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S4 E9 - Corporate Crimes · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Hello, Why, Hello, how are you? Oh? You know it
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  is live. This is totally live. It's way too live. It is
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  so live. I'm just hooked up to it to a couple of paddles and
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  I won't tell you where they are. You can't see him up here,
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  but we'll just leave it at that. Save those for the tiaki hut,
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  please to save those for the tiki. Yeah. Well, well, I
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  have to tell you, you know, I started drinking this wine. We
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  could tell it's not going very far and peeling the label and not so good,
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  so good. I'm thinking maybe some sparkling water to it, make it
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  one of those little spritzer things and that, or it could be the sickness
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  that it doesn't taste good but it's not going down so well. Oh no,
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  Well, what I know, I'm gonna try I'm going to be a
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  trooper. I'm going to be a trooper. I'm off tomorrow, so I'm
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  gonna try it. But I know, we normally talk about recent things in
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  the news when we get started, and I kind of have a story or
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  a haveline that I want to tell. It's not a true crime, but
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  it is something that is very dear and near to my heart and I have
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  to tell you I think and gets phenomenal. So if y'all will allow me
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  to share, and I'm going to just tell y'all I cannot pronounce his last
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  name, so just spare me. Somema Blair and Isaac Mizrah debut Accessible Fashion
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  collection. So Somema Blair was diagnosed with multiple scrollsis in twenty eighteen, and
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  they teamed up to make accessible clothing line for people with disabilities, and especially
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  people with disabilities that it's not obvious when you look at them, like I
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  have MS. Most people don't know that because most days I'm fine and I
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  can get dressed. But there are some days that clothes just don't go on
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  the way they're supposed to, and if you're having to walk with a cane
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  or if you're in a chair, it's hard, and if you have to
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  go to the ladies room things. So, guys, I just had to
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  share because it made me you remember the world is not always dark, that's
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  all. JT's like, Wow, Terry, I think I'm I didn't fall
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  asleep this time. I think I just missed it. Okay, Sorry,
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  tell me that's gonna sound look typical. Husband move right, tell me one
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  more time. See everybody else heard it but me, because of course so
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  so I'm a Blair and Isaac Mizrah he's a designer. They designed. No,
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  yes, okay, you re mind close. Yes, I think that's
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  awesome. Did you have an A D D moment? Yes, both of
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  them at the same time. Shorted out, Holly Berry. Absolutely. Why
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  did this not already exist? Why do we have to have buttons? Because
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  there are days that I can't do a button, I can't pull up a
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  zipper, But yet I don't always want pants that pull on that have a
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  runch thing, and then you can't tuck a shirt. So and they look
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  so cool. I mean, I am just beyond excited. And there's a
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  lot of pink, which is even better. That's a weird Oh no,
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  if that was the case, you would have thought that I paused or froze.
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  Okay, I'm sorry. I love that now that we've now that we've
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  pissed off all of Texas, that poor guy man. At a certain point,
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  y'all, like, at a certain point, it's time to respire and
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  let the kids take over. Please, guys, there comes a time that
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  there should be mandatory retirements, and there should be mandatory times to take away
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  driver's license. My ex and laws used to get mad at me because I'm
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  like, once you turn sixty five, you should have to take your driving
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  test every two years, maybe seventy. I mean, people are living longer
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  now, but you you gotta and you need to have just like doctors should
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  not be doing surgery when they're eighty. I'm sorry. You can teach,
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  but you can't actually perform surgery. Just in my opinion. Now, I'm
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  just a you know, young whipper snapper. I'm still wet behind the ears.
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  But that's cool. She is. Did you know that I did?
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  Ah, I don't. She's I mean, there's a lot of different kinds
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  of a mess, but so many people don't realize. They look at you
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  and they're like, oh, you're fine, what's your problem? Why can't
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  you do your button in the bathroom? I literally when I was having an
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  exacerbation. It's been years ago. We were selling California HH, and I
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  went to dinner for some business people. I asked a random lady in the
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  bathroom to button my pants and zip them for me because I couldn't and I
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  had been in the bathroom for quite a while trying to do it, and
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  I couldn't walk out in front of my husband's business associates with it all just
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  hanging out. So the fact that they did that and it took somebody to
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  stand up and say we need this, I mean, why wasn't that just
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  a given that we have easily accessible clothes and no, not for the tiki
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  hut, I mean for life, not easy access accessible right, different,
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  right, So, tim, it was a great thing. And the interesting
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  thing I read that after reading the article about Gypsy Rose being released in December
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  mm hmm, and I was like, well, she could use them.
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  I was like, oh, wait a minute, she wasn't really in the
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  wheelchair. It brought it all back to me and I had forgotten. But
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  also the Tiki hut. So, speaking of Gypsy Rose, what are your
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  thoughts on that whole thing. We've never talked about it. Okay, So
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  do you remember it? No? No, I do? Do you remember
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  the Gypsy released? Yeah, she's been released in December. Okay, I'm
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  so okay. So to summarize though her mother had there's another phrase for it,
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  but I'm going to say Munchausen by proxy. And she wanted to get
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  away from it in the only way that she basically her her options were stay
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  in this situation or eliminate mom. Is that yeah? So she was definitely
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  emotionally, she was emotionally. Physically I mean she was abused her entire life,
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  mentally physically, forced surgeries. I mean the only thing she wasn't done
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  was locked in a dog cage and left. I mean she was fed,
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  but she was beaten if she tried to stand up or get out of the
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  chair, belittled I mean, Stockholm syndrome. I mean, there's so many
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  things that this poor girl. What what was the initial I mean, what
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  was the initial sentence she served eighty five percent? I think it was of
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  what her sentence was. So she's been in ten years. Let me google
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  it real quick. I mean I talked about it. But yeah, while
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  you're looking that up, I mean extenuating circumstances. And by that, I
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  mean there's no excuse, Okay, correction, there might be an excuse for
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  eliminating a human being unliving, a human being that might be one of them.
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  Actually, as long as that's, you know, truly what happened,
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  which I think there's plenty of evidence to say there was. And remember she
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  didn't kill her mom. She talked the boyfriend into it and she was given
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  ten years. So she met a guy online and he did it for her,
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  so he got life, he got life. Okay, well, I
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  mean I get that, I get that, but he was also on the
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  spectrum and had learning disabilities, and no, it was not inte Well,
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  they did live in Texas for a little while, but it did not happen
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  in Texas where she got caught. They were actually because they were in Louisiana,
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  because they slide about Katrina. They were in Missouri. But the thing
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  that gets me the family Gypsy Roses. Mom changed her name because the family
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  had concerned with the way she was doing gypsy when she was a toddler.
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  I my opinion is that she served eighty five percent of a sentence and she
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  takes ownership. She's admitted she was wrong. My biggest concern, and I
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  said this on my TikTok. I understand she agreed, she did wrong.
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  She helped her mother, you know, be killed. She set it up.
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  What resources did we give her to undo a lifetime of abuse and to
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  set her up to be successful in the real world? That's my biggest thing,
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  not saying she should have walked off scot free, but was prison really
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  the place for her to I mean her entire life. She never had a
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  week of a normal childhood. What did we give her to deal with all
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  of that and learn how to be a good person? It depends my thing.
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  Prison Possibly, I don't know. Shanka could speak more to this,
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  maybe, And I feel so okay saying that because she's mentioned these things before,
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  right, But like, depending on the prison, I would imagine there
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  are some things, and I would imagine she's also a prime candidate to be
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  signed up for those things. Not that they're good things, but I would
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  also imagine that a condition of her parole is to set up fine, find
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  somebody and set up appointments and stuff. Now here's the problem. She's getting
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  out. What family does she? Does she have extended family? Does she
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  have a support system? Does she have anything? Because that's where things go
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  south. And I'm not saying she's going to go south because I think this
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  was a very isolated incident. I don't think she is at any risk of
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  doing this again because the situation is over right well, and there was extended
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  family, she had a biological dad that nobody, excuse my crassness, nobody
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  had the balls to step in and say what you're doing to this child is
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  wrong. There were doctors who even said this isn't right, this isn't Those
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  records wouldn't be gone, she wouldn't have had this. I get that she
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  has her aunt or dad and her stepmom, where if they had concerns early
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  on, there's just so many holes that things fell through. I look more
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  to the medical community for not raising flags. Like one doctor I read he
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  was told by the Golden Gloves this is a special family. And the doctor
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  was like, yeah, but something's not right here, and they're like no,
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  no, no, no, no, just go with it. See
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  they should be in jail too. That's they should be in jail there.
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  They are mandated reporters. To me, with that thought, with mandated,
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  they are accessories to not only the abuse of Gypsy but also the murder of
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  the mom. That's that's now obviously I'm I'm not a lawyer, and I
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  highly doubt that's how that worked. But to me, ethically, if you
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  go along with this anything that results, which is abuse and then the murder,
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  you're an accessory too, the same way. And if a woman moves
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  there and she says, oh, well, Katrina, all of the medical
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  records are gone. Well I can tell you this. I'm in the middle
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  of chain. And they're like, you either need to get that doctor to
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  refer you here or you have to redo all of the testing. And I'm
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  like, yeah, I'm not doing a spinal tap again. Not happening.
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  I will call up the doctor and tell him I don't like you. I
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  want a new doctor. Shouldn't they have done the same thing, especially with
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  the child. A child, you don't just believe a mother's I'm a mother
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  and I'm sorry to say this. You can trust, but verify and if
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  you have suspicion. So I guess that's the part that bothers me. Nobody
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  was there for her her whole childhood, the doctor's everybody. Then we put
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  her in prison with adults she did not get. She never went to trick
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  or treating with normal kids. She didn't go to prom. She her mom
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  wouldn't let her have close close friends because she would tell And I think she's
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  gonna have a rough time. And I hope they let her change her name.
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  Put her in like a witness protection or something, give her a chance
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  to have a life. And then then you know, on the opposite side
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  of that, right, Maya Kowalski, And they're currently in court now,
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  which they a hospital accused Maya's mother of Munchausen syndrome by proxy and yeah,
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  basically falsely imprisoned, Yeah, and hugged and photographed against her will. And
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  now I haven't I've watched the documentary. That doesn't mean anything. I haven't
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  watched the court case. I haven't seen the evidence. However, if you
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  know, you have this other side of things too, right where this hospital
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  way over did it, and there's yeah, I agree, but she moved
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  to multiple states and would change doctors, and the mom is actively going out
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  and getting government resources. Habitat for Humanity built her a home, They got
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  a free van, free food, where this other family wasn't asking for assistance
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  somebody. I mean, there's got to be a checks and balance system.
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  And in Gypsy's case, two or three doctors throw up red flags compared to
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  just one doctor. Is my thing, and so I'm glad she's getting out.
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  I'm glad she takes ownership. I'm glad she has the mental capacity to
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  realize I didn't do I didn't make the best decision in a bad situation.
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  But on the other hand, I can't think that I would have felt safe
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  to go and tell somebody if your doctor's believer, who should you trust?
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  Because you're I mean, oh yeah, I would go to my doctor first.
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  You know what's amazing is how I mean, obviously there have been years
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  between when she was under the thumb of her mother and now, but if
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  you put obvious maturation aside and aging aside, the difference in how she presents
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  herself nonverbally as well as how she looks is astonishing. It is. And
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  then I think, I mean him, don't know a lot about him,
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  haven't looked into as much, but he is on the spectrum. He has
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  some learning disabilities, apparently was very undermature as far as his thinking, and
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  he would have done anything like a little puppy. Not saying he doesn't deserve
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  punishment because he did do it, but I also, once again, life
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  in prison without pearol might be a bit much. Yeah, but that could
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  be the softy in me. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean,
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  I think there's other places where he could be right, all right,
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  I'm not saying he should just be walking on the streets with everybody right right
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  the I'm just briefly looking at something. And it seems like he was diagnosed
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  with autism in grade school. And he himself said, from the very first
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  day I was in kindergarten all the way to twelfth grade, every single one
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  of those days I was in special education. And he went on to say,
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  the weird thing, though, is that even though I was in special
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  education throughout that entire time, I was considered one of the smartest children in
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  the classroom that I was in, just because of my high functioning autism Asperger
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  syndrome. So he has a intellectual Oh yeah, smartness is different. I
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  don't want to say common sense, but I mean one of the psychologists that
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  did something, I don't know whether he was for defense or prosecution, but
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  said that he did two mental evaluations on him and determined that he is on
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  the autism spectrum. He has an IQ of eighty two and the functionality equivalent
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  to that of a ten year old. So that's why I'm just I believe
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  in justice. I believe there's consequences for everything you do. But I also
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  think we need to balance consequences with reality. I mean, I'm not saying
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  he should be walking the streets free. I'm saying he does deserve consequences and
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  punishment, but I'm not sure I agree with it. His whole life should
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  just be thrown away because he saved this girl. Nobody has thought to say
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  that. I know she talked him into it. In reality, we all
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  know she could have just walked away. She didn't know that because she was
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  in a mental prison. He saved her. What do you think life would
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  have I think mom would have eventually would have pushed it too. So in
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  a way, I think he saved her. Yeah, but it's it's it's
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  complicated. I mean this that's a I mean, it's Facebook relationship. It's
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  complicated. And the law doesn't like gray, doesn't like shades of gray.
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  It wants black and white. And this is a well, this is entire
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  That entire case is gray. So it is. And I think it was
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  one of the first times we ever saw anything on that scale, you know,
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  at least because that media picked up because she her mom was good.
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  Her mom was a master manipulator. She Bamboo Little bamboozled a lot of people.
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  Oh yeah, we're sure, I was trying to find Yeah, it's
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  kind of me trying to drink this wine. It's just not great, right.
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  I love that song once, twice, three times. It's a lad.
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  This movie I watched, yes, here it is here, It is
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  here, it is So there's a movie that deals with kind of that,
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  that concept of Munchausen. And I don't know if you've ever seen it.
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  It was done in two thousand and one and it was called The Glass House.
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  Yes, yeah, and so it's got like Diane Lane in it,
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  Stelling stars guards in it and Bruce Dern but yeah, yeah, it's uh,
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  if you haven't seen it, it's you know, it's got some horror
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  aspects, but it's mostly a thriller. But I I it's fascinating. It's
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  fascinating. But then you add in that other component of Nick with his issues.
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  So I mean it was almost like a perfect storm that these two young
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  people found each other. So yeah, my softy heart's out today. So
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  it's I have so many feels around it, and I just hope that in
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  five to ten years that we hear how successful she is and how she's overcome
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  the trauma. Absolutely, and my heart breaks for him and his family.
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  I just today's not the day for me to have all these feels. Sure,
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  I know I should. I don't know where my bell is because my
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  dang bell doesn't work. I need a refund on that bell. This makes
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  me chuckle. That's like me saying I sleep with Keith Morrison every night.
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  She says that she has a she has a stuffed version of me who does
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  not a true handsome Hobby. I was like, going on, I sleep
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  with Lucy, my giraffe. Now, hold on, is it Lucy or
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  is it I'm confused. I have a stuffed giraffe that my bestie's son just
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  gave me two weeks ago, and I named her Lucy. It just popped
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  in my head. HH agreed, And so I've been sleeping with her.
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  And then I just put Keith Morrison in my ears and I snuggle up to
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  Lucy because handsome Hobby's too hot. He makes me sweat. He needs to
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  stay on his side of the bed. I just gotta stay over there.
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  Plus there's dogs between us. I agree with that. I need Elizabeth to
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  talk to missus Bruce Crame about this. See if she agrees, Well,
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  I will say if and I can't believe. I'm gonna admit this. I
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  tried to listen to one of your voice narration podcasts. The subject kept me
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  from sleeping, but your voice was very Keith morrisony. I could have slept
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  with you. Thank you. I take that as a comp a huge comprom
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  So maybe if you could just read books and put them out there, I
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  will be more than happy. I mean, I put you to sleep on
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  our last live so I have listen. If anybody knows, if anybody has
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  an idea of a free you know, a royalty free book book that you
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  would like read, you tell me and I will start working on it.
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  Is that a promise? It is a promise. I have one pick up
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  a book for so long. I mean it could be. I mean I've
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  I've I read Chad Dabell's Stupid Story, So I mean at this point anything
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  what about a Harlequin? Sure? I mean there's why not? Right?
