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The Late Debate | 6 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson, with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. Pauline Hanson makes a surprise appearance at Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump's Marri Lago resort, where she argues Australia should be
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  Speaker 3: following Trump's lead. Exit polls from New York mayor election
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  Speaker 3: make for interesting reading. Will tell you which groups of
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  Speaker 3: people were most likely to vote for socialists or on Mamdani.
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  Speaker 3: And there's an almighty row brewing over whether or not
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  Speaker 3: people should.
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  Speaker 1: Be allowed to take their dogs to bunnings.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into that one later, but first, drivers deliberately
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  Speaker 3: plowing into pedestrians has tragically become quite common in Europe.
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  Speaker 3: So when a man drove his car at pedestrians and
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  Speaker 3: cyclists in France today, hitting five people injuring two critically,
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  Speaker 3: it barely raised an eyebrow. Now, French police reported that
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  Speaker 3: the man yelled Alla Akbar when he was finally arrested,
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  Speaker 3: but they've urged people not to jump to conclusions. The
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  Speaker 3: fact that al Akba has been shouted after a string
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  Speaker 3: of similar terror attacks maybe entirely unrelated.
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  Speaker 1: Police weren't so coy.
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  Speaker 3: About the man's mental health, however, telling reporters they hadn't
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  Speaker 3: dismissed the possibility he had a psychiatric disorder.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I don't know the attacker's motive.
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  Speaker 3: Like you, I can only draw inferences from what police
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  Speaker 3: do and don't say. But I find it interesting, Caleb,
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  Speaker 3: that police insist they don't know the motive while directing
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  Speaker 3: people as to which motives they can and cannot speculate about.
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  Speaker 4: And look, you wouldn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to
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  Speaker 4: think that if a guy yells allah akbar after he's
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  Speaker 4: mowed people down, motor people down with his car, that
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  Speaker 4: there may be a link there.
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  Speaker 2: And again, of course we've got to.
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  Speaker 4: Wait for the police to come out and officially tell
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  Speaker 4: us all of this stuff. But I would think, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you are a religious man, you've been a minister. If
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  Speaker 4: you had a mental health episode and you went and
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  Speaker 4: mod a bunch of people down with your car, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think the first thing you would think to say
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  Speaker 4: when you got out of the car is God is great, right,
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  Speaker 4: So make of that what you will, And of course
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  Speaker 4: people will speculate.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's say.
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  Speaker 4: It's not related to religion at all, by the police
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  Speaker 4: not coming out and saying more. And this story is
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  Speaker 4: about twenty four hours old now and I've tried to
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  Speaker 4: find any new reporting on it, and it doesn't exist
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  Speaker 4: that There has been nothing new written about this story
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  Speaker 4: for the last seventeen hours, and so.
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  Speaker 5: You can imagine people would be going.
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  Speaker 4: Well, is this a terror attack or not? I think
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  Speaker 4: the public deserved to know, particularly when you had just
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  Speaker 4: a few weeks ago an attack on a synagogue in
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  Speaker 4: Manchester in the UK that was an Islamist terror attack.
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  Speaker 4: You've had a number of Islamic related terror attacks in
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  Speaker 4: the United States this year, particularly related to ISIS or
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  Speaker 4: fueled by ISIS, and it feels like this is an
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  Speaker 4: issue that sort of dropped off the agenda over the
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  Speaker 4: last decade. It was big in the five years before that.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, we had the Linked Cafe siege here in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: We saw other stuff happening overseas, particularly the rise of
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  Speaker 4: ISIS and what that meant for the Western world in
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  Speaker 4: terms of terror, and then we've been through a nice
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  Speaker 4: patch where that hasn't really happened, and it feels like
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  Speaker 4: it is back on the agenda now, so people the
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  Speaker 4: world over will be looking at this and saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: what is the answer? And we don't know because authorities
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  Speaker 4: for the last twenty four hours have said basically nothing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, something that was just perplexing was despite
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  Speaker 6: the fact that he did yell a la wakba, and
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  Speaker 6: the style of attack is pretty typical of a lot
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  Speaker 6: of these jihadest attacks, mewing people down in the stream.
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  Speaker 6: Apparently the time, at least that this article was written,
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  Speaker 6: the Office that investigates Terrorism wasn't even involved in the case.
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  Speaker 7: I mean that would.
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  Speaker 6: Seem like the first thing you do, at least set
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  Speaker 6: out to find the facts. But the fact that they're
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  Speaker 6: being so coy about this, trying anything they can to
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  Speaker 6: distract people to say, oh, look over there, it's got
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  Speaker 6: to be mental health, it's got to be something else.
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  Speaker 6: Don't you dare speculate about that? Well, why, like, what
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  Speaker 6: are you trying to hide?
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  Speaker 7: What are you trying to avoid here?
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  Speaker 6: And I think at the moment, for France and really
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  Speaker 6: the whole of Europe, this is such a politically charged
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  Speaker 6: time for them.
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  Speaker 7: If you look at the.
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  Speaker 6: Polls National rally Marine le Pen's far right party is
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  Speaker 6: polling as the number one party in France with thirty
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  Speaker 6: four percent.
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  Speaker 7: Of the vote.
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  Speaker 6: So this is a huge issue that people are really
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  Speaker 6: really concerned about their safety, like forget religion, just your
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  Speaker 6: safety in the streets as a citizen of France. There
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  Speaker 6: was another horrific attack around the time of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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  Speaker 7: It was an.
