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Credlin | 4 November · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company as always here.
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Speaker 2: What's coming up on the show tonight? A big parliamentary
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Speaker 2: sitting day in Canberra with more MPs becoming engulfed in
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Speaker 2: the upgrade scandal as a Prime minister still fails to
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Speaker 2: answer key questions. We'll talk to to a military expert
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Speaker 2: about news today that are recently announced seven billion dollar
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Speaker 2: space project is already on the scrap heap after the
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Speaker 2: defense budget comes up short. We also learned too that
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Speaker 2: the majority of our submarines can't be put to sea
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Speaker 2: because they're out of service. The revelation today too and
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Speaker 2: Senate estimates that the Home Affairs boss is more focused
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Speaker 2: on getting rid of the Australian flag than other more
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Speaker 2: urgent security responsibilities, sparking criticism of the federal government's woke obsessions.
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Speaker 3: Thus will cross.
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Speaker 2: Live two to North Carolina, where Donald Trump today held
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Speaker 2: one of several rallies. With the election on a knife's edge,
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Speaker 2: James Morrow with more and more signs on the weekend
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Speaker 2: that there will be a labor election sooner rather than later,
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Speaker 2: with the desper Prime Minister holding a US style rally
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Speaker 2: to try and shift the debate away from his scandals.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister played this card trick on the weekend
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Speaker 4: with his sixteen billion dollar university degree debt policy. Prime Minister,
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Speaker 4: our country is off track and this Labor government is
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Speaker 4: damaging the economy and keeping interest rates higher for longer,
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Speaker 4: which is hurting families. When will the reckless spending stop?
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Speaker 2: The first afterwards, probably the worst fortnight of his prime ministership,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanez is trying to reset yesterday with.
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Speaker 3: What looked very much like an election campaign.
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Speaker 2: Launch, and while he was at it, holding his US
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Speaker 2: style rally, he did it in a school hall, at
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Speaker 2: a state.
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Speaker 5: School, building on the strong foundations we have laid, building together,
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Speaker 5: building to last, our Labor government, building Australia's future.
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Speaker 2: We'll make no mistake that was Labor firing the campaign
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Speaker 2: starting gun, because this is a government that's got its
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Speaker 2: back to the wall, a prime minister that's deeply unpopular
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Speaker 2: and Labour's best form of defense.
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Speaker 3: Has always been attack.
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Speaker 2: For a prime minister that's proven hopeless at governing, getting
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Speaker 2: him back into political mode, fighting tories is where he's
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Speaker 2: most comfortable.
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Speaker 5: I like fighting tories that's what I do.
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Speaker 3: That's what I do. Well take it from me.
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Speaker 2: With no record to run on, no plans for the future,
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Speaker 2: the coming campaign will all be about giveaways and a
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Speaker 2: fair bit of personal abuse too. Thrown at Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 2: as Labor proved yesterday.
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Speaker 5: He thinks workers don't deserve fair wages. He thinks you
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Speaker 5: don't need help with your power bills. He thinks medicine
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Speaker 5: should be more expensive and medicare less generous. He's wrong
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Speaker 5: about our country and his agenda is all wrong.
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Speaker 6: Peter Dutton's intention to take Australia backwards and leave people
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Speaker 6: worse off. In opposition, he's selfish and his stubborn attitude
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Speaker 6: has been frustrating, But in government it would be frightening.
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Speaker 2: In a nagative attempt to try and craw back the
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Speaker 2: youth vote from the Greens, labor through sixteen billion dollars
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Speaker 2: at the education sector, announcing that everyone with a hex
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Speaker 2: student debt would have twenty percent of it forgiven, just
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Speaker 2: like that.
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Speaker 5: This is about putting money back into your pocket and
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Speaker 5: putting inter generational equity back into the system. Good for
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Speaker 5: the cost of living, good for this general and for
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Speaker 5: generations to come.
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Speaker 3: Paublo can't even add up. If only it was that simple.
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Speaker 2: Because debt doesn't disappear, it's borrowed money that has to
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Speaker 2: be paid back. Only now the students aren't paying it back.
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Speaker 2: The rest of the country will have to pay it back,
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Speaker 2: including those Australians who work hard to pay tax and
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Speaker 2: have never seen inside a university, let alone earning the
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Speaker 2: sort of good money wages that those with a degree
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Speaker 2: usually do. What the Prime Minister announced yesterday was basically
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Speaker 2: a sixteen billion dollar wealth transfer to the higher income
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Speaker 2: earners of the future from the lower income earners of today.
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Speaker 2: Who says there's no Santa Claus. But if the Greens
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Speaker 2: had their way, all debts would be abolished, which is
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Speaker 2: why they are so desperate to hold the balance of
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Speaker 2: power after the next election.
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Speaker 7: We welcome Labor adopting Green's policy to start to ca
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Speaker 7: ansel student debt, but why are you waiting for an
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Speaker 7: election to legislate this. Will you commit to introducing legislation
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Speaker 7: on debt cancelation and changing the repayment thresholds this week
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Speaker 7: so that we can pass it by the end of
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Speaker 7: this month. Given people debt relief and certainty, now.
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Speaker 2: Fair point if it's so good Labour doing now, And
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Speaker 2: Labour might say that the Greens are extreme, but that
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Speaker 2: doesn't stop their drift to the green left, nor, for
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Speaker 2: that matter, is it stopping Labor green preference swaps. Now
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister might talk tough these only in the.
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Speaker 3: Lodge because of Green's preferences.
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Speaker 2: So how can you say you're against the extremists when
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Speaker 2: you're giving the extremists your preferences. But what was most
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Speaker 2: telling yesterday was the NonStop abuse of Opposition Leader Peter Darton.
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Speaker 3: It started early.
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Speaker 2: With the warmack warm up acts from Petty Wong and
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Speaker 2: Richard Miles.
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Speaker 3: Every election is a choice.
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Speaker 6: It's a choice between our plans to deliver more progress
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Speaker 6: or Peter Dutton's pledge to stop it, block it and
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Speaker 6: wreck it.
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Speaker 3: And then this from the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 5: Peter Dutton has spent every day as Opposition leader hoping
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Speaker 5: for the worst for this country.
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Speaker 2: On and on he went, Harvey Prime Ministerial. But there's
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Speaker 2: a difference here, isn't there The Opposition leader he attacks
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Speaker 2: the Prime minister's policies for the Prime Minister attacks the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader's character. Labour likes to lament the so called
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Speaker 2: americanization of Australian politics, but it's actually Labor itself that's
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Speaker 2: importing from America. The character assassination and personal demonization has
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Speaker 2: left America so divided and polarized these days. If the
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Speaker 2: left doesn't agree with you, but that doesn't just make
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Speaker 2: you wrong, it makes you bad. We've seen this moral
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Speaker 2: dimension play out on issues like climate change and the voice,
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Speaker 2: and it's now back front and center with the impending campaign.
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Speaker 2: And here's something else that Labour's imported from the American left.
