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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 9-10-26 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: All right, let's head out to the Ramos Law Hotline.
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  Speaker 1: JeffLegwald at ESPN.com. Joins us every single Thursday at 9 o'clock. Hello, Leggy.
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  Speaker 2: Morning, fellas.
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  Speaker 1: So, Leggy, last night, it's something that in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 1: Drake May throwing three picks, including that one to close
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  Speaker 1: out the game. Pretty crazy. Is that something you could
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  Speaker 1: ever see Bo Nix doing?
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  Speaker 2: Not three like that. That last one... is unbelievable decision.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're, you're in the red zone. You're going to,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to tie the game at minimum. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. That's just a total vapor lock and have
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  Speaker 2: a hard time believing he would have thrown, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if he had thrown, if Nick's had thrown two, I
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  Speaker 2: think there would be a very heated view on the
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  Speaker 2: sideline after the second one.
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  Speaker 3: On the other side of the ball, Drew Locke, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't tear it up, but he won the game.
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  Speaker 3: I was impressed.
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  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on Drew? Did you think that
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  Speaker 4: this is what he would become? He's pretty comfortable playing
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  Speaker 4: that backup role in Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's probably not what any quarterback wants
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  Speaker 2: in his career, but it's a good living if you
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  Speaker 2: become that reliable guy who, you know, shows up every
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  Speaker 2: day and helps the starter and knows the offense without
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  Speaker 2: a lot of practice reps. You know, it's funny because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, having seen him here and having reviewed him
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  Speaker 2: before his draft pretty heavily, you saw a lot more
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  Speaker 2: mature player, as you would expect this many years into
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  Speaker 2: his career now. But he had a lot of completions
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  Speaker 2: he wouldn't have taken in his time as a starter here.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's the difference. You know, quarterbacks don't
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  Speaker 2: always want to hear it, especially young ones. But it
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  Speaker 2: always resonates in my head when I've had guys like
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  Speaker 2: Elway and Manning just say over and over, you got
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  Speaker 2: to learn when to just take the completion. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what he did last night. He came in and he
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  Speaker 2: just took the completions that were available and they were
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  Speaker 2: able to put together enough offense to win the game.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Jeff, we talked the other day about Baker Mayfield's
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  Speaker 5: new deal at $ 165 total and $ 55 per. Is it
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  Speaker 5: a foregone conclusion today that Bo Nix will get paid
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  Speaker 5: that big-time contract, or is there any doubt whatsoever?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you can always, you can never
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  Speaker 2: say anything's a given, 100% given. I mean, if he
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  Speaker 2: suffered some kind of, you know, injury of some sort
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  Speaker 2: that would impact this throwing or whatever. That's always going
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  Speaker 2: to be a consideration, but, and performance, you know, always matters.
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  Speaker 2: But that, what that tells you is where the, where
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  Speaker 2: the price tag is right now for, for quarterbacks. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, where, where do you put Mayfield
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  Speaker 2: in your quarterback tier in the league right now? And,
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  Speaker 2: and look what he's getting paid. I mean, that's, going
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  Speaker 2: to be the cost of doing business and if people
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  Speaker 2: don't think that contract's going to influence what this roster
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  Speaker 2: looks like i think you're sadly mistaken and that's why
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  Speaker 2: this year is very important to get done whatever they
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  Speaker 2: want to get done because uh they're running out of
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  Speaker 2: time on rooks on nicks's rookie contract to to build
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  Speaker 2: the roster the way they.
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  Speaker 1: Have Jeff Legwood with us all conversations with leg. You're
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  Speaker 1: IBEW local 68 start with a job and with a career, um, leggy,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be the last time we talked
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  Speaker 1: to you before the game is played. So it's nice
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  Speaker 1: that we have a game coming up, but what info
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  Speaker 1: can you give us on the undrafted rookie left tackle
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  Speaker 1: Khalil Benson that might be starting for the chiefs?
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  Speaker 2: That's a, that's a tough, that's a tough opener. If
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  Speaker 2: you're him, uh, I would expect he doesn't spend much
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  Speaker 2: time alone over there on that side. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: going to be in a crowd. And, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: guess I'm always in the believe it when I see it.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to think Reed would want to run the
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  Speaker 2: ball more, but that's not been his M.O. over the years. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's a good player. I think I knew
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  Speaker 2: a lot of teams that had a sixth or seventh
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  Speaker 2: round grade on them or a premium undrafted, which is
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  Speaker 2: kind of a seventh round grade now. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a good player, but that's pretty deep water to get
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  Speaker 2: chucked into right away.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting road in college for Khalil Benson, if it's a
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  Speaker 4: familiar name to those of you in.
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  Speaker 3: Colorado, it's because he played for the Buffs.