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  Speaker 6: Iraqi refugee of Assyrian background, a Christian guy. He's permanently
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  Speaker 6: disabled in a wheelchair his whole life. He was live
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  Speaker 6: streaming on TikTok sharing his Christian faith and he was
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  Speaker 6: murdered by a jihadi while live streaming on TikTok and
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  Speaker 6: he literally bled to death in a wheelchair. That alleged
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  Speaker 6: murderer then escaped France and has gone completely unpunished. And
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  Speaker 6: this was just a couple months ago. So it's a
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  Speaker 6: heartbreaking stuff. It's happening way too frequently, and the fact
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  Speaker 6: that authorities are just trying to sort of make everyone
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  Speaker 6: think this is not a serious issue is disingenuous and dishonest.
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  Speaker 3: And like I said, we don't yet know the full
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  Speaker 3: facts of this particular incident, but there's a general distrust
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  Speaker 3: from the public in authorities there's a general feeling that
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  Speaker 3: authorities don't want to say everything they know because they're
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  Speaker 3: scared that people will react this way or that. And
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  Speaker 3: of course when you get the suspicion that governments withholding
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  Speaker 3: information that only films exactly the very thing governments are saying,
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  Speaker 3: don't do, which is speculation. So governments just need to
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  Speaker 3: say what they know, trust the public to react in
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  Speaker 3: the right way. And I think that would be appreciated
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  Speaker 3: by people right around the Western world.
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  Speaker 4: At the lament it's completely counterintuitive, and of course we're
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  Speaker 4: living in times of social discontent and disharmony and stuff
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  Speaker 4: like this.
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  Speaker 2: When you leave open ended heirs.
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  Speaker 4: I mean people jump to conclusions and that often leads
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  Speaker 4: in bad directions.
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  Speaker 5: The opposite of a bad.
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  Speaker 4: Direction, though, let's go down to South Australia. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's always a good direction to South Australia, I have
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  Speaker 4: to say. But the South Australian Liberal Party, their lead
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  Speaker 4: of Vincentasia, has come out with a brilliant piece of policy.
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  Speaker 4: Now look, never mind the fact they're not going to
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  Speaker 4: win the state election next March, They're probably not going
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  Speaker 4: to win the one after that or the one after
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  Speaker 4: that either To be perfectly honest, so it doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 4: They're all just pissing in the wind. But it's a
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  Speaker 4: great piece of policy from Vincent Tasi, which is he
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  Speaker 4: and his party would abolish stamp duty altogether, just get
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  Speaker 4: rid of it. He was speaking at the Committee for
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  Speaker 4: Economic Development Australia lunch in Adelaide and he said, we
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  Speaker 4: believe that people are better off spending their money than governments.
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  Speaker 4: We know that stamp duty makes it harder for young
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  Speaker 4: people to get into the market and also makes it
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  Speaker 4: hard for older people to downsize if they want to,
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  Speaker 4: and that's leading to inefficiencies right across the state.
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  Speaker 5: Bang on.
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  Speaker 4: It is one of the most inefficient taxes there is.
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  Speaker 4: And for South Australia you consider all the money it
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  Speaker 4: gets raised out of tax. For South Australia, stamp duty
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  Speaker 4: raises two billion dollars a year, which in the grand
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  Speaker 4: scheme of things in a budget for a state is
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  Speaker 4: not all that much money. So the gain that you
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  Speaker 4: can get for a state by getting rid of stamp
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  Speaker 4: beauty is significant. And of course the next question is
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  Speaker 4: well what are you going to do to make up
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  Speaker 4: that lost revenue that two billion dollars? Well, Vincent Tarzi says,
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't make up that revenue. We would just say
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  Speaker 4: there is a loss to the budget of two billion
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  Speaker 4: dollars and we would have to go and find two
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  Speaker 4: billion dollars of savings.
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  Speaker 5: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it so much.
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  Speaker 4: Again, I know it's not going to happen because they're
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  Speaker 4: not going to be elected. I mean, you know Mallie
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  Speaker 4: Mays will declare himself the dictator and take over that
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  Speaker 4: joint right, But when was the last time you heard
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  Speaker 4: a prime minister, an opposition leader, a premier, state, federal
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  Speaker 4: wherever say I will abolish attacks and I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: do nothing to make that revenue up. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: find savings. Like I shouldn't be so excited because this
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  Speaker 4: should happen more often.
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  Speaker 1: But it's insane.
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  Speaker 4: I've not heard anyone else say that, I think ever,
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  Speaker 4: and I love it.
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  Speaker 3: And of course the government have immediately reacted by calling
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  Speaker 3: it dangerous and reckless policy.
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  Speaker 5: What are you going to put You're going to get
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  Speaker 5: rid of hospitals?
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  Speaker 3: They actually said it's the equivalent of firing every teacher
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  Speaker 3: in the education department. So they've immediately started a scarecare
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  Speaker 3: pain around it.
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  Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting for you.
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  Speaker 3: It is the government's objection to this is not that
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  Speaker 3: stamp duty is a good policy.
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  Speaker 1: It's simply that.
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  Speaker 3: But we rely on that money, which seems to me
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  Speaker 3: to be, as Caleb has so brilliantly articulated, a really
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  Speaker 3: weak reason for continuing at tax that is problematic for
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  Speaker 3: people wanting to downsize, problematic for young people wanting to
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  Speaker 3: get into.
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  Speaker 1: The housing market.
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  Speaker 3: It creates all sorts of difficulties for the public, and
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  Speaker 3: the only reason the government retains it is because, well,
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  Speaker 3: if we get rid of it, then we'll have to
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  Speaker 3: find savings.
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  Speaker 6: Well, exactly right, And if you look at basically any
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  Speaker 6: tax review, the number one policy recommendation every review will
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  Speaker 6: always have for state governments is to at least reform
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  Speaker 6: stamp duty, change to an annual land tax, but even better,
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  Speaker 6: just abolish it all together. Having said that, though, I
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  Speaker 6: do have some sympathy for state governments because the reality
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  Speaker 6: is they don't have many powers that allow them to
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  Speaker 6: raise revenue. But at the same time they often bear
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  Speaker 6: the burden of very expensive government services like education and health.
