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Cards Drop Series To Giants, Libby’s Bounce Back, Catching Situation · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: The boys are all together again. Kyle Gibson, Lance Lynn,
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: as we set off on a brand new edition. I
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: got to tell you this. I'm in a guest room
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: on a crappy pullout sofa. You, Kyle, have wood paneling
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: behind you. And Lance has artwork. He's in a throne.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: You look like you're the king, Lance.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's clearly a difference.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: Well, all my family's out of the house, so I
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: am the king right now. So that's why I can
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: use the office the way it's supposed to be used.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: If not, I'm in a corner somewhere in the basement
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: trying to make sure we don't get interrupted.
• 0:50
  Speaker 3: Jim, that looks like a great couch, though.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: No, that's crappy pull-out for guests. Have you ever had to.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: Sleep on that couch? Have you ever had to sleep
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: on that couch?
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, one time.
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: That's a yes.
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: We have a little housekeeping to take care of before
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: we get into the show. One of the panel was
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: late because they were making one egg.
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: That was you, Kyle.
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: What the hell is going on?
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: You were late.
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: Who makes one egg?
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: One egg.
• 1:22
  Speaker 3: All right, so since you're going to ask, you know what?
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: I'll just throw this right back at you, all right?
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:29
  Speaker 3: My wife likes her eggs cooked where you just fry
• 1:33
  Speaker 3: them in the pan. You break the yolk so that
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: it's not, you know, over easy or over medium. And
• 1:39
  Speaker 3: I do one at a time so that they don't
• 1:40
  Speaker 3: scramble in the pan. So pushing up against the time window,
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: I had one of them done. And then I was
• 1:47
  Speaker 3: dropping the other one in the pan. Just took three
• 1:49
  Speaker 3: or four minutes. You guys think I'm late because of
• 1:51
  Speaker 3: one egg. No, like late because I couldn't get into
• 1:55
  Speaker 3: the system here, you know. I mean, geez, logging into
• 1:59
  Speaker 3: the internet here.
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: So you cook two eggs one at a time.
• 2:06
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: In this instance, yes. Two perfectionists. Yeah, you're a perfectionist.
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: I get it. It makes sense.
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:14
  Speaker 3: But just cook a little brunch for my wife, Jim.
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: So yeah, go ahead.
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: I told Jim before you got on, it's because your
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: slender build is why you eat one egg.
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: And I think the exact words were, well, he's built
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: like a pogo stick, so that's why he eats one egg.
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Listen. There we go. We're ready. Game on.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: My father, Richard Hayes, great man, used to tell me,
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: if you're always early, you're never late.
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to leave it at that. Let's talk Cardinals baseball.
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: An off day today. They lost to the Giants again yesterday, 6-5-10.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: Just want to get this out there on the seventh inning.
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: The Giants committed two errors. They walked two and hit
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: a batter. And the Cardinals were only able to muster
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: two runs, two gift runs, without getting a hit. And
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: in the end of the game, and Lance and I
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: talked about this in the last episode, Riley O'Brien gave
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: it up again, took the loss. So I'm going to
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: revisit this. Kyle, we'll get your take.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: Lance, rethink it.
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: Because after the game, Ali Marmel said, look, it's his
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: first year. As a closer, Lance touched on this, there's
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: going to be an adjustment period, but he's not a kid.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: He's 31 years old. So my question is, is there
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: a point as a closer, as a starting pitcher, where
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: the results are bad and the same thing keeps happening,
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: where psychologically you're going to damage the psyche? if you
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: keep doing the same thing and the results aren't different.
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: That's my question.
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I think if you were
• 3:53
  Speaker 3: dealing with a guy that had just been called up, then,
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: excuse me, then, you know, maybe, but you're dealing with
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: a guy who, who has a few years under his belt.
