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The County Line Podcast: Ep. 18 · The County Line

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  SPEAKER_00: You're listening to the County Line Podcast, production of the Tulsa County Board of County Commissioners.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, Tulsa County.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ethan Hutchins here with another edition of the County Line Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: And today I'm joined with Commissioner Stan Salee and CEO of Quantum Space and former NASA administrator Jim Breidenstein.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you both for being here today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thrilled to be here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having us.
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  SPEAKER_00: So today we're talking about really your um your history with NASA, um, also now with quantum space.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about kind of where you're from and how you um were able to achieve all these past things that you've done.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I gr I grew up in Arlington, Texas.
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  SPEAKER_01: I moved to Tulsa when I was a junior in high school, uh, graduated from Jenx High School, went back to Rice University for college.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh after graduating from Rice, I joined the Navy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh I spent nine years on active duty.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was a pilot, uh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Flying E-2 Hawkeyes initially, flew combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, uh, transitioned from the E-2 Hawkeye to the F-18 Hornet, flew the F-18 Hornet at the Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center, the parent command to Top Gun.
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  SPEAKER_01: My job was to be a target.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I flew what we call red air.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my job was to be a bad guy and get shot down by top gun pilots and top gun instructors.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was a lot of fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I did that for three years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then during that time I got married.
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  SPEAKER_01: My wife and I had our first baby.
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  SPEAKER_01: I married a girl born and raised in Tulsa.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and when we left the Navy, we had this great burden to move back home.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and so we moved back to Tulsa.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got a job running the nonprofit Tulsa Air and Space Museum, uh, eventually ran for the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: House of Representatives, served on the Armed Services Committee in the House of Representatives, and on the Science Committee.
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  SPEAKER_01: On the Armed Services Committee, I was on the subcommittee on what we call strategic forces, which deals with all of our national security space capabilities.
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  SPEAKER_01: And on the science committee, uh, we oversee NASA, but we also oversee NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which deals with our weather enterprise.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people don't realize about 40% of NOAA's budget is in fact space.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um between NASA and NOAA and national security space, all I was dealing with in the House of Representatives, it seemed like day in and day out was space-related activities.
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  SPEAKER_01: I drafted a very comprehensive space reform bill called the American Space Renaissance Act.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it kind of put me on the map as a leader in Congress in space.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then when President Trump became president, um I actually interviewed for two positions.
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  SPEAKER_01: One was Secretary of the Air Force.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I had I was one of a small group of people who created the Space Force when we were in the House of Representatives.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and President Trump, or at least his team, knew that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh so I interviewed to be Secretary of the Air Force, which the Space Force, the way we concocted it, would report to the Secretary of the Air Force, which is how it how it's organized today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I interviewed to be the Secretary of the Air Force at Trump Tower, and then I interviewed at the Capitol to be the NASA administrator, and uh I was asked to be the NASA administrator.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I ran NASA for President Trump's first term in office.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we launched, you know, American astronauts on American rockets from American soil for the first time since the retirement of the space shuttle back in 2011.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh we made that launch in 2019.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, it would have been 2020, May of 2020.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so that was a big milestone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then we created a program called the Artemis program to take American astronauts back to the moon.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh so anyway, that's kind of my life in a nutshell.
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  SPEAKER_01: Since coming home after the first Trump administration, um I worked uh in private equity a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did some space consulting, and then I was asked to uh to run uh Quantum Space, which is a national security space company.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I am the CEO, and we are going to grow manufacturing here in Tulsa uh in large part, uh, thanks to the the great county commissioners, including Stan Sali, who we're here with today.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I appreciate that, Jim.
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  SPEAKER_03: But um I feel so minimal right now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Come on, what a career you've had.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, an honor it is for you to be here today.
