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Trump Declares Iran Ceasefire 'Over' as Platner Goes Dark · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Hewett on this Wednesday. Boy, what a day full of news.
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  Speaker 1: But the biggest news is the fact that we pounded
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  Speaker 1: around last night and President Trump and Turkey today said
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  Speaker 1: there may be more tonight talk about this development. I'm
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  Speaker 1: joined by Walter Russell meet. Walter is the author of
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  Speaker 1: The Ark of the Covenant. He is the dean of
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  Speaker 1: American Foreign Policy Analysts. You may read him in the
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  Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. He's a Hudson Institute scholar. Walter, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of what has happened in the
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  Speaker 1: last twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not a huge surprise.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the the Iranians have never really bought into
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  Speaker 3: any of the important ideas in the MoU that straight
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  Speaker 3: and foremost would stay open, that they wouldn't build a
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  Speaker 3: nuclear weapon that they would give up on supporting Hezbollah
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  Speaker 3: in Lebanon, and the United States isn't willing to accept
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  Speaker 3: the Iranian veto, So we're in a sticky situation. I
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  Speaker 3: think the President may have done the right thing.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Walter, the President said, maybe we do it tonight,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we don't. He's not sure we're going to go
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  Speaker 1: back to the full scale war. Do you see anything
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  Speaker 1: short of a d basically a dysfunctional regime ending, meaning
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  Speaker 1: we take out the dual use power plants, we take
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  Speaker 1: out the dual use bridges, we take out any dual
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  Speaker 1: use infrastructure, and really bring the pain to the regime.
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  Speaker 1: Anything short of that going to change their behavior?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I think President Trump is calculating a lot of different things.
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  Speaker 3: Probably what you're saying is true in that nothing short
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  Speaker 3: of that is going to move the regime. But I
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  Speaker 3: think that Trump is also hoping that economic pressure will
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  Speaker 3: gradually force the regime to realize how much weaker it
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  Speaker 3: is than it would like to be. So we're you know,
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  Speaker 3: so the Iranian oil is back under the sanctions, and
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  Speaker 3: the US in effect is asserting a right to blockade
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  Speaker 3: Iranian oil even while it keeps the straight open for
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  Speaker 3: everybody else. That may force the or that will force
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  Speaker 3: at least some people in Iran to think about maybe
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  Speaker 3: a compromise. But President Trump is not, I think, looking
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  Speaker 3: to escalate to a crisis if he.
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  Speaker 2: Can help it.
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  Speaker 3: But he knows that that Iranian in transigence will ultimately
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  Speaker 3: leave him with very few choices.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Walter, when you saw the funeral of Hamenia, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you saw the same thing I did, and the
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  Speaker 1: President remarked on it. Today they've got him marked for assassination.
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  Speaker 1: They've got our friend Mark Duitz from the Foundation with
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  Speaker 1: the defensive democracies marked for assassinate. They got a whole
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You might have been in the parade, who knows. We
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  Speaker 1: didn't see the whole parade. What do you make a
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  Speaker 1: regime that allows that? Not a regime that you can
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  Speaker 1: trust no matter what they sign, is it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: And this has been America's problem since nineteen seventy nine.
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  Speaker 3: We actually want good relations from Iran. With Iran, we
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  Speaker 3: don't really as a nation. It's not our business to
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  Speaker 3: tell Iran what kind of government, but we want good relations.
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  Speaker 3: Iran does not want good relations with us. That I
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  Speaker 3: think is the key to the whole problem.
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  Speaker 1: Now, yesterday I had on Ready Gore, and he's been
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  Speaker 1: on a lot. He makes a study of Mktala, the
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  Speaker 1: martyrdom theology of Iran. Do you agree with the assessment
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  Speaker 1: that their theology and their fanatical attachment to it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really allow them to change their behavior unless they repudiate
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  Speaker 1: their theology, which is a difficult thing for regime that
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  Speaker 1: sacrificed millions of people in the Iraq Iran War and
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  Speaker 1: the forty seven years since.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 3: It is in their theology, and yes, it's hard to change.
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  Speaker 3: I'll note that we saw after the death of Stalin
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  Speaker 3: the Soviet Union de stalinized, and other countries have kind
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  Speaker 3: of slithered away from things that we thought were eternal.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't rule out the possibility that at some
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  Speaker 3: point you could see in Iran some people who were
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  Speaker 3: still kind of using the old slogans and the old ideas,
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  Speaker 3: but we're interpreting them differently. But we're not there, and
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  Speaker 3: we're not close to there. I'm not saying this is gonna,
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  Speaker 3: you know, save us from the current crisis, but are
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  Speaker 3: there are possibilities. I just think too many American presidents
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  Speaker 3: have been kind of ensourcelled and believed that the moderates
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  Speaker 3: were about to emerge and change everything, when in fact
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  Speaker 3: they weren't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a believer. They were booing Arachi at
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  Speaker 1: the funeral, so that kind of tells me where the
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  Speaker 1: true believers are. Let me ask you about two distinct
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  Speaker 1: issues that I don't know enough about. I know that
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  Speaker 1: UAE and Saudi Arabia figured out we need pipelines. We
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  Speaker 1: need more pipelines. I don't know how long it takes
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  Speaker 1: to build them. I don't know if they're underway in
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  Speaker 1: your omniscient view of the Middle East, and I do
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  Speaker 1: think it is omniscient. Are there bigger and better pipelines
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  Speaker 1: under construction as we speak they.
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  Speaker 3: Are well under construction. Certainly they're moving the pieces to
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  Speaker 3: get them going. I would not overestimate how much they
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  Speaker 3: would change things, though. You know, if Ukraine can destroy
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  Speaker 3: Russian oil refineries at a distance of twenty five hundred kilometers,
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  Speaker 3: then I think Iran could could make trouble for pipelines
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  Speaker 3: in the desert.
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  Speaker 2: So we are you know.
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  Speaker 3: This is this will help, but it does not fundamentally
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  Speaker 3: change the problem that that geography really is a sore
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  Speaker 3: spot in world politics.
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  Speaker 4: That's very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that Iran has the capacity to innovate
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  Speaker 1: the way Ukraine has innovated. There's a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: going on in Ukraine. One, it's an existential they're going
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  Speaker 1: to go away if they don't beat Putin, they'll be
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  Speaker 1: absorbed and killed. Number Two, they've got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: an advantage in terms of their economy to begin with.
