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Castle Black - House of the Dragon S3 EP 1 REVIEW · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: You know, you know what, Portia and I have to
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  Speaker 1: take off my glasses because I was trying to hold
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  Speaker 1: off talking about this, but you left me no choice.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm really upset about this. And welcome Internet's to
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  Speaker 1: a new season, a new episode of Castle Black. We
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  Speaker 1: are back the blackest Game of Throne podcast in all
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  Speaker 1: of the realms. It is I one of your hosts,
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  Speaker 1: Tatiana King aka Sir Arlen of the Dollar Tree aka
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  Speaker 1: Lord of Lightsabers aka it was all a dream fire,
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  Speaker 1: Tatiana handed the King, Tatiana Blackwoods and Tatiana the kings Layer,
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  Speaker 1: and I am rejoined by the most famous master in
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  Speaker 1: all of the realms.
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  Speaker 2: That's me Portia aka Measter p aka Dragon Right aka
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  Speaker 2: Lady Mary Jane of High Garden aka Keeper of the
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  Speaker 2: Ice and Fire Tea.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, I like that one. That's a nice new one.
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  Speaker 1: I like that excellent. So welcome everybody. We are back
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  Speaker 1: with House of Dragons. I'm going to say the way
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  Speaker 1: I want to say it. Don't don't love people love
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  Speaker 1: to correct us. I'm going to say the way I
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  Speaker 1: say it. Okay, I'm black. I'm going to take out
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  Speaker 1: words put in words. We're back for season three. This
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  Speaker 1: is episode one, Salt and Sea, Fire and Blood. Before
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  Speaker 1: we jump right into things, I want to say, were
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  Speaker 1: you very much anticipating season three to come out? Where
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  Speaker 1: remember if you think about where we left off versus
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  Speaker 1: where we are now, and it's been a while, has
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  Speaker 1: been like two years since basically we last talked about it,
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  Speaker 1: So let me try it a second. About it during
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  Speaker 1: Duck and Egg but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like how hype were you for
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  Speaker 2: this newest season, To be honest with you or not,
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  Speaker 2: I think I think Dunk an Egg like put me
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  Speaker 2: in a place where I was like, probably in my
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  Speaker 2: best mindset to return to this world, like okay, like
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  Speaker 2: I feel the energy of like want to be back
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  Speaker 2: in West ROAs again, okay, but at the same time
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  Speaker 2: to be back with this part of.
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  Speaker 1: The world, like this history of the world. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't like chopping at the bit about it. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I can't wait till it
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  Speaker 2: gets on the TV. But I knew it's like out
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  Speaker 2: this weekend, and I was like, okay, Like when I
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  Speaker 2: have like preparation for this recording, I'm like, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: be happy to like get back into conversation be like
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  Speaker 2: in the chats again about like what's going on here
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  Speaker 2: and talking to you and everyone from fan fam about it.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess it's more about the fan experience, to
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  Speaker 2: be honest, than it really is necessarily about the show itself.
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  Speaker 1: How about you? Like you? Like I was on the
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  Speaker 1: Dunken Egg vibe where I think I had said before,
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  Speaker 1: back when we were reviewing that that it gave me
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  Speaker 1: like it was it's how the Dragon, but it gave
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  Speaker 1: me a different feeling, like it wasn't just all dread
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  Speaker 1: and you know, let's root for the murderers, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: it was just like it was. I don't know, it
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  Speaker 1: was just different. It was a more lighter feeling. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: how Duncan Egg was a different approach. It was more
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  Speaker 1: like tongue in cheek. It was more commony. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was a lot more than that. And now you know
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  Speaker 1: we're back to the you know, the infighting, right, So
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  Speaker 1: I knew it was coming. I was preparing myself when
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  Speaker 1: the promo was out, like it made me feel a
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  Speaker 1: way like okay, like I gotta get I gotta lock in,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's what it is. Like I just realized,
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  Speaker 1: like damn we back to this. I gotta lock in.
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  Speaker 1: It's about to be all hell and fury. Nobody's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be happy. From my understanding, everybody gonna get it in
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  Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. You know, we'll get there
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  Speaker 1: when we get there, but nobody wins in the family
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  Speaker 1: feuds exactly right to quote the famous prophet jay Z.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, I I don't know. So as mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: this is the first episode back, everybody's ready to fight,
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  Speaker 1: like it's like immedia now. I will say I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciated that this was an action filled episode that
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like there was there was plenty of dialogue,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't like any slow or lolls in this show.
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty much goal from Jump Street And how
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  Speaker 1: what did you think about that?
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  Speaker 2: I think even from the recap, we were getting like
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  Speaker 2: it was like preparing us for like, Okay, we're not
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  Speaker 2: in some people are trying to pick sides. Now we're
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  Speaker 2: not like all the sides are chosen and uh, we're
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  Speaker 2: just being ready for what's about to be.
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  Speaker 1: I did appreciate that. I think that the one thing.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say from like the other thing I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate about each new season is that there's always a
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  Speaker 2: new intro, so this one was the Tapestry, but it
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  Speaker 2: being focused.
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  Speaker 1: On primarily the dragons.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a good kind of sad, like I
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  Speaker 2: love the dragons, but it's kind of like a last
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  Speaker 2: hurrah to like seeing all the all this many dragons,
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  Speaker 2: because not all of them someone I've already been taken out.
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  Speaker 2: But you're going to see this, sus We're going to
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  Speaker 2: see this many dragons on the board. This season is
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  Speaker 2: the last season we're going to see that. So they
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  Speaker 2: making that very clear by having us start off the
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  Speaker 2: season with a battle and you know, spoiler but no spoiler,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to we see a dragon taken out.
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  Speaker 1: By the end of this episode, we see mad battles
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  Speaker 1: and like as even on the ground, like it was
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  Speaker 1: Lancy Air, every literally everywhere there could be a fight,
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  Speaker 1: a fight was had. We opened, you know, we start
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  Speaker 1: with Damon and him going crazy, what was he in
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  Speaker 1: the Riverlands? Like where the fuck was Damon? And the
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  Speaker 1: rest of them like, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the riverlands, Like, but the Tolleys are right,
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  Speaker 2: And there's the good thing about that. I guess it's
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  Speaker 2: like outside of hair in Hall. Right, so he's still
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  Speaker 2: he's made claim for hair in Hall. He's sticking there.
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  Speaker 1: That's his Oh that's right. That's when he's going crazy
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  Speaker 1: and uh hallucinating and the witch came to him. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: Luigi's mansion Okay, I remember, Yeah, the crumbling mansion. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So uh he he's based there and that's why they
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  Speaker 2: have that host of people. And I think it's interesting
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  Speaker 2: because I think before we even get to Damon, we
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  Speaker 2: see Laris and uh yeah yeah Agon.
