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NFL Injury Crisis?! Lamar Hurt, Saquon Banged Up + Lane Johnson Retires | Tent Talk · Banter with the Boys

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Get laced up. Let's go. It's time for Banter
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with the Boys. What it is, old bristles, and
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welcome back to Banter with the Boys. Gridiron
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updates. This is our tent talk episode. Roberto's
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not even paying attention. That's okay. He was
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still freaking out about the intro, but with
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that. Roberto is right here on the side. You
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already know. Right on. You did the horns. I
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know. Sorry. He's getting into it. He's getting
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into it. It's fine. It's fine. We haven't even
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done an episode yet tonight. I was busy putting
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the snakes in the tent. That's right. Somebody's
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got to do it, right? So he wasn't even in the
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tent. You guys are sitting next to the fire I
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built. Anyway, since it is the tent talk episode,
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the flock doc is in the frigging house. What's
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up, doc? Hello. All right. So our first injuries
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here. First off, before Lamar and Marcus Mariota
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went down in week four, there had already been
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eight significant quarterback injuries through
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three weeks. I feel like that's a lot. It feels
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like that's more than normal. I should have looked
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that up. Has there been this many? quarterback
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injuries in the first three weeks in the past,
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like, I don't know, five years. It just feels
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like it's more than normal as far as, you know,
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starting QBs going down. Yeah, right on. I feel
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like we're on pace for what the league average
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has been over the last few years. A couple of
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years ago, it was kind of ridiculous where there
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were like 60 some odd different quarterbacks
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that played over the course of the entire season.
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Right on. Versus... Yeah. Okay. Has not been
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that many, or that's not really a measurable
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metric? Not a stat. Well, it gives me something
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to do in the offseason just for that one stat,
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and then it won't matter. Break it down. Anyway,
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with that, Lamar Jackson, I mean, that's obviously
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something to keep an eye on here. His ankle.
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Have you seen anything on flock news? And that
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he... Is he going to play? No. I don't think
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he's going to play. No good. There's an outside
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chance he'll play. He seemed like he was doing
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all right when he was standing on the sidelines
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in the second half, bouncing around and stuff
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like that. But he did leave the stadium in a
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walking boot. Never a good sign. Yeah, not a
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good sign, but also probably just precautionary.
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Sure. Let's not make it worse. It's an expensive
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ankle right there. I don't think he'll play.
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Tyler Huntley or Snoop Huntley should do pretty
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well as far as his backup. Do they open up that
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playbook? I think they do. I think they should.
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Now that he has that week as the starter bona
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fide, you're starting this week. A full week
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to prepare. A lot of that receiving core he's
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worked with over the last few years anyways,
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so he has some familiarity with Mark Andrews,
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with, say, Flowers, with Rashad Bateman. And
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you still have Derrick Henry in the backfield,
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a running back or a good running game as a quarterback's
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best friend. So I think... Yeah, they'll open
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the playbook up a little bit more. And they'll
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put up points. They'll move the ball. Move the
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ball. Put up points. It's easy. Yeah. Just like
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that. Money, money, money. I mentioned Mariota.
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So Marcus Mariota, he sprained his MCL. However.
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Go Ducks. However, Jaden Daniels looks to return
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this week for the Commanders. Didn't know he
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was going to be back this soon. I didn't think
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so. I mean, after seeing the video, you wouldn't
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have thought so either. But he's tracking to
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possibly play this week. I don't think that's
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a confirmed thing. Maybe I quit searching for
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him. Otherwise, it's going to be Athan Kaliak
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-Manis. Yeah. Skew, nope. Sorry. Anyway. Yeah,
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I'm not sorry about that. Saquon Barkley. Hamstring.
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That's something to really monitor. He is officially,
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like, week to week. No idea if he's actually
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going to play or not. And with the way that offense
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played without him in the second half, boy, do
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the Eagles need him. Now maybe it's, again, one
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of those things where Shipley or whoever the
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hell else they got. But he got banged up, too.
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So that might be him. Yeah. I know it. Yeah.
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Yeah. Core injury. Or whatever. So he's going
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to be out for... Abdominal. Yeah, they put him
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on the IR, right? Oh, they did? Yeah. Whoa, I
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missed that. Good thing we're doing this episode.
