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Critically Acclaimed #335 | Superman, Jurassic World Rebirth, KPop Demon Hunters, Hot Spring Shark Attack, The Old Guard 2, Kill the Jockey, Abraham's Boys, To a Land Unknown, Sovereign, Apocalypse in the Tropics · Critically Acclaimed Network

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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hello everybody and welcome back to critically acclaimed.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The movie review podcast where we were we exploded.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You're welcome.
• 0:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you Edwin.
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: My name is Edwin welcome to the critically acclaimed podcast.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Your Edwin is so much better than that.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: My name is willing to be on me.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I am a film critic.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I write for the rap and everybody calls me.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: My name is Whitney Sivold.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I am a film critic.
• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I contribute to slash home and we're back.
• 0:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: We had a bit of a hiatus.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: We had respective trips.
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: We went to two different places.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: The timing worked out weird.
• 0:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was in Connecticut for two weeks.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: at the Eugene O'Neill Theater Center for the National Critics Institute, which is basically your writers retreat for critics of various disciplines, which I'll tell you about in a minute, but there was like one week where we were both out of town and then you were still out of town for like another few days because you went to Europe.
• 1:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I did.
• 1:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I went to Europe.
• 1:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is my first international trip and a little bit.
• 1:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: That wasn't Mexico.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, we went overseas.
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: We got on a plane of flu over in ocean.
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we decided my family and I just to go on an international trip.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: We wrangled together my son's passport, which was a headache, getting passports together for kids is a pain in the ass.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: So if you're good, let's make use of it.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: So my wife happens to be the world's biggest fan of the band, Ariam.
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: She loves Ariam.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And she had always heard of all the lyrics to the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: I, I have seen her do it at karaoke where and she invites friends or me to come up on stage and cover her eyes.
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So she can't look in the mirror exactly.
• 1:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: She nails it.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a really good party trick.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: She should do that, but then the only part she screws up is Leonard Werner.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Leonard Werner, that would be funny.
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Good Porter!
• 2:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, just like with it, like, uh, last.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Takeela!
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've done Takeela, I'm karaoke by the way.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It goes over great.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was waiting, waiting, waiting, and then everyone does Takeela for you.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't even have to do it.
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's just so desperate to hear some sake.
• 2:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the joke is you get to tequila and you forget like that.
• 2:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right, I try doing that, but then the audience yells there.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they don't, I'm Andy Kaufmaning it.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're just, they're unironically appreciating the bed.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: So my wife had heard through the R.A.M.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: fan circuit that there was this little tiny bar in Belgium, and a town called Victor Vell, which is about twenty minutes outside of Bruges, where somebody had constructed a bar, it's called Bar Electrolite, which was dedicated to R.A.M.
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was like, well,
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: What we got to go?
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go to European trap.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: This will be the pilgrimage, but we're not just going to go to Licterveld Belgium because there's like fifty people in there and five hundred cows.
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing to do in Licterveld.
• 3:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's so weird that they named the bar after a song from new adventures and high-fi.
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think that was one of the more popular albums.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what?
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Talk to R.M.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: fans.
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to get a lot of different answers.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody likes around the sun, that's the one I understood.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Or green is the least popular.
• 3:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: One of those is one of the most popular.
• 3:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: But we decided to fold in a little bit a few days in Paris on the boat, so we went to Paris.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: We got tickets for the Louvre.
• 3:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: We were not allowed entry into the Louvre because there was a worker strike.
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well if you don't want us to get out of the people.
• 3:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: The guard said we can't let you in.
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's technical problems.
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: That was his only phrase.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: The technical problem is technically everyone's on strike.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: And they said, well, your money will be refunded automatically.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just get out of my hair and I looked it up on my phone.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: of the workers on strike.
• 3:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: I did get to see a lot of Venkox and a lot of impressionists.
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: I learned a very interesting fact about film, the early days of cinema, dove-tailed with the drivers affair.
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of the earliest films that really actually helped the medium were current of interest pictures about the rifles.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's interesting.
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's going on in France because the cameras were invented in California.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: So there was this whole exhibit on sort of the drivers affair on the art that it inspired in the films that it actually kind of
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now it's bringing it to being.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you see really Scott's Napoleon?
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I did.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's that one scene in Napoleon where he's being like crowned the Holy Roman Emperor.
• 4:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 4:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's exactly like the painting and then they like zoom out and someone's actually painting that and it's like a little joke.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of want to see like a bit of the director to just zoom out and there's just the Lumiere brothers.
• 4:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're just filming it.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was really cool.
• 4:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's really nice.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: We went to the Parisian Cinematic.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: They had an exhibit on Wes Anderson.
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's right.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's some pictures of the the MacKets they used in fantastic Mr. Fox and the Grand Budapest Hotel.
• 5:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: The hotel itself was in there.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a big that's a big huge problem.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a building inside of building.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so that was pretty cool.
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to see a genuine French cabaret.
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's at ages six and up.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: So we took our ten year old son.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that you led with that says something.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, okay.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is what they said.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Six and up kids get to go.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: There were no other kids when we went there.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we walked in with our ten-year-old son and like, oh, you're bringing her kid.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Good for you.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, okay, what's going to happen?
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: There were two topless numbers in that show.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's about right.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I took your breath.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I, I, I, I, I, I, I probably did have to have a talk with my son afterwards.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're a little more permissive, but
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, now I have that blot on my parenthood forever that I took my ten-year-old son to see a topless cabaret in Paris.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was also like jugglers and who the hoops.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like it was mostly not.
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: My first public dumb listening
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  [SPEAKER_03]: the experience.
• 6:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was twelve and the world got up.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Was it Los Angeles?
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I grew up a few miles from the Rose Bowl where it was being held and Brazil won.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there was just giant party in Old Town, Pasadena.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm sure.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, we went because when it was in, is this going to happen again?
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone was screaming and I swear to God, every fucking window, people lived above all the shops.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Every fucking window, there were women with just like just boobs and kimbo.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like, oh, interesting.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: But good for them and my mom was like oh my dad was looking oh no like my poor son.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh he's tan he's mortified.
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's like oh face it's like
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: We were sensitive to that.
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: We understood that.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was the most of them we were experiencing.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it sounds like you mostly had a really good time.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Paris is hot and busy and difficult to get around.
• 6:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's easy to get around because the Metro is so good, but it's just really crowded.
• 6:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of walking and a lot of speed.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just tiring.
• 7:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it wasn't very relaxing vacation.
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: By the time we got to Belgium, totally light back.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm really, really glad.
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, I wasn't in Paris.
• 7:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You weren't Connecticut.
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't Connecticut.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've actually, I've been to Connecticut.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: My dad grew up there.
• 7:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I've been to Connecticut many times, but I hadn't been this an adult actually.
• 7:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: As we all know, Connecticut is very different for adults.
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: They call it sin state for reason.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no state.
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's not a whole Greg group's line.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's so small.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: It has adhesive on one side.
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, that's Rhode Island, but which is right next to the Connecticut.
• 7:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can drive through Rhode Island and like
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: No time.
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like it would take me longer to get to Santa Monica that it would take to go to Rhode Island from from Hollywood to Santa Monica Yeah, with much longer But no, I went I went to there was the Eugene and a Neil theater center every year They have a National Critics Institute.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you PlayStation.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I should have turned that off Play me
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I don't heard that but my PlayStation beep.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: But this is a really wonderful program for it's a combination actually of like people who are new to criticism but also people who have been doing it for a while and want to stretch their wings or really challenge themselves or you know just sort of experiment with the form.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So is there for twelve or thirteen days I'm bad at math but it's one of those.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was very rigidly structured.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have to think about anything.
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like, OK, we're going to eat your guy.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Get up at eight a.m.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are going to have breakfast and it's the cafeteria.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not amazing, but perfect development.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we're going to talk about criticism from ours.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we're going to meet with an expert in one particular field of criticism who will come by and tell you all about their particular expertise.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: We had some of the best food critics in America showed up.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember any of the food critics names?
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I'm supposed to say.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, don't, don't, don't reveal anything.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just in case I'm not supposed to, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna go out of hand.
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And also like some of the biggest dance critic, like we've had.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, there was a bunch of old stuff and I got to learn more about how food criticism works and I've done that before.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: We went to Mystic Connecticut.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: in order to go to some fancy restaurants and then write about the experience.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the food criticism was what I was actually most excited to learn about because I love food.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it was actually the biggest challenge for me.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because the food writing is actually really complicated.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: On one hand, you're writing about the food.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you're also writing about the experience.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because the restaurant isn't just food.
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the whole presentation.
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: The whole presentation.
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, well, apparently when you do food criticism, you can't just go once.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to go over and over again.
• 10:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: You need to make sure that the food you had wasn't an exception.
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they consistently produce this, this way, to this level of quality, that the serving style or the how polite the staff is or whatever is consistency.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you can post it all the time.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't have time for that.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: We only went once.
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the thing that I really, really struggled with was
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: To write about food, you actually have to understand your mouth.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I understand my taste in cinema, it's very intellectual a lot of it.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think of it as a very physical thing a lot of the time.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Food, you're masticating it.
• 10:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's being chopped up by your teeth and it's rolling over your tongue and it's hitting all these different taste buds and there was the both of the food critics were lamenting like there's only so many synonyms for crunchy.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've all run out of sedatives for crunchy.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was really, really difficult.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was just right about physicality in that way.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was really, it was surprisingly, it was very, it was very, it was very weird.
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I did not nail that in one day.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would take nail time to get to the point where I was good at that.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it was really fascinating.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen plenty of cooking shows.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think most of our listeners probably have as well.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it always takes me a little back one of the critics or the judges on one of those food game shows.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just uses the word yummy.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that feels like a little kid word.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's like a film critic saying I liked it or it was fun.
• 11:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: like it's like that doesn't tell me anything.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's even start that way, but you need to explain why or how you reach that conclusion.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that was really, really interesting, which I dance criticism.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you do actual film criticism?
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: We did actually, in fact, a friend of mine from Los Angeles was flown out.
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I learned all of her secrets.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that was lovely.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was really, really nice.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I actually tried to push myself and try to do some different things.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I've become a little bit more aware of some of the things I do over and over again.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wish we all had that.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm a little bit more aware of them now.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I'm a better writer for it.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's very much crash course.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: The coolest thing we did, I think, just in general was
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Eugene O'Neill is a famous playwright if you're not familiar with his work, he did, a long day's journey into night, which is considered by many to be one of if not the great American place.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, there's a really, really good movie, Sydney Lumet Directed with Catherine Hepburn, Ralph Richardson.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, who else is in that?
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jason Robards and, um, some other guy.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some dude.
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: And some, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, it's this play that was about his own life and his own family and they were this very, very troubled relationship they had with each other and things was over one day and it was so personal to him that he didn't let it come out while he was alive.
• 13:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in fact, he wanted it to come out twenty-five years after he died.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was more like two.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: They kind of brushed into it.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's an amazing play.
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: We saw a play that just happened to be about
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: people producing production of long days in tonight, like a small theater town, a bunch of amateur actors trying to put on this play, it's all to a place backstage.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then for the bit, we went home and we wrote our reviews about this play, about this play.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then in the morning, we went to the house, Eugene O'Neill grew up in and set the plan to discuss the criticism of our, like we discussed our critiques in the house.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was cool.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a very rare thing.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was very neat.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this was a really wonderful experience for me.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I needed to critics or listen to this, I highly recommend applying some time.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't wanna say it was a life changing experience, but it helped me really focus and realize some things I wanna do with my career that I really hadn't before.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was able to shut out everything else except.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: like the art that I make, which is the second set of film criticism and art, and that was really lovely.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I owe the makers of the Laura Dern movie, Lonely Planet and Apology.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: of your recall last year, I reviewed this movie.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a Netflix original, nobody watched it.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was Laura Durin, played a famous writer who went to a writer's retreat.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I believe I know I didn't print, I think I did it on the podcast.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I went on a bit of a rant about how I've been a writer for many years to the best of my knowledge.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not a thing.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was wrong, right?
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is a wonderful thing if you can go.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I highly recommend it.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I want to thank everyone.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: if just on the off-Chancellor list, I want to thank everyone at the National Critics Institute, that was amazing, and I'm really glad to be back so that we can put it all into action and talk about some dumb shit.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's talk about some of it, because we have a lot of movies to catch up on.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are going to be reviewing the following films.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, sixteen minutes, and all right.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're reviewing the new Superman.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just called Superman.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just called, it was going to be called Superman Legacy, and then they said cut the legacy.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just called Superman.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, it was a good idea.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jurassic World rebirth.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: The old guard to the sequel to that Charlie's there and action movement.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even older guard.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: K-pop demon hunters, new animated film from Netflix.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: A Nick Offerman drama called Savorim.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: A horror movie about Abraham then helps things suns called Abraham's boys a Dracula story.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then some you're going to have to tell me about some of these because you saw these and I did.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this one might be what it says on the tin.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hot spring shark attack.
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly what it says on the tin.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a Japanese phone.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: To a land unknown quick quick quick.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: A bitter crime drama set in Athens.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like present day after?
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Present day.
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Apocalypse and the tropics.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I said documentary about Bolsonaro.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Kill the jockey.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's an Argentinian of crime surrealist crime drama.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna be talking about all those.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's a lot of films, so we're just gonna dive right now.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I apologize, I did not get to see Megan two point out.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Nor did I. And because it closed while I was on my way to the theater to see it.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a Mike Nelson line.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you might have got from Major League too.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, maybe so.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to go see Wesley Snipes.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was Omar apps for play some in the sequel.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to be started moving over the summer.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to go see it, but it closed before I got there.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like it it open and close super fast Megan too I want to see it look really fun and it just tank so hard Yeah, so I was gone for two weeks.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't have time to go see another one I hope the six I saw are going to be adequate Will that five six?
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love the original Megan so I really wanted to see the sequel.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I probably not gonna get to it.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's a few screenings left.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're not gonna fit out of my schedule
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: The way that it works now, it'll be on HBO Max.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to see it before the years out.
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: When I do, I'll talk about it on the pod.
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be surprised if it's not on streaming by mid-August, so I'll definitely check it out.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: But let's spend a bit of the biggest movie release of this week.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: is a little film called Super Man, which is about a super sort of man.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's not go into Superman because there's almost ninety years of history.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just just real fast.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: There've been a lot of different versions of Superman.
• 18:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll say this.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: We usually do that thing where we talk about every movie that's ever been.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to do that.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I will say this.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: even the bad superman movies and God knows we've had some there's always been something I liked okay like even even in like superman three which I think most people agree is a big dot I would argue that Christopher Reeve actually gives an excellent performance in that.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's really where he's all he bifurcates and fights himself so yeah, there's some interest he gets to do some good actually things and yeah, so there's just an interesting cinematic legacy of superman
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I also liked that one because forgive me.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Lois Lane's not in it and it's not a not fond of the character.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's the the right of the beginning.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: She stopped by at the beginning of the movie to say she's going on vacation.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: She comes back from vacation on the last scene.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess she was under contracts and something.
