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Women's suffrage battle: Grrls vs whammon? | HBR Talk 325 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to to Hannah's on the wrong page. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: HBr Talk three twenty five Women's Suffrage Battle Girls versus Women.
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  Speaker 1: To explain the title, a lot of zoomers might not know,
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  Speaker 1: back in the nineties, when a lot of Gen xers
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  Speaker 1: were in college or still in high school, there was
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  Speaker 1: this thing called Riot Girls. We're in the media that
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  Speaker 1: marketed to teenagers and young adult women, pretended that they
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  Speaker 1: had just invented radical feminism for the first time, and
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  Speaker 1: that they were the first women to complain so piteously
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  Speaker 1: about such profound issues as people not letting you have
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  Speaker 1: a band and other dumb shit that wasn't real complaints
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  Speaker 1: because there there were already plenty of female bands. But
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  Speaker 1: so that's that's where the girls come from. The Riot
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  Speaker 1: Girls had more ours than I put in the title,
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  Speaker 1: but I just didn't want a super long title.
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  Speaker 2: And it was like a black thing. I think. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's been culturally appropriated, maybe black girls, and now
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  Speaker 2: girl is considered something that that black people said to
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  Speaker 2: each other. But it's just an American thing. Yes, that's
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  Speaker 2: how you spell girl in American with all and none
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  Speaker 2: of the eyes.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember the advent of riot Girls. Was one
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  Speaker 1: of my first big clues that media periodicals, at least
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  Speaker 1: for women were crap because they were marketing bullshit ideas
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  Speaker 1: to us things that were obviously not true, and you, like,
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  Speaker 1: you could see around you that the thing that they
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  Speaker 1: were proposing were not true. And so I look at this.
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  Speaker 1: I look at the suffragists in Suffragettes versus the anti suffragettes,
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  Speaker 1: and I see three types of guynes centrists in these posts.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's why I put up this title, and
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  Speaker 1: what we're going to read tonight. I'm gonna sort of
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  Speaker 1: do a little recap just because we've been out for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks because of me, I had to
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  Speaker 1: be healthy as a horse again. So there you go,
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  Speaker 1: everybody that everybody that knows knows.
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  Speaker 2: I need to get me some of that horse medication.
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  Speaker 1: You're in the States, you can.
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  Speaker 2: I'm no longer in the States. I am. I am
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  Speaker 2: back in this hell hole in which I was born.
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  Speaker 1: Well, then you can't. But yeah, I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: if you were in the States, you could. But interestingly,
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  Speaker 1: it is Russell Brand that's uh marketing it. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a there's a kit you can get and it has
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  Speaker 1: it can make you healthy as a horse, and then
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  Speaker 1: it also can invite your friend Tammy over. So I
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  Speaker 1: mean it has a couple of different things that address
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  Speaker 1: a few different illnesses. I have never actually had to
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  Speaker 1: get intimate with my friend Tammy. I handle influenza quite
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  Speaker 1: quite well, actually, compared to respiratory illnesses, which kicked my
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  Speaker 1: ass up the street and then back down for some
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  Speaker 1: odd reason. Might have to do with the asthma. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I went. I went into overtime too much two
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago, and and I couldn't do a show. And
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  Speaker 1: it was because the illness that I ended up with
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  Speaker 1: the next week was running ramp and through the organization
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  Speaker 1: that I work with. And then after all my coworkers
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  Speaker 1: came back to work, I got sick. So it all
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  Speaker 1: worked out, we recovered. But anyway, as per usual, I
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  Speaker 1: am your host Hanewallen here with the personification of perceptivity
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  Speaker 1: Mike Stevenson and nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks, and tonight we're
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  Speaker 1: the page. So to sort of recap what we've been
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  Speaker 1: on the last couple weeks, like we've talked about how
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  Speaker 1: the anti Suffragette movement was actually bigger than the Suffragette
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  Speaker 1: movement for most of the time the suffragettes were doing
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  Speaker 1: their thing, and the reasons that they had given, among
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  Speaker 1: other things, were the fact that as nonpartisan citizens who
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  Speaker 1: were not involved with political parties directly and who were
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  Speaker 1: not voting based on political leanings and so on, women
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  Speaker 1: had the power to in pre suffrage atte society, women
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  Speaker 1: had the power to analyze basically how the laws benefited women,
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  Speaker 1: how the laws benefited families, whether or not they thought
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  Speaker 1: they were fair, and so on, and lobby not just
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  Speaker 1: at the government level, but at the community level and
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  Speaker 1: in the home for their perspective to be the common perspective.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna scroll up here a little bit because
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  Speaker 1: there was a thing I think I highlighted it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's still highlighted or not. In no so,
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  Speaker 1: we talked a little bit last week about Harriet Beecher
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  Speaker 1: Stowe's sister Catherine, who was an early anti Suffragette, who
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  Speaker 1: talked about she was very dedicated anti in fact, but
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  Speaker 1: she talked about that specific method she said her method
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  Speaker 1: was of changing society was first convincing intelligent and benevolent
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  Speaker 1: women that what I aimed at was right and desirable,
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  Speaker 1: and then securing their influence with their fathers, brothers, and husbands,
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  Speaker 1: and always with success. Her fifty years of campaigning convinced
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  Speaker 1: her that all reasonable men are not only willing but
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  Speaker 1: anxious to provide for the good of our sex. They
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  Speaker 1: will gladly bestow all that is just reasonable and kind
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  Speaker 1: whenever we unite in asking. And the importance of that
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  Speaker 1: is essentially that with these women's clubs, these various groups
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  Speaker 1: that women organized, in order to make this type of
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  Speaker 1: difference and affect this type of change, you had to
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  Speaker 1: be able to argue your case. You had to be
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  Speaker 1: able to be persuasive. You had to be able to
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  Speaker 1: get other women to see the value in what you
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  Speaker 1: were arguing for and not see it as in any
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  Speaker 1: way harmful to their families in their communities, because if
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  Speaker 1: they looked at it and what they saw was, well,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to create problem A, B and C,
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't You couldn't persuade them to talk to their
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  Speaker 1: husbands and say, hey, do this vote for this, pressure
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  Speaker 1: politicians for this, and what we see today is a
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  Speaker 1: minority of women who identify as feminists or who support
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  Speaker 1: feminist organizations, controlling the political narrative around women and what
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  Speaker 1: women want and what women think is best for their
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  Speaker 1: families and their communities. And that ends up promoting the
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  Speaker 1: brand of ism that people like to call it natural
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  Speaker 1: guynes centrism. Why not natural kindess centrism, but guyness centrism,
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  Speaker 1: where they refer to the brand of ism that is
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  Speaker 1: more family oriented, That is more I would call it
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  Speaker 1: child centrism because it's about preserving and protecting the family
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  Speaker 1: for the purpose of giving your children the best upbringing.
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  Speaker 1: That's not really guines centrism. Women's whole value within that
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  Speaker 1: is determined by their value to the child, where modern
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  Speaker 1: women are often viewed as having some sort of intrinsic
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  Speaker 1: value over in a above all other people that has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with children, and it's there's no reason
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  Speaker 1: for it, right, And that's what feminists have been able
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  Speaker 1: to do. And because they don't have to make rational arguments,
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  Speaker 1: they can be entirely emotional and they can unite with
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  Speaker 1: an establishment that has I guess control over your lifestyle
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  Speaker 1: choices such that your lifestyle choices will be economically beneficial
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  Speaker 1: to the establishment in mind, there.