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  SPEAKER_03: Really, it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh uh what did it feel like when when you got the the phone call and uh to be the uh NASA administrator?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was it was a little interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so I you know I I'll be honest, I really wanted to be the secretary of the Air Force.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I interviewed at Trump Tower, that's kind of where my heart was set.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was a national security guy my whole life.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had nine years active duty in the in the Navy, and then in Congress, I was on the Armed Services Committee, which is where I wanted to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: I kind of got drafted onto the Science Committee, which deals with NASA and NOAA.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I really, I mean, national security was was everything that that that I had you know grown up doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so I was I was kind of like uh taken aback when they were like, hey, um, and by the way, Heather Wilson became the secretary of the Air Force.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's a road scholar, she's now the president of the University of Texas at El Paso.
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  SPEAKER_01: She did a great job as secretary of the Air Force.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I am I'm under uh no illusions that I could have done better than her.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, um that that was the position I really, really wanted.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and then this thing, this NASA thing came up, and I'm like, look, I've spent my whole life in national security.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now you want me to go to moon, go to the moon, go to Mars, worry about Pluto.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like this this doesn't really fit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but then when I looked at the economic impact from the commercialization of space and all of the activities that were happening, it didn't take, and by the way, I I didn't just learn about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I was pushing it when I was in Congress pretty heavily.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um But once I realized that I could make a big difference when it comes to commercial space and what I think is going to be a large and growing sector of the American economy for a long time, uh it was the right place to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Speaking of that, you know, Tulsa being now considered a satellite city and all the great things happening with that discussion, why is Tulsa being talked about like that?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, why do you think this is the place for space to grow?
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell Well, I think we've had really good leadership um at the state level and at the county level and even at the city level, like all the different levels of state government working together uh to encourage and foster this new activity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think I think you know what what I've been letting folks know is um if you look at the Space Force, it was created by President Trump in his first term.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you look at President Obama or President Biden's term, it the Space Force budget doubled.
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  SPEAKER_01: And already, again, under President Trump's new term, the Space Force budget is doubling again.
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  SPEAKER_01: The the threats that we are facing from space are really overwhelming.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I say that, I don't, I'm not saying that just because it's uh it's in my interest to say that, although I guess it is in my interest to say it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the reality is like um we're seeing our adversaries launch anti-satellite missiles and anti-satellite satellites and other proliferated technologies.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the question is why?
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  SPEAKER_01: And this goes back to my days as a Navy pilot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every domain of warfare is dependent on space.
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  SPEAKER_01: The air domain, the land domain, the sea domain, it's all dependent on space.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the way we communicate, the way we navigate, the way we do intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, the way we do nuclear command and control, the way we do missile warning and missile tracking, the way we network everybody together in a theater, so we're all looking at the same integrated picture to make sure we know where the good guys are and where the bad guys are, and we can network our sensors with our shooters.
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  SPEAKER_01: The way we do targeting, people are familiar with precision-guided munitions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, all of that is made available because of space-based capabilities.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that I think when when we when we flew missions, or I guess when we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think our adversaries saw the overmatch that we had because of space, and they immediately started moving out on capability to to mitigate against that threat, what their perceived threat.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um that's why we see these new technologies.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um look, the the reality is uh as long as the state of Oklahoma, Tulsa County, as long as everybody aligns with the Space Force budget, I think there's going to be a lot of economic growth and opportunity in the city of Tulsa and in the state of Oklahoma.
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  SPEAKER_03: Jim, just recently uh the city of Tulsa, the product development incentives, and the Department of Commerce assisted uh some funding on uh with Agile just recently and the the test facility.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: Can you talk about that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that's a great point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so Agile Space Industries, they build this thing called a hypergolic test facility.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it used to be that you put a satellite in orbit and it just stays in orbit because there it has there's no resistance.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it just k you know, every 90 minutes a satellite goes around the Earth in low Earth orbit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and and so in that in that kind of capability, um you can actually set your watch by by the the orbit of the satellite.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in fact, 20 years from now you can predict almost perfectly where that satellite is going to be 20 years from now based on its orbit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um that's predictable and it's and it's very dangerous when you're in a war and you're depending on those satellites for all types of capability.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so what what Agile Space Industries is building is an ability to maneuver in space.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they have basically what we call a hypergalic thruster.
