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EDP37: New York City Marathon / Noosa Bolt / Eoin's Spanish Training Camp · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 37.
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  We're recording on a Monday night in the 30° heat in Perth
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  and heat may be the theme of this week's episode.
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  CNS Owen is joining us from Campo de Entremiento Diskin,
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  which means training Camp Diskin over in Spain.
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  Welcome, Owen. I'm live from the oven, which is
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  Spain. I'm back in at the last time I
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  was in the oven was parts with you guys.
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  So yeah, I know it's I'm definitely getting cooked, but
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  hopefully just not too much. So what it's like been late
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  October, early November and you've have you still been
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  getting consistent like low to mid 20s every day?
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  Oh. Yeah, like right now it's 20°
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  and it's humid enough in the evenings.
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  Like for my track session last last Thursday, I think it was
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  like 84% humidity, which Dean, the weatherman, I don't know if
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  that's good or bad, but I was dripping in sweat.
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  Do you know that front runner, like the light singler?
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  That was literally plastic thing.
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  So yeah, I know it's warm. But yeah, be a good little place
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  for a city breaks that, you know, English and British and
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  Irish people are always like chasing a bit of winter sun.
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  It's hard to kind of find anywhere this time of year
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  that's still actually warm. Coach could be on to something
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  with a little Airbnb there. The South of Spain is like,
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  yeah, it's warm all year round, I think so, yeah.
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  Up on this nice little training camps.
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  Yeah. I think Ben O'Connor or Ben
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  Connor, he's out here as well somewhere.
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  He ran some of the routes that I run and so I might try and slide
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  into his DMS this week, maybe go for a job with him, pick his
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  brand and. That'll be class.
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  Yeah. And Dean, you, how are you
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  getting on in this 30°? He's the first of many, I'm
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  sure. Yeah, no doing well.
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  Yeah, no feeling. It's a little bit warmer today,
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  but probably not gotten too hot just yet.
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  Dare I say it's probably a bit drier than what it is over in
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  Spain. But no, I'm feeling well,
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  excited to talk with you guys. Yeah, I don't know if you've
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  done any outdoor activity today, but I went for a ride before my
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  throat was just getting slammed like dry every 5 minutes, having
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  to swig on the water constantly. Yeah.
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  And that's where we're normally a bit lucky in the sense that if
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  it is hot, it's a bit dry, not 84% humidity, which is getting
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  up there. That's what I do in my Irish
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  sheet waves for like all the summer and like the dry throat
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  feeling, all that sort of stuff. So yes, no Time news got it as
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  well. Yeah, no, it's not.
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  Not to bang on about climate, but it is very different between
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  being dry. And that's why the dew point
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  score plus the air temperature score is the relevant score,
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  because in Perth it could sometimes be, say, 30°, but the
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  dew point's about 5 or 6. Someone just sees the headline
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  of 30° and thinks they're cooking.
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  But it could be 25 degrees, 100% humidity, and that's far worse.
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  So sounds like yeah, that low 20s high humidity is from
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  Ireland's made its way over to Spain.
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  Slightly different point of view on it as well, but the the UV
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  side of things, I was intrigued by that.
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  Becky's been educating me that like say of an evening time,
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  5:00 PM, although it could still be 30° and the sunshine and if
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  the UV is like no down to 234, you're pretty safe to be exposed
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  on the skin. But if the UV is like ace plus,
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  it could be only 2223° and you'd be getting fried.
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  As a, as a parent of very fair skinned and orange haired little
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  ones, you you become very conscious of the UV index and
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  you can get like a little widget on your phone.
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  And so yeah, I think anything 3 and above you, you got to put
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  some sun cream on, or at least house enforces that at home.
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  So people might be listening to this thinking like, how did you
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  not know that? That's obvious.
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  But I guess that's where like golden hour comes from then,
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  because you're protected from AUV point of view and you can
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  just get that last bit of tan top up.
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  You're, you were very bronzed last summer, Ryan, So I'm
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  assuming you'll be, you'll be straight on to that bit of is it
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  bad oil or coconut oil or what's your secret?
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  No, I actually burn pretty quickly, but and then it peels
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  and it's just rinse and repeats go brown pale, go brown pale.
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  It's vicious cycle. There you go, Bryce.
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  We've got plenty of running to talk anyway, so we we best get
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  into it. We had New York City Marathon
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  last night and domestically Noosa Bolt happened and then
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  we'll have all the usual fun news item agenda, news item
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  agenda things cropping up here and there.
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  So we'll start with New York, I guess.
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  So low Noosa happened. New York is worldwide and global
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  and concerns everyone. So bit of background on the
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  race. I'm sure everyone's familiar
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  with it, but obviously it's one of what was 6, what is now 7
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  major marathons across the world, first round in 1970.
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  And the cool thing about this one is it's it's organized by
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  the New York Rd. runners. So I gather that they are like
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  huge now and obviously have so much involvement, but it's
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  literally been established by like the local New York Road
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  Running Club. The first ever rendition of it
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  was just 4 laps around Central Park and there's only 127
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  entrants and it must been a bit of a shit day because only 55 of
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  them finished. Since then it's graduated into a
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  point to point course because part of the reputation that goes
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  with it is like the five boroughs.
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  So it starts in Staten Island. So this change happened in 1976.
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  Starting Staten Island, you run through Brooklyn, Queens, the
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  Bronx and Manhattan and you actually start up a pretty steep
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  bridge. So I think like that first mile
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  or so, you just send it uphill. And then the second mile in
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  direct comparison, you send it downhill.
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  So no chance to get much rhythm going, but you still finish in
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  Central Park. And for context of the results
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  that we're going to talk about, the men's course record is Two O
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  458 by Tamrat Toller 2 years ago and the women's stands from 2003
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  or well, spoiler alert, it's stored up until yesterday from
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  2003 by Margaret Akayo, 2/22/31. She's a Kenyan lady, so slightly
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  ahead of her time back in 2003, running 222 Miss Margaret.
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  Just a comment on that men's record.
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  So because didn't Tolla toll? Tolla dominated the Paris
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  Olympics, didn't he, in the marathon and he would have ran
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  in the year prior? The fastest time on, I think New
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  York Marathon has about 250 odd meters of elevation.
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  I remember that Paris course had quite a elevation profile to it
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  and this guy's come in and run the fastest time in New York,
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  you know, the year before the Olympics.
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  And then he didn't get selected right.
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  Like he remember he was a late call up I think for the
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  Ethiopian team. He wasn't in the in the first 3.
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  So I don't know. Yeah, you're right.
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  Crazy when you look back at it. Now you say it.
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  He obliterated that Paris course, didn't he?
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  Yeah, and clearly, you know, did damage on what is sort of
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  renowned, maybe ahead prior to Sydney.
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  Sydney's probably the hardest course going around right?
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  How New York is. Good question.
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  I don't remember hearing him since then.
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  I look up his world. Athletics whilst you do that,
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  we'll we'll start with the women's race and the women's
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  results. So headline is that it was won
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  by Helen O'berry of Kenya. She runs for on in a course
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  record to 1951. So for ages that 220 barrier for
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  women was seen as like, I don't know about breaking 2 for men,
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  but it was kind of like that insurmountable barrier that was
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  almost impossible to breakthrough.
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  And now Helena Beer is running sub 220 over New York, which is,
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  as we've just been saying, a famously difficult course to run
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  fast on in second was Sharon Lokady, her country woman who
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  runs for Under Armour. And it's funny because when you
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  see this look at the on the stream, you instantly like
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  associate that Under Armour vest to her because there aren't all
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  that many Under Armour athletes out there, at least I don't
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  think so. So when you see someone wearing
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  that vest, they're kind of like instantly recognizable.
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  And 3rd was Sheila Chepkarui, also of Kenya, so Kenya 123.
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  She runs for Adidas in 2/20/24. Going further down the results,
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  there was AUS woman in Fourth First American Fiona O'Keefe
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  22449 and there was one of my country women and one of Owen's
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  country women also in the top 10.
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  So we had Jess Warner Judd on her debut runs for Hokka or Hoka
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  2/24/45. And Fenolla, I hope you said
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  that right? McCormack of Ireland, our sixth
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  Lady 227 flat. And with Tamara Tola he ran
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  London earlier this year and he ran 20442 which gone 5th, so
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  that was his only run this year. Sad how you can run 20452 and
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  become seemingly irrelevant in terms of how the in terms of how
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  that women's race went. So then if Dean, you stayed up
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  for it, or if I, when you had it on live, I was, I tried to stay
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  up for it and then I was, I was slowly falling asleep, but I
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  could just, I was like, I'll watch the 1st 10 minutes, first
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  half hour and then you know, like you chip away at it like
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  this and then it's getting close towards the end.
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  Then so you're like, I'll just see the women's race finish and
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  then next thing you know, it's bloody midnight.
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  But anyway, the the women's race that they split.
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  I, I, I didn't bother this time because you know, Perth time, I
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  think it starts at like 10:00 PM our, our local time.
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  And every year I'll like make it to maybe halfway.
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  But the race that they inevitably, because do they have
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  pay? I don't think they have
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  pacemakers in this right. So it's like a match race.
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  And so as a result, it's never that hot from the start and it's
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  always you're sort of waiting for someone to make a move.
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  And I always fall asleep before it gets exciting.
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  But I do remember watching it in 2019, I think a couple of the
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  Aussies that that trained up for that went to the world champs in
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  Doha. They they raced it like
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  afterwards. So I did stay up probably that
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  time, but that was probably by exception.
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  Was that when Brett Robinson ran there?
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  Trying to remember if Brett did it, but I remember Ellie Pashley
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  and Sinead Diver. So they both raced the 10K at
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  Doha and then the Inside Running podcast did like a row two, I
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  think. And so you could, so that was
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  one of the first two like row 2 to for a specific like for their
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  race of the world champs. And then they lead up to New
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  York. And so then now we're in the
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  lightly women's group at the start.
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  So I remember watching it then, but I don't recall.
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  I just recall getting to about halfway and getting too tight
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  so. And that's exactly similar to
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  how it happened for me last night because I was like, I'll
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  just watch the star. And then you tell yourself that,
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  oh, well, you've wasted time basically just watching them
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  jog. So you might as well actually
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  make some use of staying up for the first hour and say it
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  finished. So that's how we got sucked into
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  it. But the leaders, there was a
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  pretty big group of them and the women, they split halfway in
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  7101, which is 222 pace. So you can see from that that
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  they've negative split the race. And I think that's kind of what
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  the course leans towards. And because the men kind of done
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  something similar as well, although there is a big hill
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  towards the back end. So it's very much up and down.
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  There's a group of five beyond halfway.
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  Once it got down to the nitty gritty, and that was Obiri,
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  Lekedi, Chip Kurui, Saffan Hassan.
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  She was kind of forwards, backwards, sideways here, there
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  and everywhere in typical Saffan style.
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  You'd think she'd been dropped. And I bet you the other women
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  were like kind of looking around saying she wasn't there made-up.
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  And then next minute she's just breathing down the necks again.
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  And the American woman, Fiona O'Keefe.
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  So she, she was actually looking really good as well.
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  She was almost on the front at some points.
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  And then as it kind of got to around 10K to go, there was just
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  the three of them who was the eventual podium getters and the
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  commentator. I don't know who it was because
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  it was like the American stream I was watching.
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  They referenced that these three were the 2223 and 24 winners
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  respectively. So like some serious accolades
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  between them and Chef Kurui, who is the reigning champion.
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  She won last year. She was the first to fall off
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  around 38 K. It then became Helen O'biri and
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  Lakadi. And then I think around AK or a
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  mile to go, Helen O'biri made their move.
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  And it wasn't really one of those where, you know, sometimes
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  now you see in that it just kind of gets wound up and they, they
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  can go with each other. Whereas when O'berry went here,
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  literally after like 5 yards, she'd done a shoulder check and
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  like like Caddy just was in that one gear.
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  She couldn't do anything. So she went on to win.
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  By how many seconds is that? 16 seconds?
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  And that was yeah, over like pretty much the last K or mile.
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  So you can see the damage that she's done there.
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  And I think in reading about the race, it was they were very
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  confident from O'berry's camp going into this that like kind
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  of the training that she'd done. Now she was in pretty much the
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  best spot she's ever been in. And that's kind of reflected,
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  excuse me, some of these takeaways that I found must say,
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  to be fair, let's run. I know it gets a lot of slander.
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  And we've said like that we listened to the podcast and we
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  find them funny. But even like the articles that
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  they write, they're so informative.
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  Like the the data that they dig out, it would, it must take them
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  hours like cross checking all these things because you might
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  get a theory like that must be the first time they've done that
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  in ages. And then must take you hours to
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  then sit there and sift through to cross check it.
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  And then with half of the points, you might then actually
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  find that you've disproven yourself and it's a waste of
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  time. I felt like, yeah, somewhat like
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  even like the Sidious mags and let's runs of the sort of
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  running media world. Some of it felt like a bit
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  underground media, like not very mainstream.
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  But I do feel like it's starting to bubble to the surface a bit
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  more as running becomes a bit more popular.
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  Like, is it Chris Chavez, the Sidious mag guy?
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  Like he was part of the like main commentary wasn't he for
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  this? Have I got that wrong?
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  No city has done their own broadcast and like it was
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  sponsored or brought to you by Hocker and they were in like a
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  genuine studio so they don't like a watch along on YouTube.
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  Or maybe I was thinking his commentary of the fight.
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  Was he maybe part of the 5K commentary the day before?