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  Speaker 2: Was never any reason for women and children first being
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  Speaker 2: a thing, as though women and children I want them
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  Speaker 2: the same. You may say, well a child needs them mother,
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  Speaker 2: Well guess what else they need?
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  Speaker 1: Yep, child needs their father too. But yeah, they've been
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  Speaker 1: able to use that to promote establishment control, and they
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they would have been able to do
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  Speaker 1: that if they had not forced the vote on women.
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  Speaker 1: And Yeah, women and children first has never been necessary.
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  Speaker 1: You say children first, and whatever parent is the best
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  Speaker 1: at being able to provide everything the child needs goes along.
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  Speaker 1: In our situation, my family situation, if there had been
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  Speaker 1: something that happened where one parent was going to have
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  Speaker 1: to die to protect the rest of the family, it
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  Speaker 1: would have been me, because if my husband's ex wife
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  Speaker 1: had the situation of he's out of the picture now,
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  Speaker 1: our son would never have been able to see his
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  Speaker 1: sisters again until they had grown up, till all three
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  Speaker 1: of them had grown up, and she might have succeeded
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  Speaker 1: in alienating them from him. So they needed the kids
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  Speaker 1: needed my husband to be there in order for them
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  Speaker 1: to remain united as a family. And I actually had
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  Speaker 1: nightmares about that circumstance coming up and in the nightmares,
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  Speaker 1: faced that decision and came to that conclusion and then
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  Speaker 1: had that discussion with my husband. If anything ever happens,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be me like. He didn't like
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  Speaker 1: that very much, but it was one of those things
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  Speaker 1: you have to you have to know ahead of time.
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  Speaker 1: You know something comes up, you know obviously if the
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  Speaker 1: circumstances allow a choice, because sometimes they don't.
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  Speaker 2: But if we're going to be as ergonomic fact, if
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  Speaker 2: we're going to be as ergonomic as possible, then you
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  Speaker 2: can't put a child in the lifeboat without one or
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  Speaker 2: more of its parents because they'll just get sent to
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  Speaker 2: an orphanage and get abused and bugger for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of their lives. And that's that. That won't do anyone.
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  Speaker 2: And women and children shouldn't be an entity, and men
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  Speaker 2: and children shouldn't be an entity. It's not The phrase
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  Speaker 2: men and children is not in anyone's vocabulary. It would
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  Speaker 2: be nice if it was to counterbalance the women and
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  Speaker 2: children thing, but that's not necessarily the ideal. I what
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  Speaker 2: about a world where it's it's men and women first,
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  Speaker 2: Because if the child dies, then then the man and
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  Speaker 2: women could just produce another child, if it's just the
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  Speaker 2: child that survives is gonna just fucking die on the
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  Speaker 2: high seas because of hypothermiasm.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joking, it is. It is something that people have said, though,
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  Speaker 1: like and they've said it in seriousness as a reason
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  Speaker 1: to excuse male disposability and child disposability, which is more
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  Speaker 1: of a thing than female disposability. But the fact is
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  Speaker 1: there there are women like me. I was lucky to
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  Speaker 1: produce one. I really was. There's there are things I
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  Speaker 1: could tell you about my reproductive history, like I've never
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  Speaker 1: had an abortion or anything like that, but I've had
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  Speaker 1: issues my whole life. I was really lucky to be
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  Speaker 1: able to produce one, and I was also lucky to
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  Speaker 1: survive producing one. And feminists like to say that pregnancy
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  Speaker 1: is dangerous like that all the time, but it's not.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have weird health conditions for it to
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  Speaker 1: be that dangerous, and most of the time when it's
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  Speaker 1: that dangerous, it's because the woman is overweight or does
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  Speaker 1: not eat a proper diet when she's pregnant. But in
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  Speaker 1: my case, it's genetic. And so yeah, there's the are
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  Speaker 1: circumstances where that's not a possibility. But people don't think
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  Speaker 1: about that when they say that, And like I said,
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  Speaker 1: it's it might be a joke when Mike says it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's serious when people who promote the idea
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  Speaker 1: of natural gynocentrism say it, and it's it's really not
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  Speaker 1: a valid argument. But in any case, they were under
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  Speaker 1: the weeds already. The point that I wanted to make
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  Speaker 1: with the recap is that we were we had gone
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  Speaker 1: through that discussion of how women women have always been
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  Speaker 1: able to use a type of collective bargaining with the
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  Speaker 1: community as a means of influencing the community, and when
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  Speaker 1: women were not involved in party politics, their their collective
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  Speaker 1: bargaining was more rational, at least in terms of what
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  Speaker 1: actually benefits women and families. And they were still guyinocentric,
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  Speaker 1: but they were gynocentric in in ways that were closer
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  Speaker 1: to that that child centric or pro natalist attitude as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to women first because women, So we I think
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  Speaker 1: stopped probably around I knew. I remember we looked at
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  Speaker 1: this picture, So I think we stopped probably around one
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  Speaker 1: of these two paragraphs, and I'm pretty sure it was
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  Speaker 1: right after the description of Fig. Seven. So in the
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  Speaker 1: era of Tammany Hall men's political activity involved deal making,
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  Speaker 1: you know, patge, patronage, uh, personal attacks, bribery and corruption.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, at the time that this was happening, I
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  Speaker 1: think that ballots were still not secret. I think they
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  Speaker 1: were still voting publicly by holding up colored pieces of
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  Speaker 1: paper and stuff like that. So there was it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just you you have an opinion and then you vote
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  Speaker 1: to support that opinion. It was you have an opinion,
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  Speaker 1: and you vote publicly to let the public know that
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  Speaker 1: you just used your vote to promote the candidate that's
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  Speaker 1: going to make that opinion a reality. And if other
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  Speaker 1: people disagree with you, they know you did that. So
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  Speaker 1: there you go. So when women asked for that, they
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  Speaker 1: were asking for their men to step up in public
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  Speaker 1: and vote in public for what they wanted. Then lawmakers
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. People paid attention to what their lawmakers
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  Speaker 1: were doing. Like right now, there are Congress votes on
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  Speaker 1: stuff every day, and I'll bet most people, without looking online,
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  Speaker 1: couldn't tell me one single thing that Congress voted on recently.
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  Speaker 1: Most Americans couldn't tell me one single thing that Congress
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  Speaker 1: voted on recently.
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  Speaker 2: So surely that's happened a bunch of times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, they're they're voting all kinds of shit
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  Speaker 1: with regard to Ukraine. And actually, if it's all confirmed,
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  Speaker 1: if the information is coming out is all confirmed, we
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: might preempt next week's show for a discussion about what
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  Speaker 1: the second Trump shooter was doing. Because the more I
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  Speaker 1: think about it, the more I realized that's a men's issue.
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  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily an American men's issue, because he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: doing it in America, but it is definitely a men's issue,
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  Speaker 1: and it does involve the American establishment, or at least
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  Speaker 1: it looks like it does. I want to see more
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  Speaker 1: information and evidence come out before I say anything else
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  Speaker 1: about that.