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  I mean okay, so mm hmm. How about not Helter Skelter, but
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  the autobiography of Charles Manson. I actually recorded a segment of that and used
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  it as an audition piece for a voiceover role, and I got that.
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  Uh, we didn't finish the project. But it was a It was the
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  Joker, which I loved. Oh, I'm sure, and see if I
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  actually still have that. My voice is more like fingernails on a chalkboard.
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  You don't want me reading your book, especially not when I'm rasking like this.
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  Let's see so oh here it is. Let's have some fun. Bads,
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  don't mess with the Batman. Who laughs. Yeah, I couldn't sleep
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  to that one. No no, no, no, no, no,
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  that one I couldn't sleep too. But yeah, I feel frie to reach
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  out. Well, are you ready to get in? Because I have to
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  tell you. I really thought corporate crimes was going to be easy peasy and
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  didn't think it was going to get that bad? And yes, and I
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  also didn't know that companies could have criminal charges put against them and be put
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  on probation for their company. But nobody goes to jail. Mm hmmm.
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  So I was naive and thought this was going to be easy, breezy,
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  fun, and I was wrong. I'm ready, Okay, I have to
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  yes, please, ah, hold on, hold hold on, I need
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  to listen to Keith real fast. Oh forgot, how could you not have
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  Keith in near mind already I don't fall asleep to him. Hold on real
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  quick. Well, beauty queen found murdered in her apartment. Oh god,
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  he's got age on him. Oh that pesky dna. Nope, nope,
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  nope, I just sound like an old guy. I could just do.
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  Oh that pesky DNA. That's yeah, I like it like that. Oh
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  that skiddy and he's got John him. It's like, it's okay. It's
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  like when I had a high school band where we covered AC DC and I
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  could hit the notes in high school. But then my guitarist was like,
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  all right, now you just need to catch up to fifty years of chainsmoking.
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  And I was like, nope, no, let's be kind to the
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  older population in your place. No. I absolutely love how much, like
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  how how much I love fool voices. And I think folks that are,
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  you know, higher in age, their voice just sounds like they have experience
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  and there is no way I could recreate that. I also like the little
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  bit of sarcasm, but he means it, but he stabs it in at
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  the same time. He just does it all perfectly, like it's just perfect,
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  just perfect. Well, I am somewhat excited to tell you about my
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  case, because everybody in the world has heard of at least one of their
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  products, Tyson Foods. Oh boy, most people think they're just chicken.
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  They're not just chicken. To have a chicken plant right down the road from
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  actually it's right over for my in laws. Yeah, they got so.
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  And I'm going to try my new fans and we're going to see how this
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  works. Okay. So, Tyson's food has a long and complex history that
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  includes both notable achievements and controversies. While it began as a modest family business,
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  it has grown into one of the largest meat processing companies globally. However,
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  over the years, the company has faced a series of legal issues and
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  allegations that have raised concerns about its business practices and ethical standards. Now I'm
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  going to just tell y'all get ready and buckle up because it's a little Craig
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  Kray. So. Tyson Foods started back in nineteen thirty one when John Tyson
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  moved his family to Springdale, Arkansas. He started delivering chickens to markets in
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  the Midwest. This was fascinating to me. Dear. In World War Two,
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  they experienced significant growth because chickens were not subject to rationing. They were
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  rationing all other food but not chicken. Guys, I don't get it.
• 33:13
  It's protein, it's they don't get it, but okay. So that allowed
• 33:19
  them to just explode. They started breeding chickens, growing chickens, raising chickens,
• 33:25
  and spreading them. Then they had a hatchery and they started selling baby
• 33:30
  chicks, then chicken feed. Then they started transporting it all over the US
• 33:39
  and just kept it going, which I find funny that they started out with
• 33:45
  these couple of little chickens, then they decided to kill them and sell them,
• 33:51
  and everybody now eats them. So they opened their first processing plant in
• 33:54
  the nineteen fifties, and then in seventy two is when they changed to what
• 34:00
  we know today is Tyson Foods. Now. Like I said, they're one
• 34:06
  of the largest meat processing companies. However, like a lot of companies this
• 34:12
  size, they've had a lot of controversies, legal issues, and violations over
• 34:17
  the years. Now, I am sad to say, until I researched this,
• 34:25
  I thought they only sold chicken. I didn't know there are other brands.
• 34:31
  Jimmy Dean Sausage, Hillshire Farm Ballpark hot Dogs, raised and rooted Sarah
• 34:40
  Lee I mean they're cheesecakes, Sarah Lee Adele's right brand, which is the
• 34:49
  thick bacon we buy, Bosco's Gallos salami, and guys, that's not even
• 34:55
  all of the list. They are more than just chicken. But before we
• 35:02
  get no, I was just going to say, it's like Facebook, It's
• 35:07
  like Meta, who owns literally almost everything. And that's true. They expanded.
• 35:15
  I guess if you can raise a chicken, you can raise a pig,
• 35:16
  you can raise a cow, you can I also have a state company
• 35:22
  things like that, if you can, if you can milk her. Yeah,
• 35:27
  Now, before we dive into this, I want to tell you I
• 35:30
  did not focus on their sanitary and health issues a lot. I focused more
• 35:39
  on the corporate things that they did. So a little things will pop up
• 35:45
  because they did them for money kind of things, but we don't get into
• 35:50
  that. So I just want to let everybody know that we are not going
• 35:52
  to talk about how chicken nuggets are made, because we're just not. I
• 35:57
  can't, so wanted to tell you that now. I also want to say,
• 36:01
  to be fair all large companies, when you have that many employees,
• 36:07
  that many locations, you're going to have issues. You can't control everything.
• 36:15
  However, they have faced huge numbers of issues. And when I at the
• 36:24
  end, I'm going to tell you some of their large fines that they've paid
• 36:30
  in settlements because it's crazy. So I'm going to give you several of the
• 36:37
  top so discriminatory hiring practices. In two thousand, they paid two hundred and
• 36:43
  thirty thousand dollars to settle allegations that they were discriminating hiring back in ninety six
• 36:50
  to ninety seven, so just one year they weren't hiring the right people.
• 36:54
  Then in two thousand and one, they had to recall two point five three
• 37:00
  million pounds of chicken due to the fact they underprocessed it. We're not going
• 37:07
  to go into that. Then two thousand and three, now it does say
• 37:15
  under processed. As long as you cooked it at home, perfectly overcooked it,
• 37:23
  you were fine. It's the people who a little bit of pink left
• 37:28
  shouldn't do so spair shot. Now, animal cruelty allegations. In two thousand
• 37:36
  and three, penafiled formal request for criminal charges because there was eyewitness testimony of
• 37:44
  animal cruelty in their Arkansas slaughterhouse. Now they had a reporter who got hired
• 37:53
  to work at the slaughterhouse. Nice. So I was like, you have
• 37:59
  a better stomach than I do, because I wouldn't do that for a story,
• 38:02
  So better than me? This hope. The heck that they offered that
• 38:07
  person mental health care after all? Oh god, I hope. So this
• 38:13
  next one is where I learned a lot environmental violations. In two thousand and
• 38:19
  three, Tyson pled guilty to twenty felony violations of the Federal Clean Water Act.
• 38:28
  The company was repeatedly discharging untreated or inactuity inadequately treated wastewater into the storm
• 38:37
  drains that went into the public drinking water. Seven point five million dollar penalty.
• 38:49
  They agreed and wrote a check. Also in two thousand and three,
• 38:57
  they paid another settlement for release phosphorus and nitron rich chicken ways into a water
• 39:04
  shed that supplied drinking water in a different state. So not just one state,
• 39:12
  another state, another seven million dollar fine, okay. Two thousand and
• 39:22
  five, Tyson settled in sec investigation concerning false proxy statement. The company paid
• 39:29
  a one point five million dollar penalty. Don Tyson, the chairman, had
• 39:34
  to pay a personal penalty of seven hundred thousand, So basically they were paying
• 39:40
  the chairman's personal expenses and writing it off through the corporation instead of taxing him.
• 39:51
  You can't do that to people. So I don't know, if you're
• 39:55
  hearing all these millions, we're gonna hit some pretty big numbers hinder contract.
• 40:04
  That's the one Tyson plant that's right next to my own laws. Yeah.
• 40:09
  Yeah, So they paid a forty two point five million dollar lawsuit in two
• 40:15
  thousand and five to sell a lawsuit to the handling of their contracts with vendors.
• 40:21
  They would do what Musk is trying to do. Oh, I'm not
• 40:23
  paying that bill. Oh, I'm not paying that bill. Think they're gonna
• 40:27
  get away with that. Oh I'm canceling that contract. Forty two million dollars.
• 40:35
  Guys, Now we know our chicken prices are going out, right,
• 40:40
  So this next one, I'm going to just tell you. Being an HR,
• 40:45
  this one just pushes me over the edge. Worker safety violation. In
• 40:50
  two thousand and nine, Tyson was fined the maximum penalty allowed by law for
• 40:57
  willfully violating workers safety regulations which results in the death of an employee. The
• 41:04
  maximum penalty is five hundred thousand. It's what a life cost. That was
• 41:10
  the penalty, so they decided it was cheaper to pay that than to put
• 41:16
  the safety guards on the equipment to protect their fingers. And yeah, it
• 41:22
  was cheaper to do that. Yes, It's almost like not having any consequences
• 41:35
  doesn't make things better. Yep. So then two thousand and nine they paid
• 41:39
  two million dollar penalty and a four point one million dollar fine for releasing fecal
• 41:46
  col of form into a different water system. So between twenty ten and twenty
• 42:04
  fifteen, Tyson paid nineteen million dollars in fines in seven hundred million to settle
• 42:13
  lawsuits. Guys, this does not take into account what they were doing in
• 42:22
  Mexico. So they had to pay a four million dollar fine Mexico money for
• 42:35
  bribery relating to the export of chicken products. Mexico was saying they met US
• 42:42
  standards and they didn't, and a one point two million dollar judgment. So
• 42:54
  the thing I found interesting those twenty felony charges. The company was put on
• 43:00
  probation and they had a probation officer type person work in the company to watch
• 43:10
  everything they did. Could you please explain to me why and how a company
• 43:22
  is put on probation and nobody spent a night in jail and people died.
• 43:32
  How do you do criminal charges against a company, let them stay in business,
• 43:37
  put them on probation for a year. I didn't know that was a
• 43:45
  thing that you could do. I didn't know a company could get put on
• 43:49
  probation. I mean they charged the company as an entity and not the individual.
• 43:54
  I mean that way you show the public that you're quote unquote doing something,
• 44:00
  but you're not really. And Tyson has such a hold on lobbyists and
• 44:06
  such, and they probably pay I'm guessing they probably donate to some politicians in
• 44:12
  order to keep whatever they're doing, you know, current, or keep up
• 44:16
  doing whatever they're doing. But I mean, like, I mean, I'm
• 44:22
  smart enough to know that raising animals for food is a rough business. But
• 44:31
  if you can spend that kind of money just in fifteen years on fines in
• 44:40
  lawsuits. That doesn't go into the sexual harassment, wrongful terminations. There's a
• 44:50
  whole lot of other ones I didn't get into. If you can spend that
• 44:53
  kind of money, why don't you just fix your shit? They I'm looking
• 45:00
  right now. In twenty twenty two, they spent one point eight to seven
• 45:10
  million dollars on lobbying uh huh. And they donated seven hundred and five thousands
• 45:16
  to politicians. Now this is politicians on both sides. It just so happens
• 45:22
  to be mostly read at the top, actually the top five. Uh so,
• 45:30
  just like you know, this is why they get away with what they,
• 45:37
  okay, get away with right. Well, but here's this. So
• 45:40
  they're board chairman received compimation compensation of ten point three two million. His base
• 45:51
  salary is one point six to two million a year. Okay, Now here's
• 46:00
  the next thing. And this is a side note. John R. Tyson,
• 46:05
  who's the CFO, pled guilty in twenty twenty two to public intoxication and
• 46:09
  trespassing after he entered a home that was not his, crawled into bed and
• 46:14
  went to sleep. He paid a toll of three hundred dollars in fines and
• 46:19
  forty dollars in court costs. Now the upside, the woman who lived in
• 46:24
  the home wasn't there, so she came home and found him. And he's
• 46:28
  lucky because he had come in my house. I had a shot his ass.
• 46:31
  But he's thirty four. His base salary is six hundred and fifty thousand
• 46:37
  dollars, plus he gets a performance bonus of five hundred and eighty five thousand
• 46:44
  to seven hundred and fifteen thousand. So I want to know why they need
• 46:55
  to make that much money and they're paying all the spines in legal things.
• 47:02
  You need to fix your shit and spend money there and not keep raising the
• 47:09
  price of chicken. So I know, im to the choir, well well,
• 47:20
  I mean and spending money on things like you know, safety guards and
• 47:24
  doesn't process more chicken. And the bottom line is the bottom line. And
• 47:27
  they've got themselves a board, I'm sure, and it's probably you know,
• 47:37
  it doesn't matter how cheap it would be to do it, they're not going
• 47:40
  to do it. But yeah, you I mean, let's all be honest.
• 47:47
  Also, the government doesn't want to shut down Tyson. If they shut
• 47:51
  down Tyson, the food shortage the country would have. You know, we've
• 48:01
  had supply chain problems. We've seen the price. I mean, there was
• 48:05
  a time that it was eighteen dollars a dozen for eggs in Austin during the
• 48:09
  pandemic. So just think, and part of me can't help but think they
• 48:17
  know that, they know that they're monopoly, oh for sure, And that's
• 48:25
  where the power comes from. I don't want to jump the I don't want
• 48:29
  to jump the shark. Are you going to hit on more recent things?
• 48:34
  I am not. And the reason I didn't is because it it got to
• 48:39
  be disturbing to me. It got to be very disturbing. If you want
• 48:46
  to share some if you want, I'm done with my part because it literally
• 48:55
  I didn't eat meat for a couple of days because it just reading. I
• 49:04
  took it as disregard. Yes, they're feeding people, they're doing a good
• 49:08
  thing. But when I started reading about the children who were sick from what
• 49:14
  they were putting in the water supply, I just and I was on meds,
• 49:23
  pain meds, and I was just like, I can't. So,
• 49:28
  yes, please share some of the more current things, because there's a lot
• 49:31
  more current too. Yeah. So I'm just going to mention a couple of
• 49:37
  things. I mean, just well, really one overall theme. And this
• 49:40
  was published September twenty eighth this year, but the Department of Labors investigating Purdue
• 49:47
  and Tyson following a New York Times magazine report of miners working at their facility.
• 49:53
  The federal government committed to ratcheting up efforts to root out child labor law
• 49:58
  violations, which means they're going to find them, but they're not there.
• 50:01
  Wait is that their facilities or that was their contracted vendors. I'm looking now,
• 50:10
  I think it's their vendors. So they didn't control the hiring. They
• 50:15
  use subcontractors. So the the the Purdue thing looks like it was a migrant
• 50:22
  child was severely enered while working for a sanitation company contracted by them, but
• 50:28
  it also mentioned several other underage migrant workers, including some who worked at Tyson
• 50:31
  facilities directly. Okay, jeez. Here in Texas, they've only talked about
• 50:40
  it being subcontractors on the news. Oh and look, our favorite, our
• 50:47
  favorite marathon runner Josh Holly, sent quote unquote an open letter to Tyson CEO
• 50:54
  asking for more information about the company's child labor practices. What do you need
• 51:02
  to know, Josh Holly? I mean, I'm sorry, I'm gonna get
• 51:07
  angry real quick. What do you need to know? What are the policy
• 51:12
  is? Don't do it? And if they're doing it, yeah, stop
• 51:15
  it. But you're not going to stop it because they contribute. So yeah,
• 51:22
  you know, it's just one of those things. It pisses me off
• 51:24
  at such an empty action. Empty actions make me so angry, and he
• 51:28
  is a well dick to begin with, so he is. Yeah. And
• 51:31
  one of the things that you probably see their recent things, they were forcing
• 51:37
  employees to come to work, and if you work in certain parts, like
• 51:40
  a clean room environment, you were mandatory to be there. It takes you
• 51:46
  thirty to forty five minutes to get into the get up to go to work.
