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Chuck & Buck 12-19 Hour 3: MMQB with Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and Hugh Millin.
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Speaker 2: Here's Chuck and Buck.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Monday Morning Quarterback can happen on a Friday. It
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Speaker 3: happens a couple of times a year in which we
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Speaker 3: roll out Hugh Mellon Mike Homrian to break down the
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Speaker 3: latest Seahawks game the morning after the Seahawks game, and
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Speaker 3: it just so happens to coincide today with Football Friday
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Speaker 3: sponsored by Tito's handmade Vodka. So yeah, that happens a
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Speaker 3: couple of times per year. But what never has happened
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Speaker 3: in the history of Seahawks football is coming back from
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Speaker 3: a sixteen point fourth quarter deficit to win a game.
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Speaker 3: It happened last night, and it just so happened to
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Speaker 3: be the biggest game of the year. Seahawks thirty eight,
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Speaker 3: Rams thirty seven. Hugh Mellon joins us our QB one
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Speaker 3: here to break this thing down for the next couple
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Speaker 3: of hours. Have you ever seen anything like that?
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Speaker 2: Melon? It's one of the best games I've ever seen
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Speaker 2: in my life. It was one of the most improbable
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Speaker 2: wins I've seen for any team, let alone the Seahawks.
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Speaker 2: Would they say, I heard this morning one point three percent.
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Speaker 2: Somebody was saying three percent, but then now they've shaved
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Speaker 2: it down to one point three I don't know whatever
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Speaker 2: the metrics are. We know is very improbable. It was
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Speaker 2: just m It was, in my opinion, such a great win.
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Speaker 2: Because mcmike McDonald is in year two, he's trying to build.
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Speaker 2: You know, you can say you're bought in, and John
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Speaker 2: Schneider can target guys that are that have been predisposed
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Speaker 2: in their past to be buying guys and all of
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Speaker 2: that works, but you still have to put it out
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Speaker 2: there and for the team to you know, you're you're
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Speaker 2: constantly preaching the leadership of the team headed by Mike McDonald.
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Speaker 2: You're preaching like, hey, stay together, you know, they gotta
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Speaker 2: you know, wait till the you know, play till it's
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Speaker 2: the clock is double zero. You don't believe in each other,
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Speaker 2: and all of those those messages, they can now say,
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Speaker 2: look at this, you you just had one of the
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Speaker 2: most incredible wins, uh that anybody can remember in the NFL,
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Speaker 2: because you bleeked in that that that would happen, and
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Speaker 2: and you know, and most especially obviously the battered quarterback
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Speaker 2: that that he could come back. And so I think
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Speaker 2: it's just it speaks such volumes moving forward and so
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Speaker 2: good on them. It was just spectacular entertainment. Yeah, you
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Speaker 2: know what I love about it. What I love about
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Speaker 2: it is that it was not like you backed into it.
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Speaker 2: You took it in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 3: And sometimes these games usually it's a team that coughs
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Speaker 3: it up. But even though Sam Donald didn't play his
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Speaker 3: best game, he played, He played well when he had to.
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Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker did play his best game of the year.
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Speaker 3: Your receivers, your playmakers made huge plays down the stretch.
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Speaker 3: Your defense overcame its secondary getting injured and ravaged, and
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Speaker 3: stepped up and certainly flipped the switch. At one point
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Speaker 3: he had three State three and outs against the team
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Speaker 3: that had over five hundred yards of offense against you.
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Speaker 2: You really did.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't have much time to do it,
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Speaker 3: but you ended up taking that game in the fourth
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Speaker 3: quarter from the Los Angeles Rams and then winning it
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Speaker 3: in overtime. So where does the analysis begin for you?
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Speaker 3: When there are eighty eight pages worth of things that
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Speaker 3: we could discuss here this morning.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just so shocked at how the defense the
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Speaker 2: yards that they gave up, and there was I believe
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Speaker 2: fifty eight plays out of thirteen personnel with the three
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Speaker 2: tight ends, and Seattle handled that really well down at SOFI,
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Speaker 2: averaging two point seven yards per play. But they just
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Speaker 2: got carved up pretty bad last night. And so I
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Speaker 2: think it was so improbable to me, the over under
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Speaker 2: was that it was a forty two and a half,
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Speaker 2: you know, and so they would be that high scoring
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Speaker 2: a game, and you know, if you don't have the
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Speaker 2: punt return, it's unlikely you're going to win that game.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I think for Sam Darnold, I can't
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Speaker 2: stress how much courage he had to have, how much
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Speaker 2: metal because when he threw that second interception down by
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Speaker 2: the goal line, And if you can just try and
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Speaker 2: imagine for a second, I want you to really just
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Speaker 2: like almost close your eyes the back of your eye lids,
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Speaker 2: try and be Sam Darnold all the crap that you've
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Speaker 2: been getting. The Seattle Times writs to call him on
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Speaker 2: game day, you know, hey, can you come up and clutch?
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Speaker 2: And how many of his teammates are reading that? And
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Speaker 2: the networks are asking the question? And then you know,
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Speaker 2: and he's being keep being reminded of the four the
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Speaker 2: four interceptions, and you know he can't can't win a
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Speaker 2: big one. Well, you know what's crazy. A year ago,
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Speaker 2: the the min not Soda Vikings put him on their
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Speaker 2: shoulders in the locker, on their shoulders in the locker.