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  Speaker 4: He started his career in Indiana, transferred to Colorado, then
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  Speaker 4: transferred back to Indiana to win a national title. That
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  Speaker 4: is the state of college football, apparently. You can play
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  Speaker 4: for two teams in the same career. But he's had
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  Speaker 4: plenty of experience. Maybe some of these dudes coming out
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  Speaker 4: of college now, they've played so long, so many games,
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  Speaker 4: they're just a different breed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and the athleticism in the power conferences,
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  Speaker 2: that's why you see the clusters of draft picks. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the SEC, Big Ten, you know, that's why you see
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  Speaker 2: so much of the draft as players snagged out of
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  Speaker 2: those conferences, because athletically, those guys are more ready to
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  Speaker 2: play right away physically. And, and especially sec players are ready,
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  Speaker 2: you know, mentally competing in practice and all of those things.
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  Speaker 2: But no, he, he's a good player and they, you know.
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  Speaker 4: He was drafted then he didn't make your list. How
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  Speaker 4: does nobody draft this guy? If he's a good player
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  Speaker 4: and starting.
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  Speaker 2: Week one, Well, I mean, you know, Chris Harris Jr.
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  Speaker 2: was undrafted, but he was a good player. So you're
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  Speaker 2: only talking 300, you know, 250 draft spots. If you're
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  Speaker 2: the 270th best player in America, you're still a really
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  Speaker 2: good football player. And they just don't have a draft
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  Speaker 2: round built for you. But, and, you know, some of
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  Speaker 2: it is just timing of when teams picks come around,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he probably was up on the board as
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  Speaker 2: we're going to take that guy next. And then something
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  Speaker 2: happens and, and they need another position or they decide
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  Speaker 2: they're just going to take another guy with the same grade.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't, I never take it as a, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of a quality assessment of a guy. I
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  Speaker 2: think there's tons of good players in day three of
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  Speaker 2: a draft. And tons of good players that don't get
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  Speaker 2: picked if you're going to run a developmental thing. But
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  Speaker 2: I think athletically, just some teams didn't have him with
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  Speaker 2: elite athleticism. And at that position, that's a pretty big benchmark.
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  Speaker 5: Because we will not talk to you before the game
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  Speaker 5: on Monday night again. Have you talked to your counterparts
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  Speaker 5: in Kansas City? I know you've got your own job
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  Speaker 5: to do, but is there a latest on Patrick Mahomes?
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  Speaker 5: Is it all clearly systems go? What's the feeling over
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  Speaker 5: there in KC?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think most that's been the message they've been giving,
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  Speaker 2: you know, again, you're not going to know. I mean, those,
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  Speaker 2: nobody has seen full practice there. You know, I've talked
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  Speaker 2: to people I know in and around the team and,
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  Speaker 2: and the message is, Oh yeah, he's ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: But I think deep down, they know nine months is
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  Speaker 2: a very fast clock on, on that recovery. And the
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  Speaker 2: game is nine months to the day that he was injured. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Is he going to move exactly like he did before
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  Speaker 2: the injury? I would guess not, but he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be ready to chuck it around. Nothing happened to his brain.
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  Speaker 2: He's still going to be able to assess what the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos are doing on defense and all those things. I
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  Speaker 2: think we will see some concession to the movement, whether
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  Speaker 2: that's getting the ball out of his hands quicker, more screens,
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  Speaker 2: more you know, wheel routes, more things to just get
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  Speaker 2: the ball moving. Cause he is known for a very
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  Speaker 2: deep pass drop. He drops a little deeper than, than
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the marquee quarterbacks do. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: will we see all of that? You know, I'm, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure, but I think there has to be at
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  Speaker 2: least a small concession to that. He's coming back in,
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  Speaker 2: in just nine months.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwell, the ESPN.com with us. How many catches does
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  Speaker 1: Waddle have on Monday?
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  Speaker 2: I think you'll have about 400 targets if they get the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I, he's going to see the ball plenty.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I don't have a number for you,
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  Speaker 2: but cause I, I do think there, there is a,
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  Speaker 2: a real Davis web mindset that they're going to be
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  Speaker 2: physical at some point, run the ball and, and play
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  Speaker 2: that kind of game at certain points in the evening.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, Waddle's getting plenty of targets. They didn't, They
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  Speaker 2: didn't bring him in, and they haven't practiced the way
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  Speaker 2: they've practiced that he doesn't see the ball plenty unless
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs just decide they're going to put three guys
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  Speaker 2: on him and overlap everything.
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  Speaker 3: How do you see this running back rotation working for
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos? If J.K.
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  Speaker 4: Dobbins is the starter, does he get multiple series? Do
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  Speaker 4: they switch off series, switch off plays? I've always wondered
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  Speaker 4: how they operate that.