• 51:51
  They didn't want to pay you for it, but yet you had to
• 51:52
  do it or you would lose your job. You would work, and then
• 51:55
  when you had to get out of it to go eat, they wouldn't pay
• 51:59
  you for that. Basically, you were working sixteen hours in getting paid for
• 52:04
  eight to nine hours. A friend of mine who whose parents both both naturalize,
• 52:19
  both US citizen and then naturalized citizen right. They they actually met at
• 52:28
  a plant I don't remember what plant, but with involving chicken. And they
• 52:32
  would get up at like two thirty in the morning and they would get in
• 52:38
  a van, way packed van at like five and they would drive off and
• 52:46
  work forever and then come back super late just to fall asleep for a couple
• 52:52
  of hours to wake up and do it again. And I mean, just
• 52:57
  the mistreatment is and and they they know they can get away with it because
• 53:02
  of the the the the rhetoric that surrounds migrant workers, and the recent conversation
• 53:13
  over all of that. And I just saw it yesterday. I just saw
• 53:15
  it yesterday when they ousted Kevin McCarthy talking about they literally put a blanket statement
• 53:22
  out there that everybody who crosses the border is a criminal, and and and
• 53:28
  and and and no matter how you feel about that situation, you know,
• 53:35
  and this isn't even political. This is this is a humane thing. Not
• 53:38
  everybody who crosses the border, whether legally or illegally, is a criminal.
• 53:44
  And well, just like I can't say from I can't say every man is
• 53:51
  a cheater. I can't say every woman is a psycho. You cannot generalize
• 53:57
  people. You can't say everyone that comes from Texas is this. And that
• 54:05
  is the problem with blanket statements. And I also the problem I have with
• 54:09
  the blanket statement not being political. I was born and raised in America.
• 54:19
  My parents were my grandparents. Weren't my great grandparents, weren't they came over
• 54:25
  from France. I mean that would mean that they were criminals. Right,
• 54:35
  if you say everyone that comes over that's an immigrants a criminal, that means
• 54:38
  the majority of our population we are part criminals. The what's fascinating. I
• 54:47
  have an application on my phone and I suggest everybody take a look into it.
• 54:52
  You don't have to, obviously because it costs money, but I subdubscribed
• 54:58
  to ground News. News is an app that gives gives you the topics of
• 55:02
  the news. But they will, they will, they they they have a
• 55:07
  basically a unbiased rating in terms of whether it's centric, left or right.
• 55:14
  And they will show you three articles, one that's left, one that's centrist,
• 55:17
  and the one that's right, and your left side says that the subject
• 55:27
  is or the head. The head title, as Killer Rabbit Podcast would say,
• 55:31
  is there is a migrant crisis, and they back that up in terms
• 55:36
  of numbers like how many people are coming across right, and and and and
• 55:38
  and and and having a lot of people come across no matter the reason,
• 55:44
  it does put a strain. But that doesn't mean But my point is is
• 55:46
  that they title migrant centrist migrant right. And I'm so sorry if if I'm
• 55:53
  not this is not a blanket statement against all people on the right, because
• 55:59
  Papa brus Crime is on the right. He just happens to have common senses
• 56:04
  on the right and loves people and accepts people, which is all I ask.
• 56:09
  But the right side, and this can't be argued, is they take
• 56:14
  migrant and substitute that for illegal immigrant or a legal alien, and that immediately
• 56:19
  devalues or dehumanizes somebody, and that that is the problem. And they know
• 56:25
  they know exactly what they're doing, so there's they know what's gonna get heard.
• 56:34
  The other thing that Tyson has some current legal issues going on around expectant
• 56:44
  mothers. There are certain roles that when you hit a certain time in your
• 56:52
  pregnancy within their processing plants that a female cannot do those jobs. It could,
• 57:01
  you know, harm their fetus, so they they terminate them or they
• 57:14
  push them out so that they can't get unemployment. And there now is some
• 57:20
  lawsuits that we're going to be seeing coming into the price because they open these
• 57:25
  processing plants in these smaller rural areas and people need jobs. Our unemployment is
• 57:32
  still very high and these women have to make choices to support their family.
• 57:44
  And I was shocked to find out if they are convicted of it, it
• 57:51
  would once again just be criminal charges and then put on probation. The most
• 57:59
  they will have to pay is two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That is
• 58:02
  the state max where they're at that this happened. So five hundred thousand for
• 58:09
  an adult life, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for terminating someone because they
• 58:17
  refuse to harm their child. Now, could they get together a class action
• 58:27
  lawsuit? Absolutely, but we all know it's going to take a lot.
• 58:32
  So I was very disturbed. Now the one positive thing, uh oh hh's
• 58:40
  being wonderful. Brought me some ice. You could leave high up, stuck
• 58:45
  a handover. He brought me some ice. I will say, if it's
• 58:53
  true and they're not just talking smack, they are hiring some people to come
• 59:00
  into the organization and focus on humanitarian responsibilities. Now are they We will just
• 59:13
  have to wait and see if that's an actual thing or if they're just talking
• 59:19
  the talk. Are they hiring people into their organization or are they hiring a
• 59:24
  third party? They're hiring a third party, okay, okay, okay,
• 59:30
  because a third party would have a reputation, yes, in which they would
• 59:34
  have to do the work. So they are also yeah, I don't get
• 59:39
  political on thirteenth. So for those of you who are surprised, Uh,
• 59:43
  don't be this is what happens my bad and I don't want to let this
• 59:52
  go by without paying attention to it. And also hitting because that's her nickname.
• 1:00:04
  I love that because I was wanting to go to oh right, the
• 1:00:09
  whole husband. I had to ask for ice to see if it would help
• 1:00:14
  this one, because he was like, I'm not opening you another bottle.
• 1:00:19
  You haven't finished that one. And I don't want to be mean and say,
• 1:00:27
  you know, there's a real weirdd and I'll get to my ks in
• 1:00:31
  one moment. There's a real weird smack in the face. When some of
• 1:00:36
  the things that happen on a channel or some of the things that start just
• 1:00:38
  become kind of part of the lexicon. It's a really weird situation. Yeah,
• 1:00:49
  I said my whole wife today, or my whole partner rather, I
• 1:00:52
  said today at work, and people were very confused, So what are you
• 1:00:58
  gonna do? What are you gonna do? Well, you know it.
• 1:01:01
  They just leave them wondering because I actually somebody and I'm not gonna say who.
• 1:01:09
  They were like, and I'm gonna try not to say his name,
• 1:01:14
  but my husband. Basically, they said, does he know about AHH.
• 1:01:22
  And I literally was like what I mean because I was back in my hometown
• 1:01:27
  a couple weeks ago, and they're like, yeah, does he know about
• 1:01:30
  AHH? And I was like, I'm not sure I understand the question.
• 1:01:37
  Does your husband know that you have a side piece? I just went,
• 1:01:42
  oh, God, no, okay, I said, just so you know,
• 1:01:46
  H just handsome hobby and she looked at me and she goes oh.
• 1:01:55
  I was just like, okay, what else did HH stand for? Hotty?
• 1:02:07
  I don't know, but I was literally and she goes, well,
• 1:02:13
  Megan Markle calls her husband h and I was like why. Obviously wasn't referring
• 1:02:20
  to Harry, But it was just interesting that it's like, I'm gonna have
• 1:02:32
  to tease HH until him that's really what it stands for. And I just
• 1:02:37
  never told him. You got it from me. So it's just interesting that
• 1:02:42
  people that you kind of know but they don't know you real well, but
• 1:02:47
  they listen to the pod or they see stuff and they just draw these own
• 1:02:52
  conclusions in their mind. Like I had someone send me a message and say,
• 1:02:59
  how you announce that you've been married five times? And I was like,
• 1:03:06
  I haven't been was I drinking, and then I realized it's because I
• 1:03:09
  mentioned my mother in law's been married five times. Thanks, people hear what
• 1:03:15
  they want to hear. Now as sure means that there's an Eph Holmes.
• 1:03:24
  Well, my HH has been my HH for nineteen years. I've called him
• 1:03:31
  that, So it was before it became a thing. That's what I say
• 1:03:37
  about I was JT before justin Timberlake was JT. So take that, daddy
• 1:03:43
  pop, all right, So before we get into your case, I want
• 1:03:49
  to know if anyone else has seen this show that I am now obsessed with
• 1:03:54
  that I have now become a stalker, trafficked with Murray Anna then Zeller.
• 1:04:01
  She does black market stuff for National Geographic. If you haven't watched it,
• 1:04:11
  h H and I watch an episode a couple of times a week. She
• 1:04:16
  is phenomenal and I want to be her she We just watched one on ghost
• 1:04:28
  guns, and I have to tell you the fact that it is legal to
• 1:04:35
  make ghost guns, ship them in a box like an akia furniture because it's
• 1:04:42
  not considered a gun if it's not assembled, send it to the person with
• 1:04:46
  the instructions of how to assemble it, and it's legal. And one of
• 1:04:50
  the biggest players is here in Austin. But her coverage, she gets these
• 1:05:00
  criminals to trust her. You have. I mean, there's black market babies,
• 1:05:08
  there's drugs, there's She is phenomenal, and I hope she. In
• 1:05:16
  fact, I center a thing saying that she needs to investigate black market food
• 1:05:21
  processing. That's a good idea. That's a good idea. You know,
• 1:05:29
  I would be I would be shocked about the whole gun thing. But at
• 1:05:35
  this point, right now, weapons have more rights than women. So I
• 1:05:45
  mean, well, I but just the loopholes and things, and that may
• 1:05:56
  not be spelled correctly, but I mean I to her on Instagram, on
• 1:06:00
  Facebook, National Geographic, I found her email address. I sent her an
• 1:06:04
  email. She puts her life in danger, and I will tell you what
• 1:06:10
  I found out about cocaine has just totally changed my mind. I always thought
• 1:06:18
  it came from cocoa leaves and it was somewhat pure like marijuana. Not that
• 1:06:24
  I run out and do cocaine. It is made with acid, gasoline,
• 1:06:30
  ammonia. The stuff they do with this, I don't know how anybody puts
• 1:06:38
  that stuff in their body. But she literally goes in and they trust her.
• 1:06:48
  She goes yes, she did gang culture. It's phenomenal. I don't
• 1:06:58
  know what happened, but I just saw in her Instagram she just went back
• 1:07:01
  out on the road. They're filming their next season. They got stuck in
• 1:07:05
  the country for a little bit because there's some issues. I mean, she
• 1:07:12
  went to the border of Ukraine and Syria on the episode we watched last night
• 1:07:18
  for black market oil. Not oil being done like we do in Texas with
• 1:07:25
  the oil rigs and then we process it. People are doing it from the
• 1:07:29
  ground, cooking it theirself in vats and then taking it it. I will
• 1:07:38
  just tell you, if you're into true crime, you should watch this because
• 1:07:43
  it made me realize there's much more crimes going on than what's out in the
• 1:07:49
  general news that we read about. I never thought about the billions of dollars
• 1:07:59
  and the people losing their lives to process oil out of the ground. So
• 1:08:08
  it's just a great show. So I'll get off my little soapbox on her.
• 1:08:13
  But I have a girl crush. That's fair. She's ballsy. I
• 1:08:20
  told HH. I said she got bigger balls than most men banged up a
• 1:08:27
  bride. I think, to be honest with you, I mean, I
• 1:08:34
  think I'm ballsy at times, but I don't know. If she's in a
• 1:08:39
  foreign country and she has a very small team she's going now, she's not
• 1:08:45
  American, she is from Portugal. She lives in la But you definitely it's
• 1:08:55
  shocking. What I love is the respect and kindness she has for these criminals
• 1:09:02
  because she wants to know why they do it, and they're in these countries
• 1:09:11
  that it's that are starve, and so she's not judging them, but she
• 1:09:21
  does very gently and kindly say don't you worry about the people you're killing?
• 1:09:31
  You know? And she accepts when they say, do I let my children
• 1:09:36
  die? So she does it very well. I need to write down what
• 1:09:43
  was that banged up abroad? Hold On, I got to get a post
• 1:09:45
  tipnote. All right, well, are you ready for me? I'm always
• 1:09:59
  ready for you. I'm ready for nap. So taught me to sleep.
• 1:10:01
  I'm kidding, huh. I'll talk myself to sleep like I didn't last time.
• 1:10:10
  I wasn't gonna mention that. Oh. I actually reviewed that tape with
• 1:10:16
  a child psychologist that I work with, and she was if you go back
• 1:10:24
  and you see the end of me talking about the mortage, murders. You
• 1:10:27
  see my brain literally bluescreen, like literally shut down, restart and then try
• 1:10:32
  to catch itself as if it never happened. And that's why. Yeah,
• 1:10:36
  it's just bad. So that was very scary for me. But when it
• 1:10:44
  means you need to do a better job of taking care of yourself and practicing
• 1:10:47
  self care and self love, is that that means because that's your bodies.
• 1:10:53
  It's like a computer restarting, it's your body saying I'm done. You've pushed
• 1:10:57
  me. Yeah, yeah, there's That's why I haven't had a show in
• 1:11:04
  the past couple of days. That in family stuff. So oh, so
• 1:11:11
  when we talked about white collar crimes, I had thought, well, there's
• 1:11:15
  Birdie made off. Hey, there's a lot of funny jokes you can make
• 1:11:19
  with made off he made off with money ha ha ha ha ha or Enron
• 1:11:24
  or something for that. Degree in run hurts, honey. I think of
• 1:11:29
  where I grew up in and but you know, there's something that that I
• 1:11:35
  always found interesting and I think a good chunk of it happened kind of before
• 1:11:41
  I was really paying attention, either because I was younger or whatever, and
• 1:11:45
  it's still happening today. And I will say this with full disclosure, Well,
• 1:11:51
  I'll tell you I'm talking about the tobacco industry. Uh, and I'll
• 1:11:58
  say this is mhmm, this with full disclosure? Is that? I mean
• 1:12:01
  I currently uh, I currently vate. I just getting ready to say are
• 1:12:09
  you about to call the cattle black? Yes? I am, but I'm
• 1:12:12
  also gonna call myself out too, Okay as long as you Yeah, I'm
• 1:12:17
  gonna own that for sure. I mean, if you haven't noticed on the
• 1:12:21
  stream, I'm surprised, but yeah, so I do. And uh I
• 1:12:28
  started it here. Here's the funny part. I spent forever trying to figure
• 1:12:32
  out when why it happened. And I started it right before the first little
• 1:12:36
  bruise crime was born with the thought of the thought of you know, I
• 1:12:45
  I can't control much right now in my life. And that was my really
• 1:12:53
  sad way of saying I I I can control this. And that was seven
• 1:13:00
  years ago. And it is not concealed. So you didn't smoke before then
• 1:13:09
  other than once or twice either cigarettes or four to twenty No, not at
• 1:13:18
  all. Oh that's interesting. Yeah, and uh and so it I've tried
• 1:13:28
  to stop multiple times with multiple different things and did you have a highly addictive
• 1:13:34
  personality. No, did your parents smoke? See I think, and this
• 1:13:41
  may sound weird, because my parents did. I'll never forget when we went
• 1:13:45
  to repaint the house and we took a picture off the wall and I saw
• 1:13:46
  the yellow. I was like, I always thought that was the color of
• 1:13:50
  our walls, and it was the nicotine. And I remember my grandmother got
• 1:13:56
  staples in her ears to stop smoking. Like staples, they put a staple
• 1:14:00
  gun and stapled her ears. Yeah. My, So that's the other thing
• 1:14:08
  that's really hard for me. Obviously, I am very much other focused,
• 1:14:14
  other centric. I don't know if that's the word or a phrase, but
• 1:14:16
  you know, my my grandmother from the age of like sixteen smoke or earlier,
• 1:14:23
  smoked like three packs a day. And I remember when she had passed
• 1:14:28
  away, which wasn't even from that although I'm sure her lungs were very dark.
• 1:14:32
  But it also happened that they didn't diagnose her in time or really at
• 1:14:38
  all with als. And we think that's what it was. But you know,
• 1:14:44
  when my parents were set to clean the house, uh, just the
• 1:14:50
  amount of work that it took, just like you said. And also there's
• 1:14:55
  something nostalgic about being young and growing up. And although she never smoked in
• 1:14:59
  in front of us, I mean when we weren't they are visiting, she
• 1:15:02
  smoked in the house, so it smelled like it, right, But uh,
• 1:15:08
  you know, I I don't know, I don't know. I feel
• 1:15:13
  so bad because you know, my dad grew up with that with his with
• 1:15:16
  his mom smoking and and and I know it probably kills him knowing that I
• 1:15:21
  do this. And there's no justification for vaping over cigarettes. There just isn't.
