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NOLAN WELLS BOMBSHELL RPT: REVEALS NEW WITNESSES, TIMELINE "SHIFT?" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nolan Wells bombshell report tonight? Does it reveal new witnesses?
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Speaker 1: And because of the new timeline report, is there a
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Speaker 1: timeline shift in what happened? The afternoon and evening Nolan
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Speaker 1: Wells seemingly disappears, his body found washed up at Horn Island.
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Speaker 1: Good evening, Imancy, Grace, this is crime Stories. I want
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Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us. What is in
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Speaker 1: that autopsy now?
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Speaker 2: I really want to see the other autopsy to see
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Speaker 2: is there trauma to the body?
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Speaker 3: Is there something that happened.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 3: I could not believe it.
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Speaker 1: I have no doubt that what we're listening to and
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Speaker 1: what she did is credible. Not only has the timeline
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Speaker 1: been analog by the Cajun Navy, the US Cajun Navy
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Speaker 1: based on all sorts of statistical data, new photos are emerging.
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Speaker 1: Take a look at this photo before we go to
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Speaker 1: the Cajun Navy. Look at this Check out what you're seeing.
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Speaker 1: Look at all the boats surrounding where Nolan was leave up.
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Speaker 1: The photo out to Kaitlin Becker, Senior national Correspondent, New
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Speaker 1: York Post, Star of New York Postcast and their new
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Speaker 1: podcast Caitlin, what are we seeing.
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Speaker 5: Well, what we're seeing here comes from this new report
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Speaker 5: from the United Cagian Navy, and you're seeing several boats
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Speaker 5: frun together. This is one of the first images that
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Speaker 5: we've seen of this certain configuration of boats there. They're
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Speaker 5: all identified, one of which was the boat that Nolan
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Speaker 5: came out there on. There's several others kind of anchored
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Speaker 5: with it and tied up, which beg question of where
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Speaker 5: was Nolan when this photo was taken, because it's unclear
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Speaker 5: if he's actually in it, what time was this photo
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Speaker 5: actually taken. So what you're seeing here is, as you said,
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Speaker 5: a potential full of witness it.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Caitlin, look at this. There's boat number one, there's
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Speaker 1: boat X, there's boat number two, there's boat number three,
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Speaker 1: and there's a boat from which the photo is taken.
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Speaker 1: Now look in the water there much has been made.
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Speaker 1: Nolan Wells was drinking, okay, Well, apparently everybody was. They
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Speaker 1: all have containers, open containers in the water. Okay, as
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Speaker 1: far as I know, that's not a felony. Boat number
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Speaker 1: one full of people, Boat X full of people, Boat
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Speaker 1: number two full of people, Boat number three full of people.
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Speaker 1: People on the boat from which the photo was taken.
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Speaker 1: Some of these boats tied together. You know what that
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Speaker 1: means in my world, Caitlin Becker joining us in the
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Speaker 1: New York Post, let me see case. That means witnesses.
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Speaker 1: So when I look at that, I see witnesses. Other
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Speaker 1: people say, hey, there's people having a good time. I
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Speaker 1: see witnesses. Do you see all those people and a
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Speaker 1: lot of you were they? Have they been spoken to?
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Speaker 1: Have they been polygraphed? What can they tell me? That
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Speaker 1: is the question?
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Speaker 5: Right We don't know from an investigative standpoint, who has
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Speaker 5: been spoken to exactly who is in this photo and
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Speaker 5: what they have or haven't pulled. Law enforcement hasn't been
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Speaker 5: really any parents there, but from what our reporting has showed,
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Speaker 5: there have been dozens of people who have spoken to
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Speaker 5: law enforcement as witnesses. But Nancy, we don't know if
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Speaker 5: it's any of these people that you're seeing in this
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Speaker 5: little cove area right here. And the timing, I think
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Speaker 5: is really important because these images are taken right around
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Speaker 5: I think the timeline's about three p thirty ish, four
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Speaker 5: thirty ish when the boat that Nolan came out there
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Speaker 5: on leaves and starts taking on water. That's one of
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Speaker 5: the pegs for the timeline when these photos were actually taken.
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Speaker 5: That is a peg for a timeline. But what we
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Speaker 5: don't know is where Nolan is. There he is, you
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Speaker 5: can see that image right there. But we don't know
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Speaker 5: is where Nolan was when that first image that we
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Speaker 5: saw with all of those boats kind of tied together
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Speaker 5: when that was taken.
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Speaker 1: You are seeing a photo obtained by our friends at
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Speaker 1: the United Cajun Navy. And speaking of the United Cajun Navy.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now is Brian Trasher, Vice President, United Cajun Navy.
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Speaker 1: And for all of you attacking the United Cajun Navy,
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Speaker 1: let's see that aerial footage they provided us. This is
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Speaker 1: from the Cajun Navy describing their search, their aerial search,
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Speaker 1: they spotted Nolan Wells's body. They have been integral in
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Speaker 1: the search for Nolan Wells and helping elucidate the facts
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Speaker 1: as we know them. Brace yourself, Trasher. Everybody else is
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Speaker 1: getting death threats. You might as well join the party.
