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A Tribute To Dolly Parton · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: So today, you know, there's so many different ways that
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  Speaker 1: we could talk about Dolly, like the glam, the politics
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  Speaker 1: of it all. But we really want to pay tribute
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  Speaker 1: to the incredible songwriter that she was and just highlight
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  Speaker 1: a couple of our favorite songs and why we think
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  Speaker 1: they're so genius.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So to just get us started.
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  Speaker 3: So you know how early Dolly's songwriting began in her life.
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  Speaker 3: She wrote her first song at the age of six.
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  Speaker 3: And because of her family's encouragement, she performed on a
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  Speaker 3: local Knoxville TV variety.
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  Speaker 2: Show by the time she was 10 years old.
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  Speaker 3: And at the age of 13, she made her first
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  Speaker 3: appearance on the Grand Ole Opry stage where she met
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  Speaker 3: Johnny Cash and he encouraged her to pursue her music
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  Speaker 3: and pursue her dreams. And she recorded her very first single,
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  Speaker 3: Puppy Love, as a teenager. So this was her destiny.
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  Speaker 3: She was writing songs. She was performing by the time
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  Speaker 3: she was six years old. And then she never stopped.
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  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Locatora Radio.
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  Speaker 1: Hola, hola, Locamores. I'm Diosa.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Mala.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novela.
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  Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We're in studio today to discuss... A legend, a heartbreak. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The U.S. 's heart is broken. And that is the
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  Speaker 1: passing of icon, country music legend, philanthropist, incredible woman, Dolly Parton.
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  Speaker 2: Truly, truly America's sweetheart.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that America had a love affair with
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  Speaker 3: Dolly Parton from the very beginning when she came on
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  Speaker 3: the scene. She has such a unique voice. She had
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  Speaker 3: such a unique look. And she had a fabulous personality.
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  Speaker 3: I think that to know Dolly was to love Dolly.
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  Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of very clear reasons
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  Speaker 3: for that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think something really fascinating, and I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of journalists and culture writers and music writers have
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  Speaker 1: talked about how Dolly Parton has been able to be
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  Speaker 1: an icon and beloved across genres and across generations. And
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  Speaker 1: she really towed this line of like, Being beloved and
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  Speaker 1: like being, I think, very publicly liberal, but like never
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  Speaker 1: really talking about politics, which people, of course, have their
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  Speaker 1: opinions about. But I think she was able to be
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  Speaker 1: so beloved across, you know, all these different factors, all
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  Speaker 1: these different facets of people because of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she just lived her politic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she did.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: Which was pro-LGBTQ. Yeah. And also I think Christian, but
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  Speaker 1: in the way that we would want a Christian to
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  Speaker 1: like actually live their lives.
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  Speaker 2: Like love thy neighbor.
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  Speaker 1: Love thy neighbor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Dolly was very openly nonjudgmental.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And she talked about the people that she admired and
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  Speaker 3: that influenced her were people like in her stories when
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  Speaker 3: folks would ask her about her style and her big
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  Speaker 3: hair and her big boobs and her tight clothes and
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  Speaker 3: her rhinestones and the loud makeup, she would get a
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  Speaker 3: lot of questions about that. And where did you get
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  Speaker 3: your inspiration for your style? And she would say, well,
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  Speaker 3: growing up, I thought the most glamorous woman in the
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  Speaker 3: world was the town hooker, you know, we would say
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  Speaker 3: sex worker now, but she would like give this acknowledgement
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  Speaker 3: to this particular type of beauty and this aesthetic and
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  Speaker 3: not in a derogatory or a demeaning way, in a
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  Speaker 3: way that said like, this is a type of femininity
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  Speaker 3: that I, have always admired and I'm embracing for myself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that became part of her signature that just really
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  Speaker 3: loud and out there and over the top glamour.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And there's like hyper femininity, right? That I think we,
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  Speaker 1: that has inspired so many. And I think something I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about on the way over here is over
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  Speaker 1: the course of this podcast, we've talked about the transformation
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  Speaker 1: of artists and we've talked about different eras. Dolly Parton
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  Speaker 1: has stayed true to in her persona in how she
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  Speaker 1: presented herself like her image of how we know dolly
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  Speaker 1: has always stayed the same yeah you know it's been
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  Speaker 1: the big hair it's been the tight clothes it's been
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  Speaker 1: the big nails the rhinestones all of it and sure
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  Speaker 1: there's been maybe evolutions and how she's performed and uh
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  Speaker 1: the type of collaborations she's done but i think as
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  Speaker 1: her image has stayed consistent which i think is pretty
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  Speaker 1: rare for an artist that had a decades-long career like
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  Speaker 1: she had Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think for her, it truly was her style.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't a trend. She wasn't like fashion forward.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Her fashion was her fashion and her look was her look.
