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The Late Debate | 21 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, welcome the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. I'm James
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  Speaker 2: Macpherson with the Nikker to Georgio and Caleb Bond and
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  Speaker 2: we worked out pre show.
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  Speaker 1: None of us are doing anything at all this weekend, which.
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  Speaker 3: Is wonderful, isn't it. Just you need those weekends sometimes
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  Speaker 3: where you just you don't do much. You sit around,
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  Speaker 3: you're a bit lazy. Maybe do a bit of cooking,
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  Speaker 3: bit of drinking, what you know, just enjoy yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you need to.
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  Speaker 5: R and I you need to scent to yourself and
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  Speaker 5: come back after a big social cup.
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  Speaker 3: What's a bit of footy? Of course you'll be doing that,
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  Speaker 3: won't you.
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  Speaker 2: James, I will be watching my team on Saturday. Let's
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  Speaker 2: face it, Sydney weather the way it is this weekend,
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  Speaker 2: it's a good weekend for sitting at home. But we've
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  Speaker 2: got lots to talk about tonight. Is what's coming up.
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  Speaker 2: New data shows twenty seven percent of all Australian school
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  Speaker 2: students and now classified as having a disability. What on
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  Speaker 2: earth is wrong with our kids or is there something
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  Speaker 2: else going on? The BBC has published a report on
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  Speaker 2: Afghan fathers selling their daughters as sex slaves, with the suggestion.
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  Speaker 1: That it's the fathers who are the victims.
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  Speaker 2: And a police officer has reached the mandatory retirement age,
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  Speaker 2: but he's taking his case to the Queensland Human Rights Commission,
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  Speaker 2: claiming being forced to retire at age sixty is discrimination.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that shortly, but first, Penny
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  Speaker 2: warm I got to say her moral outrage is highly selective.
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  Speaker 2: To say the least, our Foreign Minister couldn't find the
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  Speaker 2: time to visit the site of the October seven massacre
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  Speaker 2: when she was in Israel, but she found plenty of
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  Speaker 2: time today to rail against Israel.
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  Speaker 1: What was it that upset her? Well, it was this
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  Speaker 1: video posted.
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  Speaker 2: By Israel's Security minister of himself taunting detained activists from
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  Speaker 2: the ill conceived Gaza flotilla and.
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  Speaker 1: A look whom my bamily saying.
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  Speaker 2: After watching the Pennywong issued a withering statement today saying
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  Speaker 2: the images we have seen posted by the minister who
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  Speaker 2: Australia has sanctioned are shocking and unacceptable. We condemn his
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  Speaker 2: actions and the degrading actions of Israeli authorities towards those detained.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's ambassador to Israel has made representations to Israel reiterating
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  Speaker 2: our call for the release of the detained Australians and
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  Speaker 2: for Israel to ensure no ill treatment of any detainees
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  Speaker 2: and to act in line with international obligations. Presumably the
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  Speaker 2: agitator should have been given foot massages while the National
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  Speaker 2: Security Minister handed out tea and biscuits. I mean, Christians
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  Speaker 2: are being slaughtered by Islamists in Nigeria. Tens of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of unarmed civilians were murdered by the Iranian leadership. Muslims
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  Speaker 2: are being persecuted in China. But Penniwong she loses sleep
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  Speaker 2: over what she receives to be the unacceptable treatment of
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  Speaker 2: her Musk sympathizers who chose to play chicken with the
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  Speaker 2: IDF off the coast of a war zone. These activists
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  Speaker 2: have spent the past two years spreading lives about Israel
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  Speaker 2: engaging in a genocide, and they set sail to Gaza
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  Speaker 2: with the express intention of manufacturing a showdown with the IDF.
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  Speaker 2: You know, by taking them into custody rather than allowing
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  Speaker 2: them to get to Gaza, Israel's likely saved these weak
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  Speaker 2: mind and fools lives. A bit of sledging and flag
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  Speaker 2: waving is tame compared to what Hamas would have done
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  Speaker 2: to them. Would the Israeli minister have been better to
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  Speaker 2: keep his mouth shut? Probably, But then I'm saying that
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  Speaker 2: as someone who didn't watch more than a thousand of
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  Speaker 2: my countrymen slaughtered on home soil while the rest.
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  Speaker 1: Of the world looked the other way.
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  Speaker 2: I think this particular incident, Caleb says more about the
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  Speaker 2: Australian government with its reaction than anything about the Israeli government.
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  Speaker 3: But to be fair, though, I think the Australian government's reaction,
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  Speaker 3: which is not dissimilar to the reaction of the Israeli
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  Speaker 3: Prime minister Prime Minister Benjamin Nitt Yahoo, is fair.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there have to.
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  Speaker 3: Be certain standards and rules that you wouldhere to in
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  Speaker 3: a liberal democracy, and for a minister to go about
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  Speaker 3: taunting people who have been arrested essentially and saying you
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  Speaker 3: know where the landlord's here in Israel is just not necessary.
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  Speaker 3: It actually hands propaganda tools to these people that they
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  Speaker 3: do not deserve. Now, I've said many times that I
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  Speaker 3: think they ought to be allowed to float into Gaza
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  Speaker 3: and when they get there, whatever happens to them there
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  Speaker 3: ain't none of my business. You know, if they come
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  Speaker 3: a cropper, well, you were stupid enough to go there,
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  Speaker 3: and you get what you deserve, so you sort of
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  Speaker 3: you hand them the propaganda tool to say, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we were abducted, as they always say. And then on
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  Speaker 3: top of that, you've got Itamar Bengavia going in and
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  Speaker 3: making a fool of himself in this circumstance, which opens
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  Speaker 3: it up to his own prime minister and other governments intervening,
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  Speaker 3: and the Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney is another one.
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  Speaker 3: She said, the images of Israeli Minister Ben Gavi are unacceptable.