• 1:15:30
  I say, I know what's in it, but it's just it's worth
• 1:15:34
  because both of my kids vape. And I'll be honest, for somebody who
• 1:15:41
  has survived breast cancer, thyroid cancer, no varying cancer, it's tough.
• 1:15:48
  It it is tough. But I'm also smart enough to know I smoked.
• 1:15:53
  At one time. I went in for my first chemo treatment and I asked
• 1:15:58
  where I could light up, and the doctor looked at me and he goes,
• 1:16:02
  well, why don't you just leave if you're going to do that?
• 1:16:05
  Yeah, I mean I was twenty two and I was like, excuse that
• 1:16:11
  out of me? And he's like, well, if you're going to smoke
• 1:16:14
  a cigarette, why are we doing this? And I think back that I
• 1:16:21
  was, you know, had already had a child. I think it was
• 1:16:25
  just it got in the genetics. It was just it. I think if
• 1:16:30
  your parents smoked it or you were around it, it got into your body
• 1:16:34
  and your body craves it and you become addicted if you taste it that one
• 1:16:40
  time. Because I hate the taste, hate the smell, but man,
• 1:16:43
  there was something great about it. And I will still smoke on every New
• 1:16:46
  Year's Eve. Yeah, I mean I think I think for for for me
• 1:16:50
  personally, I know this is not this topic, but I mean for me
• 1:16:55
  personally, it's and at this point it's it's definitely more more than just okay.
• 1:17:01
  So I am super late to being diagnosed ADHD, and my brain was
• 1:17:10
  always looking for dopamine always, and so that's probably another situation where it allowed
• 1:17:19
  for that. I don't think it's allowing for that as much anymore. But
• 1:17:23
  my brain is so used to me doing this, doing this, and so
• 1:17:29
  there's just there, there's something that something needs to happen. Have you in
• 1:17:36
  this south crazy? But I have a friend who didn't get diagnosed with ADHD
• 1:17:45
  until ten fifteen years ago. She saying age as me, and she smoked
• 1:17:53
  and kind of that same thing. She went to a therapist type person and
• 1:18:00
  she started eating lollipops, but they had nicotine in them. They were some
• 1:18:08
  type of lollipop to lower the amount of nicotine, but it also did something
• 1:18:13
  with the effect. And then she got to where after so much time,
• 1:18:16
  it was like, okay, you do that. Now you have to drink
• 1:18:18
  water, and you can't have this till you drink the water. And so
• 1:18:23
  it became a rotation thing and now she works out, she's in the gym.
• 1:18:29
  She's now God vegetarian on me. She think God still drinks wine,
• 1:18:35
  but well, and it was all about the muscle memory as well as the
• 1:18:43
  body Menmory and like, I have this thing that I just am trying called
• 1:18:48
  fume and basically it's like natural flavors and it's it's like a vape, but
• 1:18:56
  there's nothing in it, right, there's nothing in it. There's nothing in
• 1:18:59
  it, and it's not even a vapor. It's literally just basically you're inhaling
• 1:19:02
  air. What I need, No, not at all. It's all natural
• 1:19:09
  stuff. I mean, it's it's it's just hot air, like for instance,
• 1:19:12
  sparkling green. It's not even hot air. It's just your drawing air
• 1:19:15
  through past this thing that's spiked with like white cranberry and crisp mint and sparkling
• 1:19:18
  grapefruit. And so you have this and you have the inhale. The problem
• 1:19:25
  is is that I just need to focus on that more so than the other
• 1:19:28
  thing. So here we are. I wonder if they would do that with
• 1:19:31
  lavender in it, because lavender's calming. Lavender is an option, I think,
• 1:19:38
  is that I So, yeah, I believe. So I have to
• 1:19:41
  check. But it's something that I have and it costs me money, but
• 1:19:47
  so I just need to give out one. It's just one of those things.
• 1:19:53
  I mean, like me, I of the last people in this world
• 1:19:58
  should ever smoke anything. I know that smart enough to know that. But
• 1:20:05
  I was at my bestie's house two weeks ago, she smokes. Guess what
• 1:20:09
  I did. I had a cigarette. I had a cigarette. But I
• 1:20:16
  won't let myself have that second one because if I have a second one,
• 1:20:21
  I won't stop. And it's and it's not so much that I enjoy it,
• 1:20:29
  it's just it takes me back to a time in my life when it
• 1:20:31
  was simple. I didn't have to worry. I know that sounds crazy,
• 1:20:36
  but it does something in me, and it's like, oh my god,
• 1:20:41
  do you remember when you were tiny and you did this and you didn't hurt
• 1:20:45
  all over and life didn't suck. So I think there is that nostalgia to
• 1:20:49
  it. Yeah, no, for sure. And I mean the last thing
• 1:20:55
  I'll say is, you know, the whole vaping thing. I mean,
• 1:20:58
  it's just it's not something that's limited to just doing it outside. I mean
• 1:21:05
  it's it's it's not something that, to a degree actually, for the most
• 1:21:12
  part, doesn't leave a lasting I don't have anything that has like the massive
• 1:21:15
  smoke plumes, right. I used to, But isn't it worse I don't
• 1:21:19
  have that anymore for your lungs Or is it just like, oh, with
• 1:21:24
  me have an asthma that vapes would be absolutely not good for me because my
• 1:21:34
  lungs are already damaged. And I know my kids always tell me es are
• 1:21:40
  better and I'm like, I don't know. It's still nicotine but in their
• 1:21:45
  oils or something in vapes. Anything that I say right now is going to
• 1:21:50
  sound like I'm excusing it now. I don't want anybody to confuse or misconstrue
• 1:21:55
  what I'm about to say, because it is still terrible for you right now.
• 1:22:01
  So is wine. Well, wine's not good for you either, But
• 1:22:08
  like, okay, so what I have right now is a mass produced vape.
• 1:22:13
  It's probably terrible. It probably has a bunch of terrible crap in it.
• 1:22:17
  Uh. Before I moved to that because it's more economical, which is
• 1:22:23
  really stupid to say, considering that I'm still doing it. Uh. I
• 1:22:29
  live near where a company called a Veil was created, and a Veil was
• 1:22:34
  a vape business, and they created their own quote unquote juices for the vape
• 1:22:41
  that only involved like three ingredients. And that's something that I trusted and something
• 1:22:46
  that you know, I watched them do in their actual factory. And so
• 1:22:51
  while there was nicotine and there was you know, anything that you do that
• 1:22:57
  is more than what you should have as bad for you. And it's gonna
• 1:23:00
  lead to that no matter what you do, because there's nicotine involved and there's
• 1:23:05
  no there's no good outcome. But if I know, I guess for me,
• 1:23:11
  my excuse was, I know what's in it, I know what the
• 1:23:14
  ingredients are. I've seen it done, so it's fine. It's not fine.
• 1:23:19
  I can tell you that it's not fine. Six seven years later,
• 1:23:23
  not fine, not fine. But I there are so many things that I
• 1:23:33
  mean, I got cancer. I already had the cancer, just didn't know
• 1:23:43
  it before I smoked. I never smoked, and it most likely wasn't from
• 1:23:49
  my parents. It's because my parents grew up near refineries up in the Golden
• 1:23:56
  Triangle area of Texas. So you look at wine is not good for you.
• 1:24:00
  It kills your liver. There's a lot of things, and I'm the
• 1:24:05
  person that believes in balance and balancing things. Smoking isn't great. If you
• 1:24:15
  can find a way to still live a happy, healthy life without it,
• 1:24:19
  great, Just don't get to three packs a day. If you get to
• 1:24:24
  three packs a day, we're going to have to do an intervention. Oh
• 1:24:28
  yeah, and then I will stay. For myself, I'd probably take it.
• 1:24:34
  At this point, I want to say that I am. I am
• 1:24:38
  seeing as we're talking, I'm seeing stories of folks that have quit. I'm
• 1:24:42
  seeing stories of folks that are quitting currently. I'm seeing so those are super
• 1:24:46
  inspirational to me, and I appreciate you all sharing your stories those I don't
• 1:24:53
  take those things for granted, and I know Terry doesn't either, so don't
• 1:24:57
  think I'm ignoring them by not bringing them up on the screen. You were
• 1:25:00
  just having a conversation. So hopefully that's okay. Now. I will one
• 1:25:04
  advice, and anybody who's quit probably knows this better. If you do decide
• 1:25:11
  to quit, make sure miss brewe Crime is on board, because just like
• 1:25:20
  when you quit eating sugar, uh huh, you people would come not so
• 1:25:28
  nice and it brings on a little different personality for a while. I've become
• 1:25:32
  a big old beie and I really don't want to have to cover your murder
• 1:25:40
  because she kills you. So just make sure that you know. I do
• 1:25:45
  think, and I'm sure you'll get into this. I do think the tobacco
• 1:25:50
  crime and the tobacco companies knew what they were doing. They knew they made
• 1:25:58
  a problem. And like I said, my parents smoked. It got into
• 1:26:02
  my blood, into my DNA, into my body that my body was like,
• 1:26:08
  oh, that's it's taught. So they did it on purpose, and
• 1:26:16
  unfortunately, like with a lot of addictions, it's really hard to stop them.
• 1:26:23
  It can be done, but you also have to think of your loved
• 1:26:26
  ones too. It's very true, very true. Maybe you send missus brue
• 1:26:31
  crime in the littles, it's a Hawaii for a year. Yeah, quit,
• 1:26:40
  Let's just make sure they're safe before you do it, for sure.
• 1:26:46
  So let let's let me, let me hop into this. So, the
• 1:26:49
  tobacco industry has long has a long and controversial history, and it's marred by
• 1:26:55
  allegations. Wow wow, teleprompter that I just put together. That is way
• 1:27:00
  too fast. I talk fast, but that's insane. Okay, slide it
• 1:27:05
  to the turtle. It's more light it to the turtle. It's marred by
• 1:27:10
  allegations of unethical practices, misleading advertising, and manipulative strategies that have led to
• 1:27:15
  widespread addiction, illness, and loss of life. So we're going to talk
• 1:27:18
  about the various crimes committed by the tobacco industry. We're gonna talk about issues
• 1:27:21
  like deceptive marketing, suppression of scientific evidence, lobbying tactics, targeting of vulnerable
• 1:27:27
  populations. And we're going to talk about this to shed light on the ethical
• 1:27:30
  and legal concerns surrounding the tobacco industry and stimulate basically a broader discussion on public
• 1:27:35
  health, corporate accountability, and control policies. So the tobacco industry has a
• 1:27:43
  long history, just a long history of employing deceptive marketing and advertising practices to
• 1:27:48
  promote its products. We've seen that before. The industry's deliberate targeting of youth
• 1:27:56
  and vulnerable populations raises ethical concerns and it contribut it's the perpetuation of addiction in
• 1:28:00
  undermines public health efforts. I will say this. You know, I do
• 1:28:05
  live in Richmond, Virginia, and you know, right down the road from
• 1:28:12
  me literally with a and it still has the massive, like square sign that
• 1:28:17
  looks like a cigarette pack is Marlborough, which is now Ultria, but Altria
• 1:28:27
  is still what it is. And you know, for those of you wondering,
• 1:28:31
  Altria is trying to push this whole pr campaign of we're stopping making cigarettes,
• 1:28:39
  but they're moving and they're creating secession kind of products, but they're moving
• 1:28:45
  into vaping. So same thing. It's still tobacco, right, It's the
• 1:28:50
  same thing. Yep, yep, No, for sure, it's still nicotine.
• 1:28:57
  So you know, that's just one example. But you know, one
• 1:28:59
  of the most significant crimes of the tobacco industry is its deliberate suppression. On
• 1:29:03
  top of everything else, it's deliberate suppression of scientific evidence regarding the cult risks
• 1:29:09
  associated with tobacco us. They've downplayed the dangers of smoking, They've manipulated research
• 1:29:14
  findings, they've casted doubt on established scientific consensus, and almost still on top
• 1:29:20
  of that, and I'm adding this, you know, I'm going off script.
• 1:29:24
  But just like just like vaccinations and masks and COVID became political, That's
• 1:29:30
  what happened here. That's what happened here, and they create they made science
• 1:29:36
  political. When you make science political, it becomes a problem. Yeah.
• 1:29:43
  They are notorious for their extensive lobbying efforts to influence legislation and regulatory agencies,
• 1:29:50
  and they used tactics to weaken or block tobacco control policies, such as opposing
• 1:29:54
  public smoking bans, fighting graphic warning labels, and seeking favorable trade agreements.
• 1:30:00
  The global impact of tobacco industries lobbying efforts on public health initiatives and international tobacco
• 1:30:03
  control treaties is also a problem, and they have faced numerous lawsuits seeking to
• 1:30:11
  hold them accountable for the harms caused by their products. And we're going to
• 1:30:15
  talk about one of them in a little bit here, So can I interrupt
• 1:30:19
  real quick, and you may be getting to this. If you are,
• 1:30:21
  let me know. I remember when there used to be cigarette commercials on TV
• 1:30:30
  and then they went away? Yep, yep. Do you talk about when
• 1:30:38
  they went away or or how. I'm just curious what made what law ruling
• 1:30:47
  came in that finally trumped their money that they were spending to make it okay,
• 1:30:55
  because like I said, I mean, I grew up thinking they were
• 1:30:58
  cool. Everybody on TV that was cool with smoking, those cute little slims,
• 1:31:04
  and then all of a sudden they went away. The commercials. They
• 1:31:10
  they started out with the cowboy right, which is like your your you're what
• 1:31:16
  is the word I'm looking for? Hold on hegemonic masculinity, That's what I'm
• 1:31:20
  looking for. That's a big old phrase of saying, your traditional male stereotype
• 1:31:26
  of the cowboy right, you're a many But on Yellowstone only Beth Dutton smokes,
• 1:31:32
  the men don't well and and and this is I'm trying not to go
• 1:31:40
  off track, but now I'm really I know, I want to talk about
• 1:31:42
  this real fast. No, it's okay. No, you hit a good
• 1:31:46
  point, because, uh, advertising has gone a different route, and so
• 1:31:51
  has media because the whole concept of the traditional masculine male and hegemonic masculinity and
• 1:31:59
  what's cool and what makes you a dude, it's changing, whether people like
• 1:32:04
  it or not. And so you used to have the Cowboy films right with
• 1:32:08
  John Wayne, and that was like, that was it. And I spent
• 1:32:13
  my junior year of college doing a media analysis or media crit analysisis of The
• 1:32:19
  Departed. And I don't know if you've seen that movie That Departed. It's
• 1:32:24
  guy like Leo DiCaprio and Jack Jack, Jeez, Jack, I don't think
• 1:32:30
  Nicholson. Oh so good, so long, it's a Martin Scorsese but so
• 1:32:35
  long, but so good. And what's interesting is that in that film,
• 1:32:41
  if you take the qualities of hegemonic masculinity and you apply it, every single
• 1:32:46
  male that that that that displayed all of the characteristics in that film died.
• 1:32:56
  And the couple that were missing some things or had questioned nimble or seemingly fake
• 1:33:02
  displays of this of these characteristics, nothing happened to him. And again this
• 1:33:09
  is a stretch. Martin Scossei did not sit down and say I'm going to
• 1:33:12
  totally battle herotic masculinity by doing this, but it's really interesting to me that
• 1:33:17
  way. And so things are changing. But you'll see you'll see now,
• 1:33:21
  I mean and you see, well, not now because the advertisements aren't there,
• 1:33:24
  but it kind of shifted from the whole cowboy thing to parties and hanging
• 1:33:29
  out with friends and social stuff, and so like there's a you see this
• 1:33:33
  movement. So I'm trying to Okay, So, according to the World Health
• 1:33:46
  Organization as of September twenty twenty one, and we might hit these a couple
• 1:33:54
  more times, but approximately one point three billion people worldwider smokers. That's twenty
• 1:33:59
  percent of the globe population. And that's abacco related. Uh well, I
• 1:34:04
  mean that's a lot of people, as a lot of people, but I
• 1:34:09
  really thought it was more like forty percent, maybe just in Texas. I
• 1:34:13
  feel that well, I bet you was just sounds okay. Yeah, So
• 1:34:25
  tobacco related deaths, it's responsible for more than eight million deaths each year.