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  Speaker 1: They might be corrupt, but it certainly is open to
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  Speaker 1: making money. I'm not sure that's the case with the
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  Speaker 1: IRGC taking ninety percent of everything. Do you think the
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  Speaker 1: Iran can innovate the way Ukraine has?
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say at the same level, But let's not
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  Speaker 3: forget that the Russians have been buying Iranian drones and
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  Speaker 3: Iranian design drones. So Iran has definitely moved up the
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  Speaker 3: learning curve here. And again, look at North Korea. It's
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  Speaker 3: a lot poorer than Iran, but it has focused its
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  Speaker 3: energies on its nuclear deterrent actually been very successful.
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  Speaker 1: So now we turn to the American naval posture. We
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  Speaker 1: kept the blockade forces there. I don't know if the
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  Speaker 1: blockade is back, the sanctions are back, and I do
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  Speaker 1: think that the danger to our ships is back from
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  Speaker 1: what you've seen. Do the Iranians have the capacity to
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  Speaker 1: threaten the fleet in any significant way.
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  Speaker 3: It depends on what the fleet is doing. If the
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  Speaker 3: fleet wants to do very close operations offshore and in
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  Speaker 3: the Gulf, you do get some risk.
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  Speaker 2: It's this is this is just a fact of life.
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  Speaker 3: But further out, you know, the US can blockade Iranian
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  Speaker 3: commerce in and out of the Strait without at this
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  Speaker 3: point coming into real range of what the Iranians can
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  Speaker 3: throw against it. So so it's a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: a standoff. We would have to be willing to accept
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  Speaker 3: risk and casualties to go right in there. But on
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  Speaker 3: the other hand, we can do a lot from a distance.
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  Speaker 1: Walter Russell Mead, a commander in the Navy, died this week.
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  Speaker 1: A helicopter went down. His body was recovered today, reminding us,
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  Speaker 1: of course that's the fourteenth casualty of this war. But
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  Speaker 1: it also reminded me of the Saronic automated boat. They
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  Speaker 1: went and got the tu Apache pilots and returned them
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  Speaker 1: safely to their ship. That Saronic boat has stuck in
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  Speaker 1: my mind. What's that appearance tell you about the future warfare?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it says the same thing we're seeing in
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  Speaker 3: the Black Sea, where Ukraine doesn't really have a navy
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  Speaker 3: to speak of, but between sea drones and aerial drones,
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  Speaker 3: they've been able to bottle the Russian Black Sea fleet
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  Speaker 3: up in port and even force it out of Savastopol
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  Speaker 3: back farther east. This is, I think, something that China
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  Speaker 3: has to be thinking about when it thinks about its
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  Speaker 3: chances of a sixth tesful invasion of Taiwan. When I
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  Speaker 3: was in Ukraine, I talked to a metic who said
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  Speaker 3: that he has not treated a bullet wound in five months.
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  Speaker 2: It's all drones on the front.
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  Speaker 3: So the change in war is happening both by land
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  Speaker 3: and by sea. Obviously it's happening by air, and it's
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  Speaker 3: happening a lot faster than I think just about any
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  Speaker 3: of us have realized.
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  Speaker 1: Now my last question, I mentioned your wonderful book, The
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  Speaker 1: Ark of the Covenant, the History of American Israel relations.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if Israel wants to get back into
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  Speaker 1: the fight or doesn't want to get back into the fight,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know if we want them back in
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  Speaker 1: the fight or don't want them back in the fight.
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  Speaker 1: What does Walter Russell Meade think about that? Four square box?
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  Speaker 3: I think probably right now it's best if they stay
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  Speaker 3: out of the direct combat with Iran. But on the
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  Speaker 3: other hand, having the Israeli pressure on Lebanon and on
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  Speaker 3: pushing Lebanon to disarm getting the agreement with Lebanon thanks
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  Speaker 3: to the Trump administration to disarm Hesbelah is very important.
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  Speaker 3: So I would say the Israelis have their lane and
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  Speaker 3: we have our lane, and maybe we should both do
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  Speaker 3: our best to drive in our own lanes for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Well said, as always, Walter Russell Mead from the Husband Institute,
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  Speaker 1: author most recently of the Arc of the Covenant, Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for joining me on the resumption of combat with Iran.
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  Speaker 1: No better person to talk to than Walter Russell Mead.
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  Speaker 1: Followim on exit w R. Mead, read him in the
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  Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, and stay tuned for the.
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  Speaker 5: Uk AT show.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Back America and I'm here Hewett Ben Dominic showing
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  Speaker 1: up a couple of days early. Ben, of course opinion
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  Speaker 1: editor at the Daily Wire. He's also a Fox News
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  Speaker 1: contributor the host of the Big Ben podcast, which will
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  Speaker 1: drop tomorrow. Ben, You've got to follow Walter Russel me,
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  Speaker 1: which really isn't fair. Last night I was on handity,
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  Speaker 1: I had to follow up Senator Kennedy, which is also
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  Speaker 1: not fair. So I'm not going to make you talk
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  Speaker 1: about Iran first. I'm going to talk about Graham Plattner
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  Speaker 1: with you first. If Graham Plattner adopts the Hunter Biden model,
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  Speaker 1: what does.
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  Speaker 4: He do.
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  Speaker 6: Well you? First off, I would appreciate. I just have
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  Speaker 6: to express my appreciation for having the who walk in
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  Speaker 6: music still, even though I know it yours, it's your
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  Speaker 6: thanks Swayne.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 6: The thing that is sticking out to me about this
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  Speaker 6: whole situation and I realized, we've seen the reports, We've
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  Speaker 6: seen the people saying, oh, they're people who are going
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  Speaker 6: to be managing him dropping out, and he wants to
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  Speaker 6: have input on this, and he wants to why why
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  Speaker 6: would he drop out? What leverage do they have over him?
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  Speaker 6: At this point, he is the standing nominee for this position,
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  Speaker 6: and he is going to be in a position to
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  Speaker 6: have a jump ball game for a US Senate seat
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  Speaker 6: in a wave year in a blue state, and at
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  Speaker 6: least according to the private polling that I'm familiar with,
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  Speaker 6: he is a single digit down. And that's with an
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  Speaker 6: optimistic scenario. In fact, there's some versions of it. It's
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  Speaker 6: a Democrat turnout is higher than normal, where he's still up.
