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  Speaker 1: Instead reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight. Our sex Discrimination commissioners still can't.
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  Speaker 3: Define what a woman is.
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  Speaker 2: You won't believe the answers she gave to the Senate
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  Speaker 2: this week, I'll be joined by the senator who grilled
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  Speaker 2: her in a moment. Australian households are facing even more
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  Speaker 2: energy price pain. Barnaby Joyce will join me on that one,
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  Speaker 2: and Australia's youngest senator has made a fool of herself again.
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  Speaker 2: I'll bring you that bizarre footage later on in the
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  Speaker 2: show with my panel. All of that coming up, but first,
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  Speaker 2: I've never had to appear before a Senate Estimates committee before,
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  Speaker 2: but I imagine it'd be quite nerve wracking. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: as a public servant, you sit there under the glare
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  Speaker 2: of the lights, being interrogated by politicians about your role
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  Speaker 2: and whether you're serving the interests of the Australian people
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  Speaker 2: or simply marking time until your next diversity training session.
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  Speaker 3: Needless to say, you shouldn't wing it.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you prepare? I mean you'd rehearse, wouldn't you. You'd
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  Speaker 2: make sure you could answer basic questions like your own name,
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  Speaker 2: and possibly even stretch yourself to knowing what planet you
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  Speaker 2: live on, which is why it was somewhat astonishing to
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  Speaker 2: watch our Sex Discrimination commissioner stroll in this week as
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  Speaker 2: though she'd mistaken send it Estimates for a brunch date,
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  Speaker 2: especially since at her last appearance in October, she was
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  Speaker 2: asked what she thought about biological males in female toilets
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  Speaker 2: and responded with this gem.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand the term biological men.
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  Speaker 2: That was October, so you'd think with eight full weeks notice,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Anna Cody would have realized she had one job
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  Speaker 2: figure out what a man what a woman is?
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  Speaker 3: Thing radical, just the basics. I don't know what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a dog ate her homework, or maybe her dog
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  Speaker 2: identifies as her homework. I'm not sure, but here she
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  Speaker 2: was this week being questioned by Senator Leah Blythe.
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  Speaker 5: At a previous Senate Estimates hearing, you stated that you
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  Speaker 5: didn't understand the term biological man. You've now had some
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  Speaker 5: time to look at that. Do you now have a
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  Speaker 5: definition for biological man? What's your understanding of it?
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  Speaker 6: Senator?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not a medical expert. I'm a human rights advocate.
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  Speaker 3: You see, that's where we went wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we should have employed a medical expert as our
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  Speaker 2: sex discrimination commissioner. Seriously, she can't tell a man from
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  Speaker 2: a woman because she's not a doctor. Look, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a park ranger, but I can tell a bear from
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  Speaker 2: a backpacker. Senatilie A Blithe wondered aloud how a human
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  Speaker 2: rights advocate is able to advocate for women if she
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  Speaker 2: can't distinguish a woman from a man.
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  Speaker 5: Do you accept that there's a clear criteria that exists
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  Speaker 5: to distinguish between male and female.
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  Speaker 4: The Sex Discrimination Act does not define man or woman.
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  Speaker 4: It has an inclusive definition of women that includes all women.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I imagine a sex discrimination Act doesn't define a man
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  Speaker 2: or a woman because when no one ever imagined we'd
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  Speaker 2: have a sex discrimination commissioner, so daft who needed someone
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  Speaker 2: to define for her terms that are well understood by
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  Speaker 2: your average preschooler.
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  Speaker 3: But you heard her. The Act has an inclusive.
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  Speaker 2: Definition of women, a definition of women that includes all women.
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  Speaker 3: Is there any other kind listener?
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  Speaker 2: She explains a definition of women that includes all women.
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  Speaker 4: So that is first Nations, women, women from culturally and
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  Speaker 4: racially marginalized backgrounds, trans women, lesbians, women with disability.
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  Speaker 2: So, according to doctor Anna Cody, a woman is an
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  Speaker 2: aboriginal woman, a disabled woman, and even a migrant woman.
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  Speaker 2: Now you'll notice the structure she employs adjective plus woman.
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  Speaker 2: The adjectives describes the noun. It doesn't define the noun,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't need to be an English expert to
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  Speaker 2: grasp that, just as you don't need to be a
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  Speaker 2: medical expert to know boys and girls are different. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: listing all those adjectives makes it much easier to slip
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  Speaker 2: trans woman in there, as though it was just another
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  Speaker 2: flavor of women, which, brace yourself, it ain't. Having failed
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  Speaker 2: to define a woman, she was then offered a chance
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  Speaker 2: to define a man.
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  Speaker 3: Queue further fog, What do you think a man is? Senator?
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  Speaker 4: All the same definitions that I've just given in relation
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  Speaker 4: to women. So first nations, men went men with disability,
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  Speaker 4: culturally racially marginalized men, and gay men and trans men.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Dr Cody Shaw loves her adjectives. You know two
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  Speaker 2: can play that game. So what about the adjective biological?
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  Speaker 5: Do you recognize that there are biological men and women?
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  Speaker 4: As I said previously, Senator, I'm not a medical expert.
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  Speaker 7: Ah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we can identify First Nations men, disabled men, gay men,
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  Speaker 2: trans men, but biological men. That adjective is apparently so
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  Speaker 2: dangerous it requires a PhD and a hazmat suit.
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  Speaker 5: So you think you have to be a medical expert
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  Speaker 5: to be able to recognize whether there's a difference between
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  Speaker 5: a biological man and woman? Is that what you're saying?
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  Speaker 5: So only medical experts can.
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  Speaker 4: As I said, my role is to uphold the Sex
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  Speaker 4: Discrimination Act. It's not defined what a man is and
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  Speaker 4: what a woman is within the Sex Discrimination Act.
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  Speaker 2: Now that raises a rather obvious problem, does it not?
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  Speaker 2: If the Sex Discrimination Commissioner doesn't know what a man
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  Speaker 2: or a woman is, and.
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  Speaker 3: If the law she enforces doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Define what a man or a woman is, how exactly
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  Speaker 2: does she prevent sex discrimination?
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  Speaker 5: Can I ask how you, as commissioner can advocate and
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  Speaker 5: stand up for the equality of women if under your
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  Speaker 5: own evidence here today, anyone can be a woman? So
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  Speaker 5: how do you protect and advocate for what you can't define?