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: And Clark Kent goes back to a smallville and meets a lot of land.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of land and high school sweetheart.
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like them so much better.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love Margot Kitter and those movies, right?
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love Margot Kitter.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Her chemistry with Christopher Reeves always were for me.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love Lois Lane and Clark Kent as romantically.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think a big part of that is because for me,
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think I saw a quest for peace and theaters.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's so super, I'm full.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Too many for it.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to apologize for it more than the most any other credit.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it has, it's really good ideas.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sheep and bad, but that's great idea.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Great idea.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can salvage it.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, in my head, I'm like, if this had more money, it probably would have been pretty good.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the live action version of Superman that I grew up with was the Adventures of Lois in Clark.
• 19:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Our theme was Lois in Clark, the new Adventures of Superman, which I was Dean Kane and he turned out to be an ass, but also that was Terry Hatcher, that was her big starmaker.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: That show is aged obviously a lot, but the whole point was we're going to focus on this as like a his girl Friday kind of dating show with super romantic.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's about their relationship.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: The superhero stuff.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I really want some of it.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's charming.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's really, really cute.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's this very loveable, very earnest guy.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And here's this very cynical, very worldly reporter.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they should have nothing in common, but they're good together in really sweet.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think any good Superman story is going to not just have that relationship, but sell it.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think this no one does actually.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really like their relationship.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: In one scene.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: A bit.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going on.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is not just a new Superman myth.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is supposedly the if all goes as planned the first film in like a new superhero universe and there's already sequels and other characters and they're already making super girl I know there's a super girl film then there's like new TV shows that I'll take place in the same universe and
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: James Gunn, who wrote Directed and is in charge of this whole universe, is skipping past all the puzzle trees.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't want to set it up.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't want to sort of build slowly the way the Marvel Cinematic Universe did back in the late two thousands.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's just getting to, he's getting to it.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: The opening chiron of the new Superman movie is, we've noted about superheroes for three hundred years.
• 21:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're in it.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like we were like, I've heard buckaroo bonds, I described this way.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: The ventures of buckaroo bonds, I crossed the eighth dimension.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like episode thirty-six of a show and you haven't seen the first thirty-five.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: This feels like it feels like Superman for already.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, it feels like it feels like, you know, they rebooted Superman.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then after thirty issues, they brought in a new writer.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the next issue is not going to reboot it again, but it's going to be a good jumping on point.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that's the vibe.
• 21:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 21:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so we've missed stuff, but it's easy to catch up.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it also, uh, the Superman myth is so entrenched in American pop culture that we don't need to reestablish these the last time.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Crypton and then he was sent in the ship and went to like all of that.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: We know all of that.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: We know about the daily planet.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: We know about Louis Lane.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: All of this is established already.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's already the daily planet.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's been dating Louis Lane for a couple of months.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: She knows the secret identity.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's just a good reporter and he can't do that.
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's also other superheroes in this universe.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's Green Lanterns, probably, but Nathan Filien.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the guy gardener version of Green Lanterns.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're the Green Lantern who's an asshole.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a hero, but he's an asshole.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a character I never heard of named Mr. Terrific.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Terrific, it's a fun character.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's ever been done live action.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I could be wrong about that.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he was in like that arrow.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's fine with something up in there.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't recall, but he hasn't had a, he's never been in a movie.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: live action movie anyway.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And here's the thing I think it's actually really exciting about that because think everyone's kind of focusing on oh we're just skipping over the origins or we're getting into a trip.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: But when I was watching this movie one thing I was taken aback by was how every other or almost every other Superman adaptation Superman is the first superhero.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no one has seen a superhero before him.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the reaction to Superman it's almost always like sluthers serve M.O.
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: is
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: He frightens us.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a god.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: What does that say about us?
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: What does that mean now?
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: How has the world changed?
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, how scary is Superman?
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was Zack Snyder's whole thing.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I get it.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not an invalid take, but by skipping the part where he would be the first superhero.
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's not the first superhero.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: What makes him special?
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that he's the first.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's that he is so goddamn decent that he makes everyone else look bad.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone else has to do some fucking introspection about wait a minute.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hope you're all like am I because this guy is that there's a scene in this movie where there's a giant monster attack which by the way, finally.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Finally, in a live-action supremacist.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: He fights a giant soul right now.
• 24:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, wanting that for forever.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it's a fire-breathing.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Kaiju.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: But like he's saving people and all that's really, really cool that he stops to save a squirrel.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's not to save a squirrel.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's that decent.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I loved that.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't even a joke.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was dead serious.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: That life matters to him.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I love that.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: The entire tone of this thing, however, is far less
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's less adolescent, it's less head-even, something like the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's adolescent and head-even like opposites.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Those movies tend to exist for their complex architecture, the way they interconnect.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I see, okay.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is actually far more Saturday morning cartoon.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: It felt to me like a humorless version of a Lego movie.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was funny.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was, all right.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Look, I gotta say this.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever food james gone is expert at preparing, I can't taste it.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's something about james gone's style or filmmaking or his ethos where it feels really flat to me.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: It feels like the outline of wit rather than actual wit.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of banter and I think banter can be kind of...
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It feels really, it can be superficial if there's nothing lacking.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: This banter feels, yeah, very artificial, it feels, I'm not sure I always agree with that, but I definitely think there are moments that I've had.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think what James Gunn is doing is he's playing it as safe as possible.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's making like the most generic version of Superman.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the actor played Superman as name is David Koran-Swatt.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is playing it so straight, he almost has no personality.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a few nods in certain directions for interesting things that might have happened, but they got wrapped up really quick.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we end up getting not really lost, but just it moves on into
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: episode four of the cartoon show we're watching so move moves along really quickly and there's a little bit there's a lot of incident there's a lot of incident and now we're in a pocket universe in a prison with metamorphosis like what is happening in this movie yeah it wasn't this about a war in the middle east a little while ago yeah it's like the the main plot this real fast the guide to give us some grounding here as he said superman's been at this for a while at the beginning of the movie he's just been defeated for the very first time so he's at a low
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the reason why he's in trouble is that he there was an incident
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: overseas, where one country had a lot of military power and decided to attack a neighbor, a neighbor, a smaller group, and they were going to kill them all.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Superman, not as a representative of the United States, flew over there, grabbed the president and said, don't.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people are very critical of that because is he allowed to do that?
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's a lot.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's even a scene where Lois Lane takes in the task for it.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And but his whole argument is it was the right thing to do.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't representing anyone but myself.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I couldn't let people.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a bit where she pushes him.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, people were gonna die.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's it to him.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the whole argument.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I was there had been more complexity to that.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Also, it's a little bit of like,
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if like an American white savior narrative in there, there's a problem with that towards the end when like the people who are being attacked call for Superman.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: That dips in the white savior.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: That I think was a mistake.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't representing anybody but they keep using the phrase truth justice in the American way.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it gets a little muddled.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what is that about really?
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's an anti-isolation of stance.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely political stance.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And my point is that puts him in the crosshairs, not that he's Superman, but that he did something political, that a lot of people want to say is very complicated and from a moral perspective he thinks is very simple.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so Lex Luthor has given Clark Blanch to basically put him in his superhero concentration camp.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so this is a very loaded narrative.
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of things he's talking about.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, he's talking metaphor.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're so obvious.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it barely qualifies.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's I wish that they have used actual like not fictional nations.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but that's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm pretty much.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it does also, there's definitely an application of Ukraine as well.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: And Superman is, you know, he kind of grabs these dictators and says, not that off.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, throw them into space.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Or put them in your own prison.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he doesn't have a prison.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's not a, like, a cab.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't kill anybody.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I would also like to have seen, like, okay, he stops the war.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: But what if he, you know, crushes, um,
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's because my carcass is the dictators, but that sort of empowers another dictator.
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Or like there's actual consequences, there's actions.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: That would have been an interesting wrinkle to this.
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think there are consequences.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's not focused on like the whole world of consequences.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's like the sound of the next thing.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's, there's one interesting twist and maybe you can tell me if this has been, there's the precedent of this in the comments.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is it like a twist twist or is it like this, oh, an odd tape that you didn't expect?
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's, it's a reveal later in the film involving Superman's parents.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's, let's not go into that in detail, but there is a revelation about Superman's past that even Superman was not aware of.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: That honestly is a very bold choice, dramatically.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Really, really is something.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: But again, that's something that I wish they explored a little bit more.
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, how does that affect his character?
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Does that, does the revelation,
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't really seem tempted or to make other decisions based on this revelation.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: He gets a basic platitude from Pocan, who's played by a particular fan.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I love him.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: They kind of wraps that up and then it doesn't come to play like that.
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: You make it sound like that wraps up five minutes later.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It wraps up in the third act.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's when he has that conversation with his dad.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: His whole sense of identity is challenged.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And everyone who looked up to him as a paragon of virtue starts to question whether or not he is, and he starts to get a lot of getting smeared.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, by people who are decided to demonize him as an other.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: They say, listen, you're not American citizen.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can strip you of your rights and take you to a Gulag.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing that happens.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think, here's the thing.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there is a difference.
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not necessarily a difference, but I think there can be a difference, and I think this movie skirts that.
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Between not explored enough and exploring a lot of things to a reasonable degree.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And inviting the audience to make some decisions about what's important to them, because this movie covers a lot of ground.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that ultimately, and I think this is the right take on Superman, whether you think that the execution is as good as I do.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Superman's greatest super power isn't flight is on strength.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's morality.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: He really cares and wants to do the right thing.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: He can Superman is so powerful and invulnerable that he can kill whatever foe comes up again.
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, probably pretty easily.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the idea is that he can humble his opponents.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like he can murder Lex Luther in a second.
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: But he's not the issue.
• 31:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the thing.
• 31:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: What offends Lex Luthor?
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think really confuses a lot of people who don't necessarily, and again, it's art, you can have your own perspective, but from my perspective, I don't think you've cracked the character if you focus on this part.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of people struggle with the idea of, here's someone with a lot of power, who chooses to be selfless.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Choose is not to dominate others.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, chooses to be a good person, even though he has power.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: He can't advocate it.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: He can't give it away.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: He probably would if he could.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's his.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: He is firmly committed to doing the right thing.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that offends some people because then it begs the question, well, why aren't you doing that?
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a waste of power.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's a waste of power if that's representative or at the very least, if he can do it, why haven't I?
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Am I a bad person?
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I can't be a bad person.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: He must be a bad person.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's lose our conscious defeat Superman.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: He has to prove he's a good one.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a really great speech from Lex Luthor.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's my favorite moment in the movie where he kind of explains his motivations.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, oh, you're this is like
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: a kid friendly speech that you might hear from Iago about sort of envy and how that's sort of this driving factor in his life.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I really like that moment.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really like Nicholas Holt, I think is a really good place.
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Nicholas Holt is really good.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Nicholas Holt is like Nicholas Holt, and let me look up the name of the actress who played Mrs. Teshomacher.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, they bring an Otis and Mrs. Teshomacher as well.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, she's my favorite character.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's complicated.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot, this is something I think is
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think this is, this is not necessarily, you can make a good movie and not do this, but I think if you do this, you probably made a good movie.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Every character, no matter how little screen time they have, is a character.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: They have interesting thoughts, ideas, they have different motivations.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ms.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Teshmacher is an interesting person.
• 33:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: She's played by a model.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: She is a Victoria Seagret model, and Sarah Sampio.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've never seen her before.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was interested in her.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: She's very funny, but who plays Jimmy Olsen by the way?
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of like a zon or just on though.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: What do I know from?
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was in book smart.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's in liquor speech.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's good.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love their take on Jimmy also.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jimmy also.
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Jimmy also and I like Jimmy also and I like the relationship he has I like that.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Again, we passed too quickly through the space, but the relationship of the work relationship with the Daily Planet is pretty interesting.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would have loved to see a Superman movie that takes place just with the Daily Planet characters and they're kind of like reporting on it and giving us information.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know they would never make a superhero movie like that.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's what my adventures are Superman is.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the animated series on HBO Max right now.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's about Superman and Lois Lane and Jimi Olson when they're interns at the Daily Planet.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all the Daily Planet's centric.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's other stuff, but it all focuses on the Daily Planet.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really cute actually.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really good job.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: There was an upsetting twist about the Daily Planet, not a twist, just sort of the way the film concludes, how the Daily Planet actually plays a really important part.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it relies on some like
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: old-screen writing tropes that kind of died in recent years.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: The I wouldn't be effective anymore.
• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's so many of us we talk about.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's so many movies that end with oh thank god we got the right information to a newspaper because then people will believe it because it's a trusted source.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's you know what?
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like a lot of seven years.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like oh, that's extinct now.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: But here's the thing though because I think the point of Superman as a character not just in this movie.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's the good guys win.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the good guys wins.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's that it's that morality wins.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to keep harping on it.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's one of the good guys.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the decency can prevail.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is an aspirational story.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: You might not be able to lift a car over your head, but you can put other people's needs ahead of your own when the time comes and can be
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: you can you can be like Superman and I think we can say that for Superman and I think we can also see that for the daily planet.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a movie where wait a minute maybe good journalism actual responsible journalism can say the day problem is
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Superman and Lois Lane's whole thing at the Daily Planet is a huge conflict of interest.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they mentioned that a couple of times in the movie and I thought maybe they were going to do something they do not.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: They brought you to the side of it.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm wondering, I wouldn't have brought that up.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why hang a lantern on bad for you?
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: What's the moreality of having a secret identity?
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: How often does Superman feel bad about lying about who he is?
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: We should be just be wearing the suit at all times.
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Superman needs to sleep early.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can he not?
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can he not take some time off?
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, can a like a famous actor or musician put on a hat in some sunglasses and go on and get some coffee?
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why is that such a big deal?
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, because Hannah Montana is not a paragon of virtue.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'll make, there is a difference here because you don't see, I mean, I'd be surprised.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't see Taylor Swift.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: You might see Taylor Swift, like, you know, the paparazzi codder, you know, in a hood or whatever, just trying to go about her big daily business.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't see her taking someone else's name and working at a Starbucks.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is different, you're right.
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: but also she's not like fighting crime she's performing at constant might be as you know for all I don't want to talk too much about Superman because I don't care about this movie very much I didn't
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: They skipped over the the origin story.
• 37:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't need the origin story, but I need some time to get to know Superman and like him and I don't I didn't get that.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like way we just sort of are dropped in the middle of I'm reading issue five, you know, and I understand that's the idea, but that means I don't care about Superman.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think the filmmakers are assuming I have some sort of care about Superman going in.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: That might be it.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's fair.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a lot going on, but at the same time, it feels, I don't feel so in-substantial.