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  Perhaps? Maybe, yeah, but it feels like
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  it's like. Becoming more popular, what
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  they're doing right. Yeah, unlike it, it's so good to
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  kind of because you, you read the results often and you, you
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  can draw your own conclusion, but then some of the the
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  reflections and the insights that they'll give you like you,
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  I don't think you'd just never think of it off the top of your
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  head. So yeah, shout out to them
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  because you know, some of this stuff comes from them.
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  They pointed out that it's the the 7th year in a row that a
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  Kenyan woman has won New York. So making that what you will.
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  But clearly there's like some athlete, coach, agents,
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  relationships going on with New York there and obviously the
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  fact that Kenya are ridiculously talented at runner.
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  So O'berry's kind of career record over the marathon now
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  goes. She was sixth in New York on
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  debut. She then went and won Boston, NY
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  and Boston in a three in a row. She was then third at the
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  Olympics and I think she had a bit of an interrupted build to
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  that Olympics. So I mean, still getting on the
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  podium there. And then she's come back and she
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  was second place in New York in 2024 and then in Boston in 2025
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  to both the second and third place finishes here.
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  And then obviously she's come back and won one again.
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  So all those marathons, they're either American majors or the
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  Olympics. She's had one sixth place finish
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  and everything else is on the podium.
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  She doesn't, but in Boston and New York neither of them are.
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  They don't have Pacers. So she seems to just pick the
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  actual like racing races to do. And like that would have been a
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  nice payday for her. So like whatever appearance fee,
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  I think she gets 100 grand for the win.
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  For breaking the record, she probably gets another 100 grand.
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  And so you can see why she does the actual tactical races
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  because well, I think she's run like 217, but I don't think she
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  is like a 214 hand marathoner. So I'm not.
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  She's again such a really strange and like the way she
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  moves. She doesn't look fluid at all,
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  like her hands are nearly hitting her in the face, but
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  it's effective. Yeah, she looks like she's in
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  trouble, like way before she actually is, because she's just
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  swaying all over the shop. She must have, I don't know if
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  she either has an incredibly strong core to like carry her
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  through these sways or an incredibly weak core to allow
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  her to do that, but it's pretty effective.
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  Whatever it is. Both overall was the first
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  American woman, Fiona O'Keefe, and that's the the fastest
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  American ever. So I'm sure she will have some
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  sort of a bonus in line for her there by almost 2 minutes.
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  So like, she's completely smashed the American record on
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  that course and all three of the podium getters broke the course
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  record. Obviously, it only now lives
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  with O'berry. But this American woman, Fiona,
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  she was only 18 seconds behind the previous fastest ever run on
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  that course. And I think some of this is kind
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  of down to the weather conditions, so that it was
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  around 9° on the start line and rose to around 12 or 13 with
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  somehow like the all the guys who ran the race must be saying
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  the prayers. They got like less than 5 kmh
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  wind, 2 miles an hour or three miles an hour, which is, I mean,
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  I don't know about New York, whether it's typically windy or
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  not, but even if it's typically still, that is like bizarrely
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  still, isn't it? Yeah, I think that's why Tip
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  Trolley wore his long sleeve top because he's going to be a bit
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  cold. What do you guys make it up?
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  You let the muffs get out. It mustn't even like before.
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  Like, I'm sorry, I don't know how nice are going to swing this
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  to make it like make you go faster, but it just can't.
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  Like, I don't, I don't, I really, really, really don't get
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  this one. And yeah, I don't know,
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  speechless, you know? At least with Kippy Aegon speed
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  suits to actually look like pretty impressive like it had it
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  was all black and streamlined and I'd like these whatever
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  nodes they wear on them. Whereas Kipchogi's thing just
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  looked like he got it out of an op shop.
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  Like trying to be a bit edgy wearing something with a few
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  holes in it. And you are right that Nike were
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  trying to spit or at least you know Ben Johnson, the American
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  guy who runs about 6 marathons a year.
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  He, I don't know if he has like a bit of a contractual thing
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  with Nike, but he seems to be a bit of a mouthpiece for them and
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  a big fanboy. And he was, he'd done a post
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  like talking about all the aerodynamics and how it's like
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  technologically advanced and blah, blah.
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  So you're expecting like big things.
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  And then when you see it's just like literally a loose fitting
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  jumper with holes in, you're like, how the hell?
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  What you'll see Brick and Sore come out with one of these and
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  charge people freaking £500. And well, yeah, because it's got
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  all the holes and they're actually using less material.
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  That's the thing with all this running gear, like the lighter
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  and less material they use, like the more expensive it is, and
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  probably because the materials probably like better quality or
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  it's just like more expensive because it's so light.
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  But yeah, there's no way a freaking long sleeve talk with a
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  few holes and it can make your own faster no matter what way
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  they swing it. Apparently it's been used in the
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  in the ultra scene before. Is it what's the knife like
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  product line? Is it like ACG or something like
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  OCG like the outdoor activewear one?
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  And then they obviously just put Kip jogies and then running over
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  it. But yeah, I don't know.
• 22:09
  I'm not sure it might might cool you a little better because it's
• 22:12
  got the holes in but in 10° do you need cooling down?
• 22:17
  You probably just want to look good, feel good, run good in
• 22:21
  your slim line vest going further down through the results
• 22:24
  then. So Jess just Warner Judd,
• 22:26
  British lady on debut debut at the marathon.
• 22:29
  She finished 7th overall. So I think that'll still keep
• 22:32
  her in the in the payday there and straight in at #8 all time
• 22:37
  for the British runners, which is like pretty damn impressive
• 22:40
  to on your debut go and go into the top ten of all time.
• 22:44
  So she ran 2/24/45 and we referenced the other week Paula
• 22:50
  Radcliffe's British record, which is 215, which is just
• 22:54
  obscure. But then number 2 is 221, so
• 22:57
  kind of within range. And again in New York, like if
• 23:02
  you put her in Valencia, like, what does she run a minute or
• 23:05
  two faster? Yeah, and that's the thing.
• 23:10
  Her, her PBS here, I was looking at them because we were talking
• 23:13
  the other week, weren't me about how women convert so well often.
• 23:17
  So she's got a 14515 KPB, 303510 KPB and 67 O 7 half marathon PB
• 23:27
  which are probably their thereabouts for the 224 time.
• 23:32
  However this year she hasn't like sort of shown that PB form
• 23:37
  she'd run 343154 rather 69 O 7 and most recently 7025.
• 23:46
  I think she had she's in a race or something and she had a
• 23:49
  seizure. I think she's epilepsy.
• 23:51
  So like this is our first like big race back since being
• 23:54
  diagnosed, which makes the result even like that more
• 23:57
  impressive that she that she has that illness and then she's
• 24:02
  yeah, it's major. I'm not.
• 24:03
  It's 224, girl. It's interesting with the race
• 24:08
  selection like because we mentioned it last week with Joe
• 24:10
  Clacker choosing to make his debut there and we kind of like
• 24:13
  theorized why that might be. And there was obviously a couple
• 24:16
  of debutantes across the men's and the women's and they they've
• 24:20
  all kind of landed on New York. So maybe just doing the the
• 24:24
  course that OK, it's not going to absolutely kill you because
• 24:28
  it's like insanely hard, but it just kind of takes the pressure
• 24:31
  away from being fixated on a certain pace and you just kind
• 24:36
  of run a bit more freely maybe and just enjoy it.
• 24:40
  And like, there's so much been, there's so much sad for not
• 24:44
  going out super hard. So I think the last went to
• 24:46
  halfway was a 65 or something like that.
• 24:50
  So like they're not right. Like if it was a paced race,
• 24:55
  they're going through that on like 63 and all them lads are
• 24:57
  well able to go through and 63. So they're not popping if you
• 25:01
  get me. They're finishing strong.
• 25:02
  They're probably running it the best way.
• 25:05
  Umm, unlike even like Charles Hicks, like he backed, even
• 25:10
  though he backed Clacker in a 1260, yeah, go under 210.
• 25:13
  He ran 20959 and but I think Joe Clacker ran the marathon without
• 25:18
  a watch, which is pretty nuts. Even you wouldn't do that, no.
• 25:25
  That's very brave. I guess going to the like kind
• 25:30
  of how you land on New York for your debut and thinking about
• 25:33
  taking the paces elements out of it.
• 25:35
  It probably helps with the training as well because it
• 25:38
  would remove the kind of temptation to get locked in on a
• 25:44
  like three 10s or three O fives is marathon pace.
• 25:48
  You would more just do the training and let the pace come
• 25:51
  to you before race day. Whereas like if you have a
• 25:54
  specific time goal in mind going into it, you kinda attach
• 25:58
  yourself to that pace in training when maybe you're not
• 26:01
  necessarily there. And actually in Alex years most
• 26:05
  recent YouTube video, it documents him in Valencia and he
• 26:08
  says it was his like to his detriment that he was so fixed
• 26:13
  on a time goal that when he looked at his watch and he's
• 26:17
  seen let's say a three O 5, even though they're running into a
• 26:19
  headwind, it sort of had that negative effect on him.
• 26:22
  Whereas previously he wouldn't have went into a time goal.
• 26:25
  He would have just went in and raced the race.
• 26:27
  So yeah, totally agree. Moving further down the results,
• 26:31
  there's just a couple more, so 9th overall for the women.
• 26:33
  Amanda Vestry personally never heard The Vet, but apparently
• 26:36
  the fastest debut by an American woman ever, 22540 wants to watch
• 26:43
  and 10th overall Owens woman Fenola McCormack.
• 26:48
  So she is, well, you should never ask a woman her age, but
• 26:53
  maybe I can, I can state her age, can't I?
• 26:55
  She's 41, she's been to 5 Olympics and then she just ran
• 27:00
  227 dead the fifth fastest marathon of her career at 41.
• 27:04
  So there's hope into our 40s yet.
• 27:09
  Absolutely. I'm sure even Snake Diver, she's
• 27:12
  pushing 50 and she's still flying.
• 27:14
  So yeah, no excuses for anyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:22
  There's one thing I did notice though.
• 27:25
  I don't know if I was just kind of falling asleep and drifting
• 27:28
  in and out of consciousness at the wrong parts, but lots of the
• 27:32
  parts of the course were quite flat.
• 27:34
  And I know that sounds weird because not flat in terms of
• 27:37
  terrain, in terms of like atmosphere and people out on the
• 27:39
  streets. But I'm sure New York's supposed
• 27:42
  to be renowned for like having crazy atmosphere all over the
• 27:45
  course. So I don't want to say that with
• 27:49
  definitive confidence. Maybe it's just some of the
• 27:51
  parts I tuned into was through some random backstreet.
• 27:55
  Yeah, I think the bridges, people can't get on them because
• 27:59
  there's a few bridges they have to run across and that's where a
• 28:01
  lot of the incline is. And I think apart from Dublin
• 28:06
  Marathon, I think New York is the one I'd want to do most.
• 28:10
  I think it's they look savage running through like the five
• 28:13
  different like boroughs and I think you'll be under.
• 28:17
  What a way to see the city. No open top tour bus, just go
• 28:20
  and do the marathon. Exactly it.
• 28:24
  Could be another New York Marathon debutant on our hands
• 28:27
  here in the men's race. I just whizzed through the
• 28:30
  results and then we can talk about it some more.
• 28:32
  So Benson Kipruto won in two O 8 O nine.
• 28:35
  Second place was also a 2O8O9. They were separated by three
• 28:40
  hundredths of a second, not 3/10 of a second, three hundredths.
• 28:44
  Alexander Mutisau. 3rd place was Albert Korea two O 857, so 50
• 28:51
  seconds or so back. 4th was the British debutant Patrick Diva in
• 28:56
  two O 858. And then a couple more notable
• 28:59
  results which we may talk about some more.
• 29:02
  The first American was a guy again completely unfamiliar
• 29:05
  with, Joel Rechow 2O956. Charles Hicks, now American
• 29:11
  athletes, former formerly represented GB in two O 959 also
• 29:17
  on debut. Sandra Moen, Norwegian record
• 29:20
  holder 2/10/15 for 8th. Joe Clacker, the American
• 29:25
  debutant who we talked about YouTube Diaries 10th in two 1037
• 29:29
  and then the great man himself passing out in 17th.
• 29:34
  Well, not physically passing out, but passing out on his
• 29:37
  elite marathon in Korea in 17th for Elliot Kipchogi 21436.
• 29:45
  So, yeah, I mean, I didn't manage to completely stay up for
• 29:48
  the end of the men's race, but once I seen the women's and then
• 29:52
  the men's was up to the stage where there was four of them
• 29:54
  left, one of them being Paddy Diva on his debut.
• 29:59
  And I was like, Jess, I'm going to have to like stay up for
• 30:01
  this. What on earth's going on?
• 30:02
  Like this British guy on his debut is just rolling with like
• 30:06
  these three elite marathoners, multiple major winners between
• 30:10
  them. One of my like reflections on
• 30:12
  that is I wonder, I think it was around like it was beyond 30K
• 30:17
  anyway when it became them for what is going through his mind
• 30:20
  when he's like looking round over his shoulder, he's like,
• 30:23
  OK, it's me and these three. I'm at West going to finish
• 30:28
  fourth in a major marathon and this is my debut.
• 30:31
  Like you must be. Can you relate to it?
• 30:33
  You're like, you're getting so excited and so giddy, but then
• 30:36
  also like trying to lock yourself back in and be like,
• 30:39
  no, there's still, I'm not just going to finish 4th.
• 30:43
  I could finish third, second or even first.
• 30:45
  Like focus on the task in hand. I think something that might
• 30:51
  play in the back of your mind though, with the marathon is
• 30:53
  like, like you always know, like fuel supply could be an issue,
• 30:57
  right? And so if you've not judged it
• 31:00
  right, it could come very quickly that you are in trouble.