• 4:02
  Speaker 3: He hasn't had any issues all year. He's had a
• 4:05
  Speaker 3: couple of blow up innings here and there, you know,
• 4:08
  Speaker 3: a few blown saves, but, For the most part, he's
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: been really, really good. I don't remember if he's still
• 4:14
  Speaker 3: leading the NL in saves, but he's a guy that
• 4:17
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals have leaned on all year long to handle
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: that ninth inning. So I think it's probably, in my mind,
• 4:23
  Speaker 3: just a little bit of end of the year, maybe
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit less adrenaline here and there.
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: It is interesting.
• 4:31
  Speaker 3: Really hot here in st louis um that's not an
• 4:34
  Speaker 3: excuse but i'm just saying like when you have less
• 4:37
  Speaker 3: adrenaline less energy you're not quite as fresh that stuff
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: gets you a little bit more so um you know
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: what i understand as you see on the screen here
• 4:45
  Speaker 3: his last 10 he hasn't been good um but you
• 4:48
  Speaker 3: factor in uh before that i mean he was in
• 4:51
  Speaker 3: a low three era and leading the nl and safe
• 4:54
  Speaker 3: so um it's been a bad stretch and For the
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: most part, unless your name is Mason Miller, Josh Hader,
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: or Yohan Duran, you go through these periods as a closer.
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: 37 saves, all-star appearance, tip of the cap to Riley
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: because most of the work has been really good. But
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you, Lance, with what he's seen,
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: now look, we're headed to the offseason, right? Could be
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: a long one if there's a lockout. But, you know,
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals understand where they are right now. Play out
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: the string, see what you have. But do you think
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: as they gather in the off season, they look at
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: Riley that he will be penciled into closer the closer spot?
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: Cause Lance, you.
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: Pointed out maybe the best way to handle this is
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: maybe get another like real leverage guy in there and
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: take some of the pressure off.
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you look at when he was great
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: this year, he had Jojo with him too. Right? So
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: I think all in all, if you're going to be a,
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: like locked down back in bullpen team, you need multiple
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: high leverage guys. And he's shown that he can close
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: and he's shown that he can do it at a
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: high clip throughout the year. I think all in all,
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: he might be like a little bit burnt right now
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: at the end of the year, which comes with your
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: first year doing it without having any other help since
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: the trade deadline. All those things kind of come together
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: at the end of the year right here. So I
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: think for the Cardinals, for him, It's the best time
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: to have this happen in a weird way because it's
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: finishing the season and you have to let him finish
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: this season because it's been so good. Try to get
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: him to 40 saves because that's a big number. I
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: think all in all, he's had a great year. As
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: a closer, as a reliever, your numbers get a little
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: crazy ERA wise because of, you know, one or two,
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: you know, really bad games. But he has the numbers.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: He has the stuff. You know, could we, you know,
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: want a little bit more? Yeah, but if you were
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: to sit here to start the year and say, Riley
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: O'Brien had 40 saves last year or this season, you're
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: going to be like, shit, that's awesome. So that's where
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: we're at. And that's my motto on it. Hopefully his
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: brain looks at it that way. He's been through so
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: much already just to get to this point. Mentally, yes,
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: bad stretches suck and they beat on you. But if
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: you can get him to 40 saves, And you look
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: up at the end of the year and he can go, man,
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: I got 40 saves last year. Mentally, he's going to
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: be fine next year. There's no other way to say it.
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: And the other thing is here, we talk about limiting
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: innings quite a bit, right? But we only talk about
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: it with starters. Why is it that we never talk
• 7:38
  Speaker 3: about relievers, right? Riley O'Brien last year, he had in
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: the big leagues 42 games and 48 innings. If we
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: just go off percentages, he's now at 62 innings and
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: 64 games. That's not quite 50% more, but, I mean, 40%,
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: if I'm going to do quick math here, that's like
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: taking a starter from 100 innings to 140 innings. I mean,
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: that probably would be within the realm of reasonable. So,
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's jumping up in games. He's jumping up
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: in innings. In the year before, he was at eight games.
