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Rams GM Les Snead on James Gladstone's New Role | The O-Zone Podcast · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Soon.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior writer John Osher.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, welcome into this week's Ozone podcast. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: excited about this one. It's it's a special guest. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams general manager Less Sneid and I Less,
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  Speaker 3: I know, normally don't talk a lot team to team,
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  Speaker 3: but with James Gladstone coming in, I appreciate you taking
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  Speaker 3: the time.
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  Speaker 1: To do this.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wait, this is where I started. So it's with
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  Speaker 4: James going back.
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  Speaker 1: It's full.
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  Speaker 4: It's definitely full story, right, and was able to rekindle
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  Speaker 4: even a relationship with Tony Boselli during that sure, even
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  Speaker 4: though I know he had been around doing his radio
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  Speaker 4: thing and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: But he's always the core of the Jags.
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  Speaker 4: So I mean, you know what, what was the first
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  Speaker 4: It's a pretty cool story for him, right first? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: first dra aspect ever, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Earns the yellow jacket.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, anybody if you're picking first in the draft,
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  Speaker 4: I know that so many years later he's gonna.
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  Speaker 2: First the pride of the Jaguars as well.
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  Speaker 4: And then and to be a you know, an integral
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  Speaker 4: piece of running the Jags moving forward. And the cool
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  Speaker 4: thing is when I when we were. When I was
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  Speaker 4: talking to Tony about James We'll get to it, you
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  Speaker 4: could just feel his passion. Uh it really just oohs,
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  Speaker 4: I want what's best for the Jags. There was I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure he doesn't have to do this. I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 4: this is better than you know, doing a day job
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  Speaker 4: or something like that. But you could just tell there's
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  Speaker 4: this there's this part of him that, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: I just want the Jags to get back to being
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  Speaker 4: a little bit who they were when they started that.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people probably don't even.
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  Speaker 4: Remember because that was a pretty that was a pretty
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  Speaker 4: cool run that coach Coauughlin started there.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to James, and I'm excited about talking about him,
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  Speaker 3: But something you just said struck me. How important is
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  Speaker 3: it for an organization that element you're talking about with
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  Speaker 3: Tony knowing what it's supposed to be, about, what the
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  Speaker 3: culture is supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 4: It makes sense, I think, especially in the tech world
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  Speaker 4: now with this whole AI thing and everyone's trying to
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  Speaker 4: get AI more intelligent, and really I think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of times when you read about AI, it's those little nuances, right,
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  Speaker 4: So you think Tony started there in nineteen ninety five
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  Speaker 4: and he's been there for thirty years, So there is
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  Speaker 4: so much nuance that's compounded over time that's just running
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  Speaker 4: probably subliminal in his his breain.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's better to think about it.
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  Speaker 4: It's very important, especially if the motives are right, and
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  Speaker 4: you see that probably would would college programs when you
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  Speaker 4: if you can bring back someone who started or been
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  Speaker 4: there before, either as a player, a student, assistant, things
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 1: If the if you still have passion.
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  Speaker 4: If the motives are right, there is probably a vibe
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  Speaker 4: there that are not outsider can't bring.
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  Speaker 2: Just couldn't right.
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  Speaker 1: As hard as they would.
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  Speaker 4: Try, it would take a long time to get the
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  Speaker 4: amount of nuanced let's call it knowledge into that algorithm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you.
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  Speaker 2: N ninety seven.
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  Speaker 1: You were with the Jacks.
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  Speaker 3: Uh tell me about your start and your memories of Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 4: I think the my I started, I was a I've
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  Speaker 4: joked the mascot it.
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  Speaker 1: Was, it was Curtis de Vorcee.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, so there was an element of jealousy, uh there
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  Speaker 4: because we're just low level employees.
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  Speaker 1: That was probably the lowest level in that building. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about the rubber floors, and so.
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  Speaker 4: Scouting assistant was basically anything anyone needed to do, and
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't scouting.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And then a little bit that's how James started with myself.