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  Speaker 1: The fiftieth because there's so many freaking eggons. He's in
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  Speaker 1: this flow line. He's like the second or third because
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  Speaker 1: it's before, but still he's he's not that interesting. An
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  Speaker 1: he's like one of the more interesting ones, but still
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  Speaker 1: not that interesting. No, I never found the mystery, even
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  Speaker 1: when he had half his face in the hair, Like,
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  Speaker 1: he has never been interested to me. He's always been
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  Speaker 1: a little ship.
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  Speaker 2: Like we think what he became two faces, some things
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  Speaker 2: would be interesting, but you know, not really.
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  Speaker 1: Not really, but but go ahead and talk about them.
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  Speaker 1: That ship was funny. That ship was funny to me,
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  Speaker 1: Like my man's just trying to save your ass and
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  Speaker 1: like the least you can do, like jes to keep
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  Speaker 1: your life. I mean, it's it's two things to it.
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  Speaker 1: At first, I'm just like, damn, you can't even pretend
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  Speaker 1: to ben the me just to save your life. Then
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  Speaker 1: at the other end, I'm like, well, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: fuck with you because you know you stay ten toes down,
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  Speaker 1: like you ain't gonna you ain't gonna show fealty to nobody.
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  Speaker 1: You know you you want to be the true king.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a time and the place and you guys
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  Speaker 1: to do you want to live or you want to die?
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  Speaker 1: What's ridiculous about it? There?
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  Speaker 2: No, this was ridiculous about it is that he was
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  Speaker 2: like initially showing that hesitation, but as soon as Larry
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  Speaker 2: started being like, oh no, this is actually him, he
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh shit, no, actually no I'm not him.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what this. What's he talking about?
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  Speaker 1: You bitch? Made? Which one is it?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that. I don't whenever home.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to say, and I'm gonna look this
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  Speaker 2: up if I gotten on here, so please correct me
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  Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. But I'm used to the black and
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  Speaker 2: white because it's easy for us to like infer being
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  Speaker 2: the title for the banner for Beesberry, and I'm pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure that people who stopped the car are beings Bury
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  Speaker 2: and interrogate them about what's like, who's here? And then
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  Speaker 2: Laris of course tells them to take them hostage rather
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  Speaker 2: than kill them. But honestly, honestly, I think that Raynier
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  Speaker 2: and them would have been happy if they would have just.
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  Speaker 1: Chopped off their heads and just presented them the heads.
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  Speaker 2: Lari's was like playing as if that was actually trying
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  Speaker 2: to bargain for another day of life. But like, did
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  Speaker 2: you think you think they've got, Well, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be but you think they got they gonna make it
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  Speaker 2: or they're gonna get killed, regardless of what are you saying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying that Larry's whole point was that the Queen
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  Speaker 2: won't tank kindly to you killing the king. She like
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  Speaker 2: they would want to have to make that decision for themselves,
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  Speaker 2: and so for you to do it, being a lord
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  Speaker 2: under her banner without her permission, will get like you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get more out of it of like presenting us
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  Speaker 2: to her for her to make a decision than for
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  Speaker 2: you to make a decision on the road to yourself.
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  Speaker 2: But like I again, I think that the way that
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  Speaker 2: they have functioned, especially after they killed Luke's loose. It's
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  Speaker 2: all hands on deck, Like whoever can take a body,
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  Speaker 2: can take a body like it is what it is,
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  Speaker 2: if it's a Tigerian like on the opposite side, do
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  Speaker 2: it like we're not worried take it. So I think
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  Speaker 2: right near, I would actually be happy if like two
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  Speaker 2: of her enemies were gone without her having to do
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  Speaker 2: anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: This is true, that's true. I mean I think she
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  Speaker 1: got bigger things to worry about, especially her.
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  Speaker 2: On the throne, So if he was just taking out
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  Speaker 2: she'd be happy, like she wouldn't have to worry about it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: she will remember her whole thing also was about taking
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  Speaker 2: his head like that that really mattered. And then remember
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  Speaker 2: and this also leads to the whole conversation with Allison.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll leading from that conversation with Alison about when
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  Speaker 2: Alison slipped through the night and told.
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  Speaker 1: Her yo, I'll give you the city whatever whatever. Now
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  Speaker 1: we see Alison talking to Aimin like trying to get
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  Speaker 1: and to inadvertently go along with this plan that she's concocted.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't like Alison bro Like I've tried for
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  Speaker 1: many many years, many years, you've tried. All right, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I ain't tried, but I don't mess with her man
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  Speaker 1: like I just it's just something about her energy that
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  Speaker 1: bothers me deeply. And even when she's supposedly like trying
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  Speaker 1: to do things for her, I mean, I don't even
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  Speaker 1: want to say great of good, but she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want no bloodshed. She's just trying to save
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  Speaker 1: save the rest of our family. I don't know, it
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  Speaker 1: just seems so everything seems disingenuine with her. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: then you know, like I said, but the fact that
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  Speaker 1: I guess she she uses that to try to play
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  Speaker 1: like old Amen, I care about you, I want you,
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  Speaker 1: won't you go to hairn home and be safe and
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  Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. How nasty was the next
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  Speaker 1: thing that preceded that conversation, What the fuck is wronging Emo?
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  Speaker 1: What's wrong with the target?
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about the layers of what's wrong with the amen,
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  Speaker 2: like and this is like, but before we get into
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  Speaker 2: that first, like, I do want to say one of
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  Speaker 2: the things Jay said whenever he was talking whenever we're
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  Speaker 2: near we're trying to convince him that, like Allison was
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  Speaker 2: trustworthy on this like plan thing was that he called
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  Speaker 2: it a stale friendship, and I'm like, that describes it
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  Speaker 2: exactly is going on between Allison.
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, that is stale. That is a
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  Speaker 1: stale friendship.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like whatever's going on with like everything
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  Speaker 2: with Alison is stale, troubling, like just it's not right.
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  Speaker 2: There's everything's out of balance over there, and it's always
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  Speaker 2: has been from the time she decided she was going
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  Speaker 2: to go from being a teenage girl who's besties with
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  Speaker 2: another teenage girl to fucking that teenage girl's father.
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  Speaker 1: Heard from there is our unbalanced as well, Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: back to the whole Aiman thing, like why did he
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  Speaker 1: fucking kiss his mother on a lip iel like like
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  Speaker 1: Lil Wayne did the baby. That's why I just said,
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  Speaker 1: like what is what is? I mean you can say
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  Speaker 1: because they're the family, so one sestuous, like they got
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  Speaker 1: something wrong in the brain, but like what the targarian,
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  Speaker 1: what's disturbed by that? Like yeah she was. She was
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  Speaker 1: like she didn't even know what to do. But I
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  Speaker 1: also think because she's scared of him. We all understand that, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like she's scared of him, so she's kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: well if I pull away or do something while he
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: might want to kill me, so maybe I need to
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  Speaker 1: just stand here. It was it was upsetting, to say
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  Speaker 1: the list.
