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The Counterintuitive Key to a Life-First Solopreneur Business · The Life-First Solopreneur

• 0:00
  Carly Ries: People obsess over the financial floor for rent, bills, the bare minimum, you name it, while treating the ceiling as infinite. But is more always better? In this episode, Joe and I unpack a LinkedIn post that struck a nerve, setting an income ceiling, not just a floor. So how do you define enough? As it turns out, it's less about landing on a magic number and more about asking what each new level of income would cost you.
• 0:23
  Your time, your health, the people that you'd miss out on, and so on. Joe even shares the story of turning down a million dollar offer that didn't fit the plan. A heads up, this isn't a work two hours hit the beach pitch. Building a business around your life still takes real work. It just keeps life as the North Star.
• 0:42
  You're listening to the Life First Solopreneur, the podcast for those in pursuit of a life first business. I'm Carly Ries, and my cohost, Joe Rando, and I spend every episode with solopreneurs who are proving there's a better way to run a one person business and experts who are helping make it happen. We like to say life first, then business. So let's get right to it. Okay. I feel like I keep alluding to my LinkedIn post, but honestly, the things that I've been writing on LinkedIn are things that I'm actually experiencing in real time and that I'm, reflecting on with the the Life-First business. And one of my posts within the past few weeks talked about setting an income ceiling, not just a floor. And it got quite a response. I think that's so funny because I feel like we obsess over minimums, whether it's rent, mortgage, bills, whatever. But then we treat the top of that spectrum as infinite. I feel like ambition became the default of just going higher and higher and higher. But when it comes to a life first business, higher and higher and higher isn't always better. Would you agree?
• 1:54
  Joe Rando: 100%. I mean, people say, well, what's wrong with more money? And there's nothing wrong with more money except the fact that usually comes with some kind of strings attached. Right? There's something that has to be done, added, included in order to achieve that next highest level of revenue and income.
• 2:15
  And that means that you're probably trading off some other aspect of your life in order to get there. So fine if that's what you want, but make sure that's what you want.
• 2:27
  Carly Ries: Yeah. And not at a cost. I mean, I don't think anybody, if somebody handed me a million dollar check, I wouldn't be like, oh, no. I don't want that. Like, I don't know a single person that would turn that down.
• 2:38
  I'm sure they exist. But I think we're talking in terms of work specifically, and what are the trade offs. Like you were saying, whether it's your time, your health, your relationships, sometimes reaching that next level comes at a cost. And you just have to ask yourself, is it worth it? And it might be worth it.
• 2:55
  Especially if it's a finite amount of time. Maybe you need to work really really hard for just a little bit to get to where you wanna be. But I think if you have the I always want more, I always want more, I always want more mentality, you will never arrive at the destination you're searching for as a life first solopreneur because it will never be enough. And I feel like once you realize that, that's when you can really put life first front and center, and work backwards from there once you have that definition of your enough. And so people are like, well, how do you define enough?
• 3:30
  And that is a very valid question.
• 3:33
  Joe Rando: Well, I have, I won't say an answer, but a thought.
• 3:42
  I think the answer is not a number. It's not to say I'm gonna go more than, a $150,000 a year in revenue. The answer is to look at the other things that are important to you and to gauge that next level of income against what it's gonna cost you for those other aspects of your life that you want the business to support. So if I said, I wanna be at all my kids', sports games, and then I had this opportunity to do something different, but I knew that I wasn't gonna be able to be at any of their games on Wednesdays, I could say, you know what? That's okay.
• 4:22
  I can deal with missing a few games for this opportunity and this level of income? Or maybe I say, you know what? This was my goal in life, to never ever ever miss a game, and so I'm not gonna do it. Up to you, but that's, I think, a way to think about this instead of just saying, oh, the number's x, because it just really depends. I mean, like you said, if somebody just says, here's a million dollars, all you gotta do is write up, a blog post, you'd be like, sure.
• 4:51
  You know? It's just really comes down to saying, what is this going to cost me elsewhere in my the life that I've defined that I want?
• 5:00
  Carly Ries: Yes. I totally agree with that. And then I also think from an actual, defining the monetary cost, calculate what a genuinely good life actually cost you. Like, really think about how many vacations do I wanna take a year? How do I pay my bills?
• 5:17
  How do I, pay for the basics? And then how do I pay for the things that I want to enjoy? Like, you and I, we both like going to listen to live music. We both like our coffee shops. You are a Denmark riding cyclist
• 5:32
  Joe Rando: Netherlands
• 5:33
  Carly Ries: Thank you. Netherlands. I totally butchered that one. I mean, there are just things that you know you want to do, so don't think of it as a minimalist lifestyle.