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  Speaker 1: Her signature look.
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  Speaker 2: Her signature look.
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  Speaker 3: She wasn't like keeping up with the latest. Like she
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  Speaker 3: set her own standard, which is very brave also.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because I think most celebrities, especially.
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  Speaker 3: As they get older, are wanting to like keep up
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  Speaker 3: with whoever's younger, whoever's newer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They want to participate in like what's now and what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Madonna is a really good example of that.
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  Speaker 1: Who's like staying with trends. Love it or hate it.
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  Speaker 1: She is doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But Dolly is like she found her look and she
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  Speaker 3: stuck to it. And there was a lot of variety
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  Speaker 3: in her look. Like she would switch it up. But
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  Speaker 3: the signature was there. So she's best known, I think,
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  Speaker 3: today pop culturally for having that. that vibe and that style,
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  Speaker 3: but really her true enduring genius is in her songwriting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she was a true wordsmith, a true poet,
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  Speaker 3: a true writer, and she wrote her own music. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that so much of her songwriting is really digging,
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  Speaker 3: digging in to the pain and complexity of womanhood, of heartbreak,
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  Speaker 3: and of a womanhood that is born out of deep
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  Speaker 3: rural poverty. So Dolly Parton, her music, her vocal style,
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  Speaker 3: her guitar playing, her songwriting was definitely very heavily influenced
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  Speaker 3: by her Appalachian upbringing. Dolly grew up in a one-room
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  Speaker 3: cabin in rural Tennessee, and.
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  Speaker 2: She was the fourth of 12 children.
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  Speaker 3: And that Appalachian music and Christian faith was a big
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  Speaker 3: part of her influences, which I think really shows up
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  Speaker 3: in her musical, vocal, and songwriting styles.
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  Speaker 1: I think that also knowing her origin story, knowing her
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  Speaker 1: class background also really gives context as to the philanthropy
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  Speaker 1: that she was doing. She founded the Imagination Library, which
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  Speaker 1: was founded in 1995, and it is a book gifting
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  Speaker 1: program that mails free high quality books to children from
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  Speaker 1: birth to age five, no matter their family's income. The
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  Speaker 1: foundation also went on to start giving bilingual books as well.
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  Speaker 1: And I think as of 2023, like 200 million books
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  Speaker 1: have been donated. Because of this foundation. And part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason that she was very much a advocate for
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  Speaker 1: literature and also having a literate country, right? And really
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  Speaker 1: prioritizing that children read is because her father was illiterate.
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  Speaker 1: And that was one of her tributes to him. And so, again,
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  Speaker 1: like knowing her background, her origin, it really... demonstrates like
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  Speaker 1: how she used her millions. She could have been a billionaire, right?
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  Speaker 1: But how she used her money to like give back
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  Speaker 1: to the initiatives she believed in. She also donated a
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  Speaker 1: million dollars to Vanderbilt to fund the COVID-19 vaccine when
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  Speaker 1: they were doing their research during the pandemic. So she
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  Speaker 1: was a philanthropic queen in addition to all the amazing
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  Speaker 1: things that she was doing as a songwriter and artist.
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  Speaker 1: So today, you know, there's so many different ways that
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: we could talk about Dolly, like the glam, the politics
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: of it all. But we really want to pay tribute
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: to the incredible songwriter that she was and just highlight
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: a couple of our favorite songs and why we think
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  Speaker 1: they're so genius.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: So to just get us started, so you know how
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  Speaker 3: early Dolly's songwriting began in her life. She wrote her
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  Speaker 3: first song at the age of six. And because of
• 8:25
  Speaker 3: her family's encouragement, she performed on a local Knoxville TV
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: variety show by the time she was 10 years old.