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  SPEAKER_01: So think of a thruster that's high energy to get out of the way of a threat or to get out of the way of debris.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um but it's it's high energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can get up close and personal with other other spacecraft as they get up close and personal with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Think of like Cold War era air-to-air engagements uh over the Atlantic or the Arctic, if you will.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that type of capability is gonna be needed in space going forward.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: They're building those types of thrusters, and they all have to be tested.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we noticed, and obviously we talked to you about it and others, um, we noticed that there is no ability to test those thrusters.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there there are abilities, there is an ability to test those thrusters, but it's a bottleneck and you got to wait for four years to get to get in the queue to test your thrusters.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: So we we believed like if you were to build that capability in Tulsa, it becomes a magnet.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Now everybody has to come to Tulsa to to test their in-space propulsion systems.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's really what it is, in-space propulsion.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you you test that here in Tulsa.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if you're gonna test it here in Tulsa and it's tested to a standard that the Space Force needs and requires, um, then people are also gonna manufacture here.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so this agile space industries, as you said, uh I guess the the Oklahoma Department of Commerce was able to give them an incentive to build that hypergolit test facility here in Tulsa.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then they were like, okay, well, I guess if we're gonna test there, we'll just build our manufacturing facility there.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that they're gonna do that or not, but um certainly they're gonna need to ramp up their manufacturing.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: We at Quantum Space, we looked at that and said, we need that test facility as well.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, I'm I'm kind of a gomer for Tulsa.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh it wasn't hard for me to say we need we need to use that facility and we need to use the Tulsa Tech capabilities, all of the great career tech uh folks that are graduating, um, able to build things and and test things.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: So we're um we're really excited about Agile Space Industries being here, quantum space being here.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, the Oklahoma Department of Commerce uh was a big part of kind of creating that that first step that I believe will result in a cluster.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: And we're seeing it now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dawn Aerospace is gonna be, it's a they have a space plane that flies to suborbital space.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna be flying out of Burns Flat down in southwest Oklahoma.
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  SPEAKER_01: So all of that is really good activity for uh for Oklahoma.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's my understanding on that program as well, with from talking with some Department of Commerce, uh John Budd and them, that uh as they use that facility, a certain uh as outside companies come in and use that test facility is that there's a royalty that goes back to the Department of Commerce to assist and not necessarily repaying, but but to get some of the funding back to commerce.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a really a great program for uh companies like this.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Commissioner, how is the county uh partnering with these companies to move this forward, you know, with economic development and creating jobs?
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like how is the county kind of helping to push this forward?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: Well, in you know, when Jim approached us, uh we had talked uh previously with uh some of the city of Tulsa elected officials and uh economic development folks, and they had assisted uh on the agile uh project, and this was uh an opportunity for us to do the same thing with uh with quantum and uh thought it'd be a just a tremendous partnership to uh advocate for space technology.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: And satellite city is no real joke.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's so much going up on in North Tolson.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I I like to think it's back from W.
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  SPEAKER_03: G.