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  Speaker 3: It's inadmissible that these demonstrators, including many Italian citizens, are
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  Speaker 3: subject to to this treatment that violates human dignity. The
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  Speaker 3: Italian government is immediately taking, at the highest institutional levels
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  Speaker 3: all necessary steps to obtain the immediate release of the
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  Speaker 3: Italian citizens involved. Italy also demands an apology for the
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  Speaker 3: treatment reserved for those demonstrators and for the total disregard
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  Speaker 3: shown towards the explicit requests of the Italian government. And
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  Speaker 3: this is not a rabid left wing prime minister saying
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  Speaker 3: this either. There are just certain standards you have to
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  Speaker 3: adhere to. We'd be saying it if we had. Imagine
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  Speaker 3: if a minister in Australia decided he was going to
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  Speaker 3: go around in the cells overnight with people who've been
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  Speaker 3: arrested and going, oh, you idiot, what are you doing
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  Speaker 3: in here? How dare you? You haven't faced justice yet?
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  Speaker 3: You just can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the context is a little different, though
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  Speaker 2: we've not experienced what Israel experienced on October seven. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's the double standard that everybody demands the very
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  Speaker 2: highest of standards from Israel while shrugging at the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the world.
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  Speaker 5: No, I think that Ben Givia went too far with this,
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  Speaker 5: because what this does is it plays into the hands
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  Speaker 5: of critics of Israel, plays into the hands of the
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  Speaker 5: anti Israel brigade and to the enemies, and actually gives
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  Speaker 5: these lunatics a free pass and a handball to say, oh,
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  Speaker 5: look at us, we were tortured, we were treated so badly.
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  Speaker 5: Next minute, you know, tomorrow, I'm sure that Greta Thumberg
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  Speaker 5: will release a statement on Instagram saying the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 4: That is not what you want to see. I think.
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  Speaker 2: Is your objection that his treatment of them was shocking
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  Speaker 2: and appalling. As Penny Wong said, or is your objection,
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't smart because it puts Israel at a disadvantage.
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  Speaker 1: But in terms of world.
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  Speaker 2: Both both behaving Israeli Flagg was shocking.
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  Speaker 1: Believing of it.
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  Speaker 5: He didn't have to do that. Why do you have
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  Speaker 5: to do that? Two wrongs don't make it right. And
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  Speaker 5: I am so pro Israel. You know that I have
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  Speaker 5: backed Israel from the very very beginning. But carrying on
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  Speaker 5: like a pork chop like this does nothing to their cause.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm so glad that Benjamin Etna who came out
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  Speaker 5: and said what he said. Now as for Penny Wong,
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  Speaker 5: well I'm not surprised at her rhetoric today was stronger
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  Speaker 5: then it was ever. She's never been this strong against
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  Speaker 5: her musks. I mean, in a few days remember after
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  Speaker 5: October seven she called for restraint. I have never not
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  Speaker 5: once ever heard a statement like that from Pennywong about
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  Speaker 5: her musk or about terrorism in general. So I completely
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  Speaker 5: think that Pennywong acted ridiculously. And what talking about Australia's
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  Speaker 5: ambassador to Israel making representations?
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  Speaker 4: What does she think that the Israeli ambassador is going
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  Speaker 4: to do.
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  Speaker 5: Benjamin net Yahoo has already released a statement condemning what
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  Speaker 5: this minister has done. So I'm not sure what Labour's
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  Speaker 5: doing other than grand standing and once again playing to
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  Speaker 5: the vote as it always does. But I'm just saying
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  Speaker 5: that I think that Ben Gavier went too far. It
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  Speaker 5: was unnecessary, and now every single one of these lunatic
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  Speaker 5: activists have the ammunition that they need and it does
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  Speaker 5: not bode well.
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  Speaker 1: One more question, I'll ask this to you, Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think the Israeli minister went too far or
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  Speaker 2: do you think Penny Wong went too far? If they
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  Speaker 2: both went too far, who's worse in this look?
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  Speaker 3: Pennywong simply put out a statement. Ben Gavia unfortunately gave
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  Speaker 3: the ammunition and was the minister who was there in
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  Speaker 3: the room, so you'd have to say, by rights, he
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  Speaker 3: was more wrong than Penny Wong was wrong. But I know,
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  Speaker 3: don't ask me to say that again. Yeah, by rights
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  Speaker 3: you'd have to say he was more wrong. It's just
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  Speaker 3: I take your point that you know Israel gets held
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  Speaker 3: up to a higher standard.
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  Speaker 1: But unfortunately annoys me.
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  Speaker 3: But you're a democracy, so you have to be held
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  Speaker 3: to a higher standard like you have to operate with
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  Speaker 3: different rules to a mob like Hamas, and you should
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  Speaker 3: pride yourself on the fact that you operate with different
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  Speaker 3: rules to a mob like Hamas, which is what Netnyahu
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  Speaker 3: was said. I mean his words were the way that
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  Speaker 3: Minister bing Gavia dealt with the flotiller activists is not
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  Speaker 3: in line with Israel's values and norms, and that is correct.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to say we are better than this mob,
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  Speaker 3: you have to be better than the other mob. And unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: I think that those sorts of actions just undermine that
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  Speaker 3: and they hand free kicks to people who really don't
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  Speaker 3: deserve them. Speaking of free kicks, it would seem here
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  Speaker 3: in Australia that if you are a school student, you say, well,
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  Speaker 3: I've got some kind of disability and you get special discipensation.
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  Speaker 3: That might be that you've got longer to do an exam,
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  Speaker 3: or you get to do an exam in a room
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  Speaker 3: without other people, or whatever it is, and in increasing
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  Speaker 3: numbers people are doing this. Would you believe that twenty
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  Speaker 3: seven percent of school students now in Australia allegedly have
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  Speaker 3: some form of disability. This is up from nineteen point
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  Speaker 3: nine percent in twenty nineteen now nineteen point nine percent
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  Speaker 3: bad and our five would have thought, But now we're
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  Speaker 3: up to twenty seven percent of students, So that means
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  Speaker 3: in the average classroom, eight students has some kind of
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  Speaker 3: disability we are told. Now you can see on that
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  Speaker 3: graph that is there on your screen. Now the uptick
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  Speaker 3: there and at the top is that number. You've gone
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  Speaker 3: from that nineteen point nine in twenty nineteen to twenty
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  Speaker 3: seven percent last year twenty twenty five. And then it
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  Speaker 3: goes through the different kinds of disabilities that have been listed.