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  Speaker 2: Reminder, we call it the second Trump shooter, but the's
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  Speaker 2: two plus acts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the second known Trump shooter. But yeah, so, club
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  Speaker 1: women and other women activists, as the anties pointed out,
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  Speaker 1: were in a separate class. Because these respectable white women
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  Speaker 1: we did read this before, were working for the good
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  Speaker 1: of the community. Their motives were never questioned. It was
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  Speaker 1: widely accepted that respectable married women occupied the moral high ground. Well,
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  Speaker 1: politicians occupied the moral low ground. And I will remind
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  Speaker 1: you that politicians were supposed to be respectable white men,
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  Speaker 1: so they were still even back then, like this idea
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  Speaker 1: that being old white males put men in a position
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  Speaker 1: of greater power. That kills it right there. If married
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  Speaker 1: women occupied a higher moral ground than politicians did, that
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  Speaker 1: gave women more power than politicians. And of course the uh,
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  Speaker 1: the racism of the day comes out in this as well,
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  Speaker 1: because both sides kind of ignored the issues faced by
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  Speaker 1: black women. And it goes on although lobbying by well,
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say both sides, because there was Harriet Beecher
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  Speaker 1: Stow in her book, so there had to be some
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  Speaker 1: sentiment there among the anti suffragettes as well. While the
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  Speaker 1: Suffragettes were quite busy throwing black women under the bus,
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  Speaker 1: at least the white suffragettes were. Although although lobbying by
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  Speaker 1: one million, seven hundred thousand organized clubs women resulted in
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  Speaker 1: the passage of many new laws, there is a widespread
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  Speaker 1: misconception that women were powerless to influence lawmakers before they
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  Speaker 1: could vote. Anti suffrage women never accepted this view, and
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  Speaker 1: as proof they repeatedly argued that laws favoring women, such
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  Speaker 1: as those prohibiting night work and long hours for women,
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  Speaker 1: at fact, women factory workers were better in non suffrage
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  Speaker 1: states than in suffrage states, So they can't even argue
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  Speaker 1: that without suffrage, without voting rights, kinocentrism was was compromised. Right.
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  Speaker 1: There were the laws they're talking about only applied to women.
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  Speaker 1: Laws to protect not laws to protect workers, right, Not
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  Speaker 1: laws prohibiting night work for workers, not laws prohibiting long
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  Speaker 1: hours for workers. Just women, just women who worked.
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  Speaker 3: I think the craziest thing is that if you ask
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  Speaker 3: the average feminists today, like when they think women couldn't work,
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  Speaker 3: I bet you they would say something around this this
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  Speaker 3: this era probably like you know later, they have no
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  Speaker 3: clue that women were actually working during these times. They
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  Speaker 3: could have jobs before they could vote.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's they don't understand the timeline, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's only based on the assumption that
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  Speaker 2: work means working for someone else. History, work meant working
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  Speaker 2: for your family. That's what That's what most people did,
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  Speaker 2: not just women, but men. Yeah. You know, back in
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  Speaker 2: ancient times, the idea of going to some office and
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  Speaker 2: working for some for some fat bastard, for for for
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  Speaker 2: minimum weight or some ship. It was never a thing
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  Speaker 2: forever like working. Just men literally working, and yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: then that that remained the case right up until the
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  Speaker 2: twenty es century when when the government figured they could
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  Speaker 2: also make women waste. You all, you all know the deal.
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  Speaker 1: I I can't hear fat Bastard without especially in an
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  Speaker 1: English accent, without thinking as the character.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was a Scottish guy, I know.
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  Speaker 1: But you still still heard the name with the English
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  Speaker 1: accent said with an English accent multiple times in the film.
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  Speaker 1: And it's horrible. Uh but but yeah, women women worked
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  Speaker 1: in factories for for the whole time that factories existed,
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  Speaker 1: and prior to the existence of factories, coal was used
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  Speaker 1: for heating homes. There were women coal miners. But a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that. I think we might
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: even have done an episode about women coal miners. If
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: we haven't, I might have to. I know I did.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: If I didn't do an episode, I didn't after show
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: about it. But I have talked to a lot of
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: feminists that think that before women, before World War two,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: women couldn't work. Before Rosie the Riveter, women couldn't work,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And it's bullshit. Women always worked. Women didn't. Women were
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: not exempt from conditions of poverty and conditions of need.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And their labor being part of their family economy. Ever,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe wealthy women, upper class women, their work
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: was not as hard or as necessary. But women who
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: were in the majority, they had to work. And I
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: had two great aunts who worked and textile mills when
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: they were young. That was like one of the most
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: dangerous places to work. And laundries were another one. Like,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you had these machines once the industrial age came along.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: You had these machines that, if not handled properly, could
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: cause severe injury and even death in the process of
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: pressing people's clothes using heat and steam. And uh, there's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a great uh, there's a great Stephen King's story about
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: one of those called the Mangler. Really really uh not
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a good not a good thing to read if you
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: know your family members worked with that stuff. But but yeah,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I know, I know Stephen King, so yeah, I can
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: only imagine how horrible it was. Yeh, it's a short story,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: but it's a it's a great story. I mean, you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I don't like, huh did.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: It involve any child? Right?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, no, no.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: He must be one of his better stories.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he had a couple of stories that did.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Actually, uh, one of them that involved involved child right
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: by another child.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know the guy was on a great
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: deal of coke, but there's no amount of coke there's any.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: He's a horror writer.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: How do I even if you're a horror right, that's
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: that's beyond horror.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It is, but it's something that people, I don't know
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: people recognize that as horror. And there's there there's monsters
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: in the world, and then there's monsters.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: How do you be able to write? How do you
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: bring yourself to a typewriter? How do your hands do that?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: And at no point you go maybe maybe what I'm doing,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe what I'm doing is wrong.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: It's it's a tough thing. But if you look at it,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and I, like I said, I don't like his politics,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: but if you look at what he actually wrote, probably
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the only thing that normalized any type of sexuality among
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: children was the one in the scene in it where
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: all the kids had this ridiculous no reason orgy. Never
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: understood why that was in the book. But the rest
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: of what I've read from his stuff, and I've actually
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: read a lot of Stephen King up until probably when
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I moved to Dayton and stopped having time to sit
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and just read fiction. But it's presented as horror. It's
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: presented as this should never happen type of stuff where
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the situation is horrifying for the person experiencing it. And
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: in it this scene where the child rapes the other
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: child and immediately afterward he gets killed by something that
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: is similar to like if you play D and D,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: similar to a sturge. It's like a giant mosquito thing
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that he gets attacked by a whole bunch of them.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: And so it's one of those I kind of think
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that he put that in there so that it wouldn't
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: be you're supposed to not sympathize with that character. Well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: he made how do you make a child into a monster?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: You make him a murderer, or you make him do
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: some other horrific, horrible thing. And I think that's probably
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: what he was trying to do. But I mean, Stephen
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: King's not the only author that did that. If you
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: think that Stephen King is bad, you should read some
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: peers Anthony Firefly. Somebody recommended me that book because they
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: thought I would like it. There are things that book
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that I will say absolutely had difficulty digesting. And I
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: don't think that book should actually exist. There aren't very
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: many books I would say that about. I haven't even
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: said that about it. I think I think that scene
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in it was unnecessary, but the rest of the book
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was kind of an interesting treatise on good versus evil.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Whenever you watch a film that's based on a book,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: which most films are, yeah, well, a load of the
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: nerds go, oh, it's not like it is in the book. Good.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I'm glad it's not like it isn't the book. Books
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: are the most degenerate form of entertainment that has ever existed,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: And it goes right back to the ancient books on
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: which a bunch of religions are based on. A lot
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: of them. Have, you know, stories of adults raping other
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: adults and adults raping children. But even they don't have
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: stories of children raping children. I mean, even the Koran's
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: as bad as even whatever you're talking about.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: But as far as books being degenerated, it does kind
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: of depend on the book. You can say. There's there's
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of modern writers that you can absolutely say
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that about, maybe some older writers, but I I will
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: defend Tolkien. No, you can't say that about him very
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: descriptive but not and and some people might find him