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Speaker 2: It's on YouTube, look it up. Because he had throw
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Speaker 2: them for like three hundred and seventy yards on a
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Speaker 2: game that was December twenty ninth to beat the Packers
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Speaker 2: at a very pivotal game. That was a week after
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Speaker 2: or a week or two after he beat the Seahawks. Well,
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Speaker 2: that was a pivotal game, and yet people want Nobody
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Speaker 2: wants to say you can win a pivotal game. The
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Speaker 2: Vikings put him on their shoulders in the It was
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Speaker 2: December twenty ninth, it was this September twenty ninth, It
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Speaker 2: was December twenty ninth, and so so now at this
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Speaker 2: point he throws two interceptions and everybody's looking at everybody's
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Speaker 2: booing him. His passer rating was a fifty one and
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Speaker 2: his expected point to average for the game was a
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Speaker 2: negative point four to nine. And to give that context,
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Speaker 2: the NFL starting quarterbacks, if you look it up, they
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Speaker 2: live in a world the best is point two four
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Speaker 2: per play. The worst is negative point two four. Got me,
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Speaker 2: that's the range that all thirty two quarterbacks. Darnold up
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Speaker 2: to that point was negative point four to nine, double
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Speaker 2: the worst. And somehow he has the guts to come
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Speaker 2: from that point on. He has one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 2: seven passer rating and a point ninety eight EPA. He
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Speaker 2: quadruples the highest. That's what he did. And to have
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Speaker 2: the guts and the courage to you know, just still
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Speaker 2: throwing the ball in the middle field throw. You know,
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Speaker 2: Jsn's just got this a little tiny window between the
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Speaker 2: hook two hook defenders. Well, I'm gonna still rip it
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Speaker 2: in there, the corner ut that he threw to uh
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Speaker 2: to uh Cooper Cup. Yeah. Right. In overtime, they started
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Speaker 2: with Jackson Smith and Jigba on the right side, and
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Speaker 2: he was in the backfield and they're running a little
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Speaker 2: choice and the Rams played a two deep, five under
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Speaker 2: zone defense. It would have been so easy for him,
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Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and jig but he read the coverage. Well,
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Speaker 2: I want you to take your left hand and spread
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Speaker 2: it out as as wide as he can. Spread your
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Speaker 2: left hand and look at the back of your hand.
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Speaker 2: Got me, yep, the hole between your thumb and your finger.
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Speaker 2: Can you put your that You see that space between
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Speaker 2: your your thumb and your index finger. Yes, that's where
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Speaker 2: Cooper or excuse me, that's where Jackson Smith and Jigba
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Speaker 2: just hold up right in there, nice tasty little hole
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Speaker 2: the corner. And you know what he did. He said,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go hunting. I got a chance to get
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Speaker 2: Cooper Cup over the top of the corner who, by
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Speaker 2: the way, had intercepted him back down fourteen Durrant Durant.
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Speaker 2: He but he said, I'm gonna throw it over Durant's
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Speaker 2: head into this little pocket over by the sideline, given
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Speaker 2: that he the interceptions he had had. What that that
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Speaker 2: statement about that play, Like, hey, he's telling his teammates
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Speaker 2: and by the way he throws that and and Jared
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Speaker 2: Verse had had come around on a on a stunt
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Speaker 2: that Anthony Bradford hadn't picked up, which didn't eminently shock me.
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Speaker 2: But but he's putting his helmet right in his collarbone
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Speaker 2: as he's throwing this thing. And I just I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think if you, if you you, you don't have
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Speaker 2: to be a guy that you know, a quarterback nerd
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Speaker 2: who just studies this stuff for fifty years. Just like,
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Speaker 2: think about what I'm describing to you. He is earning
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Speaker 2: the trust of his teammates by like, look, this dude
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Speaker 2: is going to battle for sixty minutes. He's not going
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Speaker 2: to go into a freaking hole. Man. That is hard
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Speaker 2: what he had to deal with after the hole he
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Speaker 2: dug himself in and everything that has been heaped on him.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought I was gutty as hell.
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Speaker 2: I was disappointed as a seattleite, you know, grew up,
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Speaker 2: you know, graduated from you know what, Seattle public schools
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Speaker 2: to hear him getting booed when the Seattle Seahawks are
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Speaker 2: the number two team in the Super Bowl odds in
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Speaker 2: year one for your quarterback, ye're young one in your
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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. We think we're great fans, Husky fans through
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Speaker 2: the years, Seahawk fans going back to the Kingdome. I
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Speaker 2: was embarrassed. I was embarrassed that the way the offense
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Speaker 2: was getting booed in the first half. Now at some
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Speaker 2: point after he threw his second interception. It's pro football.
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Speaker 2: You're making fifty something million, You're gonna get your ass booed.
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Speaker 2: I get that, but I thought I thought it was
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Speaker 2: way like like, seriously, yeah, we're not happy with where
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks aren't. We got a pretty damn good quarterback
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Speaker 2: and he sewed a lot of guts last night. That's
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Speaker 2: my take, one hundred percent.