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  Speaker 7: And I think this is a broader.
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  Speaker 6: Problem with our federal system. We gave income tax powers
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  Speaker 6: to the federal government.
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  Speaker 7: Think it was during World War Two and they never
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  Speaker 7: came back to the states.
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  Speaker 6: And so what should have been a competitive federalist system
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  Speaker 6: where states have the power to raise revenue and spend,
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  Speaker 6: have some genuine competition, have some states with some lower
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  Speaker 6: tax rates, other with higher ones. We just don't have that,
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  Speaker 6: and so states are left with very inefficient taxes like
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  Speaker 6: levies and stamp duties to try and raise that revenue.
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  Speaker 6: So there needs to be a broader conversation here around
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  Speaker 6: reforming the whole system.
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  Speaker 1: Great point.
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  Speaker 3: So you'd think state government's understanding that would maybe not
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  Speaker 3: spend on a half a billion dollars on a hydrogen project.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this is the thing, right whenever any politician goes, oh,
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  Speaker 6: how are you going to pay for that? Do you
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  Speaker 6: know the amount of garbage our governments spend money on,
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  Speaker 6: like just so much stuff, hydrogen renewable energy stuff, endless
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  Speaker 6: corporate subsidies, paying their union mates to do bogus reviews.
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  Speaker 6: You can find the two billion dollars. You're just not
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  Speaker 6: trying hard enough.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's just trimming fat. And the fact
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  Speaker 4: that this is not something I actually I.
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  Speaker 5: Think it's brilliant.
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  Speaker 4: It would be more brilliant if it was a government
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  Speaker 4: you could get on the ropes.
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  Speaker 2: But the political play, if this was.
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  Speaker 4: A genuine contest at this state election, would be magnificent
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  Speaker 4: because he's essentially laying it down and saying, look, I
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  Speaker 4: can do it. I'll get rid of a tax and
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  Speaker 4: I can find savings. What's your answer, And then the
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  Speaker 4: answer from the government.
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  Speaker 2: Is well, we want to keep taxing you more.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost like the reverse unocard that Labor used on
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  Speaker 4: the Libs during the federal campaign, where the lib said
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  Speaker 4: they wouldn't back in a cut to income tax. So
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  Speaker 4: it's brilliant and I don't know why it hasn't been
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  Speaker 4: done before, and I'd like to see it be done
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  Speaker 4: again somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: And we should point out that the Liberal Party in
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  Speaker 3: South Australia are proposing to do this over fifteen years.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just one hit and you've got this massive
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  Speaker 3: hole in the budget they're proposing to stage it.
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  Speaker 1: So I agree with you, it's a good idea.
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  Speaker 7: Well they should just do it in one hit.
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  Speaker 6: Come on, guys, that'll get you elected. Like, let's put
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  Speaker 6: some actual, real bowl policy on the table.
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  Speaker 7: That's the only way you'll win.
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  Speaker 6: But also in South Australia, two hundred members of the
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  Speaker 6: South Australian branch of the Liberal Party, which is around
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  Speaker 6: five percent of its total membership base, have we've drawn,
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  Speaker 6: have quit their Liberal Party memberships over the party's handling
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  Speaker 6: of net zero and what they say is weakness in
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  Speaker 6: Susan Lee's leadership. Now, this is probably a trend that
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  Speaker 6: is being replicated in other state divisions.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure the.
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  Speaker 6: State directors will not release that data around Liberal Party membership,
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  Speaker 6: but we do know that the base is very discontented
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  Speaker 6: with Susan Lee's leadership and also net zero. But so
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  Speaker 6: are a lot of members of Parliament. But it looks
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  Speaker 6: like the net zero issue is finally coming to a head.
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  Speaker 6: On Wednesday next week there's going to be a party
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  Speaker 6: room meeting to discuss it. On Thursday there will be
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  Speaker 6: a shadow Cabinet meeting to finalize what the Liberal Party's
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  Speaker 6: final position is on net zero, and on Sunday they
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  Speaker 6: will take that final position to the National Party. Look,
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  Speaker 6: I think, regardless of what you think about net zero,
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  Speaker 6: the Liberal Party needs to come to a position because
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  Speaker 6: clearly the membership has had enough. They feel taken for granted,
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  Speaker 6: for they stood on polling Boost twelve hours a day
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  Speaker 6: for a month during the federal election and they've been
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  Speaker 6: repaid with basically nothing. And so whether you like net
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  Speaker 6: zero or not, they need a final position that everyone
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  Speaker 6: can get behind.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the problem with the Liberal Party right
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  Speaker 3: now is pretty obvious. Let me ask you what's Susan
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  Speaker 3: Lee's position on net zero. You don't know what's Ted
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  Speaker 3: O'Brien's position. The deputy leader on net zero can't say.
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  Speaker 3: So you talked about her lack of leadership that I
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  Speaker 3: think that's been kind. There's zero leadership whatsoever. And the
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  Speaker 3: timeframe obviously has been ridiculous. Dan Tien suggested not a
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  Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, there could be another three months
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  Speaker 3: before they came to a position. Now that's not going
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  Speaker 3: to happen, as you pointed out, they'll make a decision
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  Speaker 3: next week and then have a meeting with the National
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  Speaker 3: Party to try and get consensus in the coalition. But
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  Speaker 3: the fact this has been able to drag on for
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  Speaker 3: so long, no wonder that it's surprising that more people
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  Speaker 3: aren't leaving the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 4: But this has been the problem is you know that
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  Speaker 4: they came back from an absolute walloping in the federal
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  Speaker 4: election and Susan Lee is elected leader and says, you know,
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  Speaker 4: everything's on the table. We're going to have a root
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  Speaker 4: and branch review of every single policy and we're going
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  Speaker 4: to thrash everything out and whatever. While you're doing that,
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  Speaker 4: you are losing time. And look, I understand that you
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: don't change governments in the first six months of a
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  Speaker 4: re elected government, but you need to have something to
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  Speaker 4: be able to go to question time and go to
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  Speaker 4: the media and fill time to attack and use and whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And if you don't have stated policy positions, it's very
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  Speaker 4: difficult to do that.
