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The Late Debate | 25 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debate. Good evening and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the show. I'm Frehley.
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  Speaker 2: She joined by Jamie Rodgers and Joe Hildebrand, filling in
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  Speaker 2: for Calebond and James McPherson. Here's what's coming up on
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  Speaker 2: the Late Debate. Millions have signed a petition urging Florida
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  Speaker 2: to show leniency towards illegal migrant harranger Singh, who allegedly
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  Speaker 2: killed three people. Could you forgive someone who murdered your
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  Speaker 2: spouse while the husband of Aaron Patterson's victim thinks so? Plus,
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  Speaker 2: the United Health Services Union could derail Labour's attempt to
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  Speaker 2: reform the NDIS. Plus this weekend, thousands of people took
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  Speaker 2: to the streets around Australia protesting for Palestine. Someone carried
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  Speaker 2: around a noose and a sign calling for Albanesi Wong
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  Speaker 2: and Natan Yahoo to be executed for war crimes. There
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  Speaker 2: were countless Palestinian flags, Islamic flags and even a Hermas flag,
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  Speaker 2: but it's only when someone unfiled an Australian flag that
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  Speaker 2: they were arrested.
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  Speaker 3: It was peaceful, apart from one group of men with
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  Speaker 3: Australian flags throwing insults at March's police moving in swiftly
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  Speaker 3: and arresting a ringleader.
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  Speaker 2: Getting arrested for raising an Australian flag is the kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing you'd expect to see if we were under
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  Speaker 2: foreign occupation by I don't know, China or an Islamic caliphate.
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  Speaker 2: To see all these foreign flags on our streets, yet
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  Speaker 2: it's the Australian flag that gets someone arrested really makes
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  Speaker 2: you wonder who's truly in control of our streets. David
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  Speaker 2: chris A fully, the Queensland Premier, condemned the presence of
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  Speaker 2: her mass flags as horrendous.
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  Speaker 1: But Jamie, what.
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  Speaker 2: Will it actually take for the government to crack down
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  Speaker 2: on these protests?
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  Speaker 1: You're right, Freya.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we're at a point now where I think,
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  Speaker 3: rid of your crisis in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: What do we stand for?
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  Speaker 3: And when you see things like the Hamas flag being
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  Speaker 3: waived at a protest, that's not a peaceful protest. And
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  Speaker 3: whilst Anthony Alberanezi can keep saying that these are peaceful protests,
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  Speaker 3: where is he going to stand up and actually say no,
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  Speaker 3: enough's enough. We are making our Jewish community feel unsafe
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  Speaker 3: to live here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, where are.
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  Speaker 3: The banners out there saying release the hostages or hey Hamas,
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  Speaker 3: let's disarm and try and actually make the terrorist organization
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  Speaker 3: be held accountable for what's going on. And the fact
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  Speaker 3: that it's costing eleven million dollars in total now for
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  Speaker 3: all of these protests that we've seen, think.
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  Speaker 1: About where that money could have been spent.
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  Speaker 3: But instead every single Sunday we are seeing hatred fill
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  Speaker 3: out onto our streets. There is nothing peaceful about any
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  Speaker 3: of this. And I also was thinking on the weekend
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  Speaker 3: what about the businesses that are around these protests and
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  Speaker 3: how much it's impacting them as well. You heard the
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  Speaker 3: story about people getting abused Starbucks. I mean, enough is enough,
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  Speaker 3: and we need Anthony Abernezi and the leadership to stand
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  Speaker 3: up and say we've had it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think definitely anyone who's chanting death to the
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  Speaker 4: Ideaf or going around with pictures of the PM and
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  Speaker 4: a noose around his I mean that's obviously despicable. That
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  Speaker 4: is clear incitement to violence. I do not understand why
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  Speaker 4: it is so difficult to arrest and charge people who
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  Speaker 4: do this. Anyone likewise who is carrying a Hamas flag
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  Speaker 4: is openly supporting rape and murder and abduction, because that,
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  Speaker 4: of course is what took place on October seven, So
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  Speaker 4: again that should be a no brainer. I'm not comfortable
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  Speaker 4: with the idea of the government deciding who can or
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  Speaker 4: can't protest. Even though these protests, and I've written about
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  Speaker 4: them extensively, they are nauseating. They are run by absolute
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  Speaker 4: numpty trotty fools. They if anything, do more harm to
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  Speaker 4: the cause that they purport to serve. And they're not
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  Speaker 4: exactly They're not actually about helping Powis. I know about
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  Speaker 4: hurting Israel. And we know that because even after the
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  Speaker 4: PM said the Australian government would recognize Palistine, which is
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  Speaker 4: an enormous breakthrough for the pro Palestinian movement over decades.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, not these numpties who are going out and protesting.
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  Speaker 4: The protest you said, oh no, no, that's not what
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  Speaker 4: we want. We want sanctions against Israel because you know,
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  Speaker 4: Australia selves them what it's, you know, screws that might
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  Speaker 4: one day be put into some military equipment or something
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  Speaker 4: like just the bonkers bonkers bombers. I hear them say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we're selling them parts for f thirty five. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think we have any parts to spare. But the difficult
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  Speaker 4: thing is how do you You don't want the government.
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  Speaker 4: You don't want to be in a position where the
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  Speaker 4: government decides who can and can't protest, how often over
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  Speaker 4: what causes. And indeed, and I know the cost is
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  Speaker 4: just nauseating.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me say that when do the protesters have
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  Speaker 1: to start coughing up?
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  Speaker 4: But this is the other problem. But then if you say,
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  Speaker 4: all right, the protesters have to practice, then Clive Palmer
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  Speaker 4: can hold a protest every Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: But we live in a country where you can have
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  Speaker 3: free speech and you are allowed to protest. But I
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  Speaker 3: almost feel that they're doing their cause a disservice because
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  Speaker 3: they're annoying everyone else. So for themselves, why not do
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  Speaker 3: it once a month and actually have a bigger impact
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  Speaker 3: if that's what you're trying to achieve. Like, what is
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  Speaker 3: it that they want because on the weekend it was
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  Speaker 3: all very anti Elbow. Previously it's I mean, it's always
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  Speaker 3: anti Israel, but they're changing.