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Speaker 4: I mean I heard that there was people that actually
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Speaker 4: left at that moment when they're that second interception, and yeah,
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Speaker 4: and that happened. Yeah you're lucky, you're not on Twitter
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Speaker 4: because there was a whole bunch of people burying him
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Speaker 4: and saying they wanted Tua to come in next year
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Speaker 4: to a time.
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Speaker 2: That's the minority. I'm sure it is. What what do
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Speaker 2: I wish Pat Mahomes was the quarterbacks? Sure? Well, depending
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Speaker 2: on how you want me an answer, of course, yeah,
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Speaker 2: But he's the dude here the rams let's say things, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, kind of wobble and its ends up being
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Speaker 2: a disappointment disappointing finish you're still going to have on
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl Sunday. Matthew Stafford's going to be thirty eight
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Speaker 2: years old and Sam Darn's going to be twenty eight
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Speaker 2: years old. The Seahawks are the second youngest team. They've
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Speaker 2: gotten a new like, like, do we not know that
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Speaker 2: offense takes more cohesion than defense? Have we not learned that? Like,
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Speaker 2: you're in year one with your quarterback and and this
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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator the idea, I mean, you're ahead of the curve.
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Speaker 2: You're ahead of the curve. Why the hell are you booing?
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Speaker 2: I mean, do you want the sea Us to win?
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Speaker 2: Or do you think it doesn't matter that that to
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Speaker 2: create that kind of energy? I don't know. I didn't.
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Speaker 2: I had no plan to go off on the booing
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Speaker 2: because it was such a wonderful, spectacular game, and I
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Speaker 2: think by and large, you know, the crowd was there,
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Speaker 2: so I'll veer off of that lane. But I think
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Speaker 2: I found myself just defending Darnold, and I hope we
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Speaker 2: can appreciate it took a lot of guts. I've always
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Speaker 2: said the greatest game a quarterback has ever played is
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Speaker 2: Tom Brady in the Super Bowl against the Falcons. Not
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Speaker 2: because he was great for four quarters and into the overtime.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't. He wasn't good in the first half. He
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Speaker 2: had an eighty six yard pick six right, and and
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that weren't going well. That's
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Speaker 2: why they got down twenty five points. What made it
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Speaker 2: the greatest game is that he battled back from that
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Speaker 2: hole to do everything that he did. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: you know, so he had two two interceptions yesterday. Pat
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Speaker 2: Mahomes has has a Super Bowl where he had two
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Speaker 2: touchdowns and two interceptions, and he won that Super Bowl
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Speaker 2: and scored thirty like the same number of points as
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Speaker 2: as Darnold did. Matthew Stafford in his Super Bowl he
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Speaker 2: had two interceptions one of the most pivotal plays in
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Speaker 2: the history of the NFL. Anybody heard of the Dwight
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Speaker 2: Clark and the catch Joe Montana when he put his
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Speaker 2: hands under center before that play. He had two touchdowns
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Speaker 2: and three interceptions in that game. Like it, like, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter when you play, when you make the plays
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Speaker 2: at the end, that that's what matters. And Sam Donald
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Speaker 2: made the plays to win the game. And he is
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Speaker 2: for the last thirty nine starts, he has won seventy
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Speaker 2: eight percent of his games. Like, how many starts do
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Speaker 2: we need to say? Where you say this guy's pretty good?
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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Yeah, oh, I'm with you one hundred percent.
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Speaker 4: I Mean, the true measure of a great athlete, in
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Speaker 4: my opinion, is how they rebound from failure. Way more
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Speaker 4: than just oh wow, remember that awesome five touchdown game
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Speaker 4: he had.
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Speaker 2: Okay, great, Yeah, you know that's great.
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Speaker 4: It's what do you do when when it looks like
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Speaker 4: things aren't going your way to you cower and wither
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Speaker 4: and wilt or do you rise to the occasion?
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Speaker 2: He did for sure.
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Speaker 4: Now, I mean the flip side of this, not the
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Speaker 4: flip side, but just kind of quick kind of touching
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Speaker 4: on the other side of the ball essentially, I mean
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Speaker 4: the Rams were moving the ball, I mean scored on
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Speaker 4: six straight possessions after they turned over on downs their
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Speaker 4: first possession, and yet that punt return and then the
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Speaker 4: defense turning up the intensity a little bit, I mean
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Speaker 4: turned into basically four punts out of the next five
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Speaker 4: possessions and a missfield goal in there. How big of
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Speaker 4: a deal is that to then kind of maybe give
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Speaker 4: a little boost to Sam Darnell on the offense that hey,
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Speaker 4: we're gonna do our part and hold these guys to nothing.
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Speaker 2: You guys come back and do your part. Uh. It's
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Speaker 2: huge and that and that's I think where Mike McDonald
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Speaker 2: is is is just preaching, Hey, you know, you just
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Speaker 2: got to keep playing complimentary football. Believe in the other
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Speaker 2: side of the ball. That's what's unique about football. You know,
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Speaker 2: Baseball the offensive guys are the defensive guys. Basketball, the
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Speaker 2: offensive guys are the defensive guys. Football is you know, soccer.