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  Speaker 2: And I've said this before.
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  Speaker 4: It's all good and well to say everything is on
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  Speaker 4: the table, but that table is boeing under the weight
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  Speaker 4: of everything that is on top of it. So they
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: have to make decisions fast otherwise you end up with,
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  Speaker 4: as we have seen, members of the coalition freelancing on
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  Speaker 4: issues because there is no stated policy party position. Even
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  Speaker 4: the method by which they're going to make their.
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  Speaker 5: Decision is protracted.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we have a meeting in Canberra on Tuesday
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  Speaker 4: and then we have three people from the Libs and
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  Speaker 4: three people from the Nats come together on Wednesday and
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  Speaker 4: they try to come up with something, and then we
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  Speaker 4: have another meeting on Sunday to try and finally.
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  Speaker 1: Get next week around all. It'll be NonStop.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: And I've written about this in my column and the
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  Speaker 4: Advertiser tomorrow read it on a Friday, as you always do,
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  Speaker 4: of course. But the thing that gets me is that
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  Speaker 4: the argument from the moderates is that and this was
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  Speaker 4: what was being advanced in The Australian the other day,
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  Speaker 4: with moderates saying, you know, there'll be people walk from
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  Speaker 4: the front bench all this and stuff that we will
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  Speaker 4: never win The Liberal Party will never win another election.
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  Speaker 5: If we get rid of the idea of net zero, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is just absolute crap, but it's the idea.
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  Speaker 4: What they are basically saying is that, you know, we
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  Speaker 4: are the bull with the ring in the nose and
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  Speaker 4: we will be led by what other people want.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I thought leadership, you know, leads the first four letters
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  Speaker 4: meant that you actually lead people, and that sometimes means
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  Speaker 4: making brave decisions that you then go and sell to people.
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  Speaker 4: That's leadership. Sure, lots of people in the till seats
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  Speaker 4: might be upset when they say we're going to get
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  Speaker 4: rid of a baked in net zero. But it's then
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  Speaker 4: up to the Liberal Party to go to those people
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  Speaker 4: and argue to them why that was the right decision.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: You actually have to lead, You can't be led by
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: other people.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yep, you're exactly right.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Next week we'll be fascinating to see where the Liberals
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: land and what it means for Susan Lee's leadership, whether
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: it causes people to back off and give us some space,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: or whether things just start to escalate. We'll be watching
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: with great interest. All right now to the big debate
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: of the day. Should people be allowed to take their
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: dogs to Bunnings?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I know you've been thinking about this all day.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Actually, it's created a massive storm online when someone took
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: to the internet and wrote to keep your dog at home.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Bunnings is a hardware store, not a dog park, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: that little post online generated.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: All sorts of responses.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: So I thought it's worth asking the question, what do
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: you think?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I'll give you my personal review.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know why people need to take their dog shopping.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Surely your dog can survive fifteen minutes without your attention.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I was at a post office in Brisbane. I think
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: it was last week, and I'm standing in line as
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: you do at post offices for you know, hours, and
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: there was a guy in front of me who had
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: his dog in the post office dressed in a two
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: to a pink tutu, and everybody was fawning over it.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And I was standing the artists.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Couldn't believe a that he had the dog b he
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: dressed in a tutu. But more to the point that
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: all these other customers were like, oh, that's so cute.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: That's like, get your dog out of the post office.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: No living at home in the backyard where belong to me?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Kidding me, I'm not kidding for a moment.
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: That's adorable.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: If I saw a dog in a tutu at the
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: post office, I mean, what else is there to do
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: with the post office? You're just standing there hours as
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: you say, why not just cuddle a cute dog or
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: give it a pad or admire how adorable it is?
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: The point of order, A dog in a two two
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: does not look cute, no matter how cute the dog
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: may be. There's this phenomenon now for people to sort
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: of impose human characteristics on their animals and to treat
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: them like their mini human beings. Virgin Airlines now are
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: allowing you to take your dog on a plane.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: God forbid. That would drive me back to quantus.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, you remember Snakes on a plane. We'll have
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: dogs on a plane will be the next film. It's
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: you know, Look, I don't have a particular issue with
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: the dogs at Bunnings. I think you know it's up
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: to Bunnings to decide whether they want dogs there, and
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: customers will make decisions whether or not they go on
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: the basis of that. If you don't like hardware stores
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: where dogs are allowed, you've got to go I don't know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Marty ten or some other place instead of Bunny.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Both.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: These are the decisions we have to make in the
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: free market. But it is a bizarre phenomenon how people
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: get so attached their dogs.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: In fact, the dogs.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Get so attached to their owners that they have anxiety
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: in these days. Right made of mine, as you would know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I said it before. I was down in Melbourne on
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: the weekend for Derby Day and good made of mine
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: ps if you're watching, said to me. I was on
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: the phone to him the other night and he said, oh,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: very sorry.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: I would have.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Asked if you wanted to go out for dinner after
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: derby day, except that I had to rush home to
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: the dog because they recently got a done thing. It's
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: about eight months or something now, but recently got a
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: little kvoodle and he has terrible separation anxiety. And so
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: his wife stayed at the apartment in Melbourne and he
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: had to go back to their house in Warrigal because
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: the dog could not.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Be left alone.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: He'd been alone all day.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And so this is like the stuff that's like.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Having a child people have to deal with. I'm going
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: to take the dogs at battings. It's just like, wow,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: the effort that has to be put in. Like I've
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: got I've got two cats, they just sit and forget.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I don't worry about it. They come to work, I
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: go home.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: They're glad to see him, but they don't tear the
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: place a part of it to take him everywhere.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: The fera anxiety thing with cats, right is you say
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: with the cat, you sit and forget.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: That's not what happens. The cat sets and forgets you.