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  Speaker 4: My role is to advocate for gender equality, as I
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  Speaker 4: have been doing over the last two years, holding consultations
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  Speaker 4: around women's experience of workplace sexual harassment, advocating around domestic
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  Speaker 4: and family violence, advocating around sexual violence. That is how
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  Speaker 4: I advocate for women.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing one minute, no one knows, least of all the
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  Speaker 2: Sex Discrimination Commission of what a woman is, and the
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  Speaker 2: next minute he's passionately advocating for women, whoever.
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  Speaker 3: They might be.
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  Speaker 5: Your definition of a woman, there, though, is anybody can
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  Speaker 5: be a woman. So if anyone can be a woman,
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  Speaker 5: how are you advocating for a group if you can't
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  Speaker 5: actually define who they are and they could be anyone.
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  Speaker 4: I refer to my previous answers to heir.
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  Speaker 2: She wants us to refer to her previous answers. Those
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  Speaker 2: answers were the problem. By now, she was well and
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  Speaker 2: truly on the ropes with Senator blythe pressing. Doctor Anna
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  Speaker 2: Cody cast a longing glance at the committee chair, Labor
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  Speaker 2: Senator Yanna Stewart, who obligingly leapt in to protect her.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think, then, if all men can be women
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  Speaker 5: and all women can be men, it's completely interchangeable and fluid.
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  Speaker 5: Does sex discrimination exist?
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  Speaker 8: Senator?
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  Speaker 3: I'm just going to suggest.
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  Speaker 8: That I don't think her the commissioner. I expect her
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  Speaker 8: personal views on this on in relating to your questions,
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  Speaker 8: I think she's outlined some responsibilities under her responsibility. So
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  Speaker 8: I would just suggest that you're not verbal the commissioner
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  Speaker 8: in terms of what it is that she's said here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was a rescue worthy of the sas the labor.
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  Speaker 2: Senator accused BLI of verbaling the Commissioner, who frankly was
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  Speaker 2: doing a pretty good job of verbaling herself.
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  Speaker 3: But Senator Bly wasn't done.
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  Speaker 5: Men can be women and vice versa. Does sex discrimination exist?
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  Speaker 6: Only know that.
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  Speaker 4: Sex discrimination is an ongoing and serious issue within our community,
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  Speaker 4: as evidence by the high rates of domestic and family violence.
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  Speaker 4: We know that one woman dies every eight days in
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  Speaker 4: Australia currently.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on a second. The Act doesn't define a woman.
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  Speaker 2: The commissioner can't define a woman, so how exactly does
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  Speaker 2: she know it's women who are dying.
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  Speaker 4: The statistics that are collected are collected by a range
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  Speaker 4: of agencies, including the Australian Bureau Statistics. Each state and
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  Speaker 4: territory also has a body that collects statistics and they
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  Speaker 4: are the organizations which would define the gender of the
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  Speaker 4: person that they're collecting statistics on.
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  Speaker 2: So the ABS knows what a woman is. State agencies
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  Speaker 2: can tell the difference, and there are trained professionals across
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  Speaker 2: the country who possess this secret mystical knowledge. It's just
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  Speaker 2: never been shared with the one person whose job relies
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  Speaker 2: on it, the Sex Discrimination Commissioner. Well Brisbane doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: an Olympic stadium yet, but fear not, that won't stop
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  Speaker 2: us from being inspired. Today, the twenty thirty two Olympic
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  Speaker 2: organizers unveiled a three WE slogan designed to stir the
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  Speaker 2: hearts and minds of every Australian.
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  Speaker 3: It's delight our moments to believe belong.
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  Speaker 6: O Big records from Madison Terrazaris.
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  Speaker 7: It has become the first astray into right of Joy
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  Speaker 7: from Hilly cole Go.
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  Speaker 6: Just amazing.
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  Speaker 9: Where is.
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  Speaker 3: Believe belong become?
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  Speaker 2: They conveniently left out one word borrow, because apparently that
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  Speaker 2: would have been two on the nose. Creating such linguistic
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  Speaker 2: brilliance doesn't just happen overnight. No, it took the Olympic
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  Speaker 2: Organizing Committee more than a year, six marketing specialists, forty workshops,
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  Speaker 2: and input from roughly six thousand people to land on
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  Speaker 2: this gem. He Organizing Committee President Andrew Leverus.
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  Speaker 10: You know, if you look at Believe, we believe in
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  Speaker 10: the Aussie spirit, the power and the love of our sports.
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  Speaker 10: We believe in our level playing field. If you look
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  Speaker 10: at belong, a welcome matt to the world, Everyone's games,
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  Speaker 10: everyone a part of these games, accessible, fully accessible and
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  Speaker 10: of course become.
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  Speaker 3: It's our moment, our move.
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  Speaker 10: We have what it takes to put on these large events,
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  Speaker 10: the event for the world in six and a half
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  Speaker 10: short years.
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  Speaker 2: I just hope they didn't pay ninety six million dollars
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  Speaker 2: for that. Admittedly, Believe Belong Become is marginally better than bungled, broken, bankrupted,
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  Speaker 2: which is how things were shaping up under the Labor
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  Speaker 2: State government. Of course, many Queenslanders would have preferred a
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  Speaker 2: simple no, no no.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the kicker.
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  Speaker 2: This so called original slogan has been doing the rounds
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  Speaker 2: in Australian churches for at least a decade.
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  Speaker 3: Check out the webpage of.
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  Speaker 2: Riverstone Community Church in Grantham Farm. There you go Believe
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  Speaker 2: Belong Become. And then there's Kawana Baptist Church on the
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  Speaker 2: Sunshine Coast Belong Believe Become and Wallsend Baptist Church in
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  Speaker 2: Newcastle Belong Believe Become.
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  Speaker 3: And while we're at it, what.
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  Speaker 2: About the Sydney Catholic Archbishop's newsletter back in twenty eighteen
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  Speaker 2: Belong Believe Become.
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  Speaker 3: So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Was it King Solomon who said there's nothing new under
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  Speaker 2: the sun? So congratulations Brisbane Olympic Committee. You've spent a
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  Speaker 2: small fortune to repackage a church bulletin as national inspiration.