• 1:34:29
  As I sit here with a eight pen, this is really ironic. It
• 1:34:33
  includes around seven million deaths from direct tobacco use and one point two million deaths
• 1:34:39
  due to exposure to secondhand smoke. It's linked to thirty percent of all cancer
• 1:34:45
  deaths It's a major cause of lung cancer, contributing to around eighty five percent
• 1:34:49
  of all cases in the US alone. It was estimated that smoking related cancers
• 1:34:54
  led to over one hundred and thirty thousand deaths annually. It also increases is
• 1:35:02
  the risk of heart I'm this, I know this sounds like a PSA.
• 1:35:05
  It's not. I'm just trying to bring some some weight to it. I
• 1:35:14
  think fact it's also are always good. I agree, facts are good.
• 1:35:23
  It is a primary cause of COPD, which is chronic obstructive pulmonary disease,
• 1:35:28
  and it's estimated to account for eighty percent of cop related deaths. COPD related
• 1:35:32
  deaths, and let's see smoking during pregnancies linked to various complications, including pre
• 1:35:45
  term birth, low birth rate. Seven percent of all infant deaths in twenty
• 1:35:49
  to thirty percent of low birth rate babies are attributed to maternal smoking. Also,
• 1:35:56
  the economic costs are substantial. In the US, smoking related health care
• 1:36:01
  costs and productivity losses are estimated to exceed three hundred billion dollars annually. I
• 1:36:05
  don't really care about productivity losses. They don't pay me enough to care about
• 1:36:10
  that. I don't pay anybody enough to care about that, But in terms
• 1:36:14
  of health care costs, smoking prevalence varies by socio economic status and ethnicity.
• 1:36:20
  Disadvantaged populations have higher smoking rates, leading to health disparities, and nicotine is
• 1:36:27
  highly addictive and they can take multiple attempts for individuals to quit successfully. HI
• 1:36:34
  the relapse rate for people attempting to quit can be as high as eighty percent.
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  So if you are indeedeed ahead of the game and you're that twenty percent,
• 1:36:45
  keep on keeping on. Please. Yeah, it is important to note
• 1:36:53
  that efforts to reduce I was gonna say I had heard, and I don't
• 1:36:59
  know if this is true, So I don't know if you're going to cover
• 1:37:00
  it that it's harder to quit smoking than it is to quit some drugs.
• 1:37:05
  Not talking about heroin and the ones that are severely addictive, but I just
• 1:37:11
  know I've heard that it's harder to quit smoking than it is to quit drinking
• 1:37:17
  and to you know, quit some drugs talk about I think that's probably true.
• 1:37:24
  I don't know if I have anything specifically in here in comparison comparing contrast,
• 1:37:30
  but I like it. I mean, for me, if if I'm
• 1:37:31
  just thinking about it at the base level. You know, drinking is something
• 1:37:36
  that, yes, you can do that everywhere, sure if you try hard
• 1:37:40
  enough, and a lot of people who do have that challenge and that hurdle.
• 1:37:45
  Good God, if you've ever tuned into intervention and somebody has an alcohol
• 1:37:49
  addiction, I mean, they're carrying it with them, they're opening them up
• 1:37:53
  as they walk, they're you know, it's really sad, but you know
• 1:38:00
  it's smoking is one of those things where although now it's kind of like,
• 1:38:04
  you know, people look at it and you can't do it in bars and
• 1:38:06
  things like that anymore, for the most part part, you can still do
• 1:38:12
  it anywhere, you know what I mean, Like, you can still do
• 1:38:15
  it anywhere. And so it's not something that you are barred. Can not
• 1:38:19
  vape in bars, in restaurants. I mean it's no, I mean not
• 1:38:25
  not here in this state. I see people covertly doing it all the time.
• 1:38:33
  Oh I saw people vaping at the concert I was at a few weeks
• 1:38:36
  ago. But they're not supposed to righte that that that's against the law.
• 1:38:42
  The law, Okay, Like some people will do what they call zeroing,
• 1:38:50
  and so they will inhale, they will hold it for a long time and
• 1:38:54
  then xxtale does not result in smoke, but they're still exhaling and they're still
• 1:38:59
  doing oh so more. You know, there could be more recent statistics available
• 1:39:13
  now. So in terms of the crimes of the tobacco industry, they raise
• 1:39:19
  important questions about corporate accountability, the role of government regulation. There are ethical
• 1:39:26
  and legal frameworks that can be employed to hold the industry accountable for its actions.
• 1:39:30
  So in terms of that right, you have regulatory frameworks, so tobacco
• 1:39:34
  control laws, so governments can enact comprehensive tobacco control laws that restrict advertising,
• 1:39:41
  sales to minors, and smoking in public places, and those laws protect the
• 1:39:45
  public from the harms of tobacco use. Federally, I don't know if actually
• 1:39:51
  I don't know if not smoking inside certain places as a federal law. I
• 1:39:57
  think it's state by state because they're not going to do it federal because they
• 1:40:00
  get funded, right, they get paid, So there's that right overall,
• 1:40:11
  it helps protect the public. And the other thing you can do is taxation.
• 1:40:15
  Right, you increase taxes on tobacco products. Good grief. When that
• 1:40:18
  happens, the uproar is amazing. I mean, I wish people had an
• 1:40:24
  uproar about other things, just like they do when that happens. Some of
• 1:40:30
  the other things, graphic warning labels are helpful, and then product liability claims.
• 1:40:41
  False advertising laws are a big deal because legal actions can be taken against
• 1:40:45
  tobacco companies for false or deceptive advertising practices, particularly if they downplay health risks
• 1:40:50
  or use misleading descriptors like light, low tar, those kind of things.
• 1:40:58
  I mean, it makes people think, oh, it's fine, you know,
• 1:41:00
  but it's not. It's not so lower does low tar actually mean anything?
• 1:41:06
  Because I always thought low tar meant that it was better for you.
• 1:41:15
  So that's the problem, right, is that, yes, it might be,
• 1:41:23
  but it's still the same nicotine. Yeah, so it might have lower
• 1:41:30
  tar, which is a really weird thing to brag about, by the way.
• 1:41:32
  Oh, like we still have tar, but it's lower. It's a
• 1:41:39
  weird thing to brag about. But by saying low tar or light, you
• 1:41:44
  are saying that this is healthier for you than this other cigarette. But it's
• 1:41:49
  still a cigarette, you know what I mean. So it's yeah, it's
• 1:41:56
  yeah, no good. I I really this is how uneducated I am.
• 1:42:01
  I really thought it meant it was like the better. So this is a
• 1:42:08
  crazy analogy that you know, like beyond meat is supposed to be better for
• 1:42:13
  you because it's not meat, but yet the cholesterol is actually worse for a
• 1:42:17
  lot of people in it. But when I first heard of beyond meat,
• 1:42:21
  I was like, oh my god, that is so much better. We
• 1:42:24
  should always eat that all the time. Then all of a sudden, my
• 1:42:28
  cholesterol went up. I thought low tar meant every one cigarette you get to
• 1:42:34
  have like two or three more because it was that much better for you.
• 1:42:41
  So it's not another it's false. Okay, Yeah, And I mean sure,
• 1:42:47
  we don't. We don't have graphics. We have large bold print that
• 1:42:53
  says smoking causes cancer for the most part and you shouldn't do it. Yeah,
• 1:43:00
  where's where's the Kelly Kelly said, nobody reads labels, right, nobody
• 1:43:04
  reads labels. But do you know what's interesting about that? Do you remember
• 1:43:10
  maybe they were gone by the time you came around. We used to have
• 1:43:14
  candy cigarettes when I was a kid, and you had puffham and you can
• 1:43:17
  make smoke with them just like you were smoking. They banned those and took
• 1:43:23
  them off the shelf because it was targeting children to smoke. Right, So
• 1:43:30
  the smoking ones the ones that smoked I who were gone before before I was
• 1:43:36
  paying attention. The candy cigarettes, the actual candy ones were around for me
• 1:43:43
  before I was the age of ten. They're kind of gone unless you buy
• 1:43:45
  them at a very very specific type of store that sells like gags like Spencer's.
• 1:43:50
  Probably does Spencer's, but uh, you know, I don't know.
• 1:44:00
  It's it's interesting. So the other thing that would be really helpful, and
• 1:44:10
  there is some international agreements like the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control and it's a
• 1:44:15
  global treaty by the WHO, the World Health Organization that gives a framework for
• 1:44:19
  countries implement tobacco control measures. That includes advertising restrictions, packaging regulations, taxation
• 1:44:26
  that those are regulations that we're behind on graphics, like graphics on packaging.
• 1:44:31
  That is something that like the UK has picked up on and started doing.
• 1:44:35
  We don't do it. We don't do it, and I don't know when
• 1:44:40
  we will if we will. In terms of other considerations, specifically ethical,
• 1:44:45
  which we know business that's like low on their list. We heard it about
• 1:44:50
  Tyson right, public health ethics right. Governments and policymakers need to prioritize public
• 1:44:58
  health in their decision making. It needs to happen. It needs to happen.
• 1:45:03
  Beneficence, which is promoting well being, non maleficence which is due no
• 1:45:08
  harm. Justice, those things should guide policies, but it's not what happens.
• 1:45:13
  What guides policies. Lobbying. Lobbying guides policy. Money, problem money.
• 1:45:25
  Yeah, so in here you go. Here's a stat I just looked
• 1:45:31
  up. As of April twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, this year,
• 1:45:38
  from the beginning of the year, tobacco companies have already expended on like six
• 1:45:43
  point nine eight million dollars at the federal level alone. For lobbying, tobacco
• 1:45:49
  industry has two hundred and thirteen lobbyists registered at the federal level, eighty point
• 1:45:55
  seventy five percent of whom are former government employees likely to have increased access to
• 1:46:00
  highly influential people. So so, yeah, there's not a cap on how
• 1:46:10
  much they can spend, not that I've seen. I mean, if I
• 1:46:16
  mean, think about how much the NRA spends. Oh yeah, Kelly,
• 1:46:25
  the answer is yes, all the above. I laugh and I make a
• 1:46:30
  joke out of it, but that's because I'll cry if I don't. Oh,
• 1:46:34
  Shreen said she's she's sent me a picture of the packaging. Okay,
• 1:46:41
  all I've read, just send you a d M of pic is all I
• 1:46:49
  read. And I was like please, oh, yeah, this is what
• 1:46:56
  I found. I'll show the screen real quick so you guys can see this.
• 1:46:59
  I mean, this is how far the US is behind on things.
• 1:47:04
  Okay, I saw that when we were in Finland and the UK. Oh
• 1:47:11
  that is from UK. Yeah they yep, yeah, we're so. We
• 1:47:16
  will not have that in the US for a really long time, not at
• 1:47:24
  all, because for two reasons. One what I mentioned lobbying, but two,
• 1:47:28
  we hate having reality shoved in our face, correct, we just do.
• 1:47:33
  That is the last thing we want. We do not want to recognize.
• 1:47:38
  I mean, we can't even recognize the fact that global warming is a
• 1:47:40
  thing. Well, we don't want to be told with visuals. We we
• 1:47:47
  don't. We don't. We we prefer conspiracy theories. Oh for sure.
• 1:47:56
  I mean that's that's the problem, right, is that like we we don't
• 1:47:59
  even we don't like reality. No, he doesn't want to be approached with
• 1:48:05
  the fact that somebody won a political race, right, No, and they
• 1:48:12
  still don't agree. So in terms of understanding this, I think some case
• 1:48:17
  studies are helpful, and so we're going to hit a couple of these that
• 1:48:23
  just give kind of an in depth analysis of some of the more notorious things
• 1:48:27
  that happen. So the first thing is the Master Settlement Agreement, and that
• 1:48:32
  which is abbreviated MSA, is a landmark legal settlement that examined the deceptive marketing
• 1:48:38
  practices employed by the industry, and that includes you know, there was an
• 1:48:43
  emergence of internal documents that showed that the industry knew the health risks associated,
• 1:48:48
  but they didn't do anything about it. And I'm going to move away from
• 1:48:53
  this teleprompter because it's really hard because it doesn't divide the things up like I
• 1:48:57
  have it. It's unfortunate. So what you're saying is, basically, the
• 1:49:04
  tobacco companies were the original OXY people. They knew it was bad, they
• 1:49:13
  pushed it. Oxy just use their playbook, Okay, oh yeah, oh
• 1:49:19
  for sure. And and I'm sure Tobacco used somebody else's playbook who used some
• 1:49:25
  I mean, this is all deception and deceptions. Just yeah, it's smoking
• 1:49:31
  mirrors at the at the bottom line, you know, it's all the same
• 1:49:35
  kind of practices. Shit, we sorry, but we we get this in
• 1:49:44
  politics, you know, you see the same kind of stuff, But you
• 1:49:49
  know this, the MSA is significant because and it was reached in ninety eight
• 1:49:58
  and it was reached between major tobacco companies and forty six US states, the
• 1:50:01
  District of Columbia, and five territories. And so here are some of the
• 1:50:06
  things that came out of that MSA. Under the MSA, tobacco companies agreed
• 1:50:13
  to pay a substantial amount of money to participating states to settle lawsuits related to
• 1:50:17
  the health costs associated with smoking. The total settlement amounted to hundreds of billions
• 1:50:21
  of dollars over a period of twenty five years, which is literally nothing for
• 1:50:25
  these people. The MSA imposed strict limitations on tobacco industry marketing practices, including
• 1:50:32
  the use of cartoon characters and advertising, outdoor advertising your schools and playgrounds,
• 1:50:38
  and sponsoring of cultural and sporting events. I find it wild that Marlborough would
• 1:50:43
  sponsor a oh, I don't know, a marathon. So yeah, the
• 1:50:50
  worst thing about tobacco companies was that they held hold on paying laws. Yeah.
• 1:50:57
  Oh, oh, for I don't that's not surprising at all. Yeah,
• 1:51:01
  I'm sorry. I saw that when you were reading the dollar amount.
• 1:51:05
  They played the legal long game, and you don't have to pay out when
• 1:51:10
  the people are gone. Oh yeah, for sure, that was almost a
• 1:51:15
  given. So the agreement also included provisions aimed at reducing youth smoking rates,
• 1:51:21
  such as funding for anti smoking campaigns and establishing a national foundation dedicated to tobacco
• 1:51:27
  prevention and cessation programs. So instead they just created vaping. Right, get
• 1:51:32
  ready to say, wait a minute, but vaping flavors they're like blueberry,
• 1:51:41
  strawberry starbus. Isn't that for kids? So they got away with doing it
• 1:51:48
  again. Okay, oh oh yeah no. And and the reason why,
• 1:51:55
  right, the reason why? For so long vaping got and it's too late
• 1:51:58
  now. But there were no laws. This thing came out. Politics had
• 1:52:03
  no idea or the government had no idea how to how to hold them accountable,
• 1:52:06
  or they couldn't create in time. It's too late. So, you
• 1:52:14
  know, because things moved super slow in the legal system, everything seems reactive.
• 1:52:19
  Nothing is nothing. Nothing is proactive, primarily because they couldn't see it
• 1:52:26
  coming, but also because it's not fast enough. I mean, tobacco company.
• 1:52:31
  When I was in high school, my freshman year of a high school
• 1:52:36
  is the year they pulled out the smoking lounge. There was a smoking lounge
• 1:52:45
  in the snack bar area of the high school, and when I came in
• 1:52:49
  my freshman year, they had pulled it out, and let me tell you,
• 1:52:53
  there was a lot of pissed off people. I remember being a kid
• 1:53:00
  in walking through Tokyo Airport and there was a smoking section and it was closed
• 1:53:04
  behind glass, right, And it wasn't like a wall where you couldn't see
• 1:53:09
  anything. It was literally like glass flating doors and like glass windows, and
• 1:53:13
  you could see through it. I don't know what the point of that was,
• 1:53:15
  but the idea was that with a window, you can see through it,
• 1:53:21
  but you couldn't in the room, not at all. So, you
• 1:53:28
  know, I don't see those anymore. Really, I'm sure they still exist
• 1:53:32
  somewhere, I'm sure. So we also talked earlier about internal documents. This
• 1:53:39
  is when companies were required to disclose internal documents that should light on their knowledge
• 1:53:43
  of the health risks associated, and they still marketed the way they did.