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  Speaker 4: Albo is doing the bidding of these guys. These guys
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  Speaker 4: are constantly I mean again, they're threatening, they're calling them the
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  Speaker 4: genocidal war all.
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  Speaker 2: So interestingly, the new South Wales Liberals have twice introduced
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  Speaker 2: a bill into New South Wales Parliament that would put
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  Speaker 2: a cap three protests a year on protest groups. And
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  Speaker 2: beyond that point you would have to pay for the
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  Speaker 2: police and all the resources, the millions of dollars that
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  Speaker 2: go into making these things safe, shutting down the city.
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  Speaker 2: I think they should also give compensation to businesses that
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  Speaker 2: are forced to close. But interestingly, and this is bad
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  Speaker 2: news for your friend Chris Mins Joe, you us, but
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  Speaker 2: he has shut it down twice now, and so why
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  Speaker 2: clicks for Syrius protested.
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  Speaker 4: Horrendously annoying as these people are, the principles at stake
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  Speaker 4: are simply too great. So I imagine, for example, if
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  Speaker 4: you had such a law and that there was a
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  Speaker 4: series of protests protesting against a horrendously corrupted criminal government
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  Speaker 4: and they said we're going to protest every day until
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  Speaker 4: the government resigns. On day three, the government that they're
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  Speaker 4: protesting against can just say, right, that's it, the way
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  Speaker 4: you go. You can't go home. And again, if if
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  Speaker 4: you are saying then you have to pay for the costs,
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  Speaker 4: you immediately give all the power to people who have
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  Speaker 4: woke billionaires. We'll get in it. You know, Jeff Bezos
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  Speaker 4: and George Soros, they will be the up before able
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  Speaker 4: you already do. I know that's what But the point
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  Speaker 4: is that that shouldn't be a requirement. So that happens
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  Speaker 4: enough in our democracy, but it shouldn't be the requirement.
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  Speaker 2: I understand the principle of it, but I also think
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  Speaker 2: that at this point, these protests gone so far beyond
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  Speaker 2: just a legitimate expression of outrage. Repeated terrast flags, repeated
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitic slurs, repeated calls for executions of political leaders.
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  Speaker 1: At what point? And I think we've reached that point.
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  Speaker 2: Where you just go, this is not about protesting, This
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  Speaker 2: is not even about helping Palestinians. This is just about
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  Speaker 2: letting hate take over our streets.
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  Speaker 1: And we can't stand for that here. No, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 3: And I think when you're seeing harmas flags and isis flags.
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  Speaker 1: Arrest h charge exactly an inciting hate.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we're seeing repeats of this in the UK where
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  Speaker 3: people that are holding up the UK flag are the
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  Speaker 3: ones getting arrested, like what we saw here with the
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  Speaker 3: Australian flag. So we need to have some serious implications
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  Speaker 3: for these people that are putting out these.
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  Speaker 4: UK and again UK police. Maybe they're going too crazy
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  Speaker 4: in some directions, but again they arrested and prosecuted the rapper,
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  Speaker 4: the Gaelic Irish nationalist rapper. I did not know that
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  Speaker 4: was a musical genre. Incidentally, until recently. Who pulled out
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  Speaker 4: the pulled out the hummus flag? I think was on
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  Speaker 4: at Glastonbury or sorry was band at Glastonbury had done
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  Speaker 4: so at a previous festival and they and they are
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  Speaker 4: being charged. I don't understand why we can't do that.
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  Speaker 4: If the dumb protesters want to waste their time, you
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  Speaker 4: know they should have to have a permit. But again,
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  Speaker 4: when you've got judges, they say it's find a protest
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  Speaker 4: on the harbor Bridge.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, well, luck do we have? All right?
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's change tach now and looking at IVF and
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  Speaker 3: the journey of single women who want to become mothers.
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  Speaker 3: One in ten who undergo IVF the cycle are single moms.
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  Speaker 3: And I think, guys, if we have a look at
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  Speaker 3: someone here who Stephanie Dale. So she didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: just wait for anyone to come along and have a baby.
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  Speaker 3: If we take a listen to her reasons behind why
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  Speaker 3: she wants to go, it alone.
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  Speaker 5: It was at that time where I had started to
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  Speaker 5: be a little bit more aware of my fertility and
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  Speaker 5: grieve the fact that you're not going to get that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, partner own family. That Once I was past that, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I decided to change paths and go down the path
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  Speaker 5: on my own.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that this is really great that we
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  Speaker 3: have this technology for women who when you get to
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  Speaker 3: an age, I mean, unlike men, women have a ticking
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  Speaker 3: clock when it comes to having children. You know, if
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  Speaker 3: you're over thirty five, you're classified as geriatric. And so
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  Speaker 3: if you are a female who desperately wants to have
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  Speaker 3: a baby, they are lucky to be got to go
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  Speaker 3: down this IVF path and have that there for them.
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  Speaker 3: And I say as well, when women are focusing on
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  Speaker 3: their careers these days and they are tending to have
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  Speaker 3: families later in life, you don't necessarily want to just
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  Speaker 3: partner with anyone because you're stuck with that person for
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  Speaker 3: the rest of your life even if it doesn't work out.
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  Speaker 1: So at least they can go out alone and they
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  Speaker 1: have that option.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel really conflicted about this one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, firstly, there are so many ethical implications with
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  Speaker 2: IVF What happens to all the free and embryos that
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  Speaker 2: aren't used. There are millions of frozen embryos sitting on ice.
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  Speaker 2: We covered a story on the Late Debate a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years, a couple of weeks ago about an embryo
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  Speaker 2: that was frozen in the nineties and used to create
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  Speaker 2: a healthy baby today.
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  Speaker 1: And that's an example where you.
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  Speaker 2: Have been able to save the embryo and it's resulted
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  Speaker 2: in a baby, which is beautiful for a family. But
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  Speaker 2: there are millions of others that are just sitting there.