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  Speaker 2: And while the rest of us wait for a stadium
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  Speaker 2: to actually exist, we can at least take comfort in
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  Speaker 2: knowing that Australia now has a slogan so original, so
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  Speaker 2: cutting edge.
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  Speaker 3: Even your local Sunday school has been using it for years.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's come back to the Sex Discrimination Commissioner.
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined by Liberal Senator Lee Bligh. Leah, thanks for
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  Speaker 2: coming on the program. I watched your interrogation of doctor
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  Speaker 2: Anna Cody with fascination and was shocked, frankly a pull
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  Speaker 2: that her inability to simply state what a man or
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  Speaker 2: a woman is should.
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  Speaker 3: I have been surprised.
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  Speaker 5: It was really quite extraordinary, and I think what we've
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  Speaker 5: seen from our sex discrimination commissionaries, she's far more of
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  Speaker 5: an activist than a pragmatist. And while I was hoping
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  Speaker 5: that the answers would defer to what I got and
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  Speaker 5: I was hoping to be surprised by them. Unfortunately, what
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  Speaker 5: she did was deliver exactly what she has been doing,
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  Speaker 5: and surprisingly, I mean, the Sex Discrimination Act doesn't define
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  Speaker 5: a man and a woman because Parliament didn't feel the
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  Speaker 5: need it needed to spell out the obvious. But what
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  Speaker 5: we're finding is taxpayer funded activists will always find a
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  Speaker 5: way to work against hard working Australians. She collects a
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  Speaker 5: four hundred thousand dollars salary from the taxpayer, and she's
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  Speaker 5: proven that she's willing to throw all women under the
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  Speaker 5: bus for men, which is completely contrary to what her
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  Speaker 5: remit is.
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  Speaker 2: I noticed that you continually tried to tease out her
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  Speaker 2: personal view and she continually hid behind the Act and said, well,
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  Speaker 2: the Act says, the Act says, and she was very
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  Speaker 2: hesitant to give her personal view. Is that good enough
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  Speaker 2: for somebody in that role.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it is.
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  Speaker 5: And even the way she's hiding behind the Act, that
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  Speaker 5: is her interpretation of the Act, and what we're seeing
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  Speaker 5: in the Tickle v. Giggle case is her interpretation is
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  Speaker 5: now being tested and there's an appeal before the Federal
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  Speaker 5: Appeals Court, and it will be very interesting to see
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  Speaker 5: what their findings are, because, as I said, the Sex
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  Speaker 5: Discrimination Act doesn't say that the rights of men should
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  Speaker 5: come before the rights of women. It actually is silent
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  Speaker 5: on those definitions. So the definitions are what she interpreting
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  Speaker 5: them to be, which I don't think is good enough.
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  Speaker 5: I think it does go to what her personal views
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  Speaker 5: are rather than what the intention of the legislation was,
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  Speaker 5: and her own submissions to that case demonstrated as I
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  Speaker 5: said earlier, she's willing to throw all women under the
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  Speaker 5: bus and will let a man's perceived rights trump those
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  Speaker 5: of women. And to me, that is just completely irresponsible
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  Speaker 5: and divisive.
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  Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, Why aren't women across
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  Speaker 2: the country outraged by this? I mean, I've just had
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  Speaker 2: a go at her, and obviously you were pretty unimpressed.
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  Speaker 2: But why isn't there outrage across the country that someone
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  Speaker 2: in this position charged with protecting the rights of women
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  Speaker 2: refuses to or can't say what a woman is. Why
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  Speaker 2: is it that it seems such a small group of
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  Speaker 2: people are concerned about this.
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  Speaker 5: It is really interesting, and I think there is certainly
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  Speaker 5: a growing unrest as people are realizing what the interpretation
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  Speaker 5: of the legislation actually means. I think for a long
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  Speaker 5: time it was very much I guess we hadn't tested it.
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  Speaker 5: When we have trans rights and women's rights and they
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  Speaker 5: intersect with each other, which one will come out on
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  Speaker 5: top and really Tickle v. Giggle is one of the
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  Speaker 5: first cases that we've had in Australia that has tested that,
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  Speaker 5: and I think people are now aware of what that
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  Speaker 5: interpretation means and how the legislation is actually playing out
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  Speaker 5: in people's lives. I mean, we're seeing in my own
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  Speaker 5: home state of South Australia, we've got men being housed
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  Speaker 5: with women in a women's prison, and there are women
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  Speaker 5: who have claimed that they've been sexually assaulted. So you know,
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  Speaker 5: this is a sex discrimination commissioner who has been charged with,
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  Speaker 5: you know, protecting women and per interpretation of the Act
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  Speaker 5: is providing the ambiguity required that men are actually able
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  Speaker 5: to now go into women's spaces and threaten their safety.
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  Speaker 2: So I've got to ask you about the Labor senator
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  Speaker 2: who was chairing the committee. It's not just that you
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  Speaker 2: had doctor Anna Cody betraying women, but then you had
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  Speaker 2: the female chair the Labor Senator Yanna Stewart jump in
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  Speaker 2: to accuse you of verbaling the Sex Discrimination Commission, which
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you were, and essentially to try to
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  Speaker 2: get her off the hook.
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  Speaker 3: What did you make of that?
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  Speaker 5: I think it is a demonstration of this labor government
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  Speaker 5: and they don't want their own activism and ideologies to
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  Speaker 5: be tested. They are a government that has proven that
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  Speaker 5: they're not interested in transparency. It's a government who has
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  Speaker 5: their own agenda and unfortunately they are incredibly disciplined when
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  Speaker 5: it comes to enforcing them. So I wasn't surprised by
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  Speaker 5: the interjection of the chair. It is disappointing because I
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  Speaker 5: think when you've got a taxpayer funded sex discrimination commissioner
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  Speaker 5: who is enable to tell you the difference between a
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  Speaker 5: man and a woman because she's not a medical expert,
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  Speaker 5: so apparently we now have to be medical experts to
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  Speaker 5: be able to.
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  Speaker 8: Tell the difference.
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  Speaker 5: I almost find it. You know, if it wasn't real,
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  Speaker 5: you'd think it was a script from a sitcom. So disappointing,
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  Speaker 5: but not surprising.