• 8:11
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: So he's made a couple of big jumps here. And
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: I think let's keep that into consideration here when we're dissecting,
• 8:18
  Speaker 3: you know, his seven or eight worst outings. And one
• 8:20
  Speaker 3: thing that I did not realize probably had a little
• 8:23
  Speaker 3: bit recency bias. I didn't realize he'd only given.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: Up five homers.
• 8:27
  Speaker 3: And most of these homers have been within the last
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: two weeks. So he's kept the ball in the ballpark. Yeah,
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: his walks a little bit high for a closer, you
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: might say, but he's done a really good job overall.
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: So definitely a hat tip. Like you said, Jim, he's
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: had a great year.
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: And remember this, he's never been a back-end leverage guy either,
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: like a true closer in the big leagues. With the
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: 20 innings increase, that even puts more pressure and more
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: on those innings than you can quantify in anything that
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: you can do. So I'm proud of him. And I
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: think he's had a great year. And I don't care
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: what it looks like at the end. He's had a
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: great year. As long as he's healthy when he's walking
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: into spring training next year, they're in a good spot.
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: Leverage innings are different than regular innings. No question about it.
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: They make you gray fast.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. If there was another name for
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: this show, Cardinal Territory, it might be Libby Territory, because
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: we all like Libby, right? But it's been a rough one, right?
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: He's lost eight straight decisions. Hasn't won a game since July.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: I'm being honest about it. Yesterday, he was really good.
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: Didn't involve in the decision, but Libby was Libby. A
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: few walks in there, he said after the game, I
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: just wasn't falling behind in counts. But For Libby to
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: have a strong finish, how important is that.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: For him, Kyle?
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: I think it's important, you know, just for his mindset
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: going into the offseason. You know, he's battled a lot
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: of unmet expectations and a lot of outside noise talking about,
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: you know, why is he still in the rotation? Why
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: are we giving the guy innings? He's not who we
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: want him to be. He's had to battle a lot
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: of that. So I think having, you know, whatever, how
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: many starts he has, or I guess it's just going
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: to be, you know, one, maybe two, you know, having
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: a good A couple here at the end would be
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: really big for him. You know, he might be able
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: to get to 160 innings here, 162, and that's a
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: good number as well for a starter. So the wins
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: and losses, yeah, you know, it's tough. But he's also,
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: you know, we've talked about it quite a few times.
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: He's got a lot of starts where he gave up
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: zero or one runs, one run, and didn't get anything
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: to show for it. So for his offseason, it'd be
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: really good to have three in a row and finish strong.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: Lance, what about you? Ever have a season that didn't
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: go the way you wanted, but you finished strong? Or
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: maybe you had a good one where you had a
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: rough end of it? Because then you've got to sit
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: on it for the offseason. Or is that not really
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: even something you're thinking about?
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: Well, they can all go with you in a different
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: way coming offseason. I think for him in general, if
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: he can finish the year on a high note, that's
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: huge for any young a starter or a guy that
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: you're like going into arbitration and, and certain things, there's
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of different factors that will be a positive.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: If he finishes the year strong, it has, you know,
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: multiple good starts to finish and has, has, has some
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: things to hang his hat on this off season. I
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: think in general, if you look at him as a
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: whole and he looks at his season as a whole
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: and can break it down, are you looking at how
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: can I figure out how to, you know, maybe it
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: was a third of his starts. Kyle, we got to
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: figure out what went wrong, right? And then if you
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: look at the 20 or so starts that went right, okay,
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: why'd they go right? So there's a lot of positives
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: that we can take from his season if we really
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: break it down the way that you should. So moving forward,
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: I think he's fine. I think there's some fine tuning.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: There's some pitch mixing. There's some, you know, game planning,
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: just overall demeanor that, that can be, you know, changed
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit to make those 10 starts go in
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: a different direction. And it turns into five starts, right?