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  Speaker 4: But I can so jealous of Curtis because he was
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  Speaker 4: a mascot and had it they him a car, and
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  Speaker 4: we're we're really poor and just trying to survive. So
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  Speaker 4: when we did play basketball, we would always try to
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  Speaker 4: beat him. But it was all based on right, just
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  Speaker 4: natural human nature and that so it started. I can
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  Speaker 4: remember probably the first scouting report I ever wrote. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: it was probably during a mini camp when there was
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  Speaker 4: no pads going on. So I'd come from the SEC.
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  Speaker 4: I thought I knew it all right, you're in the SEC,
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  Speaker 4: big bad SEC, and I'd only really been a gradual
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  Speaker 4: assistant coach there and said, but and I remember probably
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  Speaker 4: rejecting John yorkobic when you saw John like this guy
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  Speaker 4: it was easy to do, right, Yeah, just like this
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  Speaker 4: guy couldn't even play at all. But so that shows
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  Speaker 4: you how wrong, uh, you know, when you're when you
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  Speaker 4: think you're a young know it all, how wrong you
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  Speaker 4: can be.
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  Speaker 2: Coughlin had a camp without pads.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I do think there was a moments where
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  Speaker 4: we did go But I mean I was even thinking,
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  Speaker 4: I can't even remember that.
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  Speaker 1: Did we do? Did you do?
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  Speaker 4: Did we even what were OTA's called?
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  Speaker 1: Could you even go pads? Then?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you could go pads, but you could
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  Speaker 3: certainly push envelopes, yes, and Tom was able to do that.
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  Speaker 2: So wait your best or how did that time with
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  Speaker 2: Tom shapey?
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  Speaker 1: I think it.
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  Speaker 4: I think I've I've tried to do a one liner
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  Speaker 4: for each probably great coach, great front off, great executive,
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  Speaker 4: whatever owner that you've been with. I just I think
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  Speaker 4: we were laughing. We were talking about painting the walls.
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  Speaker 4: What you do consistency was what I in the in
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  Speaker 4: the and that's everybody go, okay, that is cliche, but
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  Speaker 4: when you actually see someone live it every single day
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  Speaker 4: where you I can remember Pat Die Senior, who was
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  Speaker 4: a coach at Auburn, saying, there's going to be moments
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  Speaker 4: where you're just not going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Fired up to play a game on Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: It might be a hot, muggy, humid day in South Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: But if we.
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  Speaker 4: Consistently practice at a certain time during the day during
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  Speaker 4: the summer, all year long, when that opponent shows up
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  Speaker 4: and you really didn't want to play. They may be
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  Speaker 4: more fired up you because they're coming to Auburn. You'll
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  Speaker 4: just by habit be better prepared to handle that humidity
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  Speaker 4: and things like that. So that but Tom was when
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  Speaker 4: I can remember this story and it has nothing to
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  Speaker 4: do with football, but used to work out early in
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  Speaker 4: the morning, and I would try to in a competitive way.
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  Speaker 4: You know what, if Tom gets there early, I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to get there early to work out. But he would
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  Speaker 4: come in and he had his routine Monday through Friday,
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  Speaker 4: whatever it was. But if it was Tuesday and he
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  Speaker 4: started at this time on this machine, he started at
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  Speaker 4: that time on that machine, and he went to the
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  Speaker 4: next one, next one there, and then on Wednesday he
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  Speaker 4: had his and.
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  Speaker 1: It was that way. That's how he lived.
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  Speaker 4: And I think in those times, if you think about it,
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  Speaker 4: an expansion team to playing an AFC Championship game probably
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  Speaker 4: year two and that run there over those first especially
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  Speaker 4: three to four years, he had I think consistency living consistency. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: definitely paid dividends.
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  Speaker 3: So how much truth is there to the Starbucks meeting
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  Speaker 3: with James?
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  Speaker 1: Take me through that.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of truth to the Starbucks meeting with James,
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  Speaker 4: the one that the first time I met Jane or
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  Speaker 4: I said that I didn't even meet James again. I
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  Speaker 4: think everybody knows my son went to play football, and
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  Speaker 4: really it was his dad is who really am impressed me.