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  SPEAKER_03: Skelly, uh the Tulson Municipal Airport in 1928, and Spartan School of Aeronautics.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, all of those are deep, deep history for for aviation and aerospace.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_03: And and why not tulsa in the middle of the country?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: And and now we've got uh the 36 uh the drone program just set up north, and had a recent announcement with another drone company dropping uh goods and services uh on our doorstep all over the the area.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: So it's phen it's just phenomenal how uh this is changing uh uh how we go about business in our daily life and and then the aspect of uh what's happening in space that uh most of us aren't aware of.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I've heard this gentleman talk many, many times.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh and it's something that we the the community, the the public should be concerned about of uh national defense.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Quantum is uh a part of that as well.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think aligning the city of Tulsa and the state of Oklahoma with where we know the future is going to be as it relates to national security and defense is it's where we ought to be.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's um you you look at the the the past in Oklahoma, the the idea that we were able to establish, you know, Tinker Air Force Base, Vance Air Force Base, uh the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center, Altus Air Force Base, Fort Sill, those are those all have a federal nexus, but that federal nexus results in billions of dollars of of capital and and um and spending coming into the state of Oklahoma on the commercial side of things as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think um when we think about the Space Force, uh aligning with the Space Force as the State of Oklahoma did with the Air Force, you know, 60 years ago is uh is really the right approach.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Jim, what about uh a acquisition uh merger that you're getting ready to interview you've been working on for quite some time?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, so we're we're actually going public with with a SPAC, a special purpose acquisition company.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: The SPAC is called Inflection Point Capital.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's their sixth fund, and so it's called Inflection Point Six.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they have basically a special purpose acquisition company is a company that gets established as a public entity, but it has no activities underneath it.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: It is literally$250 million sitting in trust with um with a management team, and that's it.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: And that and it's publicly traded on NASDAQ.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so think of it as a company that is looking for an acquisition.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we at Quantum Space uh became a target of theirs.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they said, hey, look, we've got 250 million in trust.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um we'd like to merge with you, and then you would be a publicly traded company, and we would bring our balance sheets together, which of course is helpful for capital raising.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: So the through a number of different um you know conversations and planning, we we agreed that we would do that.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we tentatively agreed that we would do that, but we also wanted to raise more capital.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: So we put together what's called a pipe, a private investment in a public equity.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: We raised$300 million in a pipe.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um so we're moving out even right now uh with growing quantum space.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um and this quarter of 2026, the fourth quarter of 2026, we will be merging with Inflection Point and bringing our companies together.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: And at that point, Inflection Point six becomes quantum space, and quantum space is then a publicly traded company.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's currently on NASDAQ, and we're looking at whether or not we might want to switch over to the New York Stock Exchange or how we want to do that.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: But um but inflection point six, it's IPFX.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: People could buy the stock today if they wanted to.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then uh we're gonna be we're gonna be merging with them, and and then whoever buys inflection point six, actually, which is IPFX, they would actually own quantum space once we're merged.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_03: And and Jim, quantum, I mean, it it's in in Maryland and California.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: And what do they do at those different locations?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: And what what are we gonna do here?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great question.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: So uh in Maryland is kind of where we got started.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's where the founder is, Cam Gaferian.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he has started many successful space companies, um, one of which he has taken public, and he's also started energy companies, uh, another one of which he has taken public, uh, X Energy recently went public, and before that um it was Intuitive Machines, which is a space company that went public.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um so he has taken a number of companies public already.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a great track record of success.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um and the headquarters right now for uh for quantum space is in his the building that is his family office.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's where we got started.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and Cam Gafarian is just an amazing individual, an amazing guy for the United States of America in general.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and so um then Quantum Space purchased a company called Phase Four out in Los Angeles, California, that had a nice facility.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they've been upgrading that facility a little bit as well.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: So those two, why are those two locations important?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um when you think about Rockville, Maryland, that's not very far from the Pentagon, and the Pentagon is one of our big customers.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then when you think about Hawthorne, California, which is right next to Los Angeles, uh the big customer there is Space Systems Command.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: They do all of the purchasing for the Space Force.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: So it's good to have a location near both of those areas, and they're both customers of ours.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: The challenge that we have going forward is volume production.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Volume production requires a lot of land, it requires a lot of people, it requires a lot of product.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: And um when you're doing things at scale, those locations are very expensive.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so when we think about how we're gonna grow this company, and and by the way, we have the greatest career tech of any state in the union.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: So that we're able to produce the talent uh that that is gonna build our satellites and the production facilities.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think you know growing a massive production facility like we're gonna need, growing that in in Rockville, Maryland or or Southern California is far more expensive than doing it in in the great state of Oklahoma.