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Episode 140: Exploring Asajj Ventress' Clone Wars Arc, Part 2, "Monster" · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  It's Most Things Kenobi, an elegant podcast for a more
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  civilized fandom. Hi everyone, Welcome to another
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  episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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  all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Leanne.
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  And your Co host, Clarence? If you can hear him, he's he's
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  right next to the mic. And I'm your host, Laura.
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  And this week, man oh man, this is Part 2 of the three-part arc
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  we're doing that focuses on Ventress, and this episode is
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  the second in the arc titled Monster.
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  And right from the jump, I forgot that this episode
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  exemplifies why this is not a kids show.
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  I I have not seen this episode in a long time.
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  Me either. And I I remember why now after
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  watching it. It's really bad it.
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  Is it's gruesome? And like, who's the monster at
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  the end? Well, that's why when I said the
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  title of this episode, Who is the monster?
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  I think they imply it's savage, oppressed.
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  But after everything that goes on, he is the least monstrous
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  thing. I know, I feel like everyone is
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  a monster in some way in this and he is the most innocent of
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  all of it, even though he does horrible stuff.
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  But he's the product of all these monsters coming together.
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  And I I just, first of all, I had, like I said, I hadn't seen
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  this episode in a long time. So when they first introduced
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  Savage, he's with the other what are they called?
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  Death Emerians? No.
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  Yeah. And with the with the spikes in
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  their heads. And I was like, I thought I
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  could have sworn Savage was more buff than this.
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  And then I I completely forgot that they transformed him and
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  turn him into a ripped bodybuilder.
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  I forgot about that part. Are they?
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  Aren't they? Are they Zabraks?
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  I don't remember. Is that what it is?
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  I don't know 'cause Maul is Zabrak, but then they're living
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  on Death Mirror and they're Night brothers, so I don't know
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  what the hell they are. I, I yeah, that's the spiky
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  headed, yeah, a version of the spiky heads.
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  But you're right. They like magic him into Arnold
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  Schwarzenegger and then that's his special gift for the that's.
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  It his life but I forgot like how normal, like thin and and
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  his face wasn't as broad when they first meet him and the
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  other ones come out. Yeah, and they even make his
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  horns grow longer. Yeah, yeah.
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  Which, I mean, one gets broken off anyway eventually.
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  So what good did that do just to make him more, I don't know,
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  sinister looking? I don't.
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  I feel bad for so many of those. Oh, it's just a terrible
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  episode. It's a good episode, but it's
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  terrifying. I remember like, it's standing
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  out to me a lot the first time I I saw it because there was like
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  the night sky and a comet went by and it was particularly
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  beautiful and odd and it was done in the dark, which is
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  obviously very difficult to do an animation, but it's so hard
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  to watch it's event. It's essentially Star Wars
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  Hunger Games. Yes.
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  And it's really awful. And the way the whole time, and
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  this is something I really had forgotten.
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  The way the Night Sisters talk about these males is so
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  disrespectful and gross. Yeah, right.
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  In the way that women often talk about misogyny, it's the
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  reverse, and it's not. It's not like taking power back.
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  It's icky. It's really icky to watch it and
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  I don't like it. Yeah, and and nobody wants to be
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  referred to or talked to in this way.
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  I don't care if it's men doing it to women, women doing it to
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  men, Yeah, you know, male identifying individuals doing it
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  to, you know, it's just like, it's not OK, period.
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  And it's icky, just like you said, watching it as an
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  animation. Yeah, it makes me really dislike
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  the Night Sisters despite their they're so powerful and it
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  there's supposed to be this quote UN quote, strong female
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  character, you know, that we we used to hear all the time
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  especially referring to like Buffy.
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  Oh yeah. Oh, that takes me back.
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  So like. Fine, but then to have give
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  female characters agency and power and have them be so brutal
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  and disrespectful and sexist it it's really disappointing to
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  rewatch. It Yeah, I agree with you.
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  I can digest this a little easier if I view the Night
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  Sisters. All that goes on as like a cult
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  version, a more specific smaller cult version of the Empire
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  itself, of what the Empire end up ends up becoming.
