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#128: (18+) Dru Cuthbert / A&M Ju Jitsu / Parenting / PTSD and War / Psychedelics · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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  Welcome to another episode of Come Together.
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  Oh, freaking Beer Journey, where I started drinking all those
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  crazy Ipas and stouts and sours and stuff like that.
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  None of the beer that tastes like beer.
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  Yeah, none. Of the beer that tastes like
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  beer. Then at a certain point, dude, I
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  gained probably 40 lbs from drinking that shit.
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  And then, then at a certain point I cut it out.
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  And then I realized that a, a stout or IPA could have 350,
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  four, 150 calories in it. And I'm like.
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  I had no idea. Yeah, dude.
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  But then these are clean. These are like a hundred 150
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  calories. These are much lighter.
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  Yeah, for sure. And listen, they're, they're
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  beer, they're carbs, you know, but they're.
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  And then he's sick of it at a certain point.
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  But I did. Coach, I'm so happy you're here,
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  man. I'm happy to be here, man.
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  This is going to be great. This is going to be great, yes.
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  Where do you want to start, man? Do you want to start with?
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  Tell me about who you are? Do you want to talk?
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  What do you want to talk about? I've had so many podcasts or
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  just talk about like, oh, I was in the Marine Corps.
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  I did this. I mean, I could do like a brief
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  little intro because you don't. Do a little brief.
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  I just love to. Ask Coach, right?
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  Yeah. OK, so perfect.
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  So my real name is Andrew Nice. Cuthbert, why'd you do Gru
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  instead of Trew? Because I figured out if if
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  people. Gave me.
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  Attention. All right.
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  Yeah, people just started calling me Drew just growing up.
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  And it was like, OK, you can't give yourself a nickname, but
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  you could choose how it's spelled, right?
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  And I was like, OK, well, yeah, there's nothing that makes me
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  have to put Drew, so why am I going to do it?
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  Good for you. Yeah, I love it, Dru.
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  Simple. Yeah, love it.
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  It's great. Yeah.
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  So yeah, my, my name is Andrew Cuthbert Drew for short.
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  Now Drew Phoenix is my alter ego.
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  Is that your poor name? That's the jiu jitsu name.
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  That's the there's a spoken word poetry that I used to do a lot
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  of get. Out of here, really.
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  You did poetry, Really. Because.
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  When I was younger, like, you know, my dad was in and out my
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  life and when he left when I was in 8th grade, when I felt like I
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  was becoming a man. 8th grade. Yeah.
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  Or forced. I was forced to grow because I
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  left. Yeah, yeah.
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  The way I used to get my emotions out, I just started
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  writing one night and I was like putting words together at that
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  time. It was like very Doctor Seuss
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  ish Seuss itch. Putting words together in a way
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  just made me feel like I was creating some sort of art and it
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  made me feel better. Totally, that's what.
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  Express it. Cathartic, yeah.
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  Yeah, without anybody even telling me, I just, I just
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  grabbed the journal one night and I just started doing it,
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  writing about how he made me feel.
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  And then from there, when I joined the Marine Corps, they
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  used to make us do like, presentations.
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  And from that I realized that I could command the stage.
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  Yeah, perform. Yes, yeah.
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  And then I started when when I came out and I was dealing like
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  with a lot of PTSDI realize that like the same way that it made
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  me feel good when I was younger to write.
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  I wrote, started writing. Because I don't think that goes
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  away ever, by the way, like that once you have like once that's
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  like your outlet, like I don't think that like changes for most
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  people, you know? No.
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  And one thing like I need to really get back into it because
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  Miyamoto Musashi, he wrote the book of Fight Rings.
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  Are you familiar with him with that?
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  Book No. It's a great book.
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  Miyamoto Musashi was a famous Ronan right?
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  A samurai who lost his his master.
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  OK, I think you, I think you were starting to tell me about
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  this one time book of five rings, you said.
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  Yeah, book of five rings. Yeah, but in the very beginning
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  of the book is the most profound thing.
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  Like you don't even have to read the book, you just read the
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  sentence. You're like oh shit, that makes
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  sense. He talks about how he in duels,
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  he won like 60 somethings duels, right.
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  And he, he is the one that first used 2 swords, right?
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  167 duels. And he's like, what I've learned
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  in that entire journey of of killing 67 people is that if you
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  just focus on the sword and not the paintbrush, then you'll
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  become imbalanced. OK.
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  And then you got to feel it out. No, like you can't just train,
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  train, train, train, train. You have to have like an
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  artistic outlet, right? So me the paintbrush.
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  Oh, I see, I see, I see. I see.
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  If you just chained by the sword and not the paintbrush isn't OK,
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  Gotcha. Right.
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  You'll find another an emotional outlet.
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  There's some kind of creative outlet.
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  Because then you're just like if we, if we speak in terms of yin
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  and Yang, right? Like if you're just Yang all the
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  time, like you're like the sun, you're just beating down on
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  everything, then there is no balance.
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  You need the yin, you need yin and Yang.
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  Just like men. We have more testosterone than
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  women, but we also have estrogen.
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  Balance us out. Just like women, they have a
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  little bit of testosterone too, right?
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  But they have estrogen. So our bodies are made-up like
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  this. So he's just like.
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  Talking, I think everything's like that.
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  Yeah, everything's like that. And, and we're just trying to
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  find the balance and that's what everyone struggles with.
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  And like, even it's, it's interesting.
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  I was thinking about this as far as like sobriety goes, because I
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  took a month off of drinking a couple a little while back and
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  it was awesome. Like at first it was tough.
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  Like I didn't like, I was just like, because I drink casually.
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  Like I drink like I'll have a beer at night after I have
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  dinner while I'm watching TV or cleaning the house.
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  I just like have a beer I'm sipping on.
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  And so I missed that kind of having that part of my routine.
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  And I was thinking like, and then after a couple of weeks,
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  it's like the truth is like I don't need alcohol.
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  Like I've never like I haven't. I didn't drink to get drunk in
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  years. You know, like you drink
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  casually and like if you happen to get tipsy, you get tipsy
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  great, you know? But and then I was thinking to
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  myself, but like, why GO-1 Extreme or the other?
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  Like, why? Like completely abstain And
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  like, why? And like, yeah, it's good to
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  take a month off. And the truth is I should
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  probably do it once a year anyway, you know, for that sake
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  of balance. But like, the people that
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  completely abstain are the people that typically have the
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  hardest time with controlling themselves to begin with, right?
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  I imagine. You know that reminded me.
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  You know how we have a big recovery community down here?
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  Yeah, huge. And I have, I have issues just
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  with the little bit that I know about it.
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  OK. Because every person that I've
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  ever met in recovery, they all smoke cigarettes.
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  Do they? Yes.
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  And the way that they like greet, the way that they talk
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  about themselves, they're like, Oh, my name is Andrew and I'm an
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  alcoholic. It's an identity.
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  Yeah, it's and you know, every religion talks about how
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  powerful the words I am is sure right.
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  It's like you say I am, you're like commanding your reality,
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  like, OK, this is what you are. So you're going to say you're an
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  alcoholic for the rest of your life.
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  For what? The only people that I've known
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  that have gone through that program, which was I used to be
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  part of a group doing the spoken word, right?
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  Yeah. Our director, his name is Teo.
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  Teo went through that program, but he's never once said I'm an
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  alcoholic, right? He's like, yeah.
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  He's like I, I, I, I went through a, A, right?
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  I was in recovery for a little while and now I just tell me.
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  Yeah. Grant Cardone's another one who
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  went through it, but he doesn't. Does he?
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  I didn't know that about him. Yeah, you see, 'cause he's not
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  always like, oh, I'm an alcoholic, I'm an alcoholic.
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  And both of those 2 they did it start smoking cigarettes like
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  all the other people that that I've.
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  Because, yeah, and a lot of times it's because people are
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  shifting one addiction for the other.
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  One of this for the other. So for the majority of people
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  that I've found it that I've met in recovery, it's like they they
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  just trade one addiction to the other.
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  And to me it just didn't make any sense.
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  Yeah, it makes sense. And I don't know if I'm sure
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  they make money, right. I'm sure the A A programs are
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  funded, right? Mostly they're funded one way or
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  the other, right? Whether it's it's for profit or
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  or not non profit, right. I think by commanding
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  everybody's reality to say I am an alcoholic, it just keeps
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  people in the system. You think so?
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  Oh yeah, just like just like in the medical system, right?
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  They're not really going to sell you cures.
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  Right, right, right. Of course, we'll say there's a
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  great line. I I'll send you the video after
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  I'll sell you. I'll get you prescription plan,
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  but not but I won't cure you like I'll get you like I'll get
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  you on a plan, but I'm not going to actually fix the root of the
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  problem. You know, I'll just keep on
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  applying a Band-Aid or keep giving you Tylenol forever.
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  And we see it in the medical system, right?
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  And also I have AI have a theory.
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  OK, I love the thing for a hat. Theory.
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  Let's do it, dude. Got it.
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  I got it. This is this is the Jewish
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  Syndra. Oh, the reason why the VA
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  medical system which is the veterans medical system is all
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  fucked up and people are like oh they don't do enough for
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  veterans blah blah blah. It was made like that for by
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  design. And the reason why I say this is
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  when I'm in, when I was in boot camp, every Marine that goes
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  through boot camp, they tell us about these amazing Marines that
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  have gone through history, right?
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  Oh, this guy got Medal of Honor, This guy got 2 Medal of Honors,
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  right? And they, they beat that history
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  into US. One of them was Major General
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  Smedley Butler. Yeah.
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  Oh, I heard about him. He wrote up Wars the Racket.
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  Where's the racket? I taught that to my 10th grade,
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  10th and 12th graders. That's why I wanted to come talk
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  around veteran's day 'cause I lost.
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  And next time he's talk about wars, the racket, bring me in.
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  OK. Because I have I have a spoken
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  word piece that I made where I quote him because I'm talking
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  shit about the war. Yeah, right.
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  That I participated in. And I'm like, well, basically I
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  said, well, you could listen to me.
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  I mean, you know, I mean, you could you could be against what
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  I'm saying. But this is Major General Smithy
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  Butler's word. Sure, War is a racket.
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  It is, and it always has been, is possibly the oldest, surely
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  the most vicious and easily the most profitable.
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  It's the only racket in which profits are reckoned in dollars
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  and losses in lives, right? Yeah.
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  So next time you talk. To kick ass line too.
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  Oh yeah, kick ass line, dude. Yeah.
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  So the reason why he wrote War is a racket, I'm not sure if you
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  if you're familiar with this, but the reason why he did that
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  is because after World War One, there was 100,000 angry veterans
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  in the country because they weren't being taken care of, OK.
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  And the five richest businessmen in the country go to Smedley
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  Butler and they're like, hey, Woodrow Wilson is not letting us
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  go to war and we need war for our profits.
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  So we want you to lead these 100,000 angry veterans on the
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  White House for a coup d'etat so that you can overthrow the
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  government. You we put you in charge, but we
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  just keep going to war. We keep doing that.
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  They. Said that to Smedley Butler,
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  Yeah. In so many who.
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  Said that. I don't know.
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  Whatever it was, I would have the chain of command.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go.
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  Is running the show. The reason why we're going to
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  war with with Venezuela now are the same, are the same people.
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  This scene, yeah. And, and if you look through our
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  history, every war has a profit. Every single.
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  Just point on any spot on the map and tell me what minerals
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  are there. Tell me what commodities they
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  have to think. All right, you got to give to
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  me. I don't.
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  I only think the only war. I think that we probably should
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  have fought world. War 2.
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  World War 2. Maybe.
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  Maybe because it's like we didn't see those guys going to
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  going to Pearl. Harbor, Yeah.
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  Right, it's only 7:00 AM. Yeah.
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  That's a little fishy to me. That's.
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  A little fishy. Fishy to me.
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  It was a little fishy. And then, yeah, and they turned
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  the way the Jews coming, I think, before that point.
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  So they weren't entering for the sake of like protecting anyone
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  in particular. Because if anything, it should
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  have been like, this is what's happening to the Jews.
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  We need to go over there to stop it straight up, yeah.
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  And then working with other all the other like 25 million people
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  died in World War 2. I'm having someone on next week.
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  She emailed me. She goes.
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  I listened to one of your episodes of the guy that's
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  talking about how wars racket. She's like, I just, Oh yeah,
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  somebody. Else talked about it.
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  Oh, dude, I'm going to say I'm going to give you his book.
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  It's going to blow your mind. She's like, I've been do I'm
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  Chinese. I believe she's Chinese.
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  And she's like, I've been studying the history of China
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  and Japan in World War 2. No one knows about that.
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  And I'm like, how come no one knows about that?
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  Yeah, you know that, right? She's like, it was, it was it
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  was classified until like 10-15 years after the war.
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  All the war crimes that we were associated with with Japan,
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  we're all classified. And that's why it was like taken
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  out of like the history, the history book cycle.
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  And and we're doing a podcast together.
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  She's going to talk. She's I'm like, listen, just
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  give me a class. Like I'm just going to listen
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  and ask you questions and you're just going to tell me
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  everything, you know, because I beautiful.
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  It's going to be sick. Hell yeah.
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  I'm really excited about that one.
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  Yeah, definitely. So anyway, so.
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  OK. So, so, so, so, so finish, so,
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  so the capital. So Smedley said you guys can go
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  fuck yourself, right? And he wrote it as a.
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  Referee or he died shortly after.
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  I don't know if they killed him. I think he's he just spent the
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  rest of his days just. He died young.
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  He died right after World, right?
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  Either right before World War 2 started or right after World.
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  War 2 started though. At that point we can look it up,
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  but. We're talking about a man who
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  who who won two medal of honours and spent 30 years in the Marine
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  Corps. He couldn't have been that
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  young. He died.
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  What was it, 60s? Oh no.
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  He was older when he was born in 1881 and died in 1940.
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  Yeah, right. He lived the full life.
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  He was 58, dude. 58. He was 58.
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  What he did in his life bro. Most people don't.
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  Do that. Live to talk about the first
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  Medal of Honor. This my forgot 2.
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  Yeah. What does need to get that do
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  you know? It's usually something that you
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  go above and beyond yourself to save.
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  So like self sacrificing opportunity to self sacrifice
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  and you made it out. Like, a lot of people get the
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  Medal of Honor from jumping on grenades, right?
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  Right. That's like, for sure.
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  Now, do people think like, oh shit, I'm going to get the Medal
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  of Honor? No, but one thing that they
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  teach you, they, they they really preach in the military is
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  taking care of the person to the left and the right of you.
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  They're like, God, corn country don't mean shit in a foxhole,
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  right? It's all about the Marine to the
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  left and the right of you. And you guys better bring each
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  other back home, right? That's how we function.