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: Fly.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: Dogs are way better than cats. Yes, they need to
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: all work, they need.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: More attention, but the best things in life require love
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: and care, and the bond between an owner and their
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: dog is like nothing else.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I got treating it like it's your kid. It's an animal.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: For some people it is basically their child, and they
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: should have babies if they can.
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: But it's true, lots of people are lonely.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you dogs are left wing and cats are
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: right wings because dogs are always me Mimi, WA's in
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: it for me. You've got to give me something, help me,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: help me either. Dogs believe in the welfare state. Cats,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: they say, don't treat on me. They're individualists. They make
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: their own way, they make their own money. They can
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: feed themselves. Dogs if you left them alone, they cart it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: For Heaven's sake. Anyway, I do love greyhounds.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Let's move on to New York.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Zor and Mamdani, of course, the radical social has now
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: been elected mayor of New York. Before we get into
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the serious stuff, let's let a little Blue Eyes give
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: you a rendition of his famous song about of course
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: that famous city.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Start spreading the news. I'm leaving today. I want no
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: frigging part of it New York, New York. These Hugo
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: boss shoes.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Are longing to stray and take.
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: An Ubert La Guardia top to Newor. I want to
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: wakeome him in a city that's safe and free without
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: that slick jib ass mayor com mamdany.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Gee, I'm glad they pulled Frank Sinatra out of the
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: grave for that one.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: How good was that?
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Possibly one of the only good uses for AI in
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: my books. But let's get serious now, though.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: You look at the numbers of the people who voted
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: for Zora and Mamdani and it becomes very clear what
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: is actually going on here. This is from exit polls
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: that were published by NBC and the one you can
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: see on your screen there is how people voted based
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: on how long they have lived in New York. And
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: look at the top one. There people who've lived in
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: New York for less than five years, so either margarets
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: or people have moved across the United States. Eighty five
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: percent of them voted for Zora and Mamdani five to
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: ten years, seventy eight percent ten plus years but not
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: born in the city fifty five percent, and staggeringly, of
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: people who were born and bred in New York City,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: only thirty eight percent backed Zora and Mamdani. Then when
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: you break it down by age and gender, it gets
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: even more extraordinary because when you look at these numbers,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: look at.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: That one in the middle.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: There women eighteen to twenty nine years old, eighty four
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: percent of them far outstripping men voted for Zora and Mamdani.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Now I don't know whether that's because they had the
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: hots for him or what, but for goodness sake, these
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: numbers are stark, and I think it really paints the
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: picture of the people who have voted to radically change
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: New York City because that is what they have voted for.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: And fundamentally, it is people who have lived in.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: The city for the shortest period of time, people who
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: are less likely to understand the city, to have the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: patter of the city, to be embedded in the city.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: People who are born and bred.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: And l a known New York like the back of
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: their hand, knew that Zora and Mamdani was not the
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: right guy for the place.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: But you have, obviously and biggest city in the United States.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: It attracts much like Sydney.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: In Melbourne, here a lot of migrants, and overwhelmingly it
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: would seem they have voted for the guy who wants
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: to tear the place up kind of BIG's the question,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: why did you go there in the first place?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Great point. I'm interested in your view Frey on why
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: young women? What was it? Eighty four percent of.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Women aged eighteen to twenty nine voted for this guy.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Do you ever an insight into that?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: I think the.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Way he pitched his message resonates with a lot of women.
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: It was very emotional. I'm here for a fair in
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: New York. I want compassion for the homeless. I want
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: city run grocery stores so no one goes hungry at night.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: It was your classic left.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: Wing emotive campaign that does appeal to young women. But
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: I'm don't know. This really needs to be studied because
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: young women are seriously voting for their own destruction. You've
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: got a guy here that says he wants to defund
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: the police. You think women aren't going to be the
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: most affected by that. You've got a guy here who
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: wants to tax the rich. Okay, so the rich are
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: just going to leave New York and take the jobs
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: with them.
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: That'll hurt women.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: And then his biggest donor is a pack aligned with
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: the Council for American Islamic Relations.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: How's that going to play for women.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: It's this suicidal empathy that has completely possessed jenz women.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: And I don't know, maybe social media has rotted their brain.
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: Maybe they've spent too much time on university campuses and
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: never lived in the real world.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: But without a serious intervention, young women are going to
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: destroy the West. Honestly, if they keep voting eighty five
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: percent for socialist candidates, and if you looked at the
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: data here, look at how many young women are voting
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: for Labor and the Greens.
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: It's probably similar.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: About eighty five percent of them are on the far
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: left versus probably fifteen percent of conservative It's terrible.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, this will spell the end of our civilization
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: if we don't change it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Well, mem Danni certainly thinks the people who voted for
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: him are idiots, because after promising free.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: This and free that, vote for me, everything will be free.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: He hasn't been twenty four hours since election the mayor,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and he's asking for money.
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: Remember how I.
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: Told you a few months ago to stop sending us money.
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: You can start again. This transition requires staff, research, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: an infrastructure that can meet this moment, and it will
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: be made possible by the people who've built and believe
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: in this mortment.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: And that wasn't the only time. Here is again asking
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: for money.