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  Interesting. Like you can have small factions
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  of individuals using their power, abusing their power and
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  just becoming just acting in ways that are are unnecessary in
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  order to wield that power. And I think that we see a real
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  display of abuse of power in this because do they have to?
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  I mean, that's what makes them this version of a witch, which
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  we talked about last week, is not our version of a witch we
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  like. You know, we're we're a little
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  turned off by the evil witch persona, but right in this case,
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  they're using all of this power for all of this personal gain.
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  And it's deceitful, it's duplicitous, and it's it just
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  reminds me of the of what the Empire eventually becomes when
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  it rises. Just so.
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  I mean, it doesn't matter if it's all women or all men or
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  it's Palpatine and his and his little minions.
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  It's all the same. It is I I wrote this down too,
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  because Mother Tellson says when they decide to send Ventress off
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  to the Knight Brothers and they're going to select a A
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  mate, Talzan says, quote, we will use our magics to
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  manipulate his meaning. Dooku's assassin, and they are
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  that. To me, they're no different than
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  Sidious. Yeah, yeah.
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  Talzan is just another version of what they all symbolize.
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  Yeah. Which is disappointing because
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  we want those strong, empowered women characters, but we get
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  them with Leia and we get them with Rey and we get them with
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  Ahsoka and Hera, etcetera. And you know, but we could have
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  had a witch, but we didn't. Not in this version.
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  Something that I learned researching for the last episode
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  that we kind of like teased at the end of last episode was that
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  Tauzin is the biological mother of Darth Maul and Savagopress.
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  And Sidious came to Daphamir before the Clone Wars before
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  Phantom Menace and he came to death mare to learn from mother
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  Talzin and she was going to learn from Pam and they would
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  exchange their learnings of how to use the dark side and he said
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  he was going to make her his apprentice and instead he stole
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  his son Maul. So Maul was just kidnapped
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  basically by Sidious, and Talzin held a grudge for the rest of
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  time, basically against Sidious and the dark side users and
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  anyone who associated with Cydia.
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  So by default then Dooku eventually.
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  A mother scorned. Yes, however.
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  To the NTH degree. Savage is her son and she has no
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  problem disassociating from him, talking about him like he's a
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  piece of meat and sending him off to be manipulated, used so
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  this. It's like cherry picking when
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  she has motherly feelings or I think it's really nothing to do
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  with her children and has to do more with She was slighted, she
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  was disrespected. For sure.
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  But. And she views her her children,
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  as possessions, not entities with free will.
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  It's it's all it's interesting but gross.
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  And this is not a kid show. Yeah 'cause.
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  Holy shit. Oh, I can understand from like,
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  oh God, even Ventress is over the top.
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  But I can understand from maybe Ventress's point of view,
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  because she's got the most recent grudge, right?
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  Yeah. Oh my.
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  She beats their asses without, I mean, which I love to see.
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  Just kick them. Just go, Ventress, go.
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  But at the same time, Oh my God, stop.
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  It's a bit drastic. It's almost like they're
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  expendable, like clones. Yeah.
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  But, but the Jedi definitely treat clones with more respect
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  than than this group treats this entity of men.
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  I think, even though they have so many clones that they're just
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  expendable and they have to leave them where they lie.
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  You know, which I always had a problem with, But like fallen
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  soldiers, right? You got to, you got to keep
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  going. But these these were just
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  discarded in the Hunger Game. I just love how Star Wars.
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  In Clone Wars they just have fields of these sort of obstacle
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  courses that they just use. Where do they get convenient?
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  Like they had them for the I don't know what the What's the
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  Kenobi. Oh my my brain's shot for the.
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  The box. The for the Yeah when he turns
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  into what's his name and pisses Anakin off.
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  Oh, Reiko Hardeen, yeah. They had a game.
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  Shocks yeah. Yeah, boss, for they had the
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  squid games. They just pop up whenever
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  necessary in Star Wars. Like, what the fuck?
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  It's true. And actually this arena kind of
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  reminded me of the mortise arena, but in reverse.
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  Like reverse. Color totally which could see
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  that. Makes sense if like all mother,
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  Talzin left Mortis and brought all her weird shit to death,
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  Amir and set up shop. She did.
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  The old one finger to the forehead knocked him right out.