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  So boom, Smedley says go fuck yourself.
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  And he starts, he starts talking about, you know, wars, a racket.
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  And that's what he spent the rest of his days doing.
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  All right, now, if you think about it, going back to the
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  conversation we talked about earlier, right, there's no
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  profit in healing, right? There's only profit in sick
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  patients. So now you have these veterans
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  who, when they're young and impressionable, we send them off
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  to war. Yeah.
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  Easily propagandize. But now when they start getting
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  into their mid 20s and they start asking questions.
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  And they and they want to have families.
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  They want to know why they're going to war.
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  They want to know what the purpose is a little bit more
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  because you're thinking more about a bigger picture of your
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  life than just let's go get those.
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  Apps those, those towel heads. Yeah, yeah.
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  Whatever you want to call them, whatever.
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  Gooks in in Vietnam? What?
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  Are they going to call the people in Venezuela now?
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  Yeah, whatever. It is, yeah.
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  You just love the train of thought.
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  No, it's OK. You're saying that there's no
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  money in it. There's no money.
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  You have all. These angry veterans with war
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  experience that are no longer young and impressionable.
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  If we, if we offered a cure, if America offered a cure to these
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  veterans, like, like adept hospital systems, staff and a
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  lot of resources, Right. A big old budget, yeah.
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  If that was offered to veterans and there was actually curing
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  veterans, like actually going through the proper process to
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  get over post traumatic stress for us to get over all of our
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  physical injuries, you're going to have a bunch of healed angry
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  veterans at the government, right.
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  So who better to group together to go try to overthrow the, the,
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  the government? Yeah.
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  It would be the better people like me, yeah, but I'm sure I'm
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  on some FBI watch list I have. You think so?
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  Bro I. Have to be.
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  Because you came back from war and now you're and now, now
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  what? But you don't do anything off
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  the, you don't do anything on the radar.
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  I don't right, but I spent a lot of time doing the spoken word
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  right. I have I, I, I spent a little
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  while blowing up my social media presence.
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  So if they so if they see in a little bit.
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  Yeah. You know what I mean?
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  Like, yeah, yeah. But also, I think all of the
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  Post 911 veterans have to be on some sort of like, keep an eye
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  on us, right? Because they wouldn't let, they
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  can't let us band together, right?
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  Because there would be a problem.
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  We know all the weapons systems, we know how to work together and
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  most of us have experience, right?
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  So we would be the ones to call. That's fascinating.
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  So if they. Keep us if they keep putting the
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  band aids on us and keep us going back to the VA trying to
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  get help, trying to get help. Oh, we're not getting help fast
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  enough. Oh, poor, poor my poor little
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  veteran. And then the culture, right?
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  What they, what they embedded in society is like, oh, these guys
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  went to war for you. You have to thank them for their
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  service. Yes, because we have freedom
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  because of these guys, which is total bullshit.
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  Yeah. You think so?
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  Bro I wouldn't be having this conversation with you if like
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  the the tone of this conversation wouldn't be like
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  this unless. Like if we if it was, if it was
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  for you wouldn't be talking like this exactly.
• 17:21
  If it was another uniformed army on the other side, yeah, Right.
• 17:24
  And it's US uniform. Yeah.
• 17:27
  Military uniform versus uniform, Military age male versus
• 17:31
  military age male pro. I'll be like, yo, we're fucking
• 17:34
  fighting for freedom. Fuck everything else.
• 17:36
  I don't care what I experienced. Yeah, TST, go fuck yourself.
• 17:40
  That's how I would be speaking. Right.
• 17:42
  Instead, I'm sitting here in front of you saying, dog, you
• 17:46
  know what I experienced in Iraq? Moral injury.
• 17:48
  Because these people that I was fighting look like me.
• 17:51
  Right. Right.
• 17:52
  They looked like, you know, if, if there was, if, if China was
• 17:56
  in Humvees right now on our neighborhood streets.
• 17:59
  And they're shooting at us. And they're just just around
• 18:03
  thinking that they're the boss of of this country.
• 18:05
  And, and people will come up to us and be like, hey, guys, you
• 18:09
  want to start planting some roadside bombs to get rid of
• 18:11
  these mother fuckers? Yeah.
• 18:12
  Yes, easy, yeah. You want to start fighting these
• 18:14
  guys? Yes.
• 18:15
  You want to be insurgents? Absolutely.
• 18:17
  Let's get them the fuck out of our country, right?
• 18:19
  Because what are they doing here?
• 18:20
  We didn't even do at 9:11. Right.
• 18:23
  Iraq had nothing to do, no. No, no, Iraq had a lot of oil.
• 18:27
  You're going to you're going to you're going to love this book.
• 18:29
  I'm going to give you dude yeah, you're going to lose your mind.
• 18:33
  Yeah, he's yeah, it's it's scary dude, and I've becoming and I'm
• 18:39
  becoming more and more anti war judge based on me.
• 18:42
  Another one of those let. Me see.
• 18:45
  Let me see if I can light it with this.
• 18:49
  Dude, I'm, and I, I mean, I, I, you know, I haven't talked a ton
• 18:53
  about this, but like, I'm pretty anti the Israel, you know,
• 18:58
  military industrial complex because there is absolutely a
• 19:01
  huge one there, dude. And it's the same shit.
• 19:03
  And you know what, the same veterans like you, you know,
• 19:05
  many kids there are, are traumatized, you know, and, and
• 19:08
  the problem, and I mean, the only thing that I, the reason
• 19:12
  why I typically keep my mouth shut is because I don't like,
• 19:16
  we've gotten attacked on American land twice in our like,
• 19:19
  our history, you know, and like we had, we spent 80 years of war
• 19:23
  because of that essentially, or 100 years of war almost because
• 19:25
  of that. So, like, I don't know what it's
• 19:27
  like to, like, be in a country where our borders are, by the
• 19:30
  way, for everyone, like everyone in Europe and Russia and China
• 19:33
  and the Middle East, they're all upping each other's, you know,
• 19:36
  up each other asses, you know, And I don't know what it's like
• 19:38
  to do to be like that. You know, I mean, we never go to
• 19:41
  war with Mexico. If Trump really cared about
• 19:44
  fentanyl and cared about the drug overdoses, we'd say shut,
• 19:47
  shut the cartels down. You know, like, that's where you
• 19:49
  start. Yeah.
• 19:50
  You know, start with Venezuela. What do you do with Venezuela?
• 19:51
  Yeah, that's why I, like, I heard like rumblings of like
• 19:54
  going war with the cartel. I'm like, OK, that makes sense.
• 19:57
  Yeah, but you know, that's a, that's a real war.
• 19:59
  Yeah, that's a real. That's like, that's like not
• 20:01
  like an America bullying another small country war.
• 20:03
  That's like a war. That's like a war.
• 20:05
  That's a real war. OK, see now let me let me go
• 20:08
  fight in a war like that. Let me feel honourable about the
• 20:11
  service because I know if I go after people in the drug cartel
• 20:15
  then that's an actual enemy that's affecting the United.
• 20:19
  States sure, sure. Right.
• 20:21
  But it's, it's not, it's we. We're fighting who?
• 20:24
  Well, what do we spend 20 years in Iraq, 2020 years in Iraq and
• 20:29
  Afghanistan just to turn around like there's nothing?
• 20:33
  All I have, really, all I have from that is a bunch of dead
• 20:36
  friends, Yeah. And a bunch of fellow Marines
• 20:38
  that. And and by the way,
• 20:40
  economically, we're crumbling because of.
• 20:41
  It and that veteran suicide. Rate insane.
• 20:44
  I heard now it's 44. When I was like, it really in
• 20:47
  it, it was like 22. That's crazy, but it makes
• 20:49
  sense. Yeah.
• 20:50
  Because the number one symptom of post traumatic stress is
• 20:54
  depression. Every antidepressant has a black
• 20:58
  box warning saying that suicidal ideation is a possible side.
• 21:01
  Sure, sure. Right.
• 21:03
  So it's like you put two and two together.
• 21:05
  The pills are causing yeah the fucking.
• 21:10
  Yeah, suicides. At least that's one of the
• 21:13
  causes. I'm sure the lack of purpose is
• 21:16
  is another cause because also. Whether the guilt again, because
• 21:19
  what you're saying the more the more injury you're walking
• 21:22
  around and you're fighting civilian, you're you know,
• 21:24
  you're racking ransacking civilian homes and like you're
• 21:27
  not fighting people in uniform necessary.
• 21:28
  I mean, I don't know if the do you think you think the rates
• 21:32
  different for soldiers that are in combat with other soldiers as
• 21:35
  opposed to soldiers that are riding through town just like
• 21:39
  demolishing towns or whatever? OK, because.
• 21:42
  You said if you feel morally different about it, right?
• 21:44
  OK, but this is this is this is this is interesting.
• 21:47
  I'm glad you asked this question.
• 21:49
  Statistically, the people who are in non infantry jobs
• 21:56
  experience most more post traumatic stress than the ones
• 21:59
  that are actually in infantry. Really.
• 22:00
  Because if you sign up for into infantry, yeah, your job is to
• 22:04
  fight and kill. That's it, right.
• 22:07
  So once you do it, it's like you you have a less tendency to have
• 22:12
  PTSD because you signed up for it.
• 22:15
  Whereas like me, when I first went in, I was trying to avoid
• 22:19
  the war. When I started training for it,
• 22:22
  I actually embraced it. Yeah.
• 22:24
  Because it's like. What changed?
• 22:26
  Bro, so when I when I got in, I signed up to be communications
• 22:32
  so I was a radio man Cool radio man.
• 22:34
  They need an every single unit in the Marine Corps.
• 22:37
  Infantry is one of them. But I went to an artillery unit,
• 22:41
  right. Artillery is, you know, big gun,
• 22:44
  go boom, right. But from far away.
• 22:47
  Yeah, Right. Yeah.
• 22:49
  So, so. But the problem is, is that they
• 22:54
  only need one artillery unit because it's like artillery
• 22:58
  could shoot from very far away, right?
• 23:01
  If I'm on the ground as a calm guy and we need artillery
• 23:04
  because these guys are like shooting at us from this
• 23:06
  building. And we could, we could tell like
• 23:08
  it's most mostly enemies in there.
• 23:09
  Like we need like we're getting like ambushed and like we're
• 23:12
  under fire And we need you guys to clear out that building over
• 23:15
  there. We need you to blast it.
• 23:17
  All right. I called to the Florida Obser,
• 23:19
  Yo, hey, we need artillery at this place.
• 23:23
  And like there's like a way to do it right That's very formal
• 23:26
  or it's called a nine line. Like we, you know, we call it in
• 23:29
  over the radio. Bureaucratic.
• 23:31
  Yeah, it, well, it's, it's very systematic.
• 23:33
  OK, systematic. Hey, we need, we need artillery
• 23:35
  at these coordinates, right? We're taking an enemy fire from
• 23:40
  here. We need artillery here.
• 23:42
  You call, there's, there's like a guy in the middle called a
• 23:44
  forward observer who's like on the hills, let's say.
• 23:47
  So you call to a forward observer of server calls to the
• 23:49
  artillery unit that's back on base.
• 23:51
  And then artillery unit fucking sends rounds.
• 23:53
  And they communicate with one another fast enough to be
• 23:56
  effective. Cool.
• 23:58
  Granted, you need Artie, right? Yeah, you're being that you're
• 24:01
  like hunkered down. Yeah, OK, you're shooting,
• 24:04
  getting shot at, but you're like behind cover.
• 24:06
  You're like, we need artillery or air support or if you're if
• 24:09
  you're close enough to the water, naval gunfire.
• 24:11
  OK, there's all these things you could call in.
• 24:14
  Yeah, right. If you call in artillery, you
• 24:16
  know, you call back to baseball and they shoot.
• 24:18
  You don't need multiple artillery units at.
• 24:22
  Right, right. Yeah.
• 24:24
  So if you don't need artillery, right, and you're in an
• 24:27
  artillery unit, then they usually like make you something
• 24:29
  else because they say that every Marine is a Rifleman first.
• 24:32
  OK? So what they did with us is they
• 24:35
  said, OK, these people need protecting.
• 24:38
  This Colonel, this general, this person, this person, you guys
• 24:41
  are an artillery unit that we do not need right now, right?
• 24:44
  But we, you guys are going to deploy.
• 24:46
  So we're going to take, we're going to split you guys up and
• 24:50
  we're going to make you personal security details.
• 24:52
  Cool. So the six months before I went
• 24:55
  to Iraq, we learned how to shoot pistols.
• 25:00
  We did every high speed infantry course in Camp Lejeune, NC Cool.
• 25:05
  We trained like we were infantrymen and the more we
• 25:08
  trained for it and they got us into the mentality of just like
• 25:11
  going to war, we're going to go fight, we're going to go fight,
• 25:12
  blah, blah. That made me like it.
• 25:15
  Like I felt like a Marine. Yeah, you know, cuz I, I, I
• 25:18
  didn't really have very impactful male role models
• 25:22
  growing up. So this is my first time being
• 25:26
  around them consistently. And they're saying, let's go
• 25:29
  fight and we're training and we're training hard and we're
• 25:31
  fucking Marines. Yeah.
• 25:32
  So that's what switched it for me.
• 25:34
  It's like, oh shit, I don't want to go.
• 25:35
  Fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:37
  All right. How old are you at this point?
• 25:38
  19 was. 19 right? Jesus dude 19. 19.
• 25:45
  Wow, what do you like it? What do you like in 19?
• 25:48
  A fucking idiot. I'm a 19 year old.
• 25:51
  An idiot trusted with a gun in a foreign country.
• 25:56
  Loaded gun. Yeah, dude.
• 26:00
  Guns. Guns.
• 26:00
  No people. Guns.
• 26:02
  Yeah, Yeah. And you don't.
• 26:03
  Speak the language. You don't.
• 26:04
  You don't do anything dude. No crazy.
• 26:06
  Yeah, insane. Crazy.
• 26:08
  Like thinking back on it like that's an experience I'll never
• 26:10
  have again. Yeah.
• 26:12
  Right, my job. I'm getting paid for this.
• 26:16
  Yeah. To go run around the country, to
• 26:19
  be trusted enough to know when to shoot, when not to shoot.
• 26:21
  Yeah, it's insane. And you think 19's too young?
• 26:28
  I think it could mature you. And I think it could mature you
• 26:31
  the the sense of responsibility. No, for sure.
• 26:33
  I don't think 19's too young. I think how do I say it, because
• 26:40
  I had a good, I had a good answer.
• 26:44
  I think that if you're going to have a standard where you
• 26:49
  believe that a 19 year old is responsible enough to go to war,
• 26:54
  yeah. And know and and be responsible
• 26:56
  enough to say I'm going to kill or not kill.