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: overly descriptive, but everything all that description played out beautifully
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in the movies, And the only thing that I would
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: say about that is it there there are aspects of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the book that you couldn't have put into movies for
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: a modern audience, Like Tom Bombadil, everybody would have been
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: sitting in the the theater going geek. But it was
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: great And it doesn't have to be exactly the same
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: because you're looking at it from a visual media perspective
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: as opposed to a print media perspective. There's a lot
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of they say a picture paints a thousand words, but
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: a picture may only paint a thousand words when the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: story was ten thousand words long, and not all of
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: them are necessary if you're looking at the picture. A
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: lot of them are things that are implied even if
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: they're not painted by the picture. So that said, back
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: to the mangler and women working this issue. Like I said,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: it's something that I've discussed with feminists on irregular because
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: of the wage gap myth and the divorce rape discussion
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: where men are taken for everything they have because women
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: play victim of their own choices. Oh yes, I cheated
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: on him, and I'm leaving him and I'm taking the children.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: But I just can't handle myself financially. And it's his
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: fault because he didn't make me pay my half of
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the living expenses, so I didn't have to have a job,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and now I don't know how to have one. So
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you know, he's got to pay me for the rest
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of his life. Bullshit. Women have worked throughout history. There's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: not been a time when women were not able to work.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: There's not been a time when women were not allowed
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to work. And there's no excuse for women today to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: not know how to work. So there you go. From
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: nineteen oh eight to nineteen ten, fifty four laws to
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: protect just women workers, not workers, but just women workers
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: were enacted in non suffrage states, versus only one law
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: in suffrage states. According to many Bronson missus Arthur M.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Dodge made similar points many times in the Women's Protest
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: against women's suffrage. She argued that women could get the
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: best results from lawmakers by working with them for the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: common good, not by dividing among party lines, even without voting.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: So women back in the day before the Suffragettes were
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: quite aware of the uniparty. That's my that's that's my
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: supposition here.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's like what I what I said in
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a video a long time, a long time ago. If
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it wasn't for feminism, then we might have never discovered centrism,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: because feminism was what took centrism too far, is what
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: politicized it, and and and and made it so gloated
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: and unforgivable that even the sins started noticing. One hundred
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: years into this thousand years of darkness and people are
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: starting to notice. If if it wasn't for these excesses,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: then it would have kept on going. But I suppose
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: it would have kept on going until the inevitable point
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: that it went too far. And I guess if you
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: might say, feminism is as inevitable as kind of centrism was,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and it's it's it's sort of proportional with them, with
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: how decutent, decadent, and lazy a society becomes, that the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: first people to experience the double edged sword of this
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: decadence will be it will be women. Because well, here
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: here is where I encounter the the controversial idea of
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: how natural some kind of kind of centrism is, and
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: if I'm calling it guin of centrism, then in many
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: interpretations it's not natural. But in so far as women
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: are the evolutionary bottleneck, it's And it sounds to reason
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a species in which women's protection is prioritize over men's
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: is destined to have better odds of survival than a
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: species that doesn't do that, at least in the mammalian
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: genus or whatever we call it. But to that extent,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: there is such a thing as biological I don't even
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: want to say gay of centrism because a lot of
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: you will get pissed off with me if I say that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But well, you know what I mean.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: You could say that natal results in a sort of
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: pseudo gyn of centrism, where in circumstances where it benefits
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the child to prioritize women's safety, or where it benefits
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: reproduction to prioritize women's safety, then it gets done. But
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: it still would be natalism, if that makes sense. Yes,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: so we didn't one. Let's see here, Even without voting,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: club women around nineteen hundred actively supported political candidates, lobbied
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: for better laws, circulated petitions, and conducted educational campaigns. On
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: dozens of issues, but without connections to any political party.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So basically, they would if they liked what the Democrat
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: was saying, they would promote the Democrat. If they liked
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: what the Republican was saying, they would promote the Republican.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: And the thing that people don't realize is there have
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: been progressives and individualists, because progressives are social and economic
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: collectivists and individualists are not. But there have been progressives
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: and individualists in both parties for well since before the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: twentieth century. And so they if women were lobbying, they
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: were probably lobbying to progressives for most of the pro
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: woman things, and they wouldn't have been lobbying so much
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: to individualists or libertarian type people simply because we're talking
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and greater restriction here on relationships between the individual and
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the employer, relationships between the individual and the bank, family relationships,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: community relationships, and things like that. So, but people understood
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the distinction between women having influence over lawmakers as club
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: women did and entering the male world of partisan politics
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: as suffragists advocated. It is an important point and not
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: one of the fifteen college textbooks makes this distinction. So basically,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that's been erased from history, the fact that women had
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: all that power and influence, and the fact that they
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: had to be at least slightly more rational in their
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: exercise of it. They had to at least convince the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: people that they were trying to persuade, that being not
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: just the politicians, but the community, which is important, that
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: what they were asking for was beneficial to not just
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a few women, but families in general, and the community,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the greater community, that it would result in something good
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: without a bunch of drawbacks. Right, And today you don't
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: have that situation. When feminists wants something, they don't have
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: to can convince the public. They only have to convince legislators.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: They only have to convince legislators that women are going
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to vote for this right, And they don't have to
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: convince men at all. They only have to convince enough
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: women to vote as a big voting block that it
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: won't matter if men are not convinced, and they've been
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: able to do that consistently for decades. Suffragists regularly ridiculed
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: club women so called backdoor method of influencing lawmakers by
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: requesting changes rather than by voting. But Massachusetts anti Alice
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: George disagreed that women's nonpartisan methods were either ineffective or indirect.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: It is the men who, because they belong to this
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: or that party, must placate some men or on the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: other side. Not We we go straight to the governor,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to the chairman of the committee, to the mayor, whoever
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: is in highest authority. We have no favors to give
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and none to ask. If there is anything indirect about this,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: it is beyond my powers of perception. Because this method
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: of influencing lawmakers is frequently overlooked. There's a misconception that
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: anties wanted women to be powerless, and here we have.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: This is where we bring up the horrible specter of
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: democracy and why it's not necessarily the best way to
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: do these because democracy gives people the illusion of power,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the illusion of control. Like none of this was an
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: issue before there was such a thing as a government.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: There was only once people were well. Obviously men the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: most landowners, and there were all other reasons that most
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: of them. The idea that that anyone other than the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: king could could influence the way that society was run
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: only only only put it in motion that the powers
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: that be could simply blame the peasants for everything that
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: went wrong. And this, this is this is what's being
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: discussed in this article. The idea that well, if if
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: if men can vote, and if there's one more man
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: who can vote, then there then there are women who
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: can vote. Then that means there is that men have
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: tangibly more power than women do, completely ignoring what the
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: what the suffragists, not suffragettes, suffragists, We're talking about this
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: this this less tangible power. Maybe tangible is the wrong
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: because voting isn't tangible either, But this idea that voting
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: gives anyone power is what set the stage for feminism
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: in the first place. Voting doesn't give people power, it
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: just it just gives power to this, to this middle
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: man that is that is that that is the government,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and the idea that the government gives more power to
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the peasants than the absolute monarchy ever did, which is
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: very difficult to get this through to people, especially people
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: who've lived in republics and whose ancestors have lived in
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: republics for the last couple of couple of centuries or so.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: It's very difficult to break people out of this because
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: there's been no this thing as an absolute monarchy in
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: almost any country in the world the centuries, with the