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Speaker 2: I guess I've never watched soccer, but I you know,
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Speaker 2: I common sense would tell me the offensive guys are
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Speaker 2: the defensive guys. But in football, you have to you
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Speaker 2: have to preach, you know, the buy and hey have
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Speaker 2: faith in in this and and and you know the
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Speaker 2: special teams. It wasn't just the punt return. You had
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Speaker 2: uh and and by the way, a great scheming you
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Speaker 2: had Cody White and and uh twenty eight I know
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Speaker 2: he's a backup corner. Helped me. Uh chuck. They played
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Speaker 2: like two safeties back Britchett, yeah, Pritchett yeah, And so
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Speaker 2: they if you just look at the the tape, it
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Speaker 2: looks like a cover two defense in normal football. But
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Speaker 2: those two safeties were back to help the gunners. And
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Speaker 2: and so you got a great block by Pritchett out
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Speaker 2: on the edge along with I think it was Okada
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Speaker 2: and fifty two at the best block O'Connell. And uh
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Speaker 2: but anyway, and just an electric, electrifying return right like
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Speaker 2: he sprinted out to the left and then he saw
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Speaker 2: it like the BMW commercially saw this hole, and he
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Speaker 2: just had this heat to just like boom, hit that
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Speaker 2: and and break down everybody's angles in pursuit. So uh
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Speaker 2: rashid sha heat. I mean, I mean at this juncture,
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Speaker 2: I had been worried that in April we'd say, oh man,
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Speaker 2: I wish we had that fourth and fifth round pick. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know, he's really been contributed, and you know, maybe
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Speaker 2: that acquisition winsy of the NFC West because of that return.
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Speaker 2: But also we were talking about a week ago the
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Speaker 2: field position coming off of kickoffs the Seahawks the Rams,
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Speaker 2: based on presumably Shaheed and his juice. Do you notice
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Speaker 2: the Rams kickers on the kickoff kicked it into the
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Speaker 2: end zone every single time? Yes, and for a touchback,
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Speaker 2: like they didn't even try. It wasn't like, oh I mishit,
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Speaker 2: you know, like I grabbed one to along of a
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Speaker 2: club and I barely know. They were trying to hammer
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Speaker 2: that thing through the end zone on every single kickoff,
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Speaker 2: giving Seattle the ball off the thirty five. So the
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Speaker 2: average start for Seattle was thirty the thirty four, you know,
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Speaker 2: and the average start for the Rams was the twenty
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Speaker 2: seven on all their drive starts. You know, so that's
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Speaker 2: seven yards, but multiply that by four team drives and
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Speaker 2: you know you're you're talking nearly one hundred yards of difference.
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Speaker 2: And you know, in field position, so so receives heeds
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Speaker 2: element there showed up and and in the prior game,
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Speaker 2: I'd made a bigger deal because I was like whoa,
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Speaker 2: Seattle's number one in E p A and special teams
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Speaker 2: and the Rams are dead last thirty two. This is
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Speaker 2: the game going down and so far I said, that's
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Speaker 2: got to play out for the game. Well, guess what
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Speaker 2: their Their punter drops it into the six inch line
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Speaker 2: in the most pivotal punt of the of the season. Right,
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Speaker 2: So it did not manifest in that game, but it
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Speaker 2: did last night. The Special team's advantage was was you know,
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Speaker 2: for the reasons I'm citing and in that punp return,
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Speaker 2: you know, huge part of it. That's again the buying
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Speaker 2: for a young team.
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Speaker 3: Totally changed the game, totally changed the momentum. And then
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Speaker 3: the thirty one yard run by Shaheed as well, it's
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Speaker 3: like he was solely responsible for, like, let's change the
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Speaker 3: momentum of this thing. And then everybody seemed to buy
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Speaker 3: in after that. Donald got hot, defense got hot. Everything
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Speaker 3: clicked after that and you end up winning the game.
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Speaker 3: Washington Center for Sleep. Hugh Millan is with us. I'm
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Speaker 3: sure we're going to get into the two point tries
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Speaker 3: coming up before the end of the hour. Also, I'm
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Speaker 3: sure there's a lot more about Sam Darnold and some
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Speaker 3: of the throws that he made that he wants to
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Speaker 3: dive into. So we'll we'll gab about that next on
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Speaker 3: Chucking Box Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. But
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Speaker 3: it is also a Monday morning quarterback Friday. Hugh Millan
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Speaker 3: is with us talking about that incredible thirty eight thirty
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Speaker 3: seven went over the Rams in overtime last night to
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Speaker 3: seize control of the NFC West and the number one
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Speaker 3: seed throughout the NFC playoffs, And so, Hugh, I mean,
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Speaker 3: we don't have enough time to discuss everything that went on,
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Speaker 3: but I certainly want to talk about these two point
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Speaker 3: conversions that played a huge role in the victory last night.
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Speaker 3: Let's start at the end of the game. Start at
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Speaker 3: the very end of the game. Here you are, you're
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Speaker 3: going on the line of scrimmage, You've decided to.
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Speaker 2: Go for two.