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Speaker 2: As I've been saying here for weeks and weeks, the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister will call the election early. Labor will not
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Speaker 2: wait until May because they can't wait that long. They've
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Speaker 2: got a budget jew in March it'll be a sea
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Speaker 2: of red ink and they don't want to have to
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Speaker 2: announce those new twenty thirty five emissions targets that are
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Speaker 2: JEW also before the end of February. By calling it early,
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Speaker 2: they want to avoid this bad use. It'll still have it,
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Speaker 2: of course, it's just that as voters, you won't be
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Speaker 2: told the truth before election day. Plus, says a Labor
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Speaker 2: insider said to me on Saturday, we thought the worst
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Speaker 2: of it was his dumb idea to buy that multi
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Speaker 2: million dollar beach house until the upgrade saga broke. If
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Speaker 2: we don't call it early, this person said, there's no
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Speaker 2: guessing what other headlines are yet to come For a
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Speaker 2: bloke with such humble beginnings, this insider said to me,
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Speaker 2: is now anything but so the week kick off today,
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Speaker 2: another sitting week in Canberra. If it were me, I
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Speaker 2: would not expect the Parliament to come back after Christmas,
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Speaker 2: and if I was back in the Opposition leader's office,
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Speaker 2: I'd be on a war footing from Australia day.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: The house is sitting so an estimates are in full swing.
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Speaker 2: We'll go there now for the headlines to camera with
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Speaker 2: Skyny's political reporter Olivia Caisley Good Evening.
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Speaker 8: Federal MPs are vowing to quit the VIP lounges of
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Speaker 8: Australian Airlines amid revelations the Prime Minister received twenty two
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Speaker 8: flight upgrades from Quantas. Anthony Alberizi has denied ever personally
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Speaker 8: contacting former CEO Alan Joyce to secure those perks. It has, however,
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Speaker 8: sparked broader debate about whether freebies have swayed government decisions.
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Speaker 8: It's led Independent MP's Allegoris Spender, Helen Haynes and Monique
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Speaker 8: Ryan to call for an end to upgrades for politicians.
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Speaker 3: Upgrades for personal business from the airlines. It's time to
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Speaker 3: coll quits on that.
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Speaker 8: The MPs have relinquished their Quantus and Virgin VIP lounge
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Speaker 8: memberships and want others to follow suit. Not everyone, though,
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Speaker 8: is in agreement.
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Speaker 7: Oh look, I've just taken the view that you declare
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Speaker 7: it and you and people can make their own decisions.
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Speaker 8: As the political turbulence continues, Labor is trying to reset
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Speaker 8: the agenda by focusing on its promised tweaks to tafe
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Speaker 8: and university fees, announcing it will slash hext's debts for
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Speaker 8: university students by twenty percent if it has returned to
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Speaker 8: government at the next election.
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Speaker 1: Student debt of say twenty seven grand, that'll wipe five
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Speaker 1: five hundred dollars off their bill.
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Speaker 3: It's part of a push.
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Speaker 8: To win over young voters being increasingly enticed to vote
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Speaker 8: for the Greens. The minor party is claiming victory for
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Speaker 8: the changes, but says more needs to be done.
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Speaker 9: Death and university should be free as there were for
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: The Coalition has rubbished the policy.
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Speaker 2: Sixteen billion dollars to benefit three million people.
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Speaker 8: Meanwhile, Home Affairs Secretary Stephanie Foster has been grilled over
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Speaker 8: her decision to remove the Australian flag from department headshots.
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Speaker 8: The change, which happened between July and August, has led
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Speaker 8: to criticism from the Coalition. They say they don't understand
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Speaker 8: why this was prioritized when the Department was dealing with
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Speaker 8: other major matters such as Palestinian visas and the release
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Speaker 8: of non citizens into the community.
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Speaker 10: Why is it Apartment uncomfortable appearing in photographs with Isralan
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Speaker 10: national flag and other flags?
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Speaker 3: Not all uncomfortable, Senator, I've explained the rationale. I'll just
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Speaker 3: planning to get through.
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Speaker 2: Is there our national editor at The Australian, Dennis Shanahan.
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Speaker 2: Great to have your company, As Dennis will start with
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Speaker 2: question time. The opposition today absolutely focused not on quonscious upgrades,
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Speaker 2: but on cost of living.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 4: This labor government is damaging the economy and keeping interest
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Speaker 4: rates higher for longer, which is hurting families. When will
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Speaker 4: the reckless spending stop.
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Speaker 3: Is Australia in a household recession?
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Speaker 8: Household recession is a technically defined term and we would
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Speaker 8: expect a yes or no answer.
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Speaker 11: Questions to the Prime Minister for how many months have
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Speaker 11: Australian suffered under Labour's household recession?
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Speaker 2: I know ded as some people who love the sort
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Speaker 2: of the squawking and the fighting that goes on in
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Speaker 2: the theater of question time might have hoped the upgrades
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Speaker 2: would lead off the week. But given we've got an
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Speaker 2: RBA meeting tomorrow, and given that upgrades won't change votes,
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Speaker 2: but economic circumstances in households will, I can understand why
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Speaker 2: their focus was where it was today.
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Speaker 3: What did you think? Oh?
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Speaker 11: Yes, Look, it has always been about the economy, about
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Speaker 11: the pressure on household's cost of living, and at some
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Speaker 11: stage Peter Dutton had to shift. He's been very patient,
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Speaker 11: He's used various political scandals to actually damage the government,
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Speaker 11: but now he is switching to the economy. At the
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Speaker 11: same time, the government wants to talk about the economy,
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Speaker 11: wants to talk about anything else but quantus upgrades. But
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Speaker 11: what is happening here is the two leaders have committed
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Speaker 11: to probably the longest election campaign in history in Australia.
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Speaker 11: We are now going to be campaigning all the way
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Speaker 11: through to next year, and Peter Dutton has turned to
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Speaker 11: the economy, but not just the economy. He's turned to
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Speaker 11: the household economy, to kitchen economic He's talking about the
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Speaker 11: price pressures on families, not the inflation figure. And so
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Speaker 11: what we're seeing here is a very narrow caste approach
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Speaker 11: from Peter Dutton, aiming at outer suburban areas of Australia
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Speaker 11: where the cost of living is still felt most, and
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Speaker 11: that's where he can shift votes in a big way
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Speaker 11: come the election.
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Speaker 2: We know he's herding on the upgrades fiasco. It all
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Speaker 2: goes to his character and it's a cumulative effect. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's it's the fancy house, it's the love of the freebie.
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Speaker 2: Then it's the upgrades on personal travel while he was
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Speaker 2: a regulating minister. All of those in aggregate make it,
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Speaker 2: I guess less likely he can campaign on being the
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Speaker 2: bloke from the Housing Commission flats anymore.
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Speaker 3: Those days are gone.
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Speaker 2: But just in terms of election timing, I listened to
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Speaker 2: that yesterday.
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Speaker 3: It took me back to twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 2: Remember when Julia Gillard announced at the start of the
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Speaker 2: year the date of the election.