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: Now, there were a few months ago where I told
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: supporters across the city to stop donating, and today I
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: am asking them to start once again.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: He's got some front, doesn't he open. It's going to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: be free, going to take care of everybody. Hey, send
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: your donations in, help help me out.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: That's that's how socialism works, changed exactly.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: And you understand it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: It runs on other people's money.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Definitely, eighteen to twenty nine year old women don't know
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: this well, according to the polling. And I'm not saying
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that just that's what the polls would indicate.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: As was famously said that the problem with socialism is
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: that you do eventually run out other people's money. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: of course, you know, talking about the fact that there
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: was people who've lived in the city for the least
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: period of time who were more likely to vote for him,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: and the idea that it's perhaps because they don't understand
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: New York. Take a look at this woman. Her name
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: is Jennifer Welch. Look, I honestly had no idea who
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: she was apparently she's an interior designer. She's done some
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: television shows in the United States, but of late she's
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: been doing some left wing podcast She's gone completely off
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: the deep end. I mean, God, you could study this
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: woman and write a thesis on her alone.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: She's completely bonkers.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: But you know, she says, this is great Zora and
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: mum Dani, Mirgrant, Muslim.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Whatever is great.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Well because we have no culture wells, I mean, where
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: do you begin with that? And you know, we canhoor
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: and laugh about it, but I think it's really sad actually,
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: and it's perhaps a window into why eighty five percent
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: of people who've lived in New York for less than
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: five years voted for him, because I mean, imagine, let's
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: say you're a Mirgarant and you rock up in the
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: United States, and they'd have all the same problems we
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: have here in the UK has where people basically tell
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: you the culture of the country is illegitimate, and you
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: start to believe that, and you'd go, actually, yeah, this
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: place needs to be dismantled. What sort of hell whole
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: am I living in? I can actually understand how they
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: come to that position, and.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: That sort of retro is symptomatical or a good reflection
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: rather of ma'm danny's victory speech talk about a sore winner.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: There was no grace whatsoever. The crowd booed when his
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: opponents conceded via video. We talked about last night ma'm
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: danny literally taunting Donald Trump, bragging that he's an immigrant
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: and you'll now run New York for immigrants, giving short
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: shrift to locals. It's going to be an interesting few
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: years with what seems like such a nasty person in charge.
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: When you listen to the acceptance speech last night, there
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: was something very pernicious about it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: And even that line.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: There you crusty white people. I mean, I think the
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: left in the US certainly literally just hates white America.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: And she may be a nutcase, as Caleb said, but
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: she's taking accues from the new mayor of New York.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and she's got hundreds of thousands of followers
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: on our podcast. But there is some common sense in
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: the US because Pauline Hanson is over there. She's at
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: Mara Lago speaking at American Sea Pack, spreading some Aussie wisdom.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: The only Australian I should note that was given an
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: invite to the prestigious event.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: Here she is, and she is right.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: There are quite a number of similarities between her and Trump,
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: certainly the fact that everyone an underestimated Donald Trump, and
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: everyone is also underestimated Pauline Hanson as well.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: And you just look at the sum of the stats that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: Are coming out now about how well One Nation is
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: doing as a party.
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: They say their membership has.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: Doubled since the May federal election and they're looking at
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: running more candidates in different seats. Parts of Queensland are
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: starting to look winnable. They've just set up a base
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: in Barnaby Joyce's electorate in New England. When you look
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: at that, you look at how the party is growing,
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: it feels like one nation is on a war footing
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: and if they can keep up this momentum, it's going
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: to be challenging for the Liberal Party.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Pauling Hanson is looking more and more like a twenty
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: year overnight success. It's been quite remarkable what's happened in
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: the past six months. It's interesting comments she made about
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: being in Marra Lago. She described it as a place
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: where there's common sense, there's belief in strong borders, national pride, energy, independence,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: and putting your own people first, all of which I
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: would suggest are pretty basic philosophies that most people would
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: subscribe to, but they are very rare around the Western world.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: So she's found a kindred spirit in Donald Trump, and
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: she's also said that Australia needs to follow more of
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Trump's lead. I look forward to the reaction of people
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: like Shuebridge and others when Pauline Hanson gets back.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: To the Senate.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: People are saying the one nation vote is soft. I'm
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: not so sure about that. I think people really are
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: quite determined to vote for one nation, It's not just polling.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I think she'll be able to maintain it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I look.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, well, part of it probably depends on what
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party manages to do over the next cut.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I think it matters what Susan leaders.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Well, is Susan Lee the leader at the next election.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: But I mean the fact that membership has doubled since
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: the federal election. Obviously we see what's coming through in
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: the polling. People are disenchanted with the major conservative party,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: which is the Liberal Party, which is a phenomenon we've
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: seen across the Western world. It's why Trump basically took
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: over the Republican Party. It's why Faraje is doing so
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: well with reform in the United Kingdom. People just aren't
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: happy that they're not being represented and Pauline Hanson is
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: putting that on the map and goood honor for doing so.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Over in the UK, the BBC will have known. We've
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: covered these stories all week from the Telegraph where they've
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: been slowly drip feeding all these stories that they managed
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: to get out of a dossier that was put together
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: by a whistleblower at the BBC, just blowing the lead
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: on all the incredible bias that they have in so
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: many ways.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: You know, you know the one about Donald Trump.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Where they edited what he'd actually said at a rally.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: They had the stuff where their Arabic service was basically
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: ignoring anything that Israel said and pumping up the tires
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: of a mass. And today's addition is what's going on
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: at their LGBTQ division. Yes, the BBC has an LGBTQ
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: news desk who knew this is what's going on.