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: It feels like nothing important is happening.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I completely disagree that point and that was very substantial.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: This feels like a puff ball.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a throw away.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that this is, this movie does an excellent job of capturing the sort of John T. Anything can happen, Silver Age,
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Superman comics.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: We just took a lot of politics and like we can have this sort of throwback to a more extemporaneous era where comics weren't going to get ready but they could tackle real issues.
• 38:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's one of the most famous early superman stories was radio drama from the radio series.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: They Superman fought the KKK.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, he's beat up Nazis all the time, but like specifically the KKK this isn't a merit this wasn't overseas this is an American group that had a lot of fans and apparently Superman fighting the KKK on the radio in the forties
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: really turned people away from the KKK because they don't want to be someone superman fought like they were like oh shit I didn't realize how bad that was sad that that was necessary but good work what's done is my point so I I really do think that this will be tackles much of things I think it does
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't hide it the way some Marvel movies do, where we'll have a theme, but we'll really hack it down so you can ignore it.
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you can ignore the themes in this movie.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: You might think that's right.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're all there.
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I admire James Gun for saying, what would Superman stand for in the year of twenty-twenty-five?
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And how would the world react to him taking that stand?
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's your sight and film.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wish you to go on a little further.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is why I'm fond of Superman four.
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: He wants to disarm the world.
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: He wants to destroy all the nuclear weapons.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: So he does.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do that.
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: He can't, he can, it's like, why is he just stopping this one country?
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: So, all the conflicts.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a break.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Go everywhere, destroy every tank.
• 39:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's no reason why he shouldn't be doing it.
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that's a complicated thing, because he's also just a person, you know, like, but like, there's a whole, there's a story, for example, that Alex, I think Paul Deaney wrote it, I could be wrong, but Alex Ross painted it.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was called Superman Peace on Earth.
• 40:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was a big graphic novel that wasn't a serialized thing.
• 40:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the whole thing is Superman was going to try to make sure that for one day literally no one on Earth went hungry.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, do that.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That would be a story.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That would be all day every day for him.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And nothing else could get done.
• 40:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like, but it's like powerful.
• 40:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't need to sleep and go for it.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I understand that, but then he couldn't do anything about the nukes.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he couldn't do anything else.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: That point is he is still one person.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he's not only capable of doing so much.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's how we get that to Greenland.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Greenland can do that.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: My point is that there's other superheroes here.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's interesting to, it's interesting that this is the setup for the universe that they're telling is that
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people are already doing this.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: They all have their own reasons for doing it.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're not all paragons of virtue.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: They might be doing the right thing, but are they doing for the right reasons?
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?
• 40:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's kind of interesting.
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I, I, I, I, I, I kind of loved this movie.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, right, right, right.
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, I mentioned the beginning.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's something in every Superman movie that I like.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's also something in every Superman movie that I don't.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And well, I don't think this is what do you like crypto?
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I kept expecting him to like hot the dogs were a wall Okay, but that's the thing that's the thing crypto as presented in this movie is even says it's a fostered situation.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is this is a recipe dog crypto is a bad dog
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's a good dog who has no training.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's that because he's also a super dog.
• 41:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's quite bad actually.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: They even put a little keep on him.
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he comes back to the fortress of solitude and it's wrecked.
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, he looks at his robots.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, help him.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, what happened?
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you're trying to tell him what to do.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's grown this monster.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's super man.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: This being of infinite power and infinite patience and the dog tests his patience.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, come on.
• 42:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Damn that dog.
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't love them, but then there's a part in the movie where the dog is jeopardized.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna say, it's not an, I don't see it if you don't love dogs.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It'll turn out okay.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Although, it bears weird parallels to scenes in James Guns, Guardians of the Galaxy Part III.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not to that degree, but yes.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: But regardless, there's a bit where basically Superman has to save crypto.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And again,
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Crypto he has he has a complicated relationship with crypto all that fucking matters the same in crypto he's a he's a dog he's probably scared he needs to be safe and I that's that for me I like this so fucking beautiful and I'm I I love you you're weird sometimes I'm you're you're you're
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't always get where you come from on stuff like that.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know some people find dogs in the way, or find cats in there.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not a cat person, you're not a dog person, you're not a fish person, and a fucking dog.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I love crypto, man.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was one of the best parts of the movie on the slide, so.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot to like in this movie, and it's bright and it's crisp and it's clean and it's watchable.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it feels nothing's going on.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't like the dogs.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I just haven't lately disagree with all of that, but except for that, there's stuff to like month and movie, but we will move on because we have a lot.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, we have another giant blockbuster, cannot just before Superman.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is called Jurassic Park Rebirth, I'm sorry, Jurassic World, Jurassic World Rebirth, which is no colon.
• 43:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I have no idea why this is called rebirth.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing is rebirthed here.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's actually kind of killed off in a lot of ways.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know why this is a whole series of movies.
• 43:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: That first Jurassic Park movie, the Steven Spielberg made in nineteen ninety-three.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of like we close the door.
• 43:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't need anymore.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: The point was made.
• 43:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Minless, and it's island of Dock from a row with giant monsters.
• 43:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Great bitch!
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: He nailed it!
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good job!
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, good special effects.
• 44:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've always been a little astonished.
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know it was a big hit.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm okay with it being a big hit.
• 44:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've always been astonished at how big a hit it was.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody went to see this thing.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a massive step forward for visual effects.
• 44:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was the first time we'd had like significantly incorporated CGI characters that were actually... I mean, right at a lot of time when that first one we were still puppets, but the CGI was convincing enough that we all were like,
• 44:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a fucking dinosaur.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: There is, it, it, it, it, it reach new visual highs.
• 44:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, Spielberg knows how to make a blockbuster.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, it's really well written.
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like the dialogue is really fun.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of really sad pieces.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the casting is great.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like all the characters.
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great monster movie.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think some people forget that it's on monster movie.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it is, and it's a great master movie.
• 44:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you've ever, did you ever read the book?
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Jurassic Park the book is a lot darker than Steven Spielberg's movie, but it's a very similar.
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know the characters are like more sinister and more of them die.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: The guy who owns, is it, who?
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hammond.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hammond.
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a villain in the book.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in Spielberg's version, he was like a kindly grandfather who screwed up.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Very, very different take.
• 45:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jurassic World, Jurassic World, Jurassic Park II, the book.
• 45:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you ever read that, for example, it's full of interesting stuff.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you can tell, Michael Crichton has zero interest in it.
• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he spends half the book riffing on stuff that was only in the movie and talking about why it sucked and was wrong.
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he clearly was forced to do it because there were going to make another movie and it's really interesting to read.
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: I got to write an article recently about a Star Trek novelist, I forgot her name, but she adapted some early episodes of Enterprise to novel it, which was common in Star Trek worlds.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Some key episodes were adapted into novels.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you could tell the lo thing that the author had for Enterprise because she was writing phrases like an intelligent captain would take this course of action.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: But Captain Archer was no ordinary captain.
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a scene in the Lost World novel where because you know in like the Jurassic Park movie there's that big railing grant is like oh you know you might think the velociraptor can only see motion like T-Rex
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you know that?
• 46:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the original book, that was Alan Grant just coming up with a spur of the moment.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: The theory is to why the T-Rex wasn't attacking him.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: The movie treated it like it was a fact.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a bit in the book where a T-Rex is like looking at someone like right next to him and he's like frozen in place.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And people are watching like why isn't he running?
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he believes that idiot grants theory about motion.
• 46:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's about to idiot.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he just got even.
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that was stupid.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: So they made a couple of sequels.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: They got increasingly pulpy.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: They rebooted a whole new universe with new characters.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, not a new universe.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a soft reboot, but the focusing on new characters.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: New characters, same universe.
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: They actually opened the Jurassic Park, which really is the only, like, going back to a different island of five monsters, I don't give a shit.
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Going back to the same island of the rescue, a kid, arbitrary.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to go back to the original idea, but now there's a lot of people there, so a lot of people are gonna get eaten by dinosaurs.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: You finally have a pitch.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's at the very least there's more mayhem.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, even with the exception of the completely maddeningly dangerous ideas, like let's come up with the most dangerous dinosaur ever, and let's train velociraptors, and all that stuff, which really isn't necessary for a theme park.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a better theme park than Jurassic Park would have been.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jurassic Park is a much of that movie.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a terrible theme park.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so the first pen we're going to see is these the Lafaceurses, which in the movies are always short.
• 47:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're actually pretty big in real life.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but they're in movies they're tiny.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so we're going to put a lot of tall grass in the foreground.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, you can't skip it like that.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's terrible.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, here's the two next time.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: A bunch of giant trees, right?
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever been to a fucking zoo?
• 48:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: The animals are way down there.
• 48:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 48:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: How high can a bear jump?
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay now they're make make it deeper than that Yeah, aggressive hardware is gonna be a terrible terrible thing part aggressive world actually looks like a pretty fun team park to be fair and then everything goes wrong.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have a theory that that movie is basically just grandma once too, but with dinosaurs and a lot less funny
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because if they push the sass higher a little bit, because it's in there, but it's a big part of the movie.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't hate Jurassic World.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It does what it does.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of fun to watch.
• 48:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: The sequels get really stupid territory.
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wish they had called this equal Jurassic matter and it was said in that gigantic mansion at the end of the movie so you really shrink the scale down in the second half of the they they introduce human cloning and their dinosaurs get out into the world and they make a movie about how dinosaurs are in the world, but it's actually a part of the podcast about locus but here's the thing they bring back other older characters, but it's like
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't care where they are in the Jurassic World.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jurassic World was about basically what happened if the theme park was open when everything went to help.
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: The next two movies were about getting us to a point where dinosaurs are actually everywhere.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not just on an island, what would it be like if society was just bad about to fucking dinosaurs in it now, right?
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: that's at least something to explore.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: They've never explored it.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it was happening right at the end of the second Jurassic World movie.
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jurassic World three was about fucking locusts and then the majority of them, there's like one kind of cool, not very smart, but it's kind of cool chase scene in Italy with some bolosa afters.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the rest of it takes place in this isolated area that might as well be Jurassic Park.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, finally, okay, here's a new one, Jurassic World rebirth.
• 49:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're finally going to be able to explore this world.
• 49:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's finally going to explore this world where dinosaurs are everywhere and not just on a tropical island.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the first thing we find out is that the dinosaurs are dying out because they can only live on tropical islands, so now they're only on tropical islands.
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't we even bother?
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: What a waste of time at the beginning of this movie and this movie has a lot more of like a boys adventure novel.
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is an old school adventure.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this is like Robert Lewis Stevens and kind of stuff.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little grand.
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I equated it to what if Bert I Gordon had a budget in nineteen fifty five that's that's
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: more fair what's there I would watch an enjoy but yeah in Jurassic World rebirth one of the one of the conceits is that the dinosaurs got out in the world and now they're just a nuisance they like block traffic and people don't care and that doesn't know like by the old dinosaurs yeah dinosaurs are alive why why would you go to a natural history museum anymore like we're gone to be fair that might actually be a point it might be less interesting to see the skeletons exactly then then to see the real thing ever mind these are like
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Millie fossils that are millions of years old well also never mind that they're wrong like they were genetically there's a there's a line in Jurassic world where B.D.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wong's character talked about and he was like yeah when we made these things they came out with feathers and everyone was like well no one wants to see that can you make him without feathers and so we did that yeah they're wrong dinosaurs so the natural history is actually more important than we may be giving and they can see this time around and
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: That first Jurassic Park movie, not totally scientifically accurate, but I think it introduced a lot of pop audiences to certain elements of people in top no paleontology.
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: That people didn't really work familiar with.
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: It made paleontology cool in a way that we had before.
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: It had the width of scientific accuracy even in the present.
• 51:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now we're in a territory where they are just monsters.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: And in fact, the concede is we have to go to the islands and suck blood out of the three biggest dinosaurs there and their mu monsters.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a very video game way where there has to be one giant land dinosaur, one giant water dinosaur, and one giant air dinosaur, which feels like the three worlds on the map.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: They have to go to it.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is there no fire dinosaur?
• 52:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: What a shame!
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: We came so close, but yeah, it turns out that if you can collect the DNA of these three fucking dinosaurs on this one there was another island we didn't know about and this one they were making a bunch of mutant dinosaurs which actually is less of a thing than you'd think there's also just one random normal T-rex But wild, right?
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is your opportunity to go completely nuts with you and there is like
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: There is a big weird mute with like six arms and it's like the size of King Kong.
• 52:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like really fucking big.
• 52:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like the big round head and it stands like an A. It's kind of weird looking.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like the threatening.
• 52:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's genuinely scary in a way that some of these dinosaurs haven't been on a wild, but basically yeah.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Scarlett Johansson and Mahersla Ali
• 52:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Collecting their paycheck are part of this team that's higher.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: They make them look great.
• 52:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, they're fantastic.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're just dazzling movie stars.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a nicely filmed movie.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it looks good.
• 53:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, this is Gareth Edwards who did, um, Godzilla.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: The, yeah, the American reboot of Godzilla from the two thousand tens.
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um,
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're enlisted by the science guy.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually illegal to go to these islands now, but I need you to go.
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need to collect this stuff because we think that we can make it.
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can make it.
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can make it to the cure heart disease, which is not a bad thing to do.
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, remember in deep blue sea, they were growing short brands.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 53:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Pure Alzheimer's.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: This actually has a lot more to do with anaconda's hunt for the blood orchid because they had to go into the jungle with all the giant anaconda's because there was this blood orchid that can make you live forever.
• 53:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, I don't know if any one of this movie saw that film, probably not.
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I might have been the only one.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: But this has the exact same vibe plot and maybe even script as one of these cheap B movies.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's from BirdEyeGorn or the R&D.
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it looks it, to be fair.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's a fun, listen, here's the thing about it.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, they, they, they, yeah.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: They spent the money.
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this movie is rocking.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's fast pace, but not in a way that's annoying and hard to follow.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's got a bunch of characters who have like one plot trait like this person loves altoids this person has short hair.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's all we get and that's gonna have to do because and you know that the less character they get the sooner they're gonna die.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Fine.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: These I expect enough.
• 54:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was sad when the French guy died.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: The French guy died.
• 54:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: The bearded guy was like, oh yeah, yeah.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't have to serve that shit.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was cool.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, very few of them deserved it, but
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: But here's the thing.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a shifty company plan.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're in his white shirt.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's the Paul Reiser character of Aliens.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: So we've seen him in a hundred movies before.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: A connection I didn't make and the guy who does Ryan George called it out on pitch meeting where the the Rupert Fran plays the guy Mr. Crabbs is his character's name and he's trying to get a secret formula.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, I didn't put that together.