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Speaker 3: Now that was to stave off Kevin Rada didn't work.
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Speaker 2: Of course, he took her out in twenty thirteen and
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Speaker 2: went to the election and lost. But it felt to
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Speaker 2: me like the Prime Minister has got some cranking troops
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Speaker 2: on his backbench. He's got to get onto the political
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Speaker 2: war footing of a campaign to get the focus back
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Speaker 2: to where Labor wants it and away. I guess from
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Speaker 2: what's been a pretty poor performance for at least two
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Speaker 2: years on governing.
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Speaker 11: Indeed, and I think the Prime Minister, I mean, it
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Speaker 11: looked like an election launch on Sunday. It looked like
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Speaker 11: a rally and all the cash splash. It's all about
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Speaker 11: an election campaign. We are seeing all sorts of messages
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Speaker 11: going out on social media, people being contacted by Labor.
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Speaker 11: The Prime ministry is behaving as if the election campaign
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Speaker 11: has already begun. The reason he's doing that is because
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Speaker 11: he has to try and recapture momentum. We saw last
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Speaker 11: year when he lost momentum over the referendum, he had
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Speaker 11: to go into a mini mid term election campaign. He's
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Speaker 11: doing the same now. He's trying to draw and lock
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Speaker 11: in critics within the party saying well, we've got a
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Speaker 11: campaign going now. And so he is trying to get
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Speaker 11: people to be disciplined, and of course Peter Dutton has
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Speaker 11: been doing the same thing for quite some time, saying
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Speaker 11: be ready for an election here or now. Well, of
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Speaker 11: course I think that we know as of today there
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Speaker 11: is no election in twenty twenty four, which is something
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Speaker 11: which I've always said. I know you've had a different view,
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Speaker 11: but we are now looking at an election, possibly in
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Speaker 11: March and certainly in May. But what we've got is
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Speaker 11: an empty agenda in the Parliament for the next three weeks,
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Speaker 11: possibly for the next four or five weeks at the
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Speaker 11: beginning of next year, because the government has gone into
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Speaker 11: election mode. It's given up legislative mode and it is
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Speaker 11: just saying think of the second term agenda. It was
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Speaker 11: extraordinary the Prime Minister today in Parliament talking about what
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Speaker 11: they are going to do in their second term agenda
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Speaker 11: when there is still five to six months of parliament
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Speaker 11: to run in theory. So I think that this is
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Speaker 11: a clear sign the government has nothing else to do
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Speaker 11: but campaign.
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Speaker 3: Politically, yeah, I think they will. I don't think parliament
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Speaker 3: will come back if a monestiness.
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Speaker 2: I think they'll call it sometime after Australia day February
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Speaker 2: for March something like that. And there's a whole range
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Speaker 2: of things, not least these ambitions targets that they're due
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Speaker 2: to put out in February, which will be very, very tough.
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Speaker 3: They'll make the prices.
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Speaker 2: For electricity and then also food and transport more expensive
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Speaker 2: in a cost of living war.
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Speaker 3: But I think Liberals would be.
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Speaker 2: Making a big mistake if they underestimate Albanesi as a campaigner.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's got his back to the wall.
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Speaker 2: I think the labor machine is very good, particularly South
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Speaker 2: Australia New South Wales, now that they've got good premiers
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Speaker 2: on board. I think there's problems in Victoria, of course
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Speaker 2: there is, but the Libs. The Libs are in trouble
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Speaker 2: in most of these states are in opposition. They haven't
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Speaker 2: got all their candidates in. I know, money is always
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Speaker 2: a challenge for the center right side of politics. So
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Speaker 2: this is where I think the Liberal Party in particular
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Speaker 2: has got its homework for themselves over Christmas.
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Speaker 9: Oh certainly.
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Speaker 11: And look, Anthony Albanasi is a very good campaigner. He's
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Speaker 11: not particularly good on detail, and we've seen you can
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Speaker 11: trip up, but when he is fired up, he is
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Speaker 11: very good as he says, he likes fighting Tories and
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Speaker 11: that's what he likes to do, and in a campaign
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Speaker 11: he can do that much better than when he's in
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Speaker 11: Parliament being cross examined by people with very good grounding
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Speaker 11: in all the areas where he doesn't have a good grounding.
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Speaker 11: So I think that he's going to be in trouble.
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Speaker 11: He's going to be under pressure, And of course that
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Speaker 11: doesn't mean the Liberals can win. They're a long way
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Speaker 11: from that. But I think that this election is going
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Speaker 11: to be much closer than everyone possibly thought at the
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Speaker 11: beginning of the term. Because the Labor thought Peter Dutton
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Speaker 11: was unelectable. They thought they can destroy him as they
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Speaker 11: did Scott Morrison, and they are trying to do that.
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Speaker 11: But the difference about Peter Dutton has been around the
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Speaker 11: block quite a few times, and voters see him as strong.
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Speaker 11: There's a very big difference between voters seeing someone favorably
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Speaker 11: and likable and being popular and being strong and decisive,
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Speaker 11: and they are qualities that people look for in leaders,
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Speaker 11: and they are not qualities they are seeing in Anthony Albanese.
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Speaker 11: This is going to be a fascinating five or six
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Speaker 11: months of an election campaign in all but name.
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Speaker 3: Well over they're Dennis.
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Speaker 2: Will come back to those points, those word associations with
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Speaker 2: the two men a little later on, because they are
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Speaker 2: words being used in a recent poll that's out today
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Speaker 2: in the Herald Sun.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time. Great to have you back, Dennis Shanahan.
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to the United States now, where
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Speaker 2: presidential election fever pitch is absolutely in full swing. Just
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Speaker 2: over two days left in the campaign. Already seventy six
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Speaker 2: million Americans have cast their votes either by mail or
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Speaker 2: early polling the candidates while they're out in the hustings,
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Speaker 2: drawing in big crowds at events in key states over
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Speaker 2: the next matter of hours what forty eight seventy two
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Speaker 2: hours to bring in undecided voters. Donald Trump has held
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Speaker 2: rallies in the swing states Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia.
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is focused on at Michigan and that surprise
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Speaker 2: appearance on Saturday Night Live in New York, joined now
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Speaker 2: state side by James Murrow in Rawley, North Carolina. James,
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Speaker 2: great to have your company. You're in North Carolina, one
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Speaker 2: of the key battlegrounds. The officials are reporting that fifty
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Speaker 2: seven percent of registered voters have already cast their ballot.