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  Speaker 2: Very disturbing, and I was like, now to the point
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  Speaker 2: of a lot of critics of the show, like there's
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  Speaker 2: very valid to be critical of some of the things
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  Speaker 2: that are showing up on screen that weren't even part
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  Speaker 2: of the story.
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  Speaker 1: Like in the story. So it's that I was one
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  Speaker 1: of them. Uh huh. So it's like, y'all are putting
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on the television screen for what reason.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I'm trying to figure out, Like not necessarily,
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  Speaker 1: like because I haven't read the books and I won't,
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  Speaker 1: but what is the purpose? Like sometimes there is narrative
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  Speaker 1: purpose to make a lot of changes or certain changes
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  Speaker 1: because from a visual standpoint it doesn't translate well. But
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  Speaker 1: stuff like this, I'm like, what, what do you What
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  Speaker 1: was the reason?
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  Speaker 2: I have a theory, but it's tied to some other
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  Speaker 2: things that are going on in the show as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's human nature, I guess to Sometimes we play with
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  Speaker 2: this idea of things during Black and White, and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's very valid, like either you observe someone else's humanity,
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  Speaker 2: or you don't and I fox with you if you do,
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  Speaker 2: I don't fox with the EUO. You don't like that's
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  Speaker 2: that's pleas that's easy to see, that's clear. It's black
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  Speaker 2: and white. But most things that happen in life aren't
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  Speaker 2: that black and white. And I think one of the
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  Speaker 2: things that's showing up and I don't know if it's
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: gonna be the it's just like a thing for the season.
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  Speaker 2: Given the previews of what we see for Radi near
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  Speaker 2: timeline and the previews at the end of the episode,
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  Speaker 2: that they're doing this thing. I can't tell if it's
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  Speaker 2: because of like fan audience reaction just sounds as dark.
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell if it's for audience reaction to like Allison.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it seems like they're doing this
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  Speaker 2: thing where they're playing with this idea of softness as
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  Speaker 2: weakness and therefore it's tough and up and like be
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  Speaker 2: like more like adversarial, like patriarchal man.
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  Speaker 1: Is that why Raina said with Ranera? Rather, is that
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  Speaker 1: why Ranera said what she said later on an episode
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  Speaker 1: when she was just like just because I have the
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: frail body of a woman, you know, she said I
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  Speaker 1: may have or something along the lines of I may
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  Speaker 1: have the frail body of a woman, but I have
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  Speaker 1: the heart and king of a king and all that.
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  Speaker 1: And I was I kind of liked that line because
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, what are you trying to say?
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  Speaker 1: Like it felt very patriarchical, like.
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  Speaker 2: You said, yeah, And I feel like that's a theme
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  Speaker 2: that I'm picking up on, Like I feel like it's
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  Speaker 2: showing up with the ray Neerest storyline.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's showing up in the way.
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  Speaker 2: That adapted Rayna's storyline because Raina and the books is
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  Speaker 2: someone who like so I think they did it for
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  Speaker 2: a second, like maybe last season for a second they
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  Speaker 2: had her on her the original character storyline where she
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  Speaker 2: goes when they send off the little Princess, they send
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  Speaker 2: off the little princes across away, like they're not within
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  Speaker 2: must Ros. They send them off to like Tyros or
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: something like that. In the books and.
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  Speaker 1: This show they've put them in the air, in the veil.
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  Speaker 2: So she in the book, she stays in the veil,
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  Speaker 2: and she basically is like a Sansa Stark, Like she's
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  Speaker 2: like very like soft power, like she gets to be
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  Speaker 2: part of a courtly woman and like learn the womani
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  Speaker 2: ways of like doing power and stuff like that power. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And she's like good at like she learns how to
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  Speaker 2: like be like a good finessor and like kind of
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  Speaker 2: like liaison and like diplomatic, like to actually make things
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  Speaker 2: happen in that way. And it feels like a choice
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  Speaker 2: they've made for her to be having like a rough
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  Speaker 2: and tumble, starving barely surviving.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to get this dragon.
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  Speaker 2: Black woman got a hard knock life kind of vibe,
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  Speaker 2: Like that is in tune with this theme that I'm
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  Speaker 2: seeing about, Like it's about like you gotta put away
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  Speaker 2: the softness, Like the softness is not gonna win the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to you gotta be out here, and you
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  Speaker 2: gotta be in the grit, and you gotta be in
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  Speaker 2: the grime, and you gotta do all this like desperate
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  Speaker 2: dirty stuff. And there's a lot, Like you're missing a
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  Speaker 2: lot whenever you take that out of a storyline, and
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  Speaker 2: you don't see the power behind being diplomatic, being motherly,
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  Speaker 2: being nurturing, being concerned about the well being of others,
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  Speaker 2: Like being soft is not a weakness, it doesn't have
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: to be. But they're betraying get so that like that's
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: the only thing available and within the storyline, and it's
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: not like it was not even written to be that
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: way initially. So the fact that the show is doing that,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why did they make that decision? Isn't it
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: because of like how people have just liked Allison, but
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: like Allison has made some like it's not because she's
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: soft that you just like Alison. Just like Allison because
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: she does some like shisty stuff, Like I don't know.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: It's like it's hard. She's a shasty person. She's a
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: shisty because you know, you know what portion I have
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: to take off my glasses because I was trying to
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: hold off talking about this young lady, but you left
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: me no choice to talk about this young lady. And
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I'm really upset about this. How old is she supposed
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: to be? Like sixteen? I think something like that.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so frontal Lobe front is not yet developed yet,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: not yet developed. Okay, give me a minute. Keep Rainer
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the hell away from every goddamn thing to deal with anything,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: this battle, this planet, this castle, the dragon, what the
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: entire fuck y'all could argue with me all all day
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: about it ain't her fault. She a kid da da
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: da da da. Raina ruined everything.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Everybody hates Chris, everybody hates Raina. I don't care what
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: happened in the books, because apparently none of this shit
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: hadn't and it didn't happen like this. But when I say,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: my whole mouth dropped and I said, oh my god,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: what is going on? Keep her away from everything and everybody?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: How could it go so bad?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: So fast, so wrong, so strong and wrong? You can
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: argue that, first of all, what Jace did about, you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: locking his mother up in her own keep and her
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and him and Bayla, right, him and Bayla going out
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and playing power rangers, you can argue like, ah, guys,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: y'all shouldn't have made that decision, right, But y'all had
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: y'all dragons on sod. Y'all was trained, and y'all was
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: doing like I was watching when they was when they
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: first went out to the what is the goal? When
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: they was they was out the God the go let
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: thank you. When they was out there doing a you know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: top gun ship, I was like, okay, okay, you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: y'all got skills and everything, like y'all not the y'all,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: not the little kids. Y'all was when y'all first started, right,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Do I agree how you went about it? No, but
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you holding your own and it's like you're not just
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: going into battle. You seem to have strategy. You seem
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to like Remember, there was a point where Bayla she
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: was dipping in, dodging, zipping it and doing it like
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: getting getting away from the arrows and stuff. Cucka cool.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And even when Jason when at first, you know, when
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: they was having the anchor hooks, when that first one
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: hooked on to the to the little chain of his
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell is his dragon name, and Bayla came
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: in and and and cleared it up. Cool. They team
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: weren't blah blah da dah. You could argue like, oh,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: well they you know, they still kids and they don't
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: know the best. Nah. They they seem to have it together, okay.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And they was out of harm's way as far as
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I saw. By the time this one Reyna showed up.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: She barely, It wasn't barely. She did not bond with
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that dragon properly. She did not tame the dragon. Nothing
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: occurred besides the dragon treating her like a child. First
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: of all the way she went up to a dragon,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: she wanted to a dragon, the way they tell you