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  Speaker 4: So if you think at that time, my son's come
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  Speaker 4: to Saint Louis, he's big into sports. I wish he
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  Speaker 4: was more a Stem kid. Just wasn't a Stem kid.
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  Speaker 4: And in Clayton High School at that point in time,
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  Speaker 4: was it was. It was probably in the where it
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  Speaker 4: was located more culturally art a lot of academic sports
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  Speaker 4: was not its thing. Superintendent, their assistant superintendent said, you
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  Speaker 4: ought to meet this guy, Gene Gladstone. We just hired him.
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  Speaker 4: He had retired from coaching at ViOn.
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  Speaker 1: He was there.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna try to We talked him into doing Clayton football.
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  Speaker 4: I go meet with him and you're just like, you
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  Speaker 4: know what, my son's playing for this guy, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Care if we win a game. That's who you want.
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  Speaker 4: Developers, but being a GM and things, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm out of the I'm not going to be the
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  Speaker 4: helicopter dad around the program. So I really didn't know
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  Speaker 4: James but I did. I remember going to a first
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  Speaker 4: PTA meeting and it was new school orientation, new student
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  Speaker 4: or probably all kids back to school, and James was
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  Speaker 4: in charge of extracurriculars and Clayton High School had maybe
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  Speaker 4: had four hundred clubs, and I remember this young guy
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  Speaker 4: getting up there and I'm like, I mean the way
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  Speaker 4: he presented, I was like, I remember going home and
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  Speaker 4: tell my wife I want to join a club, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know which club I'm joining, It's probably not
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  Speaker 4: the chess club. I want to join the club. And
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  Speaker 4: it was that impressive. But then and then the little
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  Speaker 4: girls that my wife had met him at the bonfire, just.
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  Speaker 1: A very impressive human.
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  Speaker 4: Again, I kind of dealt more with Gene his dad,
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  Speaker 4: not necessarily James, and trying not to be the helicopter
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  Speaker 4: I was well aware of.
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  Speaker 1: James was the OC.
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  Speaker 4: But when I you know, when we connected, I connected
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  Speaker 4: with Gene his dad. But at that point, yes, the
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  Speaker 4: he had he had reached out as we were going
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  Speaker 4: to leave to go to Los Angeles and said, I'd
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  Speaker 4: love to have a meeting with you. So we had
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  Speaker 4: this Starbucks that was on the corner that I always
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  Speaker 4: frequented a great place to write.
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  Speaker 1: It was the old school Scarbucks where you had couches
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  Speaker 1: and how.
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  Speaker 4: It used to be before everybody did mobile orders. Went
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  Speaker 4: sat on a cool couch and talked about life. And
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  Speaker 4: he said he might want to do right, you know,
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  Speaker 4: this journey in the NFL, and not necessarily to be
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  Speaker 4: a GM, but probably his his natural coded curiosity of expanding,
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  Speaker 4: like let's call it broadening, expanding his horizons.
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  Speaker 3: But you still got a chance that a guy can
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  Speaker 3: You saw something in him?
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  Speaker 1: Oh it was.
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  Speaker 4: I knew from again that meeting. I first saw him
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  Speaker 4: present all of those clubs. The time my wife had
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  Speaker 4: got to know him, she's very, very student, going okay,
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  Speaker 4: this this is special, this is unique, this is different.
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  Speaker 1: This is not positive.
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  Speaker 4: And then and then and then also seeing how he
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  Speaker 4: handled probably being OC with his dad, because a lot
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  Speaker 4: of times that could be you could see kids taking.
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  Speaker 1: Advantage of that role. Sure, and you could from afar.
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  Speaker 4: Tell how he he really navigated, like I'm gonna try
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  Speaker 4: to be the best offensive coordinator I can be. I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna try to help kids right, evolve, develop, get closer
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  Speaker 4: to being a young adult. Not necessarily you know what,
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  Speaker 4: I'm the OC. My dad's the head coach. So now
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be right this, I'm gonna be rate people,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be cocky whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: You can see how he navigated that far.