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: And then you look up and it's a, it's a four,
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: one ERA instead of a five, five, six, three. And
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: when you do that, that's when your, your, your win
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: losses go to five and 14 to 12 and eight.
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: And next thing you know, If you just did that
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: right there, that's five starts. We're talking about five starts
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: right now. If we just did that, we're talking about
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: him having a really good year. Or a real productive year.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: So I think that everything can be misleading. Your bad
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: ones can be so bad that it can screw you
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: in every other category that you're looking at. But if
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: we break it down to what he's done, he's done
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: what he's needed to. Now, next year is going to
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: be the real... what can we learn from this to
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: make that huge jump next year, a la a Palante
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: that's happened this year. And that's where he's at. And
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: I think I would love to see his numbers right
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: now to Palante's last year, to be honest, because I
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: think I would be shocked if they're not in the
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: same ballpark, except Libby gets more, more case per nine,
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: which means he's got in their mind, more of a
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: chance to be even more elite and make the, the
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: jump that they hope that he makes.
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting here. It's interesting here. If we look
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: since the All-Star break, this number surprised me. I think
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: as a whole, Cardinals fans would say, man, I mean,
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: Libby's had three good starts this second half. You know,
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: it's been really tough. He's had four starts where he's
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: given up five runs or more.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Earned.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: And no other start, he gave up more than three.
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: So four of his 11 starts, he got five runs.
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Seven of his 11, it was three or less. And
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: quite a few of those were one, two, or zero.
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: So I think it's just been an instance here where
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: if Libby can figure out how to limit some damage
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: and how to keep that big inning that's four runs
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: down to two, that's going to be a big deal
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: for him. And some of it, I think, could.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: Be the walks.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: You know, I'd say there's probably a few more walks
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: that he'd want to have for a guy that pounds
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: a strike zone and, like he said, gets ahead of guys.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: And I know that's something that Dustin and these guys
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: talk a lot about. So probably start there. And then
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: I think it comes down to, in those big situations,
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: how can I figure out how to execute pitches a
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: little bit better?
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, tunneling.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, sequencing.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Very important.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: But how can I just execute this pips that's going
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: to get me out of this inning and keep this
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: from being four runs and keep it to one or two?
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Good point.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Time for a quick break. Time enough to make one egg.
• 14:50
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• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. So you guys are right. If you're talking
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: about where Libby is this year compared to Palante last year,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: and look at the season Palante's putting together. I think
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: that was your point, but, uh, Kyle, the numbers are
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: right there, right? They're very similar. Palante had a rough
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: year last year, turned around this year.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, when we look at innings, ERA, walks, whip,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: it's pretty similar. You know, like Lance said, Palante doesn't
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: have the strikeouts per nine, but his ground ball rate
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: is insane. So, you know, that's probably why the ERA
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: stays pretty similar. He's able to erase some of these
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: walks and he keeps the ball in the yard. I
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: don't remember what Libby's home runs were, but Yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: 27 to 21. There you go.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, so, so there's where, you know, the lack
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: of strikeouts can kind of be evened up pretty crazy.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: And I think it's definitely within the realm to think that,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: you know, Libby can come back next year and have
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: a solid year and it'd be looking just like Palante
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Leo. You're welcome.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: That was just off the top of my head. That
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: was just off the top of my head. Thank you.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: That's pretty spot on. You're welcome.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I, by the way, I love the flowers
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: behind you and the artwork. You decorated that office beautifully.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: My wife's good. Leo Bernal just keeps impressing. Yesterday, ninth inning,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: game on the line, two outs, two strikes, singles home,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: two runs to tie it. I just think the more
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you see this guy, the more impressed you are because
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: he doesn't look like a young guy getting his first
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: taste of big league baseball. We've seen guys start fast,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: have good offensive numbers, But he's ticking all the boxes defensively,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and he's calm, which I appreciate. So, Kyle, what do
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: you think the Cardinals have in Leo Bernal?