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  Speaker 10: This dossia describes in dumbing terms allegations that the BBC's
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: specialist LGBTQ desk had been quote captured by a small
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: group of people promoting the film wall view of the
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: debate and keeping other perspectives off air. But Doossio goes
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: as far as to allege that the BBC shares a
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: constant drip feed of one sided stories that celebrate the
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: trend's experience without adequate balance or objectivity.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're basically saying that it's impossible at the
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: BBC to get up any story that is gender critical
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: or tells the other side of the gender debate. Who
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: would have known that's what happened when you employ a
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: news disk that is specifically assigned to these topics and
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: looks at these topics from the perspective of people who
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: are already in that system.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: That was the thing that astonished me about this story.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: No matter what BBC program it is, if it's a
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: story on LGBTQ issues, you have to go to this
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: special group within the BBC, and they're the only people
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: who do these stories, and so they effectively decide what
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: is and is not covered.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: Someone needs to do this on the AB because I
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: reckon if you started digging, you would find pretty much
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: the same thing going on here.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: There is an Instagram.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: Account called ABC Queer that posts explicitly and only pro
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: LGBTQ stories. How that I mean, that's exactly what is
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: happening at the BBC, and I reckon it's happening here
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: as well.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: All Right, we're going to go to a break.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: including an Adelaide's school teacher under investigation after wearing a
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Halloween costume to school that honestly, when we tell you
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: about it, you'll be shaking your head in disbelief.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: That's coming up next. Welcome back.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at tomorrow's headlines. We'll start with
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: the Adelaide Advertiser, which has, frankly, an incredible story. And
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I don't mean incredible as in good, just incredible as
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: in I shake my head in disbelief. The headline reads
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Teachers Sick prank. A high school teacher is being investigated
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: for attending a staff Halloween event on campus as assassinated
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: American right wing commentator Charlie Kirk. The Advertiser understands Herbrey
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Agricultural High School's Guy Harrison had a fake bullet wound
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: in his neck and was wearing a shirt made to
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: look bloodstained. This occurred last Friday. The principal of the school,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Todd George, said it was a quote completely unacceptable decision
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: and that mister Harrison had been stood down while there
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: was an investigation. I guess when I read something like that,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: my question is, how does somebody So let's assume, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know this, but let's assume he doesn't have
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: any sympathy for Charlie Kirk seemed that way. But how
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: do you think that you can do that and it's
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: going to be okay, Everyone's going to be okay with
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: that and find it presumably funny.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: I am shocked. I don't know what planet he was
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: living on.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: I don't know what world he thought he inhabited, but
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: dressing up as the assassinated father of young children who died,
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: who was murdered because his biggest crime was going to
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: college campuses and talking to young people about politics and faith.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, what kind of example does that set as
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: a teacher? What does that say about his beliefs and
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: what else has he been doing in the classroom. That's
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: what I want to know, because if you're going to
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: that level of dressing up as Charlie Kirk to make
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: fun of him. What else has he been saying to
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: students behind closed doors? Because I guarantee you he doesn't
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: sound like an impartial, objective teacher.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: And you know we can't suggest what he has or
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: hasn't done elsewhere. But is that the kind of guy
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: that you would want your children to have as their teacher.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Imagine if someone rocked up to helloween versus George Floyd,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: what do you think would happen?
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Right? All hell would break loose.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: The fact that it would even go through your head
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: that that would be a fine thing to do, it
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: just battles me.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: The other story of interest on the front page of
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow's advertiser late buses trains our biggest pain, which I
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: suppose means South Australians are like the rest of the country.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: The article reads complaints about public transport services not running
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: on time rose by a whopping eighty seven percent in
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: the past financial year. That's according to the Transport departments
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: ann you'll report a total of seven thousand complaints were
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: made to Adelaide Metro about late services, up from three
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: thy eight hundred and twenty two in the previous year.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Punctuality the biggest concern for public transport users. Can I
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: just say, as a bit of a boast for Chris
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Mins and the New South Wales Metro system, the New
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: South Wales Sydney Metro runs like clockwook except for when
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: it's not running. But when it is running it is
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: an amazing thing. Obviously, I've got some problems in your
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: home eight Kayla.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: It's amazing what you can do a the metro when
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: you don't have drivers driving the things. They just rock up,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: the doors open. You've got to get on before the
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: doors close. There's not much you can do about that.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Thling bang. No drivers.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: But because of the unions, we up still paying staff
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: walk supply to beyond there doing nothing.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Drivers quote hundredquote but I mean, you know, get on
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: top of it. Eighty seven percent increase in complaints. What
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: is going on that?
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: And we should not give New South Wales Labor credit
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: for the Metro that was one hundred percent a New
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: South Wales Liberal project that was.
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: Fully planned and funded by them.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Labor just got to cut the ribbon and now they're
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: delaying the roll out of the rest of it. So
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: bad anyway, in the Australian Tomorrow headline is China's got
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: a tiger in its trade rank. The Trade Minister Don
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Farrell has declared China's economy is in much better health
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: than many believe and the demand is going up for
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: what Australia sells. As Donald Trump's bid to reshape global
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: trade against Beijing faces a serious Supreme Court threat. Senator
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: Farrell in China this week to promote Australian experts, said
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: most Australians did not understand how well the nineteen trillion
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: dollar Chinese economy was doing, and double down on an
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: ambitious target to grow two way trade with China to
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: four hundred billion a year by twenty thirty. This seems
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: like a really weird point for him to bang on about.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: I get it, we want the advantage of a strong
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: economic relationship with China, but you just have to look
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: at their demographics to know that their economy is completely screwed.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, they've got a shrinking population. It's not going
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: to turn around. They're going to have so much excess
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: stuff that they're producing that they're going to have to
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: dump in.
