroom for over 15 minutes, she departed,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: and within 30 minutes of her exit, Altus received a
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: call from police informing him his house was actively on fire.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Sarah subsequently text messaged him, implying his own family had
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: set the fire to frame her. Oh, and by the way,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: she never gave birth to a child. There it was.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: She couldn't have kids.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine getting this crazy woman out of your house?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: And so you go to the local bar, local pub
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: to have a drink and you get a call from
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Saying your house is on fire.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: This is why police don't often believe in quinky dinks.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Right? Agreed.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Between the stories of house fires, the jury received an
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: ironclad lesson in federal corroboration. FBI Special Agent John W.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Anderson confirmed the validity of the 2021 investigations.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Now, Anderson testified that David George had confessed the entire
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: scheme to an attorney, petrified of Sarah's control over him.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: The FBI corroborated the hit with ring doorbell footage showing
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: George attempting a fraudulent flower delivery at the Target's Arizona home,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: confirming George wouldn't have done that at all if it
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: weren't for Sarah.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: And I still have the questions. why didn't y'all charge
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: her with something FBI?
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, am I wrong?
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: You got all that. You've got the ring doorbell footage
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: proving what the guy is telling you.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Well, no, because we learned at first he, he recanted
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: that from the FBI and said it wasn't true. And
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: then after she was arrested, he was like, Oh, by
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: the way, I lied.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Right. So they already had the ring doorbell footage.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: But it's hard to say what somebody's intent is when
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: they're just holding flowers.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: It's Sarah. It's Sarah. If Sarah's involved, it's bad.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I will say the one thing that I've liked about
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: this trial is them putting all of her tricks out
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: on the table to her. They have. Like, girl, you
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: ain't that clever. Look how dumb you are. Look how
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: obvious you are. And I appreciate that.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I was surprised the judge let it all in.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Me too. Me too. Some 404B questions.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I was very surprised because I was like, hmm.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: It establishes patterns of behavior. So I'm sure the 404B.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And that's the other reason I thought.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be. Yeah. I mean, what if
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: it was just behavior? If you have a pattern of
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: cheating on your spouse, that can be brought in. And
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: that's not a criminal offense, you know, but yeah. Oh,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sure those four B arguments were good. I really do.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: How does testify stuff she said and things? I'm like,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: all of that is hearsay, isn't it?
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Yes. I don't know exactly the way it was worded.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: I remember our notes are from a live blog.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: But.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I just have a lot of questions. You miss a
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: lot of things there.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe I should reach out to Kay Starwin and see
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: if he wants to have lunch the next time I'm
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: in town and tell me.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I'll buy him lunch. Now, the emotional climax of the
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: afternoon shifted back to Chambers County as former Lieutenant Robert
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Hemingway took the stand. Hemingway admitted that his initial skepticism... Yeah,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: my new cord's not doing its job. It keeps going
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: black again. His initial skepticism about foul play evaporated the
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: moment Sarah began speaking. So basically the minute she opened
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: her mouth.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: He described her demeanor at the hospital while her husband
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: lay unresponsive on life support as entirely nonchalant, lighthearted, and
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: occasionally laughing. delivering answers that sounded no most rehearsed. You
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying?
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Hemingway described the Beach City home as a biohazard, testifying
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: it reeked of animal feces and urine, with a trashed
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: bathroom and insulin pens casually strewn about. He watched body
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: camera footage of Sarah walking officers through the clutter, casually
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: calling her dying husband a pig.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Gross.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: That is disgusting.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Now, in a moment of transparency, Hemingway looked at the
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: jury and admitted that his failure to bring in a
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: crime scene tech or preserve those insulin pins was 100
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: percent an error. And normally in cases, I mean, like, oh,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: it's a big freaking problem. But also all the medical
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: stuff makes it completely irrelevant. Yeah. In this situation, I
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: don't feel like it really matters.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: But I love that he owned up to it because
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: not a lot of officers that we have witnessed, Proctor.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Looking at you, Massachusetts.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Massachusetts. Could you imagine if this would have happened
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: in Massachusetts? She would be free.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: The final devastating nails in Sarah's coffin were hammered home
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: by her own realtor, Aaron Papson, and Joe's co-worker, Noah Abston.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Papson testified that during their very first meeting in June 2021,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Sarah intensely blurted out that she had been investigated by
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: the FBI for a murder plot.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Why does she keep talking about this? It's so weird.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: She didn't have skeletons in her closet. She just parades
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: them for everybody.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: That's true. Oh, by the way, the FBI tried to
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: get me for a murder-for-hire plot, and I shot my
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: ex-fiancee in self-defense, and yada, yada, yada. What?