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Speaker 3: You've got to call up the best play that you
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Speaker 3: have in your playbook. If you're Clint Kubiak in this situation,
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Speaker 3: what did you think of the play call? And who
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Speaker 3: is responsible? Who was most responsible for the successful execution.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Rams zoned it up and they're trying to
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Speaker 2: get Jackson Smith and Jigba on the right that you
19:30
Speaker 2: had a trip's formation. They're trying to get Jackson Smith
19:33
Speaker 2: and jig but deep in the back of the end
19:36
Speaker 2: zone going right to left, but it's covered by the
19:39
Speaker 2: safety Cooper Cup is in the flat at the front
19:43
Speaker 2: of the end zone to the right. He's covered barner
19:47
Speaker 2: over the middle right kind of an OTB right over
19:51
Speaker 2: the ball is double covers. There's no chance for him.
19:56
Speaker 2: I would just say, if there was a play that
20:00
Speaker 2: you obviously needed great protection, the Rams rush just for
20:05
Speaker 2: and you know Josh Jones is out there one on
20:08
Speaker 2: one in there's there's a photo or a freeze frame
20:13
Speaker 2: that I have. I'm actually staring at it right now
20:16
Speaker 2: where Josh Jones you could draw a line between verse
20:22
Speaker 2: and Donald and Josh Jones is right center cut right
20:27
Speaker 2: in the middle. Beautiful protection. So Donald had a chance
20:31
Speaker 2: to scan. Now here's the thing. He had Sharbonne on
20:35
Speaker 2: the swing. Okay, so he had a trips combination from
20:38
Speaker 2: his right. That bunch, as I've already described, his outlets
20:42
Speaker 2: are twofold. You had Scharbonne who had a check swing.
20:46
Speaker 2: He checks to see if there's a blitzer. If it
20:48
Speaker 2: doesn't come, he swings to the left. And then you
20:51
Speaker 2: had sar uh uh sarber uh. He he was a
20:56
Speaker 2: tight end, a line on the left, block, block block,
21:00
Speaker 2: then check over the middle of the ball. There are
21:03
Speaker 2: some quarterbacks who would have gone through and thrown the
21:07
Speaker 2: swing pass and it would have been caught about the
21:11
Speaker 2: five or six, and Charbonnet would have had to make
21:15
Speaker 2: probably two guys miss. I think there are chance of
21:18
Speaker 2: that happening. Would have been one in twenty and so,
21:24
Speaker 2: and you'd look and you say, that's all there was.
21:26
Speaker 2: But it was Darnold who said, nope, that outlet. The
21:30
Speaker 2: better outlet is to wait for my tight end over
21:32
Speaker 2: the middle. So I don't know if i've described it.
21:35
Speaker 2: The components. The components are this great protection and then
21:41
Speaker 2: your trips concept are all gloved to your right. Now
21:46
Speaker 2: what do you do with the outlets? You got two outlets.
21:48
Speaker 2: You got to make the right decision. He made the
21:50
Speaker 2: right decision. Yeah, that then that's real quick. Go over
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Speaker 2: into the controversial one.
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Speaker 4: I suppose I don't know what they're going to call it,
21:59
Speaker 4: and I think they called it the Zachward pass last
22:01
Speaker 4: night on the broadcast. I did see somebody on Twitter
22:04
Speaker 4: called it the hot to. Uh possibly that could be
22:08
Speaker 4: a good one, but that one, did you know that
22:11
Speaker 4: was going to be a fumble? The backward pass turned
22:13
Speaker 4: into a fumble? And was it the right call in
22:15
Speaker 4: your opinion?
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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know at the time. I would have
22:19
Speaker 2: been kind of like Charbonna, Well, let's you know, ball's
22:23
Speaker 2: only three ft away from me, I might as well
22:25
Speaker 2: go pick it up. You know, there was no like
22:27
Speaker 2: hustle or urgency here or awareness that he exhibited, not
22:31
Speaker 2: that I could see. I think it was just, you know,
22:34
Speaker 2: I could use several adjectives to describe that play improbable, very,
22:41
Speaker 2: you know, rare, but one I would not use as controversial.
22:47
Speaker 2: I don't understand where the controversy is. Yeah, it's it's
22:50
Speaker 2: unquestionably a lateral right, there's no there's no doubt that.
22:55
Speaker 2: And and you know, every football player knows that incomplete
22:59
Speaker 2: passes are dead and laterals are live. And if you
23:02
Speaker 2: if you don't know that, and then then you should have.
23:05
Speaker 2: And and there's a lot of guys, including saying Sarbonne,
23:09
Speaker 2: you know, It's like it's like the Patriot knew Tom
23:12
Speaker 2: Brady was gonna be great. The hell they did. They
23:14
Speaker 2: wouldn't have waited for the sixth round. Don't tell me
23:16
Speaker 2: Sarbonne knew what he was doing, because he would have
23:20
Speaker 2: exhibited a different urgency. That was just lucky. So that'll
23:23
Speaker 2: be another adjective I'd be willing to used. But I
23:25
Speaker 2: somebody please tell me where there's a controversy.
23:29
Speaker 4: Some are saying because of the whistle being blown, but
23:32
Speaker 4: they said that it didn't blow it. Did you could there? Well,
23:35
Speaker 4: I mean you can see clips online. I don't know
23:37
Speaker 4: if somebody's doctoring it to put it in there. But
23:39
Speaker 4: then Terry McCauley comes out and says, it doesn't matter.