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: not to go up to a horse. You ain't supposed
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: to come right at it. Like, though, what was she
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: trying to do? Whatever the fuck she did, how's it
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: gonna see you? She kind of just like and she
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: didn't And not to say that, no one's fearful. Everybody's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: fearful when they come to the dragon, but at some
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: point you have to release and trust. And she was
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: fearful the entire time. From my understanding, they were taught
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a lot about what it means to be that those group,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: particularly you know, the target they Damon's children, remember that,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: so they targetarians.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, mama was like the like she was the one
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: of the best dragon riders that lived, that mama.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So they were taught since they were young how this
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: shit work. Don't tell me otherwise, I know they were
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: taught better than this. At what point did Rena think? Oh? Like,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: what was was she thinking? And what was she thinking?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Because to me, when you the first time the damn
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: sheep still have left you on the damn Super Mario
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Island the first time, that should have told you something, right,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: But then you think, y'all buddy, buddy, cause it come
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: back with a sheep for you. But to me, it
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: treated her like it treated like one of it's like
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: a child that it had like it was like, oh,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: go eat your food and stop, you know, stop crying. Right,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: you were home, you were looking at Dragonstone like we're
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: almost there. And then you and you was on that
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: dragon less than five minutes when you seen the other
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: battle in the gullet like, oh, well, let me go help.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: No.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I would think she would have enough sense or training
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: or teachings from for parents at some point, that enough
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: where she knows how to speak Valerian right, like you're
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: not ready. You never think, oh, let me go to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Auntie Ranera and tell her, yo, I got this dragon.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You did even see your stepmom whatever bloodlines at messed up? Man,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But like you didn't like it, just didn't. And that's
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: why I said, the prefrontal cortex is not it's not loading.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It's not loaded, because it's just like what made you think, Oh,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, like, first of all, she's scared. Even in
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the moments shes barely hanging on to the motherfucker, she
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: barely she on it like it's a rock climbing wall. Right,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: she go home, Go home, Roger. That's all you had
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to do, go home and let and and you would
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: have figured out Rainera got locked up and all this
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: other stuff. Somebody would have helped you. And and right
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of the ship. Rynera probably would have been like, shit
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: your ass down. But no, you took it upon yourself
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to go. You could blame youth, you could blame all
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the steps. I just feel like this is her fault.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get off the book in a second.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I just want to make this point because this is
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: what pisses me off about the redoing the adaption of
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: her story.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Is that.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: The way she's trained to be like the diplomatic or
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: whatever it is. Also because she has a dragon's egg
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: that hatches, and it's just a little baby dragon at
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: this point in the story, so there ain't no riding it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: But she's loyal to her little baby dragon and they're
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: building that bond, and so by the time she is
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: more of an adult, she's actually able to kind of
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: like it, because you know, we know that by the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: end of this battle of this war, there's gonna be
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: less dragons in a real world.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: One of her dragons.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Her dragon is one of the last dragons around and
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: people are still able to be charmed by dragons and understand.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Like like she's part of that.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: She's part of bringing in this era of people feeling
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: good about the Targarians. Who's gonna feel good about someone
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: who pops into the first time they write a dragon
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: on record and does what happens in this story? Like,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I just just like to did that to her character?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I'm pissed about that. I think that narratively, I don't
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: know where they're trying to go with it. It feels
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: like not a good place. It feels like where she's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: not there. I don't see how they'll ever put her
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: in a storyline where her original character concept goes.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I think I just don't see it. You've ruined the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: character because now everybody's like whether what right, wrong or indifferent?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like what the fuck?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Bro? And I feel like, what what was the reason?
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And I just feel like she because like the person
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: who ends the person who ends up on that dragon,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: and the story like is someone who earns that dragon's
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: like respect, because she's also kind of a formidable kind
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of person. She's young, but she's able to build up
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: a report and then Damon kind of takes her under
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: her wing his wing, and she becomes like a pretty
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: good dragon writer because she has Damon kind.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Of showing her too, and she built up loyalty.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: They're both like, now they're the bastards of like the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: dragon or whatever. She's one of those and she's able
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: to build up whatever. She's also a black woman, so
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you could have had another black woman who actually had
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the loyalty of this dragon pop into the story, but you.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Gave us this, Well it's too deep into I will
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: say this from a narrative writing perspective, you're not going
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to introduce a new person, right, like a new person
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: they've ever seen but should.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Have did this last season, like you know where they
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: were doing it last season.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: It's like, why are they doing this? She got Homegirl
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: pop up in here. Maybe you're sure that's that's the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: way to do it, but you can't. Not to say
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you can't. People can do whatever they can, but it's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: not good writing basis to just throw in somebody brand
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: new that had you've never seen in fucking five years,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh, well, what is this? I'm
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: saying she came in with the whole bastards thing, so
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it's a whole different. Well, let's speak on that. Let's
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: speak on the whole bastards because the next argument from
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: people will be, well, like, well what about Olf Hugh Allen,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: not al Adam Adam right, Adam, of the whole like
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you know what about them? Like they're bastards and they
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: haven't you know, been trained or steeped in the culture. Right, Okay,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: But my argument to that is, as.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Far as I'm understanding, they received some type of training, right,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: they received something. If I don't remember, I don't remember
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: besides Rainier going out to get them and saying you
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: might have dragon blood in you or did.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: She just kind of let them go she said, do
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you okay, let's let's paint to see. I don't remember
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: exactly what. Let's didn't tell them because because I'm staying
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: this for a reason, but go ahead.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rayniera has the dragon because you know there's dragon
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: masters or whatever. They never they're not writers, but there
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: was to keep the keep that take care of the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: dragons in between all the stuff, right, and they know
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: hy de believer and they're the ones who trained the teen,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the kids and the teens before they become like there
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: they are the ones who know how the other dragon
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: more and how to help people figure out how to right.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: She takes them all to the cave where these dragons
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: are and she says, you all, she talks to you,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: talks to the dragons.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: And I remember, right because it's mad. It's a bunch
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: of bastards. And she's just like, hey, when do y'all
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: make it?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And she talks to the dragons. She sees the biggest
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: dragon look at her and she's like and with.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: That, oh, she leaves it up the chance one. What
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say was I that could be the argument
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: right there. It's like, well, what about the bassards. The
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Baschards didn't have no real training and nothing like that,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: so how come they I think though each bastard ends
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: up having a level of conviction that the dragons start
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to respect. I don't think she steal her. She steal her,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that's the name respected homegirl.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I think that the dragons who are like of for
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the bastards, and I mean they have, but we're gonna
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: call that round. I think that the one problem is
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the best bond is that's it's getting into wipe of
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: others because it's Adam And in the book Nettle, the