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  Speaker 2: So what are we doing with all these embryos? That's
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  Speaker 2: my first question. And also, even if technology can delay
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  Speaker 2: the result of social breakdown, does that necessarily make it good.
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  Speaker 2: Why are women getting to their late thirties in such
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  Speaker 2: numbers one in ten IVF babies, which is that two
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  Speaker 2: thousand a year in Australia. Why are so many women
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  Speaker 2: getting to their late thirties without having found a partner?
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  Speaker 3: And for me, why, I've got friends, I've gone through
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  Speaker 3: this journey and I had one that was in a
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  Speaker 3: very long term relationship. They got married and then a
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  Speaker 3: few years later some things happened with the gentleman we
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  Speaker 3: weren't going.
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  Speaker 1: To details dirty dog.
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  Speaker 3: But she was then in her late thirties and now
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  Speaker 3: suddenly single, and so what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: You want to have a child.
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  Speaker 3: And for a female, luckily she had frozen some of
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  Speaker 3: her eggs, so it's an option. But for women, they
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  Speaker 3: don't have that luxury to just sit there like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'll just wait another five years to have another person
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  Speaker 3: come along and find a guy that I might not like.
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  Speaker 4: And this is like men later, you know, spoiler, where
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  Speaker 4: are aresholes? Like's more selfish children ourselves. We often don't
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  Speaker 4: want to have babies. I did. But my sister in
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  Speaker 4: law went through the exact same thing. So she would
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  Speaker 4: have loved her have a baby with someone, but couldn't
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  Speaker 4: find the right guy for whatever reason, and decided that
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  Speaker 4: she was just going to do it on her own.
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  Speaker 4: And she had not. Actually it's not on her because
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  Speaker 4: she had a huge amount of what he's a really,
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  Speaker 4: really hard thing to do. And she is an incredibly
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  Speaker 4: lucky position where she's got you know, a mom who's
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  Speaker 4: she's the math, who helps take care of her when
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  Speaker 4: she works and stuff, and obviously she's got may as
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  Speaker 4: a kind of the honorary honorary sort of step dad
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  Speaker 4: who's the greatest dad in the world, and we say
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  Speaker 4: the baby's always our house and we're all sort of
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  Speaker 4: one big tried now. But it is, it's a massive undertake.
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  Speaker 1: It's a massive undertake.
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  Speaker 3: And it's also not easy to do to go and
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  Speaker 3: get like a sperm donor is off in a twelvemonth wait,
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  Speaker 3: So it's not something you can just decide tomorrow to
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  Speaker 3: go and do. So you do need to think about
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  Speaker 3: it and go through quite an extensive process.
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  Speaker 2: And I think there is though I must say this,
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  Speaker 2: I think there is a trend of people putting off childbearings.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we've seen.
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  Speaker 2: People are delaying when they start a family, and then naturally,
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  Speaker 2: with biology, the older you get, the harder it is
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  Speaker 2: to become pregnant. So the average age for first time
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  Speaker 2: mothers now is early thirties. Yeah, now, fifty years ago
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  Speaker 2: it was your early twenties. That's when you're biologically most
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  Speaker 2: able to actually have children. So part of me also
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  Speaker 2: thinks IVF IS is good for people who unfortunately find
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  Speaker 2: themselves in this position where they can't naturally conceive. But
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  Speaker 2: are we just putting a band aid on a broader
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  Speaker 2: societal problem, which is that women feel like they can't
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  Speaker 2: actually have children when they are biologically able to and
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  Speaker 2: even want to. The average age women want to have
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  Speaker 2: their first child is about twenty seven, yet most don't
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  Speaker 2: until they're thirties.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot going on. I think one is,
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  Speaker 4: you know, what they often call the great live sort
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  Speaker 4: of second wave of feminism, that you can have it all,
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  Speaker 4: the baby, the career and everything. And women often talk
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  Speaker 4: about this, they all right, got my career better down,
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  Speaker 4: now it's time to have a baby, and suddenly you know, ticking,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you're ticking time bomb has gone off. And
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  Speaker 4: there's probably another. I think there's another thing with the
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  Speaker 4: cost of living crisis now, where people think I need
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  Speaker 4: to be able to afford a house to buy my
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  Speaker 4: first time, settle down somewhere and then I can have that.
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  Speaker 4: And by the time you've done that, you're probably getting
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  Speaker 4: a bit long in the tooth. And we're seeing even
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  Speaker 4: just you know how, like so the number of families,
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  Speaker 4: there's actually all this data on this, The number of
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  Speaker 4: families in inner city's suburbs is going down, down, down
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  Speaker 4: and down, and it gets and basically the closer you
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  Speaker 4: get into the CBD, the fewer families there are, and
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  Speaker 4: the further you go out, the more young families there are.
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  Speaker 4: And it's because these are the only places that people
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  Speaker 4: can afford to have kids. And so again that means
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  Speaker 4: you know, taking time to be able to afford to
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  Speaker 4: create the environment that you're having the kid into.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, but part of me also thinks Jamie like,
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  Speaker 1: it is also.
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  Speaker 4: Just the devil's work, and it's all the downlad side.
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  Speaker 1: It's an honesty thing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think young women are told the truth, which
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  Speaker 2: is that you actually don't have that flow. You basically
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  Speaker 2: have your twenties to find a partner and then you
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  Speaker 2: better get to having babies pretty quickly before time runs out.
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  Speaker 1: And I think if we.
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  Speaker 2: Were just a little bit more honest with people do
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  Speaker 2: we could avoid some of these pains.
