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3 Guys Before The Game - An All Time - All Timer (Episode 624) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: All righty, welcome in time for three guys before the game.
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  Speaker 1: This is episode number six hundred and twenty four title
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  Speaker 1: in All Time All Timer. Indeed, it is Hoppies here,
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  Speaker 1: providing value beyond numbers. All right, let's jump in. This
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  Speaker 1: is not to show that we thought that we would
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  Speaker 1: be doing This was supposed to be the preview of
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia's opening round game in the nc DOUBLEA Tournament.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously that did not happen. West Virginia's o mission from
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  Speaker 1: the NCUBLEA Tournament has become not just a West Virginia story,
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  Speaker 1: it has become a national story. West Virginia unfortunately plays
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  Speaker 1: the role of the poster child of getting screwed in
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  Speaker 1: this year's bracket. There's always someone every year. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: impact you as much when it's somebody else, but when
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  Speaker 1: it's you, and perhaps an unprecedented fashion, then it hurts incredibly,
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  Speaker 1: and so we will get into all of the details.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, this was not only supposed to be a
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  Speaker 1: celebration show as far as West Virginia getting into the
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  Speaker 1: NCAA tournament and won an amazing story. But off the
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  Speaker 1: side of that, this episode, which is six two four
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  Speaker 1: is also a milestone podcast because by the time you
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  Speaker 1: consume it and we get our normal dose of downloads,
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  Speaker 1: this will take us over three million downloads since the
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  Speaker 1: inception of the podcast, which was in August of twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the audio side.
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  Speaker 1: That's just audio. Yeah, those are just the audio downloads.
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  Speaker 1: So wherever you get it, whether it's Apple or Spotify
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  Speaker 1: or wherever you listen, this will take us over three
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  Speaker 1: million downloads. So that was you know, probably have confetti,
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  Speaker 1: gold gold stuff falling out of the sky but now
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  Speaker 1: or not. In fact, maybe black armbands.
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  Speaker 2: But thank you for the three million downloads.
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. It's been a lot, been a lot of fun,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stupidness the live shows. That doesn't count
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  Speaker 1: the people watching the live show, that's true. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, the video is pretty much I mean, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: the video is higher, sometimes the video is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit the same. But anyway, thanks, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate it. All right. So, as y'all know, if
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  Speaker 1: you're regulars, we do this unscripted. Haven't talked yet, so
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  Speaker 1: let's jump right into it. As I say, I think
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  Speaker 1: the name of the show is perfect in all time,
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  Speaker 1: All timer. If you're a West Virginia University sports fan
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  Speaker 1: and you've been doing it for a number of years, decades,
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  Speaker 1: you have dealt with disappointment in the past. It's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of that badge that you wear, and we can
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  Speaker 1: just kind of go back and you know, we can
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  Speaker 1: build things up and say Hey, what about this? What
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  Speaker 1: about the block pot, what about the loss to pit?
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  Speaker 1: What about this, that or the other thing? But this
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  Speaker 1: one will always be galv I'm not saying it's the
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  Speaker 1: biggest of the biggest of the biggest screw jobs, but
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  Speaker 1: it certainly will have a spot on Spruce Knob. If
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  Speaker 1: you were to kind of make them mount rushmore of
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  Speaker 1: all time screw jobs in West Virginia history, this one
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  Speaker 1: would be on the spruce knob. Deal. So let's jump in.
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  Speaker 1: You guys can can fire ahead. I'll start with obvious observations.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, sure, and that you know, guys, over the years,
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  Speaker 3: whenever something happens in a game or where West Virginia
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  Speaker 3: doesn't get a call, or the rankings and you're not
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  Speaker 3: ranked or something, West Virginia we're kind of a defensive
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  Speaker 3: bunch and we think, okay, everybody's out to get West Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: We're treated unfairly, we don't get respect, and lots of
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  Speaker 3: times I don't Most of the time, I don't see
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  Speaker 3: it that way. I just see it as all, come on,
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  Speaker 3: we're being defensive.
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  Speaker 1: But in this instance, this is the.
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  Speaker 3: Every feeling by West Virginia fans of being not just
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  Speaker 3: disappointed or angry, but shocked, completely justified. That's first second
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  Speaker 3: of all, is this whole thing in bred. I know
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna get into the metrics because the metrics are
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  Speaker 3: a strong argument. Is well, when they talk about North Carolina,
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  Speaker 3: Bubba Cunningham's not in the room, So give me a break.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have to bread, you don't have to be
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  Speaker 3: present to have a presence. Okay, A great way to
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  Speaker 3: say it, right, So look at three guys, and what
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  Speaker 3: if we said we're gonna talk about it. There's a
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  Speaker 3: new office, new big office available, and we're gonna talk
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  Speaker 3: about whether Tony can have the office or not.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Tony, you gotta leave the room. Now Tony's coming.
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  Speaker 3: Back in the room after we finish, and we're gonna go, well,
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  Speaker 3: but he's not.
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  Speaker 2: That is such a lame, And we're gonna tell Tony
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  Speaker 2: he didn't get the biggest office in the room. Right
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  Speaker 2: when he comes back in, you're.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna tell him that. So that's lame.
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  Speaker 3: That's completely lame. That doesn't hold up. I can't believe
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  Speaker 3: they say that with a straight face. The third is,
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  Speaker 3: and other people point this out. Dan Dockage point out
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  Speaker 3: is that the moment they put North Carolina in Bubba Cunningham,
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  Speaker 3: You've got a boost of sixty seven, nine hundred five
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  Speaker 3: dollars and sixty seven cents. That's the bonus he gets
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  Speaker 3: as the ad of North Carolina for his team getting
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  Speaker 3: in a tournament. That is a conflict of interest. That
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  Speaker 3: is the definition of a conflict of interest. Now now
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  Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting, I don't want to suggest. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: suggesting wrong too. I'm just saying that perception is important,
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  Speaker 3: and that is that is the definition of a financial
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  Speaker 3: conflict of interest.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the three points to start, all right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to save some of this for spreads on
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  Speaker 2: stats when we get into the numbers. Let me just
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  Speaker 2: say this. This the name of this show is appropriate,
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  Speaker 2: and you're right, it's on the spruce knob, and it
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  Speaker 2: might be going past everything else that's on the spruce knob.
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  Speaker 2: This is unconsionable, guys, this is unconscionable. And the one
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  Speaker 2: number I'll use. And I've been the one to sit
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  Speaker 2: up here and scream about Brattrick bat bracket matrix for
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  Speaker 2: at least a month. We've been talking about this one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and eleven projections as of yesterday afternoon on bracket Matrix.
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  Speaker 2: So again, that is an algorithm that takes in one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and eleven different brackets should remove any biases that exist.
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  Speaker 2: Some are computer model summer humans. West Virginia in on
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and eleven of those brackets, and their average
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  Speaker 2: seed put them on a ten line. The discussion wasn't
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  Speaker 2: in or out, and the discussion wasn't even playing or
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  Speaker 2: not playing. The discussion was nine, ten or eleven seed
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  Speaker 2: was the discussion, and there was no debate. And this
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  Speaker 2: is not three West Virginia fans sitting up here talking
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  Speaker 2: about this. That was the national discussion. There wasn't anybody
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  Speaker 2: that had this program out at any point of any
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  Speaker 2: of the projections over the last month. This was about
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  Speaker 2: as big a lock as you get other than a
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  Speaker 2: top nine seed. Right, This was a lot. West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: was in this thing, and to have them out of
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  Speaker 2: the field is unbelievable to me. To have them out
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  Speaker 2: of the field because a Carolina team is in that
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  Speaker 2: won one quad one game, and again I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: get into some numbers on this. I am simply flabbergasted
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  Speaker 2: that that's the team that West Virginia was left out
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  Speaker 2: for there's a lot of things that you just said
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  Speaker 2: that we can get into some more. To me, that
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  Speaker 2: is unconscionable that this program was left out. This program
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  Speaker 2: is an NCAA tournament team. It should be in the
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  Speaker 2: NCAA tournament full stop. But I won't stop the fact then.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a classic example of the committee committed
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  Speaker 2: the foul and then got three technicals on top of
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  Speaker 2: committing the foul. The fact that these guys came out
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  Speaker 2: and use Tucker Tovree's injury after eight games as one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons a factor in West Virginia staying out
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  Speaker 2: of the field is mind blowing to me. That is
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  Speaker 2: absolutely stunning that they use that as an example, because
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  Speaker 2: you can take those wins out if you want, and
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  Speaker 2: West Virginia still has the metrics to be an NCAA
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  Speaker 2: tournament team. And if we want to go down the
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  Speaker 2: road of injury situations here, there's a bunch and I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to get into some of those. There are teams
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  Speaker 2: dealing with injuries all over. Some didn't disclose until after
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  Speaker 2: the selection, Some played games without their best players didn't
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  Speaker 2: affect their seed line. I would like to know if
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  Speaker 2: West Virginia's opponents that beat West Virginia, were they docked
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  Speaker 2: for beating a West Virginia team then without Tucker Debrees
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  Speaker 2: If it affects Tucker Derees that he wasn't in West
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  Speaker 2: Virginia's lineup, were those teams docked? Arizona walked in here
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  Speaker 2: and got a big road win for them. That was
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  Speaker 2: a significant boost to their Did they lose a seed
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  Speaker 2: line because we didn't have Tucker Devrees? Absolutely an embarrassment
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  Speaker 2: that they used that as one of the reasons.