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: one who writes dragons stealer. Those dragons chose them like
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: those dragons, that's right, they chose they bonded they were,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that was a bond.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: That's I also mean when to buy. That's also what
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I mean about respect. Like I'm not saying they they
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: see them as all powerha godments, saying that they like
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you about something like Rena was in fear the entire time,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Like like if there was if there's something that the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: dragon bonds was besides your blood as a valaria that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: has I would assume it has to be something about
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: your conviction as a person. Like yes, everybody's care when
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: they first start, but but there's something that takes hold,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: something internal, something unseems some force. I feel like force
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: was missing with Rena. The girl was screaming the whole time.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But I think, like to your point, if she had
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a bit more so.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Why did she do the basic decisions she made.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: We talk about professional cortex or whatever, but like, think
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: about she went to go get a dragon in the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: first place because she saw everybody she grew up with
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: her sister excluded go like have dragons bond with them,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and so she's feeling like a lesser Targarian because she
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a dragon or whatever. So using what you're saying,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you yourself feel lesser than if there's no convictionaire you're
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: getting a dragon because you feel left.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Out niggas as a dragon, as an animal. I ain't gonna,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I ain't jagging that. I'm not respecting that. Here, eat
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the sheep, Mitch, let's go fly in and then some niggas.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of like in the book, like the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: person who bonds was she Stiller, like builds that she
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: like she's still sheep four sheep Siller, and then they
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: build the bond like oh we're both sort ship.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: They build a little bond and.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: They do it for like weeks and nights before they
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: actually like right off together.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: That is not that's not what's happening. Happened here, And she's.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: If she was in so quick in a hurry trying
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to prove something, profer Targarian is prove whatever it is
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: going on your head, we wouldn't be seeing what we
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: saw because like even that like that need to prove herself.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: It's her would took her into the battle like if
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: she would have been she started thinking, Oh, I got
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a big dragon. My dragon's bigger than Jason's and my sisters.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I can come in here, I can help.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: A disastrous misstep. And I understand the timeline was moved
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: on consuder, especially if like like a literally it was
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the shot where she was flying and you saw dragons
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: throwing on the right and the battle on the left,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and it was just like, let's go to hell, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I know you, like like you just said,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: like it was very childish, just like I know you
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: wanna help. I know you, and and Jason and and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Beyla they did the same thing. I know you want
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to help. I know y'all think y'all know better, but
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it's just y'all all even in between y'all three y'all
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: on different levels.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Can I just say that when Jace said, really, like again,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: non because he's sixteen, fulfilled to cortex, not there for
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: him to say. I'm having my adult mother Barden barricaded
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: in her room. And I understand why, Right, she's the
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: crown head, she's a figurehead. No one's gonna run under
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the banner of Jase the same way they're gonna run
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: under the Battle of Rayniera because they think he's a
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: He's he's a bastard. He's a bastard anyway, right, you
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. He's and his younger brothers, who
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: are full blooded Targerian are babies, So no one's gonna
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: run up for the cause off Rainier is gone. I
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: completely understand why he's put He thought that was the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: decision to make, even though he shouldn't have done it
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to his mother, who is the figure and she needs
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to be able to say her word is bond like
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: that's he's taking that away from her. So him making
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that choice sixteen needs is because it's clearly a trap.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: But then he himself going into the trap that he's noticing.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you're not putting on it's not making sense.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And I hear that too, And a lot of this
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: is not making a lot of sense once you start
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: getting deeply into it. I mean, and this may be
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: unpopular opinion, but Jay's b right. A lot of the
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: times he'd be like, that's clearly stupid to do, Just
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: like when he be talking about Alison and like even
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: when he talked up like you said, like he's like,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that's a trap, bro, Like why would you just run
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: into it? And then when near we start talking about
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: being a king and all that other stuff, it's just
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: he's not wrong. But then it's like the way he
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: goes about it is wrongheaded. And that's when it's like,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: because he's a kid and he's.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Need our experience before you make your decisions, you need
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: more understanding of the world, and some look, you can
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: traaling error. Sometimes you make a mistake and you learn
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: your lesson.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: This ain't the time for the like been on me,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: has said many a few years ago. When sent out
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that baby to be a messenger, she said, he said,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: why would Rainiera tell her son, her little third ten
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: year old, whatever the how old he was going off to,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: you know, go collect his first pokemon. Why would she
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: make him the messenger during about to be a time
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of war to go deliver a message, not to say
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that she knew.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: She's the impression that it was still pre war, like.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Fucking Vaguar was going to show up, but like still
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And then it was interesting because people could make this
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: argument too, like as formidable as people like Amon Amond
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: is with with Vaguar and then all this other stuff.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Even he lost control of the dragon at one point,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: which what happened. So the little one.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Dragons are like, okay, so the again, that's the whole
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: point because.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: It was the little one stand for I got that
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: boy that bore Oh the youngest, the youngest, loose loose. Yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: But with.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: That, that's the whole point because with all the dragons
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: that are like so so burmax j Dragon and Moon
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Dancer Baylor's Dragon are both dragons that kind of like
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: grew up with them. They like they're young dragons, right,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: so they're able like as their first dragon writers, they're
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: able to build a bond in like communication strategy where
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: they actually like are kind of in tune with each
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: other like bestie's or whatever. Yeah yeah, yeah, as far
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: as the dragon.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Will fuck with you, those those dragons really fuck with them.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: That's absolutely relationships are they got. And that's why I
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: was like, I felt less mad about it. I was like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: what I saw, how they was moving, that's it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: But also it was true of Rainier's Dragon. That's also
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: true of Damon's Dragon. Ye like a little bit different
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: because I think their dragons might have been a little
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: bit older than them before they became dragon writers, but it's.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: The similar they have experienced and they.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Kind of like they're like bonding time was greater any way,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: greater than sheep dealer, even better than the other like
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: for Adam and Old from them a right, like but
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: they all the rest of them all have the bigg dragons.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: This is true, especially Off which I'm still like crazy,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the worst person. That's the worst person to get the
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: big dragon on your side, like the big joker like
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: that they don't know how to play.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Do not give them that card? Like oh my god,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I I'm mad and not just not so
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: much for like like when it happened, I was like,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: damn jas like nigga, Like this is also partly your.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Fault, but really, and I will say this, it's not
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: really it's not really Raina's fault.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: It's not really rain Yes, I get it, but I'm
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: gonna blame her because who the hell else do I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: blame right now?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Blame but it's not Rain's fault?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Like, so is it?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Why didn't they have greater understanding of like who was
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: coming in?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Like why didn't they know that coming in the triarchy.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Why did they just pop up on them? Like why
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: was it like you talking about the sea snakes people
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to see snakes people?