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Speaker 1: To you, Brian Trasher, The United Cagian Navy has come
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Speaker 1: up with a timeline. Now, did I hear Caitlin Becker
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Speaker 1: from the New York Post correctly that that photo where
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Speaker 1: the boats are named Boat one, Boat two, Boat three,
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Speaker 1: and Boat X, is that from you guys the United
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Speaker 1: Cagian Navy.
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Speaker 6: First of all, I want to thank you for calling
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Speaker 6: and just report what it is. And it's a timeline,
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Speaker 6: and some people have called it an investigative report, and
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Speaker 6: it's not accurate because as you know, we're not investigators.
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Speaker 6: And what we did, Nancy was we asked our followers say, hey,
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Speaker 6: if anybody was there that day, you have pictures, videos, whatever,
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Speaker 6: send it to us just so we can go through
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Speaker 6: it see if there's anything relevant. We took all that
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Speaker 6: information and compiled it into a just one digestible report
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Speaker 6: of things we thought were relevant, could be helpful.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they're not.
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Speaker 6: Maybe law enforcement has already seen all this and it's
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Speaker 6: it's nothing new to them. But we just wanted to
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Speaker 6: be transparent about what we receive. So going back to
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Speaker 6: your question, the pictures that we receive, we did not
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Speaker 6: as an organization take any of these photographs. These are
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Speaker 6: all images that we received from people who are trying
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Speaker 6: to help us out and trying to help no one's
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Speaker 6: family out.
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Speaker 1: So you asked the public for help and you got it.
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Speaker 1: You got a treasure trove of photos, and I find
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Speaker 1: this was significant. Guys, We've got an all star panel,
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Speaker 1: and I would like the all Star panel to look
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Speaker 1: at their screens because I've talked about this before, Brian Trasher,
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Speaker 1: and I'm frankly fed up with attacks on the United
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Speaker 1: Occasion Navy. They're doing something, which is more than all
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Speaker 1: of the haters can say. They're doing something. They have
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Speaker 1: amassed evidence, they have created a timeline to the best
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Speaker 1: of their ability. They have shared it with us, unlike
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Speaker 1: the autopsy that is complete and it's being kept secret
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Speaker 1: from us. That said, they're helping, Why trash them? That's
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a shrink. I can't answer that.
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Speaker 1: Let's look at this photo and determine what, if anything,
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Speaker 1: we can discern. Brian, you and I have talked many,
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Speaker 1: many times, and I told you about a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: I finally convicted on one case. The jury convicted him,
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Speaker 1: and I proved a lot because of one ear ring,
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Speaker 1: one earring I found in a particular location. The victim
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Speaker 1: was wearing an ear ring and the other earring had
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Speaker 1: been sliced out of her ear and I found it
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Speaker 1: somewhere else. And I learned a lot because of where
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Speaker 1: it was. Now, don't even bother to tell me that
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Speaker 1: this photo that you have produced is not probative of something.
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Speaker 1: The cluster of boats number one, I see a lot
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Speaker 1: of witnesses Treasher. What do we know what time this
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Speaker 1: photo was taking?
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Speaker 6: Can? We don't know definitively times on all these because
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Speaker 6: even though there are time stamped, it could be a
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Speaker 6: time when it was screenshotted stamped, not necessarily you know,
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Speaker 6: the original photographs. So we were very careful to denote
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Speaker 6: that in our report that we can't verify timelines, although
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Speaker 6: based on you know, shadows and positions and things like that,
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Speaker 6: we can determine that some of these as noted or
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Speaker 6: taken in the late afternoon. One of the things I
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Speaker 6: thought was interesting about some of these photos we got, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: was that a lot of the photos we had seen
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Speaker 6: before were people like in waste deep water, with some
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Speaker 6: of the photos we provided show people up you know,
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Speaker 6: water up to their chests almost to their neck, and
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Speaker 6: that's not really waiting, that's that's treading water, in my opinion,
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Speaker 6: and that I thought might have been significant to know
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Speaker 6: that that many people were you know, perhaps enjoying some libations,
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Speaker 6: but also in water that might have been a little
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Speaker 6: too deep just to be playing.
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Speaker 1: And good point, you know. He also says something else
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Speaker 1: really smart, and I certainly do not want to rely
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Speaker 1: on this, but sometimes you have to. You take the
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Speaker 1: evidence as you find it, and you make the most
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Speaker 1: of what you've got. You said you could tell this
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Speaker 1: was late in the afternoon because of the shadowing. I
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Speaker 1: wonder if the tide could tell me anything, because how
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Speaker 1: high up the water is. But these people holding drinks,
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Speaker 1: they're not treading water. Trasher, They're standing there. These people
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Speaker 1: are not treading water, and the water is up to
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Speaker 1: their armpits. Is that the photo you're talking about as
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Speaker 1: to where you think some of them are treading water?
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Speaker 1: Or are there other photos.