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  Speaker 3: That was almost a smoking gun they when they went
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  Speaker 3: to Tucker Dereest.
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  Speaker 2: Played three quarters of the season without that dude, and
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  Speaker 2: they want to back into that now.
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  Speaker 1: And do you realize they also cited that Iowa State
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  Speaker 1: was out, was without one of their starters when West
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  Speaker 1: Virginia beat them. They used that against West Virginia too.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to get to that. I can't believe
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  Speaker 2: they tried to slide that in.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, breathtaking.
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  Speaker 2: Breath taking le baptisis I'm sorry, last thing, and then
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  Speaker 2: I'll conclude the anger. We're at the anger stage of
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  Speaker 2: the stages of grief. When I move past this, what
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  Speaker 2: I'll be left with hop when I walk away from this,
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  Speaker 2: is absolutely crushed for these seniors. Is crushed that Javon
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  Speaker 2: Small doesn't get to play in the NCA tournament, that
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  Speaker 2: Toby o'connie does not that yet Joe Yesfood is not
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  Speaker 2: Eduardo Andra, even Jakeauer absolutely gutted for those guys to
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  Speaker 2: have to stand there and watch that sham of a
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  Speaker 2: selection show and know that they're not in and there's
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  Speaker 2: no ability to get back in. You talk about a
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  Speaker 2: missed opportunity in a moment that never comes back into
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  Speaker 2: play for those guys that did everything they had to
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  Speaker 2: do and deserve to be in the tournament to get
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  Speaker 2: screwed and not be in it after the anger subsides,
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'll be left with is having to look
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  Speaker 2: at those guys knowing they're not in? Are you efen
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  Speaker 2: kidding me on that stunningly, stunningly, breathtakingly horrific decision here?
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  Speaker 2: And we'll get into some of the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Why all right now?
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  Speaker 3: No, Well you can and it's a it's a national story, okay,
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  Speaker 3: as it is frankly as it is many years when
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  Speaker 3: somebody who deserves to get in doesn't get in, but
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  Speaker 3: it's a national story. The unfortunate part about this from
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  Speaker 3: a national perspective is you quickly move into games, and
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  Speaker 3: so the narrative of who got screwed will dissipate pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's already gone. I mean, it's left to
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  Speaker 2: just us now to complain about. It's moved on to
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  Speaker 2: the brackets in the games, which is also too bad.
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  Speaker 2: And again I feel for this program in those guys
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  Speaker 2: that now this story moves on because you're getting into
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  Speaker 2: the games, which is the best part of this tournament,
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  Speaker 2: and you're left trying to trying to scort through what
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  Speaker 2: this committee just did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So my takeaway is, like everyone else, I was
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  Speaker 1: absolutely left with my mouth agape when that final, When
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  Speaker 1: that final ten seven came up, I was absolutely like
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  Speaker 1: I was living in a bad dream and I'm still
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  Speaker 1: in the high high anger mode and trying to process
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  Speaker 1: it all. So when I stepped back and just try
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  Speaker 1: to evaluate, So where are we with this thing? I
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  Speaker 1: told someone yesterday before this was in the morning, before
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  Speaker 1: the thing came out. It was like ten o'clock yesterdaymight
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  Speaker 1: I was just talking to someone. We're just talking about
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  Speaker 1: college sports in general, and I said you know, man,
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  Speaker 1: I am so sick and tired of the BS that
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  Speaker 1: is spewed in college sports, tired of it, the welfare
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  Speaker 1: of the student athlete, the student athlete welfare. It's just
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  Speaker 1: it's just absolutely a joke. I said this before this happened. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So then you come full circle and six o'clock last night,
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  Speaker 1: you see North Carolina get in and it's Commission and
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  Speaker 1: it's ad Is the head of the Selection Committee, and
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  Speaker 1: they run out, Uh, the second guy because he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna speak to the North Carolina because obviously Bubba
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  Speaker 1: Cunningham wasn't in the room. And to your point, there's
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  Speaker 1: something called implicit bias. Yes, if I'm with you in
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  Speaker 1: a room and say, okay, we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina, you step out, and then as you said,
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  Speaker 1: you do have to walk back in, and so you
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  Speaker 1: do have to walk back in. So right there, as
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  Speaker 1: you said, red flag should be raised up that there
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  Speaker 1: is a that there is a absolutely systemic malfunction of
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  Speaker 1: how this committee works. It's a system. It is a flawed,
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  Speaker 1: flawed system. Like if you tried to pull that with
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  Speaker 1: the Securities Exchange Commission. You go to jail, like Martha
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  Speaker 1: Stewart for having insider trading information. Right, like any other
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  Speaker 1: place in the world that is a conflict, and there's
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  Speaker 1: like an indictment and an arrest. That's one, So that
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  Speaker 1: can't happen anymore. There needs to be a change where
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  Speaker 1: the people that are involved aren't there. That's one. There's
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  Speaker 1: also something called living beyond reproach. You have to live
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  Speaker 1: beyond reproach. Like you can't let this conversation happen because
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  Speaker 1: it looks dirty, so you can't let it happen, But
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  Speaker 1: let you let it happen because it's happening now. The
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  Speaker 1: next thing for him to bring up Tucker Derees's injury.
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  Speaker 1: I almost hit my head on the coffee table when
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  Speaker 1: he brought that up. Like, guess who else didn't play?
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  Speaker 1: Hot Rod Huntley didn't play either. Javon Carter didn't play either.
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  Speaker 1: Duce McBride didn't play either. Guests No, wasn't out there,
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  Speaker 1: Calvin Bowman, he didn't go, Marcus Gore, they didn't play it.
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  Speaker 1: That is the absolute that is the absolute worst excuse
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  Speaker 1: that you could ever bring into this conversation. That would
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  Speaker 1: be on a list of the things absolutely don't say
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  Speaker 1: that would be the absolute first thing. Don't say this,
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  Speaker 1: And yet they did, which only further just pulled apart
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  Speaker 1: the absolute wound that that left. Well in that case
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  Speaker 1: and in that logic, then on December seventh, when Tucker
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  Speaker 1: was done after Georgetown, we should have just put the
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  Speaker 1: uniforms the ways over, shut it down and say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: the hell with it. We got a player who currently
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  Speaker 1: isn't leading us in scoring and he's second in scoring.
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  Speaker 1: We're done because he's done. Let's just shut the thing down, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then you can get into and I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: Browlin second, stay on that for a second, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna let that one go. Of all the follies
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  Speaker 2: that those guys made when they were speaking, and go
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  Speaker 2: back and listen the explanation of I'm trying to give
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  Speaker 2: a reason, like, here's the thing, guys, this process, this
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  Speaker 2: happens to somebody every year, and it's not this egregious,
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  Speaker 2: but someone's left out every year. And generally what people
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  Speaker 2: do is go, we'll hold on here. These are all
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  Speaker 2: flawed teams you're talking about, of which West Virginia is
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  Speaker 2: fully admitting there's some flaws to the resume otherwise you'd
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  Speaker 2: be a five seed. So I get it. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: heard one reason for North Carolina yet. And again I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna get into some numbers. I have tried to make
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  Speaker 2: a reasonable Okay, get let me look at the other
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  Speaker 2: side here. Somebody, Bubba Cunningham or Keith Gill, come out
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  Speaker 2: and give me a logical reason why they're not why
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  Speaker 2: they're in a head. I'm gonna get into this one.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't, but to cite an injury on a guy
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  Speaker 2: that didn't just happen, that happened in November, and you've
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  Speaker 2: got a resume since then, even if you'd want to
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  Speaker 2: take those two wins out, which is outrageous. This isn't
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  Speaker 2: the Florida State situation where it lost its quarterback before
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  Speaker 2: playing in the College football playoffs. This isn't even let's
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  Speaker 2: just talk about this now. Let's stay on this injury
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  Speaker 2: for a second. Iowa State announced last night. They waited
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  Speaker 2: till after the selection show, but Iowa State announces first
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  Speaker 2: team All Conference Keyshawn Gilbert, who we watched in street
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  Speaker 2: closed at the Big Twelve tournament for the bulk of it,
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  Speaker 2: they announced he's unavailable for the nca tournament. Does Keyshawn
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  Speaker 2: Gilbert being out affect Iowa State's team? Are they as
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  Speaker 2: good a team? Are they the same team? They are not?