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Speaker 3: What to feel like on the ground.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, well that's right. Fifty seven percent of the voters
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Speaker 12: three point one million North Carolinas have already cast their
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Speaker 12: ballot by early mail or absentee ballots. This is something
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Speaker 12: we're seeing across the country this year. Both parties are
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Speaker 12: now in on the game of early voting, early absentee balloting,
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Speaker 12: which of course the Democrats took great advantage of in
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Speaker 12: twenty twenty. This year, it's really interesting when you look
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Speaker 12: at some of the palling around that it looks like
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Speaker 12: among certain groups. Min I argues, particularly that's those numbers
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Speaker 12: are down, which may be a worry for the Democrats'
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Speaker 12: roll here in North Carolina. This state is expected to
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Speaker 12: fall into the Donald Trump camp. But I'll say this,
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Speaker 12: the mood here on the ground is people are very,
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Speaker 12: very wary. I think of both candidates. A couple of
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Speaker 12: people I have spoken to you tonight already, just on
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Speaker 12: the ground we got in a few hours ago, have said, look,
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Speaker 12: I'm a Republican, I'm a Trump supporter, but this campaign
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Speaker 12: is wearying. One person said, you know, I'm seeing some
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Speaker 12: of the stuff Donald Trump says and I think a
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Speaker 12: lot of that also reflects Peter. The way in the
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Speaker 12: last few days the media has gone on a full
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Speaker 12: court press here to really amplify all the Democrats scare
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Speaker 12: campaign points, talking points about you know, Donald Trump being reckless,
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Speaker 12: saying this and that, even if it means shading the
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Speaker 12: truth about what he's actually said.
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Speaker 2: What did Jamaica that I would pull out today? This
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Speaker 2: is from renowned Polster and Seltzer. It's got Harris, They head,
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Speaker 2: I think it's a handful of points forty seven to
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Speaker 2: forty four. Now, I am very wary of extrapolating one
21:57
Speaker 2: pole across the hole of.
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Speaker 3: The United States.
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Speaker 2: But the extrapolation says it would lead to a Harris
22:03
Speaker 2: wind in a landslide.
22:05
Speaker 3: Forget the extrapolation.
22:06
Speaker 2: But there's been a shift of momentum in the last
22:09
Speaker 2: couple of days. They say to the Harris camp, we're
22:12
Speaker 2: watching from Afar.
22:13
Speaker 3: You're there, how do you read Iowa?
22:17
Speaker 12: Yeah? Well, look the n Seltzer pol I think is
22:19
Speaker 12: really interesting because when you dive into the cross tabs
22:22
Speaker 12: of that Paul Peter, you find some really strange things
22:25
Speaker 12: like groups that you know, let's say, women thirty five
22:28
Speaker 12: sixty five, for example, you know, swinging wildly twenty percent
22:32
Speaker 12: in the Democrat column versus where they were in twenty
22:35
Speaker 12: twenty for example. You know, there's a lot of sort
22:37
Speaker 12: of weird numbers in that poll that I don't think
22:39
Speaker 12: they just don't accord with anything that we saw in
22:41
Speaker 12: the twenty twenty election, in the twenty sixteen election that
22:44
Speaker 12: we've seen in an end of the poll, and the
22:46
Speaker 12: Emerson poll in Iowa had this a much closer race,
22:49
Speaker 12: and in fact, I think gives it basically to Trump.
22:52
Speaker 12: So that's this ann Seltzer pol though, has been leapt
22:56
Speaker 12: on again in the press, and I think that it's
22:58
Speaker 12: one of these things that has been used to it's
23:00
Speaker 12: own momentum around the idea that this one poll in
23:02
Speaker 12: this one small state somehow means, oh, certainly the mojo
23:05
Speaker 12: has gone for Trump. Harris is going to ramp it in.
23:08
Speaker 12: And I'm just not sure that we're going to see
23:10
Speaker 12: that again, because there's such a tide of early balloting
23:14
Speaker 12: that you know, whoever wins this is going to have
23:17
Speaker 12: to get across.
23:20
Speaker 2: And just on the gender debate, I mean, yes, you
23:22
Speaker 2: know women are going to her, but men are going
23:25
Speaker 2: to Trump. So if Trump has a woman's problem, a
23:28
Speaker 2: women's problem. She certainly has a problem with men. But
23:31
Speaker 2: the messaging from the Democrats in the last couple of
23:33
Speaker 2: days saying to women, you don't have to tell your
23:36
Speaker 2: husband how you're voting if you're going to vote Democrat,
23:39
Speaker 2: you know, walk out and give him a fear of
23:41
Speaker 2: the ballot box to say that you voted the right way,
23:43
Speaker 2: that you've voted for Trump. I mean, this is nineteen
23:45
Speaker 2: fifty sort of rubbish. I mean, I think it's incredibly.
23:49
Speaker 3: Insulting to put this out as a campaign message. Is
23:52
Speaker 3: just going to backfire.
23:55
Speaker 9: Well, I think so.
23:56
Speaker 12: And I think that this is part of, you know,
23:59
Speaker 12: this broader problem we have here is that the Democrats
24:01
Speaker 12: Peter talk about unity all the time, but then they
24:04
Speaker 12: go and they say really divisive things like that. Now,
24:07
Speaker 12: there's no surprise that there's a big gender gap. You know,
24:10
Speaker 12: men break for Trumps sixty forty more or less. I
24:13
Speaker 12: think women opposite direction for Harris. And you know, there's
24:16
Speaker 12: no no, you know, shortage of reasons why that is,
24:19
Speaker 12: whether it's abortion on the Democrat side or the fact
24:22
Speaker 12: that on the Republican side an awful lot of men
24:24
Speaker 12: just don't feel welcome in the Democrat Party anymore with
24:27
Speaker 12: all the talk of you know, toxic masculinity and everything
24:30
Speaker 12: else like that. But that's not just nineteen fifties rhetoric.
24:32
Speaker 12: That's eighteen fifties rhetoric. I think it's just the sort
24:35
Speaker 12: of divisive sort of thing that we'll also wind up
24:38
Speaker 12: further turning off men as well as I think an
24:41
Speaker 12: awful lot of women, because it's patronizing to women, and
24:44
Speaker 12: it's insulting to men, treating them as these sort of
24:46
Speaker 12: beasts and brutes who can't, you know, allow their wives
24:51
Speaker 12: and their partners or their boyfriends to vote the way
24:53
Speaker 12: they want to. Yeah, exactly. It's bizarre, and I think
24:57
Speaker 12: it's part of this divisive rhetoric that the Democrat push
25:00
Speaker 12: underneath this sort of cloak of oh, we're all about unity,
25:04
Speaker 12: and yet it's really scratched the service. It's all about demonization.
25:10
Speaker 2: All right, Tuesday night, your time, Wednesday, our time. Do
25:13
Speaker 2: you think we will get a result on the day.
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Speaker 12: Well, look, at this stage, I don't think so, simply
25:21
Speaker 12: because a lot of the swing states, you know, Pennsylvania
25:25
Speaker 12: and a number of others have already said, hey, we're
25:27
Speaker 12: probably not going to have a result on the day. Now,
25:29
Speaker 12: Pennsylvania is a state with a population smaller than Australia,
25:32
Speaker 12: it's a contiguous land mass, and they somehow can't get
25:36
Speaker 12: a result together on the day. I'm not sure how
25:39
Speaker 12: that works, why they can't do that, but they're already
25:41
Speaker 12: telegraphing that. And of course, so it sees states that
25:44
Speaker 12: you know why either side who is going to win,
25:46
Speaker 12: is going to need to fall into one column or
25:49
Speaker 12: the other. So it's very possible. In fact, I think
25:51
Speaker 12: it's probably likely at this stage that we simply don't know,
25:55
Speaker 12: even if we can extrapolate trends from where other states go.