23:41
Speaker 4: The whistle doesn't actually in the play, although I thought
23:45
Speaker 4: it did. I thought that you see most people stop
23:47
Speaker 4: playing once they I stand corrected. Well, if a whistle
23:50
Speaker 4: would would definitely introduce controversy. Okay, yeah, I didn't know.
23:55
Speaker 4: I thought that I had heard that they said on
23:58
Speaker 4: the broadcast that there wasn't a whistle. But and you
24:00
Speaker 4: if you just see online, people are like, well, no,
24:02
Speaker 4: you listen. You can hear this four second mark of
24:04
Speaker 4: this clip that there was a whistle in who.
24:06
Speaker 2: Knows mcveig contending there was a whistle.
24:09
Speaker 4: Not yet today he was just acting confused about it
24:12
Speaker 4: yesterday in the press conference.
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Speaker 2: Didn't under there's a whistle, then there's a controversy If
24:15
Speaker 2: there's not a whistle, I don't think. So that's just
24:17
Speaker 2: you know, like, hey, play it, you got you gotta
24:21
Speaker 2: assume you know there's there's no there's not one player
24:25
Speaker 2: out there that is confused about the lead. The rule
24:28
Speaker 2: that a that a lateral is live.
24:32
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, and also Terry McAuley said, the whistle
24:35
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. The rule is that you still play out
24:38
Speaker 3: the play. I can get why somebody would be confused
24:42
Speaker 3: because they don't understand the rule, but from a rule standpoint,
24:46
Speaker 3: they got the call right.
24:48
Speaker 2: And I'm you know, I.
24:49
Speaker 3: Thought Ernest Jones intercepted a pass, but we would not
24:52
Speaker 3: have to watch Pooka Nakua score another touchdown. But Terry
24:56
Speaker 3: McCauley was all over that as well, even though it
24:58
Speaker 3: looked like an interception to me by today's modern standards.
25:01
Speaker 3: I want to ask you this in our last couple
25:03
Speaker 3: of minutes of this segment, since we're talking about quarterbacks
25:06
Speaker 3: I gotta. I mean, I've seen Magic Johnson make no
25:11
Speaker 3: look passes. I could make those myself when I played basketball.
25:14
Speaker 3: It's pretty tricky that way. I also have watched Fernando
25:18
Speaker 3: of Alanzuela's stare at the sky before he threw toward
25:21
Speaker 3: the catcher throughout his entire career. So I've seen baseball
25:25
Speaker 3: pitchers throw no look throws to home plate for perfect strikes.
25:29
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever seen a football quarterback throw
25:33
Speaker 3: no look passes until Matt Stafford's done it, and now
25:36
Speaker 3: he does.
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Speaker 2: It all the time. How incredible is it to see
25:39
Speaker 2: him do that to you? I think Mahomes, you know,
25:43
Speaker 2: has been given. Yeah, there's a famous one that he
25:45
Speaker 2: had on an over route. True, I would just say this,
25:51
Speaker 2: of all the I got three plays. If you said,
25:54
Speaker 2: what's the most impressive pass I've ever seen in the
25:56
Speaker 2: in all the Super Bowls, three come to mind. Matt
25:59
Speaker 2: Mario Eli Manning to Manningham up the left sideline late
26:03
Speaker 2: in the game and a whole shot, unbelievable throw. You know,
26:08
Speaker 2: It's like you give me a box of titleists, I
26:09
Speaker 2: can splash out of a of a bunker. Eventually, I
26:12
Speaker 2: think I could make that throw even enough shot times. Okay,
26:16
Speaker 2: there was the you'll have to help me out, guys,
26:20
Speaker 2: chuck when Roethlisberger hit the Antonio Holmes on the back.
26:25
Speaker 2: You know that like like stretched arms that you know
26:29
Speaker 2: you you give me enough shots, I can I can
26:32
Speaker 2: make that completion. The one that that that Matthew Stafford
26:38
Speaker 2: had in the Super Bowl, the in route with the
26:42
Speaker 2: game on the line, a deep dagger route in zone
26:47
Speaker 2: coverage where he no looks and and he and the
26:52
Speaker 2: defender only misses it by like six inches. If he
26:55
Speaker 2: had a ping pong paddle league, well, he could have
26:57
Speaker 2: knocked it down and or knocked it up in the
27:00
Speaker 2: aaron have been an interception. It was you. You couldn't
27:03
Speaker 2: get me to try that in a in a practice,
27:06
Speaker 2: let alone a preseason game, let alone in a in
27:10
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter of a super Bowl. And and so
27:13
Speaker 2: my answer that I would submit is the most impressive
27:15
Speaker 2: pass I've ever seen in my life in a Super
27:17
Speaker 2: Bowl that you know for you know you value what
27:20
Speaker 2: you want to value. I'm fanning how I want a
27:22
Speaker 2: fan For me as a fan, that's the most incredible
27:26
Speaker 2: pass I've ever seen in a Super Bowl. And you're right,
27:28
Speaker 2: he does it. That the I I inadvertently started swearing
27:33
Speaker 2: this morning when I saw that RPO that he hit
27:36
Speaker 2: on the slant, you know, on the little uh uh
27:39
Speaker 2: was that that little touchdown pass that he had to Puka?
27:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm looking at right now.