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: And at the age of 13, she made her first
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: appearance on the Grand Ole Opry stage where she met
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: Johnny Cash and he encouraged her to pursue her music
• 8:43
  Speaker 3: and pursue her dreams. And she recorded her very first single,
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  Speaker 3: Puppy Love, as a teenager. So This was her destiny.
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  Speaker 3: She was writing songs. She was performing by the time
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  Speaker 3: she was six years old. And then she never stopped.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's incredible. Yeah. And, you know, there's just so many
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  Speaker 1: things I want to talk about. But just pivoting real
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  Speaker 1: quick back to the philanthropy and like how she has
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  Speaker 1: really supported education, her employees at Dollywood. she would fund
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  Speaker 1: their education if they were employees. So if they were
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  Speaker 1: working at Dollywood and they wanted to pursue college, higher ed,
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  Speaker 1: some type of other degree, she would fund that. And
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  Speaker 1: also for one of the local high schools, she was
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  Speaker 1: giving like $ 500 to like each student who graduated and
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  Speaker 1: they had a 36% dropout rate and it, lower to 6%
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  Speaker 1: when she started this initiative. I don't recall how long
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  Speaker 1: it lasted, if it's still continuing, but there was a
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  Speaker 1: point where she was encouraging the high school seniors to
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  Speaker 1: graduate from their high school. And so that was another initiative.
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  Speaker 1: So clearly like education, books was very, very important to her.
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  Speaker 1: And it's very clear in the way she was giving
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  Speaker 1: back to her local to her home state.
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  Speaker 3: I remember seeing an interview with her once and she
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  Speaker 3: was already older. And I forget the journalist's name, but
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  Speaker 3: he was asking her, like, why do you keep performing?
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  Speaker 3: Why do you keep working? Why do you keep engaging
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  Speaker 3: in your philanthropy? Like, why don't you just sit on
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  Speaker 3: your pile of money.
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  Speaker 2: Your Dolly Parton?
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  Speaker 3: You can just sit on your millions and have fun.
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  Speaker 3: And she immediately said, like, I've done well, but it
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  Speaker 3: was never about the money for me. It was always
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  Speaker 3: about the art. I love the art and I love
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  Speaker 3: making music. And that's why I do what I do.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like when you have an artist like
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  Speaker 3: her who's truly in it for the love of the game,
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  Speaker 3: I think it then inspires like the paying it forward.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And you don't do that so consistently unless.
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  Speaker 2: You really like have a heart full of love.
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  Speaker 3: Because you're so happy and fulfilled because you've lived your
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  Speaker 3: life creating the art that moves you.
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  Speaker 2: And I just think that it's.
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  Speaker 3: Just also circular, like with Dolly Parton. And she she
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  Speaker 3: was able to pursue her craft and her craft gave
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  Speaker 3: back to her. And then she gave back to those
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  Speaker 3: who supported her. And even those like high school kids
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  Speaker 3: who probably. maybe weren't familiar with her music, but in
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  Speaker 3: her mind, perhaps there's an idea that like.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, Locamores. We'll be right back. Somebody there has.
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  Speaker 3: A dream that they want to pursue.
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  Speaker 2: Like, how can I help?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, and I think in addition
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  Speaker 1: to her, of course, being the incredible artist, She was
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  Speaker 1: also a businesswoman. She was savvy. And I think one
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  Speaker 1: of the stories that really highlights that is through the
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  Speaker 1: song that she wrote, I Will Always Love You. When
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  Speaker 1: she performed that song and when she recorded that song,
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  Speaker 1: it was a successful song. And it could have reached,
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  Speaker 1: you know, different heights when Elvis Presley's team approached her.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted to record the song of I Will Always
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  Speaker 1: Love You, but the caveat was that he had to
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  Speaker 1: own the song. And she said no. And then they said,
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  Speaker 1: they went back and they said, well, what about 50%?