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that's an in Joker going so that's what he said.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Are me formula?
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it would be pretty funny.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: But but here's but there's also a character named Lumus who I like to think is a reference to Halloween.
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's probably the however.
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a cute little bit where early in the movie we see a psycho, but yeah, or psycho.
• 55:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: We see a school busco violence from
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Crane Elementary.
• 55:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's some fun.
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's some shots that are called back.
• 55:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: The previous film.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's not too true.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the only reason why we're here.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's bright.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's brisk.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's fun.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then it gets too long.
• 55:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like it starts to drag at the end when they're crawling around through tunnels.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like the helicopters almost here.
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: But there were some fun bits.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I liked the bit where they're waiting for the helicopter and it approaches them.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're way they don't expect.
• 55:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was a really cool shot.
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: They came up with a lot of fun set pieces, which I think is key.
• 55:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, the set piece where they have to get the DNA of the mossesore, that really giant aquatic alligator type when you saw Jurassic World.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a big part of the movie.
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a big set piece.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the first big action set piece in the movie, and it's they clearly like the movie jaws.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, by wouldn't they, and it fed Spielberg made Jurassic Park.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm fine with all that.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's all pretty good.
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a somewhat insipid film, but I had a fun time watching it.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's one thing we have to talk about.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have never before in my life seen a movie with as many different snacks.
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: different songs.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're snacks everywhere in this movie.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: The very first plot point in this movie is a Snickers.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: A guy dropped, a guy's even the Snickers at this.
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: And this is a wrapper.
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's everybody into trouble.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Snickers wrapper falls into like a door and destroys the entire lab within seconds, which is bad sign.
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, and then like, there's a scene where they have to recruit this paleontologist.
• 56:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, well, I have to think about it.
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then he pulls out an Altoids tin.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got good look at it.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then there's literally got to see the brand name.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we literally sit with it.
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they make it a joke.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we're still just watching a character in this movie, Eaten Altoid, for like, forty-five seconds, which is a lot of real estate.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't tell you a black monster.
• 57:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a whole bunch of, there's a recurring subplot with this one little girl who's constantly eating red vines.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's, uh, I didn't see the red vines logo.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: They make, make graphics to licorice.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I thought I saw the red vines logo.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: I put some people say that it's not in there.
• 57:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's there.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there is a set piece in a convenience store that's on the on the island.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a convenience store.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's who products that can add to the bottom of the boat and they're like looking over the map discussing on the ends of where there's an ends of where there's an empty Doritos bag just and no one even wipes it away.
• 57:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like when we need the Doritos bag there that represents the island I'm like I win this the what are we even doing
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know product placement is a thing.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it's laughable.
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: One of my favorites is the Joan Crawford shows up and she's drinking up Pepsi.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right?
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, if you look at Rambo first blood part two, there's a bit where he like is given his mission three times.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: He goes into like this secret, you know, this is the secret black site where we're going to be doing this thing where we're going to like send you into Vietnam.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you got caught, it would be in a lot of political trouble.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's got to be extra secret.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: You want to Coke and the guy has a Coke machine in his secret office.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: A Coke, a Coke machine.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look at that.
• 58:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Put the coins in it.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Did you bring this with you?
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is this part of your contract?
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, wasn't there a line of dialogue?
• 58:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, yeah, I don't go anywhere without my Coke machine.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I wouldn't be surprised.
• 58:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really laughable, but here's the thing, the movie is laughable.
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: The movie, I'm moving to fun way, I actually have fun.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm willing to forgive a lot of this movie's emptiness because it has no ambitions beyond that.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's no message in Jurassic World rebirth.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: This isn't about not messing with nature.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: They don't say it radically, you should.
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we're not going to go very far with that.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's one theme a little bit that they bring up periodically throughout where
• 58:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: This shifty company guy is like I'm gonna take this and I'm gonna patent it and sell it to the world and make millions and The scientists guys like know how about we just open source this medicine And that's like holy Ovex yeah, and that's like the one little moral crox in there, but that's what a blast.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a drop of this gigantic adventure.
• 59:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not the point.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the point is non-sensical adventure, but
• 59:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a non-sensical adventure.
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty harmless and added to it.
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: It does non-sensitventure well.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can only be some mad at it.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to segue from that because there's another movie I saw you didn't with a lot of snacks.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's called K-Pop Demon Hunters.
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: K-Pop Demon Hunters.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: It is an end of the movie.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a couple scenes of this as I walked in.
• 59:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I look terrific.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like this movie.
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: This almost never happens to me because I like a lot of movies.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you look at my ratio on Rotten Tomatoes, it's more way more positive than negative actually.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I have this reputation for some people is being a tough critic and I get maybe I am, but generally speaking I like a lot of movies.
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I very rarely watch a movie, and then be like, I want to watch that again, and I did with K-Pop Demon Hunters.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I watched it, and I had so much fun.
• 1:00:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, let's have some chores, but later on, we're just gonna put it on again, because it's a delight.
• 1:00:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is an animated movie, it's on Netflix, and it is the story of a K-Pop band called Huntrix, H-U-N-T-R-I-X, and they are three Korean women.
• 1:00:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: and they are the biggest K-pop band in the world.
• 1:00:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they are also part of a long legacy of women demon hunters who've been protecting the world from demons, A by fighting them.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: But B by using an almost like a reverse sinner's way, using their power of song, and it's power to inspire people to basically seal the gate off periodically between the world and the human world.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, on one hand, they fight them, but they also have to have a music career.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's actually important to the blood.
• 1:00:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:00:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: They did a pretty good job of justifying.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little arbitrary, obviously, but they did a good job of justifying it.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're wonderful characters.
• 1:01:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: in a very powerpuff girl's kind of way, and that, you know, one's like the tough one, one's like the bubbly one, and one's like the kind of just baseline one, except we find out very quickly that, and she's never told the other members of Huntrix this, she's hefty, and her father was a demon, and she's afraid that her friends wouldn't trust her.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what she wants to do is, if they every year they have to recharge that like,
• 1:01:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: shields that they put up with their song, like protects the world from demons.
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: But they also have to try to give a performance or a song that is so powerful that it does that for years.
• 1:01:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:01:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Responsibility.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: And she believes that if she does that, she'll build in Ted Vaughan.
• 1:01:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a long Ted Vaughan.
• 1:01:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But she believes that she does that, like the demon part of her will be erased, and she will be finally free of this curse.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: The demons, as you can imagine, are a little annoyed by all of this demon hunting business.
• 1:02:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: They don't like it very much.
• 1:02:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, there's this big evil, basically tower of fire in the demon world who's like the demon god.
• 1:02:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:02:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And his whole thing is he just whispers it like self-doubt and guilt and shame into every demon's ear all the time.
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what keeps them evil.
• 1:02:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what keeps them dark.
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like nothing with nothing is working and then finally one demon comes up and says I have an idea I want to start a demon boy band And there's even a moment where the demon goddess like counterforce yeah, yeah, I want to steal their fans and the demon goddess like
• 1:02:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: With that word, and then the demon brings us like his four other bros in, and they just like, they do a little dance, they strike a pose, and all the demons like, oh shit, this is gonna work.
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then they show up in the human world, they've got their own band.
• 1:03:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: their their songs are great and they start stealing the fans of hunter and hunter this this starts making hunter it's like lose their minds because their evil and we can't kill them because they're all we think very public and they're really popular what the fuck do we do and we need our fans because that's how we can like recharge this protective barrier around the world so that the demons won't destroy everybody also why is our lead singer filled with like self-doubt and shame right now we don't understand it's because of the demon thing
• 1:03:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: but like so they actually like do a pretty good job of incorporating every element here the demon hunting the music
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is gloriously animated, it's so vibrant and alive, and the tone shifts wonderfully.
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's one little moment where a lot of it is just this very exciting action, swirling camera, one take fight sequences, and then there's a bit where the demon boy band is on live television, and like, Hunterx is behind the scenes, just waiting for the show to be over, and then they just sort of
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: like, like, mince off-screen, like, like, like, like, fremlins, like, ha ha ha, we're gonna get them.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, everything about it is exaggerated, but in a way that really works.
• 1:04:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: But here's the thing that is so important about K-pop team in Hunters, and it's something that it's really hard to do.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's in a lot of movies and books and everything attempt this.
• 1:04:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so rarely do people get it right, because you, second something challenge.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you create in your fictional world,
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: a fictional
• 1:04:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: work of art, a book, a movie, whatever I saw.
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you declare it to be great.
• 1:04:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you declare it to be great.
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you declare it to be great when the audience, the audience needs to see it or we'll know it's a cop-up.
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:04:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Be if the audience sees it and cannot at the very least suspend our disbelief long enough to say, I believe this could be a hit song.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the reasons why that thing you do is not just a good movie but brilliant.
• 1:05:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because that song is a one hit wonder.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: That song is absolutely in here where they still play that shit and grocery stores.
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, if that thing you do...
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: wasn't a great song.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: That movie never would have done anything.
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it wouldn't work.
• 1:05:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: None of it would have worked.
• 1:05:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: That thing you do had to be.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: That thing they did.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But one hit wonder.
• 1:05:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:05:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: That they said it had to be great.
• 1:05:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or that movie for you.
• 1:05:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they nailed it.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great example of it working.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I've seen like, what was that?
• 1:05:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Finding foursters and example of this story.
• 1:05:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, they start to read and then they fade out and do montage.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you'll montage everyone listening and then at the end, John Conner is like, and that made all the difference.
• 1:05:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're like,
• 1:05:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh fuck you you told us the entire movie these people are great writers and we can't listen to any of their writing fuck off like I don't it's such a cheat um I've seen so many things where we're a famous band but your song sucks came up demon hunters songs are fucking great like I actually believe they would be hit songs number one in the world maybe not
• 1:06:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: But a hit song with a huge fan base?
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes!
• 1:06:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Both the demon band and the demon hunting band would be a hit band.
• 1:06:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I firmly believe it.
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is so fucking hard.
• 1:06:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have had some of those songs ever paid all afternoon.
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yes, to Kpop Demon Hunters.
• 1:06:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was, I mentioned just online like, I didn't get to see it come out two weeks ago.
• 1:06:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was out of town.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I found like that up with it.
• 1:06:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, I love it.
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And someone responded, it's like, this movie is like my personality now.
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, good.
• 1:06:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a good movie to be your personality now, because it's witty and it's funny.
• 1:06:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I actually, I mean, it's not like about a lot, but it does have something to say about sort of the difficulty involved in being
• 1:06:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, not just a celebrity, but someone people look up to, and having some responsibility to do something right with that.
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really fucking good.
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you look, if it was one of those movies where the title sounded like that sounds like a joke, and I'm not gonna watch it.
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really fucking good.
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just watch the opening sequence.
• 1:07:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Watch until the end of the first concert.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you're not on board, we have very different tastes.
• 1:07:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think you'll be on board.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um... What is something about something?
• 1:07:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: That sounds fantastic.
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really want to see K-pop.
• 1:07:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you'll like it a lot.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
• 1:07:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you tell me about Hot Spring Shark Attack?
• 1:07:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:07:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a most natural segue to something like that.
• 1:07:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hot Spring... Hot Spring Shark Attack is exactly what it sounds like.
• 1:07:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: It is about sharks.
• 1:07:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Go on.
• 1:07:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Who are somehow coming up through the hot springs in an onsen in a assuming in Japan?
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a hot spring by the way, if you can't picture in your head, it's not the ocean.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's not the ocean.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: And on the sun, it's like a spa.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a constructive thing.
• 1:07:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: They might have some natural springs, but mostly it's like hot tubs.
• 1:08:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 1:08:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: And people are going there and they're like taking selfies.
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: And would you know, sharks are springing up out of the water and eating them?
• 1:08:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like you do.
• 1:08:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is
• 1:08:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: classic B movie of the highest order.
• 1:08:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:08:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Step one with credits, seventy minutes.
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're out.
• 1:08:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's all you need for movie like this.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Also, there's something really frustrating about watching something with like
• 1:08:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hot spring shark attack or spring brake shark attack or shark to plus versus mega octopus Yeah, there's all have like fun B-movie titles and you expect them to be kind of broad and silly But when you see them on the sci-fi channel, they actually try to play it as straight as possible There are a few exceptions to that but for example Ghost shark is absolutely fucking ridiculous But generally speaking yes the shark NATO ones try to go for a more satire thing, but but generally speaking I feel like the audience want something a little silly or than those movies are willing to get
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: or able to give, I think sometimes they're just not witty enough or having time to make it work.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Eric Roberts, you know, staggers in from off the street.
• 1:09:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm in a movie today.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:09:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do I get paid?
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what role am I playing?
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: The movie that gets it right, the guest spider.
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't see Big Ask Spider, but you've talked to Big Ask Spider.
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Big Ask Spider is a sci-fi original movie and every single way except the script is really fucking funny.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everything hits all the beats and it's really fucking funny.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all it takes, it's just one good script.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: And also they try, they really try to make the the monsters look realistic using limited TV CGI budgets, which makes from monsters that don't really look that good.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like we talked about Bird Egg Ward, for example.
• 1:09:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like this is like a throwback to the drive-in movie where it's clearly a fake monster.
• 1:09:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hot spring shark attack does that correctly.
• 1:09:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:09:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because they're using all the tools in the toolbox.
• 1:09:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: There are a few cheesy CGI shots, especially when the sharks somehow learn to make hot springs just gross spontaneously in the street that they can jump up out of.
• 1:09:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's scenes of shark fins just sort of cutting through the ground.
• 1:10:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Reality is way to buy by the hot spring shark attack.
• 1:10:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a talk about the scientists have to get into this special submarine like the submersible so they can go and fight the sharks.
• 1:10:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: In a hot spring, these are special sharks that have adapted to live in super hot water and also they have EMP powers.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: So there's like the sharks are like shooting likeening out of their noses.
• 1:10:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a reason the sharks can do this?
• 1:10:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or are they like special sharks?
• 1:10:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's a fun movie thing!
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna do like a mad scientist create them or it just happened to be a movie like that.
• 1:10:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: It just happened.
• 1:10:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: They just flinched.
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Swamp up out of the ocean.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's just the way they are.
• 1:10:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:10:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so they have to three deep print a submersible.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: And they have a character, this bodybuilder, and there's all these weird fetishy shots of him lifting weights and poses of his sweaty chest, and he like poses in these comedic ways.
• 1:11:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's also on the submersible standing there with his hands, no shirt with his fists on his waist.
• 1:11:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just stay, yeah, like Superman standing behind them, and he's like, okay, we have to go in there, and they finally, like the lead scientist guy, and the lead scientist lady, finally turn and say to this bodybuilder guy, who are you?