• 31:04
  So, you know, you'd be so fired up and you'd be wanting to send
• 31:08
  it, but you also, when it's your first marathon, you, you've, you
• 31:12
  would have heard so much about the, the feelings of the back
• 31:15
  part of the marathon and the, you know, hitting the wall and
• 31:18
  all that sort of stuff. I wonder if that's also playing
• 31:21
  a, playing a role around when, when to let go.
• 31:24
  Yes. Hussain, he'd done an interview
• 31:28
  afterwards and I think he said something like they were taught
• 31:31
  the toy and with the marathon potentially for 2028.
• 31:34
  So I imagine that kind of sways it in favour of the marathon now
• 31:38
  after like how do you just go and finish 4th on debut?
• 31:41
  Like if we compare to a male caress who's held in insanely
• 31:45
  high regard in terms of a British marathoner, and that's
• 31:49
  kind of the level at which he's reached so far in his career.
• 31:53
  And he's kind of been seen as extremely elite now for multiple
• 31:58
  years. And this guy just walks in on
• 31:59
  debut and goes bang, here I am. And almost comparable to months
• 32:04
  in a way. Like he hasn't quite cracked the
• 32:05
  podium himself. Well, he's run like 6011 for the
• 32:10
  half like he's, he's well up there like he is really, really
• 32:15
  good so. He's a seriously legit athlete.
• 32:19
  Like what? What is over PBS there?
• 32:23
  He's around 2744 for 10K. 13 O 4 and that BU track indoors early
• 32:29
  last year. But then if you compare those
• 32:34
  PBS to Joe Clacker going into it, so he's ran 1254, so he's
• 32:39
  got 10 seconds on him under 5K and 27 O, 7 / 10 K.
• 32:45
  And obviously he's run 210 for 10.
• 32:47
  So it shows that just having that ceiling isn't a guarantee
• 32:52
  conversion. So he's he's absolutely nailed
• 32:55
  it. But like that, this is that PMO
• 32:59
  group again, that popping out some ridiculous times like Fiona
• 33:05
  O'Keefe trains. Think Allister Craig, an Irish,
• 33:09
  He's Irish, he's the oldest human group and they've had
• 33:11
  Peter Lynch who had the Irish national record and offered her
• 33:16
  and has some ties to Puma, the Irish Martin record holder.
• 33:20
  Like they're popping out some Patrick, who's the Aussie guy,
• 33:25
  and I think he's with them, yeah.
• 33:28
  So it's a pretty like legit group.
• 33:30
  So he's US based this petty D diva.
• 33:35
  Which I was going to make this point like, because do you
• 33:39
  reckon that athletes who are from wherever they're from their
• 33:44
  home country and then they move to the US, they're like, so they
• 33:47
  fly under the radar because the home nation can't relate to them
• 33:51
  so much because they're out the picture.
• 33:53
  They're not racing domestically on the circuit and then the the
• 33:57
  nation where they live. So Americans in this instance,
• 34:02
  then they're not giving them any praise or too concerned of them
• 34:05
  either because they've got no emotional connection to them.
• 34:08
  So like it's almost irrelevant whether he's there running good
• 34:11
  or not to them. And it's the same with like Kai
• 34:14
  Robinson and like just anyone else basically, who just moves
• 34:17
  out the country. Yeah, and the hard part is
• 34:19
  because the US is so big, right? Like it's hard to be get it.
• 34:24
  Make an aim for yourself there because in order to win a race
• 34:27
  in the US, like, like you say, this is one of his local
• 34:30
  marathons perhaps, but the depth of competition is so great that
• 34:34
  it's hard to really stand out in that crowd.
• 34:39
  Yeah. So where you may finish, if
• 34:41
  you're British or Australian, you may be in the top five in
• 34:44
  the country. So you will be like held in such
• 34:46
  high regard. If you then just in the mixer in
• 34:49
  America, you might be like 20th. So therefore you are going to be
• 34:52
  just mixed in with everyone else and somewhat overlooked.
• 34:56
  But yeah, insane from him and very promising.
• 34:59
  In terms of the actual finish, yeah, it came down to a photo
• 35:02
  finish on the line. So the guy who won, Benson
• 35:07
  Kipruto, he'd actually separated himself from Munyao within the
• 35:12
  last, like, UK or so, and he was running ahead of him maybe like
• 35:16
  5 metres or something. And he kept giving it a shoulder
• 35:19
  check here and there to make sure he was safe.
• 35:22
  And then you can see on the photo on the line, he's like
• 35:25
  celebrate and he knows he's got it, but he doesn't know that
• 35:29
  Munyao is literally like closing like a train and trying to steal
• 35:33
  that tape from him. So they both actually like raise
• 35:36
  their arms crossing the line and the photo finish.
• 35:39
  Yeah, They had to define where the finish line is actually
• 35:44
  taken from, where the time and recording is stopped because
• 35:48
  when you look at it visually, it's like literally so hard to
• 35:52
  separate. Bizarre that like this marathon
• 35:56
  has just ended like that. And the ones in the World
• 35:59
  Championships, particularly the men's ones, like when do you
• 36:01
  ever see that happen otherwise? It's the pure because we're just
• 36:06
  gotten so used to them. Time trials like that Valencia
• 36:08
  half marathon, fair enough. It was like a savage time, but
• 36:13
  your man and Kajaja was just running solo his whole time.
• 36:16
  Like it's actually not fun to watch.
• 36:19
  You get what I mean? Do you think this has anything
• 36:23
  to do with it? So given like all the tech and
• 36:26
  stuff now and the information sharing, like everyone has a
• 36:30
  similar almost playing field in that everyone's using similar
• 36:34
  shoes, similar nutrition, blah blah blah.
• 36:36
  And everyone at the end of the day has the same or a human
• 36:40
  body. Therefore, when everyone's
• 36:43
  training the same human body and using all the same tools,
• 36:47
  there's that many bloody people in the world.
• 36:49
  Ultimately, it's going to be hard to separate two people.
• 36:54
  Like you can only physically push the human body in itself so
• 36:59
  far. Therefore there might be a limit
• 37:01
  and everyone is just like so bloody close to that limit that
• 37:05
  no one can kind of separate themselves from everyone else.
• 37:09
  The only way to Well, the Kenyans are good at separating
• 37:11
  themselves, aren't they? Well, they they have found some
• 37:17
  vices to do so. Yeah, hard work day.
• 37:21
  And Speaking of which, it's well timed that you've brought that
• 37:23
  up because as good as this guy is, Benson Caprusso, whereas he
• 37:28
  is accolades, he's he's got the hat trick of the American
• 37:30
  majors. He's won Boston, NY and Chicago,
• 37:33
  first person ever to do so. He's also won.
• 37:37
  Is it Tokyo? Yeah, 2O2.
• 37:42
  One of his crew, so he's coached by Where's the guy's name I
• 37:46
  wrote down before? He's coached by this guy.
• 37:49
  Anyway, I'm one of the younger fellows in their group.
• 37:52
  Has been popped in recent history, but the guy also
• 37:57
  coaches Sebastian Sarway and Jabeth Evans.
• 38:00
  What are you trying to say? I'm just saying there's Dopin is
• 38:05
  never too far from the storyline, from the headline,
• 38:10
  directly or indirectly. Claudio Berardelli is the coach.
• 38:16
  It sounds a bit Italian. Does he?
• 38:20
  Mates with them, our doctor. They're Italian.
• 38:24
  Snap. I mean, in fairness, we don't
• 38:28
  know what they're up to, but that group, they've won three of
• 38:31
  the majors this year because Saway has won Berlin and London
• 38:35
  and then Group 2 has just gone and won that.
• 38:38
  So they're obviously doing something right.
• 38:40
  Maybe a couple of things, right. Another cynic thing that come
• 38:42
  out from that is final 8K, or in the article it says 5.15 point,
• 38:47
  2 miles, but I just converted it to K.
• 38:50
  He ran that, which is about 30 meters of elevation gain coming
• 38:55
  through Central Park and stuff. He ran that at 2 flat pace,
• 38:58
  which is obscene. And Munyao was with him like the
• 39:01
  whole way. So there's two of them
• 39:03
  basically, who, who ran that close.
• 39:06
  Like they're running both of them.
• 39:07
  Boys probably break 60 for the half.
• 39:10
  So if they go through the half marathon in 65, like that must
• 39:14
  feel like a Sunday long run for them just tipping along.
• 39:18
  So to be able to kick off that like if they should be well able
• 39:22
  to kick down hard. Yeah, and you can see it on the
• 39:28
  stream, like when they then the first half there's like I think
• 39:32
  it said there's 21 of them that split in the league group
• 39:35
  halfway. Like no wonder that there's 21
• 39:38
  of them. It's just the literary jogging.
• 39:40
  And like you say, because there's no pacemakers, no one's
• 39:43
  forced to do anything, so no one wants to do anything.
• 39:47
  Like Dean could have been the extra halfway with him.
• 39:52
  Would have been some bloody storyline that Dean you could
• 39:57
  have just stepped off with the Keely.
• 40:02
  You and him cut to pace them through halfway.
• 40:04
  I got the same appearance for you.
• 40:06
  I would. All right, let's finish these
• 40:11
  results. So that first American guy who's
• 40:13
  6th overall, Joel Richow, never had them before.
• 40:16
  Seen a photo of him coming across the finish line.
• 40:19
  He's in a Puma singlet and he's got a pair of ASIC shoes on.
• 40:22
  So like rumor has it, he's unsponsored and he's just ran
• 40:25
  sub 210. First American at a major, an
• 40:28
  American major. Bizarre probably won't remain
• 40:32
  unsponsive for too long. No, I can't imagine that.
• 40:36
  He's got locks like Seth. I seen him at the so there was
• 40:41
  the big group 21 and he was just off the back of them for ages.
• 40:44
  And I was like, he doesn't like look like you're, I don't know,
• 40:48
  traditional runner cause of his big massive hair.
• 40:51
  And I was like, who is this kid just hanging on the back?
• 40:54
  And he came through so well. So like 209 like perfect on.
• 40:58
  I thought you were going to recreate that McGregor meme then
• 41:01
  who the fuck is that guy? 7th overall was Charles Hicks.
• 41:09
  So he was born in the UK to American parents, lived in the
• 41:13
  UK for 12 years and raced on the like the British badge or title
• 41:20
  if you like. But I don't think he ever like
• 41:23
  made a proper senior vest. He raced in the under 23's and
• 41:27
  stuff. I know that for sure.
• 41:29
  And then I think it was only some point last year he
• 41:32
  confirmed he was going to represent the US.
• 41:35
  And he actually cited something to do with like politics within
• 41:39
  the system kind of thing as one of his reasonings.
• 41:42
  And that he just sees himself more as he resonates with
• 41:45
  America more so now, which I think is fair enough.
• 41:48
  Like I know if you make the comparison to footballers
• 41:51
  choosing to like represent England and stuff it's stupid
• 41:54
  because often the ties are like absolutely clutching at straws.
• 41:58
  But this guy, both his parents are American and from the age of
• 42:02
  12 he's lived there for 12 years.
• 42:04
  So by the time you get to 24, you probably are feeling pretty
• 42:08
  American. He even sounds American, to be
• 42:11
  very long. Yeah.
• 42:13
  Does he? Yeah.
• 42:14
  Like if you were him like all that British politics and their
• 42:18
  selection policies, it could be mad not to go to America.
• 42:23
  He definitely would have got money for common second American
• 42:25
  F and he's going to get better funding.
• 42:27
  Everything is going to be better from the American point of view.
• 42:31
  Whereas UK like might even pick him for a team because you were
• 42:35
  on 2O9. Like I don't think that
• 42:37
  qualifies him for the Europeans. I think it's two O 930 or
• 42:41
  something. And so, yeah, I think it's a no
• 42:45
  brainer, unfortunately. He did benefit a bit from
• 42:49
  because he won a couple of European cross country titles,
• 42:53
  titles in the in there was it under 20 threes.
• 42:56
  That was in Dublin. I always watched that one.
• 42:59
  I'll get out. Yeah.
• 43:01
  That's cool. Yeah.
• 43:04
  And he was training with his training partner was Kyle
• 43:07
  Robinson, wasn't he? Were they Stanford guys?
• 43:10
  Yeah, and they were both dominate.
• 43:14
  Well, they were fairly dominant, weren't they, during the that
• 43:16
  NCAA? So was that still around the
• 43:19
  time of Conor Manz? Maybe.
• 43:20
  I can't remember if he was maybe a bit younger, wasn't he?
• 43:24
  But but yeah, that I still, I remember him because obviously I
• 43:30
  remember following Kyle Robinson's NCAA running career.
• 43:36
  Yeah, I seen that when that Paddy Diva won, I think he won
• 43:40
  10,000 meter NCAA title and he out kicked Mance to do that.
• 43:45
  All right, 10th overall was. Sorry.
• 43:48
  Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:52
  Full, full circle. Yeah, 10th was Joe Clecker,
• 43:57
  21037 on his debut. So yeah, as I said before, his
• 44:02
  5K10K half PBS 125427 O 7 and 61 O 6.
• 44:09
  So I don't know about you both, but I reckon there's a clear
• 44:13
  difference from his five and his 10K time to his half time.
• 44:18
  As in not quite as impressive. And then obviously I mean it's
• 44:23
  only his debut, so like and it's a solid enough run.
• 44:26
  Then his 210 marathon also isn't quite reflective of being like a
• 44:30
  sub 13 on paper, but I'm sure he'll be pretty happy top 10210
• 44:39
  finishing time. However, maybe not so happy
• 44:41
  being third American with a couple of other debutants ahead
• 44:44
  of him. But learn experience and first
• 44:49
  one done. He'll probably learn a shit ton
• 44:52
  about his fuel and I'm so interested interested to see how
• 44:55
  much he got down and like how it all went, whether you have to
• 44:58
  stop taking X kilometers or whatever.