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be clear.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we're not giving up those locations, and those locations are important to us.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it's also true that that volume production uh can be done a lot less expensive here in Oklahoma.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Give our viewers uh just an idea of what the need is for all the satellite business.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you know, we we think of payloads and those kind of things, but uh give us an idea where this world is going.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so the you know, when I was on the Armed Services Committee, Subcommittee on Strategic Forces, we recognized pretty quickly that our adversaries, or I should say our competitors, hopefully we don't become adversaries, uh, but our competitors were launching anti-satellite missiles, co-orbital anti-satellite satellites.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: So think of a satellite designed to kill other satellites.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: In those days, we had multi- and by the way, we still do, multi-billion dollar satellites in geostationary orbit that um, you know, if if you're launching a$500 million missile to take down a$2 billion satellite, those economies of force are not in our favor.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that$2 billion satellite, if it goes away, it has a direct impact on our ability to prosecute a war.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: So it was in our interest in those days to figure out how to complicate the targeting solution for the enemy, how to change the economies of force.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of building dozens of multi-billion dollar satellites that are easy targets, we decided we're gonna build thousands of$50 million satellites.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna take them out of geostationary orbit down to low Earth orbit, which is a lot harder to target, and we're gonna network them together.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then when the adversary launches a$500 million missile to take down a$50 million satellite, the economies of force are in our favor, and it has no impact on the outcome of the war.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it changes the economies of force.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: We call it deterrent by denial.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like they they can they can take the shot if they want.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: It won't have an outcome on the imp the impact won't make a difference in the war.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and so those were those are some of the things that we were working on at the time.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: We called it resilience.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: We're building resilience into the architecture.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: And at the same time, we also created this new idea called a space corps at the time.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: The space corps reported to the Secretary of the Air Force, just like the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: So uh of course, when when I became the NASA administrator, President Trump was intent on not just creating the Space Force Corps, but calling it a Space Force because it had to sound cool.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, who am I to argue with that?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Make it sound cool.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: And and and he did.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And um and he became the champion of it.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um and we passed it, just so you guys are aware.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: We passed the creation of the Space Corps in the House of Representatives with 344 bipartisan votes.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was unanimous in the Strategic Forces subcommittee.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was almost unanimous on the full Armed Services Committee.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think we lost two votes out of 65.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then it went to the full floor of the House and we got 344 bipartisan votes.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: It went to the that shows you just like the people who are in the no, they know that we needed to do this.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um it went to the it went to the Senate, um, and the it's interesting.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: The Air Force doesn't lobby.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they don't lobby, but they educate.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: And they educated our senators that they didn't need to do this.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um of course, that uh was really frustrating for me because I my point was the Air Force isn't spending the money on the space domain to be competitive in a in a global theater uh of war.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And um so I was very frustrated by that.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's no different than after World War.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, leading up to World War II, battleships were basically obsolete, but it wasn't until Japan just destroyed them all that people recognized the fact we don't need to build more battleships.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: We need aircraft carriers.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're all in this country, we're always building for the last war, not for the next war.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I was frustrated because it seemed like that's what we were doing.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um and of course, the program of record is this um never, it's a never-ending bureaucracy that you can never fix because every congressman and every senator has constituents in their districts that are are on those programs.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, they have lobbyists and they fund campaigns.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't ever change a program of record, and it's very frustrating.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: In my view, we had to have a new military service that did things differently, that would look at look at the problems differently, and that's what the Space Corps was.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: President Trump heard about it when I first got elected.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was first confirmed to be the NASA administrator.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: President Trump brought me into the Oval Office and he was like, now you're for the Space Force, right?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I explained to him that it's called the Space Corps because it reports to the Secretary of the Air Force, like the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll just say it didn't matter.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, it needs to sound cool.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the American people need to get behind it.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to get behind a space corps because nobody knows what that is.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: They'll get behind a space force.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Sir, if if you want to call it Space Force, all I just want to make sure it gets done.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's go do this.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, he was right.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: People were enthusiastic about a space force.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: I called Mike Rogers that afternoon, who was the chairman of the full armed services committee, and I explained to him hey, if if you if you call it a space force, President Trump will be behind it.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, well, it's called a Space Corps because it reports the Secretary of the Air Force.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, Mike, I've been there, I've done that, it doesn't work, just call it the Space Force and we'll move on.