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  Speaker 2: You know what was amazing to me, and I said
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  Speaker 2: it at the top of the show. She gave the
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  Speaker 2: same answer back in October. I can't believe she didn't
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  Speaker 2: understand this question would be asked again at this estimates hearing,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sure at the next estimates hearing you or
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  Speaker 2: someone else will ask again. And the good news for
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  Speaker 2: me is the editorials just write themselves. Leah BLI, thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much for joining me. I really appreciate it well.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break where being warned power prices
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  Speaker 2: will rise significantly unless we speed up the role out
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  Speaker 2: of renewable energy. Plus, I'll tell you why Chris Bowen's
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  Speaker 2: plan to force energy retailers to provide free power during
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  Speaker 2: the day is not as good as it sounds. Barnaby
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  Speaker 2: Joyce will join me after this break. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 2: the program. We're continually told that renewable energy is the
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  Speaker 2: cheapest form of energy, and yet the more renewable energy
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  Speaker 2: we have, the more the price of energy seems to
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  Speaker 2: go up. And when you point this out, the answer
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  Speaker 2: is always the same, We just need more renewable energy.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now is newly independent MP Barnaby Joyce. Barnaby,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the program. The Australian Energy Market
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  Speaker 2: Commission has today warned power prices will rise another thirteen
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  Speaker 2: percent early next decade unless the rollout of renewables is accelerated.
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  Speaker 3: What do you make of that?
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  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I'm I don't live here. This
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  Speaker 6: is the restaurant where I'm having us after.
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  Speaker 11: Don't put the grand piano out of your head. Look,
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  Speaker 11: how dumb do they think we are? That's the question.
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  Speaker 11: Or how dumb are you? That's the other question. As
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  Speaker 11: we've had more and more intermittence work what they call
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  Speaker 11: it renewables, do they grow themselves? Do they magically arrive
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  Speaker 11: in the paddock, or they didn't need steel and they
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  Speaker 11: didn't need copper, and they didn't need a cabin and lead.
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  Speaker 6: Now they're not renewable, they're.
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  Speaker 11: Intermittent, and they're intermittent different to other countries where you
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  Speaker 11: might have hydro electricity, which is I suppose renewable.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: But this is.
• 20:30
  Speaker 11: Intermediate power And the only reason they're building them is
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: because of the swindle factor, the capacity investment schemes. So listen,
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: mister teal Seeds and missus tel Seeds, why do you
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: want the person down the street to make a windfall
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: game out of your stupidity? Follow the money, ladies and gentlemen.
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: Now the power price is not going to go down.
• 20:48
  Speaker 11: It's not going to go down because nowhere else in
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: the world where they have intimate power solar and wind
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: has ever gone down.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: You were just going to get more and more and
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: more into strife.
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: Now this is one of the good things about no
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: longer being part of the coalition.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: I want the coalition to win, make no mistake about that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: I want the coalition to win. But you have to
• 21:08
  Speaker 11: build coal fire power stations. Oh I wish I hadn't
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: said that.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: That's truth.
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: You have to build coal fire power stations and get
• 21:16
  Speaker 11: base load power going. And if you want to know
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: where I'm getting that information from the Chinese economy, the
• 21:21
  Speaker 11: Indian economy, economies around the world which are building coal
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: fire power stations.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: You can have some interimendence, no doubt about that.
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: But you can't have all intermittence because that is insanity
• 21:33
  Speaker 11: and where what they think you are is insane.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Barby.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: The other problem with the advice from the Australian Energy
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Market Commission is they say we.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Need to accelerate go even quicker with renewables.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: That's been part of the problem, hasn't it that there's
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: not enough base load power to make it reliable?
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: It's just like saying, if you run faster off the cliff,
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: it won't hurt.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: When you get the rocks. Now is going to hurt.
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: Just because your path has roses beside it and it
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: goes off a cliff doesn't mean it doesn't hurt when you.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: Hit the rocks. And right now, James, they're saying, oh,
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: this is really bad.
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: You know, we might have to keep those cal fire
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: powerstations going for a little bit longer.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: I wonder why, because in a minute they work. It's
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: a swindle. It's a ripoff.
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: And your pain, sucker, your pain, you know, your stupidity,
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: your pain out of.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: Guilt, your home. I'm got to stop it. I'm going
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: to stop global warming.
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: Your guilt is giving these people an absolutely unsigned check from.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: You, tax payer, where you are going to.
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: Pay them an incredible amount of billions and billions and
• 22:42
  Speaker 11: billions of dollars of money. And we know we've got
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: to do is just say, okay, the gig is up.
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: We're building new coal fire power stations. The capacity investment
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: schemes are gone finished. You either stand on your own
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: two feet in the marketplace or you go broken. We
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: don't care if you go broke because you're a ripoff
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: merchant to start off.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: With, no getting more and more and more.
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: Of the problem is like saying, if I eat a
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: little bit more lead, I'll feel better.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: That's the problem. I haven't eaten enough lead. I've got
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: to eat more lead and then I will feel healthy. No,
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: you'll die.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: You talk about people feeling guilty. One person who should
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: feel guilty is energy minister Chris Bowen. He's got a
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: plan to force energy retailers to provide free power during
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: the day, but that's been slammed by a leading energy expert.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Victoria Energy Policy Center Director Bruce Mountain says Bowen's plan
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: for free energy during the day will just favor wealthy
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: people who work from home, and they'll just use that
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: opportunity to charge their evs, while the lower income folk
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: are off at work not able to benefit from the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: free power during the day. He said them I quote,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I think it's likely to provide a highly regressive subsidy
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: to affluent homeowners, particularly those with electric vehicles. This is
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: just another ill thought out policy from is Bohen crazy?
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: It's crazy and this base to the Labor Party. This
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: was formed by a party that represented sharers. It was
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: formed in bar Harton under the tree of knowledge. Now
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: you know that because you know I actually listen to them,
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: Jade said, because that's when you can operate your pool ump. Okay,
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: So to the Heartland Labor Party voters who live in flats,
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: how's your pool pump going to go in that flat
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: in the middle of the day, Well, actually when you
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: come home, because all this thing matches up. If it's
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: free there, it's hyper expensive over here. Because make no
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: mistake about it, these companies are going to get a.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: Return and they've been told you've got to make it
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: free there.