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: You know, when the situation happened with the hat going
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: sideways and Doug Eddings and everything like that, Leo Bernal's
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: reaction was, I feel like should tell us a lot, right?
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: He's a rookie as well, very new into his career.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: And he's laughing at Doug Eddings. Like, is this really
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: what's going on right now? I mean, I think he
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: just has that calm demeanor about him and he's having fun.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: And I feel like some catchers would have been like
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: straight face, like, oh man, the umpires, what's going on?
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: You know, you would see a little bit in their
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: eyes of, you know, very caught off guard. I think
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Bernal's out there playing the game that he's been playing
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: his whole life, and he's having fun doing it. And
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I think we've got a guy here that has a
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: chance to be pretty special.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: And we talked, he's Yachty endorsed. He's Yachty endorsed.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: That's huge. I mean, it really is. And we talked
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: about Yachty's standing around watching his post-game interviews and everything
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: that he's going. So I think, like you said, Kyle,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: you know, and the good thing is he laughs at clowns.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: when they do clown things. So he's got a good
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: sense of humor. It seems like, so those are always
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: fun people to play with and stuff like that too.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: So when the, when the, when the, when the energy and,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and the production are all there, it's always something exciting
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: looking forward to. So I'm really looking forward to his
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: future and what, what he, what he's got to bring
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: to the table.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So we've talked about the Cardinals, just numerous prospects behind
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the plate. I want to do, a segment to appreciate
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Pedro Pajas, who's a solid catcher, right? He's never going
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: to hit 300. He's never going to hit 30 home runs.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: But you talk to the Cardinal pitching staff. They love
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the work he does behind the plate. They love his preparation.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: He has a solid arm. Kyle, can we appreciate Pedro
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Pajas on this?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Podcast, please?
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought him up. Pedro is one of
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: my favorite guys I throw to. He understands the game
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: plan and he understood it from a young age. And,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: you know, I think we could probably take this graphic
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: right here and turn it into defensive stuff, and I
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: think we would understand exactly what he brings to this
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: ball club and why the coaching staff loves having him
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: back there. I don't think I realized in a few
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: years ago, whenever they expanded rosters a little bit and
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: gave 26– I don't know that you would see three
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: catchers on a roster without that. I kind of thought
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it was going to be another position player for infield, outfield,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: for base running, for bat off the bench. I would guess,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: not sure here, just off the cuff, I wonder how
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: many teams are carrying three catchers and allowing one guy
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: to DH a little bit more and having this situation
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: like the Cardinals have. Because I think it's been helpful
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: for Pedro, and I think it's been helpful for those
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: pitching staff.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Kyle, Lance, what do you think of Pedro Pajas, a
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: guy who doesn't– look, the truth is around Major League Baseball,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: baseball is littered with catchers that don't hit their weight.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, because a catcher that can
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: handle pitchers and play solidly defensively is really worth his
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: weight in gold. Two weight analogies.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Here's the reason why they say, because some of the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: guys who cannot hit their weight are the best guys
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: to throw to. There's really no other way to say it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: And it's such a demanding position that that's why it's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: so hard to find someone that can hit and do
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: everything the way that let's say Yachty did. And Yachty
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: grew into that when Yachty first came up, you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: he wasn't a 265 hitter. He figured out how to
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: do that as time went on and learned and figure
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: out his way and Pedro has those same qualities of
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: catch and throw, work with the pitchers, do all those things.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So he has that aspect. As time goes on, you
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: never know what hitting does. Next year it could be 220.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Then it could be 240. Then it could be, hey,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: he's a 250 hitter and he makes the big hit
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and does the things he needs to. But he has
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: those qualities, so that's why I love him. Will he
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: get those opportunities? You just don't know here moving forward
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: because they have such great catching depth. But he's so
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: good behind the plate and so good late in games
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: when you need to bring him in that he is
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: such a great guy to have on your roster. And
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: when you have offensive-minded catchers that want to DH a