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Yeah. Now everyone knows, not just us. I think
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the core injury is like code or slang word for
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some kind of hernia. Okay. Oh, interesting. So
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you've checked them out. You're the doctor, right?
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So you've checked out Bigsby. You for sure, you're
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like, yep, that is a hernia. Right on. Felt that
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before. Sounds good. That's why we got the doc
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in the house. You can have different kinds of
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hernias. So, you know, you get them up here versus
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other places. So, yeah. You know, anal hernia
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in the throat. That sounds like that would be
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painful. No. So we're going to see a lot of Will
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Shipley. You've had it. Yeah, Will Shipley. We're
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going down the wrong path here. Talking about
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hernias. Anyway, yeah, possibly a lot of Will
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Shipley. But, again, that second half with no
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Saquon Barkley was way different for the Eagles
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and did not look good at all. And in the news,
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we'll touch on some stuff in the news as well
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about more Eagles stuff. Let's see. Both Cincinnati
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receivers are down. If you listened to our last
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episode, that kind of got brought up. Chase right
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now with the concussion. He's got to go through
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concussion protocol. We all know what that's
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like. Or at least the process for the NFL or
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the Shield. Sorry. I don't know if we can even
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say those three letters. No. Can we not? I can't
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even think of them. That's a bunch of crap. Let's
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all have a beer and pretend to drink it. All
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right. What? Who, me? So we don't know. Jamar
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Chase is going to play. When he's going to play
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again, you'd like to assume ASAP. But, again,
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there's those protocols in place that he has
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to pass. T. Higgins also picked up a groin injury
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that same game. What is that? That's like $65
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million a receiver right there. Yeah, buddy.
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That's crazy. Like 25 % of the salary cap. Oh,
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that's right. Who do they play? We just talked
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about this, too, last episode. Yeah. They play
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the Titan? The Dolphins. Oh, that's right, the
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Dolphins. And that's where you were actually
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talking about. That might give the Dolphins a
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chance if you're without their top two targets.
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Maybe they get their first win. You're saying
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there's a chance. The Dolphins? I can see how
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they hung with KC. Or, yeah, how they hung with
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KC. Or we see another reason for the Bengals'
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defense actually being legit. Maybe the Bengals'
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defense keeps... I mean, Dexter in there has
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completely changed that defense, but yes. That'll
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be interesting. No, that defense has completely
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changed around, which is why they feel like they're
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actually competing in games this year. And Joey
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B is healthy right now, so that helps too. Broncos.
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Patrick Sertain, the second with an ankle injury,
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and also fellow corner Riley Moss with a rib
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injury. So the Broncos secondary getting a little
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thin there on the back end. We'll see what happens
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there. Packers linebacker Edgren Cooper. I don't
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think I said that. I messed up his name. That's
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right. Achilles, done for the year. It just continues.
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It goes from bad to worse for the Packers right
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now, honestly. Seriously, like every week. And
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I haven't heard a sniff about Joshua Jacobs yet.
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Josh Jacobs, yeah. Josh Jacobs coming back. Is
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Micah Parsons still – isn't he supposed to be
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back? Don't they play the – He's still – well,
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what, they – They play the Cowboys this week,
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the Packers? No. No, he – yeah, we don't know.
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They play the Bears. I'm sorry. They play Cowboys
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Sunday night football next week. Yeah, we still
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don't know when Micah's coming back either. They're
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just – Spiraling out of control. You don't rush
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them back at this point, really. I mean, to be
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honest. Depending on how this weekend's game
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goes against the Bears. If you can beat the Bears
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and Micah's 90%. That's a tall order. I know.
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And Micah Parsons is at least in Green Bay, I
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think. And Micah's like 80 % ready to go by the
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time the Cowboys play the Packers. I feel like
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he's doing anything he can to get on the field.
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Fair. As he should. Because then they go to Lions,
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Panthers, Patriots, Vikings. It's not a great
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schedule there for the Packers coming up. So
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they got a lot of work to do there. So just again,
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Cooper going down. Before the season slips away.
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Cooper going down for the year. So again, a big
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game this weekend for the Packers. And historical
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matchup, as always, Bears -Packers. Second greatest
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rivalry in the NFL. Behind, let me guess, like
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Ravens and Steelers. Yeah, 100 % correct. Get
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out of here. I'm sorry. I almost lost my mind.
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It was worth it. Sorry. Yeah, but. Bears, Packers,
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don't miss it this weekend. You already know.