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: They're going to say, that's fine, China, I'm just going
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: to jack up the price here.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: And so what you're going to see.
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: What you're going to see is that when people, when
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: the normal mums and dads come home from work, that
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: their price is going to be exponentially higher. And who's
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: going to help those who either weren't at work or
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: didn't need to work at work?
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: How does that work?
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: All right?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I tell you the other group of people that are
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: really upset, and that's farmers, and they've got every right
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: In Victoria.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: You've got farmers now blocking the government from accessing land.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: This is a confrontation over a renewable energy project that
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: labour say is vital if they're going to hit their
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: goal of ninety five percent renewables by twenty thirty five.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: So you've got vic Grid.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: They're trying to conduct surveys on farmland for V and
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I West, but around four hundred farmers are using their
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: vehicles to form a blockade. This is significant because under
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: a new Victorian law, anyone obstructing access to a property
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: could face fines of up to six thousand dollars.
• 25:42
  Speaker 12: Have a listen how people that are fighting this are
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: prepared to stand there and still denying access and if
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: the police think it necessary, if that's what it comes
• 25:51
  Speaker 12: to their the law in enforcement enforcement officers will allow
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: them to do their job if that's meaning fines. How
• 26:00
  Speaker 12: people are quite quite acceptable of that. But we'll still
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: stay there and deny access.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Barnaby the images there are all those cars and trucks.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: You've got four hundred farmers blockading their properties. This is
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: shaping up as a full blown rural rebellion against the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: government's energy transition.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: Not just there, it's all through here.
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: It's in my elector in New England, and I've been
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: speaking to Andrew Wheedhaman and others and offer my full support.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: This is the socialization of our private assets.
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: If I say to people in the city, imagine if
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: I said, I'm demand to be able to put an
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: extension cord through the middle of your house, through your kitchen,
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: through your living room, over your TV, through your toilet
• 26:42
  Speaker 11: and out the window beside it, and then I will
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: have absolute.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: Access to that extension cord.
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: And if you stand in my way to that extension cord,
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: I'm going to send you to jail.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's what's happening. We're allowing them.
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: We believe where you know, private enterprise or conservatives, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: we allow the most this reprehensible form of socialism to
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: come into our lives, and we don't blink. Well, people
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: are now buling up, and you should support those farmers
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: because they are fighting against.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Socialism, and so should you.
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: So should you because we don't believe that the government
• 27:16
  Speaker 11: should just walk in to help the Capacity Investment Scheme
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: proponents to help the billionaires become multiple billionaires, and the
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: Chinese state owned organizations owned by the Chinese government to
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: become mega to make more money out of you fools,
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: mean falls all the fools, and they put their transmission
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: lies in.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: But here's the gig.
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: If you say I sort of believe in that zero,
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: will you believe in the transmission lines? I sort of
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: believe in that zero. Will you believe in the soul
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: of swindle factories? I sort of believe in that zero. Well,
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: then you believe in the wind tows. I sort of
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: believe in that zero where you're happy with your power
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: bill going through the roof. So don't believe in that rubbish.
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: Believe in base low power, believe in cal fire power,
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: believe in logic. Don't jump off the cliff and support
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: those farmers because they're fighting against socialism.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: And I don't know.
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: When I joined politics under the Queensland Nationals, we didn't
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: like socialism, but now we've got all these people making
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: excuses for socialism.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Of course, Barnaby, you've left the Nationals.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: When can we expect you to announce that you've joined
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: one nation pretty soon?
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: But I haven't.
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: I haven't finalized that decision. But you know I'm not
• 28:29
  Speaker 11: going to jerk people around. I'll come to conclusions. It's
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: a huge decision you know, one, I need time to
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: really work it out in my own head, and after
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: thirty years with the National Party, it's not something I
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: do flippantly.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Sorry, just to clarify.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: When you say pretty soon, do you mean pretty soon
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: you'll announce that you've joined one nation or pretty soon you're.
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: Pretty soon I'll make up my mind. And whether I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: joining one nation or not.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Are there ongoing negotiations or is it purely now the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: balls in your court?
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: I just there's both. I suppose you go, look, it's
• 29:02
  Speaker 11: a serious thing. It's I haven't got here lightly. This
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: is this is absolutely It's like a political relationships are
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: like a marriage relationship. You know, you don't just flippantly
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: jump out of it. You think about it for a long,
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: long period of time, and you probably you know. I
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: was reading notes that basically that like diary notes are
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: written to myself over a year ago, and it really
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: sort of affirmed exactly the same view as I have now.
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: My relationship within the party had broken down. It was
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: untenable to go on the way it is. I'm not
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: being effective to the people I need to represent in
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: that form of relationship. I have to get myself into
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: a position where there's some.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: Have to be efficacious in what I do.
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: Otherwise I'm wasting my time. So my decision is not
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: really to remain where I am. It's to go somewhere else.
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: Go somewhere else, or get out.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: They're my two options.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: So pretty soon means different things to different people, but
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: pretty soon to me means probably next week.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: People trying salami slize me. You're not going to be
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: waiting much longer.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: There, Barnaby Joyce. It's always a delight to speak with you.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I'll let you go and tink her on the ivories
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: behind you. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: If only I could play it, then I would have
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: had a better breed. I wouldn't have gone all in
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: public school if I could play that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Thanks mate, I appreciate your time. All right, we're going
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: to go to a break. Coming up.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: In a moment of protest, her in Victoria charged after
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: gluing herself to furniture in the State Parliament's public gallery. Also,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: she could apparently growl Jacinta Ellen, something we've probably all
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: wanted to do. That and more with my panel after this,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: we'll have a look at Labour's twenty one year old
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Senator Charlotte Walker shrieking like she's just won a car
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: on breakfast radio because she's getting twenty percent knocked off
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: her Hextead Harris, I.
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: Got a text, hushtig s get out today.
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: Hush tig time to plan.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Dear me now, Charlotte earns around two hundred and thirty
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year as a senator, which means that
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: over the next six years she's going to pocket well
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: over a million dollars plus have a taxpayer funded car,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: plus all sorts of entitlements plus staff.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: But wait, if.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: That's not enough, a chunk of her HEX debt is
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: being generously covered by well you no wonder she's ecstatic.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is Jemma Tolnini from GT Communications and
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: President of the Western Australian Liberals, Caroline de Russo.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Caroline, it must be great to be a labor senator.