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  Speaker 4: That's absolutely right. So in other words, it's all the
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  Speaker 4: fault of the youth, and not just that because the
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  Speaker 4: youth are also lazy. Yes, the new reporters come out
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  Speaker 4: today that it's found that one of the biggest handbrakes
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  Speaker 4: on productivity is young people who were refusing to move
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  Speaker 4: around for jobs. So mobility, we all thought that you know,
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  Speaker 4: members are going to be you know, the gig economy,
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  Speaker 4: and young people weren't going to stay in the same
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  Speaker 4: job and they were going to hop from job to job,
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  Speaker 4: a job in place to place to place to place. Well,
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  Speaker 4: they might be hopping from job to job, but they're
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  Speaker 4: not hopping from place to place. And this is what
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  Speaker 4: the Productivity Commission says is one of the big things.
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  Speaker 4: So mobility has generally increased as we've gone through the decades,
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  Speaker 4: and I thought, oh, that's great, We're becoming more efficient.
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  Speaker 4: You know, people aren't bettered into jobs, and it means
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  Speaker 4: it is more choice from employers and employees to find
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  Speaker 4: the job to which they're best suited. But now suddenly
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  Speaker 4: that's not happening. And the mobility, yes, it remains lower
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  Speaker 4: for older workers as you'd expect, five percent for those
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  Speaker 4: over forty five because speaking from experience, they all have arthritis.
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  Speaker 4: But it's ten percent for twenty five to forty four
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  Speaker 4: year old but that is lower than what it was.
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  Speaker 4: So between the mid ninety nineties, overall mobility rates have
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  Speaker 4: dropped ten percent a year for fifteen to twenty four
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  Speaker 4: year olds, so it's it's now so in nine Hineo
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  Speaker 4: five mobility rates for twenty two percent fifteen to twenty
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  Speaker 4: four year olds. They're now almost half that at thirteen percent.
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  Speaker 4: So those dirty gen z I don't even know what
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  Speaker 4: we're up to anymore. The dirty gen Z's right, and
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  Speaker 4: the you know, then whatever last generation's gen z's are
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  Speaker 4: now that might be me. I'm letting us all down
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  Speaker 4: because they're not moving around or are they not able
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  Speaker 4: to move around because they all still living with their
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  Speaker 4: parents because they can't afford to move out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like that's definitely one factor. People aren't
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  Speaker 1: as able to move for jobs because they're concerned about
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  Speaker 1: cost of living. Also, I think a lot of young
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  Speaker 1: people are.
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  Speaker 2: Too anxious to actually apply for a job, and the
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: fear of rejection is really high. And then another factor
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: probably is that people are staying in university for longer.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: So now people are doing your four year undergrad, your
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: two year masters. They're not even proper in the workforce
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: until they're mid to late twenties, so people probably aren't
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: as focused on career progression in those early years.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: But long time, it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Does spell trouble for our economy because typically you rely
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: on people moving jobs, so they bring the skills they've learned,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: they bring new processes, they add to.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: The new environment.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: If that's not happening, and I mean, either we have
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: a generation of lazy people or just highly anxious young people,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: which I think is more.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: What's happening here, it's going to be bad. Well.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Is it also something to do with the fact with
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: social media? I mean, Joe, we were talking about this
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: on the show yesterday for the Sunday Showdown about how
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Sydney's nightlife is dying because people would rather be on
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: their phones and they don't have the confidence to actually
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: go out and talk to people in real life instead
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: of just being on your device. So is that what's
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: happening here is you're too scared to be able to
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: go to your boss and have those tough conversations because
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: it's awkward if you want to be able to get
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: a pay rise or a promotion. And so I think
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: that's probably contributing to this anxious, depressed and stress is
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: what's quoted within that article that was just show them previously.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: But I also am wondering is there something to do
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: with the fact that now this is obviously decades in
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: the making, but in the past two years, how we've
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: seen this influx of that non market sector roles. So
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: eighty percent of new jobs that were created is in
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: that non market sector. So are you going to be
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: fighting in the private sector for a role and have
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: the pay rises or would you rather be working in
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: NDAs and looking after cases. So I think that's probably
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: something to do with this.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: As well of where people jobs well potentially.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: So it's a very interesting but quite concerning and it's
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: a shame it wasn't come up at the roundtable last.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Week, I think one of the really interesting things. And
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: this is something I know. I've definitely heard it from
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: employers anecdotally. I'm not sure if there's any actual data
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: on it, but young people are constantly asking for feedback,
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: so that anxiety that you mentioned. Young workers are constantly
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: asking for feedback as to how they're doing. And I've
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: heard it first hand myself. And you know, there's the
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: lovely kids who just want to know they're doing a
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: good job. So they're far from lazy, they're really conscientious,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: but they need to be told that they're doing a
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: good job, it seems, and a lot of employers like
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: just you know, just keep going and you know, you'll
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: find out when you're doing something wrong. Then you'll get feedback.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: But the other thing is in the social media thing
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: that you raise, So there is actual research out there.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: I spoke to a psychologist who literally wrote the book
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: on this. Social media stops you hampers your ability to
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: interact with real people because it sets up this really
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: basic kind of binary sort of reward system where you
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: post something, people like it, you get to like, they
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: don't like it, you don't get a like, And so
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: that sort of sort of conditions people to put really
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: basic and that's where you get sort of origins of virtue. Signally,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: you know, how terrible is it what's happening in Pakistan
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: or today I took some time out just for me,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: or you know, every morning I think for myself, you
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: know whatever those horrible positivity crap you see on Instagram is.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: But that again, that that is going to make it
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: difficult in a workplace environment. It probably makes having face
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: to face job interviews confrontational. The other thing is maybe
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: there's just not enough unemployment, because if there are enough