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  Speaker 2: Why do they keep the same seed? What's going on there?
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  Speaker 2: Why did they not be affected by that? Cooper Flagg
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  Speaker 2: did not play in the last couple of games of
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  Speaker 2: the ACC tournament. What's his status? Did it affect Duke's seeding?
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  Speaker 2: Hopy to it defect Duke's seating? That's a pretty significant injury.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows the result of it? Who knows how bad
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  Speaker 2: it is? Where is it? Houston's Juwan Roberts missed two
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  Speaker 2: games in the Big Twelve tournament all Big twelve player
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  Speaker 2: Did it affect their seeding? Did they drop a seed?
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  Speaker 1: Line?
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  Speaker 2: They're a one seed. Mount Saint Mary's is without two
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  Speaker 2: of its best players. Now he'd got an automatic bid
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  Speaker 2: into the tournament. But if we're going to take injuries
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  Speaker 2: earlier in the season and say it changed your team
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  Speaker 2: and that's and in your body of work didn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: Is Mount Saint Mary's out of the tournament? That's a handful.
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  Speaker 2: That's off the top of my head. Think about this
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  Speaker 2: significant injuries from significant players that most of them have
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  Speaker 2: just happened outside of Mount Saint Mary's and they're going
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: to reference one from November or did early December? Are
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: you kidding me?
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Think about this too, think of it in an inverse
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: fashion that without Tucker Devrees, what did you accomplish when
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: nothing was expected of you, with an entire new team
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: and a new head coach.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: What did you accomplish? Did you not earn your way
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: into the.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Tournament than North Carolina did in the whole season? West
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Virginia accomplished more in terms of wins, high profile wins
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: without Tucker Devrees than Carolina did for an entire season. Right,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: you can full stop there if you want go explain
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: that to me if you're the committee, So if you
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: want to bring up the Tucker Devreeze injury, then let's
• 19:03
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  Speaker 2: just stunning.
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• 20:50
  Speaker 2: How does this dissipate? How does it do it? Because
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: again the missed opportunity for this particular group, and this
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  Speaker 2: program does deserve the opportunity to put the exclamation point
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: on what has been a remarkable season. To claw back
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  Speaker 2: from where you were a year ago at this time
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  Speaker 2: and to play yourself into position to be an NCAA
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  Speaker 2: tournament team and not get that opportunity is just stunning
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  Speaker 2: to me and unfair, unfair. Agreed, and this particular group
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  Speaker 2: will never be together again.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: No, it's really at the same time some other elements
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: here that we're going to get into. But in terms
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: of the athletic department and Wren Baker and fundraising and.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Updating the contract.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: With the coach, you can't afford to sit around and mope.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: You got to be active in getting the new contract
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: with the coach. You got to be active in finding players,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: you got to be active in raising money. From that standpoint,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: you actually have to move on pretty quickly, and you
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: can't afford to be to sit around and mote and
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think they are or not. You have to
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: move ahead quickly.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And hop to those points. All three None of those
• 22:07
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• 22:11
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• 22:13
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• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Are you ready to jump inside the numbers?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, this will do nothing to make us
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• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I mean all year long. The acc just got hammered.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Oh for how bad that league is hammered all year
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: rightfully so.
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  Speaker 2: And committee told you it was bad, and I'm want
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  Speaker 2: to get into some of those numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Horrible league, horrible league. Jim Phillips, the commissioner last year,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: just got absolutely ripped because of the lack of participation
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  Speaker 1: You don't think that simmers going into this year's selection simmers.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Let's begin with a number I brought up in the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: beginning of the show, and let's talk about bracket matrix
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: for a second. One hundred and eleven out of one
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: hundred and eleven bracket projections on the site had West
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Virginia in. There were only four that had West Virginia
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: as a twelve seed. Never mind out, you weren't out,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you were unanimous. Only four of the one to eleven
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: had you as low as a twelve. It becomes the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: first time in bracket Matrix history a unanimous selection on
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: selection day has been left out. Wow, can end the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: segment right there and go to textual healing if you want,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: could just end it right there. I'm gonna make you
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: more mad. Carolina was in twenty seven of one hundred
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and eleven bracket projections. Guys that do this for a living,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: they spend their time on bracket project Since they were
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: in twenty seven of one hundred and eleven, i'llbe you
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: can do the math for me there, I have I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: am counch numbers. That's what people thought of them. You
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: want to go to betting odds. Right before the selection show,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: North Carolina was a plus four to fifty dog to
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: make the tournament. They were a minus seven fifty on
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the know a yes or no? Will Carolina make the tournament?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: A minus seven to fifty no, meaning you had to
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: lay seven hundred and fifty dollars to make one hundred.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: That wouldn't be an advisable bet tony, I know you
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: don't place wagers minus seven fifty on the know. In
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the betting market, Carolina beat zero teams in the top
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: twenty five of the Ken Palm rankings had one top
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: fifty wins since January. First. Here's one that I find
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: interesting because in trying to listen for a defense of Carolina,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it's comical listening to folks trying and defend them because
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: there just isn't a good It's I feel bad for
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the folks hop it's hard to defend something that's that's
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: clearly that wrong. But I did hear some people try
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and say, well, they're hot. They've won eight of their
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: last ten, which years ago was a criteria that the
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: committee used your record in your final games. They did
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: away with that thought it created somebody. They did away
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: with that. But let's take those eight out of last
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: ten where Carolina is hot. Five of those eight wins
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: were over teams one oh four or worse in Ken Palm.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Five of their eight one oh four or worse. West
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Virginia didn't play a team ranked one hundred or worse
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: after January seventh, and played only seven the entire year.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Let me say that again, of the eight wins that
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Carolina has in its last ten games, five to teams
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: ranked one oh four or below in Ken Palm. Two
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: others against eighty nine and ninety six. That's seven of
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: those eight wins are against teams worked below number eighty nine.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: West Virginia only played seven teams all year ranked one
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: hundred and more. West Virginia didn't play a team ranked
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: worse than eighty sixth. Carolina's best win in these final
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: games did not play a team ranked worse than eighty
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: six after January seventh, didn't play one. ACC is ranked
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: as the fifth best league on Ken Pong. Big twelve
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: is third. The committee thought so little of the ACC
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: they only put four teams in, only one better than
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: a five seed. Big twelve has four teams that are
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: four seeds are better. West Virginia beat two of those.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: By the way, Carolina beat none of the other ACC
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: tournament teams zero hopey. The committee thought so little of
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the ACC that Louisville, who's twenty fifth in the Ken
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Palm rankings, has twenty seven wins, has only two losses
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: since December fourteenth, one of which is to number one
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: seed Duke. Over the weekend got an eight seed. That
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: right there tells you what they thought of that conference.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: That look at that louis resume, hoppy, they're an eight
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: seed that was one of the big wows. When that
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: first came up on the screen. That was a wow
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: from people. How'd they get an eight seed? That's what
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: you thought of the league? Yeah, and yet that's the
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: league that you slit a team in on. I am
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: absolutely beside myself that they did that. I can't believe it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question? Yeah?