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: possible excession of Saudi Arabia, and I'm certainly not going
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: to advocate for their system of.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Well, you could eliminate democratic government and democracy would still exist.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't exist in terms of voting and voting systems.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: What would exist in terms of when a group of people,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: like a community or even just a big family has
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: to take action as a group, they're gonna end up
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: discussing and debating it and then deciding on a unified
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: course of action, or they're gonna split up. And those
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: are those are basically the two options. And in order
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: for families to maintain unity, a lot of times that
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: type of democracy results in uh a great deal of
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: you know, compromised by the younger set or the set
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that the people within the family or the community that
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: are viewed as less credible or less trustworthy, and uh
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: more pressure on people that are viewed as more credible
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and more trustworth because they've earned it to maintain that
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: credibility and that trustworthiness. So there's a there's democracy with
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: some accountability to it. If there's there's no democratic government system,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: if there's no people at the top that can just
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: impose through some sort of authority. This is the ultimate
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: uh reading of this democratic decision. All Right, you guys
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: all voted for people who said they wanted to make
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a law that would stop discrimination at universities. Okay, we're
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: going to create a law and then we're going to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: spend the next fifty years interpreting it in the worst
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: possible ways for the opposite sex. But but you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: that's that's just me going off about the unnecessary nature
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of government again, Like, I don't think you can sell
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that by having a person that's better than everybody else
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: putting them in charge and giving them military power and
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: power over currency. I think you could. You'd have to
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: solve it by making everyone equally accountable and you know,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: or at least as accountable as the level of persuasive
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: power they have in society, where there's a balance between
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: their persuasive power and their accountability.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's all very true. But at the
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: same time, the very idea that men have power because
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: men have the vote is I know this is held
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: in high regard, especially by those who keep talking about
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: our democracy and threats to our democracy. The very concept
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: is flawed because it's presented with the idea that such
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: a system cannot be corrupt, even though a great deal
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: of women did have the vote. It's it's still suggested
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: to us that because more men had the vote, men
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: had more political influence, and and and and that's it's
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's a fallacy in so many ways. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I guess it took a couple of centuries for it
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: to really for it, for it to come to fruition,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: in in in the conscience of the general public, that
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: the vote does not necessarily mean power of any of
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: any real significance, especially not compared with with with the
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: power of influence that that has long since existed uh
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: before the vote. Uh. Because civilization, for the longest time
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: has been held together by but by the families that
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: make it up. Society was made entirely of families for
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: most of human existence, and they and they and they
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: conducted what happened in society. And families have never been patriarchal, never,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: not not even in in in in Greeks or Romans,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: or any of the horror stories that the certain feminist
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: historians would tell us. Now. When society is run by families.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: It very much is a gender egalitarian thing because because
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: because men love women, and especially the women who they
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: fall in love with them, choose to have families with
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: and and for the longest time, women were in love
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: with men in a similar way, maybe more out of
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: necessity than anything else. It just goes to show you
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: that things have changed when those necessities change, or maybe
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: those necessities only changed because of government influence and and
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: and that the government influence in question has always leaned
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: into human nature or indeed animal nature, that that there
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: is this little thread where for better or worse, men
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: lean towards to watch towards simplitude. But it's I say,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: for better or worse, it's for worse that men lean
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: towards simplitude. But this is, this is something that needs
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: to be curtailed by by public sentiment. And and the
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: existence of the government has never curtailed this u this sentiment.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: It is only it is only preyed on on on
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: men's simplitude for want of a better word, Shall I
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: bring up romantic chivalry at any point, because that's clearly
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, that is that is a good point. And
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: you know, with with romantic chivalry comes the need to
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: mention women's safety net addiction, and like, that's a big
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: part of the problem. If women were exactly the same
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: psychological makeup as men in terms of risk taking and
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: for for a reward and recognizing the value of independence
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: over collectivism and so on, then you wouldn't have such
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: of a big, such a big deal with regard to
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the safety net addiction, because that women wouldn't have that.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Women wouldn't have the safety net addiction. Women would have
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: more more more interest in maintaining their family's capability to
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: be their own safety net, to take care of themselves,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: protect and provide for themselves, and they wouldn't want to
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: give up their families security as a unit and their
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: famili's freedom to act in their own interests right and
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: in order to get some sort of government protection and
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: safety net benefits. But unfortunately, men and women do not
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: have the same psychological makeup. Men and women are very
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: different psychologically, and women do have this tendency to not
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: want to engage in risk taking, and it's exacerbated by
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the way girls are brought up, where he's sort of
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: girls are sort of taught that it's unlady like to
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: engage in any kind of risk taking like I When
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I was a kid, I experienced this because we had
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: a monkey bars at the park Jungle gym, and it
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: had it was a big square shaped unit that had
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a big empty space in the middle, and on one
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: side you had a chin up bar that was maybe
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: like four feet off the ground and on the other
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: side of it about maybe ten or fifteen feet away.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: It's not huge or anything. There was a handoverhand bar.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: It's like one of those you know, it looks like
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: somebody laid a ladder out, you know, horizontally on top
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: so that you know, you take where the rungs are
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and you you go across it by swinging your arms,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: you know, forward and then swinging your body to catch
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the next rung. And of course the sidebars are slightly larger.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: And when I was a little kid, there was a
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: boy who was a little older than me that used
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to just beat everybody at monkey bar tag. We used
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: to play monkey bar tag all the time. The rule
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: was if you were it, you could go on the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: bars or you could be on the ground, but if
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: you were not it, you had to stay on the bars.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: If you touch the ground, you were it. And if
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you got tag, you were it. And this one boy
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: never got to be it.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: That sounds like so much fun.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: It was the best game. I loved it, but this
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: one boy never never was it. And part of the
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: reason was he would get up on that chin up bar,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: that four foot high chin up bar, and he would
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: wait until somebody was coming after him, and then he
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: would jump over them and grab the handover hand, the
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: sidebars on the handover hand, and slide himself up in
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: between the rungs and get on top. And now he's
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: ten feet up and none of the kids can reach him,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: and they have to climb up there to get at
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: him if they want to tag him. And I decided
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I was going to learn how to do that, which
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: entailed a lot of falling down until I finally jumped
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: hard enough and far enough to reach those bars. And
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: you know, you can fall down a lot like that.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: From a height of four feet, that's not that bad.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Even from a height of ten feet, it's not really
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: that bad as long as you know how to roll
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: when you fall. And of course, since I played football
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: with the boys, I knew how to roll when I fell.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Kids have soft bones anyway, they can handle it. I'm
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: not saying you should throw children.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I had the benefit of incredibly flexible joints too, so
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: when I fell, I didn't dislocate anything permanently or you know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I was a lot more flexible. I could put both
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: feet behind my head, over my shoulders behind my head
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and do a handstand and walk around with my butt
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: in the air and make the other kids laugh.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I was a dork, but you know, I did that
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: kind of risk taking and stuff. And I would run
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: back and forth on top of the hand over hand
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and run back and forth on top of the swing set,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and I had no fear that I was going to fall.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: My balance was great. It's not now. It really sucks now,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: but at the time it was great. And there were
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: women in the neighborhood that kind of complained to my
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: mom that I was a bad example to the other girls.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: My Mom's like, why why is she a bad example