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Speaker 6: The photo at the top, Yes, you're right, it's but
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Speaker 6: up to their armpit. I think there was one later
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Speaker 6: in the report that showed some of the kids. This
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Speaker 6: is where this is a screenshot of a social media post,
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Speaker 6: and there's three boats visible, one fourth boat further in
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Speaker 6: the distance, but a lot of kids on one boat,
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Speaker 6: say kid, you or one boat? Some on the boats,
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Speaker 6: some in the water, and some of them it looks
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Speaker 6: you know, maybe up to the armpit, but some of
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Speaker 6: them depend on their own height. It looks like it's
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Speaker 6: you know, I could see a girl holding something in
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Speaker 6: her hand and the water looks to be pretty close
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Speaker 6: to her neck, so.
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Speaker 3: That's pretty far out. No.
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Speaker 6: We've said several times that Horn Island has a very
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Speaker 6: aggressive slope, so you can be in shallow water in
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Speaker 6: deep water within just a few steps, and once you
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Speaker 6: get into that deep water, you're not as able to
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Speaker 6: keep your feet on the ground if a current comes
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Speaker 6: and pulls you, or God forbid, a riptide comes and
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Speaker 6: drags you. So that's why we thought it was significant
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Speaker 6: to know that they were socializing in fairly deep water.
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Speaker 1: Can we go back to the main photo where the
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Speaker 1: boats are numbered one, two, three X. Isn't it true
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Speaker 1: Brian Trasher that these boats are easily identifiable by a
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Speaker 1: I call it a tail number like you would apply in.
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Speaker 1: Every boat has to be registered or supposed to be registered,
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Speaker 1: has a number on it and often has a name
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Speaker 1: like trytime, what was named mac Daddy, there were other names.
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Speaker 1: They're registered and you know who the owner is, and
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Speaker 1: the owner can tell us who was on the boat
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Speaker 1: that day. Is that correct?
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Speaker 6: Theoretically, yeah, if you can make out the if you
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Speaker 6: can make out the registration number or the name of
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Speaker 6: the boat, if the vessel's name is registered, you know,
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Speaker 6: uh with along with the.
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Speaker 3: With the with the registration number.
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Speaker 6: Usually that's sometimes only on a on a coastguard document,
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Speaker 6: but sometimes on a state registration you can put the
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Speaker 6: vehicle the boat name if it's asked for or if
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Speaker 6: you have one. So that is all possible, you know,
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Speaker 6: I'm told and we you know, we're asked to compare
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Speaker 6: notes with the with the Sheriff's office, which we're doing.
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Speaker 6: But I was told that there's been a lot of
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Speaker 6: people that have been contacted and interviewed, and there's a
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Speaker 6: lot of people who were there that day that voluntarily
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Speaker 6: came forward to tell what they know, and because they
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Speaker 6: might have seen their boats and pictures, say oh, you know,
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Speaker 6: we might want to go ahead and call them and
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Speaker 6: let them know, you know, where we were.
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Speaker 3: Who is with us, and what we know.
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Speaker 6: So I commend those people for coming forward because it's
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Speaker 6: not always easy.
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Speaker 1: To Marie Pereira joining us, in addition to the vice
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Speaker 1: president of the United Cajun Navy, who has been there
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Speaker 1: from the get go, trying to help solve the case.
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Speaker 1: Marie Pereira registered nurse, which is important, but she is
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Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney and domestic violence expert. She is
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Speaker 1: a violence expert, certified advocate. Marie, you saw that all
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Speaker 1: those people in my book are witnesses. One of them
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Speaker 1: is saying at seven point thirty, no one was nowhere
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Speaker 1: to be seen. Now I want to see the video
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Speaker 1: or the photo again, because you want to tell me
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Speaker 1: that this guy, Nolan Wills, hit his head and drowned
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Speaker 1: and none of those people saw what happened. I find
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Speaker 1: that really hard to believe.
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Speaker 4: It is hard to believe, and that's why it's extremely
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Speaker 4: important and that the law enforcement are not too proud
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Speaker 4: to get help from the public. Like you said, if
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Speaker 4: people are sending in videos, they should be using those
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Speaker 4: videos to conduct further investigation. I'm praying that this is
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Speaker 4: a situation like Brian Coolberger, where the police department they
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Speaker 4: were being ragged and being called ranky dank police while
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Speaker 4: all the time they were investigating and putting together a
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Speaker 4: case against him.
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Speaker 1: I hold them that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because all the time they were saying, oh what
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Speaker 4: are they doing? It was a I think the DA
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Speaker 4: had a long, big beard, which wasn't very conducive to
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Speaker 4: believing he knew what he was doing, but they knew.
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Speaker 7: What they were doing.
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Speaker 1: It look like Leonard Skinner sitting there. That video is
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Speaker 1: from Officer Tatum's podcast. All this means witnesses to me?
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Speaker 1: And do you remember in the Diddy case there was
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Speaker 1: actually a toll free number for victims to call there
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Speaker 1: or that many victims, Not that it helped at the trial,
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Speaker 1: But that said, I think there needs to be a
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Speaker 1: toll free number. If you think you have evidence, dial
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Speaker 1: the number. If you have photos. Like the United Cajun
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Speaker 1: Navy is doing, they ask for the public's help. They
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Speaker 1: got the public's help, and there's more to get. That's
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Speaker 1: what is needed now. Every picture, every video. How often
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Speaker 1: have cases been cracked when someone spots something in a
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Speaker 1: picture they hadn't noticed before, or their memory is jogged
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Speaker 1: by a photo or information they've seen online. I've pointed
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Speaker 1: to this a million times. Brian Trasher, the Gabby Petito case.