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  Speaker 1: And she cried about it because she really wanted Elvis
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  Speaker 1: Presley to perform her song, to record her song. And
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  Speaker 1: she said no, because... owning, retaining ownership was so important
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  Speaker 1: to her because it was her art. It was her work.
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  Speaker 1: It was her craft. And as we know, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: record it. But then the song went on to be
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  Speaker 1: recorded decades later by the iconic Whitney Houston, who really
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  Speaker 1: made that song her own. But Dolly was able to
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  Speaker 1: retain ownership of the song, which means she retained rights
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  Speaker 1: to it, which means she got paid for it. And
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  Speaker 1: that is like key for an artist, especially of that magnitude.
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  Speaker 1: And we've seen this over the years, like play out
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  Speaker 1: in different ways where artists have to sell the rights
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  Speaker 1: to their songs. They sell their catalog. They don't own
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  Speaker 1: their catalog. Now they're getting like innovative with it, like
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift re-recording her music.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But there's all these horror stories of artists selling their
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  Speaker 1: music or selling rights to something and it actually being
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  Speaker 1: a mistake or being the wrong decision or maybe they
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  Speaker 1: were pressured into it. But she like stood her ground.
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  Speaker 1: And again, considering like the time frame, like. a woman
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  Speaker 1: in this era, a songwriter.
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  Speaker 2: A businesswoman.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's the challenges that I can imagine that were
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  Speaker 1: there for her at that time. And she stood her ground.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it paid off.
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  Speaker 3: She owned her own publishing company. And so she said, well, no,
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  Speaker 3: I have to retain my IP. I own my own
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  Speaker 3: publishing company.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and I will always love you.
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  Speaker 3: One of the most important love songs in the history
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  Speaker 3: of love songs ever, and probably one of her most
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  Speaker 3: famous songs is, And I also think like just the
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  Speaker 3: entire like origin story.
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  Speaker 1: The lore is very good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about the lore.
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  Speaker 3: The entire origin story of that song, because it's a
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  Speaker 3: love song, but it was born out of a heartbreak
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  Speaker 3: that she had when she stepped away from a professional
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  Speaker 3: and creative relationship, not a romantic relationship. Like she wrote
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  Speaker 3: this song when she was going solo because she had
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  Speaker 3: been singing and performing in a duet with Paul. porter
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  Speaker 3: wagner on his syndicated tv show so porter wagner had
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  Speaker 3: this tv show he brought dolly on people loved them
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  Speaker 3: together and so they sang together for seven years on
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  Speaker 3: the porter wagner show but then dolly wanted to go
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  Speaker 3: solo and so she told him like i'm leaving And
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go do my own thing. And he
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  Speaker 3: was very, very upset about it. He didn't want her
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  Speaker 3: to go. And so in an interview with Larry King,
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  Speaker 3: Dolly talks about how in the midst of that professional.
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  Speaker 2: Breakup, she wrote, I will always love you.
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  Speaker 3: And She talks about how it was a very complex
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  Speaker 3: song because it encapsulated all the complex emotions she was
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  Speaker 3: feeling at the time. You know, like, if I stay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm only going to get in your way.
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  Speaker 2: So I have to go.
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  Speaker 3: And I hope life treats you kind and you get
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  Speaker 3: everything you've ever dreamed of. And I'll always love you.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why and how she wrote the song. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she shared the song with Porter Wagner. He
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  Speaker 3: wasn't having it and he sued her. Because he felt
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  Speaker 3: that her fame and her future earnings had something to
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  Speaker 3: do with him having put her on his show and
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  Speaker 3: that he should be entitled to a percentage of her earnings.
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  Speaker 3: And so then it ended very bitterly. They didn't talk for.
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  Speaker 2: A long time. And then eventually... They.
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  Speaker 3: They sort of reconnected and I think that they reconciled.
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  Speaker 3: But what I think is so fascinating about that is
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  Speaker 3: that like that love and heartbreak came from a non-romantic place.
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  Speaker 1: A creative partnership.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: But it's still the love was still so deep. And
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  Speaker 3: today it's like the greatest love song of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and and then and then Whitney took it
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  Speaker 3: to the very next level when she did it for
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  Speaker 3: the bodyguard.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Also an iconic movie.