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: And he did.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: And and and I think everybody now understands the importance of it.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: Uh obviously it's bipartisan.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Republicans and Democrats are all behind it.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it doubled under President Biden after President Trump created it, uh, and now President Trump is doubling it again.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it's an important capability, and in my view, the state of Oklahoma and the city of Tulsa need to align behind it.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Jim, bringing it back to Tulsa, you know, with these investments in space, what do you think Tulsa will look like in 10 years?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think you know, 10 years from now, if we're producing a couple hundred satellites a year, that's what we should be trying to achieve.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to remember, you know, if we think about the economies of force, remember I said we're we're building$50 million satellites and we're building thousands of them and we're networking them together, pulling them down to low Earth orbit, complicating the targeting solution for the enemy, and changing the economies of force.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Those are all things that we we have done now, and we continue to do, and it's all very important.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's also true that as we have shifted, our adversaries have shifted as well.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: So now they're they've changed the economies of force again.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're proliferating technologies that are less expensive, that can that can do damage or make our systems ineffective.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: For example, jamming technologies, spoofing technologies, uh dazzling technologies, so using laser energy to confuse a satellite, or directed energy to kill a satellite.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: These are all far less expensive and could do damage.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so that they have once again, everybody's always shifting, they have shifted the economies of force back into their favor.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: So what we have to do is we have to shift again.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: And our next shift, of course, is going to be basically we need to take all these activities in low Earth orbit.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want them to go away.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: We want to continue that.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: But we also need to get to higher earth orbits with what we call sustained maneuver for dynamic space operations.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: And this is why agile space industries and quantum space, these are what our, this is what we're trying to achieve.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Basically dynamic space operations.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: That means we need satellites that can get to higher energy orbits, like medium Earth orbit, geostationary orbit, and even what we call cislunar space, which is the area of space where the Earth's gravity well and the moon's gravity well both interact on a satellite.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: And that gives you all kinds of very interesting orbital dynamics that enable you to do very interesting things that you can't do when you don't go that far out.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I can get into that if you're interested.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: But the bottom line is we have to get, we have to get to these other orbits.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: That means we need more energy.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: More energy means more fuel in orbit.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's what quantum space, my company, that's what we're all about.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: We're all about building satellites with the most energy, the highest performing satellites that you can possibly imagine.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we're building.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's about getting to those higher energy orbits.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then once you're in those higher energy orbits, being able to sustain maneuver for dynamic space operations.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we need to have, once we get there, we need to have fuel, we need the ability to refuel, and we need to have different and unique types of propulsion so we can maneuver without regret.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um So I'll summarize it like this.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is how uh General Shaw, who was the deputy commander of U.S.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Space Command, summarized it.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: He said, imagine buying a$250,000 recreational vehicle, a camper, for$250,000, and you get one tank of gas and you have to make it last for eight years.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's how we build satellites today.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: What quantum space is doing is we're trying to disrupt that, and we are disrupting it, by saying we're gonna build our satellite to last for eight years, but it's gonna be refuelable, and we're gonna be able to burn that fuel and then come back and get a drink of gas and burn it again.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that's gonna give us an ability to uh stay ahead of our adversaries and get the intel we need and be protected.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: Got that?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: This is fascinating stuff.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: I told him, hang on.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be good.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I'm on a spaceship right now.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh I'm just excited for the technology and the investment in this in this part of the world.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh when I'm at the Chamber of Commerce meetings giving some information on what's going on in the county, I make a point to talk about these satellites and what you're doing and Cam's Cam's investment here because you know they have no idea what is happening in North Tulsa County or right at the airport or this whole region.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it it's opportunities for these kids and to to go in space.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_03: I meant to get into an industry that's involved in space technology that never really has been there, not not to this level.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_03: And it's sounds like it's not going to do nothing but continue to grow.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: I love, Commissioner, when when you say uh that this like makes you think back to you know W.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: G.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Skelly and Spartan, which at the time was an aircraft company.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like if we if W.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: G.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Skelly, John Paul Getty, Waite Phillips, Frank Phillips, all these guys supported aviation because they wanted to sell more oil.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: But they saw a they saw a future where aviation could be normalized at a time when it was all barnstormers and daredevils.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: And um, but they they saw it and they moved out.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what you're hitting on here is if we do the same thing today, if we can see that future, which I think is really clear, if we can see that future and we align ourselves with it today, a hundred years from now, people are gonna look back and say, dang, those guys, you know, in 2026, they they really saw what the future was gonna be and they moved out to make it good for the city of Tulsa.