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: to the other girls? Are you complaining that, you know,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: make us a bad example to the other girls. He's
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: doing it, well, he's not one of the other girls.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Boys do stuff like that. You know. It was never
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: the men. It was always other women. Oh don't. I
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: don't want my daughter to see her doing that. Okay, well,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: then tell your daughters stay away from the park, you know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: keep her at home if you're going to shelter her
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: like that, or tell her that if she can't balance
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: like Hannah, she shouldn't try to do what Hannah does.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: She should do what she does well instead. You know,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: that's that's just the way things are. But but yeah,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: women or girls are often raised where that, you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: that kind of risk taking, that kind of like, hey,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: this is a lot of fun. I'm gonna try to
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: do it harder and bigger, farther, riskier, doing things like
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: riding the couch cushions down the stairway and out the door,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: which we also got in trouble for. We didn't get hurt,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: you know, but that that kind of stuff. Girls are
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: discouraged from doing stuff like that by women. Men don't
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: factor into that. Boys don't factor into that. It's all
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: women policing girls. And what happens is then they grow
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: up and they're afraid. Right. I was raised to understand
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: if I had a job and I felt trapped in it,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: it was terrible and I couldn't stand it. You were
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: looking for a job when you found that one, So
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: just find another job, find something that suits you, that
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: that you can contribute to and feel like you're actually
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: accomplishing something for yourself and for your employer. And you know,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: so there were a lot of times where I took
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the risk of asking for a raise, where you know,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of women would be afraid to lose their
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: job because they asked for a raise. And you know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: I took the risk of fighting back against policy that
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I thought was ridiculous or that was bad for the
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: employee or bad for the company, or just a waste.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And I've done that at pretty much every job I've
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: been at. I've been the squeaky wheel, you know, where
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: if something dumb, things like I had a company that
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: had us fill out paperwork that measured a a an
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: aspect of saying right. You filled out the paperwork and
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: then you stuck it in a tote, in a folder
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: in a tote, and then a person from the company
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: would come in and make sure that there were so
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: many weeks worth of papers in that tote they didn't
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: read them, and then those papers got thrown away and
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: there was no evaluating patterns. There was no, here's what
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: you do if it gets the number is too big
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: or too small. There was there was nothing to do
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: with those numbers. They were just calculated and then thrown away,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: And so I made it. I made an email to
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: the company about it, and my boss found out and
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: she was like, Oh, that's going to get you in trouble.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: They're not going to like that. You complained about that,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: but she didn't know what I wrote in the email.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I calculated the number of minutes a day and how
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: many minutes that added up to a week, and how
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: how many minutes a week that added up to for
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: the whole company, fifteen hundred stores, and said, you're paying
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: this much money if you just pay minimum wage to
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: every single employee that does this, which I know you don't,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: you pay more for some. You're paying at least this
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: much every week for a task that accomplishes nothing for
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: the company, wastes time the employee could be using doing
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: tasks that do attack accomplish something for the company, and
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: is actually causing conflict between employees and their bosses because
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: of how the math is done, and that ended up
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: getting the policy revoked. They eliminated that paperwork because of
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: that because it was expensive when you add up fifteen
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: hundred stores, this many minutes a day, this many minutes
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: a week, and you're paying this much per hour. And
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: she was shocked. She was like, you didn't get in trouble.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: They eliminated the policy, and I was like, yeah, because
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I talked about what it cost them to maintain it
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: and the fact that there was no benefit from it.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't complain about it because it wasn't fun because
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: for me it wasn't a problem. I like doing the math.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you just have to be able to be
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: that person. But women are taught to keep their heads
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: down and not do that.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Incidentally, it's not just mothers who have this disparity in
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: the way they physically treat their children, or playing with
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: their children or allow the children to play. There's this
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: clip you may have seen on Twitter that's been posted
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: by many people of this father playing with his daughter
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and his son. They both look five years old ish.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: He's playing with them and the bean bag, throwing them
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: onto this bean bag, and when he picks up his daughter,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: he carefully picks her up with both hands still back
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: down and gently places her on the bean bag, and
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: then he picks up his son, pulls him around his
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: head like a wwf. It slams him down on the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: bean bag like like like one off to the other girls.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Bones are not that much thinner than boys.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: But age, yeah, practice practically, just practically.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I was like ten or twelve years old before it
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: became painful to play football with the boys. You almost
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: you have to get close to puberty before it changes. Dads,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: teach your daughters how to throw a ball. Teach them
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: how to hit a ball with a bat. Teach them
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: how to throw a punch. Teach them how to take
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: a push and a punch. You know, even if you're
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: not hitting them to do it, throwing them into a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: bean bag is a good good way to do it.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Teach them how to take a little bit of physical shock,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: because if you don't, they're going to grow up to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: be whimps. Mm hmm. Just not acceptable, you know, it's
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: dangerous actually, Like if you're on the street in a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: place where you shouldn't be, and you know, or somebody
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: who uh is intent on committing a crime is in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: a place where they're more likely to get caught, and
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: you get mugged, you're better able to defend yourself. If
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: you learn that stuff when you're a kid, then than
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: if you're coddled all the time. You know, here, don't
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: don't be more reticent and gentle when your kid, when
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: your daughter wants to play airplane, than when your son
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: wants to play airplane. Right, make sure your kids learn
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: how to swim, even if they don't like it, you know.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Make sure they learn how to run, even if they
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: don't like it. Just like I say, make sure they
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: learn how to do their own law and cook their
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: own food and clean their own house even if they
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: don't like it, because they might grow up to live alone.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Don't wait until they're eighteen to kick him out of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: the house played by the Raised by Wolves scenario. Kick
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: him out in the house every day until there eighteen.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: If your kids don't know what color the sun is,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: you're not a good parent. But that's that's terrible, because
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: there's debate over whether the sun is yellow or white.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: It looks yellow because the sun is blue.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in any case.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: The sky is blue.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, this sky is blue. Son's not blue yet?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Woman suffrags debate the image, says New New Carlisle, Chattanaqua, Thursday,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: August twenty two, nineteen twelve. And this was Margaret Fully
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: and Minnie Bronson. An organized anti suffrage movement was primarily
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: a woman's movement, and Minny Bronson was a dedicated campaigner
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: for the National Association opposed to women's suffrage. She argued
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: that the vote would not raise women's wages as suffragists claimed,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: and that laws favoring women were actually better in non
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: suffrage states than in states where women voted. Bronson and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: other antis proposed that women should vote on whether they
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: wanted suffrage, just as paradoxically, suffragists and suffragettes repeatedly opposed
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: women voting on whether they wanted the vote. Fifteen of
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: fifteen college textbooks overlook the proposed referendums for women only
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: debate Handbill, Ohio, nineteen twelve. So this was from my state,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: courtesy of authentichistory dot com. This is something that I'm
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: gonna wint out too, all right. The Equal Pay Act,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I believe, nineteen sixty three. Feminists like to take credit
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: for that, but feminism actually gets zero credit for that.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: The Equal Pay Act was fought for by unions that
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: were trying to get equal pay for racial minorities. They
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: didn't want employers to be able to throw over white
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: workers for cheaper labor from minority workers, and so they
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: wanted this is basically collective bargaining. If there's going to
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: be a minimum wage, it has to be the same
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: minimum for all adult males, right, And the idea of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: including women in that saying that the discrimination could not
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: take place on the basis of sex. That was thrown
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: in as an attempt to sabotage the bill and the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: people that were voting for it, And it was a
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: popular bill. It was a popular issue, and it was
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: one in which people were fairly like. There was contention,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: but people were unified enough that it was going to succeed.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't that feminists persuaded Congress to give women
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: equal pay. It was that throwing equal pay for women
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: into that bill was not enough to convince enough people