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  Speaker 6: Why would he drop out? What isn't a lesson from
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  Speaker 6: the last you know a couple of decades that you
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  Speaker 6: don't drop out, that you refuse to bow to the
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  Speaker 6: democratic establishment that you turn it into they are trying
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  Speaker 6: to get rid of me because of the beliefs that
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  Speaker 6: I have. They're in conflict with them. You wrap yourself
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  Speaker 6: in your progressivism, and you know, even if you've been
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  Speaker 6: rejected by various you know, people who describe themselves as such,
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  Speaker 6: you basically, you know, raise a middle finger to Rocanna
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  Speaker 6: and Chuck Schumer and you say, no, I'm staying in this.
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  Speaker 6: I'm fighting for Maine. And I think that that's the
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  Speaker 6: kind of scenario that people are dramatically underestimate. Maybe he
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  Speaker 6: still can get pushed out because you know, deep down,
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  Speaker 6: we know he's not somebody who is you know, necessarily
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  Speaker 6: from the you know the world that would fight back
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  Speaker 6: against us that same way that the actual outsider world
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  Speaker 6: he's kind of a fake outsider. I think though, that
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  Speaker 6: there is no real leverage against him. And if he
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  Speaker 6: stands up and says I'm not getting out, I'm fighting.
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  Speaker 6: If he does the scene from from Wolf of Wall
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  Speaker 6: Street and he says, you know I'm not coming, you
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  Speaker 6: know I'm not leaving, I think that. I think the
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  Speaker 6: progressives will just come back to him and they'll make
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  Speaker 6: a rat and they'll have a rationale for how they
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  Speaker 6: can support him. They'll say he's being railroaded. They'll come
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  Speaker 6: up with some excuses for why, and ultimately, you know,
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  Speaker 6: all they care about his victory. And I just I
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  Speaker 6: see this situation as being very different from the way
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  Speaker 6: that it's being depicted in the traditional media.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of things I haven't been brought up yet.
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  Speaker 1: Number One, he can use the Brett Kavanaugh card against
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  Speaker 1: Susan Collins. He will walk out and say Susan Collins
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  Speaker 1: voted for Brett ca and on, and there was a
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  Speaker 1: far worse set of facts. It wasn't a far worse
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  Speaker 1: set of faction with no facts, of course, he can
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  Speaker 1: say it was a worse set of fact. And number two,
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  Speaker 1: there's got to be some producer because hunter Biden found
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  Speaker 1: someone who thought he could do a podcast and make money.
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  Speaker 1: Someone's got to be whispering in his eye. If you
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  Speaker 1: do a podcast every three days between now and November,
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  Speaker 1: you have millions of people, and you'll keep part of
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  Speaker 1: that audience, and we can find people who will advertise
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  Speaker 1: on that. Moreover, you old life and death over hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of candidates across the United States. You can go on
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  Speaker 1: a rampick. You know, if Caesar had survived, what would
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  Speaker 1: he have done to Brutus and everybody else?
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  Speaker 4: Right? If he gotten around what you have done?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, and also is huge to that point, what
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  Speaker 6: does he have the career look like? If he drops
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  Speaker 6: out right now and disgrace it's we know, you know, look,
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  Speaker 6: history is full of flawed candidates who have been you know,
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  Speaker 6: tugged over the finished line by various cycles. There's always
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  Speaker 6: people who win in wave cycles who don't deserve to win,
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  Speaker 6: or who made mistakes that you know, deserve where they
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  Speaker 6: deserve to fail, and they still pull it off. Susan
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  Speaker 6: Collins has been in that position for thirty years. She's
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  Speaker 6: a very you know, effective representative of Maine. She's sent
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  Speaker 6: tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars
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  Speaker 6: over the years back to the state. The problem is,
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  Speaker 6: though she's quite old, it's hard for her to campaign
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  Speaker 6: with the same kind of energy that somebody like Platiner can.
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  Speaker 6: And he can basically go on a barnstorming tour and
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  Speaker 6: even if he ends up losing, just to your point,
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  Speaker 6: he will have built an audience and a group of
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  Speaker 6: people who view him in some way as a martyr,
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  Speaker 6: even if that is completely false, they will view him
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  Speaker 6: that way, and that is the basis for whatever his
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  Speaker 6: next act is. And I think that people are dramatically
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  Speaker 6: underestimating that as a real possibility. Maybe he'll still get
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  Speaker 6: pushed out. Maybe this is all you know moot, and
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  Speaker 6: he's gonna and he's a goner. I don't actually believe
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  Speaker 6: that's the case. And the reason is I've seen this
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  Speaker 6: time and again. Now. The lesson that a lot of
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  Speaker 6: Democrats took away from the al Franken experience was that
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  Speaker 6: he gave up too early, and that he should have
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  Speaker 6: just stayed and fought and refused to step down, and
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  Speaker 6: that if he had done so, he would still be
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  Speaker 6: a senator today.
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  Speaker 1: Now the observation it's not original to be. You might
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  Speaker 1: have made it, Guy Benson might have made it. Someone
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  Speaker 1: in Virginia made it. Jay Jones did not get out. Now,
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  Speaker 1: rape is bad. It's worse than threatening people with murder
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  Speaker 1: and wishing murder on their children. It's much worse than that.
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  Speaker 1: But Jay Jones gave him the bird and he won
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  Speaker 1: because of the year he was in.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, exactly. And that's the thing that I think people
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  Speaker 6: are underestimating about this. The cycle is what matters. That
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  Speaker 6: the nationalization of this race and the Kavanaugh point, by
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  Speaker 6: the way, to that is something that I think, you know,
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  Speaker 6: Plattner had always planned to do, and Democrats had always
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  Speaker 6: planned to do with Collins, this time to hammer her
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  Speaker 6: for the handful of occasions where she has stuck her
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  Speaker 6: neck out for President Trump, understanding that even Trump's endorsement
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  Speaker 6: doesn't really help her in nine. By the way, the
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  Speaker 6: reverse of this situation is in Texas, where you know,
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  Speaker 6: somebody like Ken Paxon, an incredibly flawed candidate, is also
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  Speaker 6: somebody who can count on the fact that with when
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  Speaker 6: Trump comes in, when he tells people to back him,
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  Speaker 6: it actually benefits him, and that Republicans are very, very
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  Speaker 6: invested in beating James Talla Erico. This is a situation
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  Speaker 6: in Maine where I think that people do not understand
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  Speaker 6: the degree to which Platner actually still has a shot.