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Speaker 1: Her body would never have been found if it weren't
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Speaker 1: for amateur sluice. I believe their name is Red Blue
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Speaker 1: and Methane. They were a couple out in the middle
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Speaker 1: of nowhere in dispersed camping where there are no porta potties,
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Speaker 1: no lights, no hookups, no anything, is just you and
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Speaker 1: the wild animals I've camped and dispersed before. They're out
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Speaker 1: there and they see a vehicle and they go, uh,
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Speaker 1: that's Gabby's for transit, and they call authorities who would
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Speaker 1: never have gone to this dispersed camping area and they
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Speaker 1: find her remains. That's how the case was cracked. Who
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Speaker 1: knows what photo, what tip United Cajun Navy or law
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Speaker 1: enforcement or the Nolan Wills team might get that might
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Speaker 1: crack this case wide open. So that said, Brian, how
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Speaker 1: did you create this time a lot? I find it
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Speaker 1: very interesting?
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Speaker 6: So, first of all, going back to your comment about
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Speaker 6: Internet slue, there's a lot of people consider themselves internet slue.
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Speaker 3: So some people really are good.
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Speaker 6: And there's one young lady who's helped us out on
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Speaker 6: many cases, who was very helpful in this case. I
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Speaker 6: haven't asked her permission yet if I could say her name,
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Speaker 6: but if she gives me permission and I'll come back on,
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Speaker 6: I'll be happy to give her credit for all the
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Speaker 6: help she gave us. But basically what we did was
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Speaker 6: we took Like I said, we took these pictures. We
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Speaker 6: we juxtaposed them to you know, like like Google Earth
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Speaker 6: and satellite pictures of the island to try to determine
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Speaker 6: exactly where they were. We looked at the initial coordinates
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Speaker 6: called out from the UH I think from the Coastguard
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Speaker 6: or from Marine Patrol when the when the missing persons
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Speaker 6: report first went out, and basically just just try to
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Speaker 6: run these pictures against each other to say, Okay, this
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Speaker 6: boat's here, now, it's not here later, you know, and
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Speaker 6: again just create an index.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 6: We had to use some software to help us create
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Speaker 6: the index of the pictures and make sure we put.
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Speaker 3: It into the best timeline we could.
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Speaker 6: We included social media posts that you know, may or
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Speaker 6: may not have been definitive, but these are This was
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Speaker 6: happening in real time, so we thought it was important
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Speaker 6: to put those up there to create context. And so
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Speaker 6: again like just trying to you know, our goal was
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Speaker 6: to take what we received, put it into a digestible
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Speaker 6: format that just about anybody could understand hopefully, and if
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Speaker 6: it's helpful, great, If it's not, then I don't think
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Speaker 6: no harm, no foul, you know, to.
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter based on this timeline,
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Speaker 1: and it may be refined as the days go forward.
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Speaker 1: How does it shift the timeline because there is a
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Speaker 1: group of people fighting at five pm? Who are they?
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Speaker 1: The friends say they leave at four point thirty one,
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Speaker 1: that should be able to be verified through GPS five pm.
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Speaker 1: No one, according to them is still at Horn Island?
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Speaker 1: Is he? Because by seven thirty witness states no one,
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Speaker 1: no one nowhere in sights. So where was he? He
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Speaker 1: wasn't floating in the water, He wasn't on the shore.
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Speaker 1: If he had hold on Dave to Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: if he had drowned, what m hm, he be floating
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Speaker 1: in the water?
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Speaker 8: Perhaps I've seen bodies in the immediate that will go
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Speaker 8: directly to the bottom, and there are those that do
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Speaker 8: in fact float. So a lot of it is going
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Speaker 8: to depend upon, uh, the temperature of the water many times,
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Speaker 8: a lot of it's going to depend upon is there
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Speaker 8: anything else out there that could let's see, how can
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Speaker 8: I put this that could in fact impede the body's
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Speaker 8: ability to float to the top, like beneath a boat.
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Speaker 8: And as you can see, there are a lot of
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Speaker 8: boats out there, So if in fact that had occurred,
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Speaker 8: you can actually have bodies that will be caught beneath
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Speaker 8: other vessels or cases like that where they're you know,
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Speaker 8: they were looking around for for someone and they couldn't
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Speaker 8: find them because the whole area was surrounded by vessels.
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Speaker 8: And so there are a lot of elements that go
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Speaker 8: into this.
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Speaker 1: Now, the photo we keep showing you is on page
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Speaker 1: twelve of the United Cajun Navy report. It shows three
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Speaker 1: boats and more anchored side by side. Boat number three,
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Speaker 1: the Palm Beach, and also the Triton we believe, which
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Speaker 1: is the boat that took Nolan to Horn Island. It's
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Speaker 1: also the boat that reportedly leaves according to the occupants
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Speaker 1: without Nolan. They claim they begged him to board their vessel,
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Speaker 1: but he said no. Let me understand this. According Caitlin Becker,
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Speaker 1: according to the mysterious Katie not that mysterious because her
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Speaker 1: sister has posted and we've obtained her photo. We think
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Speaker 1: she says he left with his friends. They say he
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Speaker 1: stayed with her. Okay, that's problem.