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It's at noon. Anyway, shameless plug for our
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rivals. I don't know what that was about. Sorry.
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Awkward. Yeah. Let's see. Chiefs receivers issues.
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Thornton, obviously, dislocated ankle. He's out
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indefinitely. Did you see the video? Yes, I did.
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And I felt like you had a comment about it earlier.
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You were about to say something. When I watched
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it, when I watched the play. It didn't really,
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like, dawn on me or seem like anything terrible.
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It wasn't until. It didn't to him either. Right.
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Because he stood up. Yeah. And was, like, shimmying.
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And then he's like, oh, let me lay down. And
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then that's when you saw his, like, foot pointing
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in the wrong direction. And you're like, oh.
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I think, what was it? One of his linemen went
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over. Yeah. And, like, was about to take a knee
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with him and saw the foot. And he's like, nah.
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He, like, got on the left of him. That'd be me.
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That'd be me. I don't know. I don't know. That
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happened to me once when I was stuck in a conveyor
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belt. Anyway. I mean. The first person walked
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away. Unfortunate that that happened to him because
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he was off to a great start this year. He was.
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He was. He's a big body target, too. I actually
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really like him. And for that Chiefs offense,
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I mean, it's a nice half. The other nice half
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is Rushie Rice, who tweaked his hammy, and that's
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another day -to -day situation right now. Hamstring's
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nothing to play with. I don't think that's the
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first time that's happened to him either. Was
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it last year? Or the year before where he tweaked
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it, too? I feel like he's a soft tissue kind
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of guy. Chargers woes just continue right now.
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Joel and Rashad Slater, they're two top linemen
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that they spent so much draft capital on. They
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were hurt last year. They were hurt last year.
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That was a big thing. preaching all last year
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too it's like they just need both these guys
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healthy yeah everything's going to be fixed it's
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going to be fine and this year we they've been
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healthy and it hasn't been fine and now they're
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out so maybe they'll start winning now um and
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then lad mcconkie also was not available either
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so just just continues to get worse for the chargers
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right now Vikings O -line, not great either for
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us right now. Derrissaw, who you weren't impressed
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with maybe this past game, you're saying? He
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got pushed around. He got pushed around a little
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bit. He wasn't perfect. We'll say that. He was
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being evaluated for a concussion, so he might
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enter protocol as well. He did not return to
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the game. Did you see the play that he got a
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concussion on? No, I did not. It was weird. They
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just wasn't doing great, and they had to put
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something on there? It didn't look like you...
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Like, took a hit to the head, even. I know. That
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was the view I got. It was like concussion? Yeah.
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And on all 22, there's no commentary, either.
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So I'm just looking at what I see. That was the
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play. And the Vikings' best alignment of the
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year, Donovan Jackson, is done for the season.
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After, I believe, it was a meniscus tear. So
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he's done. Done. Needs surgery. Done. Maybe it
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was a play before, and I missed it. It had to
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be. So one of those situations where it's almost
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a good thing that we got Kyler back there who
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can at least extend a play and maybe move around
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a bit. I don't know. We'll see. It helps, especially
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when you're at offense alignment. That's when
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the dual threat quarterback comes alive. Right.
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For sure. That's what I mean. That offense has
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continued to limp to wins, riding the defense.
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So we'll see if they continue to limp or if they
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can figure it out. And specials, that's right.
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Miles Price, shout out. Killing it. Got a boy.
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Starting to remind me of Percy Harvin a little
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bit. Let's see. Uh, let's move. Okay. Injuries.
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You got any more injuries before you move on?
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Cause you, cause you had asked me about injuries
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that like Ravens got, got out of there on skate.
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No, we continue to have all line injuries. Uh,
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what Andrew Voorhees. Don't tell me the center's
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down. Uh, has it? No. Uh, yeah. Uh, Venga is
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going to most likely started center again this
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week, uh, two. Um, but Andrew Voorhees, uh, guard
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foot injury. Um, what was the, Durham Smith,
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or excuse me, Smythe tore his Achilles, so he's
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done for the year. What is up with all these
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Achilles, man? He's fast like four or five. Yeah,
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but he was like their primary blocking tight
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end. Still important because that's historically
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has been one of their important things. Marlon
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Humphrey has a calf injury. Zay had his foot
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rolled over late in the game. No good. Yep, no
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good. So, yeah, Ravens are banged up. Ravens
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are banged. Yeah, I mean, this kind of goes into,
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I mean. A little bit of fantasy minute here.