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Why do they just get and people's coming in they
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: get to go over to King's landing. But you're now
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: you're you know what I'm saying, like, that's weird. You
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: don't have better scouting. You don't know when someone's going
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: than a day ship ride from your place. That's crazy
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: during the day time.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: But also that I don't think they knew about what
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: what's homegirl named Lauren or whatever it's name.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: But it's only but that is based on they know
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: that the like Agon's crew, like the Greens, they're going
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: to be mounting some kind of sea response.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Because they know that.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: They know that, so they know that they're probably been like, okay,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: let's just use their brains for a little bit. If
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: they're going to try to mount a navy against us,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: where are they going to find a navy because they
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: don't really got one like that that's what Valarian like
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: hous Valerian was doing.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: So who they're going to get for that?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: They might have to go over two pintos. Okay, well,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: we need to keep our eye out from that direction.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Let's keep us scout scout it out for that direction
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: every day. It's just checking and see what's going on
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: over there the.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Way that Beylet came in. And they were because Bailiff
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: was scouting.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: But like only a certain parameter, Bayla should not have
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: been the only one in charge of scouting the parameter like, but.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: She's trustworthy and and and I gotta go back to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: what she said, like while again to a child THESEUS
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: war times, and they trustworthy enough to be out there
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: in the first place right near He basically made her,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you know, little captains and said, hey man, now that
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: was before her son him her up. But the fact
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: is she gave them, at least Beyla a lot of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: license to do things because she knew she could. She
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: had she haw haw dragons like this like she she
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: got skilled.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: She understands what's going on. So I get that poor
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: she You still even answer my question, So who's fault
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: of it is?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: If it's not Raina, who's fault is it? It's everyone
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: on the fifty UK was fifty to fifty that that
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: could have happened where Jay still could have got him
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like his dragon vermat still could have got hemmed up somehow.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: But they was in the clear as far as I knew,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and whatever little bit of ships was left, they was
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: flying around. And I say in the clear, I mean
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: they wasn't down. Remember they had to come down in
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the ships to get hit by them things. They was up.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: They was doing whatever the fuck they was doing. The
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: ships were going down left and right, but there was
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: there was some sneeze sea snakes shaped ships still out
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: and about their hair comes Raina and and sheep still
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and blow down the rest of the house. And then
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: get it to a situation where now the two dragons,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: who are you know? They they you know, to the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to the best of their abilities, they was I but
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: now they gotta come and swoop in and try to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: stop it. Remember they don't even know it was her.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: At first.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: They was like, kill the rider. Oh shit, it's my
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: sister or my cousin, depending on whose what if you're
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: looking at Like, but I feel like that's a okay.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying Raina is completely clear in the clear.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, as a teenager and all those.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Sults was in the room, how is she the one
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the most to blame for all the things that went
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: wrong in that.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Wait, you agree that Rena was the most to blame.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I said, how is she the one? How is she
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the one? Because like there.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Has to no I understand you, I hear you. But
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: they were above They were only above the fray because
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: they needed to take out that ship.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: They were about the phrase my point. They never went,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: but they were. They would have had to eventually, because
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you don't just you're not just.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Saying to watch technically safe, Tatiana there, You're not gonna
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: be in a battle and stay in the air the
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: whole time.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: You're gonna come down.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: What you mean, high up away from everything. They had
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to come down. They had to come down again and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: take out them ships. They wasn't gonna just stay come
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: back up, blow fire, come back up, blow fire, fire,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know time that each time they come down,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: there's another chance they're gonna get clips.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly, which is why I'm like, I see the point
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: that it could have been fifty to fifty that he
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't die anyway, right, I feel like in the.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Books that happens anyway without ray near radar comingy in
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: there like raina, Right, I feel like.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like with Raina, it went from fifty to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: fifty to one hundred percent. You're gonna die because your
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: sister cousin a niece came in and and and fucked
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: it up. He was to die any of you, or
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you may die increased exponentially once she showed up with that.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: He was gonna die anyway. This was his faded time
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to die. It was it this battle, that was it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: That was the end of Jace right there, as soon
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: as he made a decision to go out there.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It was a stupid ass. He's stupid ass kids. And
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you know what what I'm most mad about not because
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: there's just stupid as kids, because they are marching to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: their deaths. There were flying soldiers. They're flying to their deaths,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and it's just like damn, and like, regardless of who's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: doing the killing or the chomping down on you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: loose and the rest of them, Like, it's just like
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: because I'm just like, damn, they had their whole lives
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: ahead of them. And then you know, and then like
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: just to see Jason up in the water and then
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: get when he was in the water floating, I was
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: just like, I have a bad feeling about this, and
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: the arrows went off. Yeah, he was always faded to die. Hair.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I feel the way I feel about it,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and you feel the way you feel about it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I knew he like I knew that, where you knew
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: he was faded to die, You like, no matter why
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: he's gonna die.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I just but as someone who doesn't know what's about
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: to happen, I or didn't know, I was just like, to.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Me, the percentages the probability has changed.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever watched poker, but if
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: you watch poker, when someone got a good hand fors
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: of the bad hand and the probability meter goes up
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and down, I just feel like that meter just went
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: through the fucking roof once Raina showed up and then
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: made that decision like, oh I'm gonna go. I feel
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: like you should have felt that way as soon as
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: you saw because like, have we learned nothing from Danaris?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And whenever she had her dragons and then the sea
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: thing and they had that I forget that. I know
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: what it's called, but in this moment's escaped me what
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that weapon it's called. That they shoot it up there
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: and they drag them down.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: You saw it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Happened with the Rainier's Raina Denaress dragons like as soon
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: as we should have known as So if you saw
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: lo hard whatever I agree roll that suck her out,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: you should have been like, oh crap, here we go.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: When she came out with the anti aircraft missiles, I said, oh,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: were about to have a problem. You're right, and they didn't,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: and that was something that was not accounted for.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Right. Yes, yes, the real the real blame Dragon Machine,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: The real blame is Lauren whatever homegirl is Lowhart and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the seven ships of the Seven Seas. We understand what
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the real blame comes from. I get it, but I
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: need a more satisfying person. Blame both are, But I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: feel like he's my thing too.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: It's not because if you want to blame somebody about that,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: why does will Thar want revenge because some stupid shit
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: rain It's because of years ago, because of Raina's granddaddy,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: because of that that man with the white locks right there,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that's he set up.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Because I also think about the fact that Jason is
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: supposed to be his heir, so he was so I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: thought it was cute. I thought it was cute and
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: loving of him.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I just wrote, I noted that, like as love as
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I love to go in on a deadbeat or whatever,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I can understand why Corlis was a deadbeat because like