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  Speaker 2: Vic, usually it's, you know, often it's the running back
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  Speaker 2: coach that's you know, it's all been covered in meetings,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like Thursday, Friday. They cover, you know, okay,
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  Speaker 2: what back is with what personnel groupings, how many snaps
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  Speaker 2: do we project that grouping to be on the field?
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  Speaker 2: All that stuff's done before the game. So, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: Dobbin's when they're in the, you know, sort of base offense,
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  Speaker 2: early downs. And when they think, you know, they're always
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  Speaker 2: going to manage Dobbins's workload. So when, when they think
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  Speaker 2: it's one of those times in the game, it'll be
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  Speaker 2: Coleman in that row and that role. And then Harvey
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  Speaker 2: will be more of the, the hybrid, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: they've got some, you know, some past protection things and, and, and,
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  Speaker 2: When the back is more of a receiver in those situations,
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  Speaker 2: it'll be Harvey in there. But those three guys, they're
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  Speaker 2: all going to play. It's just a matter of where
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  Speaker 2: they make the cutoff on Dobbins to how the rest
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  Speaker 2: of it looks.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Jeff, in your opinion, the running back rotation in
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  Speaker 5: the formations and maybe tight ends as well, how much
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  Speaker 5: of that is a tell for the Denver Broncos of
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  Speaker 5: what they would like to do on this particular play?
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  Speaker 5: And how does that compare with other teams that you
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  Speaker 5: see around the league?
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  Speaker 2: Most last year, it was a big time. They were
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  Speaker 2: tipping their hand a lot. At least defensive coaches I
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  Speaker 2: talked to said they were tipping their hand by personnel groupings.
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  Speaker 2: And you can see that on the when I chart
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  Speaker 2: the game film after, you can see that. I think
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  Speaker 2: they have a little more versatility with this group. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Dobbins can have some of the receiving plays. They run
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  Speaker 2: for Harvey, and so can Coleman. So they're a lot
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  Speaker 2: more universal this year with who they're putting in the game.
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  Speaker 2: Last year, especially after Dobbins got hurt, they were really
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  Speaker 2: stuck in– folks kind of knew what part of the
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  Speaker 2: play sheet they were on by who was in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald, ESPN.com. Two quick ones here. Number one, I
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  Speaker 1: know we don't know the extent of the injury, but
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  Speaker 1: with a hip being a problem for Sam Darnold, is
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  Speaker 1: there a chance you think that he would miss all
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  Speaker 1: the way up to the Broncos game in week six?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I've asked around this morning a
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  Speaker 2: little bit to see what's up there, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: have a good report on that. That's a tough injury
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  Speaker 2: for certainly for a quarter or anybody that has to move,
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  Speaker 2: but especially a quarterback who, you know, they, they run
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the Shanahan ask things on offense. That
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  Speaker 2: requires a lot of quarterback movement, even in the run game, you're,
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  Speaker 2: you're moving and rolling. There's different depths. You got to
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  Speaker 2: get for the handoffs, depending on what play you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: So it's movement is paramount. That's, that's not a, an
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  Speaker 2: offense or a guy where they could just say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we'll just put him in the shotgun and try and
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  Speaker 2: nurse it through. He's going to need mobility. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that does impact how quick he does come back.
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  Speaker 2: But they're sort of hinting they think it's good news,
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  Speaker 2: but he was supposed to go for an MRI this morning.
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  Speaker 1: And then finally, I consider you a certified ball knower,
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  Speaker 1: but you are also a knower of sports. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think this random guy in his car sounds like every
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  Speaker 1: baseball announcer you've ever heard?
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  Speaker 3: What do you.
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  Speaker 2: Think, Leggy?
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  Speaker 5: Does that sound like every broadcast you've ever heard?
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  Speaker 1: And we lost him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, is he gone?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I got no audio, so I'm just going to say yes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: All right. JeffLegwald, ESPN.com. Always appreciate the time, Leggy. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk next week.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks, fellas.
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  Speaker 2: Take care.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Did he hit a dead zone.
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  Speaker 1: At that exact time, or is he not playing my games?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, don't play radio games.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't he.
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  Speaker 3: Play my games? Oh, you're doing the radio thing again.
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  Speaker 3: Leggy doesn't tolerate radio games.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I think he does like the radio games. Know your audience.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a point guard. Know what you're doing.
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  Speaker 5: Know it.
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  Speaker 3: Know the offense. Understand who you're giving the ball to.
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  Speaker 1: I think that Legge plays a character of somebody who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have time for stupidity, but he loves the time
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  Speaker 1: for stupidity. I'm convinced of this. I don't know about that.