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  Speaker 3: This cognitive has gone from ten point nine percent to
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  Speaker 3: fourteen point three. Physical has actually gone down from two
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  Speaker 3: point five to two point two, which is good. Sensory
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  Speaker 3: is stagnant from point seven percent to point seven percent.
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  Speaker 3: But the one that's really gone up is socio emotional disabilities,
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  Speaker 3: which i'll explain in a minute. That's gone from five
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  Speaker 3: point seven percent in twenty nineteen to nine point eight
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  Speaker 3: percent in twenty twenty five, so nearly double, nearly double
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  Speaker 3: what it was just five six years ago. Now, socio
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  Speaker 3: emotional covers things like autism, ADHD, eating disorders, these sorts
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  Speaker 3: of things that are apparently exploding. If you are to
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  Speaker 3: look at these numbers to the point, now we're across
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  Speaker 3: the country, twenty seven percent of students have an alleged disability.
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  Speaker 3: Now you can see they're on your screen. That's the
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  Speaker 3: state by state breakdown. W WA does reasonably well all
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  Speaker 3: things considered, to twenty four point six percent, Tasmania twenty
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  Speaker 3: four point three. You have places like the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 3: where it's thirty four point seven percent, and the socio
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  Speaker 3: emotionally you can see on the makeup the end again
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  Speaker 3: has the worst rates for that. But I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 3: how can we now be at a point where twenty
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  Speaker 3: seven percent of students on average have some kind of
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  Speaker 3: alleged disability for which they then or the school gets
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  Speaker 3: some level of special dispensation.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think the answer is, if you pay for something,
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  Speaker 2: you get more of it, Caleb, And I'm not suggesting
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  Speaker 2: that most of these kids classified with disabilities aren't in
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  Speaker 2: some way having some sort of disability. But when you've
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  Speaker 2: got government providing money for schools, and the schools don't
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  Speaker 2: need a medical diagnosis, they simply need to submit that
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  Speaker 2: this person has such and such disability, they get extra funding.
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  Speaker 2: Five billion dollars in the next financial year will go
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  Speaker 2: towards disability loading for schools. That's out of a total
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  Speaker 2: thirty three billion dollars education budget.
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  Speaker 1: That's a huge amount being given to schools for.
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  Speaker 2: Extra resources, extra teachers, extra equipment. And all they need
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  Speaker 2: to do is submit that this person is disabled.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you smiling at me like that?
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  Speaker 4: Oh no not?
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, no sorry, I like it when you smile.
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  Speaker 1: Carry on.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, please keep going as I was it.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, so the easy way to fix this, Danika is
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  Speaker 2: stop providing all this money simply because a child has ADHD,
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  Speaker 2: or requires schools to submit proper evidence that these children
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  Speaker 2: actually have some sort of disability before supplying the funding.
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  Speaker 5: And I was thinking back to when I was at
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  Speaker 5: school when I was reading this article right, and I
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  Speaker 5: vividly remember that in my primary school years, out of
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  Speaker 5: a classroom of I want to say, twenty two to
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  Speaker 5: twenty three kids, we had one child with ADHD one
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  Speaker 5: and I remember it very vividly, and you tell that
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  Speaker 5: he did have ADHD. So when I read this, I
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  Speaker 5: cannot believe that some teachers have said that in their
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  Speaker 5: classroom of twenty four twenty two have ADHD autism or
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  Speaker 5: was told that the child has special needs. Now the
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  Speaker 5: question has to be asked, how have we gotten here
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  Speaker 5: in Australia. And also read that schools actually do not
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  Speaker 5: need a medical diagnosis to define a student as disabled,
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  Speaker 5: which is worrying because this puts a lot of unnecessary
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  Speaker 5: pressure on teachers. So this is happening since the COVID years.
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  Speaker 5: As per this report, are we seeing a situation where
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  Speaker 5: a few things are at play. One, there's over diagnosis
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  Speaker 5: and we've seen it in reporting before about kids who
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  Speaker 5: are being handed a diagnosis willy nilly by doctors.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying because.
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  Speaker 5: There are a lot of children who need additional help
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  Speaker 5: and needs and I'm absolutely not disputing that, but is
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  Speaker 5: it a case of over diagnosis, case of we are
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  Speaker 5: now seeing the impacts of the COVID pandemic where children
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  Speaker 5: didn't attend school for say twelve months, they were kept
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  Speaker 5: at home without learning the basic abilities about how to
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  Speaker 5: chat to other kids, to go out and have fun
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  Speaker 5: and rough it up a little bit. And are we
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  Speaker 5: now seeing that is this a case of children being
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  Speaker 5: too addicted to technology now and that is having an
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  Speaker 5: in impact. I just think that it baffles me that
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  Speaker 5: we've got so many kids with so many problems.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know what, I mean, what is
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  Speaker 4: going on?
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  Speaker 5: And I so feel for the teachers because God's that's
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  Speaker 5: pretty tough. And this one teacher who sent twenty two
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  Speaker 5: out of twenty four were diagnosed with a disability, well
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  Speaker 5: she was told that that classroom wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: Even special needs.
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  Speaker 5: When you've got majority of your class that need help,
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  Speaker 5: it's a lot of work.
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  Speaker 3: Well allegedly, maybe they're not special needs.