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: jobs around, then people are going to Obviously, I mean
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: I never leave the house unless someone puts a gun
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: to my head or to come on this show.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Of course, no, I think all those factors are definitely
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: playing a role, and ultimately I think it is because
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: jen Z is extremely.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Anxious and change is hard.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: But let's move on now to the mushroom murderer, Aaron Patterson.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: She had her sentencing hearing today and she's probably going
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: to get life in prison, but really the debate is
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: coming down to whether she gets a parole period, so
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: after a certain amount of years.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Could she potentially walk free again.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: But one of the most interesting parts of this hearing
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: was the victim impact statement from pastor Ian Wilkinson. He's
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the husband to victim Heather, and he said this, in
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: regards to the many harms done to me, I make
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: an offer of forgiveness to Erin. I say harms, I
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: say harms done to me. I have no power or
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: responsibility to forgive harms done to others. In regards to
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the murder of heathern, Gail and Don I am compelled
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to seek justice. However, I encourage Erin to receive my
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: offer of forgiveness for those harms done to.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Me, with full confession and repentance.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I bear her no ill will my prayer for her
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: is that she will use her time in jail wisely
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to become a better person. Now I am no longer
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson's victim. She has become the victim.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Of my kindness.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, I mean moving powerful words from Pastor Ian Wilkinson there.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I mean clearly you can see his Christian faith shining
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: through in that, because the doctrine of forgiveness is at
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the core of Christianity and he is embodying that in
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that statement. But to be able to say to the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: woman who murdered your wife, I forget giving you. You
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: are now a victim of my forgiveness. I'm not a
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: victim of yours. That's so moving and I think really
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: liberating for the pasta.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think he's definitely a better person
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: than I am, because I could never look the killer
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: in the eyes and say that I forgive you. But
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: then you know, you always do. Hear that saying as
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: well that by you holding on to that hate, it
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: actually eats you inside it And she will move on
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: with her life, well, move on within the realms of
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the four walls in inside of the cell.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: But it also reminds me of.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: That Abdullah family, Danny Amdullah, who forgave the drug driver
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: who killed three of his children, and the cousin and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: so these people are just so strong in their ability
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: to move past really serious and sad incidents that's happened
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: to them.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And one of the.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Interesting things we've seen with the Aaron Pattison case is,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and I think you've talked about this, Joe, the double
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: standard we have when it's a female offender versus male offender,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: and the natural sympathy. A lot of people feel her
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: she's a triple murderer, like you shouldn't fel sympathy was
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a male Would anyone be saying that? And so I
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: want to read you. One of the judge in this
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: instance said, of course Aaron Patterson's case is horrendous, But
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: then he expressed concern about the conditions of Pattison's custody,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: saying that she'd already spent up to twenty two hours
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: a day in a cell, and he said that's not
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: very humane. Ah, I think what's not very humane is
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: murdering people with beef Wellington's I wouldn't be so concerned
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: about the conditions of her jail And Australian jails are
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: better than the most around the world.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I got a bird.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Life in prison anywhere you want to do it in Australia. Yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: it is a phenomena. I mean there's something I think.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: She cuts such an incredibly pathetic figure, and I think
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: that just triggered something in people. And again there was
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: that ridiculous decision, thankfully reversed by the ABASA to not
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: show a picture of her in Anguish, even though you
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: can't imagine any other triple murderer, certainly not a male
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: triple murderer ever getting that kind of consideration. But I
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: think she projects such a kind of pathos and such
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: such a wretched kind of figure that you do, like,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: like Ian Wilkinson, sort of think she just looks like
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: a broken human being, someone who has just failed at life.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: But it's interesting, but said, He says that he forgives
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: her for the harms done to him, like making him very,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: very sick. But he also says, I can't speak on
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: behalf of others, including his wife Heather, and it's just
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: it is a huge sort of thing to do. But
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: it's interesting, he says, we'll hang on. No, she's dead,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: it's up to her to forgive her from wherever she
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: is now. I can't actually do that, And he spoke
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: very movingly about how he felt ever since, he just
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: felt half alive without his wife there. But I want
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: to ask you free as a because you're the daughter
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: of a clergyman, daughter of a minister, an Anglican minister,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: so you're almost proper, but you know, not quite just
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: become high Anglican. But no, but you're sure that your
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: father would have these conversations with you about these great
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: moral quandaries. And what do you do? I mean, Jesus said,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: turn the other cheek. Would you be able to do it?
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: Though?
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: In real life? Face with it?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's one of those things you
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: don't know how you would react in real life.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: But I would hope.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: That in this sort of situation, God forbid it ever
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: did happen, I would act the way Passy and Wilkinson had.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And no, my dad went through horrific things as a
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: child and has it extremely dysfunctional family background, and the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: way he's been able to move on and break the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: cycle of dysfunction is by forgiving. And even though it
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't remove the pain and the hurt, it does set
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: you free in a way because you can release the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: resentment you feel.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And so I don't know, but who knows, Right, I.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Can't forgive my wife and not stacking to diswatch it properly,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: so I'm probably a fair way off.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Well, let's take a look now at the alb and
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Easy government. Going into the last election, they did have
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: a promise that they would have five percent deposits for
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: first home buyers. Well, fast forward to now and that's
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: going to be coming out in October. Let's take a
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: listen to what the Prime Minister has to say about
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: this new idea.