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Speaker 5: Yep, that's a problem. And they're also a few friends
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Speaker 5: that he had come out with. So the Triton that
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Speaker 5: he was on. There were three or four people on
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Speaker 5: that particular boat that's the one that he had come
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Speaker 5: out on and the ones that hit the one that
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Speaker 5: his friends say. We asked him to get back on
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Speaker 5: the boat. He didn't get back on the boat. His
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Speaker 5: phone was on the boat. We left, We took on water,
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Speaker 5: we needed help. He said he was going to stay
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Speaker 5: to talk to this mysterious, as you said, Katie. Mysterious.
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Speaker 5: Katie says that she talked to him for a minute.
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Speaker 5: It was no big deal. That his friends called him
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Speaker 5: back and that's where he went, and she just assumed
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Speaker 5: he went back on the boat with his friends. The
20:32
Speaker 5: issue I think that we're running into here is that
20:34
Speaker 5: the friends weren't just the four that you're seeing right here.
20:37
Speaker 5: There were multiple boats, three boats full of friends that
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Speaker 5: came out. So could he have been going back to
20:43
Speaker 5: a second boat full of his friends while the triton
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Speaker 5: was gone, or were they referring to the triton itself.
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Speaker 5: That I think is where the biggest bit of confusion lays.
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Speaker 2: Well, here's the problem, Nancy, is I keep hearing friends,
20:56
Speaker 2: but you realize that Nolan, he went out to Horn
20:59
Speaker 2: Island on a boat. You know, Warren Hudson has talked
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Speaker 2: a lot. He's been with Officer Tatum, talking about, you know,
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Speaker 2: his best friend Nolan.
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Speaker 3: And the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: But first of all, Warren did not go to Horn
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Speaker 2: Island on the same boat as Nolan Wells, and we
21:13
Speaker 2: have heard over and over from parents and friends he would,
21:16
Speaker 2: you know, run with the one that got you there, right,
21:19
Speaker 2: So Nolan went with one boat and they expected he
21:21
Speaker 2: would return on the same boat. Yet we're now finding
21:24
Speaker 2: out that was never the plan. He was never going
21:28
Speaker 2: back on the same boat that took him to the island.
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Speaker 2: So when we talk about this group of friends, Nancy,
21:35
Speaker 2: they were scattered on three or four different boats, and
21:39
Speaker 2: we keep focusing on the one with the Bilch pump problem.
21:42
Speaker 2: But now, what boat was Nolan Wells supposed to be
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Speaker 2: going back to the mainland. We know he didn't ride
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Speaker 2: with Warren Hudson to the island, so what was he supposed.
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Speaker 3: To be on.
21:56
Speaker 1: Brian Trasher joining US Vice President United k Navy on
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Speaker 1: the case from the very beginning, Brian, do we know
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Speaker 1: the time of the sea tow call made from the triton?
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Speaker 3: We do, I don't know it off the top of
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Speaker 3: my head.
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Speaker 6: But I know it's been it's been reported, and obviously
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Speaker 6: the Sea Toe would have the exact you know time
22:19
Speaker 6: of that recording and stuff in their archives and uh,
22:23
Speaker 6: but it seems like it was, you know, after three o'clock,
22:27
Speaker 6: before four point thirty. And we know that the toe
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Speaker 6: was canceled because somebody got in touch with mart Edmondson,
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Speaker 6: who ended up towing the boat himself, being a good Samaritan.
22:36
Speaker 6: And of course now that poor guy is getting you know,
22:39
Speaker 6: raked over the coals just for being a good you
22:42
Speaker 6: know what. What We try to tell everybody to be neighbor,
22:44
Speaker 6: help and neighbor.
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Speaker 1: Now, didn't the grandpa call and cancel the toe?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: I think that I saw that report as well, And
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Speaker 6: it may have been that somebody contacted him and said, hey,
22:54
Speaker 6: we got somebody to toe, and so maybe he called
22:56
Speaker 6: because he had a better signal and said, hey, they
22:59
Speaker 6: don't need it anymore. Again, these are all kind of,
23:02
Speaker 6: you know, the things that we're already out there. I
23:04
Speaker 6: don't think we included too much about that in I
23:06
Speaker 6: report because it had been reported on so much. But
23:08
Speaker 6: I also just wanted to point out too on the
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Speaker 6: photo on page fourteen, this is one that we included
23:14
Speaker 6: even though we could there's a young man that matches
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Speaker 6: Nolan's description, and I'm saying it that way because we
23:20
Speaker 6: can't verify that it's him in this picture, and he's
23:23
Speaker 6: partially in it because there's a girl blocking then. But
23:26
Speaker 6: it's a young, slender African American male wearing blue swim
23:30
Speaker 6: trunks from what you could see in the picture. According
23:33
Speaker 6: to the person that submitted that photo, it was taken
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Speaker 6: at approximately four point fifty pm Central time on July fourth,
23:40
Speaker 6: which would have been after the GPS data says that
23:44
Speaker 6: they had Triton had left Horn Island. Now that's only
23:48
Speaker 6: relevant if this young man in the picture actually turns
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Speaker 6: out to be Nolan.