• 1:11:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't explain who this guy is or why he's in the movie and they cut it and they zoom in very closely and he very seriously says to the camera I don't know I love this movie so much
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because they do the CGI thing, but then when they cut to some of the sharks, it's clearly rubber puppets.
• 1:11:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: And they're doing a lot of practical effects.
• 1:11:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that is so much more fun to watch, like a guy with a shark puppet on his hand, bonking into this miniature submersible than any kind of CGI.
• 1:12:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: He practically begged me to watch this movie.
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So much fun.
• 1:12:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I did that time.
• 1:12:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: When I just moved, I went out of town, I had so much stuff, I had to left undone.
• 1:12:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the day was like my only day to finally get things done around the apartment, and finally make it look presentable.
• 1:12:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I literally got a box.
• 1:12:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I should have watched this movie instead of apparently.
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not something you say.
• 1:12:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's really, really fun.
• 1:12:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who are you?
• 1:12:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 1:12:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's an amazing lie down.
• 1:12:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: And even says, all I remember is being raised by the sea.
• 1:12:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, and when we finally see the leader of the sharks, the king shark.
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: You realize we're already in cartoon terror to show.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: For some reason, the sharks are coming up out of these onsens and they're attacking people who are taking selfies.
• 1:12:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: They hate influencers.
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: The shark's hate influencers.
• 1:12:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, again, they can't be all bad.
• 1:12:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we finally meet the king shark.
• 1:12:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the king shark is like wearing a little donkey Kong crown on its head.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like what's it's really cute.
• 1:12:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Cute big sound.
• 1:12:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: You make it sound like a cross between a sci-fi original movie and hundreds of beavers.
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that is that kind of cartoon sense.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: And everybody's really overacting.
• 1:13:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's all really slapstick.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it's not a harm.
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a harm.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is not they're not going for scares.
• 1:13:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're not going.
• 1:13:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Clearly, they're not going for realism.
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's sort of a chaos way.
• 1:13:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's they're not even playing it.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Closed to the chest for a little bit like it's cartoniorial.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's a it's a hoot.
• 1:13:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's completely absurd.
• 1:13:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's playing in one theater in Burbank and maybe two other theaters.
• 1:13:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you see why I check that you can like rent it.
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like free.
• 1:13:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it was only like six bucks like I would have I would have totally paid for it if I'd have the time.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's it's really a blast like I'd more fun watching that than I was watching Superman.
• 1:13:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean
• 1:13:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, I haven't seen both.
• 1:13:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like Superman.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm in the minority on Superman.
• 1:13:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, there's definitely people who aren't into it.
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: But here's the thing.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And here's the thing I think is worth noting.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of the people who aren't on board with Superman.
• 1:14:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think this short because we haven't done a lot of the people who aren't on board with Superman are not on board for weird reasons.
• 1:14:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, why is it about immigration?
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's a super Famicorn story.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's been an immigrant.
• 1:14:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's literally from the first panel of the first Superman comic.
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: They explain that.
• 1:14:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Although there was a reboot of the Superman origin story called Man of Steel like in the eighties in the comics.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I know because it was the only Superman comic I ever had.
• 1:14:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the idea that one was the writer wanted Superman to be specifically American.
• 1:14:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: So they sent in that comic book the Kryptonian ship like Fluther Earth crashed in Kansas and they opened it up and only then did Superman begin to form and call us.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was technically born.
• 1:14:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was technically born on American source.
• 1:14:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they've done that and they have done it, but that's not the norm.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's like saying that like technically Batman has used a gun.
• 1:15:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's not the norm.
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, Jim generally tries not to.
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jim has killed people in various things.
• 1:15:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Generally speaking, no, that's an exception and usually usually retrospective was a mistake.
• 1:15:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I digress a lot of people are object and I'm not, but here's the thing, this is why I respect you.
• 1:15:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not your objection.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't think it worked as a movie, and I can respect that even if I disagree.
• 1:15:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I know you're not alone on that, but a lot of the people that are most vocal about it are vocal about it because it doesn't match their politics or because Zack Snyder didn't make it or whatever.
• 1:15:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And those are not great reasons to not like a movie.
• 1:15:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're allowed to not like a movie for that reason, but it's difficult to justify because it's just did a validate me.
• 1:15:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not great.
• 1:15:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm going to move on.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: There is another sequel.
• 1:15:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right on Netflix with a pretty cast.
• 1:15:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's got Charlie Starron.
• 1:15:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's got you with Thurna.
• 1:15:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
• 1:15:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the old guard too.
• 1:16:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: The old guard was a Netflix movie that came out basically during lockdown, or towards the end of it.
• 1:16:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I tried my way exactly when, but it was during lockdown.
• 1:16:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And at the time, we weren't getting a lot of, like, most of what we still do is we're still trying to hang on to their big expensive blockbusters.
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're waiting for theaters to re-open quickly so that, you know, they, with their fiscal year, could be rescue that didn't just want to dump, um, tenant onto, you know, onto streaming.
• 1:16:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I get it.
• 1:16:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Old Guard II was like the biggest one we got for a bit.
• 1:16:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was an expensive action movie, it was a Netflix original, and it was a big comic movie.
• 1:16:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's based on a comic book by Greg Raka and I forget who the artist was, but yeah, it's Charlie Staren stars as an immortal ass kicker.
• 1:16:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, what if Charlie Staren played Wonder Woman, we'll be putting the rights to Wonder Woman?
• 1:16:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not a bad idea.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just got like a iconic weapon.
• 1:16:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just got this like brown axe thing that just went around.
• 1:17:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: She wears like cool black cats suit.
• 1:17:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So she's been alive for thousands of years and the only thing that she can do.
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And they can't die.
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: They can get she and her other, yeah, highlander mortals can get sliced up but they can't.
• 1:17:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, they can't heal and they got back up again.
• 1:17:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: The one thing is though is that they're may come a day and it's very there's they can't figure out like what if there's a catalyst what it is.
• 1:17:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: When all of a sudden, their mortality goes away, and then they could die normally.
• 1:17:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they never know, but this is the last time they're going to die.
• 1:17:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a little element of, maybe let's not die today kind of thing, but whatever.
• 1:17:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just kind of, here's the deal.
• 1:17:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: She and her small team of mortals, they decide to spend their time working as good guy mercenaries.
• 1:17:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're mercenaries, but they only work until they think it's overall for the greater good of humanity.
• 1:17:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll kill these guys because these are bad guys.
• 1:17:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: in that first movie they met a new immortal play by Kiki Lane and they've like immortal psychic powers they can sense each other yeah and yeah and they invited to the fall they explained all the rules it's one of those kind of stories and then there's this Lexluthore type played by
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a hairy melling.
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, from the Harry Potter movie.
• 1:18:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really good actor actually he's really good in that movie And he wants to basically abduct them from experiments on them to try to find a way to Basically make medicine out of them then also he's evil and that's bad, so we had to stop that shit
• 1:18:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, that's what happened to that movie.
• 1:18:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a bad movie.
• 1:18:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I found it expository to a fault, but the action seems really cool.
• 1:18:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a watchable.
• 1:18:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: It got a little bit of style to it.
• 1:18:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not super creative, but it's fun to watch.
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's basically what if Highlander but different.
• 1:18:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not a bad idea.
• 1:18:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it mostly works.
• 1:18:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not didn't blow me away, but it mostly works.
• 1:18:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so we have another one.
• 1:18:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: In this one, there's a big plot point at the end of the last one where Charlie's there and lost her immortality.
• 1:19:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So now she's just going to age and die like a normal person.
• 1:19:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But all she knows how to do is kick ass.
• 1:19:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So she's still with the other mortals.
• 1:19:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it opens with this really big action sequence as they like break into some big gun runners house.
• 1:19:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's got a whole bunch of weird design choices in his rooms which are of course great for set pieces.
• 1:19:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: They break a window in a way I've never seen anyone do before, which is a lot of action movie.
• 1:19:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you can come up with one thing, no one's ever done before, you're ahead of the game.
• 1:19:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this is really tall window.
• 1:19:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Charlie's there in his fight in the guy and she throws a guy out the window, but it's at the lower part of the window.
• 1:19:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's being thrown outside, right as Kiki Lane leaps through the window at the top.
• 1:19:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's breaking in both directions at once.
• 1:19:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, interesting.
• 1:19:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which is a neat visual.
• 1:19:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how much how much use we can get out of that.
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now that that's in the lexicon, but it was cool.
• 1:19:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I did think it was worth noting.
• 1:20:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: but yeah so she's lost her immortality and now her long-lost lover who you may recall in the first movie had been like sort of found out in like a Salem witch trial kind of way and when something could kill her they put her in like a metal coffin and dumped her in the ocean and she's been there for five hundred years oh gosh and apparently there's like holes in it so the deal is she drowns
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: wakes up, drowns again every couple of minutes for centuries.
• 1:20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think a person would be capable of a cogent thought after that.
• 1:20:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, to go mad.
• 1:20:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: That you would have to, right?
• 1:20:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: But she's fine.
• 1:20:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's been hurt her brain also heal.
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess.
• 1:20:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like it seems like a little fast to me, but whatever.
• 1:20:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, she's back.
• 1:20:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's mad at Charlize Theron and I do like that they confront this and she started saying, well, yeah, it looked for you.
• 1:20:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And she was like, you knew what part of the ocean I was in.
• 1:21:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't expect you to do it in a day, but you had hundreds of years.
• 1:21:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: How the fuck did it take you that?
• 1:21:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you gave up after a while.
• 1:21:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like when am I supposed to do with that?
• 1:21:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: You kind of betrayed me.
• 1:21:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: You had all the time in the world, literally.
• 1:21:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And she's got the point.
• 1:21:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so she's mad and she teams up with Uma Thurman who is the oldest of all the immortals.
• 1:21:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:21:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, they've got a plan that involves Kiki Lane.
• 1:21:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It turns out Kiki Lane is very special and has special immortal powers.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, I got it.
• 1:21:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, she's chosen one.
• 1:21:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I kind of, I don't want to, there's not a lot of plot to it.
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll say, I'll keep it close to the vast, but she's, she's special.
• 1:21:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, in a way that's very, very important to the plot.
• 1:21:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then there's a bunch of fighting.
• 1:21:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then how's the fighting?
• 1:21:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Fighting school?
• 1:21:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Fighting is really really cool.
• 1:21:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Gina Prince Bythewood directed the first one.
• 1:21:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 1:21:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And she's a really fucking great director.
• 1:21:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now the old guard is not the best example of her abilities, but if you ever seem like love and basketball, it's a woman.
• 1:22:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: King.
• 1:22:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the women kings are really good.
• 1:22:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's a fucking astounding filmmaker and she was she was making a lot out of a very little script in that first one and this new one.
• 1:22:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on.
• 1:22:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to make sure I get her name right because you mostly.
• 1:22:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's not it's not she's not I'd rather that up because it's different.
• 1:22:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's Victoria Mahoney.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Victoria Mahoney has done a lot of TV.
• 1:22:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: She was also the second unit director and Star Wars episode nine.
• 1:22:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: When and at no point if I ever thought the problem with that movie was the second unit work So I mean the second unit work on these big blockbusters is impeccable and honestly it's it's like pretty fantastic and honestly for most of those movies unless like it's Christopher Nolan who like micromanages everything
• 1:22:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of big budget action movies, more of it is second unit than you probably realize.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like if you ever watch a lot of those action sequences or films, sometimes before a director is high.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like this is an example of that, but if you ever watch the Matrix Reloaded, I think most people would agree, or have many people have argued anyway, that the best sequence of that movie is that big freeway chase.
• 1:23:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:23:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: David R. Ellis directed that.
• 1:23:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: My guy who directed found this to nation two and snakes on a plane.
• 1:23:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was the second unit guy.
• 1:23:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: He did that.
• 1:23:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Motowski's obviously worked it and designed it or whatever, but he's only executed it.
• 1:23:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: So second unit is no fucking joke.
• 1:23:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you put the other some amazing shit.
• 1:23:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: She makes some cool action sequences.
• 1:23:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not as cool as the first one, but maybe they had a lot of fun.
• 1:23:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Once again, every single time they start giving exposition the movie dies.
• 1:23:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just so fucking much.
• 1:23:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It does not need to be this complicated.
• 1:23:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think Mahoney actually puts an interesting thing in things in it.
• 1:23:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's this really nice bit where Charlie's, I don't know that, it's an actress enough, and like I want to make sure I get a ride, the woman who plays Charlie's Darren's lover Quinn.
• 1:23:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Veronica and you know, I hope I'm pronouncing that right.
• 1:24:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: She basically says it's like meet me where we always meet.
• 1:24:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:24:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's this place in Rome, which has been standing for forever.
• 1:24:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:24:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so they've met there for thousands of years.
• 1:24:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so she's walking to this place in Rome where they're gonna meet.
• 1:24:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And as she's walking, and it's all in one shot, and I'm pretty sure most of it's practical, she starts walking backwards in history.
• 1:24:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it starts like the twenty-first century and now it falls on and it's like this, it's like the seventies and then she walks past the seventies and it's like the, you know, the Renaissance and then back of the Julie Caesar.
• 1:24:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it isn't like fading like it's all.
• 1:24:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like it's all one shot.
• 1:24:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like to think it's mostly, I'm sure there's some work done, but it looks practical, which is a compliment.
• 1:24:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Either they did it and that's a compliment, could it was to them, or they made it really seamless.
• 1:24:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a nice story telling.
• 1:24:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of thing that can only be justified in this plot.
• 1:24:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so it's a great way to tell that story.
• 1:24:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's good flourishes.
• 1:24:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: The biggest problem is, again, the exposition is always way too fucking much and I do not care.
• 1:25:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can get it all done very quickly and move on.
• 1:25:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that's frustrating is that, you know, some movies end in a cliffhanger.
• 1:25:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some movies just kind of forget to end.
• 1:25:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is one where I feel like they thought it was a cliffhanger and technically it is.
• 1:25:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some people are in some dire straits.
• 1:25:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: The two characters who haven't been captured are gonna go off and say them.
• 1:25:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it doesn't feel like this movie ends.
• 1:25:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like this movie, got cut off before the third act.
• 1:25:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't feel like, oh well, this next two-hour movie is gonna tell this really epic story.
• 1:25:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like, well, I feel like we're just gonna wrap it up.
• 1:25:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really feel like there's a lot left dangling.
• 1:25:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like there's like a thirty minute action sequence and then we'd be done.
• 1:25:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's this going to be one of those things where it's like your rebel moon, they're going to release it in parts.
• 1:25:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's essentially one gigantic mega sequel or think they filmed the second half already.
• 1:25:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: It could be wrong, but I got the implications for many things online that another one coming out is in a way a shared thing.