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: This will make a difference for tens of thousands of
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: additional homes. These measures, together with our Housing Australia Future Fund,
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: our Build to Rent Scheme, our Shared Equity Scheme, are
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: all about delivering increased supply, but also delivering increased home ownership,
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: increase affordable rentals and increased public housing and affordable housing
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: as well.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, so look, I think.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: This sounds great, but this is such a band aid
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: solution and I think it doesn't solve the issue of
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: the fact that we don't have enough supply in this country.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: And ultimately this is now going to drive an influx
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: of people able to now go and buy a property,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: which I think is they're going to make the prices
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: go up even.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Further, but getting so John Howard's first home bise Grant
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: did the same thing. The prices went up, but people
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: were still able to get in. So the prices going
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: up wasn't walking people out of the might have been
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: making housing more expensive, but it wasn't making it less
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: affordable because people had the upfront money they need. So
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: what a great policy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Fantastic, let's go on and it's such a great policy.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: It was actually a liberal policy that labor copied and expanded.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: But again I think you're right, Jamie.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Unless you address the fundamentals of more supply and less
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to mind from immigration, it won't really.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Do anything exactly and expanded by removing the means test
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: because they're so aspirational. So there you go. You're welcome,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Liberal party. Let's get on to another labor party. This
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: is the UK Labor Party and they are and yes,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: this is a bit of a case of deja vu.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: In a war with Elon musk over online regulation, now
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Elon Musks X has lashed out a Home Office backed
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: scheme that is the UK's kind of big security ministry.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: The executives at except Bristle of voluntary code of conduct
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: being developed by the Violence Prevention Network. We should get
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: one of those in Australia because we've got violence here,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: so we just get a violence prevention network that could
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: make it all go away.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Why don't we think Karen is already und.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: So this is a new scheme is about to be
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: endorsed by the Starma Labor government and basically what it
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: tries to do is identify warning signs or risk factors
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: online extremism and Elon Musk and Twitter. Twitter. I still
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: call it Twitter because I can't think everyone yeah that's
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: right saying no, no, no, this is going to curb free speech.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: So should the government be able to identify and tackle little,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: you know, German little sort of embryonic terrorists or is
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: that freedom of speech discuss Well?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I think the problem here is the capacity for the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: government to manipulate these codes and these standards is just
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: so great. We've seen it here with our own Ear
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Safety Commissioner ordering global takedown bands over pieces of content
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and it just gets absurd.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And keep in mind the UK government.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Lists cultural nationalism, which they define as the belief that
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Western culture is under threat from mass immigration. That is
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: classified as extremist ideology.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: By the UK government.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: So what's the chances that this is actually just used
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: to shut down dissenting voices and clamp down on the
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: right wing of the UK, which we know the government
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: is scared of because look at the protests that they're
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: seeing around the country.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Well, it's going down a very slippery slope because you
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: see in the UK I was having quick look at
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: some of the stats and thirty people a day get
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: arrested based on whether to sharing a tweet or a cartoon.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: That the government doesn't necessarily agree with.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: And one woman who was just about her life and
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: she shared an immigration tweet. Next thing there was a
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: knock on the door and she spent twenty four hours
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: in a jail cell. So I think when you're then
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: bringing in things like this, I can see what they're
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: trying to do in terms of making sure you can
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: alleviate any Islamic extremism amongst the youth. But we're just
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: crossing a very fine line when it comes to free
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: speech and keeping the government.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Out of our lives.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And Europe has some serious problems a US tourist. I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: think he needs to be nominated for Citizen of the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Year or something. He was a good Smaritan and he
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: came to the aid of a woman who was being
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: allegedly assaulted in Germany by allegedly a Syrian migrant, and
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: he got stabbed.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: This is him.
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: Three minutes that man assaulted that young woman yesterday will
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: be released from custody. He'll be released from custody because
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: he's not a citizen of Germany. If they could do
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: this to the people of Germany and then just released
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: twelve hours later, even least at this point, where's the law,
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: where's the structure.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely outrageous, and things like that are happening across
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Europe all the time.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: But you might remember a couple of.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Weeks ago we talked to you about this story of
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: an illegal migrant named Hajjingissingh who moved to the US
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: from India illegally, got a license in California, a sanctuary stage,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and then did an illegal u turn on a road
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: in Florida that tragically killed three people.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Here it is from Fox News, all right.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: An illegal migrant has now been charged after his truck
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: jackknife a mini van while making an illegal U turn,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: killing the three people inside the van. The migrant, who
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: is believed to have crossed the border illegally in twenty eighteen,
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: was granted a commercial driver's license by the state of California.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: He now faces vehicular homicide charge and deportation.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: So get this.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: A petition has been put up online calling for the
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: courts to show leniency to him, and it's received two
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: point five million signatures. Yeah, two point five million signatures
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: for what was a horrendous, stupid, unthinkable tragedy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Look for all those activists who are opposed to Donald
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Trump's deportation scheme, I don't think this is the poster
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: boy you want your cause. I'm pretty sure that you
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: can find someone who is a better contributor to peace
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: and justice and social cohesion in the US than a
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: bloke who to my And again, this was the sign
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: that they were showing that he apparently couldn't read because
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: he was spect English or whatever. That was one of
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: the narratives going around. But the sign was just a
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: arrow of a U turn with a big red line
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: through it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It seemed pretty No, it was absurd to think that
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: two point five million people are calling for leniency this
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: guy that took the lives of three people senselessly. But
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: also in the US lefties are really melting down. But
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: now people are taking up arms, it seems against Ice agents.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Check this out.
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: Talking with the homeless people out here, they're getting ready tonight, man,
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: they got baseball bats, knives.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Some of them are armed.
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: Actually, So like, if Ice comes in here, man, the
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: one that I was talking with you said, if they
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: come and try to me, he's already he's already going
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: to shoot.
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: You don't care.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: The homeless people or the people they're trying to deport
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: have knives and baseball bats. Apparently, when will people learn
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: that enforcing the law is actually what.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: The government is here to do. Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I don't understand all of these protests over in the US,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: especially when Donald Trump is trying to combat crime and
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: stop the homelessness and ultimately just make the place better
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: and people are out there protesting his crackdown on removing
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: illegal immigrants and trying to reduce crime.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand what am I missing?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Joe, Well, this is the thing. So John Trump says, Oh,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I know all these illegal immigrants, they're causing crime, they're
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: you know, they're they're a drag on the economy. And
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: again the activist response to this is said, well, know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: all these homeless illegal immigrants are going to take their
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: illegal weapons and shoot anyone who tries to support them.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: On the basis that they are not contributing to the
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: economy and that they are causing an increase in crime,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: it makes no sense beyond are better spokesman in.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Washington, this same crowd of just useless, pathetic, diluted lefties,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: we're also out protesting Trump's takeover.
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: Fine, and this the moment we'll determine how this federal
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: takeover will play out in cities found like do you.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Seem to be a playground form like gentrifiering and developers.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And they spend that the mayor popular.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Kind of a weak crowd, i would say, And the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: same class of university activists and white kids who really
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: don't have any serious problems to be concerned about. So
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: they're out in the middle of the day protesting law
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and order. But again, the Democrats need to realize that
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: opposing law enforcement is not a winning strategy. In fact,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: this is one way to guarantee that they lose forever.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I just love that Donald Trump is coming out
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: and saying he'll be sending national troops to other parts
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: of the US after it was seemed to be pretty
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: successful in Washington from when you see some of the
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: tweets that are going around and pictures of what's coming
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: out of Washington. But the mayor of Chicago is certainly
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: not happy about the idea of Donald Trump sending troops
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: to his area.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: In fact, can have listened to what he has to say.