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  Speaker 2: I love opposite Kevin Costner. They're so great together.
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  Speaker 3: I know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Not to dive too into that, but very good movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, so, so, uh, Love it. Love that song.
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  Speaker 3: There's so many other songs and that maybe are not
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  Speaker 3: as well known by Dolly Parton. One of my personal
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  Speaker 3: favorites that always makes me cry is Coat of Many Colors.
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  Speaker 3: This is such a touching song, again, going back to
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  Speaker 3: like her childhood. So this song, she recalls a story
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  Speaker 3: from when she was a child and. And I guess
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  Speaker 3: her mother received like a box of scraps of fabric
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  Speaker 3: of rags, as Dolly says in the song, and a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of different colors mix matched like pieces of fabric.
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  Speaker 3: And her mom sewed together a coat for her. And
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  Speaker 3: it was the wintertime.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't have a coat.
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  Speaker 3: So her mom sewed together this coat for her. And
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  Speaker 3: Dolly was so proud of it. And she wore it
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  Speaker 3: with such enthusiasm because she knew it was like love
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  Speaker 3: in every stitch. And she went to school and all
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  Speaker 3: the kids made fun of her and they laughed at her.
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  Speaker 3: And she says, you know, they didn't understand that like
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  Speaker 3: my coat of of many colors was worth more than
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  Speaker 3: all of their clothes because it was made with such love.
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  Speaker 3: And so I was so rich because of it. And
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  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, she just like like I think in
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  Speaker 3: her music really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Like, drives home the point that, like, love is the wealth.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Love is the wealth. And I think that that's such
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful message.
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  Speaker 3: And, of course, it's a throwback also to the biblical
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  Speaker 3: story of Joseph and his multicolored coat. And this is
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  Speaker 3: a song that's very much embraced also by, like, the
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  Speaker 3: LGBTQ community because I think that there's layers and layers
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  Speaker 3: and layers and layers of meaning there that a lot
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: of different people can really take away from.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. I love that. Yeah, I mean, and that's such
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  Speaker 1: a good example, I think, of the storytelling, right, in
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: her music and why it resonates across genres. When I
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: say across genres, I mean, like, people who don't typically
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: listen to country music, right, can listen to her with enthusiasm,
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  Speaker 1: that they're fans of her. And so, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that type of storytelling, I think, is We can see
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  Speaker 1: it in genres of music that Latinos listen to. Like
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of corridos. Right. There's like that class struggle.
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  Speaker 1: There's that storytelling of like how I overcame and like
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the the beauty and wealth in my family. And like
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  Speaker 1: this is what I've been able to make with it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so I can see that parallel. And that's really beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like one of the most famous songs, like mariachi songs,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: El Rey.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, Locamores. We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 2: He's basically saying like, I have nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Con dinero, sin dinero.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no one respects me. I don't have money. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a queen, but I'm still the king. Yes. Yes. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And it's that that sentiment that even with wearing rags
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  Speaker 3: and with not a penny to my name, like I
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  Speaker 3: have worth, I have love, like I am somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think, yeah, I think a lot of
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Mexican music like carries that that energy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then that's like a whole deep dive into
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: like country music as a genre right and like all
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: of those the historical context elements of like how country
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: music exists and that cross collaboration, that's an episode for
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: another day, right? But yeah, that type of, the genre
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  Speaker 1: like lends itself to that type of storytelling. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of, it's a lament. Yeah. A lot
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: of lamenting and, but it's beautiful.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of lamenting, I think one of her most
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: popular songs is, and well-known songs is Jolene.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And in this song, Jolene, she is singing to this
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  Speaker 1: very beautiful woman with auburn hair and green eyes. And
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: she's asking her like to not take her man because
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: she's so beautiful. And I can easily understand how you
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: could easily take my man, but you don't know what
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: he means to me, Jolene.
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  Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful. But there's also been remixes of it. And
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: notably Beyonce for Cowboy Carter, her recent album, she spins
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: it and she's like, it's a warning to Jolene. Instead of,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: you know, Dolly Parton's is don't take my man. He
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: means so much to me. You can easily take him,
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  Speaker 1: but please don't. Beyonce is like, I'm warning you. Do
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  Speaker 1: not take my man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that easy. There's a bunch of people like you,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a bunch of women like you. But like, he's not
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: going to leave this home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Very different.