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: So, And I'm not trying to be a provocate tour.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I'm just asking out curiosity. So why was North Carolina
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: thirty third in kim pom.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: The easiest way to answer that is their offensive numbers
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: were very good, twenty second nationally in offensive efficiency. So
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: those numbers all factor in, okay, and margin of victory.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: They beat some really bad teams badly. That helps your
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: margin of victory, which goes into your offense and defensive
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: efficiency and raises your numbers. But that's the hard thing
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to understand. They take some of those Ken Palm numbers
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and tell you, Okay, North Carolina is pretty high in Ken.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It've thought highly of North Carolina and we've seen that
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: with West Virginia. West Virginia got in a couple of
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: years ago with wins that you went, are they in
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the wins don't look like but the metrics were higher
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: up the net ranking. So North Carolina's net is higher
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: than West Virginia and fairly significantly. So I'd like a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: better explanation of all that goes into the net. But
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: they're significantly higher in that. But here, here's where I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: come back to though. I mean, you can go through
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: those numbers. And again I'm a big numbers guy. The
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Committee has told you it's wins. The only reason we
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: all know what quad one wins are are because the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: committee references it every year. They said to Indiana State
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: last year, you have really good metrics. You have good
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: predictive numbers like the Ken Palm numbers are predictive of
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: what your team may do. You have a really good number.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yah be anybody you only quad one wins, you're out.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Caroline didn't have an quad one wins. They had won
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: over UCLA, who's a seventh seed. That's their one lone win,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and they get in. West Virginia had six sat on
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: six guys. We've been doing this long time. I didn't
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: know there was a distinction between quad one wins. Two
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: weeks ago heard somebody start talking about quad one a wins.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: West Rainie is four and two in those games, had
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: four Quad one a the better of the quad one wins,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: and West Virginia gets left out for a team that's
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: in a league the committee didn't think much of. And
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. If you're a Xavier fan or your
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Xavier's program, you're sitting over there going, oh, please think
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: talk about North Carolina. Don't talk about us. And we
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: can talk about some other teams too. It's Carolina that's
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the most egregious. But let's look at Xavier. They got in.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: They were only in on thirty of the one hundred
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: and eleven brackets on Bracket Matrix. They have fewer Quad
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: one wins than West Virginia. They were one to nine
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: in quad win. Their conference, the Big East not rated
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: as highly. They have zero wins over the Ken Palm
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Top twenty five. They have a non conference strength to
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: schedule of two thirteen. It's worse than West Virginia. There's
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: another new metric out there, and Keith Gill was excited
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: to talk about this new metric that they use this
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: year called wob wins above Bubble, how an average team
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: would do against other bubble teams. They referenced Carolina's strength
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: in the wob. He said it. I'm listening to him
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: on ESPN Radio say that Carolina had a good wob.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: No one who had a better wobb than Carolina. Rhetorical question,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: but it's West Virginia had a better wobb than Carolina,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: as they said, that's one of the reasons for they
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: got it. Have a better wob than Xavier as well.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Somebody can fact check me on this. I'm not all
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the way done. Didn't have enough time to get all
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the way through it. I normally don't go with it
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: until I know it. I'm gonna throw this out. I'm
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: all the way back to twenty eleven Colorado as the
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: last Big twelve team to at least be five hundred
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: in the league and knock it in.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: You can fact check me on that. I'll continue to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: do the research on that. I'm back to twenty eleven.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Think I've got that right. And this was a year
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: when there were more conference games than before, which should
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: give you two more quality wins. Hobby, I'm struggling. I'm
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: struggling to find a reason why Carolina got in. How
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: about they tell you the metrics matter, the Ken palm,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the net those sort of things. You've got Gonzaga, a
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: top ten Ken Palm team gets an eight seed, highly
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: ranked in the net gets an eight seed. Do metrics
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: matter or not? They used them to get Carolina in.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: They penalized a Louisville and a Gonzaga from a seating perspective,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: when seemingly the metrics, the same metrics told you they
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: are criminally under seated. So do they matter or not?
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Do Quad one wins matter or not? They keep moving
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: the goalposts. They mattered last year to keep Indiana State out,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: they don't matter this year when Westfridia had six of them.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, up, You've a complished your goal.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Major Mormad, Major Mormad. And again, there's a couple other
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: teams we can go in and get after. Carolina is
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the most egregious. Xavier's right up there. I don't wwise
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Zavier in the field one in nine in Quad one games.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: So then if the numbers don't work for North Carolina
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: and Xavier and a game we're focused on North Carolina.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: If the numbers don't work, then why did they get in?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: So it's either a just a flawed system, it's a
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: flawed system Therefore mistakes are made B brand, brand awareness C.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: The head of the committee is North Carolina a D.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: If the numbers don't work, and they don't, then there
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: have to be other reasons in confidence, mistakes, brand.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Or the ad good old boys network. That's what you're saying.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Absolutely one more.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: North Carolina has a quad three loss. West Virginia has
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: no Quad three or Quad four losses. Forgot to have
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: that one in there.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is hoppy, Okay, it's It's just an incestuous
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: world that college sports is. That's why we are where
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: we are in college sports. That's why West Virginia is
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: in the same league as Arizona. That's why Oregon. That's
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: why Oregon is in the same league as Rutgers because
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: there is absolute incestuous dealings going on. It's all it's
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: all designated by television. It's designated by the money that
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: television will give to the conferences, and so they do
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: things that are nonlinear, they do things that are irrational,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: they do things simply four dollars. And there's no question
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that Carolina's powder blue is more attractive in the television
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: people's eyes than West Virginia's golden blue.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: So you're saying that television executives were happy that North
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Carolina got.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Any Oh thrilled North Carolina's in absolutely you're thrilled if
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you're a TV and I don't think they got into
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the committee at all instead anything. But when it came
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: out and they got a Carolina game that they can promote,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: hell yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing, guys, Carolina's got some talent they
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: very well make. Going to this tournament and win a
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: couple games. It's not about that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Didn't get it done.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I have to matter what are we doing playing sports?
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: If wins don't determine outcomes. I just and again hop
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: full disclaimer. I'm a guy that looks at the numbers constantly,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: right right, That's that's how I evaluate as well. But
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: at some point the teams that you actually went on
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: the floor and beat, and it's not close in that regard.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: It is simply not close with North Carolina. It is
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: nor is the close with Xavier. It's not close. West
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Virginia had some tremendously good wins this year, and any
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: any effort to discredit those wins is absolute nonsense. And
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you're trying to put an excuse onto a bad decision.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: All right, question again, let me be let me be
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: provocateur on this. If West Virginia had beat.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Colorado, no you're not in the tournament. Doesn't change and
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: you're not in the tournament. No, you're not in the tournament,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: they said. They Cunningham and gil have come out and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: said the final vote was taken Saturday evening and Carolina
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: was in the field assuming Memphis win. That's right, that's right,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: they were in the field. Would and again you're referencing
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the tuckert of Ree's injury. He was injured against Colorado.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: That wouldn't have That wouldn't have changed his vote based
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: on what they're telling you, Because play that out. If
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: UAB had beaten Memphis and been a bid stealer Carolina,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: they claimed Carolina wasn't getting in West Range still wasn't it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like West Trange. Still wasn't it. It wasn't
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: in the field.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how are you not in the field?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: How are you just Saturday night figuring out whether how
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: to get Carolina in the field.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying to you.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I'd like to know what metric tipped it over the edge?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: What was the what possibly was the metric. I still
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: haven't heard anybody say that because there isn't one, then
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: that they shouldn't be in the field. Then if you
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: can't give me, give me a number. Give me the
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: number you used that tipped the scales. What exactly was it?