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Speaker 3: We never could verify it, but we thought it was.
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Speaker 6: Important enough to at least include as a possibility.
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Speaker 1: You are now seeing the photo that Brian Trasher from
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Speaker 1: United Occasion Navy has provided on page fourteen of their
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Speaker 1: new timeline report. We're blowing it up. We see one, two,
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Speaker 1: three at the forefront, three white females in bikinis, one
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Speaker 1: white male walking along. Now beside the woman in the
24:26
Speaker 1: bikini on the right, I see two people. One looks
24:31
Speaker 1: like a female furthest a. Wait, but between the white
24:37
Speaker 1: female and the other female, there is an African American
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Speaker 1: male that does not look like Nolan. Wills to me, Okay,
24:47
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to bring in NASA to enhance this.
24:53
Speaker 1: Brian Trasher, does this guy have facial hair that's.
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Speaker 3: Not Nolan it's I mean again, we couldn't verify.
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Speaker 6: We could tell that it was an African American male
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Speaker 6: on the beach wearing blue swim trunks. We thought that
25:05
Speaker 6: was enough to say, okay, it's possible.
25:07
Speaker 3: But we did those.
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Speaker 1: Those deep dark blue.
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Speaker 6: It looks like it. But Nancy, I don't know if
25:15
Speaker 6: this picture has been enhanced. I don't know if it's
25:17
Speaker 6: been filtered. You know what I'm saying. So again that
25:19
Speaker 6: that that's the whole reason why we couldn't corroborate. But
25:22
Speaker 6: it was like, okay, and and and also too, this
25:25
Speaker 6: does create a good picture of a flotilla of boats
25:30
Speaker 6: and where if we had we were looking for a
25:31
Speaker 6: particular one. You know, it was one a good one
25:34
Speaker 6: to hang on to you so again, fully fully disclosing
25:38
Speaker 6: that we could not definitively say whether that was him
25:41
Speaker 6: or not.
25:42
Speaker 1: Probably not, but it's we needed for the investigation. We
25:46
Speaker 1: need it, and you provided it. Got okay? So is
25:51
Speaker 1: this no one? If it is no one, this is
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Speaker 1: at four point fifty four five zero and profs he's
25:56
Speaker 1: still on the island when the other boat, the Triton, leaves.
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Speaker 1: I don't think this is no one. But that's just
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Speaker 1: my own two eyes twenty twenty eighteen. It needs to
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Speaker 1: be enhanced. Joining us now veteran trial lawyer out of
26:13
Speaker 1: South Carolina jurisdiction, John Mobley, the founder of the John
26:17
Speaker 1: Mobley Law Firm. See, a lot of people would say, oh,
26:21
Speaker 1: this is a nightmare. All these witnesses. I would have
26:24
Speaker 1: a field day interviewing each witness separately. It's like a bonanza.
26:30
Speaker 1: What do you make of what you're hearing? Mobley?
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, Nancy, I gotta call it like I
26:36
Speaker 7: see it. I review the support in detail. I don't
26:40
Speaker 7: think it puts any points on the board. I don't
26:42
Speaker 7: think it moves the needle. If anything, I think it
26:45
Speaker 7: shows everyone that has opinions out there how difficult it
26:49
Speaker 7: is to find reliable information. Because one thing I will
26:52
Speaker 7: have to say about the support, although I didn't find
26:55
Speaker 7: it particularly youthful, is that you know, it sourced all
26:58
Speaker 7: of its information, you know, and unlike a Netflix documentary
27:02
Speaker 7: where people will form opinions on second and third hand information,
27:06
Speaker 7: it would say this person said this, but this person
27:09
Speaker 7: didn't witness it firsthand. This person repeated what someone else said,
27:13
Speaker 7: or it said this person made this statement on Facebook.
27:16
Speaker 7: I mean even the digital information, the photos, those aren't
27:19
Speaker 7: reliable because number one, like they say, you know, you
27:22
Speaker 7: can't corroborate the time stamp it to be the time
27:25
Speaker 7: stamped to be when the photo was screenshot versus taken
27:28
Speaker 7: or even in the last one, we looked at their saying,
27:31
Speaker 7: they can't say it was reliable because it could have
27:33
Speaker 7: been enhanced, you know, with the color manipulated. So I
27:35
Speaker 7: think it just goes to show how difficult it is
27:38
Speaker 7: to find any real reliable information on this case.
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Speaker 1: Mobley, no offense, but you're wasting my time. I got
27:49
Speaker 1: one hour tonight and you just wasted almost one minute
27:55
Speaker 1: of it. Every investigation starts somewhere only just in ah something.
28:00
Speaker 1: You have tried a lot of cases, right, That's what
28:02
Speaker 1: I was told ton and I one most of them.