• 45:03
  He reminds me of Jack Rayner for some reason.
• 45:06
  I feel like he's like the American version of Jack Rayner.
• 45:08
  Like what is Times? And yeah, but I'd love to be No
• 45:13
  go on. And he's my.
• 45:16
  Yeah, maybe that's why. He seems that chill as well,
• 45:20
  doesn't he? Yeah, it seems pretty cool.
• 45:24
  I think he'd be chucked, right? Like, I mean, he was talking
• 45:26
  about learning the marathon and fuelling and respecting it and,
• 45:30
  like, based on those splits, right?
• 45:32
  It seems like he judged it very well.
• 45:34
  And yeah, it's interesting, like you say, that Patty Davis
• 45:39
  probably like the benchmark for being just off the podium and
• 45:42
  what what is he 2 minutes away? So like, which is, I mean, it
• 45:48
  sounds like a lot in terms of raw time, but really it's 3
• 45:52
  seconds a kilometer. Like, it's not, you know, that's
• 45:56
  sort of touchable. And just because a couple of
• 45:59
  people have had like an amazing day doesn't mean that your run
• 46:04
  is shifter basically because theirs is amazing.
• 46:06
  Like you just have to judge your one on it in its own right.
• 46:10
  And when you do that, it's it's a good run.
• 46:13
  Lastly, the the great man Elliot Kipchogi unfortunately fell back
• 46:18
  to 17th. He was pretty much with them
• 46:21
  until he wasn't. He was there front and centre or
• 46:23
  like tucked in 2nd row doing his thing until about halfway maybe.
• 46:29
  But the the main thing of this weekend for him, he was like a
• 46:32
  bloody exhibition, wasn't he? Was on all the interviews.
• 46:36
  He's just collecting paydays everywhere he goes.
• 46:39
  He's like Mr. Mr. Worldwide, Mr. Running Worldwide, isn't he?
• 46:44
  I would hate to see his schedule before a race.
• 46:47
  It just cannot be good for you. He's so much things to do and be
• 46:52
  everywhere while also try and run like a relatively fast
• 46:55
  marathon. Yeah, I don't know why he's at.
• 46:58
  Well, I know what he's at. He's flapping the noise bag.
• 47:02
  Didn't I think I saw an article today?
• 47:05
  Isn't, hasn't he announced some sort of over the next two years
• 47:08
  he's going to do some sort of record for fastest times or
• 47:12
  something like this, marathon times in every continent or
• 47:15
  something like that? There's some sort of next like,
• 47:20
  I don't know, sell out sort of behaviour really isn't it?
• 47:24
  Something along those lines, Yeah, it's like a marathon in
• 47:27
  every continent over the next two years.
• 47:30
  But that's basically what he's been doing anyway, that he came
• 47:33
  to Sydney, he's went to America, he runs in London and Berlin.
• 47:37
  But I think he's just trying to take a step back from the elite
• 47:41
  racing and just basically go round and ambassador and collect
• 47:45
  a fat payday whilst doing so. He's he's saying he wants to
• 47:49
  spread running across the world and connect with runners and
• 47:52
  stuff like this, but he's just going where the money takes him.
• 47:56
  And I mean, fair play. Like if if we were in the
• 47:59
  twilight of a insanely successful career and you're
• 48:03
  finally getting paid to recognise your ability and your
• 48:06
  talents and your achievements, then we can't snarl them for it.
• 48:10
  He's the fastest run fluencer in history.
• 48:14
  I can't wait to see what he rocks up into entire together
• 48:17
  with dumb fucking massive big jacket that is going to like.
• 48:22
  With all my. Tech in it.
• 48:23
  That's a good shout. To be fair you'll have like
• 48:26
  alpha fly snow boots on do his whispers pre his announcement
• 48:32
  that rather than what he said he's going to do he was going to
• 48:36
  go to the ultra scene. Which I was thinking shit this
• 48:38
  is like so ironic after our debate last week about what was
• 48:41
  more impressive. He might have been about to
• 48:43
  prove us right or wrong, but maybe he's keeping that one up
• 48:47
  his sleeve for another few years.
• 48:51
  He will eventually do what I'd say, like how long could he hold
• 48:55
  like a 7 minute kilometer for one month?
• 48:59
  Price, I reckon that's New York covered.
• 49:02
  There was another race up in is it Far North Queensland or just
• 49:07
  QLD Noosa? Yeah, just Queensland.
• 49:11
  Just Queensland, not far north. Shall I cover that, Ryan?
• 49:16
  Knock yourself out. Knock yourselves.
• 49:19
  So yeah, and please jump in and correct me.
• 49:21
  I didn't catch a lot of it this weekend.
• 49:23
  I was on the tools a little bit at home, but the way so they
• 49:30
  have like an elite race. So it's part of the Noosa
• 49:32
  Triathlon weekend. I think there's some bike racing
• 49:35
  as well as a major triathlon, which I think was won by Matt
• 49:39
  Hauser, who just to sidetrack slightly, but the World
• 49:43
  Triathlon Championships were held in Oz recently and he was
• 49:46
  the winner of that. Might have been as recently as
• 49:49
  was it last weekend or the weekend before.
• 49:51
  As part of that, they do this race called the Noosa Bolt.
• 49:54
  It's a 5K road race, but it has a series of hairpin turns.
• 49:58
  It's on like a 600 meter stretch or loop.
• 50:01
  And so it's not the fastest course with all their their
• 50:05
  hairpin turns, but it's 180° turns.
• 50:08
  But it it is an exciting race to watch because they'll set the
• 50:13
  women off before the men and they still have like first over
• 50:16
  the finish line as well as like men's and women's prizes.
• 50:20
  And yeah, the winners in the men's race this year, who were
• 50:25
  the first three over the line as well, were Jude Thomas, Callum
• 50:28
  Davies and Matt Buckle. They were in 13511352 and 1357,
• 50:33
  which I think on that course is pretty swift running.
• 50:38
  And then in the women's race, it was Morty Skyring, Georgie,
• 50:43
  Reggie and Leanne Pompiani in 16051606 and 1606 are very close
• 50:49
  in the women's race, but they were caught by the men.
• 50:52
  Apparently it was pretty windy as well, so even more reason for
• 50:56
  it to be slower as well as all the turns.
• 50:59
  Yeah, and I think maybe that didn't play into the favor of
• 51:03
  the women in terms of getting caught, right, Because it looked
• 51:06
  like there was quite a a big bunch.
• 51:08
  And so you're sort of trying to work out if you're sacrificing
• 51:12
  your own race by leading everyone else out, but then
• 51:15
  increasing your chance of getting caught.
• 51:16
  But yeah, always a really good race.
• 51:18
  And I think they've softened the standards to get into the race.
• 51:21
  So it makes the fields a bit bigger, which is exciting for
• 51:25
  people who, you know, looking for a race to do this time of
• 51:28
  year. Looks like a fun race.
• 51:29
  And yeah, one of our sort of training partners that lives on
• 51:32
  the East Coast, Karen Perkins. He was 11th in 1448.
• 51:36
  So shout out to Karen. And when I was up in Brisbane, I
• 51:41
  was, I was injured, but I was going to go up and watch this
• 51:44
  race. But the crowds, it's like it
• 51:48
  happens on like this, like stretch around Noosa.
• 51:52
  And I think it's like a like a no goes on to be honest, if
• 51:56
  you're, if you don't have a place to stay out there because
• 51:59
  it is packed. So the atmosphere, I definitely
• 52:02
  recommend going off to Ryan if you're ever on a holiday or
• 52:05
  Dean, whatever, because Noosa is gorgeous as well.
• 52:08
  It's such a nice area. And they actually have the
• 52:11
  famous chip. I think there's these famous,
• 52:15
  they get to get chip and a machine sort of like a Yoshi for
• 52:18
  chips and you get to put like whatever, topping your mount on
• 52:21
  or something like that. But yeah, but like it with the
• 52:27
  wind. If you've a headwind, you're
• 52:29
  going to have a tailwind. So true might equal out.
• 52:34
  You know what I thought about this.
• 52:35
  I was thinking of you and your when you do your strides, but
• 52:39
  you do your turnabouts. You might have been well suited.
• 52:42
  Yeah, it's a certain way of running down hairpins that may
• 52:45
  be like, did you see the way the Japanese do it?
• 52:48
  They do really weird. Perfect course to do it.
• 52:52
  I'm crazy about himself, especially with the Super shoes.
• 52:55
  I like Chunky there. You know, Carl Davis, who
• 53:00
  finished second here. I remember when I first moved to
• 53:03
  Australia and like eventually like came across him and figured
• 53:08
  out who he was. And my first thought was all
• 53:11
  that to the guy who bloody like paces all the diamond leagues
• 53:14
  because he must have had one year a couple of years ago and
• 53:17
  he was just pacing on every bloody Diamond League meets.
• 53:21
  And he's a lot of the paces sometimes are like Polish
• 53:26
  weedish, like almost like second tier athletes, but they're quick
• 53:31
  enough to pace for half the race.
• 53:33
  And largely they'll go unnoticed to me.
• 53:36
  But Carl Davis is quite an individual look as well, isn't
• 53:40
  he? So when he's like there on the
• 53:42
  front of like one of the fastest 5 KS in Europe and got all the
• 53:46
  best athletes in the world behind them, I'm looking like,
• 53:49
  who the hell is this guy? And then when I eventually found
• 53:51
  out, I was like, jeez, makes so much sense.
• 53:54
  Like world's colliding. He wears like a bandana.
• 53:57
  Or he used to anyway. And he's spectacles that was
• 54:04
  made for a long time till I got lasik.
• 54:07
  Oh yeah, he he's in such an awkward position as cause like
• 54:10
  he's so good, but he's, I think he was with PM and now he's not.
• 54:16
  I mean, just in that awkward position where he's like, he is
• 54:18
  really, really good, but just not like.
• 54:21
  Yeah, it feels like there's not quite one distance that like
• 54:26
  suits him completely. He can kind of run most of those
• 54:29
  middle distance races very, very good, but there's not like 5K or
• 54:34
  15 that like stands out as like boom, that's where he is.
• 54:39
  Watch him move up to the marathon now and like yeah don't
• 54:42
  like sub 210 or something stupid.
• 54:45
  It's funny, right? Do you do I remember listening
• 54:47
  to the Coffee Club a few years ago and there was sort of
• 54:50
  similar comments being made about George Beamish on there
• 54:54
  because remember, he was sort of struggling.
• 54:57
  He did like the 2022, maybe world champs and fell out in the
• 55:01
  5K in the heat and didn't have the wheels as say, like Ollie
• 55:05
  with the 15101 was a bit like sort of seemingly in no man's
• 55:09
  land. And then there was talk of the
• 55:11
  steeple and everyone's like, yeah, give it a go, like because
• 55:15
  you've got to do something. And then Fast forward like 18
• 55:19
  months and he wins a world championship in the 1500 and a
• 55:22
  world championship in the steeplechase.
• 55:24
  So you never know what's around the corner.
• 55:27
  Think that that's like the exciting thing with the
• 55:29
  marathon, isn't it? It's people now have showed that
• 55:32
  you don't necessarily have to be the fastest on the track to be
• 55:35
  the best as the distance goes up.
• 55:37
  So no wonder like people are starting to turn to it more.
• 55:40
  Last point on this, Dean, you know when you mentioned that
• 55:43
  Matt Hauser has seen his like his splits for his swim, his
• 55:46
  bike and his run and the run I think was a 10K run.
• 55:50
  Obviously it's the last leg of the three disciplines as well,
• 55:53
  and I think maybe it was like 2940 or something.
• 55:56
  And now having the experience of doing a few hard cycles.
• 56:02
  Imagine trying to break 30 minutes on the back of the bike.
• 56:06
  Yeah, no, I think yeah, they're they're legit.
• 56:09
  I mean, look at how fast like Hayden Wilde, Elixi are just in
• 56:14
  a broad race, so you can imagine.
• 56:16
  And the triathlon, in terms of that meta, like it's triathlons
• 56:21
  evolved. I reckon Once Upon a time you
• 56:23
  could be an average swimmer and a decent biker and a really good
• 56:27
  runner. Whereas now the races are so
• 56:30
  high octane in every discipline that you'll just get.
• 56:34
  They just know, like if you're not in the front 10 out of the
• 56:38
  water, you're in trouble on the bike and you're redlining
• 56:40
  because those guys will just pump big watts and you won't get
• 56:44
  you won't catch up. And you'll you could be the.
• 56:46
  But some of these Spanish runners are so good, but they
• 56:48
  just don't get a look in because they can't compete with the
• 56:51
  likes of Matt Hauser and some of these other guys in the first
• 56:54
  two disciplines. So like they are like they're
• 56:57
  ripping it on both those legs and then they're running like
• 57:00
  they are. Yeah, off the bike is.
• 57:03
  Yeah, it's pretty cool. He's pretty well.
• 57:06
  I've only seen a couple of photos on but he looks pretty
• 57:08
  stocky as well. Like well built.
• 57:10
  They are, they all are because they they need that upper body
• 57:13
  mass to be able to swim, I think.
• 57:15
  Whereas, you know, in running we don't need any of that.
• 57:17
  But yeah, whenever Kenji comes back and trains, he always he's
• 57:22
  quick to lose his top and run around, isn't he?
• 57:26
  Proud rig to show off. There was actually there was a
• 57:30
  video as well of that Hauser when he won the the world champs
• 57:34
  the other week. His swim like the start of it.
• 57:37
  And I've honestly, I don't watch much swimming or try.