• 31:43
  Speaker 13: Yeah, well, it's pretty hard to watch that as an
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: Australian taxpayer. I'll give you the hot tip that there's
• 31:49
  Speaker 13: not the only video. There was one where she had
• 31:51
  Speaker 13: pretended to fall over the top of a one of
• 31:54
  Speaker 13: those Sangwich board signs. A couple of weeks ago. And look,
• 31:58
  Speaker 13: this is meant to be a serious job.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: An I get that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: You know, you might want to you know, engage with
• 32:04
  Speaker 13: or you know, a younger audience and whatever, but you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 13: that's a job. That's a privilege, and you should behave
• 32:12
  Speaker 13: like an adult and behave like it's a privilege. And
• 32:14
  Speaker 13: the shrieking and the carrying on, and you know, like,
• 32:18
  Speaker 13: good luck to her earning the money and having won
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: her spot. I don't want to take that away from
• 32:23
  Speaker 13: her at all, but I just wonder whether she's got
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: the maturity to actually understand the great privilege she has
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: sitting in our parliament.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Well you mention her social media videos. I follow her
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: on Instagram because it's so entertaining. I don't know that
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it's particularly effective, but I always get a good laugh
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: from the videos. Or maybe I'm laughing at her, not
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: mean to disrespect her, but they're pretty crazy videos. Jim
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: does social media videos like this resonate in the Electric
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Jason Claire is there beside her in that video. Do
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: you think he was made to do that or do
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: you think he believes that's his way of connecting with
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: the younger generation.
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, Jason Clay didn't have a gun to
• 33:04
  Speaker 9: his head, so obviously he's there because he wants to be.
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: It's a senior minister in the government. He can say,
• 33:10
  Speaker 9: get back in your box, kit. I'm not doing something
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: so utterly ridiculous and insulting to the Australian Parliament. But
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: let's come back a step, James. You said before, you
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: know respect, don't want to disrespect the senator. Respect is earned.
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: Respect isn't given. You know, you don't respect the person
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: just because people voted her into the house. Respect is
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: earned and nothing that I have seen from this junior
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: member of Parliament, this junior senator.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Has.
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: Given me cause for respect. This is the ultimate privilege.
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: She works for you, she works for me. There is
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: a country in all manner of crises at the moment,
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: across economics, social fracturing, security, sovereign risk, employment. The list
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: is long, and you would think that as a young
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: woman in her position, she would feel the weight of
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: that responsibility and act accordingly. Not like it's just some giggle,
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: you know. Doddal University, Doddle like I'm on student council.
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: I was a fun fact, James, I accidentally got elected
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: to a lot Caroline knows where I'm going with this.
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: I accidentally got elected to Student Guild Council on a
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: Labor Unity ticket, not joking. My friend promised that I
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: would never get elected if I just put my name
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: last on the ballot. Well, he campaigned like a maniac
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: and we all got elected. And I saw firsthand just
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: the waste that goes on in those organizations. So my
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: point of reference is that, and I look at this
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: young woman and say, that's where she belongs. Doesn't belong
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: in the big house. She belongs back in that university
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: before she grow so she can grow up.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think she'd be Robinson Crusoe on that one.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And it's not only Australia's politicians who are crazy. Many
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: of our citizens seem crazy too. There was a woman
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: arrested in Victoria after she glued herself to furniture in
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the Parliament's public gallery. Now, according to The Herald's son,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the woman stood up in the gallery and began screaming
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I've come to growl at Jacinta Allen. She was disputing
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: the crime policy that would see young offenders serve adult
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: time for violent crime that's expected to pass in the Parliament.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: This week, the sixty one year old was charged with
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: willful damage, refusing to state her name, refusing to leave parliament,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and hindering an authorized officer. Caroline, I can think of
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: about fifty things that I would love to growl at.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Jacinta Allen about adult crime or time for violent crime
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: is probably not one of them.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: No, probably not.
• 35:37
  Speaker 13: Look, I do admit to occasionally yelling at the television screen,
• 35:40
  Speaker 13: but from the comfort of my own home and not
• 35:42
  Speaker 13: the public gallery. I mean, again, totally unacceptable behavior, like
• 35:47
  Speaker 13: where is the basic standard decency? And essentially, if you
• 35:53
  Speaker 13: are going to carry on like that, you're going to
• 35:55
  Speaker 13: glue yourself to the banister, You're going to growl at
• 35:58
  Speaker 13: the premiere. You're essentially saying that, Well, she's essentially saying
• 36:02
  Speaker 13: that she does not have the intellectual ability, the intellectual
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: stamina to argue whatever her objection is in relation to
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: this piece of legislation. So it takes us to this point, James,
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: where the bar gets lower, the standards gets lower, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: literally we're at the point where everyone thinks that this
• 36:23
  Speaker 13: person thinks that a reasonable political conversation is growling at
• 36:27
  Speaker 13: someone over arrayling. We need to lift the standards if
• 36:29
  Speaker 13: you want better discourse and better outcomes.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Jemmy, are you surprised to see this happen in Victoria?
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: Well, I feel like it's very on brand for twenty
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: twenty five Victoria. If it's going to happen in any
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: state in Australia, it's going to be Victoria. I don't
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: know what to say. It is deeply, deeply unusual behavior
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: and as Caroline said, it's unacceptable and politicians, for their many,
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: many faults, sins of omission and commission, do deserve to
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: feel safe and that would be deeply unsettling.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Interested In a Daily Telegraph report today extolling the virtues
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of what it called vertical living for Australia's next generation
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: of retirees, the article says, backyards are out, balconies are in,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and for retirees, the sky's the limit.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: By vertical living, I think they mean cramming retirees into
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: high rise apartments, which doesn't sound half as sexy as
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: vertical living. The article continues, quote the tallest retirement village
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: in Australia, the Cambridge, recently opened with three seniors ab
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: sailing down the new building's twenty eight stories in Epping,
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales. It's all very exciting, Carolina. Are they
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: trying to put lipstick on a pig here?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Well, probably a little bit.