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  Speaker 6: It's very real. And for him to sort of look
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  Speaker 6: at the situation here and say again, and just to
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  Speaker 6: circle back, the only reason that Democrats are saying lining
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  Speaker 6: up and all saying he has to get out right now,
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  Speaker 6: the podse Bros, everybody else. The only reason they're saying
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  Speaker 6: that is because they look at the polling trajectory and
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  Speaker 6: they assume that he's going to keep just going down.
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  Speaker 6: And that's something that I think. You know, if you're
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  Speaker 6: part of that campaign, you don't necessarily accept that as gospel.
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  Speaker 6: You say, hey, this is baked in. Also, it's the summer. Also,
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: we have months to recover from this. Also, you know,
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: we could have a situation where, you know, this is
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: such a wave again that it could carry a lot
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: of flawed candidates over the finish line.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Ben, I think the last thing Sanan told me before
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: one debate in twenty sixteen was don't bring up a
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Seinfeld reference. Nobody gets it. I'm about to bring up
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a Seinfeld reference. Do you remember the episode about the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: switcheroo where Jerry wanted to switch dating the roommate. So
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the question here is if we go what does Morris
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Katz do here? Does he do a switcheroo or does
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: he stick with his man?
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think I do not think the
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: switcheroo is the right way to go here. I realize
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: that's been a you know, the the way that people
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: have been predicting this. But you know, part of this,
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: to you, I just have to say, we were in
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: a different era than we were, you know, even a
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: few years when it comes to the attitude that people
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: have towards these types of allegations. And the truth is
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: that for all these democrats who said believe all women,
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: they've now kind of gone in the reverse direction. And
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: it's and it's very it is very troublesome to see
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: on a certain level because now it's like you've gone
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: too far, You're doing the opposite.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: All right, stand by Part two of the Switcherroot discussion
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: off air. I'll be back to talking to Ron with
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Ben after the break. I'm hu Kira back with Ben
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Dominic talking about Graham Plattner. Here the part two of
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the Switcher Root. Ben We've had the BRUTUS Caucus, the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: British and CASHUS Caucus, plunge knives into Grand Platner, and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's ro Kane, it's Bernie Sanders, it's Elizabeth Lauren,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: it's everybody except she Tories in AOC and John Fetterman,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: who didn't endorse him in the first place.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: If he stays in, can they do the switcheroot back?
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Of course they can and the media and the media
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: will help them do it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: Can't you envision this piece in the New York Times,
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: and you know, a couple of months, Grand Platner looking
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: out of a window, you know, looking very pensive, you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: and you know he's dealt with the problems in his past.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: He has no memory of these acts that these horrible
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: acts that he's accused of. He's a reformed man and
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: he's ready to represent Nane. He's ready, ready to represent
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: that working class that he comes from. By the way,
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: you know, Hugh Hewitt, as a as a guy born
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: in Jackson, Mississippi, who dropped out of college I've just offended,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: would try to convince people the Grand Platiner is working class.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: You know, it's just absurd. It's just it's offensive, you know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: to take the other side Feld reference. You take that personally, No,
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: I took that personally as a comedian. It's one of
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: these things where you look at this guy and you
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: see it. You see someone who is just a complete fraud.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: He is not even a real oyster farm, even that
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: with the way that they branded him. I do not think, though,
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: that Democrats have any kind of willingness to look in
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: the mirror and say, you know what, I just can't
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: back this guy. It's a bridge too far. I think
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: that they will ultimately line up behind him, and if
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: they think that he has a shot to win, none
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: of these people will be looking at They'll say, you
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: know what, and now he's going to be a great center.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so then next question has got nothing to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: it anting the Seinfeld rule that's an imposed on me.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think it operates. I think everybody knows every
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: episode of Sign Thought, Am I right?
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: I think it's one of the last shows that is
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: absolutely ubiquitous. I mean I think everybody knows that, and
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: in fact that I know it because you know, at
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: that time, you know, there was such a limited number
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: of networks. Look, you know, I think I thus you could.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: I think you could absolutely go on here and especially
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: on Fox and say it was an angry sea that day,
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: my friend. Look, there is no no, don't look.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: The postage stamps, don't look the envelopes yet, and there
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: are things you can get away.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Sorry, stand by Ben.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and be very serious because it's
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: war again.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Part two.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Ben Domach will be right here. Stay tuned, America.
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: They'll never build a nuclear weapon under our deal. But
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: I don't know if we're gonna have a deal. We
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: may just do it without a deal, because you know what,
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: it's easier because these people they lie and they cheat,
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: and you have an agreement and they'll go outside. For instance,
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: they agreed, well we'll never have a nuclear weapon. They agreed,
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: then they go outside that have a news conference where
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: they leak that we never discuss the subject. Now, who
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: would believe we never discussed the subject because for me,
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: that's ninety nine point nine percent of what we're doing.
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: It's denuclearization of Iran. Okay, So when you ask our
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: guys can continue. You know, Steve is great and Jared
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: and all the guys, they know him very well. You
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: actually they're what king of your stuff too, which I
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: picked two beauties, you know what, we settled eight wars.
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: I got a couple of beauties here. But Steve's great
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: and Jared's greg. You know, they're the right guys.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens.
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: But I will say this, Iran, they'd misbehaved for forty
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: seven years. They've killed our soldiers, they've killed our people,
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: and they've killed a lot of people all over the
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: Middle East and elsewhere. And the road side bomb was
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: they preferred. You know, the preferred weapon was by Salomoni,
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: the road side bomb where it would explode under a truck.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: We actually built trucks with.
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: Fours steel that's thick. And then all they did was
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: they made bigger bombs. And we have young guys around
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: not walking around because they have no legs. But their
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: legs were blown off, their arms were blown off, their
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: face was blown off, and they lived because of modern
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: medicine can do anything.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: But they're living. They're living like in hell.