• 57:42
  So like I don't really have much to compare it to, but I've never
• 57:46
  seen anything like it because he puts like he's just hammering
• 57:50
  his strokes and he just gaps the field within like 15 meters and
• 57:55
  he's just literally taken off like a bleed both.
• 57:59
  Punctual adrenaline, yeah. Right then, shall we hear about
• 58:05
  what's been going on in, I can't remember the name, but Spanish
• 58:08
  camp? Yeah, had a had a big week lads.
• 58:14
  Monday, it was technically a triple day, sort of.
• 58:20
  So in the morning I had 45 minutes and then I had eight by
• 58:25
  hill strides, 8 by 8 second hill strides, and then that was
• 58:31
  around 11.6 kilometers in total. And then in the afternoon I had
• 58:36
  a 45 minute Aqua jog and then straight from the Aqua jog I
• 58:40
  went out and just done an easy triple.
• 58:43
  I don't have 45. You got a belt on doing that
• 58:46
  Aqua jog or just purely treading?
• 58:48
  No man, I don't know how people do it without the belts.
• 58:51
  You have to have the belt for like buoyancy or else you I'm
• 58:54
  literally just drinking the water was sort of a double
• 58:58
  threshold in a way. So 15 minute one until then.
• 59:02
  Oh, and I brought 3 pairs of shoes.
• 59:05
  So I've got these Puma Velocity V4, just like a Poppy daily
• 59:10
  trainer. I've got the Nike Structure,
• 59:13
  which is a more stable daily trainer and I brought the Rebel
• 59:17
  V4. So an old Rebel as like a racing
• 59:20
  flat. So nothing like too crazy in
• 59:25
  advance. I'm sort of on old school.
• 59:30
  So the first Tuesday morning I done 2 by 15 minutes off a 5
• 59:34
  minute jog. And it's just on this place
• 59:36
  called like the yellow brick road.
• 59:38
  So it's just like straight out just path no one near you.
• 59:44
  So and the first kilometer splits were three O 730-6307 and
• 59:53
  then three O 7 and then I 5 minute jog and I was like
• 59:56
  Jeannie Mark, I'm feeling good. Turn around and I was like, OK,
• 1:00:03
  massive headwind. So on the way back, is there
• 1:00:06
  anything? Worse than a tailwind that you
• 1:00:09
  don't know about when you've got it and you just turn into a fat
• 1:00:12
  headwind. There is nothing worse 100%.
• 1:00:16
  And so yeah, 5 minute jog. And then the second reps were
• 1:00:22
  three 11311, three 13314. So just keep an eye lid on it.
• 1:00:28
  And in total that was 17 kilometers, an average pace of
• 1:00:34
  like 346. So I've actually thought about
• 1:00:37
  this as like a double trouble. And for Strava, would people, is
• 1:00:42
  it better to like put it all as one, like warm up, cool down and
• 1:00:45
  activity as one? Or do people prefer like the
• 1:00:49
  warm up separate than the session than the cooldown
• 1:00:52
  separate? What do you guys think?
• 1:00:55
  I've got a theory and I'm, I'm happy to admit because I'm going
• 1:00:59
  to slag a certain methodology off which I have used and I will
• 1:01:03
  say I have used it for this purpose.
• 1:01:06
  So I reckon largely I keep it all in one, but you can
• 1:01:10
  obviously split it up. And if you do split it up, I
• 1:01:13
  think, yeah, you're flexing on your splits and you just want
• 1:01:16
  that average pace of the workout to be shown.
• 1:01:19
  And I'll happily admit that I've done that here and there in the
• 1:01:22
  past. Because they know in training
• 1:01:24
  Pete wants you to do all is 1, doesn't it?
• 1:01:27
  Yeah. Yeah, it's because it comes up
• 1:01:29
  amber and stuff if you don't annoy.
• 1:01:31
  If you want or if you want all grain otherwise you need to get
• 1:01:35
  into the admin and you actually need to break your workouts up
• 1:01:38
  so then it it will stay grain by splitting out your warm up
• 1:01:42
  cooldown. I'm not fast, but I mean I must
• 1:01:47
  admit I don't like in your feed, your feed to be filled up with
• 1:01:51
  warm up and warm ups and cooldowns, you know?
• 1:01:56
  OK, from now on I'll do another one.
• 1:01:58
  I think I said this on here, I've seen a GIF shared or a meme
• 1:02:02
  whatever. Like Riley Bryce, this guy used
• 1:02:05
  to run with in Melbourne and it says that's a very nice warm up
• 1:02:09
  or that's a very nice cool down for me to not give kudos to.
• 1:02:13
  Probably what I'd like is 1 activity and then a useful title
• 1:02:17
  and then below the title a description of what you did and
• 1:02:21
  if you do that then I can then decide if I want to click in and
• 1:02:24
  see how fast you do that. What about these these bloody
• 1:02:30
  acronyms that like Simon and stuff uses like U1 for week 1,
• 1:02:35
  U2 for or R2 for run 2 and then like there's an acronym for like
• 1:02:40
  the the race that the target and I get lost do.
• 1:02:45
  You know Jordan Donnelly, he's got numbers beside his runs.
• 1:02:49
  Just follow him on Saba. Yeah, I remember hearing him say
• 1:02:52
  it's something to do with like the the total amount of runs
• 1:02:55
  he's done for that year because he had a bat with someone over,
• 1:02:58
  like an over under. OK, I guess because I was trying
• 1:03:02
  to like work out like is a certain like route.
• 1:03:05
  Because I knew you Canon has names for all the routes he
• 1:03:07
  does. And I was trying to work out
• 1:03:09
  what Jordan Donnelly's boy could not for the world, and he makes
• 1:03:12
  sense of it. Yeah, we're on money.
• 1:03:16
  And now what about when? Andy Buchanan does his his half
• 1:03:21
  an hour runs or his little double s and he calls them a
• 1:03:24
  half, but he he might run 33 or 34 minutes.
• 1:03:30
  It's just just just a double that point.
• 1:03:32
  I think that's I don't like that.
• 1:03:34
  Like I'll let that pass. I'm not that OCD.
• 1:03:37
  Like he's directionally appropriate.
• 1:03:41
  I've just got so much hate and spite in me for not running for
• 1:03:45
  six months and fired up off stuff I shouldn't give a shit
• 1:03:47
  about. Sorry, I won't go.
• 1:03:50
  Right. And now during this sample, my
• 1:03:53
  naps are pretty stable. I have enough most days.
• 1:03:56
  So I had a 40 minute nap done and then the evening I got out
• 1:03:59
  for something similar, except instead of 2 by 15 minutes, it
• 1:04:02
  was 2 by 10 minutes. And yeah, similar, a strong wind
• 1:04:07
  began. So I was more aware of it this
• 1:04:08
  time same route. And these were in the both of
• 1:04:12
  them were in the Puma daily trainers, the Velocity V4.
• 1:04:16
  And then after the 2nd do, but I've done 8 by 50m turn around
• 1:04:20
  turnabouts. So again, just sort of get the
• 1:04:22
  legs taken over. And though yeah, that was a big
• 1:04:28
  enough day. I think it was 34 kilometers for
• 1:04:30
  today. So I had a decent night's sleep
• 1:04:35
  that night. How is the Spanish cuisine
• 1:04:38
  treating you? Spanish markets.
• 1:04:42
  The roles are incredible. You go in and ask for, well, the
• 1:04:47
  own pond and yeah, to give you this warm, like massive big ass.
• 1:04:52
  And I've just been living awesome.
• 1:04:54
  They're so good. Way better than a bagel like and
• 1:04:57
  they're like 60 cent like different nothing.
• 1:05:01
  And the coffee, even though I panicked, went to a coffee shop
• 1:05:04
  my first day and yeah, not all of them speak English.
• 1:05:10
  So I went in and I was like, can I have a coffee?
• 1:05:13
  And she was like, OK, And she gave me like three different
• 1:05:19
  options stores like Cafe Con Latte, Americano and something
• 1:05:25
  else. And I just panicked.
• 1:05:26
  So I just picked Cafe Con Lat Latte or whatever.
• 1:05:29
  The freak Gala. Yeah, I didn't really.
• 1:05:33
  It was really Milky. It didn't wasn't a fan of that
• 1:05:35
  one. I so like a stronger.
• 1:05:36
  I'm on these. What are they called now?
• 1:05:42
  I forget the name. It's like a basin espresso shot
• 1:05:45
  with some milk in it, a little bit of milk in it.
• 1:05:49
  And but I know, yeah, I'm just eating a heap of pastries as
• 1:05:51
  well. The pastries are so good and
• 1:05:53
  they're just a way larger selection.
• 1:05:56
  Whereas Ireland, you're stuck to like a panel shocker, a plain
• 1:05:59
  croissant or an I'm a croissant, really.
• 1:06:02
  And so, yeah, I'm eating an incredible amount of food.
• 1:06:09
  I didn't think I could actually eat this much food, but I just
• 1:06:12
  know. I do not know how Jake Barclough
• 1:06:14
  does it like he's running, like he's running like triple nearly
• 1:06:20
  what I'm running and how he feels.
• 1:06:23
  It is just, yeah, I don't know. It's funny my my mum always used
• 1:06:29
  to like moan about the this is a stupid subject on podcast.
• 1:06:35
  The volume of toilet roll that I'd go through whilst training a
• 1:06:40
  lot because obviously you're fueling a lot there for your
• 1:06:43
  your bowels are frequently active.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah, yeah, I mean, actually when you say that, but yeah, all
• 1:06:51
  right, that's Tuesday. Wednesday is sort of an easier
• 1:06:55
  day. So I got out for 15 minutes in
• 1:06:57
  the morning. Very, very chill, 10.4
• 1:07:00
  kilometers and like 448 case. So just easy.
• 1:07:04
  And then that evening I went to the gym to do some bike.
• 1:07:09
  So normally on a Wednesday I don't run, I do bike, but
• 1:07:12
  because I'm sort of like getting like I'm not working.
• 1:07:15
  All I'm doing is running and eating and sleeping.
• 1:07:18
  So I feel like I'm able to like tolerate a bit more.
• 1:07:20
  So I went to the bike and done while I was meant to do an hour
• 1:07:24
  and boys my ass was I must have after I picked the bike after
• 1:07:29
  the session I was looking around and I picked like the tennis
• 1:07:33
  saddle. So it started off.
• 1:07:36
  I was meant to do an hour then I went to 45 and then at 35 I was
• 1:07:40
  like I cannot actually do this anymore like my ass is so sore
• 1:07:44
  still. I just called that 35 and that
• 1:07:49
  was my Wednesday. I don't know how you guys do it.
• 1:07:52
  I. Don't know how Ryan does.
• 1:07:55
  He didn't have Bibnix for six months.
• 1:07:59
  I still haven't caught them. I bought the women's ones,
• 1:08:02
  didn't. I took them back and they didn't
• 1:08:04
  have any. Men, you mean you're not riding
• 1:08:06
  with any sort of padded changes? Glutes of steel.
• 1:08:12
  Clearly. And.
• 1:08:15
  So have you rented the bike over?
• 1:08:18
  There no, that was just stationary bike in the gym.
• 1:08:22
  Thursday was the day my coach got in so he flew in on
• 1:08:27
  Thursday. But in the morning I got out for
• 1:08:30
  a nice 65 minute run and so it was like 1515.7 K at 4 O sevens
• 1:08:37
  feeling good. And then my coach came in and
• 1:08:42
  sort of didn't go to plan. So fun to do track session at
• 1:08:46
  like half four and the session was the session was 4K US like
• 1:08:57
  three O 6. So sort of, I don't know if it's
• 1:09:00
  trash out, but three O 6, it's a steady enough pace for me.
• 1:09:04
  And then I was going to do 4K like 250 per kilometer pace and
• 1:09:11
  went to the track and all. And then sure doesn't attract
• 1:09:14
  those at 5 and over there 1/2 or so done my warm up and all done
• 1:09:19
  the 1st 41 KS at like three O 6. And then I thought it'd be
• 1:09:24
  grand. They just like, let us use the
• 1:09:25
  track. But no, this, you know, this one
• 1:09:27
  came down and kicked us off. So on the track is like 2
• 1:09:32
  kilometer jog from the house. So we normally jog down to the
• 1:09:35
  track as part of the warm up drills and strides, do the
• 1:09:38
  session, jog back home. And so we got kicked off.
• 1:09:41
  And so yeah, I had to go home refueled and then just came back
• 1:09:48
  two hours later. So this was like a triple day in
• 1:09:52
  a way. So when you went back, was it
• 1:09:55
  flood little You're doing it in dark?
• 1:09:57
  No flood let it was actually cool atmosphere because there
• 1:09:59
  was like a running group there and there were like some of them
• 1:10:04
  at Halloween, face paint on and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:10:06
  But there was a good it was a good atmosphere there and
• 1:10:09
  because normally when I'm at the track it's just me.
• 1:10:13
  So yeah, went back then in the evening and I don't 2 by 1K
• 1:10:23
  after that threshold, sort of three or six pace.
• 1:10:26
  Then I had I think was 4 minute break and then I had four by AK
• 1:10:34
  at sort of, it's not 5K race pace but it's fast and I hit
• 1:10:40
  them at 2525125251 and there's two minutes rest in between
• 1:10:46
  them. And then I had a 4 minute break
• 1:10:50
  and then I'd four. We just added this on at the
• 1:10:52
  end, 4 by 400 meters off 60 seconds and the four hundreds
• 1:10:56
  were in 626262 and then a 59. I broke 60 for the very first
• 1:11:07
  time. So this is my announcement.