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  Speaker 4: Allegedly.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's only so long that we can blame
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  Speaker 3: OVID for this though, like, yeah, COVID probably has played
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  Speaker 3: a role in it, and probably played more of a
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  Speaker 3: role in places like Victoria than others. But this goes
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  Speaker 3: well beyond COVID. You know, this is the issue of
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  Speaker 3: parents being encouraged too and wanting to have their children
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  Speaker 3: classified as this because you know that they have issues
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  Speaker 3: with their kid at home. And so there is an
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  Speaker 3: easy solution that is offered, which is, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: get this diagnosis and then there's a pill, or you
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  Speaker 3: get this diagnosis and and you know, if you make
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  Speaker 3: it to level to autism, then you get NDAs funding, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so it's the system is set up to encourage you,
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  Speaker 3: which is essentially what you're suggesting before, James, to seek
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  Speaker 3: this stuff out. Same for school, So I mean, why
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  Speaker 3: would you not as a teacher, if there's an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to get your students an extra ten minutes in an
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  Speaker 3: exam or other special dispensation, why wouldn't you encourage them
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  Speaker 3: to do it. I mean, we've talked about this previously
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  Speaker 3: that the rates of students in high school who get
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  Speaker 3: special dispensation for alleged disabilities and other conditions in the
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  Speaker 3: year twelve exams, that the schools that are overrepresented in
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  Speaker 3: those statistics are far and away private schools because they've
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  Speaker 3: worked out how to game the system. So if there
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  Speaker 3: is a system that can be gamed, why would you
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  Speaker 3: not be gaming the system?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean it's like, to be honest, what we've
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  Speaker 5: seen on the ndis and this is the exact problem,
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  Speaker 5: and then when you go and call it out and
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  Speaker 5: you talk about it, people seem to get highly offended.
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  Speaker 4: Well, No, the point is something.
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  Speaker 5: Is critically wrong here when you've got so many kids
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  Speaker 5: claiming it and you don't even have to have a
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  Speaker 5: diagnosis for the schools to claim you as having a
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  Speaker 5: a tough one is.
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  Speaker 2: Once you've diagnosed these or rather labeled these conditions as disabilities,
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  Speaker 2: woe behold any politician tries to remove them, because suddenly
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  Speaker 2: you don't care about disabled people, expectingly about children, and
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  Speaker 2: so you're in all sorts of trouble to try and
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  Speaker 2: wind this back. The governor investing forty million dollars in
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  Speaker 2: diagnostic tools for schools to try and save about four
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  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars in false diagnoses.
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  Speaker 1: That you know are not necessary.
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  Speaker 2: But when you're spending five billion dollars on disability, loading
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  Speaker 2: four hundred million dollar saving is a drop in the ocean.
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  Speaker 5: Really, it's a lot of money being spent. Speaking of
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  Speaker 5: a lot of money being spent, let's play a game
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  Speaker 5: of what is the labor government spending your money on?
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  Speaker 4: Now? Is it to help you improve your lives?
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  Speaker 5: No, it's actually giving a three hundred and fifty thousand
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  Speaker 5: dollars grant to an artist who well, I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: tell you what it is said and I quote.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Where am I looking at this? Sorry, I've lost my
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: life of thought.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Labeled James Cook the C word and also ridiculed Pauline
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Hansen terrific This is where your money is going. According
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: to grant documents that were actually obtained by One Nation,
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: the Abeneze government gave artists Kite James three hundred and
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: sixty five one thousand dollars to tour her Red Flags exhibition.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: This is the taxpayer exhibition, including this image. Here you
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: can see on your screen Captain Cook smoking cigarettes above
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: the words the sea word and effer.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Complete with x's for eyes.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: Another artwork takes aim at One Nation leader Pauline Hanson,
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: stitching her head onto a tea towel, as you can
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: see beside a speech bubble that said quote I'm indigenous,
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: I was born here, one of her famous lines. So
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: the funding for this artist included forty eight thousand dollars
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: from Creative Australia in twenty twenty three and three hundred
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: and seventeen thousand dollars from the federal Government's Visions of
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Australia grant back in twenty and twenty four. Pauline Hanson,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: after having found out this information, she's released a statement.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: She said outrageous grants have been awarded to a woke
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: anti Australian art display, mocking me and labeling James Cooker
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Sea word documents attained by one nation have uncovered and
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: ie watering three hundred and sixty five thousand in grants
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: awarded to Kite James to tour her Red Flags exhibition.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: While Australians are struggling to live in this this government
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: is wasting your money on well. Absolutely and it's not
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: the first time the government has wasted our money on
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: so called quote art. You remember one hundred thousand dollars
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: was given to an artist by the name of Khalid
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Subsami who painted.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: A Hesbala leader and what appeared to be.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: A glowing light, and also did art about the September
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: eleven terror attacks.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: We've also seen Randa abdel Fata.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: She was handed over eight hundred thousand dollars in grant
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: for her for some study that she was doing as well. Now,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: I do agree that art is in the eye of
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: the beholder, but I think when it comes to our
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: money being used on this so called art, that's when
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: it becomes a problem.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: We are in the middle of a cost of living
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: crisis and I.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Don't think that that is appropriate, especially when once again
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: we are seeing our values attacked. I am so sick
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: to death of Captain Cook or any monuments that represent
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: our history or our culture, our way of life being
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: attacked by these anti Australian people. If you don't like
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: our values, then leave this country. We will open the
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: door willing for you. If you don't like it, get out.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: And I'm sick to also sick to death of people
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: making it out like our history is wrong. We should
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: be proud of our history. We should be proud of
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: where we've come from and how far we've come as
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: a country.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I can cop the government wasting money on useless art.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not great, but whatever, like you said,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: art is in the eye of the beholder. I can't
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: cop is the government wasting money not just on art
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: that is useless, but on art that is clearly divisive.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: When you're labeling James Cook the C word, when you're
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: openly mocking the leader of the most popular political party
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: in the country right now, For all their talk about
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the importance of social cohesion, this is a government that
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: is literally funding division and the Minister responsible, Tony Burke,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: what do you reckon, he said when asked about this
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: by the media.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Crickets nothing but say a word?
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Can I just say I don't see when it comes
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: to mocking Pauline Hanson. Pauline Hanson's been mocked all her life, right,
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: and she shrugs it off. This will work for it, right,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: this will work for her. So I think it's wrong.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: I don't agree with it. But there are people out
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: there who don't like Pauline Hanson. Paul and Hanson couldn't
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: care less, So that's not the problem. The problem I
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: have is with the Captain cook That is what I
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: have an issue with, because I'm so sick to death
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: of our history trying to be raised by these woke,
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: lunatic activists.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: But I will say, you are well within your rights
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: to a call Captain cooker SeeU int and draw that up.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: You're well within your rights to mock Pauline Hanson. Just
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: do it on your own dime.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, you know?