27:45
Speaker 2: I when I froze that, I'm like, how in the
27:48
Speaker 2: hell do you get that? How does any quarterback get
27:51
Speaker 2: the ball into that window? And when you look when
27:53
Speaker 2: he threw it, how anticipatory he was and he's not
27:56
Speaker 2: looking And I started just all of a sudden after
28:00
Speaker 2: six seconds. I've been swearing for the last six seconds. Yeah,
28:03
Speaker 2: like in subconts in I don't know that guy's something
28:08
Speaker 2: and that's one of the reasons he's ripping their ass
28:10
Speaker 2: down the middle of the field.
28:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah. That was complete turnaround for him. All right,
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Speaker 3: So more with you on the other side. Monday morning,
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Speaker 3: quarterback rolls on. Coach ol'm ren will join us at
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Speaker 3: nine o'clock. So many topics to discuss, so we'll continue
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Speaker 2: Formation takes a hand off to him design boot to
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Speaker 2: his left, Donald flinging back across his body into the unzone,
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Speaker 2: gonna touchdown.
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Speaker 3: Donald the funny in his time in a J corner.
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Speaker 3: Let a play on the twenty six yard touchdown pass
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Speaker 3: from Sammy d.
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Speaker 2: To AJ Great Scot.
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Speaker 3: It's Chuck Powell, Bucky Jacobson, Ashley Ryan, Monday Morning Quarterback.
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Speaker 2: That sound from west Wood one last night.
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Speaker 3: The call the AJ Barner touchdown pass part of the
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Speaker 3: comeback effort by the Seahawks to win in overtime thirty
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Speaker 3: eight thirty seven over the Rams. Mike Holmern will join
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Speaker 3: us here in a matter of moments, but more with
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Speaker 3: Hugh mellon ur QB one. And there's a lot still
29:13
Speaker 3: to get to from this game that we haven't even
29:15
Speaker 3: touched upon.
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Speaker 2: Chuck, Yeah, on that one, that Barner touchdown that was
29:21
Speaker 2: after that, That was the play right after the reverse,
29:24
Speaker 2: really really well designed by Clint Kobiak. And then that
29:28
Speaker 2: play aggressive obviously, but boot left the quarterback action going
29:32
Speaker 2: to the left, that really influences the secondary. And so
29:37
Speaker 2: when Barner starts to break out to the corner because
29:41
Speaker 2: the quarterback is on the move to the left, that's
29:44
Speaker 2: it's just naturally you say, well, he must be doing
29:46
Speaker 2: an outbreaking route because the quarterback's on the move out
29:48
Speaker 2: to the left, then he breaks it back across the face.
29:50
Speaker 2: He's set up and throw really well designed and back
29:53
Speaker 2: to back, great, great place in the fourth quarter to
29:55
Speaker 2: get him back in.
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Speaker 3: It a better catch than what you might realize because
29:58
Speaker 3: he had a kind of go extended with that as well.
30:02
Speaker 2: It slowed down though he created the probka. That was
30:06
Speaker 2: a Lenny Dykster in the gap, you know, leap for
30:09
Speaker 2: Mikes Sports Center, you know, top of dude. Yeah, Mike
30:13
Speaker 2: Cameron would have just like gracefully galloped over and made
30:16
Speaker 2: it look routine. Yeah. The J and AJ.
30:19
Speaker 3: Stands for Jim Edmonds, all right, Well, yeah, I mean
30:23
Speaker 3: that was a terrific play. And like I said, like
30:26
Speaker 3: I said before, I mean, this wasn't just the Rams
30:28
Speaker 3: falling apart plays like that. You know, the Seahawks took
30:32
Speaker 3: from them those big chunks of lead that they had
30:35
Speaker 3: built there.
30:35
Speaker 2: In the fourth quarter.
30:36
Speaker 3: But I do want to discuss I mean, I just
30:39
Speaker 3: didn't think that Mike McDonald's defense at this stage in
30:42
Speaker 3: the season was going to be prone to one of
30:46
Speaker 3: the best wide receivers in the National Football League. Spending
30:49
Speaker 3: an entire evening wide open last night, and I don't
30:53
Speaker 3: know who to credit, so I ask you, I mean,
30:55
Speaker 3: is that a Stafford thing? Is that Nikua being just
30:57
Speaker 3: that good? Is that mcvay's play design. How was Pooka
31:00
Speaker 3: Nikula just running wide open all night long last night?
31:04
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that a good coach should ever
31:07
Speaker 2: allow a guy two hundred twenty five yards, particularly when
31:09
Speaker 2: you consider DeVante Adams. You know, he came in with
31:12
Speaker 2: sixty catches nicoua one hundred and two. The next closest
31:15
Speaker 2: guy was seventeen for wide receivers, and I think thirty
31:18
Speaker 2: eight for a tight end. So the idea that you
31:22
Speaker 2: can't deny free access, you know, I mean if you
31:28
Speaker 2: take the five regions of the field that has broken
31:31
Speaker 2: down sidelines to numbers, numbers to hash in between the numbers,
31:36
Speaker 2: so one, two, three, four or five that he caught
31:39
Speaker 2: at least two and no more than three, and all
31:41
Speaker 2: of them he spaced it out from the slot from
31:44
Speaker 2: the outside. And you know, the play that bothered me.