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: The rest of the world. Their economy is screwed.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: What I don't get is the disconnect between On the
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: one hand, we're continually told by national security experts about
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: the likelihood of conflict in this part of the world,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: about China spying on Australia's security threats, and on the
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: other hand, at the same time, the trade relationship is
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: going from strength to strength. We're becoming ever more reliant
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: and locked into doing business with China.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Just to disconnect is quite jarring.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: I'm perplexed by this.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, domestically, I get that they're in trouble,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: but have people been sitting around in the front bar
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: and going, geez, I wonder how well the Chinese economy
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: is doing? And then they look at everything they own
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: and realize it was made in China and go.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: I think they're probably doing quiet all right.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Who's been worried about the state of the Chinese economy
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: as though they don't already make everything and export everything
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: to everyone. I'm not sure who he's talking to here,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: apart from China, of course.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it does seem like a bizarre line to take.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: Also in the Australian Tomorrow, I'm out me too. Young
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: lawyers turned back on sex crime cases. A new generation
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: of lawyers trained in the shadow of the me too
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: movement are increasingly unwilling to take on sexual assault and
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: child sex abuse cases, in a trend that is adding
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: further pressure to a legal system already groaning with a
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: backlog of cases. Multiple criminal lawyers told The Australian that
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: new entrants to the profession were expressing their discomfort in
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: working in the space, leaving a shrinking pool of experience
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: counsel ready and able to both represent and prosecute those
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: accused of sex crimes. And the article goes on to
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: say one lawyer hypothesizers, it's because the culture around me
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: too assumed you were guilty until proven innocent, and so
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: young lawyers go, well, why do I want to represent
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: someone who I.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: Assume is guilty?
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: But the legal system only works if you're innocent until
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: proven guilty, and everyone is entitled to a defense. Otherwise
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: goodbye justice.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: And the other point in the article is that many
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: of these young lawyers have very much a sense that
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: if something makes them uncomfort then they don't need to
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: do it. And of course dealing with sex crime cases
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: would typically, I imagine, be pretty yucky stuff, and so
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: a lot of them just say well, I don't want that,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: and now we've got a shortage of lawyers, particularly for
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: that area of law.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: That's sad because everyone deserves representation and everyone deserves a
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: fair trial. And you know, really, you'd represent an alleged murderer,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: but not an alleged rapist.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: I don't quite get it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: On the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow, School of Rocks,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: extremelyft wing protesters planned of Ireland attack on police, including
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: throwing bricks at them works before chaos erupted In Melbourne,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: CBD last month, the Campaign Against Racism and Fascism held
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: a meeting at the University of Melbourne where attendees were urged.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: To launch missiles at offices.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, these are the anti fascists, mind you, who say
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: that we should be going out and firing missiles at people. Look,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: I'm not terribly surprised to read it, to be perfectly honest,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: but we should drive.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Home the point.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: This is an organized campaign to do physical harm to
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: other people and they think they're on the right side.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Let's finish off with the Canberra Times. Wage bill rises
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: ten percent. This is for public servants in our nation's
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: capital Camberans working across the federal and territory public services
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: were paid sixteen point eight billion dollars last financial year.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: That's a ten percent rise on the previous year. There
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: are now one hundred and fifty five thousand, four hundred
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Camberans working across both levels of government. That's up from
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: one hundred and forty seven thousand, four hundred last year.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty five thousand people out of a
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: population of four hundred and eighty thousand working in the government.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: No wonder, Canberra has a unique feel about it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: No wonder.
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: They've been electing labor governments for thirty years.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: They now need a government in.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: There that's going to keep on keeping them employed and
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: the rest of us can.
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: Pay for it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: They're doing quite well. We're going to go to a
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: break when we come back. What's the longest you've ever
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: been on the phone? Wait until you hear the longest
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: phone call recorded in this country this year by a
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Votera phone customer. And that jewelry theft at the loof, Well,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: when you find out the password used for the video
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: surveillance camera at the louver, might understand why they got
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: away with it. That's coming up next, all right, welcome
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: back to the program. People still reeling about that extraordinary
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: theft at the louver Fray, but there's been some more
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: information about how they might have gotten away with it.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: Well, you would think for a museum holding literally priceless
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: jewels artworks, they would be watertight in terms of their security.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: But it's now been discovered in confidential documents that the
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: password to access the video surveillance for the loof the
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: password is wait for it love. That is like password
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: one two three, and it gets better. For another piece
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: of software, the password was Talis, which.
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: You might go, well, who would guess that?
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: Except the software was made by a company called Talus.
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: It's literally password one two three loop edition.
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: What an embarrassment.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: There you go?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Where do you begin?
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: There's nothing to say about believable.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: No shout out to our producer.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I've seen the past what he uses for news websites,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Well it's probably just as good as that one. Now
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: to having been caught with your trousers down, and I
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: actually mean it literally. This counselor at Glasgow Council, well
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: he found out the hard way what happens when you
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: go to the bog while you're on a zoom call yes,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: no problem and can you can you see this slave
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: or can you hear me?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Yes? Thanks?
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Perfect, good start.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: So that's that's ocation leads to the purpose construction of
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Bathree stories.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: Start Billy Roger, are you awathy of your camera?
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Is life?
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you?
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: No comments?
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: Sir?
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: No comment?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: If you say nothing, you can't be accused of me.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: You can see him starting to pull his trousers down
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: and he's like, oh hang on, that camera's on.
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: That could have.
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: Been a lot worse if that's free with angled just
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: a little bit.
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: Oh no, we would not be able to show that
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: on air.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Pretty Willie at the council meeting.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't go to work after that the next
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: day you stay away from the office.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Hey, before we go, have a look at this.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: These are the longest phone calls recorded this year by
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Vodaphone customers. The number one call by South Australian one
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty three hour long phone call.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: That's five and a.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Half days that this person was on the one call.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Surely they couldn't have been conversing.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: The entire time. They must have fallen asleep then woken up. China,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: do you reckon. It's like a long distance relationship, or
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: it would have to be.
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: I think this is some weird, like year eight high
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: school relationship where.
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: They're like, I just have to be talking to you
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: even while I sleep.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: No, you hang up, No, you hang up, No, you
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: hang up. That's it from us, We're hanging up. Here
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: comes Rida pinnehe she's up next. Good night,