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Why do the rest of us have to pay for it?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, how is any of that worth a cumulative
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty five thousand public dollars? I mean
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: there's got to be some sort of money laundering exercise
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: by the government, right, or we'll just send the money
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: over there and we'll forget it. Ever exist. I mean
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: seriously that most people in the employment market, more than
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: ninety percent of people, would be performing their jobs for
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: far less than three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars, right,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: And somehow they managed to do it, and they managed
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: to put out a lot more in terms of productivity
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: than Kate James does with this sort of crap. How
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: is it worth three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars?
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, once again, a government contractor. I wish I
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: had been awarded because I think I could have done
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: a lot more with three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: And I'm a pretty ordinary artist, but I'm pretty sure
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I could produce something of better value than that. But
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: why are we paying for this? I have no issue
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: with the government funding the arts because I think the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: arts fundamentally are a good thing. And there are certain
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: things that government's fund because they are of social value.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: But when you make those decisions, you have to make
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: a judgment call about whether or not there is social
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: value in the art you were funding. And you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: if you're funding the opera, or you're funding theater or ballet,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: or you know, landscapes of Australia. Sure that adds to
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Australian culture. But really this and we're paying for it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: All of your questions are very well made, and you
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: reckon we'll get an answer from the Minister responsible.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Of course we won't anyway.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about retirement, which we're all very
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: close to. Guys a copper in Queensland, Tony Parsons, who
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: is fast approaching the age of sixty and if you're
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a police officer in Queensland, sixty is the mandatory age
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of retirement. He is taking his case to the Human
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Rights Commission, saying that forcing police to retire at the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: age of sixty amounts to discrimination.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: It's agist, he says.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: The legislation the Queensland Police Service relies upon to enforce
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: my mandatory retirement is in itself discriminatory based on age
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: discrimination and not in accordance with modern societal expectations, modern
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: societal progression and engagement without discrimination. He wants to carry
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: on working in the police force, which is a good
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: thing because we talk regularly about the fact police recruitment
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: is down. Queensland are recruiting officers from other states to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: come and work in the Sunshine State, So why wouldn't
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: they want a good police officer who's served faithfully to
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: carry on if he's physically able. Now, part of this
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: relates to their superannuation. In Queensland they get eighteen percent superannuation,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: which ain't too bad. That is because they have to
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: retire at sixty, so they get the highest superannuation compared
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: to twelve percent in other states where they can work
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: beyond the age of sixty. Now, Tony Parsons has been
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: told he can come back and continue working, but at
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: a lower rank and at a lower rate of pay,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: doing different duties. He argues, if I'm fit, if I'm able,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: if I'm willing, why should I not be able to
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: continue in my role.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with him. Good on him. I actually
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: think that's sixty years old.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: I think that sixty is young and if you are
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: fit and healthy, then go for it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: The only thing that I would say is if you
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: are working on the front line, and you're.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Out there day in, day out.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Doing what I would deem to be quite physical activity,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: then if you are still not at that stage at
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: sixty where you are physically able to perform your duties
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: to the best of your ability. That is when I
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: would say, as a police officer on the front line,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: that would be of concern, and I would say, okay, maybe,
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: but don't shift them out. You know, there needs to
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: be some sort of testing done. But sixty is young,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: for goodness sake, And when we are dealing with a crisis.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: This is not just Queensland pertating to Queensland. Across the country.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: There is a recruitment crisis right now in the force.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: We are desperate for experience, We're desperate for seasoned officers
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: to be able to carry out these tasks.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you keep him on? I think sixty is
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: young in my view.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Well, it seems like they're cutting off their noses to
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: spark their faces. I mean, oh, so we've got to
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: pay extra super eighteen percent. Well, surely the first order
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: of business for a police force is to prevent and
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: solve crime. And someone who's been in the game, I mean,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: you know, say you go to work at seventeen or
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: eighteen to become a copper, so you've spent you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: forty two odd years in the force. I mean, that's
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the kind of guy you want hanging around, isn't it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: You've got younger fellas coming through. I mean, you've got
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: that bloke in the cop shop with you, or out
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: on the beat with you, or you know, makes his
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: way up to being a detective or whatever it is.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: That's the kind of experience that you would want in
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: a police force. And these blokes are being told sorry,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: you turn sixty, will just draw an arbitrary line and
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: say you're no longer wanted anymore. I honestly don't understand it.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: It makes no sense. It's the same in the army
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: as well. They force you to retire at sixty pilot
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and there are you know, occasional cases of special dispensation
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: if there's no one else who can do a job.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: But you know, I don't understand. If you are up
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: to the job, why should there be any age cut
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: off at all if you want to do the job. Surely,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: even though you might cost a bit more money, the
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: value that you get out of an experienced copper is
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: more than someone who's just come out of the academy and.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Something like this man.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: He would be such a great mentor to constables and
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: younger officers coming through the ranks when they are faced
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: with their first massive tasks, you know, when they see
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: a dead body, or having to arrest a junkie, or
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: really frightening and intimidating situations. To have somebody like this
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: on the force to help guide them and educate them
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: through or how to handle particularly difficult situations and intimidating situations,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: their knowledge would be absolutely valuable.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It'd be fascinating to see how the Human Rights Commissioner
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: deals with this, because, yeah, you could imagine some other
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: protected characteristics if someone was to complain I'm being discriminated
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: against on this basis. We don't get many cases, at
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: least not that come to the media with people claiming
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: age discriminations, so be a fascinating one to watch.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Indeed, you might wonder what they're putting in the water
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: up there in Queen Sand and they're making your experienced
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: coppers retire at sixty. And then you've got the general
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: manager of the Queensland Tourism Industry Council shooting off her
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: mouth says some pretty odd things at a conference. Now.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: She was speaking at a conference tourism conference this week
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: and she was asked what they could do or what
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: could be done to improve hotel occupancy in Queensland, they're
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: having a bit of trouble with tourism at the moment,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: and so Melanie Anderson, who is the General Manager, as
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I say, of the Queensland Tourism Industry Council, says to
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: this person, I would say, get a sharp shooter for