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: The whole life changed because of Iran. And that was
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: ninety six percent of the people that use that. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: they were made in a row.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: And so we have a score to set.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: We have a score to settle, Ben Dominich's on the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Huguitt Show. Ben, I played that because I think the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: president is internalizing a deep hatred for Iran and it's
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: going to come out.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: I agree with that, Hugh. And I also think that
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: there's another element of this that we should appreciate, which
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: is that from the beginning, and you and I have
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: discussed this, the President seemed to be, almost in terms
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: of his cabinet and his administration, the most skeptical about
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: this deal working out. He seemed to express the most
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: view of sort of, we know who the Iranians are,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: we'll see if it works. Maybe it'll work, Maybe I'll
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: be bombing them again in a week. You know. He
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: was saying that kind of thing from the get go,
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: which is another reason why I felt it was so unfair.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: You know, not just of the Vice president, but of
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: other members of this administration have this attitude about this
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: MoU that basically said, if you're criticizing the MLU, you're
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: criticizing the president, you're criticizing America first, et cetera, et cetera.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: I don't think that's true at all, I think the
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: President was actually pretty skeptical from the get go about
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: this working out, because he knows history, because he knows
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: the kind of things that he just said there, because
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: he's paid attention over the years to the way that
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: the Iranians have acted, and because he does not have
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: this naivete which is built in and was obviously the
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: major point of criticism that you could level at the
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: Obama administration with their ridiculous jcpoa that has animated foreign
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: policy and the foreign policy blob in Washington for so long,
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: about the way that we could deal with Iran. We
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: can't deal with them. And by the way, one of
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: the lines that he said there about maybe we'll do
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: this without a deal, no deal at this point I
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: truly believe would actually be better than the deal that
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: has been drafted. No deal is better than the deal
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: that has been proposed. It really is something that I
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: think we need to wrap our heads around, you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: as a people, which is that there is no situation
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: here where they should benefit from what has gone on,
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: what they intend to do, what they are clearly intentionally
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: still doing, They should not benefit from that in any way.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: And even if the money isn't coming from American taxpayers.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: They stand to benefit under this current MoU which I
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: think you can just throw in the trash. At this point,
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: it's done, it's over. It ceasefire is over. And whether
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: the President decides to walk away or whether he decides
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: to step up the bombing, either way, I think that
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: this is this is a situation where we are moving
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: on from that stage of this conflict.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: We have all talked, we have talking you about that.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think there is a deal. I think it
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: was always just a halftime. Yeah, and they're going to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: come back.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: If you were you were always from from day one,
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: you were saying, this is a punt.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: There's a pot, and so we got one that Ben.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Does it go full kinetic again with or without Israel?
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: I think that. I think, at least in the short term,
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: it does. I feel like this is the kind of
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: situation where we're going to see a lot of things
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: explode very quickly and then maybe go quiet. And that's
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: something that the President, I think, you know, almost dipped
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: his hand on today. You know, he made a lot
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: of news today, and a lot of it I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: was him feeling vindicated about his perspective on the worldly
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: honoring his perspective, you know, calling them loco, you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: going after Spain rightly, by the way, I says, as
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: someone who wishes Spain with a lot better. You know,
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: his view on NATO, et cetera. I think he feels
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: vindicated about his view of the world.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Oh very well, and we're going to be playing a
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: lot of that audio an hour two today. Ben Dobnik,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: thanks for coming in a couple of days early. Follow
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Ben on ed should be dominic, create everything that he's
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: editing over at the Daily Wire, and see him on
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Fox News and listen to the Big Ben podcast.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Take tu to Huefield, Welcome back America.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Sarah C.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Bedford as they call himist and in a longtime reporter
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: with the Washington Examiner.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: You can follow he'r on x at Sarah C.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Bedford Sarah, two prominent Democrats did not get anywhere near
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Graham Platner. One of them is AOC and the other
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: is Ram Emmanuel, the former mayor of Chicago, the former
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: ambassador of Japan, was in Israel today, gave a long
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: speech telling Israel how they had they clean up their act.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Then Any went on Channel twelve and said quote Israel
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: does not have a problem with the Democratic Party. Israel
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: has a problem in America. What do you think about
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Ram Emmanuel after the meltdown of Graham Platner taking this
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: third way? Does it work.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: I think it's really interesting because a lot of Democrats
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: they're either really far to the left on the issue
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: of Israel, you know, using language like calling Israel genocidal
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: and siding with the Palestinians and really radical on the issue,
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: or they don't want to touch it if they're establishment Democrats,
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: they're afraid of angering where right now all the energy
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: is and the activist wing of the Democratic Party. So
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: for Rob and Manuel, who we know has presidential ambitions.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: To come out and sort of outline.
• 29:20
  Speaker 9: This middle ground that addresses the issue while leaving the
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: door closed to anti Semitism and radical views on this
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: issue is really interesting.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: And you mentioned the AOC didn't get near Graham Platiner.
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: That's so fascinating to me because she was one of
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: the last people standing defending Joe Biden. She's really worked
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: to align herself with the establishment, and the whole establishment
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: was behind Graham Platner. But for whatever reason, AOC she's
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: got great political instincts to say nothing of her worldview
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: was smart.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Enough not to get on the grand Platiner train here.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Now, I've talked about AOC with President Trump on this program.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I use the word she'd got sparkle, and he says, yes,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: sheh got real charisma. But can she do an interview?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And you know Ron Emmanuel can kill the interviewer without
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: using a blade. Do you think AOC can do the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: same thing?
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: No, not necessarily.
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: I think she's got a bit of the Kamala Harris
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: word salad problem, where sometimes.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Her hunts don't quite come out coherent to a normal person.
• 30:22
  Speaker 9: She would probably struggle to connect with swing voters, and
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: not just because of her policies, because the way she
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: speaks is really wrapped in this activist, academic language where
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: it's just not really all of that doesn't resonate.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: With your average swing voter Sorr. I think she'll struggle there.