• 1:11:09
  I'm now a 400m runner. I'm sacking off the distance
• 1:11:14
  running. But now I felt really, really
• 1:11:16
  good. And yeah, but mass of day bigger
• 1:11:23
  than expected. I noticed there was a couple of
• 1:11:26
  comments on the activity. Yeah, automation, Ryan, for your
• 1:11:34
  benefit, it says if this is real, I can't see a world where
• 1:11:37
  this doesn't take over most of the pod.
• 1:11:40
  And Owen replied saying we're a cycling pod now.
• 1:11:48
  Yeah, I'm scared we might lose him.
• 1:11:50
  Dean, me and you are going to fall into just having a cycling
• 1:11:53
  podcast an hour and I'll do a spin off running.
• 1:11:56
  Pardon the plan, but yeah, we'll have a spin off.
• 1:12:02
  That is an insane session. They would like to run that 59
• 1:12:05
  on the back of the whole day and then the actual session that
• 1:12:08
  you've done it as part of as well with your 250 KS.
• 1:12:11
  And then the other reps were hardly slow and.
• 1:12:14
  Yeah, so I'm stealing, I am feeling good.
• 1:12:17
  I'm just being wary that I'm not peaking now and even though the
• 1:12:21
  main races in like 3 weeks time. But yeah, I said like I have
• 1:12:26
  made a little jump in fitness recently so I like I'd love to
• 1:12:30
  just like smash a 5K now next week and just see what I could
• 1:12:32
  run because I really don't know. But yeah, massive day.
• 1:12:36
  And but like when you're like just literally running and
• 1:12:39
  eating and sleeping, I feel like it just makes life so much
• 1:12:43
  easier. Like you've no other like you've
• 1:12:44
  no other worries. My only worry is I'm running out
• 1:12:47
  of YouTube videos to watch. Are you?
• 1:12:51
  And you're feeling like you're getting in a good amount of rest
• 1:12:53
  and stuff. I think you're saying the days
• 1:12:55
  still go pretty fast though, because I suppose there's so
• 1:12:58
  much older stuff that you would like to do, you're able to do.
• 1:13:02
  Yeah, so just like rolling out, I went to shop here, got a foam
• 1:13:06
  roller, a massage ball and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:13:10
  And so like, you're constantly either like eating or massaging
• 1:13:13
  or a feel of resting, like you're constantly, like doing
• 1:13:17
  something to try and benefit the running and yeah, loving it.
• 1:13:22
  And like, in the back of my mind, like Thursday was hard,
• 1:13:24
  but like I literally had Friday off.
• 1:13:26
  So I literally just on a little gym session in the morning and
• 1:13:28
  that is just feet up for the rest of the day.
• 1:13:31
  So you ran what you ran this week and had a day off?
• 1:13:35
  Yeah. That's crazy.
• 1:13:38
  That's a big that's some big training days.
• 1:13:41
  Yeah. When you're reading out Adam's
• 1:13:46
  comment then I thought he was going to climax with I can't see
• 1:13:50
  a world where you haven't bumped into Mocheteer seeing as like
• 1:13:53
  you splitting. These insane?
• 1:13:58
  No, haven't seen the blackout yet then.
• 1:14:02
  Yeah. So Friday totally off.
• 1:14:03
  Actually got a massage on Friday as well.
• 1:14:05
  I found a place to give me a massage and I literally, I was
• 1:14:08
  pretty lucky. So I walked out of the gym and
• 1:14:10
  we went for a coffee with my coach and his wife.
• 1:14:13
  And I was like, you know, I could do a massage.
• 1:14:15
  And I went on like Google Maps and there was a massage place
• 1:14:18
  like right beside us. So really went around to him and
• 1:14:21
  then like used Google Translate and all.
• 1:14:23
  And then he's like, OK, 10 minutes.
• 1:14:26
  So I went down, finished my coffee and my cross aunt and
• 1:14:30
  then came back up and it was really cool.
• 1:14:33
  So he gave me this little like it's not an Airpod, but it was
• 1:14:36
  like an earpiece and it translated so I could have like
• 1:14:41
  a follow on conversation with him.
• 1:14:42
  It would translate my English to Spanish and his Spanish to
• 1:14:45
  English. So you could like talk to each
• 1:14:48
  other. It was really, really cool.
• 1:14:50
  Never experienced it before but yeah it's cool.
• 1:14:55
  They must. Maybe they get a few tourists.
• 1:14:57
  Might be. Is it a bit more of a touristy
• 1:14:59
  area? That's pretty clever.
• 1:15:01
  No. Well, I think there's a lot of
• 1:15:02
  Russians moving in now. I don't know why but.
• 1:15:07
  Russians are big on the doping. Aren't they?
• 1:15:14
  I think a lot of Brits are damn houses out here.
• 1:15:16
  But then because use left the EU, now you can't stay in
• 1:15:22
  certain places for a long period of time, whereas I could stay
• 1:15:24
  here forever if I wondered. And so I think they're selling
• 1:15:28
  up or something like that. And.
• 1:15:30
  It's not welcome is what you're saying.
• 1:15:33
  Well, they made themselves not welcome, but whatever.
• 1:15:40
  Yeah. So that was Friday.
• 1:15:42
  Saturday, I just done. Was that 10K easy or 48 pace?
• 1:15:49
  Then I'd like a 45 minute nap and then even I was back at the
• 1:15:54
  track. So this was like the session.
• 1:15:59
  Like I sort of felt the fatigue in the legs a little bit.
• 1:16:02
  So it was 3 by a mile off woman at rest and the mile was in
• 1:16:08
  around that 5 minute mile and three O 6, three O 7 pace.
• 1:16:11
  Actually splits were 308-3083 O 7 off 60 seconds, then I'd 5
• 1:16:17
  minutes rest and then it was 12 * 400 meters off 60 seconds
• 1:16:22
  rest. And the splits were first one I
• 1:16:26
  didn't have the lap split on my watch.
• 1:16:29
  I'd like my heart rate on it. And I was flicking so I missed
• 1:16:32
  the 200 mark to see like because normally like you've checker 200
• 1:16:35
  to see if you're like going well.
• 1:16:38
  And then all the first split will end up being like 70
• 1:16:40
  seconds and I was sort of planet hit like 60 seconds.
• 1:16:44
  So yeah. And going down the back straight
• 1:16:49
  and doesn't or going down the home straight doesn't Matt Edwin
• 1:16:52
  as well, which so I sort of had to go faster in the 1st 200 to
• 1:16:56
  like sort of bank the time if you get me.
• 1:16:59
  But anyway, it was like Stephanie 6768666666676666666565
• 1:17:09
  and yeah, again, feeling like, I don't know if that's 5K face,
• 1:17:14
  but I felt all right, like I could have done another one
• 1:17:18
  anyway. 60 sixes will be 1248 or something per kilometer.
• 1:17:29
  Dean is the man for that. I don't know. 60 sevens would be
• 1:17:33
  because 67 is 5 seconds times 2 is 10 seconds plus another 2
• 1:17:39
  1/2. That's like 247.5.
• 1:17:41
  And but yeah, there's one thing hold enough for 400 meters.
• 1:17:45
  There's another thing holding that for 12 1/2 slaps.
• 1:17:49
  Yeah. But still in the front runner
• 1:17:51
  sessions, we would always do the one mile tempo threshold at the
• 1:17:54
  start. You've just done 3.
• 1:17:58
  Yeah. And then obviously you've got
• 1:17:59
  this ridiculous that that's back-to-back.
• 1:18:01
  We're not back-to-back, but you're only on the track 48
• 1:18:04
  hours prior doing that other silly session.
• 1:18:07
  So like you say, big fatigue. Yes, yeah, that was a total of
• 1:18:12
  that session. It was like 11.3 kilometers, so
• 1:18:14
  45 minutes nearly worth of worth a run in.
• 1:18:18
  And then Sunday was the long run.
• 1:18:22
  So my long runs are normally like just chilling for the first
• 1:18:26
  like 70 and then I pick it up for like 20 minutes at the end.
• 1:18:31
  So that is what I did, run for 90 minutes, sort of 20 minute
• 1:18:34
  pick up. And I totally miscalculated this
• 1:18:37
  one. So 'cause I was picking up at
• 1:18:40
  the end, I sort of had to go out a little bit further.
• 1:18:44
  So I finish at the same point. So I was like, all right, I'll
• 1:18:49
  turn. So normally halfway is 45.
• 1:18:52
  I was like, all right, I'll go out to 55, that'll give me 10
• 1:18:55
  minutes. But sure, wasn't it double S?
• 1:18:57
  It's 20 minutes. I should have went down to 50.
• 1:19:00
  So by the time I'd finished, I still don't know like OK to
• 1:19:03
  drive home and. This is why I like because I was
• 1:19:07
  going to question this. It's taught that you've like, so
• 1:19:09
  you've done your main activity and then you've added to a long
• 1:19:12
  run an activity called cooldown who calls down from the long
• 1:19:17
  run. But.
• 1:19:19
  Now it makes more sense. That's why So yeah, the long run
• 1:19:25
  was what was that? 23.6 kilometers average base of
• 1:19:30
  348. So and then yeah, unfortunately
• 1:19:35
  the I don't a cool down and the cool down was literally stuff.
• 1:19:39
  But that's when I was thinking I was like going like 530 per
• 1:19:43
  kilometer. I was like, I could hold this
• 1:19:46
  for freaking. Like if you're doing the ultra
• 1:19:50
  running 600 kilometers, I swear guys, you could hold it for
• 1:19:52
  ages. I reckon Ron and I'd be lucky to
• 1:19:56
  hold it for 30 minutes at the minute.
• 1:19:59
  No, it's. It's.
• 1:20:02
  I don't know. I think you'd be well and to
• 1:20:04
  hold up well. And.
• 1:20:08
  But yeah, so that was actually. Did you get some nutrition in
• 1:20:11
  for that? Yeah, so I was looking at my
• 1:20:13
  culture on the bike. So I took well every like 5K
• 1:20:18
  nearly I'd have did bix powder. I'd in a bottle still one skip
• 1:20:23
  of the bigs powder. I think there is.
• 1:20:25
  I don't know how many carries are in it.
• 1:20:26
  Pretty is it and 500 mil. So I sipping on that because he
• 1:20:30
  was on the bike beside me and then I took a gel as well at am
• 1:20:34
  halfway. So as well fueled.
• 1:20:36
  It was only 90 minutes as well. It's not like I was gone for
• 1:20:38
  like 2 hours or something. Well, even though it ended up in
• 1:20:40
  nearly two hours, but yeah, well, did.
• 1:20:44
  Some of some of the new big stuff make its way out to
• 1:20:46
  Ireland. As in the new gel of colour
• 1:20:50
  virus, Yeah, I that I think they hit and Europe first I get down
• 1:20:54
  like 2-3 months ago, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:56
  Oh, shit. Oh, there you go.
• 1:20:59
  Yeah, they're nice. Yeah, they're good.
• 1:21:01
  I think I have one flavor. I can't remember what flavor I
• 1:21:03
  have and but and I like the way them flavors are 30 grams and
• 1:21:09
  then you've got the option of 40.
• 1:21:11
  I feel like that 10 grounds actually makes makes a
• 1:21:14
  difference. Like if I'm going for let's say
• 1:21:16
  got at 90 minutes, like a 40 gram will easily fuel you a lot.
• 1:21:21
  Whereas a 30 gram, I don't know. In my head I'm just like I'd
• 1:21:24
  rather just take the 40g for that type of run and then for
• 1:21:27
  the sessions like a 30 gram will do me perfect.
• 1:21:30
  Yeah, I think that's what I think Blad was saying.
• 1:21:32
  They got some feedback that maybe 30 would be helpful for
• 1:21:35
  some, like some people would like a smaller one like.
• 1:21:37
  But then if people are doing lots like like us, and we'd like
• 1:21:41
  the opportunity to have something a bit bigger.
• 1:21:42
  So yeah, I think they've introduced the 31.
• 1:21:46
  It seems to be pretty popular. Yeah, and even like getting to
• 1:21:50
  like do the drink normally I just don't have beside me.
• 1:21:55
  So sort of practice even like getting a drink down because it
• 1:21:57
  is totally different. Like I feel like my heart rate
• 1:21:59
  spikes every time. I even like taking the gel out
• 1:22:01
  in my back pocket. Like your heart rate does spike.
• 1:22:05
  Yeah, you notice that in in marathon workouts, you see your
• 1:22:08
  heart rate jump up every time it's drink bottle time.
• 1:22:12
  Yeah, but yeah, lads, that was 60 kilometer a week, 100 miles,
• 1:22:16
  big way, first time. With a girl.
• 1:22:20
  With a day off and a 45 minute Aqua joke and a 35 minute cycle.
• 1:22:26
  Yeah. It's huge though and they bear
• 1:22:28
  class. I'm coming for you.
• 1:22:34
  He's an animal, that guy. Man, do you think it like?
• 1:22:40
  You ever get to the end of a week?
• 1:22:41
  So you've just put together this week and like, and you're
• 1:22:44
  feeling it, right? Like and you're trying to
• 1:22:46
  recover and like you feel good. It's fun, but like you're tired,
• 1:22:50
  right? But how do you do another 100
• 1:22:53
  kilometers? No, he doesn't have like he does
• 1:22:57
  this back-to-back to back-to-back to back.
• 1:22:59
  Like yeah, I don't even know how his body like and does it.
• 1:23:05
  I don't get it. I really don't like you, just
• 1:23:08
  felt different. I don't know if it's all that
• 1:23:10
  hitting it with a bamboo stick in MO tie that's made in
• 1:23:17
  Superman when it comes to load, but yeah, boggles my mind.
• 1:23:22
  But yeah, so like I felt it this morning and I just went out for
• 1:23:25
  like a 45 minute jog and the legs did feel a little bit
• 1:23:29
  heavy. But I'm not done too.