25:58
Speaker 12: Now the other caveat, though, is there me be some surprises.
26:01
Speaker 12: You know, you may see like a Virginia girl Republican.
26:04
Speaker 12: If that happens, then you can almost guarantee that Trump's
26:07
Speaker 12: going to win, because you know the maths and the
26:09
Speaker 12: numbers are falling his way. But you know, in terms
26:11
Speaker 12: of that forrible, knowing that we've crossed two hundred and
26:14
Speaker 12: seventy electoral votes, this could take all the while.
26:17
Speaker 3: I'm afraid, goodness man, well you're very good.
26:21
Speaker 2: Good to me, my friend, to get up and have
26:23
Speaker 2: us two in the morning to join me here on Credline.
26:25
Speaker 3: Thank you, James.
26:27
Speaker 2: We'll all watch with interest. We'll have the courage here,
26:29
Speaker 2: of course, all day. On Wednesday, America decides twenty twenty four.
26:33
Speaker 2: What's cheer on Sky News on the foxtail channel as
26:35
Speaker 2: well Sky Newese Regional and our website sky news dot
26:39
Speaker 2: com dot Au al right after the break. They only
26:41
Speaker 2: announced it eighteen months ago, but already they've scrapped a
26:45
Speaker 2: major defense project because Labor simply doesn't have the budget money.
26:50
Speaker 2: Plus a bit later on, I'll be joined by an
26:52
Speaker 2: engineer with over.
26:53
Speaker 3: Forty years experience.
26:55
Speaker 2: It's called into question Chris Bowen's massive wind farm for
26:59
Speaker 2: the new.
26:59
Speaker 3: South South Coast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back still to come those expert engineers who say
27:08
Speaker 2: Chris bones offshore wind ambitions don't add up. One of
27:13
Speaker 2: the engineers will join me here on Kredline. The first
27:15
Speaker 2: yet another blow to our national defense preparedness, with Labour
27:19
Speaker 2: scrapping a seven billion dollar military grade satellites comms system.
27:24
Speaker 2: It's an upgrade which is only eighteen months old. They
27:28
Speaker 2: were touting it back then as Australia's biggest ever space program,
27:33
Speaker 2: but like so much when it comes to defense and labor.
27:36
Speaker 2: Good at the announcement, but shocking at delivery. Only one
27:39
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million was actually approved for what was
27:43
Speaker 2: to be a planned budget spend of five to seven
27:47
Speaker 2: billion dollars. Joined me now to discuss this and those submarines.
27:51
Speaker 2: Director at Strategic Analysis Australia, Michael Schuebridge. Well, Michael, before
27:56
Speaker 2: we get into the dollars and the cancellation of this project,
28:00
Speaker 2: explained why was this satellite system so important? Why don't
28:04
Speaker 2: we announce it in the first place?
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Speaker 13: Well, Peter, at the moment and for years, the Australian
28:10
Speaker 13: military has been almost completely dependent on American satellites and
28:15
Speaker 13: space systems, and a small number of commercial satellites to
28:19
Speaker 13: supplement that. We've had no Australian military space capabilities of
28:24
Speaker 13: our own, and all military communications and operations depend on space.
28:29
Speaker 13: So it's been a yawning hole in our capability.
28:35
Speaker 2: So we announced this project, we wait eighteen months to
28:38
Speaker 2: scrap it. We do it in and around the Melbourne
28:40
Speaker 2: Cup US election weekend. Hope nowhere notices.
28:44
Speaker 3: Will you notice?
28:45
Speaker 2: But we only ever had one hundred and fifty million
28:47
Speaker 2: dollars on the table, I mean blind FREDI could tell
28:51
Speaker 2: you that this was never going to get up unless
28:52
Speaker 2: they put serious money in.
28:56
Speaker 13: Well, it was meant to spend about seven billion dollars
28:59
Speaker 13: and it's taken about seven years of intense bureaucratic work
29:03
Speaker 13: to achieve nothing. So lockeed Martin was announced as the
29:09
Speaker 13: company to deliver this program in April last year. That
29:13
Speaker 13: project was reaffirmed in April by the government in their
29:15
Speaker 13: national Defense strategy. And now we're told something that was
29:19
Speaker 13: meant to be perfect eighteen months ago is now appalling
29:23
Speaker 13: and has to be entirely scrapped. It's hard to have
29:26
Speaker 13: any confidence in the government announcements or defense implementation.
29:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's.
29:33
Speaker 2: Funny yesterday that launch in Adelaide. You've got the Defense minister.
29:36
Speaker 2: They're throwing potshots at Peter Dutton, you know, making all
29:39
Speaker 2: the political slings and arrows land on the opposition leader,
29:43
Speaker 2: but not doing a press conference on something as important
29:45
Speaker 2: as this, explaining why they got it so wrong, explaining
29:49
Speaker 2: why they can't fulfill the commitment, why they wait eighteen
29:52
Speaker 2: months and as I say, bury it in the cup
29:54
Speaker 2: weekend and the US election.
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Speaker 13: Yes, it's very hard to take any of this seriously
30:02
Speaker 13: and see the government is having credibility on defense.
30:05
Speaker 3: Now.
30:05
Speaker 13: Eighteen months ago we're told something's perfect. Now we're told
30:09
Speaker 13: black is white, and we're meant to just go along
30:11
Speaker 13: with it and trust trust this government on defense. It's
30:16
Speaker 13: impossible to do that.
30:19
Speaker 2: They must be laughing pretty hard over in Beijing. Over
30:21
Speaker 2: the weekend we learn that just one of our six
30:24
Speaker 2: Collins class submarines is currently operational. All the rest, all
30:30
Speaker 2: other five of them are in dry duck. There's corrosion problems,
30:33
Speaker 2: maintenance delays, industrial disputes.
30:37
Speaker 3: I mean this is a joke.
30:40
Speaker 13: Yes, the Chief of Navy is now flagging that he
30:45
Speaker 13: doesn't understand the condition of these submarines. They're aging submarines.
30:51
Speaker 13: We don't know how many of them will have the
30:53
Speaker 13: big life of type extension done. What we can be
30:57
Speaker 13: pretty confident of is the six are not going to
31:00
Speaker 13: to when the new work is submarines turn up. And
31:02
Speaker 13: if we've got one operational submarine now, keeping those things
31:06
Speaker 13: operating for another ten and twenty years looks like a
31:10
Speaker 13: Sir Humphrey, courageous thing for the Minister to want to do.
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Speaker 2: Spot on, Michael, and they're still spinning as this line
31:18
Speaker 2: that we can't keep those boats in the water conventional
31:22
Speaker 2: diesel subs, But we're so sophisticated down in Adelaide. We
31:26
Speaker 2: can build all of these nuclear subs and that'll be
31:29
Speaker 2: a doddle. I do not believe it. I think we
31:31
Speaker 2: should end up taking completely a Virginia class the US built.