• 1:26:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it depends on how well it does.
• 1:26:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: The first one didn't well enough for Netflix to do a sequel Netflix usually doesn't bother.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
• 1:26:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe and maybe the third one will wrap it up and be really super fucking cool.
• 1:26:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's kind of half a film really or two thirds of it I guess is more accurate, which is frustrating, but I didn't not like
• 1:26:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't not like watching it.
• 1:26:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Put that on the poster.
• 1:26:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't not like watching it.
• 1:26:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not trying too hard to be anything huge.
• 1:26:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: The action is fun.
• 1:26:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Charlie's staring and carrying anything.
• 1:26:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Her whole vibe in this one is like, what if Joan Jet was a barbarian version of Harry?
• 1:26:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, yes.
• 1:26:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm on board.
• 1:26:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 1:26:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great vibe for Charlie.
• 1:26:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love this.
• 1:26:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Here's your check.
• 1:26:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Go for it.
• 1:26:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I will watch a whole movie just for that vibe.
• 1:26:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm behind with this.
• 1:26:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's not amazing, but it sure is how it could be worse.
• 1:26:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a bunch of things stuff in it.
• 1:26:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So... Eh?
• 1:27:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, I'm gonna end with... Eh?
• 1:27:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Eh?
• 1:27:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, we've got a few more movies.
• 1:27:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I've got two more, and I think you've got three of them.
• 1:27:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got three of them.
• 1:27:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's take me away.
• 1:27:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you want to talk about next?
• 1:27:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let me tell you about... Kill the Jockey.
• 1:27:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:27:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is a really fascinating film.
• 1:27:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:27:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: The plot is pretty standard crime movie stuff.
• 1:27:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: The main character is a jockey.
• 1:27:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Makes sense.
• 1:27:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll give you so far.
• 1:27:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Played by an actor, a name.
• 1:27:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let me look at his dad.
• 1:27:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, Whale Perez, Beast Kai Art is the actor's name.
• 1:27:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is an Argentinian film.
• 1:27:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's a jockey.
• 1:27:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's enlarged with the mob and they are sort of trying to make him a better jockey because his life has been thrown away too drunk.
• 1:27:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's drunk.
• 1:27:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's addicted to drugs.
• 1:27:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's one of the first scenes is he stealing the horse drugs and putting them in his booze and drinking before it goes out to bright horses.
• 1:27:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you're not supposed to do that.
• 1:27:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: And they say, okay, we need you to straighten up.
• 1:28:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: He has a
• 1:28:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: a pregnant girlfriend who's actually in love with another one of the female jockey is okay uh... so that the two women are having an affair was it like a pining over they're okay here here's something about this movie they're having a fair but they visualized this in a dance sequence that all the female jockey's brain all silk outfits jiorate before they go out onto the field this is a very highly stylized movie this is like on a matrix
• 1:28:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: that it's like if the co-in brothers are being shoved into a jodero scheme movie like it is mimeles that's a pitch yeah you you've got this yeah there's a lot going on and this this the the Spain character the jockey character it has been given this really expensive horse that's been imported from Japan say you're gonna win we need you to straighten up and fly right but he's in alcoholics who is like hiding booze
• 1:28:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: He has these gigantic shades on, and when they've given this gigantic helmet that makes his head and eyes look bigger than the R, so he's really striking looking.
• 1:29:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then something really dramatic and violent happens during the race.
• 1:29:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: He ends up in the hospital.
• 1:29:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the movie shifts entirely.
• 1:29:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's no longer about the crime.
• 1:29:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: The crime boss is still there.
• 1:29:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's wandering around looking for the jockey because he's out.
• 1:29:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't have a hospital.
• 1:29:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: He walks out on his own.
• 1:29:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's wearing this head dress that is way bigger than his head.
• 1:29:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: He looks like an alien.
• 1:29:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he's stolen a woman's coat and purse.
• 1:29:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: And during this sequence, he might be coming to terms with the fact that she is trans.
• 1:29:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot.
• 1:29:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a little bit of shifting identities going on, but that's not a permanent part of the movie because it ends up shifting again later in the film.
• 1:29:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's this wonderful streak of sort of magical realism that's floating through all of these stylish movies as this character is exploring his or her own gender identity because it's actually kind of being really questioned at the time.
• 1:30:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: She ends up shifting into a new identity and taking on a female name.
• 1:30:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a scene where a character is in prison and they just sort of start casually walking up the wall and onto the ceiling as if that's just something that they can do in this universe.
• 1:30:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: And yet the energy never loses the music is really blaring and there's a lot of kind of rock and roll stuff.
• 1:30:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile the the Lesbian couple is hoping to raise their child together.
• 1:30:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: They can't miss your guys.
• 1:30:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not familiar with the filmmaker Louisa Tagas, the director's name.
• 1:30:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He did black box.
• 1:30:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was just like in the early two thousands.
• 1:31:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: He also did a phone call to Ellen Howell and how in twenty eighteen, which I remember hearing a lot and then actually see it.
• 1:31:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: This one, this one was Kill the Jockey, which is actually just in Argentina.
• 1:31:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was called El Jockey, was submitted for last year as Academy Awards, but it wasn't picked up.
• 1:31:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was nominated.
• 1:31:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can see why, because it's fucking weird.
• 1:31:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: In a way I love how queer it is, I love how musical it is, I love how...
• 1:31:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to define it and I'm having trouble defining the actual vibe of it.
• 1:31:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's half of our job.
• 1:31:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's kind of unstable.
• 1:31:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's unique.
• 1:31:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like I said, it has that kind of stagingness of a Wes Anderson film.
• 1:31:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Everything is really colorful and blocked out.
• 1:31:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: It looks a lot of characters that are always dead center looking right at the camera.
• 1:31:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of exposition is delivered that way.
• 1:31:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: But at the same time, it does have this weird kind of free-wheeling vibe to it that West Anderson lacks.
• 1:32:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: West Anderson is very mannered.
• 1:32:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is actually very punk.
• 1:32:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: I really, I really love the wavelength, but I can't tell if I was on its wavelength, just because it was just broadcasting in so many directions at once.
• 1:32:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't want to talk about the plot too much more just because I like the surprises and kind of sounds like there's like a wildly a shift.
• 1:32:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it starts out as a crime movie.
• 1:32:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Then it becomes this drama about gender identity and then it becomes something else in the third act and I don't even want to say what that third thing is because maybe it's not about gender identity.
• 1:32:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it's about a broader sense of identity in general.
• 1:32:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I was intrigued.
• 1:32:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I hate to say the word intrigued because that's such a crude word.
• 1:32:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, no, no, I think it's fine.
• 1:32:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think here's the thing that I'm picking up from you more than anything else.
• 1:32:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Your voice went up.
• 1:32:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like when you describe it, you're excited to describe it.
• 1:32:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:32:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's something that
• 1:33:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the level of critical conversation that you can kind of only get from video or audio.
• 1:33:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you can't just put your entire review in italics.
• 1:33:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: People understand what that means is it's going to come across as annoying.
• 1:33:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think if you listen to the way you describe Superman, which, again, you like less than I did find.
• 1:33:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the way you describe Kill the Jockey, it's like, oh, Whitney's into this.
• 1:33:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, Whitney really got into this.
• 1:33:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's really exciting.
• 1:33:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's, you know, it was, it was, it was Herzog who said that cinema was star for new images.
• 1:33:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: We filmed everything we can at this point.
• 1:33:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes you can be surprised.
• 1:33:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think Kilda Jockey gets there.
• 1:33:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just in terms of its style, in terms of its theme, in terms of its weird pacing.
• 1:33:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it's also funny.
• 1:33:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like light-hearted and strange in this, like really rye.
• 1:33:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Quentin dip you way.
• 1:33:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Almost.
• 1:33:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you remember him.
• 1:33:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: He still makes movies.
• 1:33:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's just,
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of peeked early with friends of people being aware of him.
• 1:34:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think first movie was what Robert was the one that put him on the map.
• 1:34:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: There was also wrong and also wrong cops.
• 1:34:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't very fond of mandibles.
• 1:34:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I really liked the tobacco.
• 1:34:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it was the tobacco fight.
• 1:34:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Smoking causes coughing.
• 1:34:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:34:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was great.
• 1:34:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:34:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: I love smoking causes coughing.
• 1:34:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this needs something to you that's definitely going to be ringing doors.
• 1:34:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, like, it's semi-serial, but you can tell what's going on.
• 1:34:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's more, again, magical realism, that is surrealism.
• 1:34:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Cool.
• 1:34:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I like that, I like that vibe.
• 1:34:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so let's say you're going to win.
• 1:34:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so we both have two left.
• 1:34:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'll just go, I guess.
• 1:34:34
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• 1:34:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... is a film based on a short story by joe hill uh... it was a steven king's son and he has been as my understanding changes and he didn't want that to be his brand i want to have his own career but yes he's a very successful author in his own right is works been adapted before uh... perhaps most notably that Daniel ragcliffe movie horns based on his
• 1:35:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, so he did, and I didn't read the short story, but this is one of those movies where he watched it and like this was based on a short story, wasn't it?
• 1:35:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:35:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really padded.
• 1:35:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But apparently there was like an anthology of like Dracula themed works.
• 1:35:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to do all the different types of story about Dracula, where Rape and Ben Helsing or whatever, and he didn't one of those.
• 1:35:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:35:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm struggling to describe my plot is because I feel like what should be the first act of this movie is actually the first half.
• 1:35:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but I'm just going to do the best I can.
• 1:35:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, um, Titus Wellover.
• 1:35:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, you might know he played Bosch on that popular TV series.
• 1:35:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's done a lot of TV.
• 1:35:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Very tense actor.
• 1:35:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, he was he was like the same.
• 1:36:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Was he a juggle?
• 1:36:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Was that time as well?
• 1:36:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, good.
• 1:36:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Looks like him though, but he was not him.
• 1:36:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was like it on the last season or two of Lost as like the personification of everything evil on the island.
• 1:36:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's an I can recognize.
• 1:36:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: He plays Abraham Van Helsing.
• 1:36:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jocelyn Donahue from House of the Devil, who is a spectacularly under-appreciated actor, and I'm always waiting for her to get better roles.
• 1:36:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: She plays Mina Parker.
• 1:36:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:36:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dracula died eighteen years ago.
• 1:36:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mina Parker's husband died, and she married Abraham Van Hellsett.
• 1:36:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I know.
• 1:36:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't.
• 1:36:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't.
• 1:36:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't.
• 1:36:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't.
• 1:36:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't.
• 1:36:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't.
• 1:36:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: They haven't.
• 1:36:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: They haven't.
• 1:36:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't.
• 1:36:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't.
• 1:36:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't.
• 1:36:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: They have two sons, one is a teenager, one is a young one.
• 1:36:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: They have moves to California because that's as far as you can get from civilization because everyone else is vampires in it.
• 1:36:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're like hiding, they're hoping that the society won't encroach as far as California too quickly and they'll be safe from vampires.
• 1:37:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's sons have been raised to know that vampires are real and that they should be scared of them.
• 1:37:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that'll get us for about forty-five minutes.
• 1:37:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm about forty five minutes of that.
• 1:37:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't just say that, you know, hot spring shark attack was seventy minutes old.
• 1:37:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, no, no.
• 1:37:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: This, here's a deal.
• 1:37:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is not going to have a good idea here.
• 1:37:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really do think, but I think I really do think the, when you take a short story and you make it into a long story, you're not piling stuff on top of it.
• 1:37:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're stretching it apart.
• 1:37:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're like pulling it apart and I know like like a piece of taffy or something.
• 1:37:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you can't stretch it so much that it breaks.
• 1:37:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it's the pieces too thin, right?
• 1:37:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: You shouldn't stretch that part out.
• 1:37:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: They searched out the opening here where I don't know why.
• 1:37:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like this weird idyllic, not idyllic, but like this weird like pestoral thing where we're just kind of milling about.
• 1:37:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:38:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jocelyn Donahue is not very well.
• 1:38:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Her experience with vampires has left her very haunted there.
• 1:38:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Abraham Van Helsing is not a very tender father.
• 1:38:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a very kind of a strict disciplinarian.
• 1:38:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And his sons are isolated and only have their parents.
• 1:38:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, four to five minutes later, something happens.
• 1:38:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to, if you don't want to hear about this, there's a time code.
• 1:38:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: OK, OK, you can skip ahead.
• 1:38:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel, I feel, I have two opinions here about why I'm going to talk about the next PowerPoint.
• 1:38:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: A, there's nothing to talk about if I don't tell you the thing that happens in the middle.
• 1:38:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: B, it's not that interesting.
• 1:38:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: So, there's a theory of, it's okay, I feel like it's okay to talk about a big twist if it's the only selling point in a movie.
• 1:38:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do want people to say it's not a twist.
• 1:39:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just kind of like, oh, maybe we're doing this.
• 1:39:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So here's the deal.
• 1:39:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And again, now's the time to skip ahead if you really want to.
• 1:39:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, have we heard the movie?
• 1:39:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: They find out that their dad has a woman chained up in the basement and he says she's a vampire.
• 1:39:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:39:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he kills her in front of them.
• 1:39:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Stakes her in the heart and he says, okay.
• 1:39:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, uh, I wasn't going to expose you to this yet, but help me dispose of this vampire.
• 1:39:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: You saw her head off.
• 1:39:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they start to realize
• 1:39:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: This woman might not be a vampire.
• 1:39:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so it's the movie frailty.
• 1:39:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot like frailty.
• 1:39:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:39:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And here's a fake frailty, by the way, deeply under appreciation.
• 1:39:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's fantastic.
• 1:39:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think anyone who sees it, even some people think it's a little responsible and I can see why, because just where the story goes, I disagree, but I get it.
• 1:39:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's masterfully told Bill Paxon directed the shit out of that movie.
• 1:39:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bill Paxon and that movie plays a dad of like a he's just a working class blue collar guy and he has two sons and they live in the small town and then one day he wakes up in the middle of the night and says I had a vision
• 1:40:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: God has spoken to me and he wants us to kill demons.
• 1:40:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the kids are like, okay, so then one day dad brings home just a person.
• 1:40:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he says, I have a vision this person as a demon.
• 1:40:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: This person is evil.
• 1:40:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And can't you see that they're evil?
• 1:40:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the one son is like, yeah, sure dad.
• 1:40:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the other son is old enough.
• 1:40:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, no, this is wrong.
• 1:40:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there is a question of
• 1:40:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is the supernatural real?
• 1:40:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a little doubt.
• 1:40:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a suspense.
• 1:40:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:40:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that evil or is the sun not getting it?
• 1:40:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's where a lot of suspense comes from.
• 1:40:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then Gabriel's boys would have been better off if it ripped off frailty more.