• 26:58
  Another person, Yeah. Right, then we should be able to
• 27:01
  drink, hold the standard across the board.
• 27:05
  Right, so you're saying the inconsistency is not cool?
• 27:08
  No, right, Because think about it.
• 27:10
  At 19, yeah. At 19.
• 27:17
  So at 19 I can do all that stuff I just mentioned.
• 27:21
  Can I buy a beer? No, you can't vote.
• 27:24
  I can't. You can vote.
• 27:25
  Oh, yes, you can. I'm sorry.
• 27:26
  Yes, I'm sorry. Yes.
• 27:27
  But right now you can't buy. You can't buy tobacco either,
• 27:29
  no. So in those countries you can
• 27:33
  they're going to send you in a country where you're easy have
• 27:35
  to drink there, you don't have to buy tobacco there.
• 27:37
  You. Don't do it.
• 27:39
  You can't. You can't when you're there, you
• 27:41
  can't like go off base and go, It's not like Vietnam.
• 27:43
  We're like Vietnam. You go to go to South South
• 27:46
  Vietnam and like, you know, you could go like into the city and
• 27:48
  like go get. Dude, our buddy bought our
• 27:50
  Dalton, partied hard in Korea, as you said, South Korea, yeah.
• 27:54
  That's Korea we're talking about a war zone.
• 27:56
  Yeah, Korea wasn't a war. Zone No.
• 28:00
  North Korea, Korea's nothing worth.
• 28:02
  It no. North Korea probably is, but we
• 28:04
  don't go into North Korea. We just stand at the line like
• 28:06
  looking across the make. Sure, everything's right.
• 28:08
  Yeah, sure. So yeah, that's.
• 28:11
  So 19 year olds should be consistently treated like adults
• 28:14
  across the board. Well, it's like, it's like if
• 28:16
  you're in the military and they and they give you that level of
• 28:20
  trust, yeah, then it should be across the board.
• 28:22
  Because it's not like I wanted to go drink myself retarded even
• 28:26
  though I did. Yeah, OK.
• 28:29
  But it's like I should have been afforded the opportunity, like
• 28:33
  to say that, well, if we were, if you're responsible enough to
• 28:35
  do this, then you can do that too.
• 28:37
  Yeah, for sure. Maybe it would have took away
• 28:38
  the, like, what's it called? Like, Like, oh, don't push the
• 28:42
  big red button, whatever that's called.
• 28:44
  OK, Right. It's like, don't give me a big
• 28:46
  red button. Yeah.
• 28:47
  Just say, oh, it's a button. You can press it if you want.
• 28:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would have made me not get
• 28:51
  probably get into alcoholism so much that I struggle with in the
• 28:53
  Marine Corps because it's like, I can't drink.
• 28:57
  So it's like, I want to drink. Yeah.
• 28:58
  Of course. So you want like casual exposure
• 29:00
  to that. It's not a big deal so that it's
• 29:02
  not something you feel like you have to abuse.
• 29:04
  Yeah. And I think that's good for the.
• 29:05
  I think that's good for human behavior.
• 29:07
  Yeah. Like, for example, I have guns
• 29:10
  in the house. OK.
• 29:12
  I remember when me and my cousin found my uncle's gun and we were
• 29:16
  like, Oh my God, it's a gun. Yeah.
• 29:17
  Yeah, yeah. Why am I going to do that to my
• 29:21
  kids? So what do you?
• 29:23
  Do bro, I take the weapon out of the out of the thing wherever I
• 29:27
  have it. I unload, I show clear, right?
• 29:31
  Hey, guys, you see there's no bullets in here.
• 29:32
  Boom, close it. All right?
• 29:34
  What are the weapon safety rules?
• 29:35
  Yeah, right. And there's treat.
• 29:36
  Never keep. Keep.
• 29:37
  My 6 year old tell me treat, treat, never keep, keep.
• 29:40
  Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
• 29:43
  Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to
• 29:45
  shoot. Keep your weapon on safe until
• 29:46
  you intend to fire, and then keep your no, keep your fingers
• 29:51
  straighten off the trigger until you intend to fire, and then
• 29:53
  keep your weapon on safe until you're ready to fire.
• 29:55
  Right, right. For safety rules.
• 29:57
  They taught me that as a Marine. I teach my 6 year old.
• 29:59
  Yeah. Right.
• 30:01
  I teach them that and I'm like, what is a gun?
• 30:03
  A tool? A tool for what?
• 30:05
  self-defense. Sure.
• 30:06
  When do you use it? When you feel like your life is
• 30:08
  in danger. Yeah.
• 30:09
  If somebody breaks into this house, Yep.
• 30:11
  Somebody's getting shot. Yep.
• 30:14
  Straight up. So like, I tell them about it, I
• 30:16
  let them touch it. Right.
• 30:18
  As soon as you're old enough, I'll take you to the range
• 30:20
  'cause I'm demystifying it, sure.
• 30:22
  So it doesn't seem cool. I don't want my kids to have the
• 30:25
  same experience that I had when. I was a kid.
• 30:27
  Fascinating. Fascinating.
• 30:29
  Fascinated about it. Yeah, I I have my gum with me in
• 30:31
  my bag. My my son's like do you have
• 30:33
  your got 45? Granted, if he told his teacher
• 30:38
  this seemed not to be concerned right?
• 30:40
  But fuck the teacher. You know what?
• 30:41
  I mean like. I do this because this is how
• 30:44
  I'm choosing to parent and as you're right, it's my right.
• 30:48
  Totally. I could teach my kids about
• 30:49
  weapons. They're not going to be so.
• 30:51
  Oh my God, it's demystified. They don't give a fuck about the
• 30:54
  what? Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
• 30:56
  That's. Great.
• 30:56
  It's the same principle. What else?
• 30:58
  What else have you implemented that like with raising your kids
• 31:02
  that like you didn't have but like you, you think is
• 31:04
  important? Like important enough to like
• 31:07
  that you want to implement it in your own life?
• 31:09
  So I'll start from from baby stuff like where your how old is
• 31:14
  your daughter? She's seven months.
• 31:16
  OK, What I would do with her right now is every time she
• 31:21
  messes up a diaper, have like you'd clean it up, right?
• 31:25
  You put it in a bag. I don't know if you used a
• 31:26
  disposable diaper, do you? No, you tossing.
• 31:29
  Out are you tossing out? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:31
  OK. Put it in a bag, tie it up, give
• 31:34
  it to her, make her throw it away.
• 31:36
  Because what you're doing right now is you're teaching your
• 31:38
  child how to take literally take care of their own shit.
• 31:40
  Yeah, right. Yeah, it becomes a game to them
• 31:43
  because, oh, you know, I get to go, you know, I get to go and
• 31:46
  then I'm yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my good girl.
• 31:51
  Like it's like you train a dog. But it's sure good human, right?
• 31:53
  Sure, sure. By doing this now, they, they
• 31:58
  understand that, you know, they can say they, they get, they,
• 32:01
  they, they learn how to follow orders.
• 32:02
  Because look, I will never hit my kids because I know when I
• 32:07
  used to get hit when I was younger, all it did was turn me
• 32:09
  into a a better liar so I could avoid.
• 32:13
  Yeah. Yeah, that's all you care about.
• 32:16
  Yeah, I'm just trying to avoid getting hit.
• 32:18
  My kids, I won't fucking hit them.
• 32:20
  I instill the fear of God, right?
• 32:23
  Because I could talk loudly. I'm big, you know?
• 32:26
  But but I I won't hit them. You know what I mean?
• 32:29
  Yeah. When I get most mad, I just I
• 32:32
  keep my mouth shut. I just pick him up and I pop him
• 32:33
  in his bed and I just like walk out, see?
• 32:36
  And that's all I do, OK. And then I come back.
• 32:38
  I'm like, you want to talk about what what, what went wrong?
• 32:40
  You want to talk about like what happened?
• 32:43
  Which is important, right? It's important to communicate
• 32:47
  with your kids like that because it's like you're giving a
• 32:49
  respect for another growing human being instead of like how
• 32:54
  I was raised. And I'm, I'm, I'm almost sure
• 32:55
  you were raised like this where it's like, do as I say, not as I
• 32:58
  do because I said it. Yeah.
• 33:02
  Right. Yeah.
• 33:03
  It's so cats running around. That's OK.
• 33:06
  So. So going back to the the whole
• 33:08
  throw away your diapers thing. Yeah, right.
• 33:10
  Well, my son turned 2. I told him throw away his
• 33:14
  diapers. He's a little tired.
• 33:15
  He goes. No, Daddy, because at 2 they
• 33:18
  realize that they're a separate entity from their mother.
• 33:22
  And they like. No, because it's like, I'm a
• 33:24
  person. Yeah, for sure.
• 33:25
  Right. It was like.
• 33:26
  No, yeah. Yeah, so he's like, he's in his
• 33:28
  head. He's like, I don't feel like it
• 33:29
  right now. I'm tired.
• 33:30
  No. And then I dropped down to his
• 33:34
  level, right? Get on the knee.
• 33:35
  And my brother's a fucking asshole because he was like
• 33:38
  standing behind my son, right? So I'm like, Khalil, go throw it
• 33:43
  away now. And now we had our first stare
• 33:46
  down. So now Khalil's staring at me.
• 33:50
  I'm staring at him. I'm not letting go.
• 33:52
  Yeah. And my brother is cracking up
• 33:55
  behind me, but silently he's like, and I'm like, you
• 33:59
  motherfucker, because I'm trying not to break character.
• 34:02
  So, bro, it felt like an eternity.
• 34:04
  Me and this fucking 2 year old are staring each other down.
• 34:08
  And then he looks away. He looks back at me.
• 34:10
  He looks away, picks up the bag. He's like, OK, dirty.
• 34:14
  Yeah. And then I as soon as he did it,
• 34:18
  I'm like, good job. I'm like, sometimes we don't
• 34:21
  feel like doing stuff, but you have to do what Daddy's awesome
• 34:25
  because I believe that you should.
• 34:26
  Your child should be able to say no to requests, but never
• 34:30
  orders. There's a big difference.
• 34:32
  There's a big difference. So like you're.
• 34:34
  Like getting me a drink is a request.
• 34:36
  Yeah, an order is like, go clean your room.
• 34:38
  Go clean your room. Yeah, there is no, there's no
• 34:41
  negotiating about cleaning the room.
• 34:43
  That is an order. You do that now, right?
• 34:46
  I don't want any questions. You tell me now like you do it.
• 34:49
  But if I say, can daddy have a hug?
• 34:52
  No, daddy. OK, You're within your right.
• 34:55
  That's your right. No problem.
• 34:56
  So like I know when I was younger where like I didn't feel
• 35:01
  like that person was a good person.
• 35:03
  I didn't want to say hi to them. I don't want to fucking hug
• 35:05
  them. You're they're weird.
• 35:08
  Answer my honor, whoever the fuck was in charge, go hug them.
• 35:11
  So now I got to hug them begrudgingly.
• 35:14
  And Doug, that has to fuck with your psyche.
• 35:16
  Yeah, that'd be that makes that. I think that leads to people
• 35:18
  pleasing and all that. So when my kid was young,
• 35:21
  they're like, oh, say hi to your auntie.
• 35:23
  And he's just like, and then, then I'll leave him alone.
• 35:27
  Yeah. I'm like, hey, he has the
• 35:29
  rights. Like, he doesn't need to.
• 35:30
  He doesn't need to. And then like I get questioned
• 35:33
  like, Oh well then when does it become him acknowledging his
• 35:36
  rights and him being rude, right?
• 35:38
  I'm like when he gets old enough because.
• 35:40
  To give a shit about being rude. When he starts understanding
• 35:43
  social norms and stuff, like, OK, now my son is 6.
• 35:46
  When you walk into a room, you greet everybody.
• 35:48
  You say hello. Yeah.
• 35:49
  Whether you feel like it or not. I don't give a fuck.
• 35:51
  You're saying hello now it's an order.
• 35:52
  Yeah, right. Because that's polite.
• 35:54
  Yeah, eye contact handshake. Handshake.
• 35:56
  Look at you. Yes, Yeah, that's right.
• 35:58
  All of that, Yeah. Right.
• 35:59
  Because now he's at that stage. You realize when your kid levels
• 36:03
  up, it's like a Pokémon, right? You you totally.
• 36:05
  Totally. When it happens, like they start
• 36:07
  paying attention more to things that they start like acting a
• 36:10
  certain way, like oh, he levelled up.
• 36:11
  And you know, it's also crazy, dude, you could see now, and I
• 36:14
  see this everywhere I go. You go to the supermarket, you
• 36:16
  go to a bar, you go for a walk down the block and you see like
• 36:20
  teenagers and a lot of teenagers will, will they have like
• 36:25
  anxiety to even make eye contact to people you know, and you're
• 36:28
  like, no one ever taught you like how to look at some.
• 36:31
  By the way, it's funny because I was talking to my students about
• 36:34
  this. I teach in the Orthodox do a
• 36:37
  school and they're very sheltered in a lot of ways.
• 36:39
  And you know, for better, for worse.
• 36:41
  But one thing that is for definitely for better.
• 36:43
  They don't have social media. They don't, they rarely have
• 36:46
  smartphones. According to the school policy,
• 36:48
  they're not allowed smartphones. They are so socially adept and
• 36:53
  so confident and so creative and so comfortable in their, in
• 36:57
  their skin, you know, and, and like, and then you walk down the
• 37:00
  block and like, you see like a, anywhere from like a 17 to like
• 37:04
  a 25 year old. And like you say hey to them.
• 37:07
  You're like, what's up? How you doing?
• 37:08
  Like, it looks like the fear of God is like running through
• 37:11
  them. And you're like, what are you
• 37:12
  afraid of, man? I'm not going to hurt you.
• 37:13
  Like, you know, like I'm, I'm just a dude.
• 37:15
  Why is he saying hi? I'm going to jog, you know, like
• 37:16
  I'm not going to do anything to you, but people are afraid.
• 37:19
  Yeah, because a lot of a lot of it sucks.
• 37:23
  A lot of fathers aren't present. Yeah, whether they're in the
• 37:25
  house or not, there's a lot of fathers are not present.
• 37:28
  Yeah, OK, present father is there constantly on their kids
• 37:32
  ass correcting everything. Right.
• 37:36
  The nurturing comes from mom. OK, let the mom baby.
• 37:39
  Then they fucking fall down and scrape their knee.
• 37:41
  Go to mommy. Yeah, you'll be fine.
• 37:43
  Yeah. Go to mom.
• 37:44
  Yeah, right. That's that's that's because I
• 37:46
  believe that, you know, men and women have their strengths,
• 37:48
  right? Sure, men, probably physically
• 37:51
  stronger, probably more aggressive women.