28:08
Speaker 1: Nothing like tooting your own horn ba lah. That said,
28:14
Speaker 1: every investigation starts some aware. Yes, I don't have the timestamp,
28:22
Speaker 1: but I can get the timestamp because I know now
28:24
Speaker 1: I know about the photo. You start somewhere, then you
28:29
Speaker 1: start digging, and then you find out what time it
28:31
Speaker 1: was taken. Then you find out if it was enhanced.
28:33
Speaker 1: Then you find out is that no one at four
28:36
Speaker 1: fifty in the boat has left? You enhance that audio
28:40
Speaker 1: we keep playing. You find out if they're saying no one,
28:43
Speaker 1: no one's dead, no one. I don't know if that's
28:46
Speaker 1: real or not, but I can find out if it's real.
28:49
Speaker 1: So for you, a trial lawyer like yourself, in your
28:54
Speaker 1: own words one most of them. You know, evidence is
28:58
Speaker 1: not handed to you, Ma, we on a silver platter
29:01
Speaker 1: on top of a Christmas tree. You have to find it,
29:05
Speaker 1: you have to investigate it. And that is the point
29:08
Speaker 1: of this timeline from the occasion Navy, they're giving us
29:12
Speaker 1: a plethora, a corner ucopia of evidence for us to
29:17
Speaker 1: start with. What don't waste another minute?
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Speaker 2: Don't do it not a rabbit hole.
29:22
Speaker 7: It takes you down a rabbit hole information that may
29:24
Speaker 7: not be reliable. The best thing to do with the
29:27
Speaker 7: who was paying you?
29:28
Speaker 1: Because it ain't me. We don't pay guests. Rabbit hole,
29:32
Speaker 1: my rear end objection, my rear end a rabbit hole.
29:37
Speaker 1: That's like, you get a list of witnesses and go, yeah,
29:39
Speaker 1: I don't have their addresses. Screw it. You have to
29:43
Speaker 1: find them. You have to find the people that took
29:46
Speaker 1: these pictures. You have to find the people that were
29:48
Speaker 1: on those boats. After you ide the boats, then you
29:50
Speaker 1: have to take them one by one by one and
29:54
Speaker 1: interview you know what, I'm sending him to the corner
29:56
Speaker 1: and let him think about what you just said. Trash her.
29:59
Speaker 1: That's it's a tiny taste of what you're about to get. Hey,
30:02
Speaker 1: Caitlin Becker joining US senior national correspondent, New York Post,
30:07
Speaker 1: star of n Why Post Cast. That's her podcast, Caitlin,
30:12
Speaker 1: what do you make of the photos of the timeline
30:14
Speaker 1: created this far by the United caj Navy. Come on,
30:17
Speaker 1: it's something we've got something. We're not getting anything from
30:21
Speaker 1: the government. We don't have the autopsy, we don't have
30:23
Speaker 1: any information nothing. They've gone radio silent.
30:27
Speaker 5: It's exceptionally exceptionally helpful to have these things lead out
30:30
Speaker 5: in this way with coordinates and times and pulling in
30:34
Speaker 5: some of the relevant social media information while also noting
30:38
Speaker 5: that it hasn't been verified. It's giving us, I think,
30:40
Speaker 5: the most comprehensive timeline that we could possibly have. I
30:44
Speaker 5: mean not to push back, because I feel like you
30:46
Speaker 5: pushed back so much on that board man, But the
30:49
Speaker 5: rabbit hole is the Internet. The rabbit hole is reading
30:52
Speaker 5: every single person's theory. This is concrete information, and when
30:57
Speaker 5: it's not concrete, it says this hasn't been verified. This
31:00
Speaker 5: is at least giving me, from an investigative standpoint as
31:03
Speaker 5: a journalist, somewhere to focus my efforts to focus my search.
31:08
Speaker 5: The thing that stands out to me are all of
31:10
Speaker 5: the people, like you said, potential witnesses, but also how
31:13
Speaker 5: similar everyone is dressed. They're all in bathing suits, and
31:16
Speaker 5: all the boats look pretty similar to me too, So
31:19
Speaker 5: that to me indicates that someone who's saying I saw
31:22
Speaker 5: this person on this boat, I saw that person on
31:24
Speaker 5: that boat might not be super clear on that, because
31:27
Speaker 5: as I'm looking at this image, everybody kind of looks
31:30
Speaker 5: the same. All the boats kind of look the same,
31:32
Speaker 5: which does muddy the waters even more and makes her
31:34
Speaker 5: talking to them.
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Speaker 1: So I've got to work with you before I put
31:38
Speaker 1: you on the stand. Girl, Ah ah knew you are
31:42
Speaker 1: not getting up there and saying they all look the
31:44
Speaker 1: same to me. No, we would get the name of
31:49
Speaker 1: the boats. We would find who was out on the
31:52
Speaker 1: boat that day from its owner, and I would ask
31:55
Speaker 1: them who's on the boat. I would not rely no
31:59
Speaker 1: offense on your boozy eyesight from thirty yards away. Okay,
32:03
Speaker 1: no offense, Canns.
32:04
Speaker 6: Neither would I.
32:05
Speaker 5: Neither would I.