31:36
Speaker 2: But we'll see in another thirty or forty years time
31:39
Speaker 2: if we're still talking about this issue. I want to
31:41
Speaker 2: go to something that came up in estimates this afternoon.
31:44
Speaker 2: This is extraordinary. It's been confirmed that only one person,
31:50
Speaker 2: one person has had their visa canceled onshore after coming
31:54
Speaker 2: to Australia as part of that cohort of people fleeing Gaza.
31:59
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 14: I'm prepared to say it involves one.
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Speaker 9: Okay, all right, well that's helpful. I appreciate that.
32:05
Speaker 10: So that one person has had their visa canceled on
32:07
Speaker 10: shore and is in immigration detention, can you tell me
32:09
Speaker 10: whether it was for character or.
32:11
Speaker 15: Security grounds center it was canceled under Section five oh
32:14
Speaker 15: one of the Migration Act.
32:16
Speaker 10: Can explain that in plain language terms for people watching
32:18
Speaker 10: who don't know the provisions of the Migration Act.
32:20
Speaker 9: So those are the character provisions and the Migration Act.
32:22
Speaker 14: I'm not trying to say that it was information that
32:25
Speaker 14: was new and came to light or about something that
32:28
Speaker 14: happened on shore. I actually don't know the answer to that.
32:31
Speaker 14: What I do know, and we've said before, is that
32:34
Speaker 14: we continually are updated or agencies are continually updated about individuals.
32:42
Speaker 3: I honestly, Michael, what did you make of these.
32:46
Speaker 13: Well, I'm not sure that having a new minister over
32:50
Speaker 13: the top of this department is really improving anything. That
32:54
Speaker 13: whole visa scheme for people coming out of Gaza has
32:58
Speaker 13: been a debacle from start and it hasn't finished yet.
33:02
Speaker 13: And having to drag this information out of reluctant officials
33:05
Speaker 13: at estimates is just this government all over. They failed
33:09
Speaker 13: the transparency and honesty test.
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Speaker 2: And this is the department it's more focused on the
33:17
Speaker 2: flag sitting behind officials, as I said, than their core
33:21
Speaker 2: security responsibilities. Michael Schubridge, thank you all. Right After the
33:26
Speaker 2: break quick break an engineer's perspective on why Chris Bowen's
33:29
Speaker 2: planned that massive wind farm off the south coast isn't viable.
33:34
Speaker 2: Plus a week might be the worst thing.
33:37
Speaker 3: You can call a leader. That's the verdict.
33:39
Speaker 2: When it comes down to the albneasy and escathing new
33:42
Speaker 2: poll today on his performance, Oko bag Look the shocking
33:50
Speaker 2: deception of Queensland voters. Are the Labour's plan pumped hydro
33:53
Speaker 2: scheme a thirty six billion dollar blowout. They did not
33:58
Speaker 2: want you to know about that before the left. I'll
34:00
Speaker 2: tell you about that in a moment, but first, despite
34:02
Speaker 2: Norwegian firm Ecuador and its Australian partner ocean X, just
34:08
Speaker 2: the other week abandon plans to build a massive wind
34:11
Speaker 2: farm off the coast of the Illawarra.
34:12
Speaker 3: This is just south of Sydney.
34:14
Speaker 2: Locals remain concerned that Chris Bowen will push ahead anyway.
34:19
Speaker 3: With his plans.
34:20
Speaker 2: There's been a huge public response to this project, which
34:23
Speaker 2: I've discussed with locals on the program before.
34:26
Speaker 3: Now.
34:26
Speaker 2: Adding to the outcry is a group of six retired
34:30
Speaker 2: engineers who put forward independent analysis warning that the science
34:34
Speaker 2: behind the wind project simply doesn't stack up. These engineers
34:39
Speaker 2: report that the wind farm, which would run from Cronulla
34:43
Speaker 2: to Kayama, would impact household electricity bills and necessitate significant
34:49
Speaker 2: taxpayer subsidies. Their peer reviewed assessment also indicates that floating
34:55
Speaker 2: offshore wind maybe at least four times more expensive than onshore.
34:59
Speaker 3: Wind end and even nuclear.
35:02
Speaker 2: One of the engineers behind the report is Cole Pulter,
35:04
Speaker 2: who's got over forty years of experience specializing in heavy
35:08
Speaker 2: steel fabrication, with specific experience in hostile marine environments. I'm
35:15
Speaker 2: pleased to say Cole joins me now. Cole, as I said,
35:19
Speaker 2: engineering background, you've dealt with these massive.
35:23
Speaker 3: Sort of steel structures before.
35:24
Speaker 2: You know a fair bit about building in the marine environment,
35:28
Speaker 2: which is challenging in itself. What made you come out
35:32
Speaker 2: of retirement to take on this issue and what are
35:34
Speaker 2: your key concerns with Chris Bowen's plan.
35:39
Speaker 1: Good to be with you, Peter, I guess it all
35:42
Speaker 1: started when the community consultation process took place about a
35:45
Speaker 1: year ago and we couldn't find anything about this project.
35:49
Speaker 1: We just knew it was going ahead one thousand square
35:51
Speaker 1: kilometers of huge turbines in the water. So we decided
35:55
Speaker 1: as a community to try and do our own research
35:58
Speaker 1: and we had first look at it very very big concerns.
36:03
Speaker 1: It was high risk to both the environment and engineering
36:07
Speaker 1: wise as well. So we formed a group of engineers
36:10
Speaker 1: and we've got a mixture of civil and electrical and mechanical,
36:13
Speaker 1: all the disciplines you would require to have a good
36:16
Speaker 1: look at this project.
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Speaker 2: Cole, is anyone around the world trying to do something
36:26
Speaker 2: at this scale as Chris Bowen is planning to do
36:30
Speaker 2: off the Yellowora.
36:30
Speaker 1: Coast, well, we'll be the first. We had a good
36:35
Speaker 1: look around. We could only find a grand total of
36:38
Speaker 1: twenty five turbines in the world that are floating. This
36:42
Speaker 1: project alone will have one hundred and ninety three and
36:45
Speaker 1: they will be twice the size of the ones currently
36:48
Speaker 1: in place, and the ones in place are in water
36:50
Speaker 1: about eighty meters deep. The water off the coast of
36:54
Speaker 1: New South Wales is one hundred and thirty five to
36:57
Speaker 1: eight hundred meter steep, so it's quite an engineering challenge
37:02
Speaker 1: that we had a good look at. The biggest one,
37:04
Speaker 1: which is King Kardine in Scotland. It's got a grand
37:08
Speaker 1: total of six turbines, and we managed to get all
37:14
Speaker 1: the accounts, the cost estimates and the actual costs, and
37:17
Speaker 1: we pulled it apart and came up with our own
37:20
Speaker 1: costs estimates. Based upon that, we hard the cost that
37:24
Speaker 1: we found at King Kardeine. Because this project is bigger
37:28
Speaker 1: and there'll be a bit more knowledge about it. But
37:31
Speaker 1: then we had to add in substations that are floating,
37:36
Speaker 1: never been done before, they don't exist yet. King Cardin
37:40
Speaker 1: didn't have any. We had to add in dynamic cables
37:43
Speaker 1: to take the power from the substations to the shore.