• 37:55
  If the baby's crying, I'm sure she could deal with it way
• 37:58
  better than I fucking can. Yeah, I know she cleaned that
• 38:00
  house way better than I can. And she could put love in food
• 38:05
  like. Yeah, I don't give a fuck.
• 38:07
  You take them in five. Star Chef for sure.
• 38:09
  Your grandma's going to be able to whip up something way better.
• 38:12
  Than that motherfucker, yeah. Way better.
• 38:15
  It's because women have that special ability to put love in
• 38:18
  food. Or thinks, I think that I think
• 38:20
  a lot of it's intention while you're doing it.
• 38:22
  It's like I care about like I'm a lot of times I'm doing shit.
• 38:26
  I'm, I'm doing things for the sake of getting it done.
• 38:29
  I'm not thinking I'm doing this for my family, for my kids to
• 38:32
  enjoy like sometimes I do. And they're all great.
• 38:34
  And you know, but I, I actually think that for sure there's
• 38:37
  probably, there's got to be a tangible difference.
• 38:40
  Absolutely. The energy you put into
• 38:42
  everything like that, shit matters.
• 38:44
  Whenever my mom would make a Shabbat meal on Friday, right,
• 38:46
  she'd say, like the food comes out based on how good of a mood
• 38:49
  or not I'm in that day. And she was like, you guys
• 38:52
  better help out. You better do your insurance
• 38:53
  because the food's going to be shitty tonight, you know, and
• 38:57
  you can taste it, You and and then, and there are times where
• 38:59
  I'll come back, like if I was in college and I come back for a
• 39:02
  weekend and like, I'll eat something like, were you in a
• 39:04
  bad mood today? You know, like you.
• 39:05
  Could tell. I was off today, Yeah, I was off
• 39:07
  today, she was saying. I'll take food for my mom.
• 39:10
  It was love it. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:15
  And then you know what their dad experiences with the same thing.
• 39:18
  Like, yeah, I growing up, my dad used to take me to Modell's, get
• 39:20
  some baseballs and like go to the backyard and just hit him,
• 39:23
  you know, just he just throw a whole bucket of baseballs at me.
• 39:26
  I'll just go and then I'd run around for half an hour and pick
• 39:28
  them all up. You, I I that that's burned into
• 39:31
  my association of my memory forever.
• 39:33
  I don't even know why, dude. Like my dad spends a lot of time
• 39:36
  and money doing a lot of amazing things with us.
• 39:38
  That's one of the few memories that like from my childhood,
• 39:40
  that's like vivid, you know, and that I remember that I don't
• 39:43
  know whether I'm associating the memory or the feeling, you know,
• 39:47
  of like, this is just a great activity to like, just be doing
• 39:50
  with my dad. And like, I'm making contact
• 39:51
  with the ball and he's proud of me and I'm learning a sport and
• 39:53
  I'm feeling great, you know? And like, that's intention, you
• 39:56
  know, Like if he was, if he's on his phone the whole time, I
• 39:58
  don't know if he'd feel the same thing.
• 39:59
  Bro, you know damn well you wouldn't feel the same thing.
• 40:01
  Yeah if he was just occupied with other stuff.
• 40:04
  Like my dad, after I turned 6 all he wanted to do is fucking
• 40:07
  deal drugs, make money, take us to fancy restaurants and just do
• 40:10
  bullshit. Yeah, go cheat.
• 40:12
  Go cheat on my own bunch of whores.
• 40:13
  Like, he really. Yeah.
• 40:15
  So like, he wasn't, he was, he was around sometimes, but he
• 40:18
  wasn't present. Right.
• 40:20
  But my dad was also one of the hardest working motherfuckers
• 40:22
  I've ever met. So like I have core memories
• 40:25
  when I was until I was 6, which if you, if you study like human
• 40:30
  psychology is if you don't get traumatized in those years of
• 40:34
  your life, then it'll set you up for success in the future.
• 40:37
  From from born to 6. From born to six.
• 40:40
  So that is the that's the most important years of your kids
• 40:43
  life. That's when they develop all the
• 40:45
  tools that they're going to use to to deal with the world.
• 40:47
  So another thing that I do right then I got this from my my
• 40:51
  child's mom, which she sees amazing is no pacifiers.
• 40:58
  Yeah, we need to pacifiers. Think, think, think of the word
• 41:01
  pacify. Why are you trying to pacify
• 41:03
  your baby if the. Baby's crying.
• 41:06
  There's a reason. There's a fucking reason they're
• 41:08
  wet, they're hungry, they're hungry or tired.
• 41:13
  You have 5 things to go. On Yeah.
• 41:17
  But you know what? First sign of crying?
• 41:18
  Oh, my God. Pass.
• 41:19
  Fire. Yeah, that's fire.
• 41:21
  Like what you're teaching that kid is to is to rely on
• 41:25
  something else. Fascinating.
• 41:27
  To for their emotional regulation.
• 41:30
  Would you say that if thumb would be better because it's
• 41:32
  self soothing or you don't think so?
• 41:34
  Like if a kid sucks their thumb like like that's like you take
• 41:37
  it with you. Like, it's not like you're
• 41:38
  counting on something separate from.
• 41:39
  You, I mean, it'll mess up their teeth with that too.
• 41:41
  I I don't, I don't like the the finger sucking because now
• 41:44
  you're just trading the, the pacifier for the finger.
• 41:46
  But what I've noticed with my son and other people who who
• 41:49
  don't, who decide not to do a pacifier, yeah, is that the kid
• 41:53
  may like start trying to put the fingers in the mouth, but then
• 41:56
  you're like, no. And they're easily just oh.
• 41:59
  Yeah, yeah. You have to do it early, though.
• 42:01
  Yeah, you. Can't let them develop that
• 42:03
  because now because they're looking for something to sue.
• 42:05
  Yeah, right. But if you just like, no for the
• 42:08
  pacifier, no for the thumb. Yeah.
• 42:10
  Right now, granted, a lot of breastfed babies, you can start
• 42:14
  telling, like, especially when they get like, a little bit
• 42:16
  older, like if they're around 2, still breastfeeding, yeah,
• 42:18
  they'll associate, like, soothe with feeding.
• 42:20
  Yeah. And they'll be like, oh, like,
• 42:22
  you know, start crying for the yeah, yeah, just get on there
• 42:24
  just to soothe themselves. Yeah.
• 42:25
  Right. So you have to be careful of
• 42:27
  that. Yeah, that too.
• 42:28
  Right. But what I've learned with what
• 42:30
  what I've learned raising Khalil is that, like, bro, he knows how
• 42:34
  to soothe himself. Right.
• 42:37
  He may get flustered about something, but he's easy to come
• 42:40
  back. That's awesome.
• 42:41
  Never had to deal with temper tantrum.
• 42:43
  Wow, fucking dropping in the fucking store.
• 42:48
  Never, right. You know, like you give him the
• 42:51
  look or you'd like stop that and then you know that my kids, oh,
• 42:56
  can I have this? Like we have vending machines at
• 42:57
  the gym. You know, we have vending at the
• 42:59
  gym. Can I have Gatorade?
• 43:00
  No, go drink water, OK? Yeah.
• 43:03
  But dad, can I no go drink water right?
• 43:08
  Like I'm able to say no and there is no tantrum.
• 43:11
  Right, right. He's 6, you said.
• 43:14
  Yeah, but now, now the six year old's starting to the six and
• 43:16
  11611. The six year old's starting to
• 43:18
  like I this is another thing, right?
• 43:22
  I have to check myself because I'm not above my own bullshit.
• 43:25
  Yeah. So I check myself because I have
• 43:27
  to realize that, like, sometimes he's just inquisitive and he's
• 43:32
  not trying to talk back, right. The Marine in me is just like,
• 43:34
  stop talking and just do what I said.
• 43:35
  Yeah. But now I'm starting to try to,
• 43:38
  like, remain calm. Yeah.
• 43:40
  When he's talking and he's asking, he's being inquisitive.
• 43:43
  I'm like, listen, when I talk, you have to do it, OK.
• 43:48
  But you're, you're questioning now.
• 43:49
  Like you don't understand. So let me explain it to you.
• 43:52
  Yeah, yeah. Right.
• 43:53
  So I think. That, you know, helps with that
• 43:54
  mindset. What weed.
• 43:57
  Yeah, it does. It does.
• 43:59
  It extends your patience for sure.
• 44:01
  You know, and you're going. To get you more playful.
• 44:03
  Yeah, and you're going to be like, you know what, let's let's
• 44:06
  talk it out. You know, like, how about this,
• 44:08
  you know, the the the stupid why conversation, right?
• 44:11
  What are you doing? Why, why, why?
• 44:14
  That's a happens to be a super important process.
• 44:17
  And I have a friend of mine that used to tell me he actually
• 44:20
  asked me one time. This was like a real religious
• 44:22
  shock for me. He's like, I'm going to be a
• 44:25
  three-year old and ask you about your religious beliefs.
• 44:28
  Like wow, I believe like you. You believe in God.
• 44:30
  Yeah. Why?
• 44:32
  Step one, stop. I'm like, oh man.
• 44:36
  Then he goes Step 2. You did Judaism.
• 44:38
  Why? And I'm like, my family does.
• 44:40
  He goes, that's a good answer. You know, it goes, OK, why do
• 44:42
  they do it? Like, I don't know, maybe
• 44:45
  family, you know, and then and like we went through things like
• 44:47
  that and I found out dude, I got yeah, he got killed.
• 44:50
  You know what? You a Carpenter?
• 44:53
  To hold things back, dude, and that's, that's a method that's
• 44:56
  used I've and I've realized this more and more and I've actually
• 44:58
  I had a friend of mine I just had a argument with recently
• 45:00
  about this. Like you like don't expose
• 45:03
  yourself to any shit that's not good, that's not true.
• 45:06
  And I'm like, first of all, how do I know whether it's true or
• 45:08
  not? And second of all, like there's
• 45:10
  nothing wrong with like hearing something out and then asking
• 45:12
  questions and like determining for yourself, like, oh, that's
• 45:14
  probably bought, that's probably bullshit.
• 45:15
  That's probably, you know, maybe that sounds like there should be
• 45:17
  something more to look into. And that sounds right, You know,
• 45:20
  and like, dude, I'm a 30 year old adult, father of two, you
• 45:24
  know, that works three jobs. I can decide for myself.
• 45:27
  I feel like, I feel like I'm fucking listening to this or
• 45:29
  not, you know, like that's the end of it.
• 45:30
  I, I love that. I love that because a lot of
• 45:33
  people, they get have this like dogmatic behavior when it comes
• 45:38
  to religion. And they just do it because this
• 45:41
  is what named the book, right? The Bible or the whatever.
• 45:44
  Yeah, this is what the Bible told me to do.
• 45:46
  This is what I'm doing. Yeah.
• 45:47
  And it's like, you don't. You don't I I love people that
• 45:49
  are inquisitive, right? They understand, like, OK, you
• 45:53
  say, well, I do it like this because.
• 45:55
  And you have your reasoning behind it, but you're also open
• 45:58
  to other things. Sure, Right.
• 45:59
  Like, there's so many different walks of life.
• 46:03
  What's wrong with you as a Jew to sit down with a Muslim and
• 46:06
  just be like OK? Yeah, what's up?
• 46:09
  What's up? Yeah, nothing dude.
• 46:10
  Like. Me and you aren't fighting each
• 46:12
  other. Maybe the countries in the
• 46:13
  Middle East, they're fighting each other Me and you are not
• 46:16
  fighting each other right now. No, dude, tell me about the,
• 46:19
  the, the, the, the Koran, right? And I and I want to and we're
• 46:22
  let's talk about the Torah and, and I don't even know what this
• 46:24
  book is. That's the.
• 46:25
  Looks one of them. It's just it's a segment of the
• 46:27
  Torah. It's over the 5 bucks.
• 46:29
  So it's like, let's let's find some common ground, let's see
• 46:31
  the differences. Let's kind of figure because it
• 46:34
  comes from what? Like the same people?
• 46:36
  Yeah, not the same people, but the same group, right?
• 46:39
  Totally, totally, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:42
  That's probably Iguana. Yeah, do those that sounds.
• 46:44
  Like those guys shit in my pool, they climb up the tree to shit
• 46:47
  in my pool. I have probably done for that,
• 46:48
  so don't. Wanna.
• 46:50
  Maybe you'll you'll help me out one time with it because this
• 46:53
  it's a nightmare. I totally agree.
• 46:55
  And not even that I actually think like the root of a lot of
• 47:00
  arguments that I've had with people has just been based on
• 47:03
  miscommunication of terms, right.
• 47:05
  So like if I'm like, I think God is real and you're like, I don't
• 47:08
  think God's real. I'm like, what do you think God
• 47:10
  is? Like, how about that?
• 47:12
  Because like if you think that God, if you if you're like,
• 47:14
  well, God's a big, you know, guy with a white beard in the sky,
• 47:16
  I'd be like, yeah, I probably don't think that guy's real
• 47:18
  either. You know, I don't think that's
• 47:19
  God either. And then we can find and then
• 47:21
  we're like, OK, so now we just you thought that I had a term
• 47:24
  defined a certain way. I'm letting you.
• 47:25
  I don't now my definition to God is the force that drives life.
• 47:30
  Love it. And you're like, oh shit, I get
• 47:32
  behind that. That's like, you know, that's
• 47:34
  that's cool. You know, like we don't know
• 47:35
  what it is or how it works, but we just know that, you know,
• 47:37
  there's something moving life and there's like something that
• 47:41
  is the universe is growing and like life is progressing and
• 47:44
  like something's happening. Like, I don't know what it is,
• 47:46
  but it looks like God to me. You know, like.
• 47:48
  You know what, like when I think about God, I just think that
• 47:51
  it's the genius that moves within all things that we can't
• 47:53
  understand. The oneness.
• 47:55
  Yeah, there's a flow, there's, there's obviously an
• 47:57
  intelligence, right? We feel the wind, but we never
• 48:01
  see the wind, right? We know it's there, right.
• 48:05
  So it's like the, the, the perfect, the perfect way that
• 48:11
  like plants grow or like one time I did mushrooms, right?
• 48:14
  This this is what made me. Like I was actually about to say
• 48:15
  this is this is a great segue into the second day conversation
• 48:18
  for sure. Yeah.
• 48:18
  Oh, I watched this story for you.
• 48:20
  Yeah. So I was doing mushrooms and
• 48:26
  towards the end of it I had dates in the house.
• 48:31
  So I was like, I'm hungry, let me go eat a date.
• 48:32
  Yeah. And I started, I ate, I ate the
• 48:34
  date and then like, like I, I put the, the whole thing in my
• 48:38
  mouth and like I chewed around the pit.