• 31:39
  unknown: Wow.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Given these opportunities to help incentivize companies like this, uh, you know, we're very fortunate that we're able to do that.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: And uh I think Jim and and his whole team, it's it's it's it's a very big deal.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: You know, in the vision with Mike Neal at the Tulsa Chamber, uh Mike had said that you know they've been trying to get through those doors for a decade, you know, and and now when they have these trade shows that satellite and whatever else they're selling, uh Tulsa's right at the top of the list in discussion.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: So we're very fortunate.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh a lot of hard work there.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: But uh we've got the history uh in in aerospace and aviation, and uh and now we're on the map, and companies like this is making this a reality to a lot of a lot of corporations all over the world looking at Tulso Plummen.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well I love like you said earlier, the job forces here.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: You've got so many kids who are growing up and they may go to Tulsa Tech and these other schools, and you know, those are future jobs who can work in these companies as we continue to grow in this region.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and those like they're high-paying jobs.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like um not everybody needs to go to get a four-year engineering degree.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because the the you know, if if if you're a a young person out there and you like to build cars, there's a job for you in space.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, there are there's certainly engineering degrees as well that that that are employable for sure.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: But um but we need what we're gonna need are a lot of folks that know how to work with their hands, know how to build things, know how to do friction stir welding, know how to do 3D printing and uh know how to use a lathe, like all those types of things that um, you know, a satellite is still it's still just a you know, it's still 8,000 components that have to be put together, you know, and you gotta somebody has to fabricate all of that stuff.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: And um and w we want to be able to do that and do that at scale and do it here in Tulsa.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the workforce here is capable.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I appreciate you uh sitting down and talking about all these amazing things.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we have gone 35 minutes.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we probably go for another hour if you want.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I do appreciate you taking time to visit with the commissioner and I and explain what all is happening.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's just a really amazing thing that Oklahoma has this.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: The future is bright for sure.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell Well, Commissioner Salee, I just appreciate your leadership on this.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate your willingness to you know take the phone call and listen to this crazy idea about space and the future of of Tulsa County and and the city of Tulsa.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and you've really uh you've really stepped up and and moved the needle.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we appreciate you very much.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: Well, my my colleagues, Commissioner Sands, Commissioner Dunkley, we're we're all about economic development wherever it lies in the county.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's not about a district, but uh this is an industry that uh this is a tremendous opportunity for for our our state and and our city and our region.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: And uh it takes a lot of money, big investment.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: And uh Cam and his group, we can't thank them enough.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'm r I'm sure there's a reason why Cam selected Tulsa.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: You had a little bit to do with that, and uh we're we're so glad you're here because you could be anywhere in the country doing this.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Cam, uh first of all, Cam's been a good friend for a long time.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: He like I said, he's created many space companies.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um he you know, he is he has a company that's building space stations to replace the International Space Station.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: He has a company that is, you know, building spacesuits.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: The next time you see astronauts walking on the moon, American astronauts, um, they're gonna be wearing Prada on their spacesuits, because those spacesuits are commercial in nature.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: So the the key is how do you increase access to space, increase access to the moon, but at the same time drive down the cost to the American taxpayer.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you do that with commercial investment.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: You do that by bringing in private capital, partnering with commercial industry to do unique things that historically, you know, when when space was just the purview of governments, you couldn't do.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was a zero-sum game.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: And now we're bringing players to the table for all kinds of unique capabilities, and quantum space is gonna have its own things that we're gonna announce in the not too distant future.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I hope people stay tuned to that.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um we we also have Moon, he has a he created another company that uh is landing things on the moon now.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um not humans yet, but they're landing things on the moon for the Artemis program and putting things in orbit around the moon for the Artemis program.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um and this is really the first major effort from the ground up to be a national security space company that Cam has done.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, he he asked me to be the CEO of it.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh he's asked me to be the CEO of a lot of companies throughout the years of but I've always told him no.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um and finally he was like, Well, what do we need to do to get to get you to be the CEO of quantum space?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and I said, Well, it's just not gonna happen.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, Well, why not?