• 5:44
  Think of what you would actually dream to have, but then make that kind of the cap. And saving for college, saving for retirement, just all those things. I know what is important to me, but I know I don't need to be saving for a yacht anytime soon because that doesn't, doesn't resonate with me. I have no interest in buying a yacht or 80 acres on an island.
• 6:08
  Joe Rando: Given where you live, that's a good thing.
• 6:10
  Carly Ries: Correct. Yeah. If you buy a yacht in Colorado, you have mixed up priorities. We just need to separate your needs, your wants, and I don't know, status, but not status spending. But your needs and your wants, and then make enough as your moving target, and your real line in the sand first.
• 6:29
  And then anything that comes above that, like let's say you have your enough, and then you're living the life first business that you want, and then you end up making more because your business is so successful, great. Enjoy it. Put more towards your vacations, towards your retirement, whatever. We're not anti making money by any means. We're just saying don't do it at the expense of everything else you value in life.
• 6:51
  Joe Rando: Right. And if you wanna do that, great. Just this is the wrong podcast and, the wrong platform. I mean, there are a million people out there that are helping people scale at all costs. I mean, they're all out there.
• 7:07
  As I've alluded before, when you come to our website, fill out the form, and say, I'm looking for a get rich quick scheme, we send you a very polite breakup letter that says, there are lots of other people that will, be happy to talk to you about that. But we're not the place.
• 7:23
  Carly Ries: So Yeah. But I think for me, what a ceiling really unlocks is a freedom to say no, because sometimes it's hard for solopreneurs to say no. It allows you to take risks, and it allows you to choose meaningful work. And I don't know. just, when ambition is the point, then what's the point? I don't know. It's such a vague abstract idea of oh, I just want the chase. I just want the chase. And it's like, if that fills your cup, fine, but it may not be fulfilling in the long run.
• 7:55
  Joe Rando: just a quick story. my last startup, it was not a solopreneur venture. It was actually more of a scale at all cost venture, but still, there were things that we decided that we were gonna do and we were gonna focus on. We weren't gonna do anything else. And this company came to us, and literally, I think it was a million dollars they offered us to do something that didn't meet the things that we said we were gonna focus our energies on.
• 8:17
  And we said no. And you know, it was kinda weird. they were like, what? But it's just one of those things where you have to, whatever you're doing, whatever your goal is in the end, there needs to be things that you focus on and things that you say no to. And if it's a life first business, then, saying no to additional income at the cost of your life is something you would say no to.
• 8:43
  Carly Ries: I just I wanna throw a caveat in because I don't want us to come off as like, you don't need to work hard to get this life first business, and you can work a couple hours a day and then go lay on the beach. There will be times where you need to work a lot. And there will be times where you will need to make sacrifices. And we also understand that sometimes it's a necessity, not a privilege to have that cap. Like people, you need to earn money.
• 9:09
  It's a business. And we fully are aware of that. What we're saying is work towards this business model. work towards life first business. It does not mean you'll just be able to coast your way through life. You will have hard times.
• 9:23
  Joe Rando: There are very few people who have started out and sixty days in are like, oh, I got my life first business up and running, everything's great. It takes a lot of time. But if you're not focused in that direction of trying to build the business around your life, it's never gonna happen. Because that's not what businesses wanna do.
• 9:40
  Carly Ries: So what we're saying, is make your life first business the North Star, but do know it will take some sacrifice, and it will take a lot of work to get there. Even when your life is intertwined with it, and even when you're enjoying the ride, the Life First is the destination for us.
• 9:58
  Joe Rando: Yeah. And you know, it's just that what I think what you're trying to say is we're not talking about building the four hour work week business. Lovely if you can do it. I don't know how to do it.
• 10:09
  But, building a business that lets you live life on your own terms is something I have done and something you have done, you know, but we still work.
• 10:19
  Carly Ries: Yeah.
• 10:20
  Joe Rando: I like working. I like my work.
• 10:23
  Carly Ries: Me too.
• 10:23
  Joe Rando: It's part of what I want in my life first business, this kind of work.
• 10:28
  Carly Ries: Totally. Totally agree. Well, listeners, if you agree, please share this episode with a friend who you think would find helpful. Subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast platform. That was a tongue twister today.
• 10:42
  Including YouTube. And leave us a five star review. It helps us spread the word to other life first solopreneurs that may need to hear something like this. So we'll see you next time on the Life First Solopreneur.
• 10:56
  You may be going solo in business, but that doesn't mean you're alone. In fact, millions of people are in your shoes, running a one person business and figuring it out as they go. So why not connect with them and learn from each other's successes and failures? At LifeStarr, we're creating a one person business community where you can go to meet and get advice from other solopreneurs. Be sure to join in on the conversations at community.lifestarr.com.