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: The city of Chicago does not need a military occupied state.
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: That is, that's not who we are. And commend the
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: work of Mayor Bass, my colleague, and you know all
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: the folks in Los Angeles who stood up and fought,
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: you know, against this, you know, authoritarianism.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: So the mayor thinks that by sending the troops this
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: is going to inflame tensions.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Can we just Chicago mayors get so soft? You know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: they used to be the tough guys, what having the
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: likes of Mayor Daily, who in nineteen sixty eight at
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: the Democrat Convention sent the cops out to go and
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: crack some hippie skulls. And he was a Democrat. That's
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: what I want to say from my Chicago mayors. You
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: know someone who's not afraid to, you know, take a
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: sip of whiskey in the morning and to crack some
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: undergrad skulls in the afternoon.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: The Democrats are full of soy boys or oh mum,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Danny lost a bench press challenge the other day.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It's just full of pathetic men.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: But coming up after the break, the Health Services Union
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: could derail Labour's NDIS reforms and one lefty throws a tantrum.
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  Speaker 1: You won't want to miss. Welcome back to the show.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Let's get into the papers, so you get tomorrow's front
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: pages today and let's start with The Australian, where a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: headline definitely caught our eye slash green tape to hit
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty five. Tiget industry is worned the Albanesi government.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: It needs to fix environmental approvals if it wants to
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: adopt an ambitious twenty thirty five emissions reduction target. As
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Labour aims to sideline the Greens and strike a deal
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: with the Coalition on reforming green tape rules by the
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: end of the year, Environment Minister Murray Watt on Tuesday,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: will outline a plan to introduce a bill into Parliament
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: by the end of the year to reform the Environmental
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Protection and Buy Diversity Conservation Act, broadly in line with
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: the recommendations from a twenty twenty report led by Graham
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Samuel Jamie.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: No question about the fact that we need to improve
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: environmental approvals.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Things are taking way too long, not just for green
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: energy projects but for mining projects as well.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: But I hate to say.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: It, I don't think any sped up approvals time is
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: going to help us reach this twenty thirty five target.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty much impossible.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to agree with you there. And within
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: this article it does say that Chris Bowen is going
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: to be announcing a new target, but more so like
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: a range. So we're looking at maybe like a sixty
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: five to seventy five percent range.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Rather than a specific target.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Oh that's solved, then, fantastic. I actually remember when the
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: new South Wales government many many moons ago was able
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: to get more trains running on time by changing the
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: definition of on time running that they just widened the
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: ray within which a trade could arrive to be considered
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: on time. Suddenly, you know, one hundred percent of trains
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: run time. That's policy making.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: That's classic government for you as well well. Also in
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: the Australian Tomorrow, the headline is Forest goes cold on
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: getting a leg up. Andrew Forest's private mining company says
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: the Albanezy government must avoid picking winners and subsidizing their
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: losers in trying to boost the rare earth sector. The
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Forest family owned Wylou said the government's move to set
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a floor price for rare earths was admirable, but must
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: include a mechanism to pay back financial support from taxpayers.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the whole green industry is about picking
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: winners and subsidizing them. Think about green hydrogen, think about quantity.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: It's such a young mind becomes so cynical. Yes, I
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: think I think that the great heart isn't the Albanezi
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: government try to get some of the get back some
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: of the money that it gave. Yes, Forest cofies for
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: green hydrogens. You've got to admire Trigg. He's never going
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: to die. I'm wondering he's going to say, Oh, I
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: like him as fine. I don't know if you want
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: to be subsidizing those other that's good. I like his
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: I like his quick.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Spar I like the style well.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Also in the Australian Tomorrow, Union's one billion dollar worker
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: crisis plan risks NDIS reforms, the Health Services Union is
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: putting a one billion dollar hurdle in front of Labour's
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: NDIS reforms, telling the Albanezi government it must commit to
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a new compact to stem the kera's workforce crisis if
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: it has any hope of enacting its proposed changes to
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the six forty six billion dollar scheme. In the wake
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: of Health and Disability Minister Mark Butler's announcing the eligibility
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to the scheme will change and a new two billion
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: dollar system of services outside the NDIS will be set
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: up for autistic children, unions and providers will meet in
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Canberra to discuss the looming exodus of workers from the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: disability sector. I understand their concern, but at the same
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: time time, what is interesting about the NDIS sector is
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: you don't actually need any qualifications to be a carer,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: so you have a lot of people with no qualifications
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: and in quite good money, sucking people out of other
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: care sectors like childcare nursing because it's so much easier
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to go into the ndis they need to rein it in.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, we can't have a program that's going to be
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: costing close to fifty billion every year and continue to skyrocket, so.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: We need to be raining it in.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I can see where there are concerns in terms of
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: the lack of support and cares that are on the program,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: So we just need to ensure that the money is
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: going into the right spots because right now.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a really interesting one because the Health
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Services Unit is head by a guy called Jared Hayes,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: is very very smart, very influential in the Labor Party
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: in New South Wales in particular, hails from the right
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: of the party, so from the opposite side of Mark Butler.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: But the HSU represents all the actual qualified healthcare workers,
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: so they would see themselves in opposition to all these
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: cowboys who have flooded the system recently who we're trying
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: to get rid of.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: So it's it's going to be a very very interesting
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: stat Well, let's have a look at the camera times
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: now and there's calls for Bimburi cameras. So for youth detention,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the watchdog wants body worn devices after unacceptable incident reportings.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: So this prison watchdog wants the body worn cameras in
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Camera's Youth Detention Center, where the oversight of using force
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: against young people has been unacceptable. Body worn cameras have
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: not been used at the center before, but the ACT
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: government said it would consider deploying them. Two incidents in
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: which officers at the Youth Justice Center use force against
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: a detained young person raised significant concerns. The ACT National
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Preventative Mechanism said after its first visit to the center,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: the significant and sustained increase of young people in detention
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: had created pressure and affected their ability to uphold the
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: rights and wellbeing of young people.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I don't mind the fact that they have body cameras on.