• 48:40
  I just kept the pit in my mouth and I ate it.
• 48:42
  And like I laid down with the pit in my mouth.
• 48:45
  And all of a sudden I see this diagram 'cause I close my eyes,
• 48:49
  so I see this diagram and it was like the date seed.
• 48:53
  Yeah. And every little thing it was
• 48:56
  encoded with and it just showed like, yeah, the date tree, which
• 48:59
  is a palm tree, right. And then it showed the, the the
• 49:04
  fruit, right. And like the benefits of the
• 49:06
  fruit and like the, the diet, like the tree and like what
• 49:09
  animals do serve? Do this tree serve?
• 49:12
  Yeah. And you?
• 49:12
  See the? You see the oneness.
• 49:14
  You see the connection between everything.
• 49:15
  Like the genius that was all put in this one seed to grow a tree,
• 49:19
  to do everything that a date tree does.
• 49:21
  Yeah, right. And I was like.
• 49:22
  Fuck, it's amazing, isn't? It now imagine like.
• 49:26
  Everything. Yeah.
• 49:27
  Has such a complex code like this?
• 49:29
  Yeah, and it all works together and it's all.
• 49:31
  Perfect. And it's all coming from
• 49:33
  something. Yeah, and to me, that's God.
• 49:35
  Yeah, I agree. God is beyond our understanding.
• 49:37
  Brilliant dude. It's beyond our understanding.
• 49:41
  It's like, you know that intelligence.
• 49:44
  But that's why I think a lot of people, and I actually remember
• 49:46
  I had a friend in high school that said this.
• 49:48
  I didn't even understand what he meant until I thought about it
• 49:51
  later when I did psychedelics. But like he did shrooms in high
• 49:54
  school and, and, and he was not, he didn't believe at the time.
• 49:57
  And I don't know if he does now or not, but like he did shrooms
• 50:00
  if like 2 weeks after he's like, I swear to God, like I know God,
• 50:02
  I know God's real. Like I, I, I communicated with
• 50:05
  God. I know, I know God's real.
• 50:07
  I saw him, I communicated with like and and no one knew what he
• 50:11
  was talking about. Everyone was like, yeah, OK,
• 50:12
  let's see how long this last four.
• 50:13
  And like, you know, granted, if you don't do it like I I think
• 50:16
  of these things like like lighting a match, you got to
• 50:19
  still like you need something for it to catch to, you know,
• 50:21
  you need to you need to put the work into integrated and to
• 50:24
  bring a piece of wood or, you know, and get and actually light
• 50:27
  something up. He didn't do that, you know,
• 50:29
  inside of the day, whatever, But that's what causes the most
• 50:32
  change is like you. Sometimes people need that help
• 50:34
  starting that starting the match and they go for it.
• 50:37
  But everyone has tons of people have that experience.
• 50:41
  And if they don't want to use the word God, they use something
• 50:43
  else. But they all describe it the
• 50:45
  same way. Yeah, exactly.
• 50:48
  I, yeah, I, I, I, the first time I took LSD was also like, I, I,
• 50:53
  I actually, I didn't see, I didn't feel like it was
• 50:56
  godliness because I was at like a country bar in Austin, TX
• 50:59
  listening to music. And also LSD is synthetic.
• 51:03
  You think that makes a difference?
• 51:04
  I think it makes a hell of a difference because it's just
• 51:07
  like everything else that human beings like they try so close to
• 51:11
  get to like the the by the molecule, like a medicine for
• 51:15
  example. Right.
• 51:15
  Well, the root is not synthetic. The root of LSD is from ergot,
• 51:18
  from a from a mold that grows on wheat.
• 51:21
  OK, but they still have to like. Yeah, they make it a lab.
• 51:23
  Yeah, Yeah. They make it in a lab.
• 51:24
  Yeah. So there has to be something
• 51:27
  missing. You think of God's perfect
• 51:28
  design that's in a mushroom. Yeah.
• 51:30
  Compared to LSD, Like it's going to be similar because we tried
• 51:33
  our best to make it similar. Yeah, but I think that because I
• 51:36
  I've done, I've done mushrooms, ayahuasca, I've done what's the
• 51:41
  the cactus? Not peyote, Peyote's cousin is
• 51:44
  in. Yeah, it's is it?
• 51:45
  The. Case they call it Watchuma, but
• 51:48
  it's also called there there's there's like a Watchuma or a
• 51:51
  it's. Not peyote, mescaline.
• 51:54
  No, it, it is mescaline. That's that's like how
• 51:56
  psilocybin is in mushrooms. Mescaline is in peyote and San
• 51:59
  Pedro. OK, San Pedro's with that
• 52:02
  beautiful flower. Bro, I fucking sat.
• 52:04
  I I rolled around. You.
• 52:06
  You South America or something? I was in South America.
• 52:08
  Yeah, this was after I did ayahuasca.
• 52:11
  A couple like maybe like 3. I was your first psychedelic.
• 52:14
  No mushrooms. Mushrooms.
• 52:16
  And then like in 2014, like bro, I had a house and I had a whole
• 52:21
  bunch of shit and in 2014 I tore my ACL.
• 52:26
  OK. No, in 2012 I tore my ACL and.
• 52:28
  What were you up to in your life at that .2012?
• 52:31
  I was getting, I just got out the Marine Corps.
• 52:33
  I was going to college. I was dating this hot girl.
• 52:35
  Thanks. I was working at A at a gym.
• 52:38
  OK, Jewish guy on the gym. Oh yeah, Yeah.
• 52:40
  Always. Yeah, Israeli guy.
• 52:42
  Israeli, Israeli guy for sure. Yeah.
• 52:47
  He wears three quarter, wears three quarter length jeans or
• 52:50
  something like that. Dude, his outfits are crazy.
• 52:53
  Yeah. So I was trying to figure my
• 52:57
  life out but bro like I was on a pretty good high.
• 52:59
  Like I like dating that girl and only my own house at like 23.
• 53:03
  It's awesome. Yeah, bro, and.
• 53:05
  You were living here before. I was, I was in, I was in
• 53:07
  Sunrise. I was in, I was in West Sunrise.
• 53:10
  Yeah. So I was in Fort Lauderdale and
• 53:13
  what you call it. I was just bro, I was, I was
• 53:15
  living life good. I was training jiu jitsu, you
• 53:18
  know, I was making money from the VA with the disability
• 53:20
  benefits. I was making money from the VA
• 53:22
  going to school, then I had a a financial aid on top of that and
• 53:28
  and then I was working at the gym then.
• 53:29
  Whatever money you were making, I.
• 53:30
  Had a bunch of fucking money that just kept coming in three
• 53:33
  months and I was just living. I was living life Great.
• 53:37
  It's awesome going to school and doing jiu jitsu.
• 53:39
  I was fucking jiu jitsu. Yeah.
• 53:40
  I hate that I was getting paid all this money.
• 53:44
  And that's my ACL and that girl. And then that girl broke up with
• 53:49
  me. And what she said is that she
• 53:50
  became the man of the relationship.
• 53:53
  Shit, she said that to you? Yeah, though, because I didn't
• 53:55
  know, I didn't have a lot of emotional intelligence at that
• 53:58
  point, right? I'm 23.
• 53:59
  Yeah. So you imagine, right?
• 54:02
  I tear my ACL, I I no longer have jujitsu and I was using
• 54:06
  that to like that. Would that kept the demons away?
• 54:09
  Sure, because when I came back from Iraq I went on embassy
• 54:12
  duty, which is like guarded 3 different embassies all around
• 54:14
  the world. It's considered more relaxed,
• 54:16
  right? Service is way more relaxed,
• 54:17
  right? OK.
• 54:18
  But you're guarding embassies, so some shit was to go down.
• 54:24
  You're it's only 5 Marines in the embassy and they're not even
• 54:27
  there all the time. Like I have to call them from
• 54:28
  the house. Yeah.
• 54:29
  Hopefully they're not out drinking, right.
• 54:32
  Yeah. Or some trips somewhere you
• 54:34
  know. Yeah.
• 54:36
  And then we have to hunker down in the embassy until the fast
• 54:39
  team comes. The FAST team is like they have
• 54:41
  these teams of Marines as that that are like on naval ships
• 54:44
  going up and down the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean just waiting
• 54:47
  to in. Case anything happens.
• 54:48
  To an embassy wow right, which is why Benghazi was so fucking
• 54:51
  stupid because there were fast teams ready to go and the.
• 54:54
  I don't know who made the call, whether it was the president or
• 54:58
  Hillary, because Hillary was the depart, the secretary, Secretary
• 55:02
  of State. So she's head of all the
• 55:04
  embassies. Yeah, right.
• 55:05
  A fast team could have went in there and helped Benghazi.
• 55:07
  Easy. You could add a whole fucking
• 55:09
  platoon of Marines fucking helping getting everybody out.
• 55:12
  Cause of your question about that, you think that I was
• 55:14
  thinking about this the other day I was talking, I did a
• 55:17
  podcast with a retired homicide detective.
• 55:21
  And one thing that we were talking about was that a lot of
• 55:24
  times, like the flaws are the one mistake.
• 55:28
  The mistakes are always super highly accentuated and the winds
• 55:31
  are never publicized. And so like, you know, Benghazi
• 55:35
  situation happens and like that's history and then you have
• 55:39
  1000 other stories that could have been history that have been
• 55:42
  successfully prevented. And do you think that it's
• 55:46
  incompetence urge just like listen, people screw up.
• 55:50
  No one choose 100% and you know, and the fuck ups are just
• 55:53
  considered like a big deal because they're big deal.
• 55:56
  Like there's on the line. Bro that is an amazing question
• 55:59
  and I probably have an answer that you're not really
• 56:00
  expecting. OK?
• 56:01
  I think it's just basic human psychology.
• 56:04
  OK, OK. We are programmed to focus on
• 56:07
  the negative more than we are the project.
• 56:09
  Sure. We need like 10 to 20 positive
• 56:11
  associations for every like one negative association we have
• 56:13
  for. Someone right, Because if we if
• 56:15
  we learn how to hyper focus on the negative, it helps keep us
• 56:18
  alive. Yeah, right.
• 56:20
  So like right? That's why anxiety, that's why
• 56:23
  anxiety developed, you know? Correct.
• 56:25
  And also, are you familiar with epigenetics?
• 56:27
  A little bit. So epigenetics is a study of
• 56:30
  like, it's basically how in in DNA and part of it.
• 56:32
  Learn genes right? Yeah, so let's say, let's say
• 56:36
  somebody's great, great grandmother, every time she
• 56:39
  passed the Rose Bush, she gets stung by a bee.
• 56:42
  OK, Her biology associates red flower pain.
• 56:49
  Yeah, OK, yeah. So now she has all the eggs in
• 56:53
  her that she will ever have in her entire life.
• 56:55
  Wow. Right.
• 56:56
  So that means that in your grandma, there's both your
• 57:00
  grandma and your mother. Right, right, right.
• 57:04
  They're both. And totally.
• 57:06
  Right. So like when your grandma's
• 57:08
  pregnant, right? It's your mom, but then your mom
• 57:11
  develops all her eggs when she's in.
• 57:13
  The and we're all developed, right?
• 57:15
  And my grandmother, yeah. Oh shit.
• 57:18
  Right, Yeah. You see how deep it goes.
• 57:20
  OK, so then now the daughter's born.
• 57:25
  OK. When she passes by red flowers,
• 57:29
  she's kind of like, yeah, like, I don't like red flowers.
• 57:32
  Yeah, Right. And then the grandmother may
• 57:35
  say, oh, it's because I used to get stinged by.
• 57:37
  Sure. Like, you stay away from them.
• 57:39
  Yeah. Then that daughter is born, and
• 57:42
  let's just say something happens to the mom and the grandma,
• 57:44
  they're not around anymore, right.
• 57:46
  She goes by red flowers. She immediately like, oh, stay
• 57:49
  away. Yeah.
• 57:50
  She doesn't know why. Yeah.
• 57:51
  Epigenetics. Yeah.
• 57:52
  Because if you think about it like our bodies are built so
• 57:55
  that we continue to take care of the next generation.
• 57:58
  Sure, Right. We're trying to do better.
• 58:00
  So to our survival of the. Species.
• 58:02
  Yeah, totally. Right.
• 58:03
  That's why. Like I don't know if your kids
• 58:06
  vaccinated. The first one is partially, the
• 58:09
  second one is not OK. My kid got a vaccine injury
• 58:13
  right where like really kept getting sick.
• 58:16
  He's having an allergic reaction to these vaccines.
• 58:18
  He kept getting sick the entire first year of his.
• 58:20
  Shit, really. Respiratory issues entire first
• 58:24
  year of his life. When he was born, he got like
• 58:26
  the whole set of the first, the whole first set.
• 58:29
  Whole first set right? OK bro you know how it is going
• 58:33
  to the fucking hospital with your kids.
• 58:35
  It is painful, OK, because. One of the worst things the.
• 58:40
  Worst things because you can't fix it.
• 58:42
  Yeah. And they can't speak to say
• 58:44
  what's wrong with Yeah, yeah. Bro, and you need to fix it.
• 58:47
  You need to fix it. It's your kid.
• 58:48
  It's. And dog, one time I remember bro
• 58:52
  Khalil is sick, don't know what's wrong with him.
• 58:56
  They're trying to collect a sample of something and they
• 58:59
  were like, we have to, we have to get his urine.
• 59:05
  So then we they put like it's called like a, like a condom
• 59:07
  catheter. They put it over his penis and
• 59:10
  then they're waiting for him to pee.
• 59:12
  He didn't pee fast enough. So now they got to put the well
• 59:15
  can. They just like let him pee.
• 59:16
  What do they got to wait 5 minutes?
• 59:19
  OK, we waited hours. Oh yeah, it.
• 59:20
  Wasn't happening. OK, so then they had to stick.
• 59:24
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 59:25
  Now me watching my son get a fucking catheter bro I wanted to
• 59:28
  fry. Yeah, dude, you'd rather you
• 59:30
  stick, you'd rather you take it, Yeah.
• 59:32
  Yeah, give it to me. Me a fucking Nope.
• 59:34
  Yeah. So.
• 59:36
  So going through this for a year, so then around his first
• 59:40
  year visit, my friend was like, hey, listen, I don't want to
• 59:47
  overstep. Yeah, but I think it's the
• 59:49
  vaccines causing that. OK, I was like, you know what,
• 59:53
  we have his first year appointment.
• 59:54
  This doctor been cool as shit with us for the longest.
• 59:57
  You know, let me go speak to her about this.
• 1:00:01
  So it's during COVID, so only one parent could go in at a
• 1:00:04
  time, right? Right.