• 1:53:48
  And then it also established a mechanism to enforce compliance with its terms and resolve
• 1:53:54
  disputes between the states and tobacco companies. I don't think it worked, but
• 1:53:57
  it was a big step in holding them accountable, and it led substantial financial
• 1:54:03
  compensation for states and initiated important changes in tobacco advertising and prevention efforts. And
• 1:54:10
  to be honest with you, even if all that thing did was stop them
• 1:54:14
  from advertising as much as they were, I mean it is a win,
• 1:54:18
  right. I mean, you have to win the small battles to try to
• 1:54:26
  win the wars. All. I keep trying to be that positive person.
• 1:54:30
  Little baby steps. It was something. But now if my biggest thing is
• 1:54:41
  they knew what it was going to be, they could have done something different,
• 1:54:49
  lessened the amount. I don't know. I'm no, no, absolutely,
• 1:54:57
  I mean there are things that could be done. They won't do them,
• 1:55:00
  but they could be now. I mean like they won't. They won't
• 1:55:03
  let us drink and a freeze. They tell us a a freeze as bad.
• 1:55:09
  They put a label on it saying do not drink even though it tastes
• 1:55:12
  good right me, They know it's bad for us. They tell us not
• 1:55:17
  to drink it. Right. You see where I'm going? Oh yeah,
• 1:55:25
  oh one percent, one hundred percent. Uh, this next bit's gonna piss
• 1:55:29
  you off. If it didn't if you're not already. The other issue is
• 1:55:32
  the manipulation of nicotine levels, and that's notorious in terms of crime, is
• 1:55:39
  committed by tobacco industry, and that basically the industry has deliberate efforts to control
• 1:55:45
  nicotine levels and cigarettes and they you know, they they manipulate. They have
• 1:55:54
  a manipulation of nicotine content to enhance addiction and maintain customer loyalty, as well
• 1:56:00
  as legal and public health implications of these actions. What what what whoa Hm.
• 1:56:06
  There's different levels of nicotine and the cigarettes they're not all the same.
• 1:56:12
  So like, this tells me how much that alcohol volume is. Do cigarettes
• 1:56:19
  do that? I I knew vapes you could get different levels, but cigarettes
• 1:56:26
  are different levels. I thought they only had different strovers. So I'll give
• 1:56:30
  you an example, and this is from Government lab dot gov. Uh Kent.
• 1:56:38
  Well, let's say Kent cigarettes have a have a nicotine yield, which
• 1:56:44
  is milligrams per cigarette of point one. If you go all the way down
• 1:56:48
  to the bottom of the list and you go to Winston, which are Winston
• 1:56:51
  Reds or Marlboro Reds, it's a point nine, so and and and and
• 1:56:59
  there are others cigarettes like, I've never heard of this brand, but furong
• 1:57:01
  Swang or forrong Wing is one point one. And not only do they have
• 1:57:05
  different levels of nicotine, but they also have different yields of tar as well.
• 1:57:12
  And of course the higher the nicotine, the more tar. So in
• 1:57:15
  terms of tar, they measure that in milligrams per cigarette. And where you're
• 1:57:19
  looking is the more nicotine you have, the more tar. So there's Winston
• 1:57:24
  more Red cigarettes, which are I guess they're called twenties. It's twenties box.
• 1:57:30
  They have one point zero in terms of milligrams per cigarette nicotine and also
• 1:57:36
  thirteen milligrams per cigarette of tar. So yes, I mean, I know
• 1:57:46
  what show I'm doing. I was like, there is no judgment on wine.
• 1:57:55
  Wine is wine, and his box wine tastes better than this. It's
• 1:58:00
  actually really this. This is really good with ice. But I never knew
• 1:58:05
  that in how Yeah, Like everybody knows alcohol tells you the volume. Why
• 1:58:14
  isn't that put prevalently on the packages. I literally thought all of them were
• 1:58:23
  the same. If you got my dad smoked palm al red without filters.
• 1:58:28
  My mom smoked Ralli with filters because she didn't want to get the pieces in
• 1:58:31
  her teeth. But they said they were both the same, they just had
• 1:58:36
  a different flavor. But you're saying the nicotine content is different, Yes it
• 1:58:44
  is, and the tar and wow, so that's des ful. Oh that
• 1:58:53
  would be like saying beer and wine is the exact same, because it's not.
• 1:59:00
  I can drink ten beers compared, you know, to three glasses of
• 1:59:05
  wine. Yeah, I mean and and and then that is one of the
• 1:59:12
  only differences I think between vaping is that when you go to a store and
• 1:59:18
  you say, I need these whatever they call them pods, Right, they
• 1:59:24
  come in like three percent, five percent, eight percent nicotine, and so
• 1:59:29
  you know, well you know at least that's how they Wait a minute,
• 1:59:32
  but a cigarettes point one and the vape is three percent no no, no,
• 1:59:40
  no no no. So so the the cigarettes measurement was in milligrams per
• 1:59:44
  cigarette, right, one milogram per cigarette? The okay, the percentage is
• 1:59:50
  how much in that pod is nicotine? Okay? So yeah, and and
• 1:59:58
  again that doesn't make it any bet. That means I should know better.
• 2:00:00
  Even more so, right, is that I know what I'm doing. I
• 2:00:04
  know what I'm to a degree what I'm getting. So yes, but it's
• 2:00:13
  they set it up so that it's like cheesecake. If you eat cheesecake and
• 2:00:17
  you like it, you're gonna want more. I mean, this is also
• 2:00:26
  very true. This was also the thing that got me is that I started
• 2:00:30
  at zero because you can vape zero nicotine. It's just smoke, you can,
• 2:00:34
  babe, It's still got shit in it, I'm sure, but it's
• 2:00:38
  it's zero, right, And then ye move slowly up three five eight?
• 2:00:44
  One can I ask why? Is it just because you want to try the
• 2:00:47
  next thing? Oh? What's the difference? Or oh yeah, so it
• 2:00:55
  has a lot to do with So it has a lot to do with dopamine.
• 2:00:59
  Right, You hit the vape even at zero, and that dopamine hit
• 2:01:05
  is almost dizzying. And as you do that more, it becomes basic and
• 2:01:10
  nothing happens, and then all of a sudden, you've got it. You're
• 2:01:14
  not supposed to move up, dummy. You're right, no kidding, I
• 2:01:17
  did listen. Listen. I totally hear you on that. I am not
• 2:01:21
  offended. That is true. To build a tolerance here, build a tolerance,
• 2:01:25
  right, so that dopamine hit goes way down, and then you have
• 2:01:29
  to find it. So you find that next level of nicotine. You're like
• 2:01:31
  that three percent not pad and then eventually that so I at a certain point
• 2:01:36
  was up to one of the higher levels. You know, being down at
• 2:01:40
  five percent for me is a big deal, But that doesn't mean that it's
• 2:01:45
  any better for me. Right again, this is that you've come down advertising.
• 2:01:48
  It's a step. It's a step. It is it is, but
• 2:01:54
  typically right, I didn't realize they were cheat. Yeah, so like you
• 2:02:02
  come down, but you also increase the amount to match it. Right,
• 2:02:08
  So it's easy. Oh, this is all. This is all a process.
• 2:02:16
  So the the industry also targets developing countries with aggressive marketing and sales tactics.
• 2:02:25
  They've done exploita exploitative strategies in regions like Brazil, India, Indonesia and
• 2:02:31
  uh, you know, they promote in those regions there's less in terms of
• 2:02:38
  the law, so they promote smoking amongst youth, target women as a new
• 2:02:42
  consumer base of aide regulartory measures. It's bad, it's bad, and and
• 2:02:48
  now that and now that we've hit this certain point, I do I do
• 2:02:54
  have specific things about e cigarettes or vapes. It's new new challenge and concerns
• 2:03:00
  and the tobacco industry has been involved in this and marketing it and regulation of
• 2:03:05
  it, which is really not really regulation, and the promotion as a as
• 2:03:10
  a quote safer alternative, right, which is what I've said before, is
• 2:03:14
  that what I say to you about the three ingredients or whatever does not mean
• 2:03:18
  it's better for you, just means I know what's in it, which means
• 2:03:21
  I should notice stop. So so in terms of and as of September,
• 2:03:32
  you know, let's just talk about a couple full of things. And I
• 2:03:35
  realized that I'm probably a part of some of these stats. In the US,
• 2:03:40
  the National Youth Tobacco Survey found that in twenty twenty, three point six
• 2:03:44
  million middle and middle and high school students were current e cigarette users, which
• 2:03:48
  means that they used e cigarettes within the last thirty days, and it's been
• 2:03:56
  on the rise dramatically since then. Amongst adult the National Health Interview Survey for
• 2:04:02
  twenty twenty, approximately four point five percent of adults were vape vapors, or
• 2:04:08
  e cigarette users. And in terms of reasons, many individuals turn to that
• 2:04:15
  as smoking cessation tool or to reduce tobacco smoking, but a significant portion of
• 2:04:20
  e cigarette users, particularly youth, have reported trying e cigarettes out of curiosity
• 2:04:27
  due to what the appealing flavors. So you know it. It's predatory.
• 2:04:36
  It's predatory for sure. Now, I just thought maybe they should come out
• 2:04:45
  I do. Maybe they should come out with a dog poop flavor and market
• 2:04:53
  that or add a little bit of dog poop flavor at all of them.
• 2:04:56
  Do you think people would stop? No, because just think about ultimately,
• 2:05:04
  if you're not addicted to things like cigarettes, if you've never had a cigarette
• 2:05:08
  in your life, what does it taste like? Yeah, it tastes pretty
• 2:05:14
  shitty. It really does. I mean it tastes pretty shitty and so and
• 2:05:18
  so whether they did that or not, right, it's people are still going
• 2:05:25
  to find a way because ultimately you continue to do this, your taste buds
• 2:05:28
  and your senses, the sensory, it all goes you forget. Yeah,
• 2:05:32
  and so do the four twenty vabes have nicotine in them? No? No,
• 2:05:41
  I don't think. I don't say there's no THHC. Yes, uh
• 2:05:46
  no, I'll shunko answer. Well, she just posted about the jelly beans.
• 2:05:55
  I went to the jelly Belly factory tour when we lived in California.
• 2:06:00
  I tried the skunk win and the vomit and I have to tell you they're
• 2:06:06
  really good with their flavorings. But yeah, I just didn't know if they
• 2:06:13
  also had nicotine in them. So they're primarily THHC CBD from a plant,
• 2:06:18
  which tobacco is to but so like also, well that's why I asked,
• 2:06:23
  is there nicotine in it? Well, and that's the other thing is that
• 2:06:28
  I'm not saying that that's a cessation strategy. No, But what I am
• 2:06:32
  saying is you're literally making illegal something that comes is not processed really but comes
• 2:06:39
  straight for from a ground plant. Right, It's just a different way of
• 2:06:43
  creating it. And you know I have do I have? I have somewhere
• 2:06:49
  here of abe with Delta Delta seven or Delta eight. I think's Delta eight.
• 2:06:56
  But even that, now all of a sudden, ADULTA eight's a different.
• 2:07:00
  Now you're asking, now I live in Texas, it's a different.
• 2:07:04
  Yeah, Okay, so Delta eight is. And the reason I asked Delta
• 2:07:13
  eight in Delta nine or something I think is legal in Texas, but the
• 2:07:19
  other stuff isn't. So Delta eight is a it's tetra hydra cannabateall tetra.
• 2:07:30
  Yeah, it's a poactive substance. Right, there is the calming effect,
• 2:07:38
  but there isn't a lot of you know, it's found in marijuana plants.
• 2:07:44
  It's manufactured from hemp derived cannabaall or CBD. But as far as I know,
• 2:07:55
  oh yeah, that makes sense. I mean I believe that. Do
• 2:07:58
  you think that's healthy if they just take it straight from tobacco leaves and smoke
• 2:08:05
  it. I mean, there's no tar, there's no overt processing. I
• 2:08:13
  mean because a lot of our food or problems because it's been processed with other
• 2:08:18
  chemicals. I'm just learning way too much. My mind. I've lost that.
• 2:08:26
  I've left the tiki hut and now I've moved on to I'm learning things
• 2:08:31
  I didn't know. So it just depends, right, if you're pulling straight
• 2:08:37
  from the ground, it's one thing. But a lot of people think that
• 2:08:41
  roll your own tobacco has is safer because you're literally you have tobacco and you're
• 2:08:46
  rolling, so what else could be in it? But it has more additives
• 2:08:50
  in it, and it's more manufactured because they don't want it to dry out.
• 2:08:54
  They don't want it to go bad. They don't want to so what
• 2:08:56
  they advertise is the opposite, right, So yeah, yes, legalize it.
• 2:09:09
  That's all I'm saying. Okay, Delta eight was and then oh was
• 2:09:18
  it not? So saw it's so complicated because a governor changed and all of
• 2:09:24
  a sudden there was a war on it. We'll just leave it at that.
• 2:09:30
  And if you know anything about Virginia, you know who the governor is.
• 2:09:31
  And yeah, I got it, yep. So oh I I was
• 2:09:41
  thanking god. I wasn't alive during prohibition. That's all I gotta say.
• 2:09:48
  I have a statu I have a fact about prohibition. That's really funny because
• 2:09:52
  the grape juice companies said this is stupid, and so they put a label
• 2:09:56
  on the grape juice that said, do not allow this to it for so
• 2:10:00
  long it will become alcoholic. On their label during prohibitionion as like an underhanded
• 2:10:07
  description. So you could just buy it and let its set and let it
• 2:10:11
  just ferment. Woll. So I'm trying to I'm trying to hit the main
• 2:10:24
  things. Let me let me go, let me go to one other thing.
• 2:10:30
  Let's talk about the Angle case. So this is officially known as Angle
• 2:10:33
  Versa Laget Group, Inc. And it was a landmark class action lawsuit that
• 2:10:37
  was filed against the major tobacco companies in where Florida. So here's kind of
• 2:10:41
  a summary about it. So, it was filed in ninety four on behalf
• 2:10:45
  of Howard A. Engle and other Florida smokers who suffered from smoking related illnesses,
• 2:10:50
  and it alleged that tobacco companies were responsible for their health problems due to
• 2:10:54
  deceptive advertising and dangerous nature of their products. Now, the was initially considered
• 2:11:01
  a class action lawsuit, and it represented all Florida smokers who'd been harmed by
• 2:11:07
  smoking related these is before November twenty first, ninety six, and that allowed
• 2:11:13
  thousands of plaintiffs to be a part of the lawsuit. These are the things
• 2:11:16
  like we get emails about that are like if you did join a clause,
• 2:11:20
  you can get twenty five dollars. Yeah, yeah, it ends up being
• 2:11:26
  like, yeah, like a quarter or thirty five cents, which I'll do
• 2:11:30
  anything. Yeah. Uh So, in terms of the verdict in two thousand,
• 2:11:39
  so it took six years, a jury in that case delivered basically what's
• 2:11:43
  considered a landmark verdict, and they found that tobacco companies were liable for negligence,
• 2:11:48
  fraud, conspiracy, and the jury awarded substantial damages to the plaintiffs,
• 2:11:54
  but the verdict was later appealed and the Florida Supreme Court decertified the class in
• 2:12:00
  two thousand and six. So a jury of actual Floridians found them guilty,
• 2:12:13
  and a Supreme court of judges who were nominated and put in place by who
• 2:12:18
  knows who, completely reversed it. Following decertification, the Angle case transitioned into
• 2:12:28
  a series of individual trials. Those are known as Angle progeny cases, and
• 2:12:33
  those trials allowed individual plaintiffs to use the earlier findings of negligence and wrongdoing by
• 2:12:39
  tobacco companies as evidences in their own lawsuits. And so this case, as
• 2:12:43
  well as the progeny cases, played a significant role in shaping tobacco litigation in
• 2:12:48
  the US, and it led to substantial monetary damages awarded to many plaintiffs because
• 2:12:52
  once they found that base ruling, it's kind of hard to say it's not
• 2:12:58
  true. You just hit them with the individual versus the big one. Change
• 2:13:03
  the you know, change the thing. So in terms of legal legacy,
• 2:13:07
  the Angle caseet a precedent for other tobacco related lawsuits and encouraged similar legal actions
• 2:13:13
  against tobacco companies in various states. And it influenced the Master Settlement Agreement,
• 2:13:16
  the MSA of ninety eight, which resulted in financial settlements and stricter regulations like
• 2:13:22
  I mentioned before, and it was a pivotal lawsuit. So and then you
• 2:13:28
  know, here's the last thing. And then I'll conclude the tobacco industry has
• 2:13:35
  a huge history of influencing scientific research to cast doubt on the harmful effect of
• 2:13:39
  smoking and maintain its market position. The industry made great efforts to fund research,
• 2:13:45
  shape scientific discourse, and undermine the consensus on the health risks of tobacco
• 2:13:50
  use. And there are specific instances where the industry manipulated research findings, suppressed
• 2:13:54
  unfavorable data, and funded misleading studies. In the case study, also are
• 2:14:00
  this, and they also they basically eroded scientific integrity. Everybody now questions science
• 2:14:07
  why because of this and other things like it. It's like creative accounting.