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: I don't.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I don't see what the problem is because you can
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: report everything that's going on police.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: The most camera thing ever, that they've decided that officers
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: should be made to wear body cameras not for their
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: own protection but for that of the inmates. Like it is,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: it is just quintessential camera. Oh, I love it anyway
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: over to somewhere that is most definitely not camera. Although
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: the same woman did leave me to go to both
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: cities and never really came back. Anyway to the Towns
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Bill bulletin now and this is Taipan crash, a cover up,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: A very very sad story by mad when I say, mate,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: I've met him once and we follow each other on Instagram.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: But Jim Jeffrey is very very funny man, nothing to
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: laugh about in this one though. He has absolutely slammed
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: the Australian government over the findings of this chopper tragedy
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: that killed a guy, Lieutenant Max Newten, who happens to
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: be he's net or happened to be his nephew, which
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: gives you an idea of how old we've all gotten.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: So this was a crash that took place in twenty
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: twenty three just off the coast of Queensland in the
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: with Sundays. I think there were four of them in
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: the crew that died. And it has now emerged that
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: there have been no there will be no charges laid
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: over anyone. And Jim Jefferies has come out and said
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: he said this is a cover up the government. This
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: is clearly cover up. No one's been held to account.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Maybe they are trying to protect the Defense Force. Maybe
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: accidents just happened, but a very very very sad story.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely heartbreaking and they were so young, just unbelievable.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Well over in Tasmania in the mercury glass and a
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: half empty Tasmania's one see what they did? Zella Chocolate
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Dream moves ahead minus the fountain. Cadbury's long awaited chocolate
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: experience has cleared a major hurdle, but the biggest talking
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: point is what's missing.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: The world's tallest chocolate fountain.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Once built as a headline act, this spectacle has melted
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: from the plans, leaving chocoholics with a sour taste. That
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: is sad there will be no chocolate fountain, But I'm
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: pretty excited about a chocolate experience in Tasmania.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, we don't have a chocolate fountain, but
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: is that the end of the world. We have a
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: delicious chocolate experience.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Is the point of having a chocolate factory without the
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: world's tallest chocolate fountain? Have you guys not read Willy Wonka?
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: It's got to have You can't just be making the chocolate.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: But you know, forced labor from Wigans and I don't know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: are you going to have a bit of pizaz?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: You got to have world's tallest chocolate chocolate fountain, Tasmania
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: is not famous or attractive enough on its own, but
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: coming up after the break an insane lefty meltdown plus
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the male cheerleaders that are divining the NFL sick around,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. Well, there are some people
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: whose existed reminds us why we have stereotypes, because often
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: they're true.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Check this out.
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: People shouldn't have to work to prove their value team.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: In fact, people shouldn't have to work.
• 46:14
  Speaker 10: People should want to work, and I want to.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Work and I do work, but it's like.
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: No amount of working reserveility enough to prove that I'm
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: not disabled, and no amount of work is going to
• 46:33
  Speaker 10: make me not disabled.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: If she was in Australia, she wouldn't have to work
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: because she be on the NDI.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: S not great? Is that you're proud, doesn't it?
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just backed. I don't know what the fingernails.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: It's the whole commons alone be able to handle any
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: one aspect of that sort of vision, but it's the
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: whole thing put together. And think, you know what, when
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: you said you know whose very existence proves why we
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: have and then you said stereotypes, I was so sure
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: you were going to say natural selection. That would have
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: been completely inappropriate. So that speaks that reflects poorly on Well.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Let's head now to the US, where some NFL cheerleaders
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: have caused quite the storm. So this is over where
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: there's bit of twelve teams now have started to have
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: male cheerleaders. But take a look at this clip and
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: see if you think this is controversial.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Fresh off the minding. No man, not a man, not
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: a fighting.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: So why this is causing a storm is those two
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: male cheerleaders behind those two women.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: They're in the ladies'.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Bathroom, so apparently the boys followed the girls into the bathroom.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: People have then said, and look, I have no issue
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: with male cheerleaders. I think it's greatly that they not.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's great.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Who's going to throw the girls up and they flick
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: in the air and all that.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Sort of stuff. But this is the problem.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I have no issues with males doing all star cheerleading,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: which I did when I lived in Canada, where you
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: actually have stunts and flips and backfoots and everything.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: But NFL cheerleading is just dancing.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: No one wants to see some very camp men prancing
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: around a football field.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: It's just weird.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: That's fine, But I do have an issue with them
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: following there women into the bathroom. I know they were
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: just doing a TikTok video, but we are in a
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: time in the world right now where we're.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Trying to protect or contentional and everything. But no, I
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: think I want my male cheerleaders to be camp. I mean,
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: you're not going to have a chance with the female
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: cheerleaders if they're not. You know what I'm saying. The
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: last thing you want is you know, I diff the
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: quarterback in there.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I get you.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Again, I'm the only person thinking clearly about this thing. Okay,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: And speaking of my pantheon of comedian friends, Dave Hughes,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: another Made of Mind lovely bloke. Dave Hughes is called
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: on the AFL to acts Grand Final entertainer Snoop Dog
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: over homophobic podcast comments. Dave Hughes have said this after
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: the American rapper made controversial comics about same sex couples
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: the same day that Isaac Rank He was slapped with
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: a four week band is Adelaide Crowe's player for making
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: a homophobic slur. Now this was him calling another player
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: something and now Snoop Dogg, who's had the same word
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: in previous songs of his is playing at the AFL
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Grand Final and Hughesy says that's not funny at all,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: and if there's one guy knows funny, it's Dave Hughes Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Well, that's all we have time for tonight, but stay
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: tuned because the Red of Panney Show is up next