• 1:00:05
  So. Which is also a whole bunch of
• 1:00:07
  other bullshit, but OK, yeah, we all go down that rabbit hole
• 1:00:10
  because that's too much, Yeah. So I go in, right, because I'm
• 1:00:17
  the one with the questions, right?
• 1:00:19
  And the mom asked questions too. But you know, I'm, I'm the
• 1:00:20
  father. So of course I'm going to go do
• 1:00:22
  it. So she's in the car, she's
• 1:00:23
  waiting. So the nurse comes in there with
• 1:00:27
  four vaccines. He's only supposed to get three.
• 1:00:30
  OK. She came in there with an extra
• 1:00:31
  polio shot. I come to find out later that
• 1:00:34
  the doctor added an extra polio shot to help protect my son from
• 1:00:39
  COVID. Without asking me.
• 1:00:42
  What? Without asking me.
• 1:00:43
  That was when I brought furious when I found out you.
• 1:00:46
  Could have you could have the doctor could have lost, could
• 1:00:48
  lose a license for that, No. I don't know.
• 1:00:51
  That's a big deal. That's without parents consent.
• 1:00:53
  Without my consent, the nurse came in, put the vaccines, we're
• 1:00:57
  going to give them these vaccines, and then your doctor's
• 1:00:59
  going to come in. She would have told me after the
• 1:01:00
  fact. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Yeah, so fuck you, Doctor Dulito.
• 1:01:03
  OK, yeah, fuck that. Yeah, associates.
• 1:01:06
  Don't. Really.
• 1:01:06
  Yeah. Wow.
• 1:01:09
  OK, so in Coconut Creek. Good shit.
• 1:01:15
  Do you know? It's OK.
• 1:01:16
  It's important, I think for sure.
• 1:01:18
  So, so the nurse is like, OK, So then she leaves.
• 1:01:25
  She goes to Doctor Dulito, right?
• 1:01:27
  And Doctor Dulito calls my child's mom.
• 1:01:31
  She's like, hey, do you know the father's in here?
• 1:01:33
  Try not to get your son vaccinated.
• 1:01:34
  Are you OK with that? Trying to put us against.
• 1:01:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, do whatever the dad
• 1:01:39
  says. How did you say yeah?
• 1:01:41
  Good for her. Yeah, we support each other,
• 1:01:43
  bro. We're.
• 1:01:44
  On the same team, Yeah. Important for parents, Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  So Doctor Lito comes in there with a fucking attitude.
• 1:01:51
  I bet. Right.
• 1:01:52
  And she's like, I hear you don't want to get your son vaccinated.
• 1:01:56
  And I was like, Doctor Dulito, you know as well as I do that
• 1:02:01
  since Khalil has been born, he's been in and out of the hospital.
• 1:02:05
  And I think that it's one of those vaccines on the table that
• 1:02:07
  is causing it. Yeah, she goes, what, did you
• 1:02:10
  hear that in a blog? And I was like, no, it's in the
• 1:02:14
  vaccine insert. That's.
• 1:02:16
  On the. Table talking about it says.
• 1:02:20
  On the packaging. Side effects on the packaging.
• 1:02:23
  It's right there. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 1:02:25
  Most parents don't fucking read that.
• 1:02:26
  I didn't read it because we fucking trust you.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah, but now I have questions. What the fuck is the problem?
• 1:02:30
  Yeah, and. Then she goes, I hate it when
• 1:02:34
  you anti vaxxers, I hate it when you anti vaxxers come in here
• 1:02:38
  and try to tell me to do my job. As a matter of fact, I believe
• 1:02:42
  in vaccines and my son had had the the meningitis vaccine.
• 1:02:47
  He's 16, experienced every single side effect.
• 1:02:50
  And I told him that he better man up because he's going to.
• 1:02:52
  She said that. Word for word he better man up
• 1:02:57
  because he's taking the second dose.
• 1:03:00
  I'm like, give me my baby, my baby's medical records.
• 1:03:05
  Goodbye. Holy shit dude.
• 1:03:11
  Right. It's like you can't ask your
• 1:03:13
  doctor's questions without being labeled.
• 1:03:16
  And I had a legitimate reason. Yeah, and I'm.
• 1:03:19
  What that that story with their kids?
• 1:03:22
  A crazy story. That's a crazy thing to be proud
• 1:03:25
  of. It's a crazy thing to like, be
• 1:03:26
  like. And I did that right.
• 1:03:28
  Yeah. You want to hear?
• 1:03:29
  Some shit I did that you. Believe in the vaccine more than
• 1:03:32
  you, than your love for your son.
• 1:03:33
  You're a mom. What the fuck is wrong with you
• 1:03:37
  bro? Your son gets sick from this
• 1:03:39
  fucking thing. You should be looking, you
• 1:03:42
  should be asking questions. No, she has that dogmatic.
• 1:03:46
  Yeah, yeah. And.
• 1:03:48
  You could see that when you talk to people like you could see
• 1:03:50
  when their eyes get glazed over when they're hearing something
• 1:03:53
  that they don't want that they don't want to hear or that
• 1:03:54
  they're already not accepting or not believing you're like, you
• 1:03:57
  know what it's not even fucking talk worth talking to you.
• 1:03:58
  You know like I'll have you what I'm talking to where like I'll
• 1:04:01
  be explaining something that is like completely like we could
• 1:04:05
  agree with this yes, we agree with that yes.
• 1:04:07
  Does that mean that this, No, they're like, OK, you know what,
• 1:04:10
  like great, you're not going to, if you don't want to hear it,
• 1:04:11
  I'm not going to waste my breath, you know, But like you
• 1:04:13
  can tell for sure. You can tell when you're talking
• 1:04:15
  to people that like you see that?
• 1:04:16
  Let me get another pay-per-view, huh?
• 1:04:18
  Let me get another paper. Yeah, you familiar with
• 1:04:20
  cognitive dissonance? Yeah, sure.
• 1:04:22
  That's what that is. Yeah, well.
• 1:04:24
  Dude, that's how our freaking here's something works today.
• 1:04:26
  Dude, our time world is cognitive by the way.
• 1:04:29
  I'm a victim of it too though. You know I do that shit all day,
• 1:04:31
  dude. You know, things I don't want to
• 1:04:33
  hear. I don't like institutional
• 1:04:35
  systems. I've never, I've never have
• 1:04:37
  because I was never good at them.
• 1:04:39
  I never had knew how to navigate my way through school or through
• 1:04:41
  interviews or through like application like that.
• 1:04:43
  And I'm like, you know what I don't like?
• 1:04:45
  And so like when someone tells me I went to Harvard, I'm like,
• 1:04:48
  big, big fucking deal. You know, who gives a shit?
• 1:04:50
  You know, And like, the truth is that it is a big deal.
• 1:04:52
  And it's something that I cannot, like I literally, I just
• 1:04:55
  can't do, you know? So like, I understand that
• 1:04:57
  there's like that kind of dogma that I have, but I also know
• 1:05:00
  myself enough to know like I'm just being an asshole about it.
• 1:05:03
  I'm just saying I'm, I'm admitting it like this is what I
• 1:05:05
  have that cognitive distance, you know, I want to do that.
• 1:05:07
  And, and I think that that's that's healthy to admit, right?
• 1:05:10
  Because we all could be a victim to cognitive distance.
• 1:05:13
  If right now you show me another martial art that's more
• 1:05:15
  effective and you prove it to me that it's more effective than
• 1:05:17
  Jiu jitsu. Let's say you go fuck yourself.
• 1:05:20
  Bro yeah, you don't want to hear. 10 years and then don't
• 1:05:23
  want to hear it? Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  Jiu Jitsu is the best form of martial arts.
• 1:05:27
  Everything you can tell me after that, go fuck yourself, yeah?
• 1:05:31
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  So I understand, I understand. But we're talking about a hobby
• 1:05:38
  that I turned into a job, not a child's life.
• 1:05:40
  Yeah, and you had to know the difference.
• 1:05:42
  You got to know the difference. I know dude I had I this this
• 1:05:46
  past week. I I hate doing shit around the
• 1:05:49
  house. I'm not handy at all, you know,
• 1:05:51
  and I'm and I, I could be if I want to, but it's not familiar
• 1:05:54
  to me and I just have a resistance to it.
• 1:05:56
  And so water spraying all over and it's getting under our vinyl
• 1:06:00
  thing and we have tile underneath it.
• 1:06:02
  So it's like tile. Then there's like water
• 1:06:04
  underneath it now and then there's a floorboards and I'm
• 1:06:07
  like, I had to fucking rip up these floorboards and like, I
• 1:06:10
  don't want to do it. And like every part of my body
• 1:06:12
  is telling me I don't want to do it.
• 1:06:13
  Like, but I have my wife and I have my two kids at home and I
• 1:06:15
  don't want mode coming. And so you know what?
• 1:06:17
  I have this cognitive, cognitive dissonance.
• 1:06:19
  Suck it up for half an hour for an hour on a Sunday afternoon
• 1:06:23
  and just get that shit done and like, and you move on with your
• 1:06:26
  life. And I think like, like what
• 1:06:27
  you're saying, like when there's a bigger picture on the table,
• 1:06:29
  when there's something bigger than just yourself, your kids
• 1:06:32
  there and like your family's there, like that's where people
• 1:06:35
  get hurt, you know, that's the problem.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah, not for sure. And I think it's very mature for
• 1:06:40
  you to have said, like, fuck, I'm not handy.
• 1:06:44
  This is not something I'm used to.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah, but I have my wife, I have my kids here.
• 1:06:47
  Like I got to do something. Yeah.
• 1:06:49
  I think that that's a that's a sign of a healthy man.
• 1:06:52
  You try, dude. You know, and I think we're all
• 1:06:54
  we're all like, there's this this book that sometimes I just
• 1:06:57
  pick up a book and I see one thing and I'm like, I take that
• 1:07:00
  with me. Yeah, right.
• 1:07:01
  There's this book called the the spiritual warrior.
• 1:07:04
  OK, I know nothing about the book.
• 1:07:05
  OK, I saw the book. I love the title.
• 1:07:07
  I opened and it was chapter 10 and it was like the very
• 1:07:13
  beginning said most people, and I'm paraphrasing, most people
• 1:07:16
  will live their life and no matter who it is will tell you
• 1:07:20
  that they wish they could have done this better.
• 1:07:22
  They could have done that better, right?
• 1:07:24
  If they got 2 medal of honors, fuck, I could have got the third
• 1:07:27
  one, right? Maybe I should have just jumped
• 1:07:29
  on the grenade like that. Third time.
• 1:07:31
  Yeah, right. And no matter what it is, you
• 1:07:33
  feel like you didn't do good enough.
• 1:07:35
  And the truth is that no matter what, given any situation and
• 1:07:40
  who you were during that time, you did the very best that you
• 1:07:43
  could do. Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  No matter what, you did the best I think.
• 1:07:46
  It's the way you got to look at life, right?
• 1:07:47
  Yeah, 'cause otherwise you spend your entire life beating
• 1:07:49
  yourself. Up beating yourself up for what
• 1:07:51
  and. Not and that you can beat
• 1:07:53
  yourself up enough that you don't even tried a certain
• 1:07:55
  point. Like if you say like I'll never
• 1:07:57
  be able to do it, then you'll never try to do it.
• 1:07:59
  You'll. Never try it.
• 1:08:00
  And that's where a lot of people get stuck.
• 1:08:02
  Yeah, a lot of people get stuck right there.
• 1:08:03
  That's why I'm so happy I started coming to gym.
• 1:08:06
  I'm so legit, dude. Like because I was like, I
• 1:08:08
  don't, I, I didn't know that I, I, I was, I was scared shitless,
• 1:08:11
  dude. I mean, you know.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah. It's crazy.
• 1:08:15
  Yeah, crazy. And I'm like, I don't know,
• 1:08:17
  maybe I'll hate it, you know? Maybe.
• 1:08:19
  I'll I I love how you just walked in and you committed.
• 1:08:22
  I did a class. Something, yeah, but.
• 1:08:25
  I just, I just see that I liked it, yeah.
• 1:08:26
  Yeah, because if you think about like an established man, right?
• 1:08:31
  Like you have your family, you have your three jobs, right?
• 1:08:34
  You're a husband, you're the king of your household, and you
• 1:08:37
  have to walk in this fucking gym, right?
• 1:08:39
  And be at the bottom of the totem pole.
• 1:08:40
  Oh, yeah, right. And me, I'm usually a little bit
• 1:08:44
  harder on people when they first come in because I, I, I like to
• 1:08:49
  weed out people. Yeah.
• 1:08:51
  Right. I need somebody that's going to
• 1:08:52
  be able to take like I'm because sometimes I get in, you know,
• 1:08:55
  me, I get in marine mode sometimes it's like, I need you
• 1:08:57
  to do this, right? Because at the end of the day,
• 1:09:00
  right, I'm showing you a martial art, OK?
• 1:09:04
  The whole purpose behind a martial art is for you to defend
• 1:09:06
  yourself. You can hurt people with this.
• 1:09:09
  So sometimes I got to really be fucking serious.
• 1:09:11
  Put your hand there or you're going to get hurt.
• 1:09:13
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:09:15
  Stop doing that. OK, I have to be rough
• 1:09:18
  sometimes, right? And I just, I, I love how, like
• 1:09:24
  I've seen the difference from you from day one till now,
• 1:09:27
  right? It's like you're you, you, you.
• 1:09:32
  You could tell you were very uncomfortable at 1st and now
• 1:09:36
  it's like you're so willing to jump in the fire no matter who
• 1:09:39
  you're going against. Yeah, 'cause I would say Mike
• 1:09:41
  Knight is one of the most dangerous people to be standing
• 1:09:43
  in. That guy's an assassin, right?
• 1:09:46
  Yeah, Chris is a nut. And he doesn't take it.
• 1:09:48
  He doesn't take it easy. Either No, he doesn't.
• 1:09:51
  I'm the damn coach and Mike, don't take it easy on me.
• 1:09:54
  Right. It you know 40 laws of power,
• 1:09:56
  never I'll shine the Master Mike's like fuck that.
• 1:09:58
  Yeah, I did. Story that I used to a lot.
• 1:10:01
  Sometimes I'll jump into MMA, right?
• 1:10:03
  I'll do sparring sometimes, OK? Mike has never tapped me out to
• 1:10:06
  this point. OK.
• 1:10:09
  So we doing this drill where like I have my back against the
• 1:10:11
  wall and he's on my legs and that's how we start.
• 1:10:14
  So boom, we're starting and I'm trying to like fight my way up
• 1:10:17
  and he's pulling me down and and then I feel his weight go
• 1:10:20
  backwards. So as soon as he did that, I'd
• 1:10:24
  lunge forward and he was just trying to bait me into the
• 1:10:27
  guillotine. As soon.