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I had some injuries that just added to it. I
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mean, Geno Smith was banged up a little bit.
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Also, Dak got a hand contusion. On a throwing
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hit? I believe it was. And then Menungai and
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Swift got a little banged up knee and thumb.
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Love still banged up. I feel like he just didn't
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be an update. Are all these guys tracking the
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players or some? You're a little bit more concerned.
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Just kind of looking, like, thinking about backups
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if you're going to want to pick them up on fantasy.
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This is kind of, I guess, generally where I'm
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at. And then we already talked about the Tennessee
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receivers. So, like, Jermaine Burton, Irwin are
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a couple guys, even the tight end. Mike Grzynski.
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Grzynski? How do you say his last name? You ride
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with that. I'm fine. I don't care. Sounds like
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it ends in ski. Ski. That's right. JJ still probably,
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we don't know. So Addison is still going to be
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a play. And now Xavier Worthy with Thornton and
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Rice going down. So you're going to be in. DJ
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Moore re -injured to that soldier again. So Coleman
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had a decent little game. Great catch on the
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sidelines. I don't know if you guys ended up
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seeing that one. I think it was a top five catch
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of the week kind of. Tipped it to himself and
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re -caught it. It was a nice concentration. Landon
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McConkley foot hurts. I mean, that's just the
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whole. I kind of stay away from the Chargers
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or anything right now. And that's kind of where
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we're at. So, Will Shipley is a pickup. Burton,
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Addison, and then Tyler Huntley, you know, in
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that offense. A lot of red zone opportunities,
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so you never know. But there's always some other
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quarterbacks out there, too. Yeah, that's kind
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of what I got. Right on, right on, right on.
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Let's head into a little bit of our news here
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before we close this episode out. The Chiefs,
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the Vikings, the 49ers all remain undefeated.
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Skull to the bull. Heck yeah, baby. Don't worry.
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We'll talk about the Chiefs and the Vikes in
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our preview episode, our week five preview and
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picks episode. Don't forget to check that out,
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which is released usually after the tent talk.
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The Chiefs are on a bye week this week, and they
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play the Chargers coming out of that bye. We
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did touch on it, I believe, last episode, right?
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I'm thinking it could be a trap game. Didn't
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you say you were thinking? No, you also agreed
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with me. You're thinking they're going to stomp
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the Chargers probably, or at least win the game.
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Yeah, Andy Reid's going to have them prepared.
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Andy Reid coming out of a bye week. nigh unstoppable
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which was what was it 25 and 5 i said so yeah
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that was yeah i mean that's pretty two and five
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it's a pretty yeah you're right 22 and five yeah
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that's a pretty healthy step yeah right on that
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dog i'll hunt right on uh and then like i said
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we'll talk about if the um oh oh yeah we're talking
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about the niners too this episode my bad my bad
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sorry what are you doing just tossing stuff in
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my mouth right on okay right on right on um With
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that, we still have five teams that are winless.
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The Texans, Chargers, Dolphins, Buccaneers, and
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Titans. Hot seats. We touched on the Texans.
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Oh, some hot seats. I'll keep going where you're
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at. No, I was just curious. We touched on, you
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know, at least I think we all agree that the
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Texans are probably the best of the winless,
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right? Yes. I agree. Best 0 -14. 0 -14. I think
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I've ever seen. I mean, their schedule's been
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tough. For sure. Nico being out games two and
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three. Mm -hmm. Last week against Dallas, I mean,
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it was a shootout. It was fun. But their defense
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hasn't given over. They gave up over 30 once
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last year, and they've given it up twice now.
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So they need to step up a little bit. But we
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expect them to beat the Titans this week and
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get their first win, no? Yes. No, wait a minute.
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Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Jake, I'm on it.
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No, I don't. They'll get it. Right on. Right
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on. Just curious. We're not doing pictures. I
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mean, Titans can give them a battle just because
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I think defensively they're good enough. But
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I think Anderson and Hunter and that edge is
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going to really, especially because I think the
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Titans can run the ball. Once the Titans can
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run the ball suddenly, that's the only opportunity
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they'll be able to be in it. Right on. Cam Ward
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will be running for his life. Run, Cam, run.