• 2:14:18
  They're fixing the books. It is creative science, and they're cooking the science
• 2:14:24
  to make it give the results they want. Doesn't mean it's fact. Yeah,
• 2:14:30
  two plus two equals four. I don't care how you change it to
• 2:14:33
  say it equals six you do? This is the other thing. You know
• 2:14:41
  that you do a study on a thousand people and six hundred of those people
• 2:14:48
  end up developing cancer. I don't know that's not true, but I'm just
• 2:14:50
  coming here. It is six hundred people develop cancer after smoking for five years.
• 2:14:56
  That's sixty percent. So instead of acknowledging the sixty percent, you expand
• 2:15:05
  the research to include more people. All of a sudden, it becomes six
• 2:15:11
  percent. All of a sudden, it becomes point six percent. So this
• 2:15:15
  is an example. This is off the top of my head, but this
• 2:15:18
  is an example of manipulation. This is why when when you look at critical
• 2:15:24
  thinking is so important and it's so not as common. But when you look
• 2:15:31
  at, for instance, like political polls, you might see that one Canada
• 2:15:35
  has seventy percent of the vote and the other one has the remaining I don't
• 2:15:39
  math thirty percent, but they're only pulling Look at the bottom of the poll.
• 2:15:46
  At the bottom of the poll, it says how many people they asked
• 2:15:48
  and what the plus or minus is on percentage, And you'll see things like
• 2:15:52
  a thousand people they pull up one thousand people, and this is what they
• 2:15:58
  got and it's plus or minus thirty percent. So these are things you just
• 2:16:05
  have to be careful about. Yes, we are doing gas math. Dang
• 2:16:09
  it, Hi, ask Kat, thank for being here. Sorry. I
• 2:16:18
  saw that and I was like, no, I was literally going, do
• 2:16:20
  I need to get my calculator out? No? I mean, but that's
• 2:16:26
  how they get away with it because nobody wants to do that. And when
• 2:16:33
  I talk about polling, uh, I don't want people. People to be
• 2:16:37
  misconstrue what I'm saying. It is on both sides. Both sides will choose
• 2:16:41
  the poles that they want you to see. But what you need to do
• 2:16:45
  is see at the bottom who ran the pole, how many people they pulled,
• 2:16:50
  and what's the error percentage? Look up who ran the pole and see
• 2:16:54
  what they've done in the past. Look up how many people. A thousand
• 2:16:58
  people is not representative of I don't care who you are the research, right,
• 2:17:05
  so do your research, yes, for sure, for sure, And
• 2:17:09
  if you're really interested in things like polls, look at the cross tabs,
• 2:17:11
  which have even more stats, which are usually more reliable. To me.
• 2:17:16
  So this is me because I'm a simple person and I don't math. If
• 2:17:24
  I have a problem or a situation. I know which friends to go to
• 2:17:28
  to ask where I'm going to get the answer I want. Huh, that's
• 2:17:35
  what a poll is to me. Yeah, you go to the people where
• 2:17:41
  you know you're going to get the answer that most reflects the answer you want.
• 2:17:48
  Am I wrong? I know that makes me But like if I want
• 2:17:54
  somebody, if I'm mad at h h, I know which friend to go
• 2:17:58
  to and which friend not to go to. I know which one's going to
• 2:18:00
  tell me he's great, and which one's gonna say, yeah, he's a
• 2:18:03
  jerk. I know where to go. And it depends on what information I'm
• 2:18:07
  wanting that day and what information I want to share that I'm going to go
• 2:18:11
  to. Well, yeah, and what you really need is somebody to listen
• 2:18:16
  to you and then give you the possible suggestion or And that's who my bestie
• 2:18:24
  is. She will call me on my shit right to my bestie, She's
• 2:18:28
  like, you're the bitch, not him. I mean, but that's not
• 2:18:33
  what you do. For poles. You go to where you're going to get
• 2:18:37
  the answers you want. You have got to look for highly reated polls.
• 2:18:45
  There are unbiased poles out there. There are people who do it very well,
• 2:18:50
  very well. It is a matter of looking into it. And this
• 2:18:54
  all goes back to manipulation of numbers. I mean it really does. And
• 2:19:01
  and and that's what that's that's it just pisses me off. And I'm not
• 2:19:05
  talking politics anymore. I'm talking about the tobacco thing. And again I realized,
• 2:19:11
  you know, I don't want to. I hopefully in the beginning when
• 2:19:13
  I said that I've ate and I have for seven years, I eliminated the
• 2:19:16
  hopocrisy. I am still very much pissed off at how they've done this and
• 2:19:20
  how they've attacked people. But these, I mean these, this is not
• 2:19:24
  bad practice, This is crime. These are crimes and intentionally oh yeah,
• 2:19:35
  oh for sure. And and and these have had huge implications for public health,
• 2:19:41
  huge implications for public health. Now and mhm, I will say,
• 2:19:48
  and this is just me being Devil's advocate. What the tobacco company knew the
• 2:19:54
  many many years ago that they started this. We have much better science today
• 2:20:01
  then we did back then. Not saying what they did was right. I
• 2:20:07
  would much more appreciate if they would have said, oh shit, we didn't
• 2:20:15
  know this, we didn't have this good of technology. If we would have
• 2:20:18
  had this technology, we would have done things different. Instead, I said,
• 2:20:24
  oh, it's not a problem, let's just keep going. More said,
• 2:20:30
  I'm saying. They they didn't take the technology and the knowledge that we
• 2:20:37
  have now and reflect on what they had done and how they could do better.
• 2:20:43
  They just looked at how can we continue to make more money? Right,
• 2:20:48
  and Sean good, Yes, that is very true. I just took
• 2:20:58
  a quick goolo good this and I'll say this much. It required additional research
• 2:21:05
  on the interaction of burning cigarettes and soft furnishings like upholstered furniture and bedustry,
• 2:21:11
  and the resulting study laid the groundwork for flammability test method for cigarettes. So
• 2:21:20
  that's great, But then federal efforts to implement the standard stalled because two administrations,
• 2:21:31
  I'll leave it at that, presidential administrations preferred free markets to regulation,
• 2:21:37
  and so it's stalled and there were still reports published, but it's stalled because
• 2:21:46
  under the guise of free regulations they reversed it. So yay, all right,
• 2:21:54
  So hopefully you know, by talking about this, we kind of gained
• 2:22:00
  a little insight into unethical practices manipulative strategies by the industry. We have to
• 2:22:05
  know about this. This all boils down to critical thinking. Every time you
• 2:22:11
  see an ad, a commercial, you see a law, you see a
• 2:22:16
  speech, you see a poll, you see stats, right, yeah,
• 2:22:22
  even science in science articles, you have to critically think about these things.
• 2:22:28
  I know I'm preaching to the choir, the folks that are watching this.
• 2:22:31
  You guys know this already. The problem is is that common sense is not
• 2:22:35
  common anymore. Everybody wants to find the answer they're looking for, Like well
• 2:22:39
  you said, they want to find the easiest answer that most reflects how they
• 2:22:46
  already feel. They don't come to it with even things that I think I
• 2:22:52
  know a lot about. I love to go in with a clean mind because
• 2:23:00
  I love learning that I was wrong and learning something new. I don't want
• 2:23:07
  to always know everything. I want to know what was I not really told?
• 2:23:13
  What did you keep from me? What else? I always like to
• 2:23:16
  say, what else? What else are you not telling me? This sounds
• 2:23:20
  great? But what else? Because you're only telling me what you put in
• 2:23:24
  this nice little presentation. Tell me all the shit you don't want me to
• 2:23:28
  know. Oh oops, accidentally hit the work button. Sorry, Oh you
• 2:23:35
  didn't hear that though? Because I'm not sharing my screen, I could have
• 2:23:37
  played that off. What was I saying? Like, I am ashamed to
• 2:23:48
  admit this, but I thought of joining another social network just because I keep
• 2:23:54
  seeing in the news what is posted on that social truth mark. I've thought
• 2:24:01
  of joining it just to see are they really telling me what was said or
• 2:24:07
  did they paraphrase it into what they want me to think it said. And
• 2:24:11
  then I made the decision I didn't need to bring that into my life so
• 2:24:18
  other than other than giving them the number of an account. As long as
• 2:24:24
  you are strong willed and you know what you believe in, I see no
• 2:24:28
  harm in it. In fact, I also I created a truth account and
• 2:24:33
  I used it to troll pretty badly, like really badly. I always like
• 2:24:41
  when you see man on the Street videos, that's how bad I trolled.
• 2:24:46
  I. I wanted to do it because with researching for the cases we cover,
• 2:24:54
  and I learned this when I was covering my cousin's murder and I watched
• 2:25:00
  a snapped episode and it explained to me why our family never spoke out or
• 2:25:07
  talked because the snapped episode only talked to the killer and the killer's girlfriend,
• 2:25:18
  who said all of these things about my dear sweet cousin, that were bold
• 2:25:22
  faced lies and we're not true. But because the family like, we're not
• 2:25:30
  getting pulled into this shit. We know the facts, we know the truth,
• 2:25:33
  We're not gonna dispute it. And when they called and they said no
• 2:25:37
  comment, So all of this stuff was out there. And when I started
• 2:25:41
  researching and covering and I had people say, oh, but Christy was this
• 2:25:46
  Christy was? I was like, where the hell are you getting your information?
• 2:25:48
  And they're like, well, didn't you watch Snapped? And I went
• 2:25:50
  and watched it, and that's when I realized even our media doesn't look at
• 2:25:56
  both sides. If you can't get information from both sides, you shouldn't tell
• 2:26:03
  it, or you should put a very big line that says the other side
• 2:26:09
  did not confirm or deny and chose not to get involved. So that's what
• 2:26:15
  made me think about joining truth. I'm like, are they really telling me
• 2:26:20
  what people are saying or is it trolls just trying to make them look worse
• 2:26:26
  than they really are? Does that make sense? And I want to see
• 2:26:31
  the truth. I want to see it in black and white. I want
• 2:26:35
  to know your side, his side, and then figure out my own truth
• 2:26:39
  in the middle. Gone are the days of classic news that just reported the
• 2:26:46
  facts. People are either here's the fun, oh, here's the wild.
• 2:26:52
  Party is that people nowadays do not create news, create documentaries, create television
• 2:27:01
  based off of truth or facts. They base it off of ratings. Yes,
• 2:27:09
  what's gonna get the most ratings. Well, i'll tell you what's gonna
• 2:27:11
  get the most ratings. Somebody constantly and repeatedly saying that an entire democratic process
• 2:27:16
  was fake. That's gonna get ratings. You know, uh uh saying inflammatory
• 2:27:24
  things about one person. That's gonna get ratings if you have somebody to counter
• 2:27:28
  those things. H it's just neutral. So it's not gonna count. Everybody
• 2:27:33
  wants like that big thing and and and what I've been meaning to get to
• 2:27:37
  ultimately too. And I mean, I know I sound like, yeah,
• 2:27:39
  you should walk up here, booth wish and it was great. But but
• 2:27:46
  social media and then and the the the analytics and the the the formulas that
• 2:27:52
  they have only emphasize the issues. They basically are the issues we already have
• 2:28:01
  on steroids because it creates it is a self created and people don't know this
• 2:28:09
  because they're not thinking about it. But it is a self created echo chamber
• 2:28:15
  because you only keep people around who say yeah, you're right, I like
• 2:28:20
  it. Huh. Nobody wants anybody around the comments and challenge right, yeah,
• 2:28:26
  exactly exactly. And that's why go ahead, no, no, no,
• 2:28:33
  no, go Google. I was gonna say, people think I'm crazy.
• 2:28:35
  I unfollow groups on Facebook and refollow other groups. I follow opposite groups
• 2:28:45
  because I don't want to be told what yes, yes, yes, I
• 2:28:52
  want to look at things. I have been deep into cases that I was
• 2:28:56
  so passionate about and wanted to cover, and I had to stop and say
• 2:29:01
  I can't because nobody is giving me all of the facts. Cali, like
• 2:29:07
  with my cousin's thing. If I would have looked at that and I didn't
• 2:29:09
  know people to give me the down dirty, show me the letters, show
• 2:29:15
  me the documents, tell me this, tell me that I would have totally
• 2:29:20
  been like, oh my god, this person, this, this, and
• 2:29:22
  that's the thing that is wrong. And I'll be honest. I'm so thankful
• 2:29:28
  that I had a journalism teacher in school who told me, why do you
• 2:29:31
  believe that? Well, because I read it in the paper. You can't
• 2:29:35
  think for yourself. Did you go look to see if it was true.
• 2:29:39
  Did you go look at the other newspaper? Because we had two big ones
• 2:29:43
  in Houston, And I was like, well, no, this is when
• 2:29:45
  my parents get But did you look at the other one? And I learned
• 2:29:48
  that that maybe people are just telling you one side because they want you to
• 2:29:56
  agree right right, and and and you know, it's really fun and uh,
• 2:30:07
  everyone likes yes. No, I don't, well unless I'm asking for
• 2:30:13
  wine, right, it's funny because it's funny that you say that, Sam,
• 2:30:18
  because literally two or three times today I told somebody I do not like
• 2:30:26
  yes men. I don't like yes people. You need to tell me when
• 2:30:31
  I'm wrong, When an idea sucks, you have to tell me because I
• 2:30:37
  will run with it. And and and it's not because I'm I'm I'm ignorant.
• 2:30:41
  And I here's the thing is that I can read through yes people.
• 2:30:46
  I know if you're a yes person. If I tell a shitty joke and
• 2:30:50
  you say that's hysterical, you're a yes person for sure, and and or
• 2:30:58
  maybe you're being nice, but the real if it's shitty, just say it's
• 2:31:01
  shitty because it's fine. Uh, dad jokes. You know if you saw
• 2:31:07
  that David Beckham just called out his wife. I guess he has a new
• 2:31:11
  Netflix documentary out and I saw a little clip of it. She was saying
• 2:31:16
  that her family, she was raised working class, and he was like,
• 2:31:22
  what, excuse me, what kind of car did your dad drive? And
• 2:31:26
  she kind of beat it around the bush and then she finally admitted that it
• 2:31:31
  was a Rolls Royce and he was like, yeah, you weren't working class.
• 2:31:37
  And I so appreciated that he humbled her and reminded her, Yeah,
• 2:31:43
  maybe now you think that was working class because you have ten of those,
• 2:31:50
  But that wasn't working class, honey. It was all your perception. But
• 2:31:54
  I loved that he so held her accountable and was like, back up on
• 2:31:58
  your bs because you know, good to her mind now, but now where
• 2:32:05
  she is in her life, because she's so far above that was working class
• 2:32:11
  if you stop and think about it, she doesn't know anything below that.