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  Speaker 13: You can have a vertical garden, I suppose, in your
• 37:46
  Speaker 13: vertical living. Even here in Australia, even older people look
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: they do downsize, but they generally have a bit more
• 37:52
  Speaker 13: than an apartment. Overseas, it's very common for everyone to
• 37:55
  Speaker 13: live in apartments, not just retirees or elderly people. So
• 38:00
  Speaker 13: for us it's probably more of a cultural thing. But
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: you know what, James, if it's your choice to live
• 38:05
  Speaker 13: in there and that there, you want something that's lock
• 38:07
  Speaker 13: and leave so you can travel or whatever. If that's
• 38:10
  Speaker 13: your choice and that's the way that you want to live,
• 38:13
  Speaker 13: knock your socks off. I guess with any sort of
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: development is making sure that there's enough diversity in housing
• 38:21
  Speaker 13: development to make sure that you know, people have the
• 38:23
  Speaker 13: sort of options of how they want to live. Well,
• 38:27
  Speaker 13: maybe it's small villas or maybe its apartments or townhouses
• 38:31
  Speaker 13: or whatever, and it's about getting that variety of housing
• 38:33
  Speaker 13: stock to make sure that people have that choice.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the issue I have with this, Jemy. Do
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  Speaker 2: you think that older people really are excited about living
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: in a high rise unit or do you think they're
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: being told that they're excited because such as a situation
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  Speaker 2: in our country, that's all they're going to get.
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: I don't know the answer to that question, but good
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: luck telling a boomer to be excited about something that
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: they have no interest in being excited about. As for
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: me my retirement, well, I won't retire because I'm Italian
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: and Italians don't retire. It's just facts, so I won't
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: be retiring. But I should I leave the city.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be on a little bit of land.
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: I'll have some donkeys, three chooks named after my nona
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: and her two sisters. I'll have the world's bigause veggie garden.
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: You won't find me one of those things. But currently,
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: currently I live in an apartment because it is convenient.
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: I lock and leave a travel affair bit for work.
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: As Caroline said, it's my choice. I don't want to
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: ever see Australia become one of those countries where we
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: socially engineer people into these sorts of choices. My late
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: father and my mother, my brother and I always said
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: the same thing. You stay in that house as long
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: as you want. You earned it, You earned it. You
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: stay there as long as you want.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: All right, Really quickly, I wanted to ask you about
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: this story. A Christmas quinch in Canada has put up
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: a sign in their window saying Santa isn't real.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Qute outrage.
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: Here's what online post claim was in the window. Santa
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: is fake, Sata is not real. Your pair pants are said,
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: and your family buys your presence the fiends. So the
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: local police say they went and talked with the person
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: responsible and they removed the science. To clarify, this is
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: not illegal in Canada. This is protected by free speech laws,
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: and it was on somebody's private property. But police emphasizing
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: that they would hope that instead of being a grinch,
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: people would follow the spirit of the season and be
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: a little more communal and faster, more positivity.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Caroline, what's more surprising that people call the police or
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: that the police bother to turn up.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: And talk to the homeowner?
• 40:35
  Speaker 13: Well, that's the question. Isn't there something else the police
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: could be doing? And yes, I know it's covered by
• 40:41
  Speaker 13: free speech. It's technically the truth as well inconvenient for
• 40:46
  Speaker 13: the parents of young children, but it is technically the
• 40:49
  Speaker 13: truth why the police are attending at someone's house because
• 40:54
  Speaker 13: you know, some busybody. Can you imagine making that phone call?
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: Can you imagine seeing that sign is someone's window and
• 41:00
  Speaker 13: go The cops have to come and have a discussion
• 41:03
  Speaker 13: about this. I mean, it is absent. The whole thing
• 41:05
  Speaker 13: is ludicrous and it just shows that people have got
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: too much time on their hair.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: It absolutely does.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Gem I'm so sorry I've run out of time, but
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: to both of you, thanks for joining me.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I always enjoy our discussions.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: All right, coming up after the break, we're going to
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: go to the UK, where the government is becoming even
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: more Orwellian if you can believe it, and you won't
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: believe what they're up to now Tom Slater will join
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: me in just a moment.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Well, if people already.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Had concerns about privacy in the UK, they're about to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: have conniptions. The Kyostarma government wants police to be given
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: access to Britain's passport database so they can compare photos
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: with images of crime suspects captured on CCTV doorbells and
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: dash cams. But it gets even more Orwellian than that.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: The Labor government is proposing that police could roll out
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: live facial recognition cameras across crime hotspots all over the country.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is live from London, Spiked Online editor
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Tom Slater. Tom, If it helps catch bad guys, what's
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the problem?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's always the argument, isn't it, James?
• 42:13
  Speaker 14: I guess the problem is what it means for our privacy,
• 42:15
  Speaker 14: what it means for our civil liberties, particularly under a
• 42:17
  Speaker 14: Keir Starmer labor government that seems to be setting out
• 42:20
  Speaker 14: to trash all of them. These facial recognition cameras have
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: been being used at kind of large events and protests
• 42:26
  Speaker 14: and so on by various police forces for some time now,
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: But what they're really talking about is putting the whole
• 42:31
  Speaker 14: program on steroids, potentially giving them access to.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Britain's passport database.
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: What could possibly go wrong using evidence as you see
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: in footage from people's doorbell cameras and so on, and
• 42:42
  Speaker 14: then rolling it out across the country. I mean, Britain
• 42:45
  Speaker 14: is already, last time I checked, the most surveiled country
• 42:48
  Speaker 14: kind of this side of Shinjang. To incorporate this is
• 42:51
  Speaker 14: really alarming, And of course the people will say that
• 42:54
  Speaker 14: will help catch the bad guys and so on and
• 42:56
  Speaker 14: so forth. You can make that argument about almost any
• 42:58
  Speaker 14: sort of authoritarian move and I would hope that a
• 43:01
  Speaker 14: government supposedly led by human rights lawyer would recognize that
• 43:03
  Speaker 14: this is a big problem and will hopefully change course.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, UK householders are facing the prospect not
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: just of being surveilled everywhere they go, but also of
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: higher household bills to fund expensive renewable projects. To our viewers,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: that'll be a very familiar theme. It's happening all around
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: the western world. It's expected billions of pounds will be
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: added in green subsidies to recoup costs after it was
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: revealed renewable projects weren't outlined in the Chancellor's latest budget.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: So I got to ask, were the cost of green
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: subsidies omitted from the budget by accident or were they hidden?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: How could something that large not have been front and
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: center in the budget.