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Lane Johnson retires. from the Eagles to focus
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on his mental health and family stuff. You know,
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he played for the Eagles for 14 years, didn't
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allow a single sack in 2024. So the dude was
18:28
all time for the Eagles. So that's just, again,
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another big loss for them. He did play weeks,
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I think, one through three. Didn't play last
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week because of personal issues and now has decided
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to retire and step away. Just all the best to
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Lane Johnson on that. Joe Mixon was about to
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return. Sure I am. And did not. So Seahawks,
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it came out, was that today? Yes. This morning
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that he was going to be signed or was that yesterday?
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It was late yesterday that he was going to sign.
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And then today came out that the Seahawks have
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decided not to sign him based on the old physical.
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Yes. I can't find what. I'm kidding. Oh, geez.
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I have not seen, like, necessarily what. I mean,
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he's been banged up over the years. He had a
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foot injury last year, the Texans. And I think
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they were already talking about it last year,
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preseason, that it could be career ending. I
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just happened to look it up once I saw the news.
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He just turned 30 in July. That's like the shelf
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life for the running back. Yeah. A little bit.
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If you haven't played in a year or two and you're
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30, the chances of returning. But he still had
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juice left in the tank, I believed. I don't think
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he would retire. He was still pretty dynamic.
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But, yeah, that foot injury just, yeah. Obviously,
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the Seahawks saw something they were pretty still
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concerned about. So you asked before the pod
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if you think that's it. you know, for mixing.
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If one team says no at this point, it's like,
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well, there's a reason for that, and all the
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teams know his history at this point. So, unless
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they're really needy, but obviously saw something
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that they're very concerned about. Seahawks are
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kind of needy. They are. That's what I mean.
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So, that should be a concern, you know, if you're
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Joe Mixon, about, like you said, the return of
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your career here. Let's see. Real quick. I don't
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know. That's not news. Okay. Tyreek Hill, though.
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Wait, hold on. What's not news? The Patriots
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beating Buffalo. That was a great game. I guess
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my question to that would be, are the Patriots
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back to maybe being competitive to the point
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where we're going to start seeing that battle
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between Buffalo and the Patriots for the division?
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I think Mike Vrabel has them pointed in the right
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direction. We'll start there. Right on. Because
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you have to. And they're 1 -0 now. You've got
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to string some wins together. Yeah. I mean, Drake
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Mays started playing football. I mean, that's
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literally, I think, the difference of it is.
21:06
I mean, if he doesn't make dumb throws in that
21:09
Seattle game, he just had a really bad beginning
21:12
to the season. And now they've got that running
21:15
game kind of going. And that defense has always
21:18
been pretty solid overall with anything that
21:21
Braves kind of touches. Yeah, I think they're
21:25
going to be competitive. I mean, they spent a
21:28
ton of money. A .J. Brown will come back at some
21:30
point. I mean, was that the question, whether
21:33
they're going to be competitive? Just if they're
21:34
going to be competitive again now, at least with
21:37
the Bills for sure, and they're head -to -heads.
21:41
And they needed to be able to win the division.
21:43
They really needed that game because they fall
21:45
to one and three and the vibe of how they've
21:49
been playing. Like, oh, everyone in that media
21:51
over there is going to be like, oh, last year
21:53
was a fluke. Yeah. I mean, that's where that
21:55
conversation is coming from. So now that quieted
21:58
the crowd a little bit. Vikings plus 35 in point
22:05
differential. Sorry, I'm just thinking. Well,
22:07
I was just watching people online and stuff where
22:10
they're writing up just about the Vikings offense.
22:12
And you're plus 35 point differential ranks in
22:15
the NFL. That defense is just where do you think
22:18
that ranks you in the NFL? That's got to be top
22:20
10. Probably plus 35 in point. Yeah. Might even
22:25
be higher than top 10, to be honest with you.
22:26
That seems like a lot. It's five. They're fifth
22:28
in the NFL in point differential. And then I
22:31
started looking at, like, oh, how many points
22:33
for have they scored? And everyone's been pointing
22:36
out to their, I'm going to make sure I get the
22:37
number. What's their ranking on that? Well, it's
22:39
just that, like, they've scored, like, is it
22:41
87? About 20, I would imagine. And, like, two
22:44
-thirds of those are field goals? 86. 86 total
22:48
points. Will Reichardt's all -time already. But
22:50
let me ask you this question. I'll throw out
22:52
a couple names. You think whether they've scored
22:54
more than the Vikings yet this year. We'll say
22:57
the Saints. Wait, total points? Total points.