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  Which the Father does. Yes, and I noticed it more this
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  time because you and I talked about how like, if that's her
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  sleeping pill, I want in. Remember from last episode, I
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  still want please sign me up for this, but I just realized how
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  much her finger. I know it's the animation style,
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  but like with the nail and everything was so like the
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  father. Yeah, it is.
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  I think there's something there to that theory, I really do.
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  And if not, they're really, it's a red herring, 'cause it's so
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  there's so much there that could be that it almost feels like
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  they're doing it on purpose, if you're paying attention.
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  There was a lot to this that was like an evil version of Mortis.
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  I I just forgot how much violence there was in it.
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  Me too. And I had totally forgotten that
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  the people who are the brothers, who are unsuccessful were
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  killed. It wasn't just like.
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  Sliced and diced. Yeah, like, holy fucking shit
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  guys. Like, no respect for life
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  whatsoever. And it's even more heartbreaking
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  that Savage sacrifices himself for his brother and that that
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  adds a whole layer. And OK, so as as I was re
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  watching, I was like, he's controllable because he has an
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  attachment to his brother, right?
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  So And then he converts to like sacrifices himself to Ventress
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  to protect his brother out of hatred, not out of loyalty.
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  So that's a weak bond to begin with.
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  Yeah, totally. And then they have him kill his
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  own brother at the end, thus removing the only piece of
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  control they had over him. I know they were trying to prove
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  that there was like nothing left inside him anymore.
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  So terrible. It is terrible, but then as like
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  the the show evolves and Savage's plot evolves, he
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  doesn't give a shit about Ventress.
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  He very no rarely will actually do what she tells him.
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  Yeah, he ends up bonding with Maul more.
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  Yeah. Because Maul, whether it's
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  genuine or not, respects him and treats him like a a brother
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  maybe Like a kid brother where? Yes.
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  Maul still knows he's like the most powerful one, and don't get
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  it twisted. Right.
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  And then we know what ends up happening to Savage, and it's so
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  sad. Yeah, his whole arc is
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  absolutely heartbreaking. He's just another pawn in this
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  big giant game where nobody really wins other than like the
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  main puppeteers at the top. It's disgusting.
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  God, Star Wars pain. It makes me wonder, like I very
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  genuinely wonder if when it was written they thought it was
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  cool, or if they were aware how gross their themes were.
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  I think it was done to show just how different they are
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  comparatively to what the Jedi are trying to do.
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  I don't know. That's the only way I can like
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  reason the excessiveness in this episode.
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  I keep, I I found myself constantly trying to be like,
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  well, it's just another culture, Lauren, You, you just don't live
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  in that culture. You don't understand that
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  culture. Like maybe that's how they do it
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  on death of me or like all the way the witches are treating the
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  brothers. And I just kept thinking like,
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  how do you be that archaeologist or whatever?
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  The anthropologist was just like observing without judgement.
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  It was very difficult because it's so ruthless.
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  I wonder if they had to because of how crazy Maul was.
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  So maybe they were trying to set the stage for more of his type
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  and so they had to make him like, I don't know, I'm, I'm
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  kind of reaching here, but there had to been a reason, 'cause I
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  don't feel like that team did anything without some reason.
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  Right, right. It was never just a throw away.
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  Yeah, so I I got to believe it was symbolic somewhere hard to
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  hard to see it when you're watching their arms and limbs
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  and entire bodies just get sliced and tossed away like
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  they're nothing. Like, yeah.
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  Well, like the very first thing Ventris does when she gets there
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  is choke out some guy and then tell someone else they're too
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  skinny and someone else they're too weak.
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  Yeah, it's. Terrible messaging.
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  It's just so sad. I mean, if you think about the
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  modeling industry, that's what men do to women all the time and
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  other women I shouldn't. Say.
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  Exclusive. The women can be just as
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  venomous as the men in the fashion industry.
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  So to me that was that was the violent version of the that that
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  show. Yeah, that's it.
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  I could it was like runway something.
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  I'm sorry, your pleats are too obvious.
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  You have to go. With an.
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  X, You're weak. We have to kill you.
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  It's just terrible anyway. God.
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  It's. I did kind of think it was cool,
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  which of course I knew this, but like, I don't know.