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  Speaker 4: So what it was an e because I, like I
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  Speaker 4: told him, the only thing I need you to do
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  Speaker 4: is dominate this if you come to LA. Number one
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  Speaker 4: is I don't want you to get in this to
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  Speaker 4: try to be a coach, Like I don't want you
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  Speaker 4: to come working scouting for a couple of years and
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  Speaker 4: then you go coach Like now we've wasted each other's time.
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  Speaker 4: And he promised me that wasn't what he want wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do. I said, okay, I said, we're going to LA.
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  Speaker 4: I've never relocated. I've never been in a part of a relocation.
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  Speaker 4: This is going to be hectic. All I need you
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  Speaker 4: really to do is make sure I have green tea
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  Speaker 4: from Starbucks, ice green tea when I needed And he dominated,
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  Speaker 4: like if anybody can dominate it, like I had so much.
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  Speaker 1: I had green tea at all times.
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  Speaker 4: The amount of green tea we probably emptied in the
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  Speaker 4: scene was probably But what's interesting about James is from
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  Speaker 4: that moment he had this sixth sense to really, really journal,
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  Speaker 4: maybe what we needed, not just myself, but maybe the department.
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  Speaker 4: And I always got you should have been a QB.
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  Speaker 4: And maybe he couldn't pass because he was a receiver,
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  Speaker 4: but he definitely could anticipate. He could read coverages, this
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  Speaker 4: is where the balls should go now, and he anticipated,
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  Speaker 4: so he anticipated getting green teas for myself, but then
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  Speaker 4: from their point forward, he anticipated all the way up
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  Speaker 4: to running basically our department, our draft.
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  Speaker 2: And how.
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  Speaker 3: What was maybe the first step where beyond the green tea,
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  Speaker 3: the first assignment where he went, Okay, this guy is
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  Speaker 3: going to be I.
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  Speaker 4: Think one thing is is let's call it navigating, let's
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  Speaker 4: call it the dynamics of the people in the building.
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  Speaker 4: And and and I remember I brought up the OC
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  Speaker 4: thing for a reason. There's a lot of times people
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  Speaker 4: will get let's call it if it's your chief of
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  Speaker 4: staff or your assistant, and there's there're gonna be your
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  Speaker 4: voice a lot of times across the building when you're
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  Speaker 4: not even there and you don't even know. And there's
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  Speaker 4: some that that maybe used that in a in a
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  Speaker 4: bullying way. And I remember everyone in the building coming
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  Speaker 4: to me and going that James is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: The way he.
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  Speaker 4: Communicates kind of that call it the dark matter, the
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  Speaker 4: things maybe we didn't meet on, but what you're really
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  Speaker 4: looking for to everyone in the building in those let's
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  Speaker 4: call it unscripted moments, uh, you know, non scheduled meeting moments.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember thinking, okay that if you can do that,
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  Speaker 4: if you're just says, that's the that's just how you operate,
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  Speaker 4: That's how you're coded.
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  Speaker 1: You're you're you.
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  Speaker 4: Got a chance in this business. Because you're in this business, right,
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  Speaker 4: you're always trying to bring people together for a common goal,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's whether it's an offensive defense and special teams,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's the offensive line coach and the let's call
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  Speaker 4: it the guys that are you know, designing the skill
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  Speaker 4: plays right, you gotta you gotta this. The protection has
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  Speaker 4: to be symbiotic with the run game. And so there's
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  Speaker 4: all those easier said than done.
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  Speaker 1: One of the hardest things you're getting. Hey, you want
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  Speaker 1: this wide receiver now to block or run a cheese.
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  Speaker 4: Route because he's getting clouded that day and he wants
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  Speaker 4: the ball. How did you how do you help that
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  Speaker 4: receiver go? You know what, you're clouded, bro, We're not
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  Speaker 4: getting the ball.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: But you're helping this other and that's in every department
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  Speaker 4: of the building.
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  Speaker 1: Games is really really good in that. And then and
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  Speaker 1: then I think the.
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  Speaker 4: Neat thing that you could see with James is too
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  Speaker 4: very organized, can communicate. He evolved to kind of organizing
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  Speaker 4: communicating right the department. But the ability to natural ability
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  Speaker 4: to be able to see the game and evaluate and.