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: to vote against it to keep it from succeeding. That's all.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: So when feminists take credit for that, it's bullshit. They're lying,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: they don't know what they're talking about, or they're upright lying.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: They're just absolutely in your base, you know, saying something
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: that they know is bullshit. So, yeah, the vote didn't
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: raise women's wages as suffragettes claimed. And when voting rights
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: finally did get to the point where they had started
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: raising people's wages, do you know what the result was? Anybody? Inflation?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: The result you're under arrest, yep.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: The result was since businesses that sold products had to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: pay people more to make those products, Since businesses that
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: that warehouse products had to pay people more to move
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: those products, businesses that uh sold them at the retail
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: end had to pay people more to work on the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: sales floor. The products became more expensive like that. That's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: how that works. And every single time, every single time
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: the minimum wage goes up, then so does the price
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: of every product. So does your rent, So does the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: cost of services, especially services that include the use of
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: products like getting your car fixed, getting your plumbing fixed,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: getting your house cleaned, you know, anything like that. So
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: everything becomes more expensive. Everybody raises their price. As soon
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: as the minimum wage goes up, buying power doesn't increase.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it goes down. Not very beneficial. So getting the
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: vote did not benefit women economically. So, because this method
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: of influencing lawmakers is frequently overlook there's a misconception that
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Antis wanted women to be powerless, it says James L. J.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Lawrence's Book of Readings devotes a chapter to the cult
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: of domesticity, saying that antis wanted women's influence limited to
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: their homes. You think about that, like all of the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: information out there about Antie's talking about being able to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: influence politicians on both sides of the political fence, because
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: they weren't allied to one side or the other, being
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: able to influence their communities, being able to influence not
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: just their families, but the families of other women, the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: families around them, the women around them, the men around them.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Why on earth would anybody say that that women that
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: they wanted women's influence to be limited to their own homes.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Knowing this information, the only conclusions I have is that
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: either this writer that said that was stupid, a bad researcher,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: or dishonest. Like there's no honest and intelligent way for
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: that to have happened. Although the Anties did emphasize the
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: importance of good mothering and raising the next generation to
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: be moral citizens, Anti leaders were strongly in favor of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: women influencing both lawmakers and society. They were intent on
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: moving the Overton window. In other words, they simply preferred
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: using nonpartisan methods and were reluctant to give up a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: known form of influence for an unknown one. As Ida
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Tarbell saw the issue in nineteen ten, it wasn't some
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: quaint notion of separate spheres that kept so many women
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: away from the women's rights movement. It was the fear
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: of losing the valuable influence they already possessed. Interestingly, the
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: suffragists also understood the benefit of being non partisan, and
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: they often pointed out that their request for the vote
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: was a non partisan appeal to the lawmakers. When the
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: more power without the vote argument is overlooked, the anties
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: seem like ultra conservatives who acted irrationally against their own
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: best interests. This omission creates a false picture. But that's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: what feminists say today all the time. Isn't it like
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: if you talk to women about women's suffrage, and for instance,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I had a conversation even men, by the way, have
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: this opinion, a conversation not too long ago go in
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: which it was brought up that we don't hate God.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I can't think of her name now, Pearl for saying
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: that women shouldn't vote, just just for saying that women
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: shouldn't vote, Like no question of you know, why does
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: she say that? Just oh we should hate her for that, and.
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  Speaker 3: They hate her for everything she says. It doesn't matter
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: what she says.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't even hear the idea that there are rational
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: arguments for for why women shouldn't vote.
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  Speaker 2: It was the strangest thing that couple of weeks last
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: spring where when all the trade comes got a whole
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: arrangement center, people who are quite happy to talk to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: destiny like this guy who just openly wants them dead.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: This guy they have nothing in common with other than
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: this principle of don't be mean to women. You will
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: happily talk to him, they'll happily give him traffic. But Pearl,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: they have everything in common with her, these trad cons
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: except this principle of don't be mean to women. It's
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: just goes to show you that this rice paper thin
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: divide between trad cons and feminists, that they'll happily forgive
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: you for anything, including wanting them dead, except this fucking sympathy.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: So how much work there is to be done that
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: that all of this is going to keep happening because
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: because even mortal enemies will will will come together because
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: they're so terrified.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Of being too mean to women, like Dinos.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm really trying not to fall out with all
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: of these people with whom I have so much in common,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: but that they are the same. They're determined to fall
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: out with anyone who's being even slightly too mean to women.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, guys, this immigration issue is nothing, this
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: race issue is nothing, This LGBTQ issue is nothing, because
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: evidently it means nothing to you because you can forgive
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: all of that as long as everyone's not being mean
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: to women like and this is people who've been talking
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: about this for ten years and and the rest they've
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: ever since the Game of Eight Days and before, they've
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: been saying, guys, maybe this issue of being too mean
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: to women isn't that much of an issue. Maybe maybe
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: it's fine until Pearl came along. And it's there this
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: thing when Pearl came along, all of a sudden, people
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: that all these trad cons started saying, you're just like
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: a feminist, You're the you're you're the mirror image of
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: a feminist. You're the exact opposite of a feminist. Therefore
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: you're a feminist, And I'm.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Like, what what feminists actually do?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: This is what people were saying about you ten years ago,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: that you're the opposite of a feminist because you occasionally
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: advocate for men's rights, even if it means occasionally being
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: means to women. And like I said, I only went
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: home for a couple of weeks and then and then
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: they all moved on to fucking immigration and race and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: it's just it. Yeah, it's mind blowing that we that
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: we have so far to go and we're never going
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: to go there because we're still dealing with all of
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: these secondary and tertiary symptoms of of.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's the thing that gaines centrism is the key.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: It is the common denominator between uh feminist feminist missonry
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: or miss andry and trad con missandry right trad con
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: reaction to anyone who suggests that, you know, there there
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: might be separate spears, you know, anyone who suggests that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: there might be fear, the fears might be so separate,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: that there might be rights men should have that women
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: should not. I know, feminists in particular are comfortable suggesting
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: that there should be rights women have that men should not.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: You get trad con discussing rights they think women should
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: have that men should not. And when you start providing
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: evidence that it's detrimental to both men and women and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: also in many cases detrimental to children for that condition
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: to exist, they start changing their minds. But feminists just
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: get mad and have temper tantrums and say nasty things
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: and block you so you can't respond. But and they
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: do have that starting point of this belief in rights
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: that women should have that men should not, and they
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: both have they share a common belief that even though
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: you might say women are strong and capable on their
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: own and they're not whimps and blah blah blah, men
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: should still take responsibility for aspects of women's safety, security,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: and financial health. I guess you know. Both both sides
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: seem to have that that commonality of making men responsible
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: for women instead of women responsible for themselves.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: And they don't seem to understand the accountability gap when
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: you do show when you when you make the accountability
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: gap undeniable to feminists, like I said, they freak out,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: They say nasty things to you in block so you
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: can't respond. When you do it with trad cons you
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: sometimes get that response from the women. The men have
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: a tendency, some of them to turn into red pillars.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Some of them are very threatened by it. They don't
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: understand that it's it's not emasculating to a man for
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: a woman to be responsible for herself. It's actually very
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: masculine for a man to judge women for character and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: not associate himself and make himself vulnerable to a woman
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: who is of foolish character. But there are a lot
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: of men that have been raised with the misconception, probably
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: by guynocentric moms, that women can't be responsible for themselves
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: and it's just on men to pick up the slack,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: so we were at Interestingly, the suffragettes also understood the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: benefit of being nonpartisan, and often pointed out their request