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  And now she's got ten rolls, you know, in fifteen of this,
• 2:32:20
  so to some degree, its perception. But he was like, yeah,
• 2:32:24
  girl, that was not that was And so I appreciate that he even did
• 2:32:31
  that to his own wife, because that's a rough one to do. Oh
• 2:32:35
  oh, not only is it rough privately it's ruor of publicly? Well,
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  I'm sure she could have had it cut out if she wanted. But oh,
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  for sure, for sure, I have no doubt. Sureen I I
• 2:32:50
  am going to agree with you, and I'll tell you why because you posh,
• 2:32:54
  she's pash, she's posh. Hey, I will bend it with beck
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  Sorry in the teaky hut. I don't care if Brandy catches me. Ok,
• 2:33:15
  sorry h Yeah. So you know, ultimately, and we've gotten into
• 2:33:24
  a lot. I feel like we could have an entire episode on just chatting
• 2:33:26
  about this specifically, at least I'm trying to remember what Serena and I were
• 2:33:35
  talking about this morning, and I can't. Uh. Boxed wine, boxed
• 2:33:43
  wine brain, that's what I call it. B WB. God, please
• 2:33:48
  know Jesus, don't go. Yeah no, I would bring a blanket.
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  Oh but blank Come on, we all been to the beach. Blankets,
• 2:34:01
  your sleeping bag with a tarp underneath. M'm sure it's a surprise stream next
• 2:34:09
  week where we talk about the problems of the world. We could do.
• 2:34:13
  It could happen, But I do think looking at the tobacco companies and Tyson,
• 2:34:22
  it's and we all know this. Money rules the world, and unfortunately,
• 2:34:31
  until we find a balance between money and doing the right thing for people
• 2:34:37
  with products that we sell, we're going to have problems. Is what it
• 2:34:43
  comes down to. The people running the companies have to care about more than
• 2:34:46
  their pocket book. I I don't want to open another can of worms,
• 2:34:52
  but I'm going to briefly. Okay, I think something that I've talked about
• 2:35:03
  for a long time with a few people is this concept of and this is
• 2:35:09
  an agist. This is a reality. The millennial generation that was born from
• 2:35:18
  eighty three to ninety two, whatever they consider the millennial generation I'm part of.
• 2:35:24
  It is kind of the skipped generation. And maybe that's for the best,
• 2:35:31
  but also it's really disheartening for my group of people. And I say
• 2:35:35
  this because because people that are in and primarily I say this due to politics,
• 2:35:43
  but also management too. People who shouldn't be in their positions anymore stay.
• 2:35:54
  Well, let's just use politics for example. We've got a lot The
• 2:35:58
  average age of a policy titian is what late sixties, early seventies. I
• 2:36:01
  think at this point they've had plenty. They've done well, but they will
• 2:36:09
  not leave. And because they will not leave, an entire generation will not
• 2:36:13
  get to lead. They might, but they won't. We're not not in
• 2:36:20
  their prime anyways. And so you know, I mean, you know,
• 2:36:28
  listen, I didn't no no, no, no politics. Aside Diane Feinstein
• 2:36:33
  was still a senator at ninety doesn't mean she should have been right, right,
• 2:36:43
  And you know, I mean rip Ruth Vader Ginsburg. I mean she
• 2:36:48
  was, so she was, And but I said it earlier there in this
• 2:36:54
  sunes. I'm gonna just do it simple because it's been a long week.
• 2:36:58
  We have X expiration on milk, with expiration on food. We should have
• 2:37:05
  expiration on things like that. There comes a point in time just because you
• 2:37:11
  think you can doesn't mean you should. Oh absolutely, And here's here's what
• 2:37:16
  I'm my hope hinge is. This is actually probably pretty sad. And it's
• 2:37:22
  also like, however, many of these in which is probably ten at this
• 2:37:28
  point, Yeah, you've drank more than me. That's rare. I mean,
• 2:37:35
  eh, I don't. Yeah, So my hope rests in the generation
• 2:37:43
  after me. I don't think that my generation is going to get to a
• 2:37:48
  point in which we can hop in office. And the people who have hopped
• 2:37:52
  in office are disheartening. You know, uh, the North Carolina, there's
• 2:38:01
  a lot of entitlement. There is. You are correct, there is.
• 2:38:11
  You know, I also know a majority of folks around my age who are
• 2:38:15
  just disheartened. They are just broken down, and they feel like nothing they
• 2:38:20
  do is either heard or makes a difference. I have two you know,
• 2:38:28
  sons the same age, and I jokingly told one of them, I'm like,
• 2:38:33
  well, you know, they say diseases skip generations. I think we're
• 2:38:39
  getting ready to see a big skip of a generation, and it's going to
• 2:38:43
  cause some problems because then you look at the next generation that had COVID hit
• 2:38:52
  and they missed so much schooling. We're going to see some domino effects with
• 2:38:56
  learning and skill sets. And if we skip, if the millennials do not
• 2:39:05
  find that they're heard scene and that they can contribute, and they back out,
• 2:39:15
  we're going to have a hell of a problem on our hands because we
• 2:39:20
  can't skip an entire The fact that the fer the fact that the majority of
• 2:39:30
  people that I talk to around my age or in the millennial jen it feels
• 2:39:35
  so apathetic. And when I ask why, it's primarily because their voice goes
• 2:39:45
  into a void per se and maybe they're not shouting loud enough. But the
• 2:39:50
  reality is is that we've been shouting for a long time. You know,
• 2:39:54
  we've been shouting for at least fourteen years and it hasn't been heard. And
• 2:40:00
  and we're getting to the point now where my generation is either you know,
• 2:40:03
  three or four years older than me or a little younger than thirty five.
• 2:40:11
  And you know, they're getting to the point where they can run. But
• 2:40:16
  we have been put in a working so far away from our theme, but
• 2:40:24
  not really. I think it all still goes back to corporate crimes if you
• 2:40:28
  stop and think about it, because that's one of the reason that this group
• 2:40:35
  for us, that they're not heard because these corporations control the narrative and they
• 2:40:43
  they're not heard even in their jobs. I'm in HR and I'm very fortunate
• 2:40:48
  that i work for a company based in Finland. We actually listen to the
• 2:40:52
  people in that age group because they may know a lot more than we do
• 2:40:58
  and a lot of and we get that we might have experience, but they
• 2:41:05
  got skills that we don't. They've got experiences that are different than ours,
• 2:41:09
  and we have to balance the two of them. I balance saying this without
• 2:41:20
  sounding like somebody who's just ultimately whining. But I'm going to anyways because it's
• 2:41:26
  me, and people can either hate me or not. Nobody can hate you.
• 2:41:35
  So, missus Bruce Crime and I both have full time jobs, we
• 2:41:37
  both have master's degrees, We're both in semi management positions. Our income is
• 2:41:43
  not to sneeze at. It's not a lot, but it's not to sneeze
• 2:41:46
  at. We do both work in nonprofits. I also have a part time
• 2:41:52
  job, mascot apart, but it's a part time job. And also this
• 2:41:58
  which is a full time job at night. And there is even and I
• 2:42:07
  know it was our choice ultimately to have children, but we are still We're
• 2:42:13
  not struggling struggling. I don't want it to sound like we're like poor.
• 2:42:18
  We're not. We're fine, right, But the the the the amount of
• 2:42:26
  debt that you accrue, not just from schooling. Let's put schooling aside.
• 2:42:31
  Uh, let's take children, my children's health issues, my children. Yeah,
• 2:42:39
  children's childcare is a mortgage. It is a mortgage. In fact,
• 2:42:43
  I will say that it is more than my mortgage. And I don't have
• 2:42:48
  a small house. You know, that's a problem. I'm sorry, that's
• 2:42:52
  a problem, and the money doesn't go to the teachers. No. No,
• 2:43:00
  that's the most frustrating part out of all of that. It doesn't go
• 2:43:03
  to the teachers, and that goes back to corporates, just like churches their
• 2:43:09
  corporation. I mean, I almost covered the Catholic Church and I didn't want
• 2:43:16
  to have Grainy Bear come down. He's got more than that. Ah,
• 2:43:22
  But I didn't want, you know, Mama Bear to come after me when
• 2:43:28
  I was going to cover the Catholic Church for corporate crimes because they didn't start
• 2:43:33
  out that way. But guess what, they got to a point where they
• 2:43:37
  started making decisions based on money. And I will tell you so many people
• 2:43:45
  say to me and to other friends my age, they're like, how come
• 2:43:48
  you help your kids so much? And I'm like, my grain kid's daycare
• 2:43:56
  is four times the amount of what it cost me to have a nanny in
• 2:44:01
  my home who is an educated, degreed person. They pay more than that
• 2:44:09
  to go to a daycare with forty kids in a room. There's something wrong
• 2:44:15
  with that. Yeah, there's something wrong with that. So why wouldn't I
• 2:44:22
  help if I can? I mean, I don't, Yeah, I like,
• 2:44:28
  I don't want anybody to misconstrue me, like I say that. I
• 2:44:33
  said this a lot tonight. Obviously that's what I say when I have box
• 2:44:35
  one, but don't like, I don't want anybody to think I'm judging if
• 2:44:41
  you don't work or you're fine, or like, I have no judgment.
• 2:44:46
  In fact, I applaud that and the fact that you've overcome so many hurdles
• 2:44:50
  to get to that point, especially if you're around my age, is beyond
• 2:44:54
  awesome. I am not jealous of that. I appreciate it. I have
• 2:45:00
  a problem that this society is a dual income society with expectations of a single
• 2:45:07
  income household, and it's no longer a single income household at all. There
• 2:45:18
  is no way I could be done. But it is very difficult. But
• 2:45:20
  back when I had my kids thirty something years ago, I was twelve when
• 2:45:26
  I had them, so many of my friends chose to stay home, and
• 2:45:35
  it was great they did, but they judged me because I was like,
• 2:45:41
  I can't. I stayed home for a couple weeks. I'm like, I
• 2:45:43
  can't. I am not the person to do this. If my kids are
• 2:45:50
  going to be the best people they are, I need to have this adult
• 2:45:56
  stimulation I still need to conk or these things. As a woman, I
• 2:46:01
  still wanted to own my own business. I still wanted to conquer the world.
• 2:46:05
  I couldn't be the mom they needed, but I also knew that I
• 2:46:13
  couldn't bitch if I only got three hour sleep because I chose to be a
• 2:46:16
  mom and work full time. And then I became a single mom when my
• 2:46:22
  youngest was a year and I worked three jobs because I didn't get child support
• 2:46:28
  and I got nothing. And I think back that if I had stayed at
• 2:46:33
  home, I would have had the skills to get jobs. I would have
• 2:46:39
  had to have getten, five or six jobs to be able to pay for
• 2:46:43
  a two bedroom apartment that they shared a room that was seven hundred square feet.
• 2:46:50
  And they judged me because I made that choice. And society has gotten
• 2:46:56
  to where we want women to be at home with their kids those that want
• 2:47:01
  to be. But yet we charge all of this money where the sacrifices that
• 2:47:09
  are having to be made for people to stay at home and do that shouldn't
• 2:47:15
  you shouldn't have to pick. There should be a healthy balance. We shouldn't
• 2:47:20
  pay an executive million dollars a year to run to be CFO of a chicken
• 2:47:28
  company. You're thirty four. For God's sake, there needs to be nobody
• 2:47:39
  deserves that kind of money. I'm sorry that nobody not. I'm sorry problems.
• 2:47:46
  I owned a company at thirty four. We did very well. But
• 2:47:50
  I can tell you I paid my employees more and gave them raises before I
• 2:47:56
  got raises. Big corporations do it the opposite. Yeah, yeah, so,
• 2:48:05
  but yeah, corporations need to be held accountable. We hold people accountable
• 2:48:15
  in the legal system for murder, robbery, breaking the law. We need
• 2:48:20
  to hold corporations to these same consequences. And I mean consequences that hurt.
• 2:48:30
  If forty two million dollars doesn't hurt them, find what does cut their ability
• 2:48:37
  to do business? Make them lose two hundred million? It's well, if
• 2:48:50
  we were my god, so many problems could be solved if we eliminated or
• 2:48:54
  made a legal lobbying. And then in order in in order do get rid
• 2:49:00
  of that, you'd really need to have term limits. And then, so
• 2:49:05
  I believe in terms it's a lot of you should have go ahead. I
• 2:49:13
  believe you should have limits in companies. So back in the day, my
• 2:49:18
  parents worked at a company forty fifty years. Mom is at the same law
• 2:49:22
  firm twenty something years. I don't think that's okay. First of all,
• 2:49:26
  it shortens or not shortens, it lessons your exposure to other things. You
• 2:49:33
  can't broaden your knowledge, your friends, your thought process, everything. You
• 2:49:41
  shouldn't stay at a company more than ten years unless you're moving to a different
• 2:49:46
  country, a different division. Now I'm not saying in all cases, but
• 2:49:52
  I think that's part of the problem with people just get in. Nothing changes.
• 2:50:00
  Politicians. You should not be assigned to a seat until the day you
• 2:50:03
  die, because if you don't do something else, and you don't bring in
• 2:50:09
  people that grow at the times and have different exposures, it's just a mess.
• 2:50:18
  And I'll leave with this concept. If there is a problem when we
• 2:50:24
  have representatives who are in office since who remember pre civil rights? There are
• 2:50:31
  also issues when we have representatives as an office, senators whatever, who have
• 2:50:39
  to ask at the beginning of a special committee meeting on Facebook's privacy practices or
• 2:50:45
  predatory practices, if they have to spend forty five minutes asking how the internet
• 2:50:50
  works right now? So, a variety of knowledge is great, a variety
• 2:51:00
  of ages are great. I have friends that are much older, much younger
• 2:51:03
  my age. That is great. But when you're running a company or a
• 2:51:09
  country, yeah, suny to look at things a little bit different. And
• 2:51:20
  I will absolutely be the first person to say that. Although it's very obvious
• 2:51:24
  which way on the spectrum of politics that I side on, especially tonight,
• 2:51:30
  I also feel like eighty is pushing it. I feel like seventy six is
• 2:51:39
  pushing it, like it doesn't matter what side, Well, what is our
• 2:51:43
  retirement age it used to be? What sixty five? I've stopped worrying about
• 2:51:50
  it because I think it's I'm never going to retire, Okay, But that's
• 2:51:54
  a problem. We should not still be working at seventy now. If you
• 2:52:01
  want to volunteer ten fifteen hours a week, you want to work ten hours
• 2:52:03
  a week that you should not be doing critical surgeries policies. You shouldn't.
• 2:52:13
  I mean, for God's sake, I'm fifty three. I can tell you
• 2:52:18
  ten more years. I should not be making decisions that affect major groups.
• 2:52:28
  You know. The only thing I don't think there should be term limits on
• 2:52:31
  his marriage. That's the only thing I'm okay with forever. That's fair.
• 2:52:39
  Sorry or being mom and Dad just want to say, but I do agree.
• 2:52:43
  Somebody just said there should be term limits for everything. There should be
• 2:52:48
  term limits. Oh yeah, Oh absolutely, I think a lot. I'm
• 2:52:52
  not gonna lie that term limits alone. You put termlets in which you'll know
• 2:53:00
  ever happened, because the people who have to vote those in don't want them.
• 2:53:03
  But you put those in and you have a solid you have a solid
• 2:53:09
  waterfall of benefits coming from that because they're no longer worried about because as soon
• 2:53:15
  as they're put in, as soon as they win an election, they're worried
• 2:53:16
  about the next election. Right. You put them in place to vote for
• 2:53:22
  you and represent you. That's why they're called representatives, not to get real
• 2:53:28
  right. So, well, we can't fix it, but we can continue
• 2:53:37
  to bring visibility and maybe give people something to think about. I learned so
• 2:53:43
  many things about the tobacco industry. The light bulb went off because I just
• 2:53:48
  watch the fentanyl thing. You're not the fentanyl, the opioid with Matthew Brodrick.
• 2:53:58
  In hearing you talk about the Tabac company, I automatically went, oh
• 2:54:03
  shit, that is their playbook. So if we can just get people to
• 2:54:09
  think about maybe something they didn't think about incorporate it. That's all we can
• 2:54:16
  do and my voice is just it's time for away. It is later than
• 2:54:24
  it has ever has been in a long time for me, but you all
• 2:54:28
  have hung in there and your champs. Thank you for listening to True Crime
• 2:54:33
  and Wine Time. Until next time, stay safe, watch out for crime,
• 2:54:39
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• 2:54:46
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