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. That would fix the problems right now and
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: let us get on with business. Now. What she's suggesting
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: is that the war in the Middle East has affected
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the tourism industry and there are obviously people are traveling less,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: so there are fewer people staying in hotels. And basically
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: what she's saying is, well, if you're off the president,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: then all of that will be fixed and a way
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: will go. Now, look, obviously it's a joke, but it
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: is an exceedingly poor taste. Why the hell you would
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: open your mouth up in this climate when we have
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: seen countless attempts on the life of the President, I
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: don't know, but she's now been stood down as the
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: general manager of the Queensland Tourism Industry Counsel, and her
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: bosses were very quick to get up at this Property
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Council conference and say they had nothing to do with
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: these comments. You know, on one hand, I do actually
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: feel a bit sorry for her because it was a
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: stupid joke. Right, She's run her mouth without thinking about it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I don't believe she actually wants Donald Trump to be shot.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: But on the other hand, you go, oh, God, you
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: know you're representing the brand, which is the Tourism Council,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: and you say things like that, You really should know better.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I suppose the question is whether she ought
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: to pay for it with her job or not.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to side with you on that in defending
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: her a little bit, because I think it was in
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the context of a Q and a yeah, in front
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: of an audience of one hundred, one hundred and fifty people,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and most of us have been in in those sort
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: of events, and there's a bit of banter, and it's
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: back and forwards, and it's pretty easy to say something
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: that with a little bit of hindsight, Yeah, probably shouldn't
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: have said that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: It just popped out in the heat of the moment.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: No harm intended.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what it'll harm her ability to
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: travel to the United States Sea, because we've just had
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Abbi Chatfield's boyfriend not able to play his concerts in
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the US presumably because of comments Abbi Chatfield made about
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Trump being assassinated and now here we've got the head
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: of Queensland Tourism or the key executive probably.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Will not be able to get a visa to go
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to the United States because of this.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: It's a bad look. It's a really really bad look.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: And I'm sure that she didn't mean it intentionally, obviously,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: but you are representing a brand when you are at
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: these sorts of Q and A events, you have to
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: be held in very high regard. You have to be
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: very careful in your wording. And I'm all for a
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: bit of a joke, I'm all for a bit of fun,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: but this sort of a comment just goes way too far.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: It was only a couple of weeks ago where there
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: was another assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life, and there
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: has been a lot of, you know, commentary in particular
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: about what words mean and when words in You know
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: that the hands of an idiot who's watching and goes, oh,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: I'm going to try and take Madison into my own hands,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: some sort of deranged lunatic. This is what has happened
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: in the last three attempts on Donald Trump's life.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: So I think it's poor.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: In a way, I do feel a little bit sorry
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: for her, because I don't know how you really come
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: back from something like this now, and she was she
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: was an executive on Queensland Tourism.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: You know, she would have been on a pretty good figure.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: She'd probably think.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: If you apologize, you say, look, it was in poor taste.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I should never have said it. Of course I didn't
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: mean it, and I'm horribly embarrassed that I said something
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: so stupid. And everyone moves on, don't they.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: You just got to do me like, but can you
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: people cancel people pretty good.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: At the risk of making another death joke. I don't
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: think it's a hanging offence. You know, it was in
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: bad taste, but I think we can move on from it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: But can you imagine being the media advisor at the
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Queensland Tourism Industry Council when you got the call to say, oh,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the general managers just said this is a conference. Oh
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: my god, you have to be.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's shocking.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: And look, speaking of shocking, at the Taliban has officially
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: legalized child marriage for girls as young as nine. It's
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: actually unfathomable to think about the Afghan political party states
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: that a girl has reached puberty at the age of
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: nine gosh and can be wed, and that quote the
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: silence of a virgin girl can be interpreted as marital consent. So,
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: in other words, if a girl stays silent, a young,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: vulnerable girl doesn't say anything, scared, scared to death, oh
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: well we'll take that as consent. It's just unbelievable. Where
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: is the UN on the Have we heard from the UN?
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: No?
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Where are the feminists? Any feminists care to make a comment?
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Haven't heard from any feminists. And at the same time,
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: I want to show you this from the BBC. They
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: were interviewing an Afghan man who says his quote, had
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: to make the tough decision to sell his two young
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: daughters as sex slaves just to put food on the table.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: But the most baffling part about this is the BBC
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: doesn't paint the little girls as the victims, but paints
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: the father as the victim.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: I'm ready to sell my daughters. I'm poor and in debt.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: I come home with parched lips, distressed and confused. My
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: children come to me seeing Barbara give us some bread.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: It breaks my heart, but it's the only we to
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: feed my other children.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: The father then goes on to say, well, it breaks
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: my heart, but this is the only way to feed
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: my children, and basically says he is forced to take
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: such drastic action. No, no, no, no, the father is
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: not forced. Here is evil. The father is the evil
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: one in this situation. The little girls are being forced
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: to be sex slaves and they're no more than five, six,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: seven years old, and the BBC, which is meant to
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: be the representative broadcaster of Britain, paints the father as
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: the victim. Look, we need to be able to have
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: decent and proper conversations about this in your can't because
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: you always gets palmed off as Islamophobia, which it's not.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: But we have to talk about parts of this culture
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: which are completely incompatible with the Western democracy. And this
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: is one prime example, and it should send shivers up
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: the spine of everybody in the West who genuinely cares
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: about democracy. When little girls are being sold as sex slaves,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: it makes my stomach turn, James.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: How could the BBC journalists not have wondered who are
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the men buying these seven eight nine year old girls
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and what on earth possesses them to do that? And
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: what creates a culture in which this is accepted as normal.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: But that question never seems to have arisen in the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: mind of the reporter, who is just incredibly sympathetic to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: these fathers. And what sort of a father sells his
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: daughter as a sex slave so they can feed the
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: rest of the family. You would sell yourself into slavery
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: rather than your daughter?
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, is the written article
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: from the BBC says, quote the men here are desperate,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Denik and I haven't had children, but you've got sons.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Would you be so desperate, James as to sell one
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: of your children so that you could feed the other one?