23:00
Points for? No. Saints definitely have. How about
23:03
the Broncos? No. I would say no. No. What about
23:07
the Patriots? No. What about the Rams? Yes. I'm
23:15
going to say yes on that one. No. Ooh. No. They
23:18
have not scored more than the Vikings? Exactly.
23:20
So if you kind of look at the overall picture
23:23
of the whole NFL, I mean, it's all about the
23:27
wins. That's all the staff that only matters
23:30
the most. That's all we care about. So you can
23:32
angle and look at every differential, and then
23:34
you'd look at it. And also, then you have to
23:37
put it in the schedule of the teams they play.
23:39
Yeah, because there have been, in the past, like
23:43
your number one seeds of like, oh, they've...
23:45
won their games by an average of, like, three
23:47
points. Exactly. And you're just like, wait,
23:50
what? So, yeah. I'm picking up what you're putting
23:55
down. There could be some really skewed information.
23:58
So after just looking at the internet today as
24:01
they're dissecting and fire KOC conversations
24:04
and start Wentz. I agree with the start Wentz.
24:09
Oh. Okay, okay. Tell us why. I just never believed
24:15
in Kyler Murray. Okay. So it's longtime hate
24:18
for him. It's not longtime hate. There's a long
24:22
amount of data that's there to support that he's
24:29
not the guy. Would you say the same thing about
24:34
Sam Darnold then? That Sam Darnold's not? That's
24:39
a great question. Looking at the data, you'd
24:42
be like, oh, man, who is this guy? And if you're
24:45
just looking at stats, yeah, you would say Sam
24:49
Darnold's not the guy. Okay. So we don't need
24:52
to have a guy to win a Super Bowl. That's awesome.
24:55
There we go. There we go. That's what I'm grabbing.
24:58
That's what I'm going to take from that. Sam
24:58
Darnold didn't have our defense and a very bad
25:02
team. Well, I had to be a holder. Here we go.
25:05
I mean, that's a disclaimer to the relevancy
25:09
of the question, right? Well, I guess you could
25:11
say, though, the Cardinals didn't have a good
25:13
team either. They're the same comparison from
25:15
the Jets to the Cardinals of quality of roster.
25:18
Sure. So. All right. Hey, fans, let us know what
25:24
you think. Tyreek Hill news. He's getting close
25:28
to. Running around and stuff and being back at
25:31
it. Rumors of going back to the Chiefs in time
25:35
for a little playoff run at some point. I mean,
25:37
with Thornton and Rice going down, it seems like
25:40
it's kind of making obvious. Yeah, it seems fitting.
25:43
If there was one other team, he said he wanted
25:45
to go somewhere cold. But is there any other
25:48
team? He wants to go somewhere cold? He said
25:50
that. Yeah, words. Like, cold as in, like, they're
25:53
a bad team cold? Or, like, cold as in, like,
25:55
weather team? Cold as in... Back to Miami, it
25:58
is. Cold as in weather. Cold as in weather. Why
26:00
would he want... He played in Kansas City for
26:02
a minute. Yeah. He was trying to angle something.
26:06
Oh, for sure he was. For sure he was. I was like,
26:09
Green Bay? What? Nah, I don't see Green Bay.
26:12
He was going to go to a contender. Sure. He was
26:15
going to go to a contender. I could see, like,
26:17
the Patriots. Man, him and AJ Brown would be
26:21
interesting. If he's like, how much are we going
26:24
to get of Tyreek Hill? That's just it. I think
26:27
you get enough. The other thing that you think
26:30
about, I mean, in addition to it being the Chiefs,
26:33
which makes the most sense. offensively scheming.