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: I can't remember the exact forum, but it was recently
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: within the past year that she made this big foreign
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: policy debut at an international conference, and she really wasn't
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: able to articulate any clear answers to pretty basic foreign
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: policy questions.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: So it's not clear that she's totally ready for prime time,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: but it is clear that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: She's positioning herself potentially for twenty twenty eight.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: So our colleague Byron York at The Examiner wrote this
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: earlier today, switching over to Grand Platner. Fully, of course,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Graham Platner is going to wait a few days to
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: do anything. The air on fire moment is the worst
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: time to make a big decision. See how this plays
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: out after the initial panning. Meanwhile, Platner can go through
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the charade of trying to ensure that the next Senate
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: nominee will be true to mains progressive values, and then,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: after much thought and reflection, decide that the best nominee
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to protect mains progressive values is here, is truly Grand Platner?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: And what about all the inducements and or threats he
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: will surely receive, And usually such things involve money and jobs.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: But remember that Platter lives on one hundred percent via
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: disability and help from his mother. He'll keep those things
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: no matter what. It seems unlikely that you'll never eat
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: lunch in this town. Again, threat works on him. So
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Platner has till five pm on Monday to decide of
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: course he doesn't have to do anything. Maybe he'll withdraw,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: but it seems like there's a non zero chance he'll
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: stay in. I'm using the same language. There's a non
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: zero chance he will win, actually, Sarah Bedford.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: So does he get out?
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: You know, he has every incentive not to right.
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: His reputation right now is presumably at a low point.
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: I mean, we don't know what else is in the
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: chamber in terms of opposition research.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: It could get worse.
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: It could always get worse, but right now is probably
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: the most intense scrutiny and pressure.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: He'll ever be under.
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: There was a lot of Democrats who were celebrating on
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: Twitter last night when the executive director of the State
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: Party came out and said, you know, Graham Plattner is
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: calling us trying to put him on the scale of
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: what the nomination process will look like after he withdraws,
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: And I told him, you have no leverage here. You
• 32:35
  Speaker 9: can't tell us what to do. Grand platter actually has
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: all the leverage. He does not have to step down.
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: It is his decision alone, and he only has to
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: withstand what five more days of pressure, and then he's
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: on the other side of a procedural hurdle that Democrats
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: can't overcome. So the way that he's being treated by
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: the State Party and other Democrats, I don't think that
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: reflects the reality of the situation where Graham Plattner could
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: very well hang on to that nomination and put Democrats
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: in a horrible position of walking away from a key
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: pickup opportunity or.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Having to kind of like eat their words.
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: And sheepishly back him once again and return to this
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: like he's a changed man narrative. So it's surprising to
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: me that there's not more appeasement going on with the
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: State Party and Grand Plattner.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought that up. I thought that
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: video was the dumbest thing it could possibly do. If
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you wanted him to leave the race, which you say,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you're powerless and you don't matter, get out of the way.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: That is that's like guaranteed to throw gas on the fire,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: isn't it right?
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Exactly?
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: Because it's the State Democratic Party has no leverage over him.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: They it's the opposite of what was done to.
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: Joe Biden, right, And the lead up to him dropping
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: out of the race, you had people saying the sweetest
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: things about Joe Biden public he's a historic president, the
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: best president we've ever had, an American legend.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: And the greatest thing he'll do is step down.
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: Like people were really sucking up to Biden to get
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: him to step out of the Race's eventually got him over.
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: His ego was too late, obviously for Democrats. But you're
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: not seeing any of that sort of approach in the
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: Grand Platner situation, even though they're very similar in that
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: the decision rests with Graham Platner alone, just as it
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: did with Biden, because the main voters have already spoken
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: in the primary.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: And the problem also for Democrats is.
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: That they don't really have a lot of good alternatives
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: to replace Platner. They have a very shallow bunch there.
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: That's why you ended up with Platner in the first place.
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: It's not like there were a bunch of talented Democrats
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: waiting in the wings. So it's a really tough position
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: for Democrats right now.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And the last question Morris Katz is with him today
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: is consultant Morsecatz makes a lot of money off of
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: this race if he stays in, what do you make
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Morris Katz is telling pure speculation but what do you
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: think he's telling him he's a crazy twenty eight year
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  Speaker 1: old or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Yes, See, the money is a very important point.
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: He's made a lot of money, gotten a lot of
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  Speaker 9: recognition because of Grand Platner. It was a huge gamble.
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: That's so so far it looks like it's not going
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: to pay off. But you know what, if Plattner stays
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: in the race, there's still like five more four more.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Months are imbat map till the midterm elections. It's a
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: lot can happen between now and then.
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  Speaker 9: If Graham Plattner were to stay in the race, I
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: don't think it's out of the question that he could
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: possibly beat Susan Collins in an election year that's really
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: tilted against Republicans. And that's the type of advice that
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: if I were Morris Cats I would potentially be giving
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: to grim Plattner.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, what do they have to lose at this
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: point by staying in.
• 35:28
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• 35:32
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  Speaker 1: Mary Katherine Haam, who's host of the Getting Hammered podcasts
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, if we have them up to the house
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  Speaker 1: all right, Mary Catherine. I did not get a chance
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  Speaker 1: so I want to ask you first. Lindsey is an
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• 39:46
  Speaker 1: last night and on Hannity because we had Platner's name
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: up there.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: I don't you know, if he stays.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: In, there's a not zero percent of him winning if
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: he gets out, if he's roadkill.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: So I don't I'm not sure he's going to get out.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: What what's say you?
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm with you. And this is descriptive, not prescriptive.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: Obviously he should get out, But he's not the kind
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: of personality who I assume would do the correct thing,
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: because you know, I had some clues with the Nazi
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: tattoo pretty early on that he wasn't the guy who
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: makes good judgment calls.
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: So I think you're right. The second he's out.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: He has no leverage whatsoever, and no real job because
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: he's not actually selling oysters to anyone. And he has
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: gone through this upheaval and put his wife through all
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: of this as well, and made her do selfie videos
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: to answer for his infidelity.
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: And now all of this is out in.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: The open, So why would he leave now without trying
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: to extract something from the party to ameliorate his issues.
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: But by the way, this.
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: Is a repeat of Biden almost exactly, because you have
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: a chance to deal with these things in a democratic
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: process early, and if you catch that, the guy is
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: really problematic. You can do something to mobilize on that.
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: But if you don't, then you've given someone the voice
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: of the voters. He has this behind him at large
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: numbers in the Democratic Party, frankly from the people who
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: voted for him and Maine, and he can say like,
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: I was the choice of the voters.