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: little bit more, get the opportunity to DH a little more,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: he's huge to have as a part of your team.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: So I love him. Kyle knows that. You know that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: He was great to throw to when I had him.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: We had a great time. He thought I was absolutely
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: a joy to catch. So I love that, too. We
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: had so much fun.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: He reminds me of Bobby Wilson. It's, it's a Bobby
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Wilson type catcher, big league, Bob. Um, just you get
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: them behind the plate and he is the best there is.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: He understands the game plan. And if he goes out
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: there and gets his, gets a knock every couple of games,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: he's done what he wants to do. If he goes
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: out and puts up a shutout, he's the happiest guy
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: on the team. Um, Big League Bobby Wilson. Good comp
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: right there, I think.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: The best thing is when Bobby Wilson's ice in his
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: fingers after a game, you know it was a good game, baby.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Those were hot today.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Andrew Kisner, who had three hits yesterday
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: for the Giants, one of those guys, he came into
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the game, and he might be better now with three hits.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: He was hitting 160-something. And he bounced around because he's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a solid receiver. And those guys are hard to find.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Kyle. You have a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Ouija board there, maybe a crystal ball to look into
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the future. But the Cardinals, they have a glut of prospects, right?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Because you got Crooks, right? Raniel Rodriguez is down there. Obviously,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Bernal looks like the front row. You still have Pahez.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Then you have Herrera, who's a catcher, DH hybrid. How
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: do you think the Cardinals handle all this? Because if
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: they're not going to find space for all those guys,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: which is impossible, you got to deal something.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Probably depends a lot on how they feel about Bernal
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: catching 130, 140 games back there, especially with his defensive
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: ability and just how elite it sounds like it is.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I still think having Yvonne catch games is important for
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the lineup and how it's structured. I still think, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: there's going to be days where Burley needs to get
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: off his feet and he needs to DH. I see
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: a real possibility here where Yvonne is doing some first
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: base and we work on that to have those guys
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: in the lineup together as much as possible and And
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: then I think you could end up with a three-way
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: DH first base catcher spot here with Bernal Herrera and Burley.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: And I think that's a really good setup offensively and defensively.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Burley doesn't get the credit at first base he deserves.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: And I think Yvonne, with his blocking ability and his
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: glove skills, I think he can go to first base
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: and work around that bag and not lose a whole
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: lot to... for the number of games he would be there.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: So that's how I would work with it going forward.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: And I love Pedro. Who knows what his future is
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: with the Cardinals? Obviously, the Cardinals have a lot of
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: catching depth in their system, and you just can't hold
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: on to it. So you either use the guys who
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: are in the minor leagues to get you a player
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: that's going to make your team better, or you have
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: to start cycling through some of these guys that you
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: don't think are going to stick with the big leagues
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Burley's going to win a gold glove at some point.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Lance, what do you think?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: The Cardinals might do with their, with their numerous catchers?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I will say catching current currency in the prospect realm
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: can usually land you something that you need when it's
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: time to go for it. So when they trade away
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: some catching currency, then they think it's, they're making their move.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: So I think that would be what I'll wait and
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: see on. And I think that's, well, that will, by
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: that time we'll know who we, who's our guy, who's our,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: or two guys, and then who's our depth piece or
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: our third catcher. So I think when the time comes
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: where one of those or two of those guys get
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: dealt in a package for a big league difference maker,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: that's when that will happen. But until then, they're not
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: going to lose that currency because that currency's got a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: good value.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Something similar to the Kybert Ruiz from the Dodgers to
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the Nationals and the Scherzer-Trey Turner trade. He was the
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: main part of that trade if you're the Nationals.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Looking at it. Good point. Catching currency. New way, baby.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I like that. Get you what you need when it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: time to go.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Yep. Controllable young talent is the best currency in Major
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: League Baseball outside of owning a team. For a rebuild.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: For a rebuild, yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: But if you're an owner, you have a lot of currency.