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: What?
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Why do you keep saying that?
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: It's weird. Well, I'm glad she's stupid, though.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry. I got some Big Brother news I was
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: very excited about. Sorry. Distraction. Distraction.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Do you need to share with anybody watching?
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Apparently they're going to be doing the pressure cooker very soon.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: So nevermind. It's a, it's a big brother thing.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: We're almost done.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Bye. Oh, it's not today. I don't know. I don't know.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But if so, well, so much for
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: me going to bed early for once after the last
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: two days. Oh my goodness.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: And guess what? Sweetheart. That second wind is going to
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: pop in.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to open a freaking Alani. Cancel
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: all our shows tonight. Is it tonight, Lady and Gray?
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Shit.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. Sorry, let's get back to the story.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: My apologies. This is way more important.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: It's okay.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: So, anyway. More critically, Papson, who was the realtor, introduced
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: a series of late December 2022... text messages Sarah had
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: sent him. While Joe was working grueling plant shifts, Sarah
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: was actively designing an exit strategy that cut him out completely, texting, quote,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: he literally buried me in debt, end quote. After Joe died,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Sarah sent Pabst in his obituary, falsely claiming he had
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: passed from a sudden stroke and left a missed call
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: on the realtor's phone at 1.30 in the morning. Sure,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: totally normal.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Noah Abston, Joe's cousin and coworker at the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: LaPorte Chemical Plant. Oh, I didn't realize he worked in LaPorte, Texas.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Closed out the day by confirming the trap Joe was
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: desperately trying to snap. Abston testified that on January 3rd, 2023,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: A mere four days before his fatal insulin crash, Joe
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: had explicitly begged him for a place to live so
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: he could finally escape the marriage. Joe was packing his bags,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: his family had funded a secret bank account, and his
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: exit strategy was in motion.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: The jury was dismissed and left to sit over the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: weekend with the chilling realization of what happened when a
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: man tried to leave Sarah Hartsfield. She didn't let them go.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: The houses burned, the triggers were pulled, and the insulin
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: was drawn.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Now, guys, that brings us to the close of part seven.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: The prosecution has established the terrifying reality. Joe Hartsfield didn't
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: suffer a routine diabetic crash. He was trapped in a
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: 20-hour metabolic basement. flooded with a massive reservoir of insulin
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: while the clock ran out. And remember, that Dexcom was
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: beeping that whole time.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: The whole time. The whole time. Well, next time on
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: True Crime and Wine Time, the state unleashes its absolute
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: masterclass in part eight, The Trap Closes. We'll take you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: back inside the courtroom as prosecutors strip away Sarah's detached
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: defense by bringing her past straight to the witness stands.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: You will hear from her surviving family, ex-husbands, and her
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: own children who took the stand back-to-back, trembling with decades
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: of fear to shatter her self-defense narratives, to tell her
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: history of arson, and expose an explosive interstate murder-for-hire plot
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: and more.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Then we'll walk you through the micro-level digital timeline of
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: the crime itself. Detective Skylar Rocks takes the stand to
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: reveal the forensic download of Sarah's iPhone. You'll see how
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Apple StepData, purged browser histories, and encrypted access keys prove
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: that while Joe lay comatose, Sarah was actively pacing the house,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: job hunting, and harvesting his digital estate hours before ever
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: calling 911.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Now, guys, I need to warn you. You need to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: get ready, because next week, 30 years of calculated manipulation
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: crumble under the weight of unassailable digital and human testimony,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: and the trap finally springs shut on Sarah Hartsfield.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, we're so close. We're so close to justice.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Do not like her.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Nope. Nope. Not at all. And I think a lot
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: of the testimony that was done in these few days
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: that we covered tonight is very compelling. I mean, for
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: a circumstantial case, if you will, it's pretty solid.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Next week, I'm going to say have the tissues ready.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Because next week's rough.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:03:52
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• 1:03:55
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• 1:04:45
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  Speaker 1: I am going to close a little different today besides
• 1:04:50
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• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: don't be Sarah.
• 1:04:56
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• 1:05:00
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  Speaker 2: is the most dangerous time for anybody. To leave an
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: abusive partner. That is the most dangerous time. Unfortunately, Joe
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: is not alone in what happened to him.
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  Speaker 1: And economic doesn't have anything to do with it. It
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you live in the best part of
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: town or if you live in the worst part of
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: town or if you live, you know, unhoused.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. Well, thanks so much for being with us today.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: And as I always say, Go forth and be amazing.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: All right. Bye, friends. Have a good night.