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  It hit differently now after seeing the Ahsoka show that
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  Mother Talzin provides Savage with an enchanted bleed, which
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  again, there's an enchanted blade in Mortise.
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  In the mortise? Yep.
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  So she either had a crush on the dad, father and said, you know
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  what, I'm I'm going to style all my business just like his.
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  Or she was a part of that and she said I'm out, but I'm going
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  to take a few things with me when I go.
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  There's got to be something there.
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  It just seems terribly obvious, but I guess you could argue it's
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  just a force thing, but. Could be.
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  Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I don't know. I mean, Ray ends up having a
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  blade in the sequel trilogy. A small remember that thing that
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  she had and had the writings on it, and he lined it up.
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  I always thought that should have been the mortise blade.
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  Oh yeah, that would have been a great, great connection.
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  Oh my God, now I'm pissed. That would have been so good.
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  Oh my. God, even I remember just the
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  trailers. I was like, Oh my God, that
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  could be the mortise blade. And then, of course, it wasn't
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  so missed. Opportunity #672.
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  Right, Disney, come on, you have our number.
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  Let's let's talk. Let's talk for real.
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  We will. Fill your plot holes and make
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  your stories a little bit better.
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  That's all. Just teeny little things like
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  that. Anything would take, so you put
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  it in anyway. Make it have more meaning.
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  Yeah, exactly. Well, anyway, damn.
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  Yeah, they take, Oh well, I guess they don't take mall like,
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  well, yes they do. They take mall to see Dooku and
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  then Dooku. Test No.
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  Oh, I'm sorry. You're savage.
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  No, Savage. Sorry.
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  Well. What's crazy is that if you say
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  Assange and Savage too close together, it's true that too.
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  And then Mall and Savage are two peas in a pod.
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  So yeah, there's a lot of confusing shit in this, in this
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  corner of the Galaxy. Yeah, my brain is just mushing
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  it all together and into one person.
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  Anyway, what I met was Savage. They take Savage Sudoku and he
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  tests him. And that's where we see Devron,
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  which we talked about in the episode.
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  What was it a couple episodes ago?
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  The book when we were doing another story review from a
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  certain point of view, they talk about Devron, the Jedi Temple
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  and the Jedi Revveron. Was that was the chef the head
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  chef of Bespin? Yes.
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  Was Devronian. Yes.
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  And. She made reference to a Jedi
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  temple and a holiday or something like that, and then
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  also had the temple got destroyed and we see the savage
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  shows up and just kills the Jedi Master and the Padawan in like
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  10 seconds. It's nothing.
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  Oh, it's he, flings the little padawan.
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  Yeah, they didn't even show it. And just like crumples, it's.
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  Too awkward because not a kid show.
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  Holy cow. That's crazy.
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  We don't really see Ventris kill any Jedi, do we?
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  Kill Jedi. I know we see her kill clones
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  and she's always going after Anakin.
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  Yeah, well, so am I. Not in the same way, but you
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  know what I mean? Yeah.
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  I don't think she's killed a Jedi.
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  That's interesting though, if you think about it.
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  Maybe there's a reason there. She's rocking the hood, though.
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  She is And a mask, which now just makes me think of COVID,
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  but I know that that's not what it was intended.
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  For Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
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  She She. I think she's better without the
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  hood. Hey, did you?
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  I I. Her nose has a wrinkle in it to
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  me that it's just reminiscent of my dogs, which I don't mean to.
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  Like. Compare to a dog.
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  But it just it's it like gave me a sentimental feeling which I
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  know is not the right feeling. That was my own projecting onto
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  the. Character but.
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  Yeah, I don't know. I like ventures.
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  Without it. She's so, like, striking.
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  But I guess, like, what was the point of it?
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  Because it's not like she was hiding her identity.
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  No, I'm not sure. I don't know.
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  Masks and hoods are for to build mystery.
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  I don't know. Just to be intrigued, I guess.
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  I guess so. It's the hood that never moves,
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  though, and I would like one in a windstorm, yeah.
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  Yeah, there was something I was curious about which I I don't
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  have an exact answer for this, but last week we talked about
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  the Kariatids, the the statues that were like holding up.
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  I noticed also above that is a giant like head with the mouth
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  open. Yeah.