31:46
Speaker 2: I know we're up against it, but the play that
31:48
Speaker 2: bothered me the most out of it was they have
31:52
Speaker 2: a blitz of Nicula was lined up on the slot
31:55
Speaker 2: on the right and they blitz off the right side.
31:58
Speaker 2: They allow free acts, says to Nicoua, meaning nobody's jamming
32:03
Speaker 2: him and he's working only on a safety on the
32:06
Speaker 2: other side, on a mirrored formation on the other side,
32:09
Speaker 2: the tight end in that slot. You had Emon Worry
32:12
Speaker 2: jamming him at the line and a safety behind it
32:15
Speaker 2: and Ernest Jones shading to that side. It's like they
32:19
Speaker 2: forgot the numbers. No jam Nicoua, Emon war you know,
32:23
Speaker 2: get in an alignment where Emon Warre's you know, redirecting Pooka,
32:28
Speaker 2: let Ernest Jones, you know, slide to that side and
32:32
Speaker 2: and kind of in essence almost triple team that guy,
32:35
Speaker 2: not the tight end in the slot. So there's other breakdowns,
32:40
Speaker 2: but he's spectacular. They have a great chemistry. I just
32:44
Speaker 2: think that there's a lot of schematic pro things that
32:46
Speaker 2: that Mike McDonald could have been should have done.
32:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, well he was open on something, there was others
32:52
Speaker 4: where he was covered, and he just is somehow just
32:54
Speaker 4: snipers and he's pretty good at point of contention. Yeah,
32:57
Speaker 4: I mean on the flip side of a Jackson Smith
33:00
Speaker 4: held catch lists the first half and yet it finishes
33:03
Speaker 4: with eight and ninety six. Did they do something schematically
33:06
Speaker 4: different or did they just have the ball more.
33:08
Speaker 2: They didn't have the ballhole heck of a lot in
33:10
Speaker 2: the first half. Yeah, they didn't have it a lot.
33:13
Speaker 2: I think they loosened up once the Rams got the lead,
33:16
Speaker 2: they kind of loosened up. And then sometimes it's hard
33:18
Speaker 2: to get back into motion or into it in that regard.
33:23
Speaker 2: But I think Darnold got more aggressive. I mean the
33:26
Speaker 2: last the touchdown pass in overtime, that was a great
33:33
Speaker 2: piece of quarterbacking because he had a cup as an
33:38
Speaker 2: outbreaking route to his right and there's nothing there. And
33:43
Speaker 2: when he comes back the Seahawks, you had had Rashichi
33:47
Speaker 2: heat motion and he was running a shallow kind of
33:51
Speaker 2: a shallow crossing route, and you had in Jigba on
33:54
Speaker 2: the back line, but they were stacked on top of
33:57
Speaker 2: one another. The spacing was not ideal. You'd want, you could,
34:01
Speaker 2: you don't want. You don't want the underneath guy directly underneath.
34:04
Speaker 2: You want to be a little bit of a diagonal relationship.
34:08
Speaker 2: And so for Darnold, if you notice how quickly he
34:11
Speaker 2: ripped that, that's again a testament to even though he's
34:14
Speaker 2: thrown two incompletions, he's not he's not going to puck
34:17
Speaker 2: her up. Actually, two interceptions in the game brutal and
34:20
Speaker 2: we haven't got to that. I know we will before
34:22
Speaker 2: the ten o'clock. But he didn't puck her up. He
34:26
Speaker 2: was still willing to, you know, you know, try and
34:29
Speaker 2: put a sword through the neck of the Rams defense.
34:33
Speaker 2: And so at any event, and of course in Jigba
34:37
Speaker 2: beautiful job of working the back of the end zone,
34:39
Speaker 2: getting his feet down, by the way. Scary thing to consider.
34:43
Speaker 3: I've heard, and I don't know, I can't make I
34:45
Speaker 3: don't know if this is fact, but I've heard it
34:47
Speaker 3: said that on draft Day twenty twenty three, fifth round,
34:52
Speaker 3: there was a big heated argument between John Schneider and
34:55
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll wanted to get a center and
34:58
Speaker 3: John Schneider wanted somebody named Puka Nakua Uh and the
35:02
Speaker 3: Seahawks ended up drafting ol Timmy Uh instead. And apparently
35:07
Speaker 3: it's still chaps John's ass to this day.
35:09
Speaker 2: So I've heard that.
35:11
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not stating in his fact, but I
35:13
Speaker 3: have heard that that that was something that happened behind
35:17
Speaker 3: you mat behind the.
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Speaker 2: Curt Could you imagine Naka on the same way so husky.
35:22
Speaker 2: He could have been with Doomsay. Yeah uh so so
35:27
Speaker 2: No I had not heard that, but yeah, that that
35:30
Speaker 2: would shafe my ass if if that happened. He watched
35:33
Speaker 2: this guy, particularly in the division, just unstoppable. He's so strong,
35:38
Speaker 2: he's so you know, but quick, fast enough. Wow, he's
35:42
Speaker 2: got the whole package. All right.
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Speaker 3: Uh, he will continue with us, so much more to discuss,
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Speaker 3: so Mike Holgeran joins the conversation. Next, that's Chuck and
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