37:48
Speaker 1: Those cables don't exist in the size required at the moment.
37:53
Speaker 1: It's got a lot of engineering risks, a lot of
37:55
Speaker 1: things have not yet been developed, and yet we're supposed
37:58
Speaker 1: to be starting construction twenty eight. It just doesn't make sense.
38:05
Speaker 3: So you're not.
38:05
Speaker 2: Surprised that these commercial players have pulled out. And this
38:08
Speaker 2: is why you're saying, even if there are new entrants,
38:12
Speaker 2: it's going to require enormous taxpayer investment to make this
38:17
Speaker 2: thing work, even if it's feasibly technologically possible.
38:22
Speaker 3: Just to make the numbers that up.
38:24
Speaker 1: Well, and then you do will tell you can build anything.
38:28
Speaker 1: It's what it's going to cost as the problem. And
38:32
Speaker 1: when you look at King Kardeine, they've got a subsidy
38:36
Speaker 1: last year of seventy two million dollars a year and
38:42
Speaker 1: they still lost fifty nine million dollars in that year.
38:47
Speaker 1: So the amount of money that's got to be thrown
38:49
Speaker 1: to these projects is just enormous. Now, my big concern
38:53
Speaker 1: is this project as bad as it is financially, it's
38:57
Speaker 1: basically unbankable unless the government throws our money at it
39:03
Speaker 1: to get it up.
39:06
Speaker 2: What about the impact on power prices? Because you also
39:09
Speaker 2: looked at that, tell me what.
39:10
Speaker 1: You found well, because the generation cost of this will
39:14
Speaker 1: be at least four times higher than onshore wind or
39:19
Speaker 1: even nuclear, and your power bill is about a third
39:23
Speaker 1: of it is generation costs. Now, if this power was
39:29
Speaker 1: brought into my power bill in Coiama, my power bill
39:33
Speaker 1: will double. It go from two thousand to four thousand
39:37
Speaker 1: a year overnight if I got all my power from
39:40
Speaker 1: this source.
39:43
Speaker 2: Cole just a quick one because I don't often have
39:45
Speaker 2: an expert with marine construction on the program, and people
39:49
Speaker 2: often ask me, you know what's particular about putting a turbine,
39:53
Speaker 2: a steel turbine in the water in the marine environment
39:56
Speaker 2: that's different on land. Can you explain where there are
39:59
Speaker 2: the extra challenges?
40:01
Speaker 9: Yeah?
40:01
Speaker 1: Certainly off the case of New South Wales, we'll often
40:05
Speaker 1: get those low pressure systems that generate quite big waves.
40:10
Speaker 1: It's not unusual to get a five meter away the
40:12
Speaker 1: Kayama where I live of course the high winds we
40:15
Speaker 1: add one hundred and ten kilometer our winds the other day,
40:18
Speaker 1: and the corrosion. I mean it's a salt water environment.
40:24
Speaker 1: Give you an example in Scotland there was a wind farm,
40:28
Speaker 1: floating wind farm called high Wind. A Norway company built it.
40:33
Speaker 1: They had eight turbines. It was put in in twenty seventeen.
40:37
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty they had to tow every turbine back
40:40
Speaker 1: to Norway because they went working properly, and that's after
40:45
Speaker 1: three years. It's a very aggressive environment and to maintain
40:50
Speaker 1: a project like this, you're going to need to upgrade
40:53
Speaker 1: the port of port. Kembler spent a lot of money there.
40:57
Speaker 1: Need a huge amount of area to bring in all
40:59
Speaker 1: of the turbine blades and the turbines themselves, and you
41:04
Speaker 1: probably need to dredge the harbor because these floating turbines
41:08
Speaker 1: are very deep, very go very deep. To get them
41:11
Speaker 1: in and out. You're going to need a crane on site,
41:14
Speaker 1: maybe two sixty stories high to handle these things. Each
41:21
Speaker 1: blade is longer than the wing tips of a airbars
41:27
Speaker 1: a three eighty from one tip to the other. These
41:29
Speaker 1: are huge machines and they're relying on these things being
41:35
Speaker 1: in place for you know, thirty thirty five years, it
41:38
Speaker 1: won't happen twenty years at best, and in terms of
41:43
Speaker 1: high wind in Scotland three years.
41:47
Speaker 2: Of course, it's great to get an expert on the program. Cole,
41:50
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, Thank you for a little
41:52
Speaker 2: bit of an added explanation. Well, I'll say this to
41:54
Speaker 2: my viewers at home. You heard that from an expert
41:57
Speaker 2: engineer specialized in marine environments. Put that up against what
42:01
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's telling you, and you tell me where you
42:04
Speaker 2: want to spend taxpayer funds right quick break after break,
42:08
Speaker 2: my panel a whole lot to get through that Danny
42:11
Speaker 2: poll today about the Prime Minister's character. I tell you
42:15
Speaker 2: there's some shocking assessments made thereby voters. Daniel Andrews too
42:19
Speaker 2: speaks out after the audio of their twenty thirteen car.
42:22
Speaker 3: Accidents made public.
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Speaker 9: This is the.
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Speaker 3: Triple zero call. I'll play that for you in a moment.
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Speaker 9: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel columnist with the Spectator, Terry
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Speaker 2: Barnes and LMP MP Keith Pitt with Jens Welcome with
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Speaker 2: all the big issues I have to say on the
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Speaker 2: desk of the Home Affairs boss. Today we learn that
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Speaker 2: getting rid of the Australian flag from official photographs was
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Speaker 2: the most urgent Keith I played the grab a little
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Speaker 2: bit earlier. But Stephanie Foster is her name is to
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Speaker 2: deal with her when she was with Prime Minister and cabinet.
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Speaker 2: But we've got an THEYD terror threat in this country
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Speaker 2: and yet her focus is the flag behind the official
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Speaker 2: This is a joke, surely, but.
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Speaker 15: Peter, we continue to see things like schools looking to
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Speaker 15: teach our kids not to be proud of our country.
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Speaker 15: But we see creeping changes like this, and what's wrong
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Speaker 15: with having a formal photo with the flag in the
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Speaker 15: background if your Home affairs? And what comes next is
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Speaker 15: the next thing that they want to take the Australian
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Speaker 15: flag off our soldiers' uniforms, to not fly them at
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Speaker 15: separate sites.
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Speaker 9: I think we should be proud of our flag.
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Speaker 15: We've got Australia coming again and this will be controversial
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Speaker 15: again next January, but there is nothing.
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Speaker 9: Wrong with it whatsoever. Be proud of our country.