• 1:23:30
  Like I'm not gonna jog tonight because I am cautious.
• 1:23:33
  Like that is a massive week and like my biggest week ever.
• 1:23:37
  And so I might just sort of like DI might even run as much, but I
• 1:23:42
  still like cross trying to still like keep the ball, hopefully
• 1:23:45
  just hit the sessions just as hard.
• 1:23:47
  But I mean, I'm just playing on the side of caution because the
• 1:23:51
  big racism for another three weeks.
• 1:23:52
  So just another two weeks of training and then I'll taper
• 1:23:55
  time. I was going to ask, did you have
• 1:23:58
  you still been taken the bicarb head to the track sessions or we
• 1:24:02
  dropped that? No.
• 1:24:03
  So in my head, I don't take anything.
• 1:24:06
  I save all that stuff for the race.
• 1:24:10
  So I get like them because like I feel like in training you're
• 1:24:13
  training your body to deal with the high levels.
• 1:24:16
  So then when you take it on the race, you're like, oh, whoa,
• 1:24:19
  it's like your body's like, oh, I can clear really easy.
• 1:24:22
  And that's in my head the top process.
• 1:24:24
  So I don't really. I took it by cab once just to
• 1:24:27
  see how my and my and tummy like reacted to it and it was ground.
• 1:24:33
  So I'm take I took it from there that like I'll be able to take
• 1:24:35
  it for races. Yeah, I just I'm like I'm cannot
• 1:24:39
  wait. I'm leaving them pair of New
• 1:24:40
  Balance rebels out here. They are just they're dead.
• 1:24:45
  They give you giving me nothing. So I'm leaving them out here and
• 1:24:49
  I'm yeah, I don't think I'll be well, not the version 4 anyway.
• 1:24:53
  I won't be getting them well a huge.
• 1:24:54
  Week. Excited to see it all come to a
• 1:24:58
  conclusion in three weeks time. The big dance?
• 1:25:03
  Absolutely. That part with the big boys.
• 1:25:06
  Will some of them be away altitude now do you think or
• 1:25:09
  what? Do them actually your mind.
• 1:25:11
  Cormac Dalton and he ran in Spain.
• 1:25:13
  So I was actually looking at this race.
• 1:25:15
  There's AI think it was a Silver label meet in like San
• 1:25:17
  Sebastian. It was up north of me.
• 1:25:20
  It's like a 7 hour drive and I was going to try and do it, but
• 1:25:23
  it would have been like a lot. It would have taken like nearly
• 1:25:26
  three days of training off me and like running the race.
• 1:25:30
  So it just wasn't worth it. But yeah, a few of them ran in
• 1:25:34
  that race. It was won by like 4 Kenyans.
• 1:25:37
  And then your man Nick, Greg's from Ireland, he was fifth.
• 1:25:40
  Cormac Dalton was 6th. And then the guy who won the arm
• 1:25:43
  open race to Iran and Dublin and the Caprese go he was don't want
• 1:25:47
  to say or something like that. Bush.
• 1:25:50
  And they're I think they're all because I don't know, they're
• 1:25:54
  not, I think they've already done their camp.
• 1:25:56
  Ireland had like a high performance camp and in front
• 1:25:59
  Romeo for like 4 weeks, two weeks ago if you get me.
• 1:26:05
  I'm so I don't know if they'll get away again before nationals,
• 1:26:10
  but they're basically living the life here, the life like the
• 1:26:14
  full training life, just in Ireland, which I am not looking
• 1:26:18
  forward to going back to. I heard on another podcast is it
• 1:26:22
  Brian Fay is heading over for it as well.
• 1:26:25
  It's like Aussie based. Is he doing the Nationals?
• 1:26:31
  That's going to be interesting because I think it's around a
• 1:26:32
  heap of football pitches and it's not going to be your it's
• 1:26:37
  going to be Aussie cross country, if you get me.
• 1:26:40
  Should say American. Yeah, it's to all the boys so.
• 1:26:44
  And especially because 7 1/2 K, it'll suit the 5K guys.
• 1:26:48
  Yeah, I like Brian because. The work is good.
• 1:26:52
  No, the only thing that can help me is if it's a mud bath.
• 1:26:58
  No, but I mean, why is the why? Is it going to be a good course
• 1:27:01
  because the the weather's good at the minute or with just the
• 1:27:04
  football pitches handle the weather anyway?
• 1:27:06
  Don't take flat all them fast boys like all they want, like
• 1:27:09
  the hills take it out of them. But when it's pancake flat they
• 1:27:13
  just get rolling and basically like the track.
• 1:27:17
  So we'll see what happens. But yeah, no, it's exciting.
• 1:27:21
  You're doing everything you can anyway.
• 1:27:24
  Basically a little make me or break me.
• 1:27:26
  Do we want to do YouTube Diaries now?
• 1:27:27
  Because we seem to always push it to the end and then get very
• 1:27:31
  squashed for time, so we should give it some justice.
• 1:27:35
  Yeah, we we were going to talk about.
• 1:27:40
  So we didn't pray, we didn't talk through this race.
• 1:27:42
  But ahead of the New York Marathon is the 5K race the day
• 1:27:48
  before. And in the men's race, Adam
• 1:27:51
  Fogg, who spent time in Oz but runs for GB, was fairly
• 1:27:56
  prominent in that race, ended up finishing fourth.
• 1:27:59
  But yeah, he's I'm surprised we haven't spoken about his YouTube
• 1:28:03
  series yet, but I remember following him during COVID.
• 1:28:07
  He was based in Saint, Queensland, I think, and
• 1:28:10
  vlogging his experience, like posting regular content has his
• 1:28:14
  own like catchy Jingle to intro his videos.
• 1:28:17
  I could probably sing a couple of lines of it, which is
• 1:28:20
  embarrassing on multiple fronts. But but yeah, like I remember he
• 1:28:27
  won a might have been like the Sydney 5K race, like he out
• 1:28:31
  sprinted. It might have been Benson
• 1:28:32
  Lawrence for to dip under 14 minutes for the first time, like
• 1:28:37
  any sort of logged his lead up to that, like he was not he was
• 1:28:40
  like a 14 low. But then you sort of, you know,
• 1:28:43
  through that YouTube series saw him break 14 minutes.
• 1:28:45
  Then he went over to Drake Uni and which wasn't one of like the
• 1:28:50
  top universities, but he him and some of his training partners
• 1:28:54
  worked really well together. And he sort of logged that
• 1:28:56
  series, you know, gave some insight into how how college
• 1:29:00
  life was and racing over there and ended up doing quite well.
• 1:29:04
  I can't remember if he won an NCAA indoor mile title, but he
• 1:29:07
  was certainly competitive and then signed with Under Armour as
• 1:29:12
  a pro and so and competes for for them.
• 1:29:16
  And yeah, he's gone on to run under 350 for the mile, which is
• 1:29:20
  seriously impressive. Sends it on some of his long
• 1:29:23
  runs, which he blogs and he's, you know, seems to have very
• 1:29:25
  supportive parents, gets around the park run scene.
• 1:29:28
  And but yeah, I don't know. He has his own authentic style
• 1:29:31
  of video and I do find myself consuming them from time to
• 1:29:34
  time. Does he film it all himself and
• 1:29:39
  does he train solo? Was he of like a little training
• 1:29:42
  squad? I haven't seen as much of his
• 1:29:46
  training. He was based in America for a
• 1:29:48
  period of time there with with the training squad, but I
• 1:29:51
  haven't seen as much of it recently I think.
• 1:29:54
  Do you know on? So like Under Armour Baltimore
• 1:29:59
  or something like that. There is a big group of them and
• 1:30:03
  his most recent videos, he's like in the Under Armour
• 1:30:05
  headquarters, which is it looks pretty cool.
• 1:30:09
  I just don't know why they don't push the running shoes.
• 1:30:11
  Like you don't even one like Sharon, like Eddie, like I
• 1:30:14
  wouldn't have a clue. Wash shoe.
• 1:30:16
  She run the race in or like what?
• 1:30:19
  A daily trainer from Under Armour.
• 1:30:21
  You just don't hear any of them talk about it.
• 1:30:24
  Whereas yeah, you hear them talk about the Romeo structure, all
• 1:30:27
  that sort of stuff. I guess you had them talk, but
• 1:30:29
  Under Armour very quiet. And like they said, they were
• 1:30:32
  trashed for a period of time. I remember when Steve's
• 1:30:35
  Scullion, I think he got to run in.
• 1:30:36
  I don't know if he like just texted them out, but he used to
• 1:30:39
  run in like a pair of vapor Flyers for a period of time or 4
• 1:30:42
  percents next percents when he was first started running for
• 1:30:47
  them. But I think now they've created
• 1:30:48
  some decent footwear, but you just wouldn't know.
• 1:30:50
  You just don't know anything about.
• 1:30:53
  It remember, I'm sure Matt Fox, Underswear Elite back in the day
• 1:30:58
  done a training video with like that Under Armour squad out
• 1:31:01
  there. I wonder if Adam Fogg would have
• 1:31:04
  featured in that maybe two or three years ago.
• 1:31:11
  Yeah, I don't know. Yes, Under Armour, really weird,
• 1:31:15
  like train group names. I think there's another one like
• 1:31:18
  Dark Sky, Under Armour, Dark Sky.
• 1:31:20
  Yeah. And then and who's the UK?
• 1:31:24
  Mylar, he's the Scottish guy. It's not white, man.
• 1:31:30
  It's not cursed. You're the guy.
• 1:31:31
  Girly. No girly.
• 1:31:32
  He's with another, he's Under Armour as well, but they've got
• 1:31:36
  some good athletes, just you hear nothing about them.
• 1:31:39
  Yeah, actually. Well, what, what would he work?
• 1:31:43
  Would he work? Would he wear Under Armour
• 1:31:45
  spikes? Yeah, you'd be able to see on
• 1:31:48
  his on his photos. Well, even all the Aussie girls.
• 1:31:54
  She's Under Armour as well, low, annoying.
• 1:31:57
  Well, yeah, his stuff is really good.
• 1:31:58
  He's in like a transition period as well.
• 1:32:00
  I think he's moving open distances.
• 1:32:02
  I think he's got some Philadelphia half marathon he's
• 1:32:05
  training for now and he don't have Martin there before this
• 1:32:10
  fight K race and I think around like 66 as part of a training
• 1:32:13
  run. So he'll probably go well.
• 1:32:15
  Like he's the type of guy that could run a super fast night and
• 1:32:18
  I think like after like you just suit some.
• 1:32:20
  He's gonna fall off the back of that.
• 1:32:22
  Yeah, it's smooth. Isn't he efficient?
• 1:32:24
  He sort of fell off the back at the New York race.
• 1:32:29
  Yeah, it just in that just went uphill at the end.
• 1:32:32
  I think that last 150 minutes he was sort of there or thereabouts
• 1:32:36
  and then they oh, did you watch? Did you see the women's race in
• 1:32:39
  that? It was very it was a good
• 1:32:42
  finish, the. Year one came from nowhere.
• 1:32:44
  Yeah, she's like, I think she'd won it the two times previous
• 1:32:50
  and was 4. And the other three athletes
• 1:32:54
  who, gosh, I'm going to butcher their names, but Parker Valby.
• 1:32:59
  Only Saint Pierre. Saint Pierre, who just come back
• 1:33:02
  to trial six months ago. Yeah.
• 1:33:06
  And they were both sort of making the moves.
• 1:33:09
  And there's some. Oh, and oh, Bueni coladi.
• 1:33:13
  That's it. Yeah, they they were all sort of
• 1:33:15
  mixing it, duking it out and it looked like it was a three horse
• 1:33:18
  race. And then the I've forgotten her
• 1:33:20
  name, but she she'd one of the last two years and just sat off
• 1:33:24
  the back and just sort of knew that the the time to send it was
• 1:33:27
  up that hill. Sort of finished his uphill a
• 1:33:29
  bit and just ran over the top of them.
• 1:33:31
  It was a very good. Race.
• 1:33:33
  She's, I think she's a Solomon outlet.
• 1:33:34
  I think her gear was all Solomon, which is yeah, that's
• 1:33:39
  crazy. It's cool that there's so many
• 1:33:41
  different companies now that are funding athletes and creating
• 1:33:45
  opportunities. Her name is Annie Rodenfeld.
• 1:33:50
  That's yeah. Yeah, good.
• 1:33:51
  Thanks for that. I'll admittedly haven't really
• 1:33:54
  watched any of his stuff before, so I'll trust your opinion and
• 1:33:57
  get on it because I have a 60 minute cross train lined up in
• 1:34:01
  the morning. Could be me, certainly won't be
• 1:34:05
  listening to the Easy double podcast.
• 1:34:07
  Can't can't be doing that. Can't listen to your own voice.
• 1:34:10
  Quite painful it's. So.
• 1:34:12
  Painful. I don't know, Jake, when he goes
• 1:34:16
  on interviews and stuff, he actively goes and listens to
• 1:34:19
  them afterwards that she can't do it.
• 1:34:22
  You know, like sometimes when you'll even hear the echo and
• 1:34:24
  you can hear your own voice. I'm like, Oh no.
• 1:34:26
  Right. Then a couple of news items
• 1:34:28
  before we finish off the last week in the week, the Sydney
• 1:34:32
  ballot results went out. I know one guy from my run club
• 1:34:36
  back home, Molly, which like fair play to him, he was willing
• 1:34:40
  to travel from the UK to race Sydney.
• 1:34:43
  He's around 1520 ish or maybe 1510 five K.
• 1:34:49
  So he's good runner, accomplished runner.