• 27:20
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• 27:22
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• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So something I didn't get to at the top of
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the program because we had egg talk. But I did
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: want to mention that this podcast not only features former
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Major League talent, but also has viewers and subscribers. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: don't know if he subscribes. that are former major league
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: talent pitcher in this case. But I was surprised during
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the 06 reunion, just talking about things with Chris Carpenter.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And I mentioned that I did a podcast with you
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: two and he said, I watch it. It's really good.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: A compliment from Chris Carpenter. And he said, he said,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: those guys are really smart. And he said, Lance brings
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: up some good points. So Lance, I'll start with you.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: The fact that, Chris Carpenter, one of the all-timers in
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: baseball and one of the toughest guys ever, a guy
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: who taught you, watches your podcast.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: How does that make you feel? Well, when he says
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I bring up good points, he's doing this to himself.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: He might not have meant it that way, but he
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: is because like you said he was one of my
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: mentors and one of the people that helped me learn
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the business of this game really quick and also understand
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: what I'm looking at game in and game out when
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: my failures happen when they didn't and stuff like that
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: so he was a big part of dealing with a
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: lot of that stuff early on in my career and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: helping me get through those things so Yes, I appreciate it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he is enjoying it. But Chris, if you're watching,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: give yourself one of these, brother, because I appreciate it all. And,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: you know, you taught me the way and I've just
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: been able to keep rolling with it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Does that put pressure on you, Kyle, that Chris Carpenter
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is watching us maybe right now as we speak?
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's pretty cool to hear somebody of
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: his status and his knowledge of the game and all
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: he accomplished. You know, give us a little bit of
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: a compliment about what we're saying. Jim, I just, I
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: don't think you can, you know, you like to degrade
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: yourself for humor, but you just said this podcast has two,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: you know, former major league players on it. You are
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: a current major league media person. So don't take away
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: from yourself there. You are actually in the big leagues
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: and we are not.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that means nothing.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You're like the Roger Clemens, though. You don't even travel anymore.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: You're just a home guy. You're like the Roger Clemens
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: of media.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I'm getting old.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Good for you.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I'm getting too old. But that brings us to our
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: next topic. And to me, it's like teeing it up
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: for you guys. But yeah, as a media guy, I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: got to be in the clubhouse. Now, there's some weird
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: things that go on in the clubhouse. I mean, like
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: there's like a little media horde. They stand together.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I always just, you know this, I'll just come and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: bullshit with you guys because I like to treat you
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: as people, right?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or you're just way too fucking comfortable. But other
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: than that, yeah.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably why I'm not on the road anymore.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: And there's some guys that are like trying to listen
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: in or whatever. I always consider myself a guest in
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the big league clubhouse because it ain't mine. It ain't mine.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But I'm just curious, like other sports have that. Like
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: in hockey, they have like a separate room where the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: players are, and then they'll bring them in one at
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: a time. Media in the clubhouse. I'll go back to you, Kyle,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: on this one, and then Lance can drop the hammer
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: because I know he's itching to. Media in the clubhouse.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: It's your clubhouse. Part of it, I'll side with the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: media on this, like players should be in there more.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: It's good for the fans to hear from you. You
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: don't have to be in there all the time, answer
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the same questions. But even before a game, once you
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: all pop by, give an interview, whatever. But how do
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you feel about media in the clubhouse? Are they welcome
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: guests or do you want them out of there?