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  Which is I I want to learn more. I haven't really had time to
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  research it in too much depth. Like, what does that symbolize
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  when a statue's mouth is hanging open like that?
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  And what I saw really quickly is that it's like a portal.
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  Oh, oh, OK. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Which?
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  Kind of makes sense because then they showed Dooku enter the
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  Night Sisters temple from above through that statue's mouth.
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  Like it looks like they're walking into the mouth.
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  I think that's that's kind of interesting.
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  Again, I didn't research it in too much depth, so if anyone out
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  there knows width that is a reference to, if it's based on
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  anything specific, I'd be really interested to hear.
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  I tried to research it really quick.
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  I'm sure that this has got to be like a reference to to something
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  that I just didn't have time to research enough, but if anyone
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  knows I would really be interested to learn more.
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  About that I would love to know. Do you know anything about why
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  why these Death Amirians are yellow versus why Mall?
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  'S red. Red.
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  I don't know. And people have said that like,
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  mall's color, like the black is actually tattooing.
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  I don't know. Oh, I'm.
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  I'm not really sure. It says here gold because
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  sauvage is gold in my in my opinion he's a hue of gold, not
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  bright yellow. And according to this, it says
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  gold is associated with male energy and the power of the sun,
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  SUN, but could be SON. Compared with silver, which is
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  related to female energy in the moon, gold adds richness and
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  warmth to everything it comes in contact with.
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  Yeah, totally him. It's optimistic and positive.
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  It's the color of wealth and high status, success,
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  achievement and triumph. So maybe it was some of that
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  twist on it. Yeah, yeah.
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  Almost ironic. That it's corruption.
• 23:11
  Yeah, yeah. Yikes.
• 23:15
  That was interesting how they basically turn him into an
• 23:18
  animal at the end. Oh yeah, that's the only way.
• 23:22
  He has like, a snarling, like animal sounds even coming out of
• 23:26
  him. Yeah, which is very.
• 23:28
  Keep in mind folks, that Obi Wan fought off him and Maul with
• 23:36
  just himself and two lightsabers.
• 23:38
  How bad ass is that? That is hot.
• 23:43
  It's really hot. It's really hot.
• 23:46
  I mean. He actually.
• 23:47
  He cuts off Savage's arm in that duel, and there is this shot
• 23:52
  that is. I'll never forget it.
• 23:54
  I didn't see it the first time I watched it, but there's a moment
• 23:57
  he swoops under, cuts off Savage's arm and like they show
• 24:02
  his feet land and savages our lands.
• 24:05
  Between his feet so. Dramatic and gross.
• 24:11
  Very awful. It's really icky.
• 24:16
  He's always dismembering the mall family.
• 24:19
  Yeah, well, I was including Anakin in that.
• 24:23
  So oopsie, oopsie. He does go for the limbs.
• 24:28
  He does. He cuts off a lot of limbs.
• 24:31
  Well, he tries to stop them from coming on without killing them.
• 24:34
  That's his style, just dismembering them.
• 24:38
  Yeah, Dismember. Oh God.
• 24:41
  But it stands to prove when you see a scene like Savage going to
• 24:44
  that Jedi temple and knocking out one Jedi and his or her
• 24:49
  Padawan. Just like that plus a bunch of
• 24:51
  guards and and droids and all this stuff one and then Kenobi
• 24:54
  does just handles him and Maul at the same it's oh God oh
• 25:01
  powerful powerful dude. He doesn't get enough credit.
• 25:05
  It's hot. Yeah.
• 25:07
  That's why it's my favorite scene ever.
• 25:10
  We love him here. If you don't know, just in case.
• 25:17
  Just just a twinge, I don't think.
• 25:18
  I have anything else? I just wrote that the story is
• 25:21
  fucking awful. It's all.
• 25:23
  Yeah, it's it's a pretty violent tale.
• 25:25
  No good comes from it on either front.
• 25:28
  Savage's story. It's just as sad as Assange.
• 25:33
  Ventress. Savage Oppress Assange,
• 25:36
  Ventress. Their stories are just sad.
• 25:40
  Maybe that's the maybe that is the overarching theme here,
• 25:44
  People doing wrong to other people having wrong done to
• 25:48
  them. Yeah, they say that pain has
• 25:50
  like a ripple effect. Oh, it doesn't.