• 1:34:51
  He's got a 238 marathon PB and he went into the high
• 1:34:55
  performance program, which is like the subbelite preferred
• 1:34:59
  type start, however you want to call it.
• 1:35:01
  And I think with his 238, he was pretty confident or hopeful that
• 1:35:06
  he's got a spot because the infamous BQ or Boston qualifier
• 1:35:11
  time is 255. And now with like the
• 1:35:14
  competitiveness nowadays, you can't get in with 255, but I
• 1:35:18
  think if you run like 250 or thereabouts, 248, then you're
• 1:35:24
  pretty good. Obviously flex all that to your
• 1:35:27
  age group as well. This is just for the open
• 1:35:29
  category. And he got the rejection e-mail
• 1:35:32
  and he was gutted. So then I went on to the Sydney
• 1:35:35
  Marathon like page on Instagram where they like posted that the
• 1:35:39
  results were out. And there's like so many people
• 1:35:42
  in the comments like, oh, I'm 40 to 45 and have ran 244 like 18
• 1:35:49
  minutes under the standard like however not got in.
• 1:35:52
  So I think they as they've done it deliberately to get people
• 1:35:58
  talking or they just balls stuff like the qualifying criteria.
• 1:36:04
  Because a lot of people were also calling for them to like
• 1:36:06
  publish the numbers in terms of like how many people applied and
• 1:36:10
  how many places were available in the 1st place.
• 1:36:13
  So you end up they ended up saying they had 6397
• 1:36:17
  applications, up from 237 last year.
• 1:36:21
  I don't know how that doesn't really add up to me.
• 1:36:24
  I know obviously the fact that it's a major now will bring it
• 1:36:28
  so much more attention. But to go from 200 to 6 1/2
• 1:36:32
  thousand for only 600 places. So even if you had run the time
• 1:36:39
  to qualify for it, you've got to be in the fastest 10% of those
• 1:36:42
  people who qualified. So pretty brutal cut off.
• 1:36:46
  And then the day after they announced the open ballot,
• 1:36:51
  obviously anyone can enter the ballot.
• 1:36:54
  So they had 123,000 entries for that, which the saying is up 56%
• 1:36:58
  from last year, which seems a bit more of a realistic jump
• 1:37:02
  than going up like 1000%. But yeah, a few people happy, a
• 1:37:08
  few people disappointed. But the main thing is that
• 1:37:11
  Sydney seems to be growing. It's clearly oversubscribed and
• 1:37:15
  I'm sure there'll be like many internationals coming through
• 1:37:18
  now on the back of the first major this year and haven't kept
• 1:37:21
  Chogi and Hassan there. I'm sure that was part of the
• 1:37:23
  plan. Wonder how many of them are like
• 1:37:27
  international and how many of them are like within Australia
• 1:37:30
  like Well we see a massive drop off and the likes of Gold Coast
• 1:37:33
  to Gold Coast take a massive hit.
• 1:37:37
  Yeah, interesting isn't it? I reckon like Sydney's a global
• 1:37:40
  tourist destination anyway, so now there's an excuse to go
• 1:37:44
  there to do a major. I reckon it will bring a lot of
• 1:37:48
  international tourism once kind of like over the next couple of
• 1:37:51
  years as where it gets around the globe that Sydney is a legit
• 1:37:54
  event, yeah. It's sort of like I sort of plan
• 1:37:56
  my like, what country do I want to go to?
• 1:37:59
  Oh yeah, there's a race there. So I go to that country.
• 1:38:02
  A lot of people doing that and stuff.
• 1:38:05
  Yeah, it's probably like Sydney maybe is on a lot of people in
• 1:38:08
  Europe or America's bucket list, but it's like literally that far
• 1:38:11
  away. It's hard to justify it.
• 1:38:13
  And then if you're a runner and that crops up, you're like,
• 1:38:15
  jeez, I'm there if I can get an entry.
• 1:38:19
  Did any of you boys apply? No, but then when I see I didn't
• 1:38:22
  even know it was open. To be honest.
• 1:38:23
  That's all detached I am. But then when I see no less I
• 1:38:26
  was getting belief I don't thought I should have.
• 1:38:31
  NAR. No noise.
• 1:38:34
  I don't know if you've seen these stories, so Sepco popped
• 1:38:38
  up on my Instagram feed a couple of times this week.
• 1:38:41
  First one was they announced this.
• 1:38:43
  I can't make sense of it. Anyway, Techno Gym and World
• 1:38:46
  Athletics have partnered up to create the World Treadmill
• 1:38:50
  Running Championships and they're trying to spin it as
• 1:38:53
  though like recreational runners have a chance to compete against
• 1:38:56
  professionals and like progress through the rounds, all this
• 1:39:00
  sorts of stuff. So their techno gym are the
• 1:39:03
  supplier of treadmills for the Olympics and for World Athletics
• 1:39:06
  and the China market it as the shaking up the concept of
• 1:39:10
  running and breaking the geographical barriers.
• 1:39:12
  Like anyone can enter on a treadmill and weather isn't a
• 1:39:17
  factor. But I just, I don't know, I
• 1:39:21
  might be proven wrong and I'll be happy to eat my words and
• 1:39:23
  I'll do it on here if so if if it is amazing but I just don't
• 1:39:27
  get the point of it. Weather is a factor though, but
• 1:39:32
  you can just artificially create an environment around your
• 1:39:35
  treadmill. You probably blow blow air
• 1:39:37
  behind you. Just be be wary.
• 1:39:43
  I've done technology and treadmills because I got tuned
• 1:39:45
  on Monday bro. No way that was at the brow.
• 1:39:51
  That's so funny. When I'm when I read this
• 1:39:53
  initially I was thinking, oh, if we if we suck up to techno gym
• 1:39:57
  we might get out on a treadmill. But that's the one that broke on
• 1:40:00
  you. Just get out on a treadmill
• 1:40:01
  repair person. I've had bad experiences.
• 1:40:05
  But anyway, it's going to all ramp up towards a world final in
• 1:40:09
  what's for now being quoted as an iconic location where the top
• 1:40:13
  ten men and women will compete in a 5K treadmill time trial.
• 1:40:19
  I just people are going to be flying off the back of these
• 1:40:21
  treadmills. Like, you know, just crank it up
• 1:40:25
  for like 23 kilometers an hour and just try and hold on for as
• 1:40:28
  long as possible, yeah. And you can cheat.
• 1:40:33
  Obviously the cheat and elements, yeah.
• 1:40:36
  Yeah, you can sort of, you know when you're like adjusting the.
• 1:40:40
  So we used to in Perth there used to be a corporate event.
• 1:40:44
  It used to run for 12 hours and used to do half hour slots on
• 1:40:47
  the treadmill. And I used to do it because the
• 1:40:50
  fastest leg time for the day used to get like a 12 month
• 1:40:54
  membership to fitness first or something like that, that house
• 1:40:57
  would use. So I was always keen to because
• 1:41:01
  I'm wasted when it comes to gym work.
• 1:41:03
  But but like I'd have mates that would take their leg and they'd
• 1:41:08
  just put put their hands like pretend like they're adjusting
• 1:41:10
  the time, but they're just holding themselves up with their
• 1:41:12
  arms, you know, on the treadmill.
• 1:41:14
  So I would like their legs would just pass underneath them.
• 1:41:17
  I don't know. I don't know about treadmill
• 1:41:19
  world chance. It just feels feels easier to
• 1:41:22
  dope the knees, and it does in the real world.
• 1:41:27
  Especially when you strap your ulcer G onto it and you run at
• 1:41:30
  50% body weight. Exactly.
• 1:41:33
  Just put some elastic. Have you seen those?
• 1:41:36
  There's. There's.
• 1:41:38
  Lever. There's lever things.
• 1:41:40
  Yeah, Levers. Yeah, that's it.
• 1:41:44
  I can't knock him something up his sleeve.
• 1:41:47
  The the second reason why he was on my Instagram feed was he was
• 1:41:51
  apologizing or issuing a statement, which this, this one
• 1:41:54
  was kind of quite caught my eye quite dramatically.
• 1:41:58
  They've been getting World Athletics have been robbed by
• 1:42:02
  two of their employees. So the colonists was the quote.
• 1:42:06
  They uncovered systematic internal theft totaling over
• 1:42:10
  €1.5 million over several years. So they brought a new finance
• 1:42:15
  leadership team in and they conducted probably what was a
• 1:42:18
  BAU annual audit and they undercover the two employees had
• 1:42:23
  been skimming all the accounts. I.
• 1:42:26
  Don't know why I'm laughing, but they've sent all the information
• 1:42:29
  over to the authorities for criminal investigation.
• 1:42:33
  So Mr. Coe had this tail between his legs there.
• 1:42:36
  Because that's not the kind of PR that you need, is it?
• 1:42:40
  You wouldn't think it'd be the most.
• 1:42:41
  Common name is funny. Organization, would it?
• 1:42:46
  In terms of financial flows, where do they collect money
• 1:42:49
  from? Techno gym, all the countries
• 1:42:54
  pained on to not get dope like to not get cat doping.
• 1:42:58
  Did they have anything to do with that?
• 1:43:00
  You wouldn't declare that anyway.
• 1:43:01
  We don't test detail for profit, I suppose.
• 1:43:06
  The the headquarters is based in Monaco, I think as well.
• 1:43:09
  So there wouldn't be much work for you even there, Dean.
• 1:43:12
  No. That's it.
• 1:43:14
  The last couple of things, so we shared on our story about Morgan
• 1:43:17
  McDonald announced that he's leaving his current setup with
• 1:43:21
  on and he done an interesting video which was I thought was
• 1:43:24
  like fair play to him. He's explained it very well and
• 1:43:27
  made it sound like a positive, which hopefully it will be.
• 1:43:31
  So fair play to him for making a bold jump.
• 1:43:35
  And like, that is a bold jump. Like he had the world on, like
• 1:43:40
  all the facilities, he had everything at his fingertips.
• 1:43:44
  And like he could have just kept on going and like tried to make
• 1:43:49
  it work. But like he, he's getting on as
• 1:43:52
  well, isn't he? He's not the young spring
• 1:43:54
  chicken anymore. So fair play time.
• 1:43:56
  I'd love to know where he's gone, like what his setup is
• 1:43:59
  going to be now, like what he just trained solo the whole time
• 1:44:02
  or like what's happening. But yeah, no fair play to him
• 1:44:05
  because it was a was a big, massive decision.
• 1:44:10
  Especially the the podcast they probably you got it in.
• 1:44:16
  No, I was just going to say like, like I mentioned part of
• 1:44:20
  it because he keeps getting recurring injuries, but you've
• 1:44:23
  seen someone like Jordy Beamish who's suffered similar injury
• 1:44:27
  setbacks, but has managed to make it work in that environment
• 1:44:30
  as well. So I'd have to wire on you,
• 1:44:32
  right? Like the coffee club, like
• 1:44:35
  that's all based around, like OAC, his girlfriend is about
• 1:44:39
  OAC. Yeah, like big, big life
• 1:44:41
  changes. Yeah, so we'll see.
• 1:44:43
  Keep an eye on what he's up to and when he announces what his
• 1:44:46
  new setup will be. That leaves us with double
• 1:44:51
  trouble. I don't know if anything is
• 1:44:54
  rattled you guys in the past week, maybe we've reached a
• 1:44:57
  couple already but I did have one as a go to.
• 1:45:00
  Again this might be just showing my spite, getting pissed off by
• 1:45:03
  things that shouldn't really affect me.
• 1:45:05
  However, Owen, keen for your thoughts on this because you
• 1:45:10
  have a objective view as I do as non Australian citizens and we
• 1:45:14
  might piss off the Australians here and I need to be careful
• 1:45:17
  because I'm the one still living in their country.
• 1:45:20
  So also acknowledging that you can do whatever you like.
• 1:45:24
  The way they change people's names and sometimes for no
• 1:45:29
  reason put an O on the end or swap a letter for an O.
• 1:45:34
  So like I know Dean's makes sense because Dean now I don't
• 1:45:38
  know why it makes sense, right? But so Izzy Beth Doyle and Andy
• 1:45:42
  Buchanan were on the on the series together and they changed
• 1:45:47
  it. So Izzy like 4 letters and Andy
• 1:45:51
  4 letters. They change the names to Izzo
• 1:45:55
  and Ando. It's it's.
• 1:45:59
  Freaking mind boggling they do smoko Alvo.
• 1:46:04
  Everything has an O at the end. It's so weird.
• 1:46:09
  Has. Someone called you Mono at work
• 1:46:11
  and you're now just upset about it.
• 1:46:13
  To be fair, Ben, you. Ref calls you I think refs
• 1:46:20
  still. Coming Oh no, no, it's when
• 1:46:24
  there's it's when it's needless and it like when it already ends
• 1:46:28
  in the E sound, whether that be an IE or AY and it gets swapped
• 1:46:33
  for an O So like, Oh no, that would never work.
• 1:46:40
  Do you know for some reason sounds or seems like it works.
• 1:46:44
  Yeah. But anyway, the one that got me
• 1:46:46
  most was a couple of years ago. I remember watching the news and
• 1:46:50
  the journalist was covering this news story.
• 1:46:53
  And then she proceeds to say the the fire rows are on the way and
• 1:46:57
  I couldn't believe it. Like yeah you Aussies come on.
• 1:47:02
  Playing 25. Nearly 2026.
• 1:47:09
  But I'm sure I say things that piss everyone else off as well,
• 1:47:11
  so let me know what it is. Liverpool.
• 1:47:16
  I reckon that's us. Yeah, I don't like that.
• 1:47:21
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• 1:47:24
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• 1:47:26
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• 1:47:29
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• 1:47:31
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