• 41:14
  Speaker 11: That's a real thing.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: That's a real thing.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Now if you study, if you're grand Platner and you're
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: studying the Hunter Biden arc, and that is to me,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that is the four corners of grand Platner, the Hunter
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Biden arc. All of a sudden, you have no money,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: no average What do you do podcasts? How do you
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: launch a podcast? Make sure everyone follows you for at
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: least four months. So if I'm I'm just being machiavellen here,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: if I do a podcast today, no one'll talk to him.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: That once doesn't want a grand Platner tattoo on them.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: But if he runs a podcast every day, he will
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: get ratings. WENI it's like Hassan Piker's crazy too, But
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: he would he'd get an audience.
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think he would have an audience. There's also
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: another part of this.
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: I just saw a statistic that his advertising his campaign
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: advertising has mentioned Israel more than any other Democratic nominees advertising.
• 42:13
  Speaker 11: And if you want the.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: Crazies to listen to you online, that's one of the
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: ways that you get them. So I would see that
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: potentially taking a pretty dark turn. Now, I don't think
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: he's quite as compelling as some people give him credit for.
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: I think the look was more what the Democratic Party liked,
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: that he had this real dude aesthetic. And it turns
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: out he's not a normal dude or a nice dude.
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: In fact, quite a bad man.
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: But I'm not sure that the actual talking is his forte.
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: He can do a little stump speech, but I'm not
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: sure how long he can sustain that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: We'll see.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And then you bring in, if that's the case, you
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: bring in a co host from Morris Cat's Inc. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Morris Cat's Inc. Begins to promote twenty twenty eight. And
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: what they are is they they are a very effective
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: assassin of any other campaign. If they speak badly of it,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: or or even if they draw attention to it, it's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a real lethal weaponent.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: I was gonna say, by the way, one of the
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: things that is worth considering about his posture and what
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: he's going to do. Is that these DSA aligned candidates
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: are quite open about the fact they don't care about
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: the party.
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: They think the party has done everyone wrong.
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: And so why would you assume that for the party
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: he would do this thing without getting something in return
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: or making sure he had a soft landing.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: So, Mary Catherine, you're too old, But I'm wondering if
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: in your teenage years you're too young. If you ever
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: saw the classic from my youth called death Rate two thousand,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: where you got points for running people over and if
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: you drove through an old person's home you could kill
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: more people. That was a cult classic. It made a
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: lot of money. So Graham Plattner could be the political
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: equivalent of Death Rate two thousand. He could ruin a
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: lot of people in the next four months, couldn't he.
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: Uh, yeah, he probably has the potential to do so. Again,
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: I don't think he's quite as compelling as some of
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: the other people you mentioned, and I don't know how
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: well he can sustain that.
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: But I do I think they should be quite worried
• 44:15
  Speaker 11: about what he's going to do next.
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: And as I keep saying, Nancy PELUSI didn't have an
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: answer for the squad in twenty nineteen. You think a
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: more empowered DSA wing Hakim Jefferies has an answer for now.
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: These people are going to get rolled, and they might
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: get rolled by Platner too.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: All right, I want to switch subjects over to Irma.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I've got your smuggle. Come on after you and we'll
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: carry on the conversation about Platner. You're very involved with
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the Travis Mannin Foundation. You know a lot of that's
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: who are wounded or killed in the Iraq War, which
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Iran was behind and actually shaped the implosing explosive devices
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: that killed so many people. Do you want the president
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: to unload on them the way I do?
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: Yes, And I would say, look, many Americans are.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: War weary or war weary.
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: Our veterans are among them. There are good reasons to
• 45:05
  Speaker 11: be about boots on the ground and that kind of thing.
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: But I do find that in the veteran community there
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: are many who are still pretty hawkish and also are
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: very concerned about American threat credibility.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: The withdrawal from.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: Afghanistan, which diminished our credibility in so many ways, was
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: heartbreaking to the people who fought there and lost blood
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: and treasure or family members, And I don't think many
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: of those who have experienced with this are relishing the
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: idea that you would walk away from something while giving
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: the message to this horrific regime that we're going to let.
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: You control the straight uprom viers, or we're going to
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: let you do this now. I don't these psychos.
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: We're never going to concede a normal defeat. Right, So
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: you have to find a way to get to a
• 45:50
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• 45:50
  Speaker 5: Feels good, that is a strategic.
• 45:52
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• 45:54
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• 45:56
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about may We don't have a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: crystal ball. We don't know what grand Platner is going
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: to do. But when we're talking, he hadn't done anything.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I just said on Fox earlier. If he
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: stays in, there's not a zero percent chance of him winning.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It's close, but it's not zero. If it gets out,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: it is zero. Does he get out smug.
• 48:32
  Speaker 12: So that's the thing, and it's wonderful because yet again
• 48:35
  Speaker 12: this is the doing of the Democrats. They did it
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: to themselves. When you bring up that it is a
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: non zero chance he wins. It's good to mind, folks.
• 48:42
  Speaker 12: There was this gentleman named Ralph Northam who had his
• 48:46
  Speaker 12: own controversy in Virginia, and every Democrat out there said
• 48:51
  Speaker 12: he should drop out, should should should you know, go away?
• 48:54
  Speaker 12: And he did it and he ended up winning that election.
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: And so I think a lot of Democrats took a
• 48:58
  Speaker 12: lesson from that of like, well, you know, it's never
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: really completely over. And I wouldn't be surprised if Platner
• 49:05
  Speaker 12: stays in. I mean, the man had a Nazi tattoo
• 49:08
  Speaker 12: and Democrats remained with him. In my mind, that party
• 49:13
  Speaker 12: has become so morally bankrupt there's nothing that an individual
• 49:17
  Speaker 12: could do to completely get pushed out among them.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Now, in the aftermath of the second victim coming forward,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: lindsay wasn't enough. The second victim had to come forward rasika,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and they went full Julius Caesar on the way to
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: the Forum. Not they couldn't get there fast enough to
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: put a blade in a grand Platiner. With one exception,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: AOC had nothing to rescind because she didn't endorse. I
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: guess Richie Tory didn't endorse either. Everybody else had to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: plunge a blade in in order to make sure everyone
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: knew that they were trying to carve their grand Platiner
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: tattoo off. Does that make him angry because honestly, the
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: political professional should have told him, shouldn't they You're going
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: to get every proctological investigation ever is gonna come out.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Let's make it clear. He's got the world's words consultants.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: But doesn't he get really angry now at the way
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: they've treated him?