26:38
It's Andy Reid. He knows the offense. Familiar
26:41
with Patrick Mahomes. But the other caveat to
26:44
this that we really haven't talked about at all
26:46
this year is Eric Bien -Aimé is the offensive
26:48
coordinator. And that's when they were deep shots,
26:54
high flying. Now I know that they're running
26:57
the football a whole heck of a lot because of
26:59
K -9 or Kenneth Walker III. And so it's a very
27:04
different... So it's a very different offensive
27:09
scheme that they're running. But having Kenneth
27:13
Walker III makes you have to honor that. You're
27:17
playing up. You're putting eight in the box or
27:20
nine in the box to stop the run. And now you
27:23
can still have Tyreek streaking down the seam
27:27
or down the sideline. So I think it's a great
27:31
fit. I would be super mad and upset to see it
27:35
happen. But, I mean, that's selfish. Tell us
27:38
the truth, Doc. That's selfish Ravens fan. Be
27:40
like, oh, man, he's going back there. Yeah. All
27:45
right. I mean, I'm just saying my two cents is
27:47
just that I don't know if he's got the speed
27:49
still. I mean, someone's got to answer that question.
27:53
He doesn't have to have speed. He doesn't have
27:55
to have super speed anymore. Or the quickness
27:57
or, you know. He's just got to, he just has to
28:03
make, like, one move and then just go. I don't
28:06
know. I think it's possible. Yeah, it's all about
28:09
his ability and his speed. That's the only question
28:12
I have for him. But that's always what's made
28:14
Tyreek work is he just outrun you. The cheetah.
28:17
I still think even a step slow, he's still a
28:22
lot faster than a lot of DBs out there. Yeah,
28:25
so we'll see, I guess, who picks him up and whether,
28:28
you know. But, yeah, I'm going to go in. Tease
28:30
is probably the possibility, and it makes the
28:32
most sense. Yeah, Coach? I mean, it does make
28:37
the most sense. There's already some continuity
28:39
there. You know what I mean? But, again, it's
28:42
just what I have said three times already. Like,
28:44
how much are you going to get out of him? You
28:46
know, how close to 100 % is he actually going
28:49
to be after a gruesome injury like that? Last
28:53
bit of news here. Two referees suspended this
28:57
week. That was pretty freaking wild. We'll touch
29:00
on who that is and why they were suspended. But
29:03
I had to look it up because I was like. I don't
29:06
remember this happening very often. Guess what?
29:08
It doesn't. December of 2018, Roy Ellison was
29:12
placed on administrative leave for one game and
29:14
fined one game check for confrontation with a
29:16
Bills player. No, I did not look up who the Bills
29:18
player was. Before that, the last suspension
29:21
was Rob Vernacci for an Arant 18 -second runoff
29:26
during a Steelers -Chargers game that was in
29:27
2015. Then two years before that, Ellison, our
29:31
boy Roy Ellison, was suspended for the first
29:34
time for using profanity against a player, which
29:36
ironically is one of the things that we saw a
29:38
current suspension for. Again, we'll touch on
29:41
that in a second. Repeat offenders. Now, touching
29:44
on the Roy Ellison thing of using profanity against
29:47
a player and then the most recent one of Jeff
29:49
Seaman using profanity against Trey McBride.
29:55
You know, we get situations where, like, Mike
29:57
Rabel gets in a heated conversation and says,
30:00
that's an effing terrible call to the ref. You
30:03
know what I mean? Yeah. So that's my question
30:05
to you guys is, when is that line drawn now?
30:08
They say, you know, we expect players to uphold
30:11
themselves in the right way, too. There's been
30:13
a couple hot mic moments, you know, damn, dang
30:16
well, that them players are not always respecting
30:19
the refs either. So when is that line drawn,
30:21
specifically on the Jeff Seaman thing where he...
30:24
you know, cussed at Trey McBride. You know, that
30:28
situation. Then we'll touch on the Viking one.
30:30
I mean, I know exactly where it's drawn. There's
30:32
a little yellow little flag on the back of their
30:34
pocket, and whenever they feel like the coach
30:37
has given them too much, they could. I mean,
30:39
that's how they'll take until then. It is, you
30:44
know, I think that's the threshold. But then
30:47
my point. then, if that's the threshold, right,
30:50
and you got thick skin, and that's fine, you
30:52
know, whatever, you can take an earful from the
30:54
coach, but, like, the minute a ref says one thing,
30:57
now, said in a derogatory way, you know, but.
31:01
The cameras caught him. Yeah. Right. The coach
31:03
didn't turn him in. Correct. Or the player. Correct.