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I heard some somebody come out today start talking and
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: quad two wins, right, Carolina eight and two and quad win.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: We never talked about quad two wins. Okay, if you
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: want to now combine quad one and quad two, combine those.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: West Virginia still has more of those. There's just there's
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: not a metric.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: You just kept moving the goalposts. Yeah, this way.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Answers to justify what was a bad decision and a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: wrong decision.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: It takes away the entire integrity if there is any
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of the process. That's the there's a fundamental issue. And hobey,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I'll throw this into you because I know the politicians
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: are getting involved now, but what it And again to
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: your point, this will go away here like really really quick, yes,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: because soon as tomorrow comes, which will be Tuesday. In
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the first playing game, like no one's talking about how
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: West Virginia got screwed like this is your day. But
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: there is This is yet another This is yet another
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: indication that the NC Double A is a flawed organization fundamentally.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: How they do this is flawed. They continue to move
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the goalpost in the metrics and it is not It
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: is not as good of a system that can be used,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: plain and simple. I mean, having your ad the chair
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: of the selection committee is like giving a fricking torch
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to an arsonist, Like, you can't have that. His ass
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: needs to be sitting in Chapel Hill waiting to find
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: out if his team gets in.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: You know, Tony, were you here when a Gail Catlet
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: team nineteen ninety seven did not get in the tournament
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: and Fred Shouts, the athletic director, was on the committee, Yes,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: remember that.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: And Gene Corgan, the commissioner of the ACC at the time,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: was on the committee. And Gail absolutely lost his mind,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: rightfully so, because that ninety seven team got screwed, same
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: kind of a deal, absolutely, nineteen ninety seven and Gail
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: lost his mind. And Fred was on the committee. Yeah, and.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: But you know, Fred, I think had had integrity. But
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know what happened behind closed doors on that,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: but I know that Gale was incensed and he should
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: have been, Tony. So you want to talk about the
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: politics of it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Politics are getting involved? Yes, okay.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: So as we record this, Governor Morrissey has a press
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: conference scheduled to begin in a few minutes, and before
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: we leave our recording, I may get some insight into
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: what he's announcing. Excuse me, but he's going to be
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: at this press conference, and Jab McCuskey, the Attorney General,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: is going to be at the press conference. And Marcy
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: was very vague, but expect you to announce some action
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: something concerning the NC DOUBLEA.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Now, a couple of things about this, Tony. One is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: it could be just.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: A strongly worded letter or a request from the NC
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: DOUBLEA saying we want a more clearer definition of what
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: the metrics are in the auto. If they're going to
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: do that, they should check with Brad Howe and get
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: his information.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Which which would be fine.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: You can ask for clarification not just for West Virginia
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: but for all schools, for all schools. I'm sure there's
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: every year there's schools like West Virginia, So that's one thing.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: If you do that, I don't think that's a big problem. However,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: if and this is a big if. If the governor
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: and the Attorney General are announcing a lawsuit or a
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: court action because of what happened, I think that would
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: be a gigantic mistake, A gigantic mistake if in fact
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: that's what they're gonna do, A mistake for this reason.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Right now, you have the sympathy of the country and
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: other schools. If you would take some legal action A
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: people would say, oh, yeah, sour grapes, you didn't get in.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: How you're gonna get lawyers involved? And you would lose
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of that sympathy. A be You're not gonna
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: change anything. That's an independent group, the NCAA. It's not like,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: it's not like whether an athlete is qualified to play
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: or not. This is the rules they come up with
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: to decide who's in a tournament.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Not gonna change anything.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: So I hope if they do anything. First of all,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think they should do anything. I don't think
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: they should do anything and try to capitalize politically, try
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: to capitalize politically on what is an unfortunate circumstance. But
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: if they do so, just okay. You can request the information.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Whether the NCAA responds or not is.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Up to them. And also WVU does not want in
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, they don't want to get in a pissing match
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: with the NC DOUBLEA. They don't want to get in
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: a legal fight. They want they're disappointed, their heartbroken, they
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: want to resign the coach, raise money, and look for
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: players they don't want to have, go in there with
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: sharp elbows and start saying.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: We got screwed. Let's get some lawyers.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: They don't want that, so I hope that's not what
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: the governor and the Attorney general plan to do.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed, Agree, one hundred percent. If you do anything,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: you come out with a statement that says, obviously there
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: are flaws in this system, once again showing that the
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: NC DOUBLEA is a flawed organization and we think West
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Virginia should have been in what a horrific decision. See
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you later out, Yeah, out, don't piss and moan, don't
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: make a federal case out of it, because you will lose. No,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you got no win. You got no you can't win.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: You can't win with that. Well we'll get into that,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: we'll get into going forward. But basically I may find
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: out before you know what you have to do now
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: as you well know metrically, right, So next year when
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: it's November and it's December and you got to buy
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: in game, unfortunately, you got to just go like, what
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: are we up twenty? Make it forty five, and just
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: seriously just throttle teams like you have to be unsportsmanlike
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: because those extra points obviously give you great benefit and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: it's unfortunate and it's counter to what it's supposed to be,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: but you have to hammer those teams because that metric
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: is helping your adjusted offensive efficiency, which takes you up
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: in ken palm ladi do dda.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: That's one and then the other thing that this committee
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: has now done, and it's the thing that I think
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: has made college basketball so much further ahead than football.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: In the process, they've always were war did you for
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: playing a tough schedule, which Carolina did? They always factor
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: that in, but then would always come back when it
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: was deciding on something, when it was critical to in
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: or out you had to beat them, But you did
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: get credit. Your net numbers, your RPI in the old
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: days were helped by playing tough competition. It encouraged tough games.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: You've now said, West Virginia, why would it go schedule
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: tough games. Now, just buy every game, play everybody in
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: the three hundreds, beat the absolute living hell out of them,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and then go win games in your league and you're
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: in because quad one wins do not matter. I do
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: not want to hear quad one wins anymore, Kurtible, Like
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: next year of the committee, you can shove the quad
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: one wins straight up your shove them straight up there,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to hear it anymore. You had
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: six of them and it didn't get in, so you've
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: disincentivized teams to play hard schedules. Now, three days ago,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I would have said, you know what, that Bahamas tournament
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: just got West Virginia in because it gave you some
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Marky wins. And then friggin' Bubba Cunningham and Keith Gill
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: come out and say those games didn't matter because you
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: want him with Tucker to Reez and he didn't play
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: the next three months. I mean, it's it's it hurts
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: my head, Tony. It hurts my head to say this
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: stuff out loud, to think that those gentlemen got up
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and use that as a reason for this.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: You're saying, but you're saying that logically, so you're right
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: based on what happened to go Okay, Quad one wins
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: don't matter, be teams by forty until next year wins
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: and in Indiana?
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Right, So, so in that same schedule, how should you schedule?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Then go ahead and call Ren and call Ben Murray
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: and call Darren Devrees and go ahead. How would you
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: tell him to schedule next year? What would you what
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: would you say to that when you sit down? What
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: would you say to the basketball program on how you
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: should schedule games next year? You're getting calls from promoters
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: all the time. You want to play so and so
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: in the garden, You want to play in DC. Do
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: you want to play in Baltimore? You want to go
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: to Vegas? You want to go to Florida for a term.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: What do you say, No, we're good?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: What do you say, no, we're good?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Then what are we going to do this time next year?
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Hop he's right? When you come in here and you're
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: one in fourteen against Quad one and they go to
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: you Western day's out. You didn't have enough Quad one wins?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Then what are we gonna do? You think we're blowing
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: a top? Now? What do you say? Somebody explain that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Somebody come out and explain that. And again we're gonna
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: move on. We're gonna watch the tournament, and it's gonna
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: be great tournament. There's gonna be some great games by
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: somebody explain that, how should you schedule now?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: By the way, and this is just me, I lost
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: interest in the tournament. You did. That always happens when
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: you're out.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm not not just because because of
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: what I know, what you're saying, and you know me,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: where do you think I sit on the spectrum of
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: people that are interesting games.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: You're at the far end of that counter. You're all
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: in on every game.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: There's a big part of me going really, yeah, it's
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: gonna be a hard one. So I'm just they have
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: botched this process and done a massive disservice to West
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Virginia and again in the whole team, the whole program,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: everybody associated with the program, in particular to those seniors
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: that never get this moment back. The rest of their
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: lives they have to live with getting screwed by the
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: committee and not getting to play in a tournament that
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: they deserve to be in that they played their way in. Right, Yeah,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: unconscious and you.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Know, it's also just a bad life lesson. It's just
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: a bad life lesson because you work hard, you play
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: by the rules, you didn't make excuses.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: You overcame adversity and produced, and we get up and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: we say, now you're not in.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Well, the unfortunately the life lesson that comes out of
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: it is life isn't fair.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Going back nineteen ninety seven, you were wondering about that season, Yeah,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: how about this one. I bet they had like twenty
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: five wins. It will make your head, This will make
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: your head spin. West Virginia went twenty one to ten,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: went eleven and seven in the Big in the Big East.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: And there was something with that that might have all
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: that was historic in some way, and I can't remember
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: exactly what it was either the first time a Big
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: East team had won eleven and not got in. Yeah,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: over Fiord and not gotten.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: It was and end of the season, end of the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: regular season with four consecutive wins. Then went to the
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Big East Tournament and beat seedon Hall by twenty did
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: not get it, did not get did not get into.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: It wasn't sixty four then? Was it was it sixty four? Then? Yeah,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: probably was sixty four. Teams. Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: The next year went out and made it to sweet sixteen. Okay.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: I have a brief story associated with that that when
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: it happened and Gail was so upset.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: So I went out to you know, we were a jammers,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: you remember, Brad, We're a jammers when everyone was waid
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Sunday night. Yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: So I went out the next day and tracked down
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Gail and he was I said, coach, can I interview
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: he goes? You get a statement from Fred? I said, yes, sir, okay,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: that's my statement.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: One the one of the few times Gail wouldn't do
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: the interview. I think he was just so mad, so
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I said.