• 50:09
  Speaker 12: And you know the funny thing about his consultants is
• 50:12
  Speaker 12: they are like the vanguard of this next generation of
• 50:16
  Speaker 12: truly awful Marxist left wing lunatics. They're Mumdanni's consultants. All
• 50:21
  Speaker 12: these like nascent races that you're hearing of of far
• 50:24
  Speaker 12: left Marxists. It's the same consulting shop with their hand
• 50:27
  Speaker 12: involved in all of it. And I think that the
• 50:31
  Speaker 12: problem for the Democrats is Platner doesn't have to be angry.
• 50:35
  Speaker 12: He's controlling all the cards. They're completely screwed he doesn't
• 50:38
  Speaker 12: have to step down. He's already got that nomination. And
• 50:41
  Speaker 12: so when you hear these stories of how he's trying
• 50:43
  Speaker 12: to like dictate the terms of him getting out of
• 50:47
  Speaker 12: the race, it has to be like he's the king
• 50:49
  Speaker 12: maker here. It's absurd, but it's true because he's got
• 50:52
  Speaker 12: that party caught, the same way that you know the
• 50:55
  Speaker 12: Hamascoccus has the Democrats caught. And how you know at
• 50:58
  Speaker 12: the victory party of where you're seeing these far left
• 51:01
  Speaker 12: candidates winning against incumbents in New York and they're chanting
• 51:04
  Speaker 12: at the TV when Kim Jefferies will come on that year,
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: next year, next and the next morning King Jeffries has
• 51:10
  Speaker 12: to send out a congratulations message that entire party has
• 51:13
  Speaker 12: been completely captured by these lunatics.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: So my theory, and it's just a theory.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Morris Cats is up there in the house in Maine
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: and he's saying to him, pretend to be willing to
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: get out if they name him aggressive, except nobody that
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: they name someone that they can't name Bellows for example,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: lost of Sudan collins By.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: And we'll take bank.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: We'll make enough money from the next four months from
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the crazy people at ActBlue. We'll give you a half
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and we'll we'll try and rehab you. We'll go on
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: a giant rehab to here, like physical therapy for broken candidate.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: You think that might do you think the consultants might
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: have a handle here on the money?
• 51:50
  Speaker 12: I would not be surprised if that was the situation,
• 51:53
  Speaker 12: because you know, the left has essentially become a money machine,
• 52:00
  Speaker 12: all the NGOs. And you saw all the Democrat candidates
• 52:03
  Speaker 12: and elected Democrats crying when Doge was having a crackdown
• 52:07
  Speaker 12: on where's all this USAID money going? And it's because
• 52:11
  Speaker 12: this is all just a money machine for the left.
• 52:13
  Speaker 12: You're seeing all the investigations happening to Act Blue, all
• 52:17
  Speaker 12: of the consultants, the NGO people on the left, they've
• 52:20
  Speaker 12: all seen that this derangement is a money making operation.
• 52:23
  Speaker 12: I would not be surprised if what you just described
• 52:26
  Speaker 12: is an actual situation that's happening now.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I want to go back in time to when you
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: were maybe in elementary school. You may not have been
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: in elementary you may not even born. Smug Pennsylvania Senate
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: race with Richard Thornberg is where James Carville made his
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: bones in nineteen eighty eight or nineteen ninety and a
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: big upset, and I can't met Harris. I think Harris Wilfer.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I can't remember what his name was. The Democrat won
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: and James Carville was the hot new thing, so he
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: got the Clinton campaign and then we're still seeing him
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: forty years later ranting because he made a lot of money.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: He became the it guy. Does Morse Cats go down
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: in flames now or do the progressive say he can
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: work with anyone?
• 53:12
  Speaker 12: I think he keeps going because he has these candidates.
• 53:16
  Speaker 12: He's got Mumdani, and Mamdanni is a moneymaker. He's Mumdannie's
• 53:20
  Speaker 12: become a king maker among this deranged new left wing
• 53:24
  Speaker 12: that used to be the Democrat party that's not just
• 53:26
  Speaker 12: a Marxist party completely. I think Morse Kats is completely
• 53:30
  Speaker 12: fine with this. His name is getting out, even if
• 53:32
  Speaker 12: it's because one of his candidates has a Nazi tattoo
• 53:35
  Speaker 12: and flamed out. Mors Katz has his name out.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: It's good for his business.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he could say, my guy won the primary with
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: a Nazi tattoo. I can help you if you're seriously
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: at least normal. Now, the one person who did not
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: get close to this. As I mentioned, John Fetterman didn't
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: get close. Richie Tory didn't get close. But AOC read
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the room and she ran from this. Does that help
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: her in twenty twenty eight that she had the good
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: sense to stay away from this guy?
• 54:00
  Speaker 12: If I had to guess in twenty twenty eight, this
• 54:04
  Speaker 12: will be, you know, long gone in the rear view.
• 54:06
  Speaker 12: We will have seen this year, though, is the emergence
• 54:10
  Speaker 12: of the new left. How we've seen the far left
• 54:13
  Speaker 12: Mumdani candidates in New York. How we're seeing the hamascaccus
• 54:17
  Speaker 12: when in Colorado they are taking out incumbent Democrats. This
• 54:21
  Speaker 12: is going to be the launch pad. I would not
• 54:23
  Speaker 12: be surprised if AOC eventually becomes the front runner.
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: A lot of.
• 54:26
  Speaker 12: Prediction sites now have her overtaking Gavin Newsom when it's
• 54:31
  Speaker 12: talk about the twenty twenty eight presidential race.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Well, that's like somebody beating me in a ten k
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: comfortably smug. If I just can say, now, remember tell
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: everyone over at Androl they missed the old guy and
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: you want that such shirt. Thank you, smug, Good to
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: see you fall him on acts of comfortably smug. Listening
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: to The Ruthless Podcast. Tomorrow they'll bring you the latest
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: update from Maine on Graham Platner, Stay turned on