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Well, I live in Tulsa, my wife and kids are in Tulsa, my kids are in school, and you know, that's where we're gonna be.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, Well, he's like, the we're growing and we've got to manufacture somewhere.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: We can manufacture in Tulsa.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and of course, then uh that kind of set in motion all these other things.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the reality is it's true.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: We have unique capability here in Tulsa that separates us from so many other places in the United States because of the career tech system, because of the oil and gas industry.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: When you think of a rocket thruster, I mean, it's really it's about flows of fluids, it's about valves, it's about filters, it's about pressure systems and piping and like it's it's all the same stuff in a rocket.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: So people who can build that kind of stuff in oil and gas are naturally inclined to the rocket industry.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: I know that doesn't sound right, but it's actually very accurate.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um so the oil and gas industry and the aviation industry, the idea that these certifications for aviation actually apply almost directly to space.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we have everything we need to be successful here in Tulsa.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: And um, once I showed that to Cam, he was like, okay, well, we're gonna do that.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, we made the announcement just uh about a month later.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but our our workforce is tremendous.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_03: And another example just recently, not in aerospace, but uh GreenHack, a manufacturing company, similar to Aeon.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh they've from 2017 they built eight facilities here in in the near the Tulsa Was area over 700 employees.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: They had an opportunity to where they were going to expand to another state and found out about the Macy's building.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_03: And uh it took a little bit, but due to Governor Stitt and working a deal out with him, uh we landed them, and it's it's gonna be up to a thousand jobs over ten years.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_03: And and it's it's a machinist, it's uh fabricators, uh, you know.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and they said for for every job they put out there, they get over a hundred applicants for that position.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: So and and that story can be told again and again of different companies that are staying here, relocating here, even now in into the data center facility.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: Switchgear, Caruso just uh opened up their facility, 400 jobs.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: And so I mean industry manufacturing is uh a strong part of our environment here, and we should embrace it and uh and uh celebrate it because uh it's uh now going to space.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: We we were looking for a chief legal officer.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: Just a quick story.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I was stunned.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you think about a space company, you think every engineer wants to be a part of it, and they do.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: But we opened up a chief legal officer position, and within weeks we had 250 applications for one position.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, and these were not, these were like chief legal officers of Fortune 500 companies, a good number of them.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, these were these were not like um and people that were willing to say, yeah, I'll move to Oklahoma.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: They just had this thirst to be involved in space.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because as a lawyer, I guess you don't get a lot of those opportunities.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I was I was kind of surprised by that.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um and we we had our pick of of a lot of different really good lawyers.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh but not I mean, there's a lot a lot of really good applications that we had to turn down, which was kind of like I'm like we don't get access to this kind of this kind of talent pool usually.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Tough turning them down.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it really is.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, I should start a law firm with all these yeah, anyway, sorry.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, I was gonna end with a short story as well, um, just because it just seems very um pertinent.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um I have a five-year-old daughter named Charlie, and um we started going outside at night to look at the moon.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of the stage of life that I'm in.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's just kind of funny to talk to you and then all that you've done with space.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: And she and I live in our you know little neighborhood and we stare up the sky every night.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just every she reminds me now.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: If I forget one night, Daddy, you have to go look at the moon.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: So how cool is it to talk to you?
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um That's great.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's a pleasure.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's a pleasure.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Tell her I said hello.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: I will.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and and that note, Jim, thanks.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Anything we want to add at the end?
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Any closing words?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just uh thrilled to thrilled to be partnering with the county of Tulsa on on these amazing projects and look forward to working together for years in the future.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thank you, Jim.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: Same here.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: And we're excited for you and your the company and uh all the great things it's gonna bring to Tulsa.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, awesome.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, for those watching this uh awesome episode, we will see you next time on the County Line Podcast.