• 47:57
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• 48:02
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  Speaker 1: Great year. Ironically in the show, ironically if they win,
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  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me that? That's the discussion last night
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  Speaker 2: and West these women's teams getting sent to Chapel Hill.
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  Speaker 2: That's what you can't you can't make that up. That
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  Speaker 2: is they're sending West Virginia to Chapel Hill. Of all
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  Speaker 2: they're sending them to Chapel Hill.
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  Speaker 3: That is that is ironic. I think that does fit
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: the definition of ironic.
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  Speaker 1: Yes it does. And also a shout out to Kaylee McCabe. Awesome.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Kayle McCabe wins the three thousand meter of the indoor
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  Speaker 3: Championships in Virginia beach uh sets.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Was it a personal best for her? Was?
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: But it was I know it was to set the
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: record for the for the arena. I think we have
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: a picture, Jake, you got to pick there she is.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: That's the that is the celebration of the factory. Congratulations
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: are Olympian's congratulation another another great Canadian runner. Yeah for wu.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: First ever West Virginia woman to win the national three
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  Speaker 3: thousand meter I think I have the right anyway, wonderful career.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: She's done everything she's won, I mean, and that's just
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  Speaker 3: like the cherry on the top of winning the indoor
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: championship into three thousand.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Lots of times, I'll walk my dog near the football stadium, yeah,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and she'll come through running. She's going, she's flying. Good grief.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not one of those jobs where your are
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: barely off the ground.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: It's a what was that?
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you barely? It's all right, And that's just a
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  Speaker 2: warm up run, pau Yeah, there's not timing herself. It's
• 52:29
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• 52:34
  Speaker 2: The World champion rifle.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Team, the World champion rifle team. Go ahead, line up
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: another another world championship.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: That's all they do.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: One hundred and fourth something like that. And fifth, congratulations
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: to our guy John Hammond and that crew. Awesome.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: How about the Yeah, absolutely, congratulations to John and all the.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Mountaineer twentieth, twentieth title.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Twentieth. I mean, that's enough for all their
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: fingers and her toes. Just put rings on.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: It's pretty awesome. Already awesome.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Wow them. And then the Mountaineer baseball team had the
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: most surreal weekend ever as they get ready to open
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: up a big twelve play we had we covered it
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: accidentally started on Thursday. We had Dave hun Ziker, the
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: play by play announcer for Oklahoma State, and he said,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: now Tony, you should be all right, but they're talking
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: about heavy winds here on Friday. They could they could
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: reach up to fifty miles an hour. Oh gosh. And
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: we said, oh, that's kind of weird. Winter I just
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: thought it was when he goes So we're going to
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: try to play. We'll see hopefully it goes away. And
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: then comes Friday and Junior sent me a picture from
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: the still water and it was just like yellow outside brown.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I couldn't see fifty feet And then fires started and
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: what happened was power lines went down, arked fires. So
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: we're doing sports line Friday night and hun Zicher we
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: get him back on the line after they postponed the
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: game and he said, I have I had to evacuate
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: my house, Oh my gosh, and this is really bad.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And then the Mountaineer baseball team had to evacuate its hotel,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: had to go to Tulsa, and by the time the
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: thing was done, one hundred houses burned, including Scott Sutton
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: who's on the staff at Oak State basketball. His dad
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Eddie Sutton, a legendary coach. And so they don't do anything.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Saturday yesterday they play a single game and just a
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: tremendous game, had like two hundred and seven or two
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: hundred and eight home runs hit between the two teams,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and West Virginia got the last two run, ding dong,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: and they win the game eight to six. But that's it.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: They went all the way out there. Fortunately to my knowledge,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: there were no injuries, believe.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: It or not in all of that, even though with
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: all the all the storms there was something like forty.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Day yeah I'm saying the Stillwater area, yeah, okay, and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: so yeah, they were there were there were deaths in
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: other areas in the Midwest. And so they come home
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and they got a w and now they got JMU
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: for two, and then they got Arizona's Friday Saturday sun
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Day here and so Steve has got Steve Sabbans has
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: got his first win, and the Mountaineers really hit the ball. Well,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: what a big mess they got. They they got he
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: got a team, he got teams, they got guys, they
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: got guys, and so does and so does Oklahoma State.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Holy hell, did you see that? But did you see
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: the relievers? Like every one of their relievers looked like
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Freddie Mercury at two hundred and sixty five pounds, mustache,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: all had the guy. All the dudes had mustache, short hair,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and like they just came out and just throwing, like
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: throwing bebies in West Virginia just didn't flinch. Good for them.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: We gotta get we got to get our tailgate set up.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Hoppy. I don't even know now that with this, I'm well,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I'll get into that as well. I just think, what
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: what right now? I'm just so pissed off. Well, I
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: don't want to do anything. You have to. Let me
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: say this. I that's my concern today that when things happen,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: and it's not good, things happen, things get emotional. Decisions
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: you make you may not have made them yesterday, but
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: decisions get emotional. Yes, and you go back to rich Rod. Right, Yes,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: he loses the pit game and he did not make
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: a he did not make the same decision he would
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: have had it been a cooling off period of course.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: So like that kind of thing just well is That's
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: why I'm saying, this thing has turbulence that goes along
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: with it unintended consequences, is what I'm saying.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: You know what the stages are denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Now that can happen brad quickly, or it can take
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: a long time, or you can never get through it.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: But those are the stages.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't think acceptance ever comes from me
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: on this one understood work through the other ones. Acceptance
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: never won't get there. I mean we're over denial.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I think everybody's over denial, and you're I mean we're
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: transitioning from denial into anger.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, is where we are.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Acceptance incoming.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Remember I tell you about Lou Wendell. Yeah, they're given
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: away you ready now, I think you're not giving away
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: like a buoy. They're not giving away an anchor booeye,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: giving away a bully given away. They're giving away a
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Honda forty horsepower outboard motor. Oh, that's nice to celebrate
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: their fortieth anniversary. So here here's what you Yeah, here's
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• 57:46
  Speaker 3: All that time on the island, they couldn't fix that boat,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: and they couldn't fix them Minnow what they doing jacking around?
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Didn't even try? The first time I've laughed since yesterday.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Hear what he said? No, he said, Gilligans, what the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: hell are they doing on an island? Just jacking around?
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Gotta fix a damn boat?
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Got a professor there, I got a professor jacking around?
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: And why were the howls who were wealthy wealthy? Why
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: are they on that little boat?
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Freaking Thurston lovey lovey love.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: See it's important also to laugh to him. I know
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Brad's not last not laughing.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, let's do textual healing. I'll say this to y'all.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: They were well over two hundred. Really, Yes, well, there
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: were two hundred submissions to Textual Healing, and not surprisingly,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: they pretty much contained the same theme. So was the
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: word screwed in any of them? Yeah, there was a
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: lot of words that were in them. Some people double
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: clutched and said they had to do it several times
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: to take all the expletives out, saying so basically, this
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: is a compilation, compilation of what everyone else is thinking sane.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: So thanks very much for participating. Episode eight. Hunter dot
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• 59:20
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• 59:28
  Speaker 1: you had your hand up, classmate. What'd you need there?