• 1:10:29
  As I lunge forward I feel his hand go around my neck and I was
• 1:10:33
  like. Fuck.
• 1:10:34
  You about to have it? Bro all the.
• 1:10:37
  Air. Left.
• 1:10:38
  My lung and I like and I tapped them like you motherfucker.
• 1:10:43
  And this is prior to him doing that.
• 1:10:46
  He's like hitting me. And Mike does not have a light
• 1:10:48
  hand. Yeah.
• 1:10:49
  He's how you feel. I'm like, oh, shit, I got to
• 1:10:52
  give up. I got to be able to fight.
• 1:10:53
  Yeah. And then I could give it to you.
• 1:10:55
  Wow, man. So Mike is a person.
• 1:10:57
  He's not going to take it easy on you.
• 1:10:59
  So for you to go just toe to toe with him like you're trying the
• 1:11:02
  shit that I'm teaching you, like I love it because that's the
• 1:11:05
  sign of somebody that's going to be good.
• 1:11:07
  They're going to be committed to this.
• 1:11:08
  They're going to they're going to do well in this.
• 1:11:09
  Like the things I'm teaching is for a purpose.
• 1:11:11
  Yeah. Because Doug, Jiu Jitsu will
• 1:11:14
  help you out in your life, period.
• 1:11:16
  Yeah, with your problem solving. Like you have to solve problems
• 1:11:19
  under duress. That's what jiu jitsu is.
• 1:11:21
  Yeah. It's a human chest mask which
• 1:11:22
  you solve problems under duress using your body.
• 1:11:25
  Yeah. Which is super dangerous.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah, and literally every movement means something.
• 1:11:30
  Every single motion means something.
• 1:11:32
  It means something, yeah. And the other thing, by the way,
• 1:11:34
  the, I think one of the more valuable things is learning
• 1:11:37
  under enormous pressure how to keep breathing or trying to keep
• 1:11:40
  breathing, because that also is the skill that carries over when
• 1:11:43
  I have a phone call, a sales call and the customer is reading
• 1:11:46
  me out and I don't know, take a deep breath and you're like, you
• 1:11:50
  know what, I'm getting pummels right now.
• 1:11:52
  I just got, I got to figure out a way to just like wordsmith my
• 1:11:55
  way out of this shit, you know, and.
• 1:11:56
  Because how you do one thing, you do everything.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah. So if you're learning this, if
• 1:11:59
  you're doing this with your body.
• 1:12:00
  You're interdisciplinaries, Yeah.
• 1:12:02
  It just goes across everything. Yeah.
• 1:12:04
  Yeah, so I've already seen the difference.
• 1:12:05
  Yeah. Which is I'm, I'm, I'm proud of
• 1:12:07
  it. Like I'm gonna keep.
• 1:12:08
  I, I, I, I do. I love this sport, dude.
• 1:12:09
  Yeah, I love this sport. This is wait till like when you
• 1:12:13
  get like your blue belt, you start giving the people a
• 1:12:15
  fucking hard time. It's going to be I can't wait.
• 1:12:18
  I can't wait. Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Yeah. So you're you're you're doing,
• 1:12:21
  you're doing well. You're progressing as you.
• 1:12:22
  Should. We'll see.
• 1:12:23
  We'll see. We'll see, yeah.
• 1:12:24
  You got to keep it up. I, I also think the I, I think
• 1:12:26
  also another value that's worth diving into is the value of
• 1:12:30
  playing, of fighting up and playing up in anything you do
• 1:12:33
  that like playing people better than you.
• 1:12:34
  Like the reason why I've, I'm, I'm enjoying this because I know
• 1:12:38
  that Chris is being the shadow of me or Mike's being the shadow
• 1:12:41
  of me. And if they're not, there's a
• 1:12:44
  reason rather they're not. You know, my mom used to like
• 1:12:45
  whenever you play games together, like she'd beat us and
• 1:12:48
  then you're like one day and you know, 8910, like one day you're
• 1:12:51
  going to beat me. When you beat me, you're going
• 1:12:53
  to know that you're really good at this.
• 1:12:54
  You know, you're going to get a really good.
• 1:12:55
  And then we did beat her, you know, 1415 years old and you're
• 1:12:58
  like, ha, ha, you know, we're better than she is.
• 1:13:00
  And he's like, we earned it. Like, you know, like that, that
• 1:13:02
  like that was the best feeling in the world.
• 1:13:04
  And if you're playing below your level 2, like if you're just
• 1:13:08
  like, you know, if you're, if you're, if you're punching below
• 1:13:10
  your weight, like you're not growing from that.
• 1:13:13
  No, OK, so let me let me just tell you about the jitsu, right?
• 1:13:18
  Because that makes sense. But I just want to let you know
• 1:13:20
  something else too. Once you get your blue belt
• 1:13:22
  right. I like you.
• 1:13:24
  How? Does it go by the way?
• 1:13:24
  Because I don't know what what point that is perfect.
• 1:13:26
  White, blue, purple, brown, black.
• 1:13:28
  White, blue, purple, brown back so.
• 1:13:31
  So the average time to get to blue belt is from six months to
• 1:13:35
  a year and a half. OK.
• 1:13:38
  So usually like if you come in with wrestling background, like
• 1:13:41
  usually in six months you'll be get your blue belt, right.
• 1:13:42
  But if you're coming straight off the street like you did, I
• 1:13:45
  got mine in a year and a half. I came out the Marine Corps, but
• 1:13:47
  my one of the old school Brazilian things to do was to
• 1:13:50
  keep people back for a while. It's like he had me competing
• 1:13:53
  against blue belts when I was a white belt and still didn't
• 1:13:56
  promote me till six months after.
• 1:13:58
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:14:00
  How do you feel about that He. Looked.
• 1:14:01
  It was frustrating at the time. Yeah, now I don't give a fuck.
• 1:14:04
  I mean, I can't get another belt now.
• 1:14:10
  Oh yeah. Still goes white, blue, purple,
• 1:14:13
  brown, black. Now jujitsu the system itself,
• 1:14:16
  since there's only 5 belts, you got to spend time at each belt.
• 1:14:19
  Yeah, because as a blue belt you should be whooping the ass of
• 1:14:23
  every white belt that you come in contact with.
• 1:14:25
  OK, If you're not, then. You're not there yet.
• 1:14:29
  You're, you have some work to do because there's a reason why you
• 1:14:32
  got the blue belt. But if you're not like, handling
• 1:14:36
  white belts like you should, Yeah, right then.
• 1:14:40
  Because these are all ranges. So like if you're like towards
• 1:14:42
  the advanced end of a white belt or the beginning end of a blue
• 1:14:44
  belt, hypothetically you guys might be pretty close.
• 1:14:48
  Yes, in in skills. Yes, but once you settle into
• 1:14:51
  your blue belt you should be handing.
• 1:14:53
  Right. Exactly.
• 1:14:53
  So at that point, when you're settled, you should not be at
• 1:14:55
  the bare tip of blue belt. You should be, you know, pretty.
• 1:14:58
  In most cases. In most cases.
• 1:15:00
  Because let me tell you, some people, This is why, like I tell
• 1:15:03
  you to just focus on triangles because a white belt sometimes
• 1:15:07
  will latch onto a move that they do so well, they can't do
• 1:15:12
  anything else. Yeah, do that move so well.
• 1:15:15
  Right. So like the day that you
• 1:15:16
  triangle Mike. Yeah, right.
• 1:15:19
  I was proud because I know Mike was just letting you fuck
• 1:15:22
  around, but when it started getting tight, he actually tried
• 1:15:25
  to escape. But you, you, you, you actually
• 1:15:28
  were able to finish it because of something that you did that
• 1:15:31
  was correct. Yeah.
• 1:15:33
  Right, because there's a thing like, you know, like me, I'll
• 1:15:35
  let you guys get me into shit so I could escape out of it, right?
• 1:15:39
  Sure, but if you do everything as prescribed, guess who's not
• 1:15:44
  escape for you? Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  And. You know, he as an instructor,
• 1:15:48
  like, I don't feel like I need to win every single match.
• 1:15:52
  And if I let myself get into danger or you put me in danger
• 1:15:56
  and I'm unable to get out of it with something that I taught
• 1:15:59
  you, I feel proud. Yeah.
• 1:16:00
  I feel like a proud dad. Yeah.
• 1:16:02
  You know, like, if I'm, if I'm like, alright, like I'm gonna
• 1:16:04
  let Efron get me in the fucking triangle and you finished that
• 1:16:07
  bitch. I'm like damn.
• 1:16:08
  Right, because presumably you know how to get out of that.
• 1:16:13
  You taught me. Time out I got.
• 1:16:14
  This do it awesome jiu jitsu. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:20
  Dude, I love Yeah so. Oh, recording.
• 1:16:23
  Yeah, we're recording. We're back, we're back.
• 1:16:25
  You got a beer on my finger. Cheers too.
• 1:16:28
  Cheers. Mother, hey, I just take pause.
• 1:16:30
  I just wanted to try and express some gap, Oh, express some
• 1:16:34
  gratitude for you having me at your house.
• 1:16:36
  Oh, don't be like that, man. Bro, it's always good to to
• 1:16:39
  express some gratitude. Yeah, man, I'm, I'm really happy
• 1:16:42
  you're here, man, because. You didn't have to, you know.
• 1:16:44
  Hey, you know what dude, it's first of all, I love sharing, I
• 1:16:49
  love hosting and you know dude, like, I mean we spent 3 or 4
• 1:16:53
  mornings each other week, you know?
• 1:16:55
  I mean, I'm happy to have you over, dude.
• 1:16:57
  Chris, when Chris was here, he was so funny, man.
• 1:17:00
  We were recording out here and yeah, there's no and there's
• 1:17:03
  notebook and he comes on taking notes of things he wanted to
• 1:17:05
  talk about. We were smoking the whole time,
• 1:17:07
  like. Are you ever going?
• 1:17:11
  To get out to these notes and he's like, God, it's already the
• 1:17:13
  moment, it's already gone. I can't forget about it.
• 1:17:16
  That's one thing I love about jujitsu is because it reminds me
• 1:17:18
  of the Marine Corps and that like you meet people from
• 1:17:20
  different part walks of life and then I've curated my gym to
• 1:17:25
  where it's like, assholes won't survive.
• 1:17:29
  You know artistical people won't survive, right?
• 1:17:32
  If you're there, it's because you're of like mind or you won't
• 1:17:36
  survive then. Yeah, you could tell.
• 1:17:39
  And like we, we talk a lot of shit.
• 1:17:41
  There's a lot of play, but there's a lot of seriousness
• 1:17:43
  when it comes to training and we take care of each other like a
• 1:17:46
  family. So there's like some of these
• 1:17:49
  invaluable relationships that I build coming out of there.
• 1:17:53
  And I appreciate that because, bro, I didn't grow up Mr.
• 1:17:56
  Popular. I became Mr. Popular quote, UN
• 1:17:59
  quote, when I got out the Marine Corps.
• 1:18:02
  And it's like, oh, everybody loves me because I'm a fucking
• 1:18:03
  veteran. Yeah, you know, everybody loves
• 1:18:06
  me because I'm a fucking black belt.
• 1:18:07
  You know, I'm not used to, I'm not used to having so many
• 1:18:11
  people that that like me. Yeah.
• 1:18:14
  In one place because I'm usually the one that's misunderstood.
• 1:18:19
  And when I realizes that a lot of people.
• 1:18:21
  I misunderstood. I misunderstood and we all just
• 1:18:24
  come together and in that misunderstanding and that being
• 1:18:27
  misunderstood, we find understanding amongst each other
• 1:18:30
  because it's like we were misunderstood because we were,
• 1:18:32
  we were in the wrong areas, we were in the wrong tribe.
• 1:18:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because a tribe is is is a group
• 1:18:38
  of people that come together that have similar values for a
• 1:18:41
  common purpose, right? That's what Tribe is.
• 1:18:43
  And this has to be just a common purpose.
• 1:18:45
  Is getting better just being better?
• 1:18:47
  Being. Better human being.
• 1:18:48
  And yeah, dude, that's what I was going to say, man.
• 1:18:50
  I and I, I've said this probably four or five times in the
• 1:18:52
  podcast already, but Eric, dude, the one of the first classes and
• 1:18:56
  you, you snapped me out of this because I get, I get proud,
• 1:18:58
  right? And one of the first classes, he
• 1:19:00
  was like, OK, let's roll. And like, he sits like this on
• 1:19:03
  the floor with his back to me. I'm like, what the fuck, man?
• 1:19:05
  Get in here, man. Like, what are you doing?
• 1:19:06
  And you said, Hey, we're all here to learn and we're all here
• 1:19:09
  to teach each other. If he's sitting on the floor
• 1:19:10
  with his back to you, I swear to God he could handle it, you
• 1:19:13
  know? And I was like, yeah, man, like
• 1:19:16
  I got to check my ego. Like I was like, like, you know,
• 1:19:19
  like all he's trying to do is help me learn.
• 1:19:20
  And this is my second or third class.
• 1:19:22
  And I was like, and I was like, everyone here, like you're not
• 1:19:25
  here to, to when you're here to, you're here to get better and to
• 1:19:28
  teach. And like, I was like, that is so
• 1:19:30
  that's why I was like, this place is awesome.
• 1:19:32
  That's, that's, that's when I that's when I was like, we're
• 1:19:34
  sticking around this. So happy you're doing it.
• 1:19:38
  Just like she's going to get a membership when the year is
• 1:19:40
  over, closer, closer to home instead of driving out, you
• 1:19:43
  know, 25 minutes in the morning and each way.
• 1:19:45
  And I'm like, I want to say yes, but I'm not.
• 1:19:49
  I, I can't, I, I can't leave now.
• 1:19:50
  Like, like I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm screwed.
• 1:19:54
  Dude, you got me, man. You got me.
• 1:19:56
  The people, even guys like like dude Alex, like I big Alex that,
• 1:20:01
  that with awesome hair and whatever.
• 1:20:04
  Like, you know, I, I don't know if we'd be best friends in the
• 1:20:06
  street, but he is so respectful and so clear and like teaching
• 1:20:11
  me. Oh really, dude?
• 1:20:12
  Great dude, love Alex, great dude, great dude.
• 1:20:15
  And I was just like. Just awesome.
• 1:20:17
  Yeah. I really, I really, I love it.
• 1:20:19
  So do you compete? Last time I competed was last
• 1:20:23
  January. Really.
• 1:20:24
  There's another Marine who was a cop and bro, I went to go grab
• 1:20:28
  him and like, he, he like, waved his hands like this, like trying
• 1:20:31
  to like get away from me. Bro.