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Any parent would lay down their life for their children.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: How can you possibly even frame it in Oh, you know,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: these men are desperate, so they're selling a kid in
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: order to feed the risk. It's just unbelievable that anyone
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: could possibly look at it and take that away from it.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: But the taxpayers of Britain are paying for that sort
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: of cop Is this a.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Case of cultural relativism? Strikes again?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Well? Probably, yeah, I think there is an element of that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: And you've got to ask you, where are all the
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: feminists in the West jumping up and down. I mean
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: they should be outraged about this. This should be the
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: front of every feminist news website and whatever. They should
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: all be writing about it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: But it will be crickets the UN.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Where's the United Nations always jumping up and down about
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: human human rights?
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Abare so? Where is the international community? Where is the fear?
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: The UN has called out Afghanistan and the Taliban before,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: but I mean, this should just be so much bigger
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: than it is. Where are the feminists and all these
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: people who would jump up and down about you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: looking the sideways at a woman in the west and
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: on this stuff. They're largely silent.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, we're going to go to a break.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll take a look at what's
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: making headlines tomorrow, including business people in Anti Albanese's own
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: electorate starting to turn on the prime minister.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: That's next.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you know things are bad for the prime minister
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: when the people of Marrickville are turning on him. But
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: that's on the front page of tomorrow's Daily Telegraph, where
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Losing Hope reads the headline Life's not so easy living
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: next door to Elbanezi. The article reads small business owners
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: in Anthony Alberanzi's own electorate of fuming at Labour's sick
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: budget blind side, which they describe as another attack on
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: hard working traders already absorbing rising running costs, fuel prices
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and inflation. The papers interviewed Josh Degnan, whose family owns
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Black Forest smokehouse and a repair shop owner, and they're
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: leading their voices to a nationwide revolt.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Against tax hikes.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure the Prime Minister would be thrilled to
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: wake up in the morning and read that over his coffee.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Denieka, No, I think he would probably spit his coffee out,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: like he probably has spat out all the memes this week.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: But no, he doesn't have a problem with the memes.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Apparently he thinks he looks really good in them. You know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: I was thinking as well. I mean, these were once
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: a lot of labor voters in his heartland and Marrickville.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: His popularity in Marrickville is so so big, and you
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: would think that labor insiders would be extremely worried that
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Labor heartland is starting to turn. And we've said it
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: this week as well, with all of those memes. Young
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: voters whom Anthony Abenezi has always fancied himself as appealing
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: to attorney and now we've got the heartland, there'd be
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: alarm bells ringing in Canberra.
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I think I purchased some bacon from black Forest Smokehouse
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: before as well.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Good product, I have to say.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: But you know, it's this is the great furfy of
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: this budget that you know, it's allegedly meant to help
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: out all these young people and all able to buy houses,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: et cetera. It's punishing those people, you know, anyone who
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: has some ambition to get ahead in life. Sort of
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: person who wants to buy a home against all odds
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: is the kind of person who's actually been punished by
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: this budget. It is just extraordinary. Speaking of people being
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: punished by the budget, I mean unlikely characters on the
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: front of the Canberra Times tomorrow says their start up
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: move out. Canberra tech startup co founders Akiel Akba and
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: may Wing bro Smith said if labor cgt changes go ahead,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: they may move their company overseas. Now they've devalued our company,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: so it's just like, what's the point, Akiel said, Now,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, have a look at those two people there.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: It's we can get that front page back. It's hard
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: to think of two more Canberra looking people, the sort
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: of people that you would think that would Labor would
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: be all over and they'd be all over nap. I mean,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: even those types are being put off by Labour's budget
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: if you can't win the Canberra set, and keeping in
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: mind that Labor has been in power in Canberra at
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: a state level anyway for something like twenty six years,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: twenty five years. I think it is if you've got
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: people in canvas stout and say oooh, hang on a minute,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: this is no good. That's when you know you're in
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: real trouble.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: So yep, absolutely, they to men look like they could
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: be Green voters possible.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they'd be even more communist. You would have thought,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: that's right, they're getting done over.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Alarm bells are ringing. Alarm bells are ringing. Now, let's
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: look at the Australian Tomorrow. Carve out catch twenty two
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: concerns a rising inside the Albanese government over how to
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: carve out startups from new capital gains tax rules without
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: undermining the changes. As at Lassian co founder Scott Farqua
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: and TLMP o Leg Respender join forces to strike a
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: CGT deal for Australia's biggest tech successes. Founders and representatives
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: of major Australian tech companies such as Canva, which former
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: Prime Minister Paul Keating singled out this week as not
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: needing a CGT. Carve Out attended a round table with
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Miss Spender this week where there were discussions to define
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: who should be covered by any protection in the upcoming
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: tax legislation. I thank this to me just sounds like
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: it literally has been slapped together.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Slip slop slab.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Nobody knows who's getting what, nobody knows what industry is
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: going to be impacted, and how it just goes to
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: show how much of a thought bubble this was by
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: labor to save their own backsides.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: And yet you're going to have business owners in.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Every single sector, even startup companies also being impacted by
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: this at hoc legislation.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Well I noticed there was a group in the Australian
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: article mentions them a group of women entrepreneurs who've come
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: out in the tech this as well.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: So you've got what have we got now?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: We've got tradees, working class, we've got female entrepreneurs, we've
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: got the young alternate set in Canberra. Is there a
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: demographic left for labor?