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  Speaker 1: I call it football players. Right. We always say in
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  Speaker 1: our building, all things considered, not.
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  Speaker 4: Just evaluating let's call it athletic mom dad given traits,
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  Speaker 4: but being able to we'd like to saying it all
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  Speaker 4: things considered, right, does that player's capacity and will equal right,
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  Speaker 4: some version of power, usefulness, skill that's going to help
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  Speaker 4: the team.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of times it's it's you can do
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  Speaker 1: one or the other.
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  Speaker 4: You can really get the intangent, you can really get
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  Speaker 4: the let's call it the potential, but hey, we're beyond potential.
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  Speaker 4: In the NFL, there's not a lot of development period.
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  Speaker 4: It's like it's almost like we're were It's almost always
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  Speaker 4: say we're selecting, we're with this is special Forces, we're
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  Speaker 4: selecting here or not this isn't. Hey, let's hire you
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  Speaker 4: and develop you there's some you could but oh, by
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  Speaker 4: the way they're keeping score, how many people want to
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  Speaker 4: develop someone when they're keeping score like that? Just that
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  Speaker 4: it sounds good in April Living, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: So. James is really good at that.
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  Speaker 3: And the communication thing is fascinating to me because I've
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  Speaker 3: been doing this a while and I'm not sure I've
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  Speaker 3: come across the guy who communicates as well.
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  Speaker 4: Even our head coach communicates at an elite level. Sean
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  Speaker 4: will tell you, I'm not sure I want to follow
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  Speaker 4: James after he presents right he is. That's so I
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  Speaker 4: always say it was. It was definitely Sean and him
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  Speaker 4: in our building in terms of if I got up
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  Speaker 4: after James spoke, he would be like, Wow, this guy's
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  Speaker 4: got a d D.
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  Speaker 1: He's abstract. What is he saying?
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  Speaker 4: Y'all can even see this in this interview, But there
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  Speaker 4: he has that gift to be able to right communicate, connect,
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  Speaker 4: be concise, be clear, uh, be confident, all all the
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  Speaker 4: things I guess he could he could do.
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  Speaker 1: He could teach communication one on one.
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  Speaker 3: And you mentioned that, But how key is that for
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  Speaker 3: the job that he's about to do that kind of communication.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a very very important part of it, right,
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  Speaker 4: because you're gonna you're gonna communicate a vision. The other
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  Speaker 4: part of the job, as we know is right, you've
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  Speaker 4: got to be a part of helping engineer design processes
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  Speaker 4: to help everyone execute that vision.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: And this is the NFL.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: And then the execution of the vision is how we're
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: all basically let's call it judge graded, evaluated at the end.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: But James will be the two things I think communicate.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: The other part is a vision is not just one person.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: So I know this he learned with us. We're very collaborative,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: like how to we have to.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Collaborate in our building right to make this work.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I mean it's easy sometimes with Shaw needs our head
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: coach offensive coordinator, but there's also a defensive coordinator.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: It's also specialty. There's also athletic performance.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Right, all these things that are going on line, and
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: when your head coach calls the place too, that takes
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: that takes another person out of the process and can
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: be helpful. But I do think the the let's call
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: it the skill set to sit down and go.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Right, how do we really really collaborate for the greater week?
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Why was he ready?
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: He said?
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't have done it if you hadn't told him, Hey,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: it's you.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Just you just you just you get a sense that
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: I think even though he's young, maybe he even looks
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: young over the years, it was I always said James
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: had to be. Now he denies this. I'm like he
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: was probably that guy that was sixteen that we were
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: all like, okay, that guy, I mean, how does he
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: how does he the best receiver on the team and
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: he's also student government president and also solidatory and you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: you're kind of rolling your eyes like he was that guy?