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I just again, the governor had a news conference
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: start at one o'clock. The Attorney General mccuskey's there, Jeff
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Jenkins telling me that the governor's asked McCuskey to launch
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: an investigation to see if any backroom deals were made. Quote,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: we're going to get to the bottom of this. I'll
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: answer the first part. Well, it's all backroom because they're
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: meeting their meeting closed doors.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: So it's all backroom.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: But I would just say this, don't make a federal
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: case out of this. I don't know whether I mean
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: the Attorney General must do what I mean, he has
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: a responsibility to to follow up on this, but don't
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: don't make a federal case out of this.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: You're just gonna look, You're gonna look. You can't win.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: You can't win. That's that's the best way to say.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna do anything. You're not making any movement.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: You can just issue the statement say needs to be fixed.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: The n CUAA is a botch job and move on.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Texter Jeremy from Liberty. By the way, speaking of apparel,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: have I seen you wear that one before?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: The one I have on today right now? No brand
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: new really. Unfortunately, that is the old w V. Show
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: him that out of the College vault, Out of the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: College vault. It's old school when you were election from
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Peter Blar an old school throwback logo. Unfortunately, this was
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: going to be the opening game of the NCAA tournament. Uniform.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: That's it, just throwback Daniels Morningtown. Phil's got some in
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: there if you like.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: So that was a logo when you came to school here.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: You know, different if you were a Beanie that I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: was post Beanie, post Beanie, post Beanie.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean was there was still that logo
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: was still around.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: It was prior to the Flying WV. I mean obviously
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: when I was in school.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just different.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice. I like it. I like it to
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Jeremy from Liberty asked a bigger screw job Kevin Jones
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: for the biggiest player of the year or West Virginia
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: not getting a tournament?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Good one, Jeremy, both way up there.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: West Virginia not getting in a tournament.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: McCuskey said, quote, We're going to ask for a level
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: of detail of how you get into the tournament. We
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: want to find out from the NCAA what is the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: objective metric?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Chris and Austin right, it's unbelievable. My heart hurts for
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Javon Small, the seniors that came here for a chance
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: to make the tournament. This egregious omission makes me ask,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: are we just going to bow down to the SEC
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. We were told we would be
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: safe at nine and eleven, and we overachieved. We were
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: five hundred only to be excluded. Meanwhile, two SEC teams
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: get in at six and twelve in conference. Come on,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: and why do they get to be the only power
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: for a conference to not play twenty conference games win padding,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: just like in football? What a joke. I'm not even
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: going to dive into Bubba Cunningham situation. Thanks for all
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: you do, Chris and Austin.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Isn't every SEC team in the tournament all but two amazing,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: amazing gentlemen.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: There are not enough expletives to describe what I think
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: about the selection committee. I know it won't really accomplish anything,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: but should Brett Yormark make a statement regarding the blatant
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: conflict of interest?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Tony just WoT a drop? After this, Jeff Jenkins tells
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: me there's no talk of any injunction or court action
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: anything like that, just that w West Virginia political user
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: are very upset and they want to know more about
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: the metrics that are used.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: I think Brett or Mark will have a statement saying
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: how disappointed he is. At the very least, I'm surprised
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: it's not already out.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: To be honest, Texas says, I have an idea for
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: the next banner at the coliseum, first team unanimously selected
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: to not make the tournament.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: It's pretty goodt hanging the banner.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I'm done with the NCAA. Texas says. Texas says, I'm
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: sure Brad will get into the numbers and all the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: SEC picks except two and six with losing conference records.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Bubba from NC says West Virginia out because Tucker was out.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Really and they said that they added new metrics. I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: guess that was one of them. When our commissioner was
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: asked last week during the Big Twelve tournament during an
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: interview what he thought of the SEC in the Big Ten,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: requesting that they both get at least four teams into
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff and the Big Twelve would only
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: get two. Our commissioner said, if that's what's good for
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: college football, he was okay with it, So I guess
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: he's okay with the SEC doubling the Big Twelve in
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: the tournament. He was too impressed with the floor design
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: in Kansas City. Don't think that was one of the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: new selection committee metrics. I thought he wanted to make
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: the Big Twelve the basketball conference. I guess it's just
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a matter of time before the SEC and the Big
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Ten merge. Add a few big names, and they become
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: the college football league that will look like the new
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: NFL model. It's all about the money ESPN for now,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: until the new league has its own network.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: You know, the Big twelve is going to have to
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: get really really sharp elbows otherwise, and the ACC too,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Otherwise you're going to get completely dictated to going forward.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it's happening with this SEC football deal. Yeah, in
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten, about these four bids, it's happening. My
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: disappointment in the NCAA snub far greater than this year's tournament.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: It's another clear sign that when music stops, only forty
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: eight to sixty schools end up getting seats at the table.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: West Virginia is going to be on the outside looking at.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: We had better get good fast, or get used to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: the idea of becoming group of five. I don't think
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I'd be guilty of being over dramatic to say that
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: would be devastating for the university enrollment, the perception of
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: our state in the future of the economy. Stephen Tennessee, Hey.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Tony, I hope, I really hope that what has happened
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: does not have a negative impact on Darren Davree's decision
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: whether to re up. Look, his name is mentioned on
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: the IOWAA job, the Indiana job. I just hope that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: it's not like that rich Rod Michigan thing. And I
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: think Devree's got a better head on her shoulders and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: rich head at that time. But you don't want one
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: other thing to tip the scale here and make it
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: more difficult to well.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, And I've said before I think if
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: you're the Iowa d ADM particular, you probably should have
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: been fired for not hiring him last year. You should
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: have made the move last year for a guy who
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: were going to make the move on in Fran McAffrey.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: And you had a guy ninety minutes away from you
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: doing what Darren did, and if you couldn't see what
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: a great coach he was, than shame on you. So
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: probably should be removed from your post for not doing
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: it last year. If he's not the first call on
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: the list, then you should be out of a job.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, he absolutely should. It doesn't mean he's going
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: to take their offer. I was in a position as
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: a basketball job. It's got a lot of work to do.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: You know, it's one of the rare programs. This year, guys,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: it made less money on its men basketball ticket sales
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: than it did on women's basketball ticket sales. They've also
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: got a lot of money dedicated to wrestling that there's
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: some things you've got to consider there for the next
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: head coach of that position. I will say this, I'm
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: with you, obviously. I think west Ring has got a
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: great one in Darren. I hope he stays, and I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: hope what it becomes is you take this as mad
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: as hell as you are and turn it into all right,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: here we go everywhere to fight. You all want to fight.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Now, We're going to fight.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Tucker. You're back, Get healthy, Tucker. We're dropping one hundred
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: and twelve points on North Carolina Central, whoever the heck
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: those non conference teams are, and Tucker, you're going to
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: stay in the game and you're going to shoot one
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty threes and make ninety of them on everybody.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I hope that's the attitude that comes out of this.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Here's the other point, And you guys know, coach Devire's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: a lot better than I do. My understanding is that
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: this is not about you're gonna have to pay You're
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: not have to pay Debrees like eight million dollars?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Is not that it is?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Does Devrees see that this program has the commitment to
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: provide the reasonable resource is necessary to be successful. That
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: to me is the biggest factor here, not how much
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: more you pay the coach.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: That is the factor, and that will also be the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: factor for the coach following Daron Devrees whenever that is,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: for the coach following Rich Rodriguez or whatever it is.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: That that's the central question. It's moved beyond how much
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: can you pay me? Are the resources available to win
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: at the highest level? Right, that's the question.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Three guys before the game brought to us by Tutor's
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Biscuit We're a limited time you can grab one of
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: four biscuits at regular price and then get a second
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: one for absolutely one American dollar. You heard that right, me,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I said, you heard that right. You buy one either
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: the Dotty, the Sausage, the Peppy or the hash Brown,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: and then you get one of the others for a dollar.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Three guys, biscuit not included, So you're high step and
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: visit a Tutor's Biscuit World. In fact, if you like
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Tudor's biscuit. Just buy a franchise.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: You may or may not get cheese on that three
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: guys cheese option.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you get cheese sometimes don't remember we had that
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: texture that's sent in that should be the thing in disorder,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of you don't know what you're going
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: to get. By the way, I do think Western has
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: done a good job of articulating that of their here's
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: our resources, here's what we're trying to do. Here's how
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: we help you win. I think there has been very
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: good dialogue between the coach and the administration on here,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: we've got your back, here's what we have.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: And Brad, as you said, if you got to in
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: this world, you take a negative and you build on
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: it in the positive.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, like, well we got screwed, we need to do
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: these things. Get with us.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: I mean it can be a rallying point for your
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: coach and your program.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yes, I mean to Brad's point, the conversation
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: between administration and Darren in regard to going far, it
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: has been NonStop for months. It hasn't stopped. It's constantly Okay,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? What do you need what can
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: we take care of? So it's not something like, hey,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: they woke up this morning, Hey Darren, I want to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: get back to you. Hear about it day. It's NonStop.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: It's not furiously calling his cell phone going oh we
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: hope you have can we Darren, we got talk to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: you about what's not We have talked to about it.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: It's not that they was an ongoing, continuous discussion and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: quite frankly, we'll be moving forward, right, It will be
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: moving forward. This isn't a start and stop conversation, right,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: It's continuous now in today's climate, it's continuous conversations all
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: the time about what you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, they were together Sat Friday, maybe Saturday too,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: but Friday I saw him Charleston because Darren had come down,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: you know, his daughter playing on the Morgantown team, along
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: with coach Kellogg's daughter playing on the Morgantown team. And
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: and uh so the two Kellogg and Frees both came
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: down and Rin Baker was with him. They sat together
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: at the Charleston Coliseum and Convention Center.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Had Tatum had a game there.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Who came out of the gate blistering hot, had two threes.