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: you can't. He couldn't openly claim his kids with.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Rain raina niece Nie wasn't playing that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: He wasn't playing that, So them kids would have been
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: dead in the cradle if he was openly like, like
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: you know, naming them as his kids.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: So like that couldn't happen.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: So I completely understand it, even though he was dead
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: beat about it, right, but the way call him a
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: dead beet all I want.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: He definitely like when he.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Stepped up now he saw well, like with Alan whatever,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: that was one thing, but I feel like for his
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: he was never playing by his grand babies, and so
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: as soon as he saw that come out, he was like, so,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: we're gonna lead her up into the feet this little
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: crack over here, because my grandbabies ain't about to catch.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: It little her.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: So he had He's like, not my not my Bla,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: not my Jase, were about to come take her out
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: of the way so that they're like they're able to
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: do what they need to do with the ships and
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, I love that, Like he's being a
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: good granddad, but also it's his fault that someone with
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: a dragon killer weapon rolled up to the party in
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: the first place, because she was bent for revenge. None
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: of the freaking people of west Roads had that weaponry.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: That was her ship. That was her ship, and it
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: was it was funny. I call on her, Lauren. I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: don't care. It was funny when Lauren pulled up and
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: like when it was doing that battle with or going
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: through that straight passage with the sea snakes and they
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: caught the fingers something but it has like wats that
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: they called the teeth the tooth one of a teeth,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: that's what it's teeth. And the way like she was
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: just like she realized she had the racist ship up,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: so she's like, how much do you weigh in armor?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: But she was just knocking shit, niggas whatever off the ship.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she roofless. She she she a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: real killer.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: And every time I see people wearing armor on the ship,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, that's not good.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what I'm gonna raise about her is just
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the fact that she a real killer. And yeah, got
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: kids out here, were real killers and ain't for the
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: play play it ain't. And also I'm also thinking about
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the masters, like Alan, you know, he had another little
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: chat with Corlis or whatever. But Alan, at one point
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: he was like father, Like he yelled out father when
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: when he first saw Collers fall into the water or whatever.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, he accepted him. Now is that
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: where we're at now?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: So I watched the after show little thing and it
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: was talking about how like he still wasn't short by
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the end of that talk. But then it's something about
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: seeing someone. It's something about seeing something ripped away from you.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: But just whenever you think you might have it where
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: you solid to fight in his mind like wait a minute,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: like and again this is all about revenge. Homegirl, Lothar
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: is there because of revenge, and as soon as he
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: sees that his father gets taken out or whatever off
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the plate, he's like, oh shit, now I'm in for revenge.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: So just like a revenge passed around like when you go,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to just like saying like if when you're
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: bent towards a path of revenge, dig two graves, like
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: cause you're no one's coming out of there, easy, be
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: ready to go yourself like it's gonna be a suicide
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: mission half the.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Time if you're going to be bent on revenge.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: And that's what Lethard like, like, that's what she actually
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: put her steak on and she that's like, you know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: give her what you will.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But she had a mission.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: She carried it out to the best of her abilities,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: even in so far as being like, I never met
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: a contract that I would sign unless add something in
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: it for me, and as soon as I get what
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I want, fuck you mmm.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I mean that's how it Yeah, that's how it'd be.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: That's how she moved.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly how it played out. And I love that the
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Landishers is the ones who made the contract with her,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: because like the Lanisters love to throw on that money
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: like it's gonna lead to everybody doing what they need
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: to do. The Lanisters caught the big l I mean Blacks,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the Black Team Lives did, but who were part of
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the of the Greens, the Blanisters who were representing the
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Greens in this episode. Both the starts took them out
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: on land and then the freaking like over here on sea.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't even the funniest part to me that
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: it wasn't even the Black forces that took out the
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Lanisters on the sea.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: It was their own people that they put a contract
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: with that took them out.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: What did you think about the Starks by the way,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: and how they appeared on the battlefield?
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: So you mean, so was that the Starks, the the
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: old men of the North or whatever.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they came up with them great them, the Great
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Woof on the band.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay. See, I didn't even realize that
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: that was technically the Starks. I mean I was just like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: like the way they was coming through the forest, I
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: knew they wasn't enemies because they they was walking too
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: slow and too deliberate, and I'm just like, because I
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: know Damon was like ready to you know, go to
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: war again. Damon looked cool as shit by the way,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: with his armors cold. But no, I just thought that
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: was I knew that that was gonna be help for them.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: So I didn't think it was gonna be an issue.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I felt a way about it,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not putting the pieces together from
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: like the old show, and you have history, you know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the books, and why that matters? Why does that does
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: that matter so much.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I just think of I'm thinking about from even from
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: like just like a show perspective of how the band
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: the Starts have become like one of the houses that
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: people respect generally, like if you're a fan, if you're
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: within the show, like the people of the houses of
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the show. They may not respect the Starks in too far,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: like they're not part of the court politics. God, they
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: respect the Starts on like if you ever when they
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: need hands hit us and the stars show up, you
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: better have that on your side, because the Starks, if
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: they're in, they're about to turn the tide of ship.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: It's not about to.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Be no easy times when the Starks show up, but
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: they'll be easy for who they're with, but not for
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: who their enemies are.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, so there's some wildman.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Basically they whenever whenever that because the first thing that
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the guy said, I forget, I didn't check his name.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: He said was we're here to die for the dragon.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: He did, And that was interesting use of words.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I mean, but also that's what
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: niggas like to fight say all the time, Like and
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I love how Damon was just because like his Damon
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: got a good better look at the banners.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: His se went from having his sword ready to fight
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to being like, oh, like, okay, cool, whatever, we're just
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: it's great. What else? Oh, I would say Alan did
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the thing when he finally took out a little ror,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I was all right, back, let's move on. Look, because
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I was ready for that whole revenge arc to be over. Yes,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I wanted it to be over the minute to start it.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I was like all right, like, oh now we know
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the motive. Great, okay, so we now I ain't got
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: no navy no more.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that she has whatever whatever survived. I
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: do want to note that again, for Lothar's mission of
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: like revenge, her mission wasn't just to take out Corless.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: It was to take out his treasury. And we do
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: see his treasury on fire. We do see him react
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: to seeing his treasury on fire. It just kind of
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: gobsmacks him. He just like it's stuck there for a moment.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: He can't even give orders in that moment. Just seeing
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: his treasury like on fire so does make it will
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: make things a little bit more complicated when it comes
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: to having a navy, because that's the that's the money,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Those are the supplies. Those are the things to patch
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: up the ships. So we'll find out what happens next
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: with the maybe but it's not completely gone.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: It's just and mshed. Yeah, we see your friend, Sir Crisco.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Ain't that Joe for briefully and that's children he was it?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say, what was his problem?