• 43:45
  Speaker 14: I mean, I like you, James, it's flabbergasted that maybe
• 43:48
  Speaker 14: Rachel Reeves, our Chancellor, hasn't been completely honest with us.
• 43:51
  Speaker 14: That's sort of defined the budgets when anyone he might
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: have been following it over there, Rachel Reeves not letting
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: on about various different things, even misleading the public about
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: her supposed fiscal black hole in order to make the
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: case for tax risers. And this seems to be another
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: detail which has basically been buried. It's fallen to the
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: Office for Budget Responsibility, this source of the quango within
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: government that keeps an eye on the finances, and it's
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: found that one billion a year, as you say, will
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: be added to household energy bills as a result of
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: Ed Milliband or Energy Secretary's latest wheeze.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: And I think the fact that they have to hide
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: it is pretty telling.
• 44:24
  Speaker 14: I think, for a long time, because economically times were
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: a little bit better than they certainly are right now,
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: it was a lot easier for governments to say, you
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: know what, we need to make your cost of living
• 44:34
  Speaker 14: more expensive to save quote unquote the planet. People are
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: not putting up with that now this is a much
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: more live political issue, and as I say, it's pretty
• 44:41
  Speaker 14: revealing that they keep having to come up with all
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: of these quite underhanded tactics in order to obscure what
• 44:47
  Speaker 14: it is that they're doing, which is making people less
• 44:49
  Speaker 14: well off, to satisfy and calm the consciences of people
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: who are pretty well off in government and all of
• 44:56
  Speaker 14: the climate NGOs. So it's very very telling. I think
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: that they have to be so sneaky.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: It honestly seems like every day in the UK the
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: government hands another gift to Nigel Ferra's Reform Party, whether
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: it's on privacy, or whether it's on green subsidies, or
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: whether it's on illegal immigration. I mean, Nigel Faras must
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: wake up every morning and run to the front lawn
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: to read the paper to see what labor have given
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: him this time.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: It certainly feels like that.
• 45:25
  Speaker 14: I mean, if this government is trying to see off
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: the threat of reform, them having a terrible go of it.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: And it's that combination, is it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 14: It's the fact that this government has proved themselves to
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: be so inect with their management of public finances, with
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: their ability to get on top of a legal migration.
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: They said they wanted to smash the gangs that have
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: been smashing the records for the number of illegal entrants
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: making their way.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Across the channel.
• 45:45
  Speaker 14: But they're also really playing into this sense which Reformer
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: making a lot of hay out of that this government
• 45:50
  Speaker 14: is not just useless but actually kind of sinister, kind
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: of authoritarian. They do want to crack down on free speech.
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: They do want to crack down on privacy, They want
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: to crack down on jury trials, which has been another
• 45:59
  Speaker 14: thing that been royaling our politics over the past week,
• 46:02
  Speaker 14: and it just plays perfectly into that narrative, which is
• 46:05
  Speaker 14: that this government is not just hapless, useless, not up
• 46:09
  Speaker 14: to the job, but that by the end of this
• 46:11
  Speaker 14: term we're going to end up a much less free
• 46:13
  Speaker 14: country than we were at the beginning, which is really
• 46:14
  Speaker 14: resonating with a lot of votes.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I think there's another thing happening in the UK at
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the moment that got my attention. The Health Secretary has
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: ordered an inquiry into the diagnosis of mental health issues
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: because more and more people are claiming sick benefits or
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: just saying they can't work at all. Nearly four and
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: a half million Brits claim benefits for incapacity, prompting fears that.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Not all of them are legitimate.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: And most concerning is the number of people claiming benefits
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: because they have ADHD, particularly young people, to the point
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: where Labour are now considering no benefits for people under
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the age of twenty two. Obviously this is a massive
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: impulst on the budget, but there's a lot of opposition
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: within the government to any changes, I suppose because they
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: fear backlash from so many millions of people claiming these benefits.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: What's the government going to do well, They're.
• 47:05
  Speaker 14: Going to the lawn this independent review of the diagnosis
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: of mental health and the Health service, because it has
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: been this sharp rise in diagnosis of ADHD as you say, autism,
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: various different forms of mental illness, and it's in the
• 47:16
  Speaker 14: context of the fact that we have seen this sharp
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: rise in people claiming sickness benefits, and that rises primarily.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Amongst kind of mental health issues.
• 47:23
  Speaker 14: You've got young people who are basically being put out
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: to pasture off the back of what previously we might
• 47:28
  Speaker 14: call quite mild issues around anxiety. And it's clearly an
• 47:32
  Speaker 14: issue of overdiagnosis in the health service. It's something like
• 47:34
  Speaker 14: nearly one in four adults according to the NHS, have
• 47:37
  Speaker 14: depression or anxiety. That is clearly not a reflection of
• 47:41
  Speaker 14: the mental health of the nation, and clearly a reflection
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: of a country and a culture which has been kind
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: of encouraging people to see themselves in this way over
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: diagnosing them and it's about time someone looked into it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 14: I think of course, as you say, there's these fears
• 47:54
  Speaker 14: of this backlash not just from the people who are
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: claiming these benefits, but also just from the general great
• 47:59
  Speaker 14: and good, mean spirited or anti mental health or what
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: have you. I don't think there's anything positive about taking
• 48:06
  Speaker 14: an entire generation, in particular, encouraging them to feel so vulnerable,
• 48:10
  Speaker 14: unable to take their own lives by the scruff of
• 48:12
  Speaker 14: the neck, and then just leaving them to work, you know,
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: basically just languish on benefits. And now the government is
• 48:21
  Speaker 14: looking at it because they've been hit by the hard
• 48:23
  Speaker 14: fiscal realities of trying to preside over this health service.
• 48:26
  Speaker 14: But I think that in and of itself, there's a
• 48:27
  Speaker 14: kind of moral duty to make sure that we don't
• 48:29
  Speaker 14: make this problem any deeper.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Indeed, Tom Slater, I always enjoy speaking with you. Thanks
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: for joining me from London tonight. Well that's all I've
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: got time for stick around. Coming up right now is
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: my good friend Dannika di Giorgio filling in for Sherry.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Good Night.