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Free game in that media window, I think is perfectly fine.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I think sometimes that window is a little bit long.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I think in certain markets, you have media members who
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: are sitting there listening for tone, listening for conversations, trying
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: to dig up something. I don't really feel like St.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Louis was that way. My main argument and complaint about
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: media in the locker room was postgame, how long they lingered.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: how much it takes away from, you know, the mood
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: in the clubhouse. I think players after the game, you
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: have the most adrenaline and most energy from a loss
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: or a win. And that's where I would really rather see,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: have a room to the side. The media have their
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: list of players they want to talk to so that
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: they are asking the questions and moving on.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: It's late.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Nobody wants to sit there and linger around. the waiting
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: if somebody's going to ask you a question. And I
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: think for the most part, media members that are talking
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: about the game know who they want to talk to anyways.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: There's no point in standing there while guys are coming
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: in and out of the shower and just creating a
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: bunch of situations that really don't need to be there.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Now, Lance, you welcome this, right? You want more media
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and more time in the clubhouse.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: There is a time and a place, but the way
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  Speaker 2: I see it is every day that you get and
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: shower and you get dressed for work, if I just
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: sat there and watched you the whole time, you would
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: be weirded out. And every time you got home from work,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: you showered and got dressed. And I just watched you
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the whole time and never spoke to you, but I
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: just watched you the whole time. I was in your closet,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: in your bedroom, because that's what a clubhouse is. I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: would tell you that you would call the fucking police
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  Speaker 2: and tell me to get the fuck out. I would
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  Speaker 2: promise you that. So to answer your question, If you
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: need to talk to me, I got no problem answering
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: your questions, but ask and I'll come meet you in
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: a place where you don't have to be around a
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: bunch of people in their closets or in their bedroom
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  Speaker 2: because that's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: That was so much better than I thought we were
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  Speaker 3: going to get.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. I did want to mention this real
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: quick and then we'll wrap it up. But when I
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: first met Kyle Gibson, he said, I know who you
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: are because I've seen that thing, that clip of you
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: and Lance going back and forth about the line drive
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  Speaker 1: off his hat. And then I just, a young player,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I can't remember, one of the guys on the Cardinals
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: asked me, he said, I just saw you on YouTube
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: with Lance Lynn talking. He said, was that real? I go, yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: So that thing lives on in infamy. I wonder how
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: many views that has.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: We've always had good banners, so that was easy. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Let's get this after every game, a starter knows where
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: he's supposed to be and what he's supposed to do
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  Speaker 2: and where we're doing it. I think you'll get more
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: out of players when they know when and where they're
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: supposed to be and what they're doing instead of being
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: bombarded after they just got done drying their back and
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: putting their underwear on. I promise you that. So that's
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: why I say there's after games. If you're like, Hey,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: there's six guys that they got requested. Boom. You're out
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that you get showered and then you just kind of
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: slowly go in and do your thing. that's what it is.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And the rest of the guys can actually sit there and, uh,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: you know, not have to, uh, put their, put their
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: clothes on, um, with, you know, there's, you know, I
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: don't even, I don't even want to give the visual
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: pile knows exactly where I'm going with this. Um, but just, uh, well,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I think I can wet men in towels with people
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: right up against you because they're interviewing the guy that's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: next to you and your thing. It's just not, It's
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: just not it, man. I don't know how else to
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: say it. I don't understand how it's still allowed, to
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: be honest with you.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: There is nothing worse than if you throw, if you're
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: lucky enough to throw seven or eight innings and you
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: get your training work done and you're barely making it
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: to the high five line and then you want to
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: get showered, you want to look presentable for the media
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: and you're not just, you know, all crazy. There's nothing
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: worse than coming out of the shower. Understand that you
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: are the first one the media is talking to. They
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: will not talk to anybody else for the most part first.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: And it's just 15 of them, 15 feet from your
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: locker and they all have to wait for you to change.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: And you're just like, okay, can you guys go outside
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: for a second?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like that. And then sometimes they
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: push away.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, your PR guy.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: You know, Tuno would move them away. Hey, guys, let's
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: give you a little bit of room.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, thanks.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Appreciate that. Give me another five feet here so I
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: can get out of my towel and.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Get dressed before I answer your personal questions.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Or the best is when you get them in town
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and say, hey, you get my back? My goodness. Give
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: me some room. Oh, goodness.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Well, this was a great episode. I hope everyone enjoyed
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: it as much as I did. That's going to do
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: next time. Hopefully that one won't stuck.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Ask him if you've seen the new towel rack.