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  Speaker 1: Early, similar shooting style to Tucker.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't touch rim.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: No, there's two threes. She was dropping them down by
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: the way. Congratulations to Spring Valley into the other three
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: teams that won world championships down in Charleston the girls tournament.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Fantastic Gilmore one single way you did? Were you down there?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Did a couple of games? I thought I heard your
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Saturday morning a little early, wasn't it for you? That
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: was fine? And then Wayne, you were geting Gilmour lined up,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: didn't they? Yeah, lined up beating and then Charleston cathlet
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: beat That was a good game. I watched that one.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Did you watch it? I did? How did I do? Oh?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Was that you? Who'd you think it was? Tony Kreedi? Damn?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I forgot to turn the volume up that also, that's
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: a big that was a big contention in the house
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: this weekend. I don't turn the volume up, and I've
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: got now, I've got the YouTube TV and I put
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: four games on. I'm watching four once. Oh, and I
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: don't use any volume and Joan, it makes Joan lose
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: her mind.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what you're looking at. You don't even
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: thank you? You you know what you're seeing exactly. Yeah,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: so I said, no, I don't.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: You did not listen to me. Ah, you were in
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: the background, was having coffee. It was early. Thanks Buddy
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  Speaker 1: Bert Oley Ash great does a great job there with
• 1:11:21
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• 1:11:25
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• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: foot seventeen son. It's going to be playing in the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: right yes, down there. I didn't know she was a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: good player, Wayne, Yes she was. She has a thousand points? No,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: she she had?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Do I have that right on my head spinning from
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: olive factories. I think she had nine hundred and ninety
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: six points.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Really she played AAU I think with Gina de Blaze.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: She also coached a lot of AAU. Oh yeah, the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Wayne had the Atkins twin. They were only twins, two
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: sisters who are triplets part of trips.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Two of the three played well. The third is a boy.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Oh he didn't not available, but they were really good.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Texter Ritchie from Burlington Brad will get this. Getting snub
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: from the tournament is one of the biggest snubs, along
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: with Stedman Bailey not getting the boltnikof right there.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: That's Bruce Knob Mount Rushmore getting bigger all the time.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: That is way up there too.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, as I got fitted for my wedding suit
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: at Daniel's this past weekend, I asked the good man
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: and told him three guys sent me here, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: they're sending a lot of people here. Next group behind
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  Speaker 1: us also mentioned three guys. He says, see, I told you,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: of course they are. Thank you. Yeah, love, that's great.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: That that was Richie.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Richie.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Good luck on the wedding.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Texter says the SEC bias unbelievable. The TV networks aren't
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: even trying to hide it anymore. ESPN tried to break
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: the Big twelve aparts so the SEC property could get
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: more valuable. Then as soon as the league has an
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: objectively bad year in football, ESPN decides that's the only
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: conference that will talk about or show on their TV.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Then the committee decides to put fourteen of them in
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: three more than any previous conference. The obvious money grab
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: by these TV networks is turning me off from college
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: sports very fast.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Do not look to the TV networks broadcasting the games
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: for objectivity on the games.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: There is a big period, big SEC push. There are
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: talk nextures, right, it is really noticeable.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: There's a good one here from Evan in South Charleston.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: College sports prioritize branding over winning. Dan Patrick consistently refers
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: to it as a TV show who cares about a
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: one in thirteen record and challenging games or eleven conference
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: wins against teams with a net ranking between ninety to
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: two twenty five. The jersey color holds more significance. Evan
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: in South Charleston. I think there's truth to that. I do,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I truly do. I mean, this is TV, man, it's
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: a click above pro wrestling, but it's getting there. You
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: want storylines, yeah, you want an atraction.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: You want to and I look, I get that. I
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: understand that that it's an attraction. But when the attraction well, I.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Mean, it just it's just it just makes you want
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: to hit your head into a wall. I mean, Hubert
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Hubert Davis is like we're talking about his replacement, right,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Like there was more talk during regular season of who
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: the next North Carolina coach was rather than them being
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament and Bubba Cunningham. Okay, fine, he gets
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: a he gets a bonus because his team gets into
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: the tournament. He's like one year away from being done
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: right off the committee. And again, I'm just going back
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: to implicit bias. I've been on committees when someone has
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: to leave the room and then you come back in,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: where are you gonna go? Like, hey, how sorry? Man?
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Like we can't do it? No, you don't. You find
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: a way. You find a find you fine, you fart around,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: you move the you move this to this to this,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: you find a way. Sure ted From Colorado. First, there's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: no question leaving West Virginia out one of the biggest
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: screw jobs ever. With that said, West Virginia needs to,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: quoting Tony, get more better players. Also, we need to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: WMG win more games, at least three to four this year,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: where Brad said that game was there for the taking,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: including Colorado. The lesson don't leave your fate up to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: a politically motivated committee.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: You know, but you're right.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: It's it's always about the players. And you say, get
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: better players, and you want to go get better players
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: at this, But but you did with the players, you
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: had enough, you did what you needed to do, so
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: so you're right here. So but both of those things
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: can be true. It can be one of the biggest
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: screw jobs in history? And could you have one more games?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: You know who else could have won more games? Fregaging
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: North Carolina like they should have won more games. So
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: this is one of those discussions, Ted, I get you,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: and I hear what you're saying, and ultimately, yeah, win
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: a couple more games. When I'm having this discussion at
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: the same time, both of those things can be true.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: You did enough objectively to get into this event.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Here last one scope spreads maybe the doctor West from
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Charleston have typed this a few times, but I had
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: to delete for bad language. I just wanted to say
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: I am done with the NCAA. They do whatever they
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: want to do. No one holds them accountable. They talk
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: about quad one wins. West Virginia had as many as
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: the last four in combined UNC getting in travesty. Guess
• 1:16:43
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  Speaker 1: the show. Here's the episode seven ninety nine. Yeah, so
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: thought comes to mind, So how do you make the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: committee better? You want to hei make committee better? Hell,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: go get Jay Wright, Go get Jim Calhoun, Go get
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Jim bay Hymen. I know I just named three big East,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, you see where I'm going.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: You go get retired coaches and you have them pick
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: the freaking teams. You have them pick the freaking teams.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: That would be a lot easier to do it that way,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: a lot easier to do it that way. It would
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: be more palatable to have it done that way.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll defer to you guys for a better system.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: I think that's a good point, Tony.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Here's why, man, because those guys, when you bring a
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: team up, they would go that team's horse crap because
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: they know and they'll go, no, that team's good because
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: bah blah, blah blah. They have a much better insight
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: into it, much better. Senator agreed, disacred.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's a lot of flaws in any
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: system made up of a committee. There's going to be
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of flaws that come out. You also can't
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: do it all metrically based. There's flaws in that as well.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: So I get it. But this, I'll just end with this.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: This was a really bad look. This was a bad
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: day for the NCAA basketball Committee. I'll leave it at that.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: It was a very bad look.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: And I'll end with this.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: I wonder if anybody on the committee when they were
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: doing the North Carolina thing and they had Cunningham leave
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: the room. I wonder if anybody was thinking, you know,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: I put North Carolin. If we put North Carolina in there,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: that's going to be tough to defend. I would like
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: to know if anybody had reservation.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: At hope there was. These are people that pay a
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: lot of attention to the games. Theoretically, there had to
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: be multiple people in the room that said hold on,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: here had to be and they had to go through
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: that stop sign. But there had to be people that
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: brought that up because I don't know how you couldn't.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like this, because how is this going to look?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: Somebody had to say how is this going to look?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: It's not like North Carolina was going to be a
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: five seed. It was automatic, right, So stunning, still stunned, stunned.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: You're still in the anger mode, yeah, denial slash anger, Yeah, Tony,
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  Speaker 2: of do you remember that screw job in twenty twenty five? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Until the day we're not here any longer, this one will.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: It's that bad of an oversight, agreed.
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  Speaker 1: If there's anything good that comes from comes from it
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: in this crazy world that we're living at where money
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: is dictating everything, you just hope maybe like there is
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• 1:20:16
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  Speaker 1: what do you need? What do you need? Let's go
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  Speaker 1: get players, because I know you can coach the living
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• 1:20:29
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  Speaker 2: And again, I hope, I hope Darren's the coach next year.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: I've I've I feel that he will be. And I
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: hope Tucker comes out in those first couple of games,
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  Speaker 2: and I hope they're against teams three sixty or worse
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: in the Ken Palm, and all due respect to them, Hobby,
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  Speaker 3: Well, you can't get a tournament. You had an unfair
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  Speaker 2: well the season's over on November twenty third, if it
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