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: for the vote was nonpartisan. We read that part reasonable
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: people could disagree over whether it was better to influence
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: society with the voter without it. Annie Wittenmeier, founding president
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: of the Women's Christian Temperance Union, famous for getting the
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: eighteenth Amendment. I think it was past that had to
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: be repealed using another amendment later on after it created
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: the mafia or at least the mafia as we know
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: it today, because I mean it existed prior to that,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't like it is now. She preferred to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: use moral persuasion by holding prayer meetings and saloons for example.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Her successor, Francis Willard, preferred using political power, and she
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: persuaded the WCTU to support suffrage in eighteen eighty one.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Wittenmeier was so strongly opposed to women's suffrage that she
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: actually quit the organization she had founded. Of course, no
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: mention here. I don't see Carrie Nation. Carrie Nation didn't
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: go into saloons and pray. She went in wielding an
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: axe and broke furniture and threatened people with bodily harm.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: She wasn't like you know, this cute, little dimple cheeked,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: chibby woman going in. I'm gonna kick there, but you
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: know no. She was six feet tall, broad shoulders, looked
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: like a rugby player, and went in there wielding a
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: great big axe, like great big hand acts and literally
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: rip the place up, just tore the place up. She
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: was a wrecking ball. She came in like a wrecking ball,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: scared the shit out of people, and at least once
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: she did that to a sasparilla bar. There was no
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: alcohol in the root beer, but it said in the name.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: So she went in wrecked place along with her friends.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Because you know, the women that decided that alcohol was
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: the source of all their marital woes were the smartest
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: of the bunch. The idea that civic minded women had
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: more political power without the vote was recently supported by
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: political scientist Kristin Goss, who showed that women's advocacy for
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: the public good peaked in the nineteen forties and fifties,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: then declined as women became a special interest group lobbying
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: for their own interests. Similarly, in nineteen thirty three, Sofonisba
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Breckinridge noted as.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Just not a real name. How the fuck is that
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: a real name? Nobody's called them?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Possibly from some other language besides English.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Sofan is well speak English, I mean that happen.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Obviously has an English last name, and noted a sharp
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: decline in women's influence over lawmakers beginning in nineteen twenty four.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: So four years after women got the vote, when lawmakers
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: women realized women did not vote as a block. And
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: we'll probably I think we'll stop there, just because we
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: have a headline to go with for the next time,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about their public relations problems. And then
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look ahead and see we might, like I said,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: we might preempt next week's look into the suffragists and
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: the suffragettes and the anti suffragists for a different discussion
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: because it's relevant now. It's just I really do want
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: to wait a week for some more evidence to come out,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: or for at least some of the evidence to be
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: more solidly confirmed to see, you know, because there's been
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: a thing lately where information comes out and then people
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: react to it, and it's the left wing media that's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: that's reporting it. Not just the established media, establishment media,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: but the left wing of the establishment media reports this stuff,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: and then the right wing of the political discussion starts
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: reacting to it, and then all of a sudden it
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: gets debunked and it's not, well, we were wrong when
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: we told you this, so you can calm down now.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: It's you guys are making this up, right, And then
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: some of it is true and some of it's not.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: And there's been some weirdness like when Trump was shot
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: when they hit him in the ear, like the day
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: after word, there was something that came out about a
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: cryptocurrency company making a decision that seemed suspect, right, that
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: that part of the story was true. There could be
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: alternative explanations for it, but it doesn't eliminate the gosh,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: this is awfully weird aspect of it. Right. But when
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: that came out, there were a bunch of posts on
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: social media that made a bunch of claims that were
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: just profoundly bullshit. One of them, one of them had
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: to do with a connection between the company owner and
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: having being married to Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter, which is
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: obviously ridiculous. And you know, so like there's a lot
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: of stuff like that that's oating around and I don't
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: want to just like jump into discussing the information about
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: like this, this this guy, I think we called him
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: by the wrong name. It's Ralse, not Ruth. But he
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: he was involved in a lot of suspicious recruiting activity
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: in Ukraine. And there's some information that has come out
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: of about.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: That has been discussed on Tuesday, Yeah, on Tuesday. In
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: a country where where the men are drafted into these wars,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: recruiting doesn't mean recruiting. It means rounding people up to
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: their death. It means traveling from home to home going
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: Oh you are you're hiding fighting age men below your
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: flob boards. Ye are.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it was more than that, because he's recruiting
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: people who were foreign to Ukraine, and some of the
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: people that it looks like he was recruiting were from
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: countries that are enemies to the United States or that
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: we're enemies to the United States, and it just it's
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: it's really weird. So I kind of wanted to get
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: into that because of the aspect of, you know, he's
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: only going to be recruiting men for this, He's not
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: gonna be He wasn't recruiting women. He wasn't looking for
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: women to show up and hold guns and get shot
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: at and step on land mines and stuff. He was
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: he was looking for men. So and it does. It
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: does look like it attaches to the CIA, very much
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: like the thing that I read about the CIA on Tuesday.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Looks even more relevant now. But again it's too early
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: to any speculation on that. Right now, it may be
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: turned around on us, and I want more information before
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: I do a show about it. So so with that said,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look and see if we got any super Chows,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: because I we don't have any super chot, but we
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: usually have at least one super Chow, and I have
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: not actually been looking because I had it on the
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: wrong channel. So our discord is huge. Yeah, huge, Okay,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: so there's one that must be It might be from
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: an early earlier episode. Zapier sent us a link to
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: a YouTube video lock picking Lawyer getting in my ex
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Girlfriend's back door April Fool's video, which I am not
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: going to play on air because that's somebody else's video.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: But now you know what video to look for. It's
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: ten seventy one getting in my ex Girlfriend's back door
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: per entheses April Fools video. Lock Picking Lawyers on YouTube
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: looks interesting. I have actually watched an episode or two
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: of lock Picking Lawyer. The guy actually is an expert
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: lock pick. Kind of kind of makes you doubt the
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: validity of using locks for anything. But in any case,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: then we have Meredith g gave us five dollars at
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: seven thirty eight when we were on the air and
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: said honeyback HBr Talk three twenty five honey for the Badgers,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: and Coder Dodger gave US five dollars and said men
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: are coal miners, high mic, women are coal burners. Yeah,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: that's true, especially now women now like don't don't think
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: about the effort and pain and suffering and risk that
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: goes into obtaining all of the the conveniences you know
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: that they have, like the cold that gets burnt to
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: make the electricity to run their electric cars that they're
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: running running around pretending to be environmental in environmentalists and look, Hannah,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: a cold powered car.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: That's that's not what cole Burner means.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: I know, but women and women are Women are terrible
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: sometimes about stuff like that. And I had to bring
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: What is.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: On YouTube?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can explain it on you dude,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: well even more intrigued.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: Think about it's it's yeah, I don't know if we can.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's not bad, is it? It's just it's YouTube.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not that bad. It's just it's YouTube,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: Mm HMMA, get an explanation for this as soon as
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: we're off air, because is it a racial thing? Is
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: that what we yes? Yakay, I'm slightly closer to understanding up.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: It's it's kind of hard to YouTube. YouTube wouldn't crack
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: down on euphemisms for for just just sexual things, but
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: there are certain euphemisms that that it doesn't. There's no
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: disguising it. When YouTube will get YouTube gets really heated
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: Mm hm.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: That said, that's all of our super chows. We have
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: no super chats, We have no rumble rants this time around.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: So that is the end of the show. Thanks everybody
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: for listening, Thanks to my two co hosts for going
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: through the dry material with me and all the contributions,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: and thanks to everybody who works in the background to
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: make HBr Talk happen. And good night all. They tried
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: to kill him, they did, and we will see you
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: next Thursday.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: I never could get the hang of Thursdays.