31:06
Right. True. Correct. That is true. That is,
31:08
they keep saying those words, too. The camera
31:11
caught him. The camera. And the camera catching
31:13
the coach. yelling at the ref is entertainment
31:17
to us right well and the other the other and
31:21
i appreciate that the refs are trying to be thick
31:24
-skinned because these players they're in the
31:27
moment they're being competitive oh for sure
31:29
they're vocalizing their frustration so yeah
31:31
there's going to be some obscenities thrown i
31:34
i understand why a coach or a player is upset
31:39
and why they're yelling at her there's there's
31:41
like Hundreds of thousands of football fans that
31:46
are watching television, they're probably screaming
31:48
obscenities at these refs also that they're not
31:51
that they're not hearing. So it's just it it's
31:55
part of the environment that they're in and they
31:59
should be able to absorb or take some of that.
32:03
Now, I don't know and I haven't watched or really
32:07
investigated what the interaction. was between
32:11
the ref and Trey McBride that resulted in the
32:16
ref swearing at him? He literally just went,
32:17
F you. But did McBride say it? Yeah. What happened
32:20
prior to that? There's two sides of the story.
32:23
Yeah, of course. So we don't know. But is that
32:26
different, saying F you at a person and like,
32:30
that's a bad effing call? It's a little different
32:32
because you're not, I mean, but I mean, you are
32:34
still directing at the ref. That's a bad effing
32:36
call. Or F you. I mean, is that the same thing
32:38
to you? It depends on, again, I don't know what
32:42
the situation was. And then to your point, it's
32:44
the environment. Right. So maybe it is a valid
32:47
response to be like, yeah, that was a bad effing
32:49
call. Well, F you, I made it anyways. So carry
32:52
on. Interesting. You do think two games is enough?
32:56
Do you think it's too much for Mr. Jeff Seaman?
33:00
Too much. Yeah. One should like one, just like
33:04
whatever. Kind of lame. That's the NFL PM making
33:10
a statement. Don't you, even though we need you
33:14
guys to referee, don't you do it. The old NFL
33:16
cameras. Was the other suspension, the ref that
33:19
like retaliated against the Viking defender?
33:22
Weird. Yeah. Like that one. I was like, okay.
33:25
Yeah. Ref should get like suspended or at least
33:27
talk to you. Cause that was just like, like when
33:30
you watch it, you're like, what are you doing?
33:33
Like, you obviously didn't see that he got blocked
33:36
or pushed into the ref. He didn't do anything
33:40
wrong. And why did you... I don't know. I don't
33:42
see a player maliciously pushing a ref down that
33:45
hard either, per se. I don't know. Even if you're
33:48
so frustrated. Of all of the times that I've
33:50
seen players bump into refs inadvertently, I've
33:54
never seen a ref be like, no, don't touch me,
33:57
when they're offering to help them back up or
33:59
anything. Yeah, he was trying to help him get
34:01
up, and he was like, no, and he got up and gave
34:02
him the old Sophie Cunningham. You know what
34:04
I mean? That was all awkward. It got up in his
34:06
face. That was very awkward. That's all I'm going
34:08
to say. So he's suspended for a game. Good. But,
34:12
yeah, anyway, we haven't seen that in a long
34:14
time. Thought it was interesting. We had to do
34:16
a little. It was the first time in my life. Slight
34:18
deep dive on that. Yeah, it was wild news. And
34:20
then when the second one came, I was like, oh,
34:22
my God, what is happening? But, anyway. Well,
34:25
let's also throw out the thing. Most penalties
34:28
in the history, the first four games. Through
34:31
the first four weeks. Yeah, that's right. It's
34:33
true. It's true. They need to tighten up their
34:37
game. Because I feel like every week we've. Not
34:39
even homer calls or anything. The Vikings are
34:41
finally getting calls against them, though. The
34:43
first few games, it was like three against them.
34:45
We've gotten plenty of calls. It's all over the
34:48
place. Now it's all over. I just want it more
34:51
consistently across the board. I don't care.
34:53
100 % agree. Just throwing that disclaimer out
34:56
there. How many was it? It was a lot. Too many.
34:59
Anyway, we've got to end this episode. This is
35:01
probably the longest episode of Tent Talk. We've
35:04
ever done. I said it a little fast there. I did
35:07
say it a little fast there. Flock Doc, thanks
35:11
for being here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of
35:12
course. We can't do tent talk without the Flock
35:15
Doc. Wow, that was nice. Skol the ball, baby.
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