• 1:40:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't mean rip off.
• 1:40:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's harsh.
• 1:40:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: If it borrowed the structure because that what if that's the suspense.
• 1:40:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not when will vampires come because it's literally called a Dracula story.
• 1:40:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: We know eventually we're going to get to the plot.
• 1:41:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not exciting.
• 1:41:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if it was supposed to be exciting, you didn't make it exciting.
• 1:41:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't see them like building the barricades and worrying about a ticking clock.
• 1:41:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're hanging out and playing guitar on the porch.
• 1:41:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not building suspense for this narrative and then pulling the rug out from that.
• 1:41:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're just putting it in a rug halfway through.
• 1:41:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Once we get to that, it picks up a little bit, but by that point, the movies have over, and we don't have enough time to really explore that.
• 1:41:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I do think there is something to that idea.
• 1:41:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: What?
• 1:41:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because that was the whole thing with gratitude.
• 1:41:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think about it.
• 1:41:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, the world's getting more scientific.
• 1:41:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's almost an exercise kind of thing.
• 1:41:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:41:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's this woman who is a mysterious ailment.
• 1:41:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can't figure out what's wrong with her.
• 1:41:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then finally, a scientist, a doctor, says, listen, medicine is great, no.
• 1:41:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also vampires are real.
• 1:41:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I know, but trust me.
• 1:41:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's doctor.
• 1:41:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: You believe when there was that he was right.
• 1:41:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: What if he was wrong?
• 1:42:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what if he just convinced everyone vampires were real?
• 1:42:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a fun problem.
• 1:42:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a fascinating premise.
• 1:42:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to tell you if that's what it is.
• 1:42:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You won't know until the end if vampires were real or not.
• 1:42:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the suspense that they go with.
• 1:42:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: But they don't introduce that until halfway through the movie.
• 1:42:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the movie is a slog.
• 1:42:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that sucks because honestly.
• 1:42:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Titus Oliver is a great actor.
• 1:42:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's being really rained in here, and I kept waiting for him to go off.
• 1:42:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is a ticking time bomb kind of thing, because I know he's got more energy in him than this, and not really.
• 1:42:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to know he was really in the actor.
• 1:42:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm dead serious.
• 1:42:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really do think she's amazing, and she still rarely gets a good role, and I thought there's moments here at the beginning where she gets some juicy stuff.
• 1:42:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then the movie doesn't want to do with her.
• 1:42:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:42:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just a big old way to that opportunity.
• 1:42:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a shame because I think it's a good idea, but it doesn't come together.
• 1:42:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's too bad.
• 1:42:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:42:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's dull.
• 1:42:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I explained why it's dull, but that's the end all the all.
• 1:42:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a dull movie.
• 1:43:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not what you want.
• 1:43:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Usually.
• 1:43:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: from the vampire movie, or really any kind, even a slow movie isn't supposed to be dull, it's supposed to be interested, it's supposed to be fascinated.
• 1:43:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, didn't really work.
• 1:43:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you want to talk about next?
• 1:43:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let me tell you about two a land unknown.
• 1:43:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:43:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Two a land unknown is the latest film from Mokti Flifel.
• 1:43:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a Danish Palestinian filmmaker who's work on not familiar with.
• 1:43:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
• 1:43:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: did a feature film a world is not ours in twenty twelve and I'm not familiar with but to end a known uh... starts uh... two uh... men who were two palestinian men who were living in modern day
• 1:43:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: And Athens grease.
• 1:43:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's Athens in America.
• 1:43:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, not Athens storage.
• 1:43:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, just hanging out there.
• 1:43:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're not hanging out watching REM in the B-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f
• 1:44:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: There is Chatele as the main character you play as play by an actor named.
• 1:44:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Mark Mubakri, trying to pronounce these names correctly.
• 1:44:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're always trying, by the way, and we're probably going to mess someone's name up a bench when we pause.
• 1:44:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's sort of like the leader.
• 1:44:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: He has a wife and a daughter who are out of country.
• 1:44:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can only talk to them over the phone.
• 1:44:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he's trying to scourge up enough money so he can get out of Athens, but also get them from Palestine.
• 1:44:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: So they can move to Germany together.
• 1:44:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's his victory.
• 1:44:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: His best friend is Radha.
• 1:44:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: he's played by Aramsama and he is addicted to heroin.
• 1:45:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: So he's kind of sucking up all their money on his drug habits and he can make money on the side because he's also a queer hustler who meets men in parks and he gets money but then he spends it on drugs.
• 1:45:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: So there they're having a rough go of things.
• 1:45:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: This will pass a line clear.
• 1:45:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is this present day?
• 1:45:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's present day.
• 1:45:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: The vibe of this movie is like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like like, like, like, like like, like like, like like, like like, like like, like like, like like, like like, like like, like like, like like, like like
• 1:45:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: pretty sure it was sixty eight but you know it it just sort of that where uh... in the united states there was a sort of new wave in the late sixties and early seventies where a lot of a lot more grit was entering into uh... mainstream cinema sixty nine
• 1:45:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that kind of rough grit is all over this movie.
• 1:46:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the main character ends up making eyes with a local Athenian woman.
• 1:46:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: She's played by Angeliki Papulio who is in Dogtooth.
• 1:46:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: They kind of start to have a little bit of a friendly regard.
• 1:46:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're not sure if he's going to instigate and affair with this woman.
• 1:46:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: And also they come into the company of a thirteen year old boy who needs a little bit of guidance, who's sort of orphaned, he's wandering the streets.
• 1:46:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: He sees, he's kind of friendly upbeat this kid.
• 1:46:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's not like this poor artful daughter.
• 1:46:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Dickensy orphaned, like he's seen.
• 1:46:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's not.
• 1:46:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dickensy orphans were fine.
• 1:46:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Our father was having a good time.
• 1:46:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I suppose so, but he doesn't, he doesn't have the Dickensy in vibe.
• 1:46:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:46:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the Chantula character starts to come up with this scheme where he understands there's this underground movement in the criminal underground of Athens where we can people are getting smuggled out and we can pretend to be the sort of like human traffickers, but because it's so shady we can also like
• 1:47:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: double back and double cross people and just sort of take the money and never deliver the people.
• 1:47:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so you're going to scam serious criminals.
• 1:47:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:47:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great idea.
• 1:47:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can see that this is not going to go well.
• 1:47:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just for my description of those things where you just want to be like, stop think about the plan.
• 1:47:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: There might be a downside here.
• 1:47:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the bleak moral terminal velocity of this movie is fascinating and harsh, and makes it legit great cinema.
• 1:47:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Where we see Chantelo, we see where he's coming from, we understand why he's doing all of these things.
• 1:47:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: We understand his desperation, we understand his motivations.
• 1:47:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: And at some point along the way, you realize he's crossed the line.
• 1:47:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: But you can't point to the moment when that was.
• 1:47:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Where he's gone a little bit too far.
• 1:47:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Where he's actually going really, really hard with these things.
• 1:47:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to say what happens.
• 1:47:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Doesn't go well, though.
• 1:47:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the final shot, another sort of call back to the nineteen seventy cinema, it recalls the graduate.
• 1:48:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: But in, in a, that's sixties.
• 1:48:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: But in a very brief, brief, brief, brief kind of a way.
• 1:48:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
• 1:48:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: What is it like, like, me, I all sound excellent.
• 1:48:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: What is it like about about that?
• 1:48:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's about that desperation, isn't it?
• 1:48:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's about what makes people turn to crime, how they try to survive and how the mere act of survival
• 1:48:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: can completely cut into our moral compass.
• 1:48:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is there a political component for that?
• 1:48:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because obviously, there's, you know, there's, it feels like you know.
• 1:48:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I mean, just about poverty, absolutely there.
• 1:48:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:48:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:48:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm just under way.
• 1:48:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: People are trafficked and the way, uh, yeah.
• 1:48:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the way immigrants are sort of overlooked, but at the same time also targeted, um, it's, yeah, it's full of, full of different kind of politics.
• 1:48:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I'm just curious because,
• 1:48:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the plot sounds got as one of the curious, but what it was.
• 1:48:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's not- It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,
• 1:49:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, or kind of turn it into miserableist cinema.
• 1:49:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can kind of misery porn or a geek show.
• 1:49:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:49:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, like, and there's, you know, definitely pity in a film like tool and a noun, but there's
• 1:49:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not miserable.
• 1:49:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not just trying to do it for melodramatic reasons.
• 1:49:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's actually very, very grounded and very realistic.
• 1:49:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Another film I kind of reminded me of, it's going to call a killer sheet, but it's not bad.
• 1:49:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's something that doesn't sound the same thing, but fair enough.
• 1:49:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that sounds really good.
• 1:49:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really good.
• 1:49:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Really good.
• 1:49:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: My last film is also, it's quite good, I don't know if I'd say really good, but it's a good film.
• 1:49:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is called sovereign.
• 1:50:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a true crime drama, not like a documentary, but based on true events.
• 1:50:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, Nick Offerman.
• 1:50:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
• 1:50:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: As a dad in, I think Ohio, and this is about fifteen years ago.
• 1:50:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he makes his living doing seminars, telling people
• 1:50:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: how they can, well, over this way.
• 1:50:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: What he preaches at these seminars, not religious, but is that money is a lie?
• 1:50:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:50:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Contracts aren't worth the paper, they're printed on.
• 1:50:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Technically, if you look at the root of American law,
• 1:50:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: it doesn't have to apply to you.
• 1:50:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so anytime someone tries to take you to task for anything or collect on a debt or for clothes on your house, technically you're in the right and you don't have to do anything or pay them anything.
• 1:51:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:51:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Strictly speaking, this doesn't fly in court.
• 1:51:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is not, this is, this is at best a fringe theory and it works, this is dangerously living outside of reality.
• 1:51:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: He has a teenage son played by Jacob Trimbley.
• 1:51:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a teenage son has been homeschooled, goes along with him on all these trips.
• 1:51:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he loves his dad.
• 1:51:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: His dad is not like, it's not like, outwardly abusive.
• 1:51:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he encourages his son to be an independent thinker, and when his son says something like, I like to go to school and hang out with people my own age.
• 1:51:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: The government's response is not like that.
• 1:51:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not what I meant.
• 1:51:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I meant think independently the way I think independently.
• 1:51:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He, the bank is trying to foreclose on his house and he knows how to stall the process for a really long time, but he thinks he can do that forever.
• 1:51:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the irony is, he has enough money to pay them.
• 1:51:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he doesn't think he should have to.
• 1:52:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he won't.
• 1:52:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's destroying their lives, being out of this principle that he is above the law, that he is special.
• 1:52:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what's more, that the very fabric of society, the basic rules by which we have all agreed to abide, like the idea that, look, technically, if you have cash on your right now, you have a quarter, you have a dollar bill, technically that has no value.
• 1:52:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a piece of paper, right?
• 1:52:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: You try to exchange that for the amount of gold or silver that it's worth, the bank will laugh at you.
• 1:52:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a contract that we've all agreed on.
• 1:52:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to say this is money.
• 1:52:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Knowing that doesn't mean you don't owe money.
• 1:52:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, if you're powerful companies like this and you're always like a hundred bucks for the power for the last two months, and you say, well, technically money is a lie.
• 1:52:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: They'll be like, then you owe us our lie money and give us the money.
• 1:53:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not how it fucking works.
• 1:53:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you can laugh at that and you can find that kind of interesting to think about.
• 1:53:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: The sovereign understands that there is at the root of that, there is desperation and sadness that here are people who can only function if they think everyone's out to get them.
• 1:53:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And once you think everyone's out to get you, then the only logical conclusion after a while is to fight back.
• 1:53:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it leads to some real tragic shit.
• 1:53:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a very
• 1:53:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't say the word bleak because that implies a certain amount of apocalyptic moral decay.
• 1:53:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:53:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's real love in this movie.
• 1:53:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you see Jacob Trimblade, like, there's a part where he gets taken away from his dad.
• 1:53:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're on a traffic stop and they say license and registration.
• 1:53:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he says, I am not traveling for commerce, so I do not have to give that to you.
• 1:53:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the cop is like,
• 1:53:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: you do.
• 1:54:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so he's arrested.
• 1:54:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jacob Tremblay is briefly sent to social services and they just basically say like you don't have to be with your dad.
• 1:54:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can't stop you because we're not he's not going to be arrested really.
• 1:54:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:54:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be a slap on the wrist kind of thing.
• 1:54:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: you might want to consider the possibility that you're better off without him and that you have options.
• 1:54:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so once that happens, and once he spends a little time away from his dad, he realizes that is an option he has, and he spends the second half of the movie really tortured by it.
• 1:54:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because his dad loves him, and he does love his dad.
• 1:54:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's really, there's a really company to work at Nick Offerman.
• 1:54:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: We think of him as a funny guy, because he's a funny guy, he's a very funny comedian.
• 1:54:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
• 1:54:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's an incredibly versatile actor.
• 1:54:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I drove to my print review that we've kind of all agreed that he's just like part of America man.
• 1:54:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you just anyone from the Midwest could be played by Nick Opherman.
• 1:54:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it could be someone who has risen to the ranks of a mission impossible secretary defense.
• 1:55:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: He could be the funny guy in the parks in Iraq.
• 1:55:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: He hosted a as himself, but you know, it was definitely part of his vibe.
• 1:55:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: A very good woodworking game show.
• 1:55:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say he's the real deal.
• 1:55:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like he's a hunter and a woodworker.
• 1:55:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he does that because he believes in building things himself.
• 1:55:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, he like he embodies that really, really well, but he doesn't only always play the same person.
• 1:55:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: He could get away with that.
• 1:55:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: He plays a lot of different variations on people from that particular dimension of America.
• 1:55:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is a very complicated nuance performance in him, which is very tragic, very intelligent.
• 1:55:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess you're saying the guy's not an intelligent.
• 1:55:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's applying his intelligence to conspiracy theory.
• 1:55:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:55:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not going anywhere useful.
• 1:55:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he isn't an unintelligent guy.
• 1:55:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's a smart guy making not smart decisions because he's letting his emotions and his... He's letting everything get in the way.
• 1:56:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:56:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And focusing on just his victimization as he sees it.
• 1:56:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really, really, it's a really great performance.
• 1:56:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's sad, kind of sweet, genuinely frightening, because of that, because of how insidious that is.
• 1:56:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's not like, he's not going to turn into fucking Jack Nicholson on the shining at the end, but he's not well.
• 1:56:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: and it's really fucking scary.
• 1:56:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: The movie itself is okay.
• 1:56:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like amazingly crafted.
• 1:56:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do think they made a smart move, creating a counterpoint, halfway through the movie when they arrested.
• 1:56:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: We meet a new character.
• 1:56:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was in the kind of prologue and then we flash back, but we didn't really get to know.