• 25:52
  It does for sure in this. So if you're a wounded person,
• 25:56
  you'll just perpetuate that on other people until you learn
• 25:59
  some sort of compassion, Which she does, sort of eventually,
• 26:02
  but even after, because she has her transformation while Savage
• 26:08
  and Maul are running all over the Galaxy still.
• 26:10
  So that's when she remembers she gets the bounty to go and kill
• 26:15
  Savage. She still wants him dead even
• 26:17
  after everything, and it's like she's the one who ruined his
• 26:21
  life and turned him into this monster.
• 26:23
  You started this, Ventress. Well then maybe she should have
• 26:27
  been the one to end it. Oh well.
• 26:29
  She was not, though. It was Sidious, wasn't it?
• 26:32
  Sidious is the one who Oh yeah, well.
• 26:34
  I don't even think we do. We see it.
• 26:36
  Yes, we do see it. We do 'cause he dies and then
• 26:39
  kind of like shrinks a little bit, like back into his normal
• 26:44
  self. And he says to maul that.
• 26:47
  Yeah, Maul's there. That's what I remember.
• 26:48
  Yeah, he says something like, oh, it's so heartbreaking.
• 26:51
  I can't remember but. Brother, I am an unworthy
• 26:54
  apprentice. I'm not like you.
• 26:56
  I never was. But it's so sad.
• 26:59
  Oh my God. I hate it.
• 27:04
  It makes my skin hurt. Like just all of this is so
• 27:08
  brutal and and heartless. And we, I think we sometimes
• 27:12
  forget that about Ventress because we're always like, oh,
• 27:14
  Venture is such a badass and she has this great evolution and
• 27:17
  it's like there's this really gross part in the middle where I
• 27:21
  don't like this. This doesn't sit well with me,
• 27:24
  honestly. Well.
• 27:26
  It says here he's a Dathomirian Zabric night brother, so he's
• 27:29
  all three and go back to what we were saying earlier.
• 27:33
  Is he Dathamurian? Is he Zabric?
• 27:34
  What he's he's all and then some is the full.
• 27:39
  Package deal. Feel bad for him?
• 27:42
  I do. I do.
• 27:43
  Too. He deserved better, just like so
• 27:46
  many people in Star Wars. Yeah, really.
• 27:48
  And their path chosen unchosen. I don't know.
• 27:52
  It's just I don't think when these characters go into it,
• 27:57
  they can foresee the end that awaits them because it's so
• 28:00
  beyond what they're led to believe in the beginning that
• 28:04
  they never ever, I mean from people like Talzin and Mall and
• 28:11
  then the father in Mortis and then, you know, because I'm
• 28:14
  pretty sure the son never thought the father would, you
• 28:16
  know, all this business. And then, of course, Sidious,
• 28:18
  that nobody, nobody really knows how awful it is at the end of
• 28:23
  whatever they have set up for them.
• 28:26
  What's what we've said before sometimes, like if you knew the
• 28:29
  end, you'd never start. Yeah, it's true.
• 28:38
  So next week we will wrap up this three episode arc
• 28:42
  discussion with the final episode of this arc titled The
• 28:46
  Witches of the Mist, and it's going to have it all just like
• 28:50
  these other two have. I hope it's less depressing.
• 28:55
  Less depressing, Yeah, except, you know Star Wars is pain, so
• 29:00
  come prepared, right? So last week we obviously were
• 29:05
  talking about part one of this arc, the episode called Night
• 29:07
  Sisters and we spent a few minutes chatting about Dooku's
• 29:11
  pajamas, which was hilarious. And then our friend Ben sent us.
• 29:17
  It's It's so funny. Is it?
• 29:20
  What was the game? I can't remember now.
• 29:21
  It was Battlefront. Battlefront, yeah.
• 29:24
  It was one of the skins. That you could One of the skins
• 29:27
  Dooku's Exquisite Pajamas, that's actually what.
• 29:32
  Yes, they were exquisite, and I'm glad that they're in
• 29:35
  Battlefront. And Ben, thanks for sharing that
• 29:38
  skin with us because. It literally made my day.
• 29:42
  So magnificent. Yes.
• 29:44
  Exquisite. Exquisite and thank you so much
• 29:49
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