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Not really, maybe members of the labor caucus, But then
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: even they apparently are concerned about the way this has
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: all fallen out. But once you start making carve outs,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: how do you say that one person deserves a car
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: voute and another person doesn't. Okay, so it's just artup.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: So because you started your business in the last five years,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: you might get a carve out, But because you started
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: your business fifteen years ago and you've done all right well,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you don't get a carve out. Or tech will exempt
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: tech because we want people in tech to do well.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: But then someone else will say, well, you know, my
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: motor repair business is keeping this country moving because I
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: repair the trucks that move all the food around the country.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: What about me, I'm keeping this country on the go.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: How can you possibly argue that one person deserves a
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: carve out and another person doesn't. It has to be
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: one rule for all. But that's the problem here is
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: they've applied one rule for all, and all are unhappy
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: In a chance, today's carve out headline maybe a cave
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: in headline.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Oh that's a good one. A week from now on,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: I think it might be cave in.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: It will have sad pictures of Jim Charmers and Anthony
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Abite easy on the cover.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what though, Jim Charmers, who would have
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: harbored ambitions to be the next a prime minister. I
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: wonder whether he's quiet looking in the mirror at the moment, going, oh, Jim,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I've buggered this up. And also whether the Prime Minister
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: is quiet taking up in the morning. Rate well done,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: jimmy boy, because there's always been that tussle between the two,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: and maybe the Prime Minister just let Jim do a
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: few things here that the otherwise wouldn't do.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Sure what we could end up with Jim Chalmers looking
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: as miserable as tenure plibus.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I'd take tanking plippus. He go over Jim Charmers any
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: day week.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: The front page of Tomorrow's Herald's son firebomb, fast Justice Joke.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Victim police outrage as two teens set free after admitting
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: to devastating arson attack on club and factory. Victims of
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: a bar Wars firebombing are outraged after teen arsonists who
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: admitted torching their alcohol factory and a city nightclub have
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: been freed. Senior police battling the crime wave, fuming I
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: see what they did there, that their hard work has
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: been undone.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Just another day in Victoria, really, Denika on.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: The front page every single day this week. It feels
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: another farce, another bail. All these teens getting.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Off with a slap on the wrist, so I get just.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Another day in the safest city in Australia.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Apparently they do nothing to help themselves.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Nothing at all. They are a joke now. It's a
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: laughing stock really, which is sad. It shouldn't because there's
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: genuine victims out there. But it's a laughing stock.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Why would you want to be a copper in Victoria?
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't bother like you?
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Go, geez, what am I getting up in the morning
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: to do this job for when everyone else seems to be.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: You'd want to retire at sixties? That's right, pop in Victoria.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: And get me edited at forty five if you've got
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: an exactly good grief. On the front of the advertisers
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: tomorrow were another bit of penny pinching from the gavernor
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: awful penny pinching. Ultimate insult Veterans Minister veterans are fears.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Minister Matt Keo has been more on a return flight
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: for his wife than the annual travel budget he acts
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: for the grieving parents of war hero Cameron Baird. The
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: WA Federal MP claimed two sorry two an eight hundred
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: and eighty one dollars and forty cents of taxpayers money
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: to get wife Annabelle into Sydney for the Military Pride
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: ball a Military Pride Board the Hell's at at Crown
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Sydney Hotel on October eighteen, twenty twenty five, and home
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: again to Perth the next day. Now, now what they've
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: done here is when you win the VC you get
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: an annual allowance of about five grand to be able
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: to go to events and travel to promote the work
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: of the military and the VC, et cetera. So when
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: the posthumous award was given to mister Beard, they gave
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: half of that allowance to his parents and they have
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: then been using that to go to functions and promote
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: what their son did and talk to school kids about
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: military service and stuff. And so the federal governments turned
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: around and said, no, you don't get that to two
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: and a half grand a year anymore. You don't deserve it.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I mean two and a half grand in the entirety
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: of the federal budget. And they're just about to rake
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: in an extra eighty billion dollars in tax in this
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: bar and they can't give the appearance of a dead
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: VC recipient two and a half grand to go and
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: sprook the work of the military. What a bunch of
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: misly penny pinching bastards.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Well said.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Caleb Well said, We're going to go to a break
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: when we come back at radio station announces the death
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: of King Charles. Now it'll be true one day, but
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: just wasn't true today.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: That's coming up next. Welcome back to the programme Daaniki.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: You love the Royals. And it was a big day
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: for royal news today.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: All of it true, but not all of it true.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: It was fake news, as Donald Trump said. Yes, Radio
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: Caroline over in the UK accidentally announced the death of
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: King Charles, except of course he's not actually dead.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: This is Radio Caroline. We have suspended our normal programs
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: until further notice as a marker of respect following the
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: passing of His Majesty King Charles the Third. We will
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: now be playing suitable continuous music until further notice.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Oh year, I mean that now, that's catastrophic. That's catastrophic.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Radio Caroline is blaming.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: A computer error, they say, so, I think it was
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: lined up, you know, the scheduling. It gets lined up
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: when you're in a radio station and someone has just
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: gone boom, accidentally pressed the button.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Well, Radio Caroline was sort of one of the original
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: pirate stations, right, what was it? It would seem that
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: they're still running a pirate operation.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Are they out on the sea or something? Good? Great?
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I mean that's a shocker. That's a real shocker. All right.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Do you think this is a crime or a great advertisement?
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: A fish and chip shop on the central coast of
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: New South Wales's posted vision of a customer stealing the
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: chicken salt shaker from their store. We're having to look
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: at this vision here, and you'll see the woman is
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: there and she's looking about. Then she places the chicken
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: salt shaker first behind her purse and then tucks it
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: into her cardigan before leaving. Now, apparently this is the
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: twentieth time that the chicken salt has been stolen from
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: this store in the.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Past five years.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: So it's a crime, but I want to go to
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: that store on the Central Coast. It's Anthony's Seafood and
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Burghers in Cincumber. The chicken salt there is so good
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: it's worth stealing.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: CAUs be excellent. I do love chicken salt, but I
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: probably wouldn't steal it. Now, what's going on at the
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Department of Education in the UK? Not like they've got
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: enough trouble in the UK as it is, Well this.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: Right, what are we doing to how the children come in?
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: Let's have a chat.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: It's the Education ministran on Earth. That's a woman called
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Jim Colin. I'd never heard of her until a couple
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: of weeks ago when she was at Cheltenham at the
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: races and they interviewed her and she was up on
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: the punt. Apparently she's from some show called The Only
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Way is Essex or something. But what are you doing?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: You need to do stupid videos like that for the
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: education to pass.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: She's hilarious though it's not. It's not her fault, but
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: she's she's funny.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: That was not her best work, no, probably not. That's
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: it from us. Enjoy your weekends. Coming up next is
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the readA Penney Show, good Night,