32:08
Speaker 1: But there are ways to contrary to what Mobley just
32:11
Speaker 1: blurt about, there are ways to find these witnesses and
32:14
Speaker 1: nail them down. If that photo is Nolan Wells and
32:19
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like Nolan to me, then he's on
32:22
Speaker 1: the island at seven pm. Okay. Now, let me remind
32:29
Speaker 1: everybody that the guys on the boat, the Triton, with
32:33
Speaker 1: no one. They're not charged with anything. They are presumed innocent,
32:40
Speaker 1: So don't be starting up the death threats and all
32:42
Speaker 1: that on them. We need them interviewed separately. If they
32:46
Speaker 1: hadn't already been, who knows what we can learn from them.
32:49
Speaker 1: Don't attack them. I want you to hear what one
32:54
Speaker 1: of them said though about the mysterious Katie.
32:58
Speaker 9: I didn't wake up again until a little after eleven o'clock.
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Speaker 3: And that was to.
33:05
Speaker 9: My brother coming in the room and being like hey,
33:09
Speaker 9: or trying to get a hold of you. Warren gets
33:11
Speaker 9: on the phone and he's just like hey, man.
33:12
Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 9: He was like, hey, have you talked to Nolan anything else?
33:16
Speaker 9: I was like, no, I havenulta talked to him. Man,
33:17
Speaker 9: he was with that girl last time I knew. And
33:20
Speaker 9: he was like okay. He was like he was like, man,
33:22
Speaker 9: we can't get a hold of him. We don't know
33:23
Speaker 9: where he's at. I was like, man, it's Nolan. He's
33:26
Speaker 9: probably just out somewhere with that girl.
33:28
Speaker 6: Like, get ahold of the girl.
33:29
Speaker 9: You'll probably find Nolan.
33:30
Speaker 1: Okay, right there, I'm getting a red flag. That's from
33:33
Speaker 1: the Officer Tatum podcast who joined us recently. That girl,
33:40
Speaker 1: the mysterious Katie. Remember nobody who knew who she was?
33:43
Speaker 1: But then later Dave Matt do we learn that one
33:47
Speaker 1: of the guys on the boat had been texting with
33:49
Speaker 1: her and new full well who it was. Where did
33:52
Speaker 1: the name Katie come from?
33:54
Speaker 2: Katie was known to the at least one person in
33:58
Speaker 2: the group, and that leads you to believe there were
34:00
Speaker 2: certainly more. There were a number of comments publicly made
34:04
Speaker 2: by friends of Nolan that backtracking claiming they didn't know
34:09
Speaker 2: who Katie was, didn't had never seen her before, and
34:12
Speaker 2: then you find out, yeah, well not only did they
34:15
Speaker 2: know her, but they were texting around about her. So
34:19
Speaker 2: there's a lot of missing information here, Nancy. And it's
34:21
Speaker 2: why you said all along, why are these guys not
34:24
Speaker 2: on a polygraph?
34:25
Speaker 1: Marie?
34:26
Speaker 4: Just because we're having a lot of people coming up
34:29
Speaker 4: with a lot of different theories. I agree with Caitlin.
34:33
Speaker 4: Not every theory deserves the breath of air.
34:36
Speaker 3: It's not all true.
34:38
Speaker 4: I think it could confuse the search for justice when
34:42
Speaker 4: we're entertaining every single person who posts every single theory,
34:46
Speaker 4: even when it makes no sense. And I have to
34:49
Speaker 4: bring my friend out of probation and say that you can't,
34:53
Speaker 4: you know, go according to every single piece of information
34:56
Speaker 4: you get. It has to make sense to war the
35:01
Speaker 4: investigators taking time to investigate, and the fact that they're
35:04
Speaker 4: not sharing with us it doesn't necessarily mean that they're
35:08
Speaker 4: not doing it all. There's no law that says they
35:11
Speaker 4: have to share everything they're finding out with the public.
35:17
Speaker 1: This is all unfolding. As we go to air tonight.
35:23
Speaker 1: We wait for that toxicology report. We wait for the
35:29
Speaker 1: autopsy to be revealed, We wait for a witness list
35:35
Speaker 1: to be produced. At this hour reports a green jury
35:39
Speaker 1: is convening to amass evidence, much the way the Cajun
35:44
Speaker 1: Navy did. If you know or think you know anything
35:49
Speaker 1: regarding this case, dial two two eight seven sixty nine
35:53
Speaker 1: three zero six three two two eight seven six nine
35:59
Speaker 1: three zero six three. There's been a lot of questions
36:04
Speaker 1: regarding this number. That is the number for law enforcement.
36:10
Speaker 1: We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Bradley Link Link
36:14
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Florida, just twenty eight, gunned down in the
36:19
Speaker 1: line of duty, leaving behind a wife now widow, Brittany
36:25
Speaker 1: American hero Deputy Sheriff Bradley Link. Thank you to our guest,
36:30
Speaker 1: but especially to you for being with us tonight as
36:33
Speaker 1: we search for the truth. Aside from all the noise
36:37
Speaker 1: and the threats, the falsities, the enhancements, the alterations, the
36:45
Speaker 1: truth is there and we will find it. Nancy Gray
36:52
Speaker 1: signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night.
36:53
Speaker 1: And until then, good night, friend,