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Like he Now he denies it and says he wasn't right.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: That guy wasn't He could have been. So a point
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: being is and you could see that even like I said,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: when he was the o C at.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: A young age, and it could easily be right. His
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: dad's the head coach and he's the offense.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, dad gave but I know the at that point
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: in time, the insistent superintendent of that school district, the
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: vision was James Gladstone would take over and be head
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: coach for Jean and that was their vision. That would
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: have been his. They really picked at that point and
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: it was not Oh Dad's.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Gonna give some the offense coordinator.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: It was really, we're gonna have dad for a couple
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: of years, and then James would probably still be at
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Clayton High School if they could have kept him today.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: So I think what I'm trying to say is take
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: the age out of it.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: The His ability to.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Be able to apply probably the experiences in wisdom from
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: others is definitely unique because I'm probably one that probably
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: needed to learn it myself, Like I could have read
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: the book, listen to y'all. For some reason, I was
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: too stubborn to apply it, and I needed to do
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: it my way and fail and then go, okay, they
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: were right where James is.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: James always had that ability at it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: So you when you so, there's a there's an intuition that, Okay,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: we're young, we're thirty four. We look I think I
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: told Baselli he he always wore his hat backwards and
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: he had this athletic where and I was. I remember
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: telling Tony he's gonna go interview. I don't know if
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I should tell him to wear that hat backwards. And
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: because he's just gonna come across as a little more
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: older something I said, man him without a hat.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Look, So that what uh? What will you missed most
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: that had been around you?
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: We Uh, we chatted every morning first thing. Uh right,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: it was almost a staff meeting. And and from that,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: because we had grown together.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: We were there was an element of friendship.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: So I'll missed I'll miss those moments, Uh, those chats
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: where we could chat about everything and like I could vent, right,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: I could. I could let him know when I was
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: having a bad day, when I needed to go put
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: on the costume, and he would know, right, my my vibe,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: my real vibe, and then then see, okay, that's not
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: the vibe I.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Just chatted with. He had to, he had to get
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: in the build.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: But I think it's it's those moments where we basically
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: communicated first thing every morning, whether it was a whether
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: it was a workday, or whether it was a Saturday
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: or Sunday, Sunday.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, he may be at the park with his
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: awesome daughter.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: When you get to know the family, they're special.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: You're just like, Wow, that's his wife's really really his
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: wife's I don't know if I can say badass on
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: a what people were doing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: She's a bad ass. For sure.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Uh final thought I'd be here miss if we didn't
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: actually have that. Liam Khane, he've been around and he thought,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: oh you know what, I know this.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: It's very very hard to do offensive football with Sean
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: McVeigh right, because he he's at a PhD level. Liam
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: came in our building probably one of his first NFL jobs.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: And here's the right, the ability of someone to communicate
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: with Sean, maybe even dissent, maybe even add an idea
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: like you find really quickly, Like.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: If you add an idea that's like one O three
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: level and he's PhD, he's going to let you know
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: that that's that's one O three and that's how you
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: you know, that's how you lose.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: In this league.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Where but you could see Liam, I've seen the and
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: we've had a lot of them come through. Liam hasn't
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: started the journey yet. Kevin O'Connell, some of those guys,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Zach Taylor, Matt Leford.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: That's been successful.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: They've been able to get in a meeting with Sean
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: and talk communicate football, add ideas right and not and
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: let's go add quality ideas, not ideas where Sean can
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: go Well, yeah, we did that four years ago.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Here's the reason it doesn't work anymore. But wait a minute,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: hadn't thought about that. So the.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Offensive coordinators who've been able to do that with Sean
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: and our building have gone on to have success, uh
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: in this league.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: So fantastic, Less, I could talk to you all day.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Thank you for doing this at the owners meeting. I
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: know it's busy. Thank you very much for doing before
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Dan Edwards, let me go.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Is Dan still there? Right?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: He's he retired what to okay three years ago?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: But I had worked for Dan or I'd worked with
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Dan with the Times Union and then when I came
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: back in twenty eleven.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, he helped come up with the ozone and it's you.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Know, what's Jacksonville? You Dan? Since no, Alissa Abbott's still there.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: We talked about heck Baselly.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: He even told me Todd phil Cox, it seems like
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: if you started with the Jags and somehow you stayed around,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: it's like you.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You're still there. It's guys, that's a probably a blessing
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you in the curse. Probably some roses and thorns, but
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: that is a pretty neat vibe. It's a good place.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Now we've got to sell you back there you go less,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: thank you very much, enjoyed,