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  Speaker 2: Hot take.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I do not like Beyonce's Jolene cover.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, me either. Me either.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: It's one of those— and I think that's the issue— that' s one
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: of the challenging things of covers, right? Is, like, it's
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: this balance of making it your own but not changing
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: it so much where it's then not recognizable to the original.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that— For Beyoncé and her repertoire, her, like, music,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it makes sense that she spun it in this way, right? Oh, sure.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: We have, like, Lemonade. We have, like, all these references
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to Jay-Z being unfaithful. A descarado, right? So it makes
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: sense that she did this remix. But, yeah, you know,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: some things need to be left, like, intact.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The way they were. The way they're meant to be sung.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: The power in Jolene is really in the woman speaking
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: to the other woman and basically acknowledging like, you know,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: he's a weak man.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And he he will fall.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: And appealing to him is not the way I have
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: to speak to you woman to woman.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And that is like its own theme of music, like
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: woman to woman. Right. That's like Roberta Flack.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: That's its own sub genre within a genre. Right. Of
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like the woman singing to the other woman. Like, please, like, girl.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: And then there's like the other side of it where
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: it's like, take him.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Please.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Right? Do me a favor.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And there's, like, these two spectrums of, like, woman-to-woman anthems. Yeah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: And, like, La India.
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  Speaker 1: Mi mayor venganza.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, yeah. It's my greatest revenge.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: That you have him. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Please.
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  Speaker 2: Take him. Please take him.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: It's so complex. And, yes, Dolly, I think that she...
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: She acknowledged this womanhood thing is very messy, it's very painful,
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  Speaker 3: it's very hard, and I cry. I cry, I beg,
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  Speaker 3: I plead, I get on my own two feet. I triumph,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's the rise and the fall and
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the rise and the fall. And I think that it's
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: very honest.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: The complexities of womanhood.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It's the complexities of womanhood. And I thank her for
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: what she's given us.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And another example of this is she has a great song,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: you know, Just Because I'm a Woman, where she wrote
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: this song out of frustration after her husband of many years,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: her husband, Carl, died. was like questioning her about a
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: past relationship. And I guess it got nasty. And she
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: wrote the song and she says, you know, my mistakes
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: are no worse than yours just because I'm a woman. And,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: you know, she says, I can tell by the way
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: you look at me, I'm sorry that I'm not the
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: woman you thought I'd be. Yes, I've made my mistakes,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: but listen and understand that My mistakes are no worse
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: than yours just because I'm a woman. And I think
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: that's it goes it goes to the core of so
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: many things that we talk about on the show.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Like the misogyny of of rape culture, of slut shaming,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: of the ways that women are held to like impossible
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: standards are. criticized, you know, so harshly for things that
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: men do without reproach. And I think that, you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: she even went in and said, even in my own
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: relationship with my husband, I'm defending myself and my womanhood
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: and I'm putting it on the page and I'm turning
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: it into a song and I'm putting my pain, even
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: within love, I'm turning it into art, you know, which
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: is she's a true artist.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: True artist.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And that is why her legacy will persevere. That is
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: why we will be listening to her for generations to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: come and watching her films for generations to come.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: You know, she was also a very talented actress.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Won many Golden Globes. And so she was extremely multifaceted, multi-talented.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: And she will be dearly, dearly missed.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And we have to make a pilgrimage to Dollywood. I'm
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: calling it now.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, I can't wait for the funeral because I think
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: it's going to be great. Like, I think it's going
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: to be fabulous.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: That is a very weird thing to say, but I
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: totally get what you mean.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So, anywho, thank you for listening.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Also, I got rhinestones on my
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: nails just for Dolly.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: As tribute?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: As tribute.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: She would love them.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Well, thank you, Locamores, for tuning in to
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: another capítulo of Locatora Radio. We hope you enjoyed this
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: tribute to the one and only Dolly Parton. We'll catch
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you next time. Besitos.