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Speaker 2: I've just had peak woke, honestly, Terry, I have had
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Speaker 2: absolutely enough. I've woke and I watched the election of
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Speaker 2: Keby Badnock over the last couple of days by the Tories.
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Speaker 3: This is the fourth female leader and she's a woman.
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Speaker 2: Of color that the Tory Party, the hardline conservative tour
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Speaker 2: Party has elected to lead them, and dear old Labor
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Speaker 2: with its quotas, still have not had a female leader.
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Speaker 2: So this is where I think we all need to
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Speaker 2: say enough Terry, enough.
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Speaker 16: Well, absolutely, did I hear you say that Kenny Badenock
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Speaker 16: was a person of color. I never noticed. What I
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Speaker 16: noticed was that she is a true old fashioned Conservative,
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Speaker 16: a true Tory with that your right to philosophy and beliefs.
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Speaker 16: And that's apparently what the well great portion of Tory
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Speaker 16: Party members think. But I think the British public thinks
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Speaker 16: as well. And look, I think it's going to be
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Speaker 16: a contest of ideas between her and the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 16: Kissed arma and good luck to her. I think she
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Speaker 16: will win it.
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Speaker 2: Right answer to Terry, I like to just be, you know,
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Speaker 2: a good person on Sky News. Don't judge me for
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Speaker 2: being a female, Just judge me for being delivering a
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Speaker 2: good product, delivering a good show.
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Speaker 3: Hey, let's go to that.
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Speaker 2: Poll in the Herald Sun today, a growing number of
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Speaker 2: Australians have told view the Prime Minister. And these are
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Speaker 2: the words used week incompetent and useless. The words attributed
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Speaker 2: to Peter Dutton and Keith Pitt are strong, followed by
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Speaker 2: arrogant and leader.
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Speaker 3: I know which ones I prefer. What do you think?
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Speaker 15: Well, as the time, the country does need strength, Peter.
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Speaker 15: We've got all of these challenges around the world in
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Speaker 15: terms of changing order around the world, whether it's with
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Speaker 15: the US, whether it's China or elsewhere. Australia needs to
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Speaker 15: be strong in those situations. And Peter Dutton is a
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Speaker 15: strong leader. There is no doubt about that whatsoever. If
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Speaker 15: you look at the popularity contest made, it doesn't matter
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Speaker 15: where you start, because we saw this with Kevin Rudd,
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Speaker 15: and we saw it with Malcolm Turmol everyone else that
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Speaker 15: was super popular.
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Speaker 9: They eventually fall off the cliff and.
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Speaker 15: They fall down the scale and the Bob worked them out.
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Speaker 15: And that's happening right now for the Federal Labor government.
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Speaker 2: Let's go down to Victoria Terry in that car crash
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Speaker 2: car accident involving a young man and Daniel and Andrews
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Speaker 2: and Daniel Andrew's wife in twenty thirteen, continues to dog
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Speaker 2: the former premiere audio from the Triple zero call made
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Speaker 2: at the time has now been made public. We hadn't
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Speaker 2: heard that before he made previous statements. This is the
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Speaker 2: premiere that the young man had t boned his car.
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Speaker 2: But that's not what the audio says. I think we've
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Speaker 2: got a clip of it there. Let's play that clip
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Speaker 2: if we can.
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Speaker 6: Happened.
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Speaker 4: So we've turned right into history and he's.
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Speaker 9: Come flying through on the by path and.
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Speaker 13: He's a a.
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Speaker 12: Stream.
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Speaker 3: Okay, well we've hit him, he clearly says. They're on
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Speaker 3: the audio.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of conjecture about why it's taken over
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Speaker 2: ten years for that audio to be made public. There
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Speaker 2: are calls, of course for the police to now reopen
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Speaker 2: this case.
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Speaker 3: Terry, what do you make of it?
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Speaker 16: Well, certainly, I think Daniel Andrews and Missus Andrews have
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Speaker 16: said in a statement that it vindicates what they've said
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Speaker 16: about their role in this all along. But all it
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Speaker 16: says is that they called Triple O and did the
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Speaker 16: right thing when they hit the boy. Beyond that, I
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Speaker 16: think it's still a question of he said they said,
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Speaker 16: isn't it? And really I think there are questions though,
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Speaker 16: in terms of what we know about the facts of
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Speaker 16: this very sad and tragic story about the premier, or
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Speaker 16: the soon to be premier in this case, his response
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Speaker 16: and how he reacted, and what his priorities were, which
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Speaker 16: seemed from what we know, to be focusing on protecting
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Speaker 16: his family once he knew that the boy was being
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Speaker 16: looked after by ambulance people. So I just think there
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Speaker 16: is a test of character and all of this, and
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Speaker 16: there are questions of character that I don't think have
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Speaker 16: gone away as a result of releasing this, this triple.
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Speaker 3: O phone call.
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Speaker 2: And proper police processes, because almost every process that police
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Speaker 2: would normally use in a case like this, we're thrown
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Speaker 2: out the window. Let's go to that treasury modeling, secret modeling,
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Speaker 2: now very public, embarrassingly public.
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Speaker 3: I have to say, Keith for Labor, they had.
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Speaker 2: A controversial pumped hydro scheme that we only find out
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Speaker 2: after the election result would have cost Queenslanders a massive
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Speaker 2: thirty six billion dollars.
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Speaker 3: By the time it got up and running.
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Speaker 2: It's of course been scrapped, but I mean, geez, his
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Speaker 2: taxpayers came close.
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Speaker 15: Peter, never forget that this is still the desktop level.
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Speaker 15: This is without the CFMEAU text this is without proper
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Speaker 15: and full costings.
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Speaker 9: This is without going to the market.
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Speaker 15: It could be much much worse than that, and I
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Speaker 15: think there's still more questions to answer. If you look
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Speaker 15: at the proposed Barumba pump tydro which is near GIMPI,
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Speaker 15: I expect you'll get the same results there. It will
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Speaker 15: be an extraordinary amount of money for not that much
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Speaker 15: generation capacity. It's two thousand megawats that runs for two
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Speaker 15: hours a ten hours, sorry for ten hours.
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Speaker 9: So we've got to make sure that firstly.
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Speaker 15: The taxpayer gets value for money, and secondly that it
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Speaker 15: will work and it doesn't cost a fortune. No one
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Speaker 15: can afford to pay more for power, particularly in Coinsland.
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Speaker 15: You've got the youngest Cole fleet in the country.
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Speaker 9: Let's use them.
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Speaker 3: Jens.
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Speaker 2: We're about to go to Andrew Bolt now, but one
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Speaker 2: word from both of you, Trump or Harris Terry Barnes.
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Speaker 16: I can't say.
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Speaker 3: I can't say.
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Speaker 16: I think it's going to be so close.
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Speaker 15: Hopefully Trump pete up strong. I'm hoping for Trump. We
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Speaker 15: need a strong leader in the US.
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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll leave it there, Thanks, Jen, So tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: all right, see you tomorrow night too.
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Speaker 3: Here's Andrew