• 1:56:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a chief of police played by Dennis Quaid.
• 1:56:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
• 1:56:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And from that point on, we start following Dennis Quaid a little bit as well.
• 1:57:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we see that he also has,
• 1:57:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: and a more socially acceptable way of very domineering relationship with his own son who was an adult who has a kid of his own and he's judging the way he's raising that kid and we just the general point seems to be that America has a lot of problems with one of the root problems is this our relationship to sort of masculine power dynamics and family
• 1:57:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: that we a lot of us have dads that we're trying to live up to in a very unhealthy way and it's affecting a lot of things.
• 1:57:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like a paternal masculinity essay.
• 1:57:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:57:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm some in many ways.
• 1:57:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:57:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:57:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: The movie itself is good.
• 1:57:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nick Offerman is great and I think Jake McChemblays pretty damn good too.
• 1:57:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're interested in Nick Offerman as an actor, if anything, it's said it sounds interesting to you.
• 1:57:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely worth a watch.
• 1:57:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: If it doesn't, it's not so great a movie that I think it'll necessarily win you over, but it's well-made and it's got a healthy performance.
• 1:58:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, good afternoon.
• 1:58:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we have one left.
• 1:58:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
• 1:58:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it is a pack of lips in the tropical lips.
• 1:58:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: A pack of lips in the tropics.
• 1:58:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not as a whimsical film as the title.
• 1:58:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is documentary about Sam Svarra.
• 1:58:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like a complete and damn thing.
• 1:58:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, this is a film directed by Petra Costa and she's previously talked about sort of politics in Brazil.
• 1:58:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: And this is about not just the Bolsonaro, present dictatorship.
• 1:58:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's also about the way Bolsonaro was essentially the mouthpiece of this really extreme right-wing televangelist named Silas Malafaya.
• 1:58:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:58:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And how this dictatorship was able to sort of scoop up a huge contingent of voters by appealing to this extremely fascistic branch of Christianity.
• 1:59:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I wonder what that's like.
• 1:59:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I can't see any parallels or why this film about Brazil was resonating so strongly with me and American.
• 1:59:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a mystery.
• 1:59:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of strange.
• 1:59:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now what I love is the approach because Petra Costa was not raised in the church.
• 1:59:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: So what she sort of stages this as an essay about Christianity is if she's just discovering these concepts for the first time and trying to delve into what these evangelical churches actually believe in.
• 1:59:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: and she comes to these broad conclusions about how there is this apocalyptic vibe to a lot of these evangelical churches that is better to push the world into destructive chaos and put your trust in the hands of these high-speaking but evil-behaving people because it's a way to accelerate the apocalypse because that is the only way to instigate the return of Christ.
• 2:00:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a thing in America too.
• 2:00:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a thing in America too.
• 2:00:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't talk about that enough, but that's a problem.
• 2:00:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a big, big part of evangelical churches.
• 2:00:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Evangelicals actually don't represent the majority of Christians in the United States.
• 2:00:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's actually just most Christians in the United States are kind of these melee mouth to middle of the road Protestants.
• 2:00:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's okay for me to say that because I'm one of them, I'm gonna go on Methodist Church.
• 2:00:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I find that tracing all of this specific form of right-wing Christianity and the way it informs a lot of actual legitimate dictatorships is
• 2:00:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: kind of a world-life phenomenon, right?
• 2:00:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, as authoritarian rise around the globe, including the United States, the evangelical sort of contingent in the United States took a really big turn in the, I think it was the eighties with a bakers.
• 2:01:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: But they started basically saying being rich was godly.
• 2:01:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so now you're rich and now you have power.
• 2:01:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the idea.
• 2:01:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, the idea that the world needs to end before Christ can come back as the filmmakers point out on apocalypse and the tropics.
• 2:01:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: is actually a really recent development in Christian thinking.
• 2:01:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we started in like the eighteen seventies, like which in terms of the broad history of the religion is yesterday.
• 2:01:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: The idea, the rise of Evangelist Evangelical Churches in the United States had to happen until like the nineteen fifties.
• 2:01:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like these are all really recent ideas and they're really kind of running rampant through a lot of different places.
• 2:01:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like historically speaking, it's not too late for that to be a fad.
• 2:01:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, these are these are fads and the religions will religions will always continue to evolve.
• 2:02:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're wise of thinking will come up as they find ways to get new followers.
• 2:02:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but it's been wielded very in a very mercenary fashion by by certain certain dictatorships all over the world including some that we know right here in the United States.
• 2:02:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fuck.
• 2:02:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: But Petra Costa, it doesn't just say that this, the Silas Malfiah character was sort of in league and helping Bolsonaro get voters.
• 2:02:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: She posits that he was the one in charge the entire time.
• 2:02:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's even this really damning footage of Bolsonaro giving a speech.
• 2:02:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you can see, Malfiah off to the side, mouth thing along.
• 2:02:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then Bolson our finishes the speech and looks right to him and he gives him a thumbs up.
• 2:02:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like this is pretty clear sign like who's really pulled the staryleaster and beds together.
• 2:02:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah Bolson our was finally voted out and was arrested and convicted for running what was essentially this gigantic theft scheme.
• 2:03:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: through his presidency.
• 2:03:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: It can be done.
• 2:03:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: It can, honestly, and other countries, it's done.
• 2:03:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 2:03:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's happened many times in democracy.
• 2:03:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not fucking follow.
• 2:03:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: However, this film was completed before some very recent news that's about how our own dictator, excuse me, I'm pumping the table.
• 2:03:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 2:03:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Our own dictator has actually reached out and said, I'm going to impose tariffs on Brazil if you don't let Bolsonaro go.
• 2:03:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: So these assholes were there for each other.
• 2:03:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: That was like last weekend.
• 2:03:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's that's that's that's so this is kind of up to the minute this document.
• 2:03:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's on Netflix.
• 2:03:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's there's two versions.
• 2:03:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's one where
• 2:03:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like longer?
• 2:03:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, Peter Costa and I narrates and kind of gives this sort of like analysis of Christianity.
• 2:04:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: One is in Portuguese and one is in English.
• 2:04:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I imagine they're equally effective.
• 2:04:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: I watch the Portuguese version.
• 2:04:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, shit.
• 2:04:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 2:04:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: So, it's going to cut a little deep.
• 2:04:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even though this is about the politics of Brazil, this is about the politics of the world right now and how authoritarianism functions today.
• 2:04:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is, excuse me, I cannot pretend I know everything it's going on in Brazil.
• 2:04:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I tried to follow it for a while.
• 2:04:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's exhausting.
• 2:04:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's exhausting here.
• 2:04:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, look.
• 2:04:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: To keep up with that level of fashion.
• 2:04:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: The current president.
• 2:04:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Luis Lula to Silva, or he's just called Lula, is in charge now, and he's actually a very left wing.
• 2:04:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I'm not saying it's still going on, but like when Bolsonaro was in power, just keeping track with what?
• 2:04:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because America, listen, if you're not American when you're listening to this, and I know we have a lot of international listeners, thank you.
• 2:04:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't get great consistent news about other countries.
• 2:05:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, America's very isolated.
• 2:05:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's just they don't think we care, and some people don't think it's relevant, and that's bullshit.
• 2:05:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so when we do get a news story about another country, it's usually because things have gone really bad.
• 2:05:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there were some people doing some good work trying to keep track of what's going on with Bolsonaro.
• 2:05:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: just head spinning stuff man and it's just happening here and it's really fucking horrifying.
• 2:05:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, um, but
• 2:05:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good things can happen.
• 2:05:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 2:05:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 2:05:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: People can be held to account.
• 2:05:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So fingers crossed that they will.
• 2:05:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do a review round up because we've been doing this for two hours.
• 2:05:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I honestly thought this would be a longer episode.
• 2:05:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: We review movies on a scale of C minus to C plus the lowest score of movie can get as a C minus technically that's below average.
• 2:05:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: The average score would be a C because that is an average movie.
• 2:06:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what average means?
• 2:06:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it's okay.
• 2:06:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You get some good some bad.
• 2:06:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I only get so good.
• 2:06:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then C++ is about average.
• 2:06:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's usually we hardly recommend whether we think they're just really fun or we think they're genius.
• 2:06:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: On that note, a pack of lips in the tropics would make up.
• 2:06:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to give it a C++ just because it hits so hard.
• 2:06:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how it's going to play in a couple of years time, but it's really up to the minute.
• 2:06:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: And if you watch it now, it's going to hit you hard too.
• 2:06:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to go to C++.
• 2:06:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's something you need to watch pretty immediately.
• 2:06:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think there is a tendency when we look at certain movies to think about, you know, how will it play in a hundred years?
• 2:06:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is okay that they're a photograph of a moment in time.
• 2:06:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That can have value too.
• 2:06:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting.
• 2:06:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, a sovereign.
• 2:06:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give it a C-plus.
• 2:06:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's mostly for any cofferments performance and taking tremble is really good in as well.
• 2:06:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it is a well-made movie and it does feel like it gets at something very tragic.
• 2:07:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: about people in this modern world who are trying to desperately live outside of it as much as possible in a way that's very self-destructive to themselves and others.
• 2:07:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, Nick Armstrong is crying out, I love him.
• 2:07:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: To a random note.
• 2:07:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a C++.
• 2:07:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's really intense.
• 2:07:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's really dark.
• 2:07:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's very real.
• 2:07:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a tough set.
• 2:07:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it's intense in that kind of nineteen seventies way that I really dig now.
• 2:07:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Abraham's voice, a Dracula story, is it's a C-minus.
• 2:07:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a particularly, it's not an involving film.
• 2:07:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a seed of something good in here.
• 2:07:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's one of those movies where it doesn't work, but I want to be encouraging.
• 2:07:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's like a few very specific choices were made that unfortunately made the entire movie slower than it should have been.
• 2:07:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I do believe that there's talent involved here.
• 2:07:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I do hope everyone involved just takes what we've learned and doesn't even better next time.
• 2:08:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it is very good to see minus.
• 2:08:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, let's see, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 2:08:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I wait for something that tastes a little new on my plate.
• 2:08:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's this gave me a new flavor.
• 2:08:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
• 2:08:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the old guard, too.
• 2:08:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, this is the definition of a sea.
• 2:08:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, uh, like a separate stuff in it that's well done.
• 2:08:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's stuff in it that's just kind of okay.
• 2:08:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's never not it's it's always watchable.
• 2:08:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
• 2:08:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but it's nothing about it feels particularly special of them like a couple of good flourishes here and there.
• 2:08:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 2:08:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but, uh, if you like Charlie Staren, she carries the film.
• 2:08:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bye God.
• 2:08:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
• 2:08:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so there you go.
• 2:09:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, hot springs, shirk attack.
• 2:09:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's also a sea of plus.
• 2:09:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I had such a blast watching this movie.
• 2:09:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's one I do want to watch again.
• 2:09:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just, you know, and because I can do it in such a short amount of time, I can do it easily.
• 2:09:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
• 2:09:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, K-pop demon hunters.
• 2:09:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is when I already was watching it.
• 2:09:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a huge C-plus.
• 2:09:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really really admire it a lot.
• 2:09:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it is.
• 2:09:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: a brisk and energetic uh... it really makes the most out of the animated medium that it's in uh... it's got a it's about singers and it's got a fucking great soundtrack which is a big deal for you ask man it's hard to pull off uh... it's original songs uh... so yeah it's it's a hoot it actually is about something not terribly deep about it but you know it's a it's a real emotional beats uh... has something has some thoughts about celebrity and
• 2:09:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, and it's really fucking funny.
• 2:09:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like it's got a bunch of really good giggle moments and just god damn was it fun to watch.
• 2:10:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, big old C++.
• 2:10:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jurassic World Rebirth.
• 2:10:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: See the fun adventure flick kind of empty yeah slick the special effects are fantastic characters cardboard cutouts, but they were only ever designed that way.
• 2:10:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's it's unembitioned unembitious and Six Seeds with its lack of ambition.
• 2:10:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is one of those ones where like it's it's definitely fun to watch But I don't know if it's so fun to watch I can come from the give it a seat plus cuz it'll be a seat plus just if it's really
• 2:10:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, if, yeah.
• 2:10:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good time.
• 2:10:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's there's certainly, you know, it's good.
• 2:10:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good night out movie.
• 2:10:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're going to just go on a date and see a big monster movie that Bell that's fun.
• 2:10:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: But as a movie itself, I can't give it more than I see.
• 2:10:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it is like a comfortable sea.
• 2:10:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a high sea.
• 2:10:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 2:10:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's slick, but it's just in sip it.
• 2:10:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's like an in sip.
• 2:10:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then lastly, I know we're gonna disagree on this one superman superman.
• 2:11:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel about this the way you feel about the old guard.
• 2:11:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like five out of ten right up the middle.
• 2:11:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not bad.
• 2:11:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just not terribly interesting today.
• 2:11:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's a series.
• 2:11:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Superman is legitimately great and extremely interesting.
• 2:11:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I saw the things you saw I've just not impressed by.
• 2:11:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
• 2:11:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
• 2:11:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: They spoke to me.
• 2:11:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And again, part of this is, you mentioned at the beginning.
• 2:11:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: People, you said that there's an assumption that you have some, some affection for the character, or something already invested in Superman.
• 2:11:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And to be frank, I do.
• 2:11:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not alone on that.
• 2:11:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know this is a very well-known character.
• 2:11:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people do.
• 2:11:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: People have very different ideas about them, sure, but I do.
• 2:11:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this was the first Superman movie I've seen that it doesn't get everything right.
• 2:11:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It definitely whiffs a few things, but it does so much right.
• 2:11:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: The vast majority of it, I think, is right.
• 2:11:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 2:11:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: That I really do feel like
• 2:12:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a Superman movie made by someone who not only likes Superman, but likes Superman as a person.
• 2:12:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And just things that every single thing they do,
• 2:12:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: is interesting and endearing and there's a way to challenge him that has nothing to do with fights.
• 2:12:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yet we're going to fill it with bizarre weird wonderful shit.
• 2:12:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: because it's Superman because Superman really doesn't need to stand for something he needs to stand in opposition to something bad and although some of it is allegorical it's so thin way allegorical I'm not going to get it for it.
• 2:12:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's about what's going on now and a way that I think is
• 2:12:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, pretty daring when you're trying to get a franchise off the ground, because I think the temptation is usually to try to make it just accessible to everybody and not ruffle any feathers.
• 2:13:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's ruffling some feathers, and I think that's a good thing.
• 2:13:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I had a wonderful time with it.
• 2:13:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like a macular, but
• 2:13:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So much of it is wonderful and I really really loved it.
• 2:13:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the first equipment movie where I was like, yes, that's what I want to thank you, right?
• 2:13:17
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