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: He always has a problem. He don't want to do
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: his job. Is he depressed?
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Well, So one thing that I wrote was that, like,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I guess it's like again on this like the theme
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: that I'm noticing with the softness being weakness thing. Right,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: If you want to say looking for justice about sexual
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: assault being is being soft, then I guess is what's
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: happening with the storyline with Christian Cole Because there's a
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: lot of dynamics that in play here, and I want
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: to be thoughtful about saying what I say because ray
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Niera was a teenager when the things happened with Chris
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Go and he was an adult. But she's the person
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: who had more power than he did, so there's a
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: lot of things going on there. But it basically was
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: like her corrosion, which is a form of assault, and
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: just because he's a man, doesn't mean that can't happen
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: to between a man and a woman or whatever. So
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I can understand that traumatizing him into in a way
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: that he it's hard for him to interact and co
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: put things together in his brain the way that he
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: had before the assault occurred right at the same time,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: and everyone does this differently, the way that it changes
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: his viewpoint on how to be a knight and stand
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: up for the honor and bonds of King's Guard and
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: what knight he looks like, because it goes from him
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: no longer believing in it, in the monarchy being good
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: people because of his interaction with Rainier and him, to
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: him interacting more with Alison and him and them showing
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: them that they're not trustworthy, to him allowing it to
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: like snowball, and to him becoming the hand of the
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: king even though he doesn't believe in any of this
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: stuff anymore. For him to no longer care about like
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: the King's Guard being an honorable place anymore, or knighthood
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: being standing up for honor anymore, because of all the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: things that are related with it. These are all choices,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and I can get that, like being traumatized can change
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: how you view and make decisions, but like at a
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: certain point he needs to own the fact or he's
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: a better person might own the fact that you've got
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: to stand for something. And trying to just kind of
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: like disappear in the middle of like being in charge.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: It don't make any sense. Christian Cole's bitch made, always
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: has been, always will be, and it does not have
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: seemed to change in the last four years. That's what
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I feel about him.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Someone was sexually assaulted within his earshot.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Someone comes to tell him about.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: It, but we all know he's he fake. He faked life.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: When it comes to the code and all this other stuff.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: The man honorable, but it's again it comes from a
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: place he went from a place of being like.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was all he was about before his.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Interaction with ray Nira, and then after Raynierra, he's like
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: on some different shit. And I get that he was traumatized,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: but at the same time, and he hasn't fully processed it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: But he's not trying to process it. He's not trying.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: He's just he's just like removing himself and again at
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: the same time trying to be powerful and trying to
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: be bingeful at times.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: So it's just like this weird thing, and I'm like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Like again, I feel like a better person would be like,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: at the very least, I'm not gonna let this shit
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: happen under my watch.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't give that.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: And I also feel like he seems like demoralized that
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: he feels like even though he has a powerful title
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: or whatever, he doesn't have the power to do that.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: He's like, what do you want me to do?
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Hang the man, like as if that wouldn't actually be showing.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: The power, Like yes, that's literally what you're supposed to do.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's like, but he's the fact that is
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: a commoner, because that's also something to note.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Here's commoner, someone.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Whose nobility came to you to ask you.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: To use your power. He's the real job. He depressed
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: them dishes, is what he said. Depressed my ass, depressed,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: depressed that nigga over there, and hang him whatever.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Set an example for everybody else here. And I feel
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: like Christian Cole is saying, like, this is the world
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: that we're in. We can't if it happened to me,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: it happened to anybody. I can't stop shit.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Here's my thing when the world is limited to the
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: twenty people around you, and you have full control over it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Do something about it. That's it, And he refuses. I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: got none to say about him, besides, he's bitch me.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Just closing all this out? How is not how we
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: already know we're near a gonna find out another one
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: of her sons died, and I don't know if she's
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: gonna like understand the circumstances of it being damn near
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: identical to the circumstances of LUs dying in terms of
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: the writer essentially who's in control of their dragon. The
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: same thing happened with Amon with Vegar, where Like you
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: could argue all day about whether Amy wanted to do
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: it on purpose, but remember he said he was just
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: trying to scare him, and Vegar took it too far.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: And with this one homegirl, Raina just did not have
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: control of sheep still there and she still just did
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: what they wanted to do. But both of Rainierer's sons
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: were the consequences of that happening. What are Rnierer's options
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: at this point, especially because her son did that, left
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: her locked her up in there, left now is dead
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: for it. She's gonna you know, she had a little
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: speech about being the king and all this other stuff,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: like it's like and there's no turning I mean, there
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: was already feeling like no turning about for her. But
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like this is gonna put the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: battery in her back.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I think, like the actor who plays Ryniera said in
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the Post and Posts discussion or whatever, that basically what
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: her counsel and her son have been practiced, and Damon
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: have been practicing, and her father across the borb. This
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: is what she's been going through her whole life, where
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: the men around her have practiced control under the guise
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: of protection, and Raniera has taken no other like.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Stance.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: But at this point she needs to divorce herself from
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: the idea of softness.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: And being Queen Lee.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Because if you think about it, and all of the
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: queens that have ruled west Ros so far, most like
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: most of them, I think nearly all of them, because
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: we'd never have really seen a woman be like a
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: ruling queen before they all were married to the king,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: but they weren't the ruler of west Rows. So in
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Raniera's brain, She's like, the only way I can move
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: forward is to move like a king, a ruler, and
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: not like a queen who is just like kind of like,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: you know, keeping the things.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: And so I feel like.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: That littico as opposed to like soft power about that action, Yeah,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: soft power.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Rather than like assertive, like weapon aggressive power.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: So she, I think that's going She's gonna have a
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: moment of like a grief because like, how is she
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: not gonna grieve her kid going out?
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: But she's also going to channel that in ways that
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: are gonna probably be very destructive, because what are targarines,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: especially targetans with dragons if not destructive?
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: That is the name of the game. Pourtcha, and I
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: think that's a great way to close this review of
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: episode one, season three of House of the Dragons. Thank
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