• 1:20:33
  His fucking middle finger went like that deep into my eye.
• 1:20:37
  I don't know if I've met you yet.
• 1:20:38
  No, because you started in March.
• 1:20:39
  Yeah bro, I had the biggest black eye.
• 1:20:42
  Really. Yeah the biggest black guy I'm
• 1:20:45
  like how the fuck do I get this from jiu jitsu?
• 1:20:47
  But so I don't I don't compete very often because there's this
• 1:20:50
  saying where like you can't serve 2 masters, OK, right.
• 1:20:53
  And where I where I the principal of that is like, yo,
• 1:20:57
  you can't be a great coach and a great competitor at the same
• 1:21:00
  time. Yeah, right.
• 1:21:02
  I'm 39, bro. Like I'm sure if I hop on some
• 1:21:04
  TRT, which I'm. It's close here the.
• 1:21:07
  Phone with what? What's holding you back?
• 1:21:09
  Because my testosterone's at 400.
• 1:21:12
  What's supposed to be? Medically they say that this is
• 1:21:15
  OK you. Don't want to be in the medical.
• 1:21:18
  OK, Ariel. This is like average, like, oh,
• 1:21:20
  the average man has 400 testosterone.
• 1:21:23
  You're fine. You're 39, you're good.
• 1:21:24
  But no, like they don't, they don't account for the lifestyle
• 1:21:31
  where bro, I'm lifting weights. Yeah, I'm doing jujitsu with
• 1:21:35
  fucking 29 year old Mike Knight, who's in the best shape of his
• 1:21:38
  life. Yeah.
• 1:21:39
  Dude. Right, or, or or or fucking Alex
• 1:21:42
  who's £250? The idea, right?
• 1:21:46
  Like I have to be able to compete with these guys in my
• 1:21:50
  gym. I don't need to go anywhere.
• 1:21:52
  Right. You don't need to be average,
• 1:21:53
  you need to be above average, do you?
• 1:21:55
  Give me 800 to. Be 1500 all crazy.
• 1:22:00
  I don't know give me 8 hundreds like yeah, because what I'll do
• 1:22:05
  is because I don't have a big ego when it comes to jiu jitsu
• 1:22:08
  right, But I I I'm competitive as shit.
• 1:22:11
  So like Mike Knight, right like him Alex, a guy name I call
• 1:22:18
  Luigi. Who the who's his name is Danny,
• 1:22:21
  right? Like so many of my purple belts
• 1:22:24
  are so fucking good that it's a competition every time I go with
• 1:22:27
  them, whether they're more athletic than me or they're like
• 1:22:30
  better at a certain aspect of jiu jitsu than me, like we're
• 1:22:33
  going at it right? Like sneaky black belt tricks
• 1:22:36
  keep me alive. But it's like, bro, I'll go like
• 1:22:40
  the other day I went with like this guy named Josh Marta.
• 1:22:43
  He's a cop and he's like really good.
• 1:22:45
  He's one of our best competitors.
• 1:22:46
  I don't know if you know him because he doesn't come the.
• 1:22:47
  Morning class Thanos. Thanos is amazing.
• 1:22:50
  That guy is huge. Yeah but I love Thanos.
• 1:22:54
  You, you 2 are like my favorite. Jews have very similar mindset.
• 1:22:58
  Said Thanos is a fucking asshole.
• 1:22:59
  Is he? I don't know.
• 1:23:00
  I, I, I've, I've talked to him for 30 seconds.
• 1:23:03
  I never got a chance. Because I was, I started my
• 1:23:06
  podcast. And if you look up Drew Phoenix
• 1:23:08
  podcast, Oh, you have them. It's me and Thanos.
• 1:23:10
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:23:11
  We did the first episode together.
• 1:23:12
  OK. But that deal, I had a deal with
• 1:23:14
  a guy that he was gonna trade for, like his podcast studio
• 1:23:17
  time. Yeah.
• 1:23:18
  And that deal fell throughout the episode 1.
• 1:23:20
  So man. So I'm gonna build a podcast
• 1:23:23
  studio in the gym. Are you?
• 1:23:24
  Yeah, dude, I'm gonna use it then.
• 1:23:26
  All right? Hell yeah.
• 1:23:28
  Drew Phoenix. No, that's not Drew Phoenix.
• 1:23:29
  Podcast. Drew Phoenix Podcast.
• 1:23:30
  DRUDR. U ah shit I right So you were
• 1:23:36
  rolling with Luigi you said yeah 88 pep 88 episodes dude.
• 1:23:41
  No. The Phoenix podcast, I'm sorry.
• 1:23:44
  Drew Phoenix. You got to find it OK.
• 1:23:46
  Yeah, I'll send it to you. Just just text me right now.
• 1:23:48
  Say send me podcast. Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  Oh, so what'd you call it? What was I saying?
• 1:23:55
  Oh, so like I went with like 4 of of, of like my good guys,
• 1:24:01
  yeah. Bro I was dying on the floor
• 1:24:04
  afterwards really. And bro, I was out for like 2
• 1:24:08
  fucking days really. I had to recover.
• 1:24:10
  Yeah, right. And my body hurts, so my back
• 1:24:12
  hurts, so my knees. Do you do any of the cold the
• 1:24:14
  coach punch shit or anything? I like cold plunge.
• 1:24:16
  I think cold plunge is fucking stupid.
• 1:24:19
  The only thing I like about the cold plunge is afterwards.
• 1:24:21
  Like, I feel like mentally great, yeah.
• 1:24:23
  But everyone says it's about. Yeah, but but like as far as
• 1:24:26
  recovery is concerned, from that fucking sauna.
• 1:24:29
  Yeah. Is there sauna?
• 1:24:31
  Oh fuck yeah. Shit, let me know when you want
• 1:24:34
  to go in there. I'll I'll fucking set it up for
• 1:24:36
  you. Really.
• 1:24:36
  It's a benefit that I don't tell most people about because I
• 1:24:38
  don't own it. XPE owns it and we can use it,
• 1:24:42
  but you know, it's their shit. So like I don't try to take
• 1:24:44
  advantage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:47
  I'm already using their weights even though I pay half the rent
• 1:24:49
  so I'm not really like. I don't.
• 1:24:50
  Yeah, I don't feel too bad about that, dude.
• 1:24:52
  Yeah, definitely not. Yeah, yeah, they have cool.
• 1:24:55
  They have great athletes hanging out there, right?
• 1:24:56
  Yeah, bro, because they they train, they train guys trying to
• 1:24:58
  get into the NFL. And then when those guys get
• 1:25:00
  into the NFL, they come back and train during the offseason.
• 1:25:03
  So that's why like this January, February, March, you'll see
• 1:25:05
  there's going to be a lot of fucking giant football players.
• 1:25:07
  Yeah, I remember March towards the end of the towards the end
• 1:25:10
  when I first started, there are a bunch of athletes running.
• 1:25:14
  Around, yeah. So you'll see them.
• 1:25:15
  They're going to start. They're going to come in in
• 1:25:16
  January, that first Monday, back after New Year's, you'll see
• 1:25:19
  them. And it's going to be packed
• 1:25:20
  until March. Crazy.
• 1:25:22
  That's cool. Time in the gym, It's cool.
• 1:25:23
  To see, Yeah, that was nice, right?
• 1:25:26
  For the most part, for the most part, they're because it's like,
• 1:25:31
  I think a lot of them have the understanding that, hey, you run
• 1:25:33
  around with the football and like you bump into each other
• 1:25:35
  and you're like wrestle a little bit.
• 1:25:37
  Like we have skills over here. Now granted, if those guys get
• 1:25:41
  skills. They're you're fucked.
• 1:25:44
  Terrifying. Yeah.
• 1:25:46
  The problem with all professional martial art
• 1:25:50
  athletes, whether it's MMA or Jiu Jitsu, is that they don't
• 1:25:53
  get paid enough. You imagine somebody making
• 1:25:55
  millions per contract and say hey you could come make fucking
• 1:25:59
  10 grand doing jiu. Jitsu.
• 1:26:01
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, in a match, if you're
• 1:26:02
  lucky, yeah, you know, you could get 10 grand in a may fight you.
• 1:26:06
  Know it's a really interesting aspect of the sport.
• 1:26:09
  I I wonder if Paramount putting all the money into it is going
• 1:26:14
  to change it. And now Arab countries are
• 1:26:16
  putting a lot of money into it too.
• 1:26:17
  It's absolutely going to change it.
• 1:26:20
  Will we see good money in our lifetime?
• 1:26:24
  Maybe towards the end because you have to think right.
• 1:26:26
  When was the NFL created? The NFL was huge.
• 1:26:30
  Immediately wasn't. It no.
• 1:26:32
  No, you this year. You like martial arts.
• 1:26:37
  More people than I've ever dreamed of follow or participate
• 1:26:42
  in it. Not for sure.
• 1:26:43
  It's huge now. Yeah, because, OK, in 1992,
• 1:26:46
  that's when they hosted the first UFC.
• 1:26:47
  Let's see which art martial art is the best.
• 1:26:49
  Yeah. But then a lot of people are
• 1:26:51
  like, yo, that's human cock fighting because there were no
• 1:26:53
  rules whatever. And then when Dana White and the
• 1:26:55
  Fertitta brothers took it over and incorporated rules and
• 1:26:58
  bought in the boxing Commission and all of that, that's when it
• 1:27:00
  became a mainstream sport, right?
• 1:27:02
  So. Share Open SO recording.
• 1:27:05
  Is the recording. Yes, we are.
• 1:27:08
  Yeah, we're good. Yeah.
• 1:27:09
  So that's when it became a mainstream sport.
• 1:27:11
  So now we're talking about like. It's taking 20 years for it to,
• 1:27:14
  like, grow. Yeah, so that's why that's why
• 1:27:16
  people don't get paid a lot now. Yeah, NF LS over 100 years old,
• 1:27:20
  right? It's got to be.
• 1:27:21
  It's got to be. It has got to be.
• 1:27:22
  So it had like 100? And boxing is old as fuck too.
• 1:27:25
  Yeah. So like and boxing or decent
• 1:27:27
  money in it, you know. Yeah.
• 1:27:28
  Oh yeah, boxing. You could get paid a lot more
• 1:27:32
  money doing boxing than you would ever do MMA.
• 1:27:34
  Yeah, ever. Yeah, Like Conor.
• 1:27:37
  McGregor Contracts. Dude, yeah.
• 1:27:39
  So like, you know Conor McGregor, right?
• 1:27:41
  He was in our lifetime. Yeah.
• 1:27:42
  Conor McGregor changed the game because he was the first MMA
• 1:27:47
  fighter to get $1 million. To fight, really.
• 1:27:50
  Like contractual, yeah, yeah, $1 million for this.
• 1:27:53
  Yeah. And this is 2016.
• 1:27:54
  And that's nothing, by the way, like not to be speaking, dude,
• 1:27:57
  but. For MMA fighter, yeah, it's
• 1:27:58
  crazy. These guys that I trained, they
• 1:27:59
  get paid like 300 to to show up, 300 to win.
• 1:28:02
  Yeah bro, it is. It is criminal, Yeah it is, but
• 1:28:06
  there's not a lot of money in the sport yet.
• 1:28:08
  That's why I feel bad for, you know, like there are dudes that
• 1:28:11
  like are literally professional fighters that like spent decades
• 1:28:15
  of their lives doing this. And you know when their when
• 1:28:18
  their career is done, they'll have a penny to their name.
• 1:28:20
  It's sad, you know? And you have a great skill, you
• 1:28:24
  know, if you want to talk about skill, skill.
• 1:28:27
  And by the way, it's entertaining as hell too.
• 1:28:29
  If you want to talk about like commercial appeal and value,
• 1:28:32
  dude, for sure it is. And you know why?
• 1:28:34
  Part of the reason is taboos. I I think that people are
• 1:28:36
  looking at it more now like an art than they call than like a
• 1:28:39
  cock fight. Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Well, look at like. Absolutely, Yeah, This is this
• 1:28:41
  is a sport, you know, you're watching and you're like, like,
• 1:28:44
  dude, my my friends were watching and it happens to be
• 1:28:47
  you could tell like, for example, like this is like
• 1:28:49
  what's his name when Islam just fought?
• 1:28:52
  You can tell like who is appreciating what component of
• 1:28:56
  the sport based on what people thought of the fight.
• 1:28:58
  Same thing with DDP when he fought Chermayev.
• 1:29:00
  You know, like I was like, this guy's, I was like, Chermayev's
• 1:29:03
  crazy, all my friends. Like this is the most boring
• 1:29:05
  fight I've ever seen. I'm like grapples.
• 1:29:07
  You. Grapples you.
• 1:29:08
  Know. DDP taking it this whole time.
• 1:29:11
  He's he won five rounds. I'm like, this guy should not be
• 1:29:14
  alive right now. You know, like, yeah, it's
• 1:29:17
  crazy. It's really cool.
• 1:29:18
  It's definitely crazy. And then if you think about
• 1:29:20
  like, I'm glad you talked about like the different, like people
• 1:29:23
  appreciate in different aspects because as an MMA fighter, it's
• 1:29:26
  not like a like a football player, right, If you're a
• 1:29:28
  quarterback. Yeah.
• 1:29:29
  All you like, you train to know routes to throw the ball, to
• 1:29:35
  scramble in and out of the pocket, to stay in the pocket
• 1:29:38
  like you like. It's one specific skill of the
• 1:29:40
  quarterback, yeah. And the running back has a
• 1:29:42
  specific skill, right? And the cornerback.
• 1:29:45
  And it's all compartmentalize MMA.
• 1:29:47
  There's no such thing as that. And.
• 1:29:49
  If you do, you don't make it. No, right.
• 1:29:51
  You have to know everything. Yeah, because back in 1992, when
• 1:29:56
  nobody knew jujitsu, if you knew jujitsu, you're fucking
• 1:29:58
  everybody up. Yeah, right.
• 1:29:59
  But now the American wrestling comes in, and the jujitsu and
• 1:30:03
  the fucking sure, the Taekwondo and the boxing like Ilia
• 1:30:06
  Taporia, the Taporia brothers, and they're boxing for MMA.
• 1:30:10
  And you know that he apparently, allegedly he says that he only
• 1:30:13
  started training boxing when he was like 17 or 18 and he was
• 1:30:16
  doing jiu jitsu and told that like jiu jitsu is a real sport
• 1:30:18
  apparently or like a real skill. Bro you never I've never seen
• 1:30:20
  him do jiu jitsu. Yo go back and watch the pori.
• 1:30:23
  There's a video where Taporio is like flowing through different
• 1:30:26
  submissions. Yeah, he was fucking up.
• 1:30:28
  What's his name? Who's that lunatic?
• 1:30:31
  Oh God. Anti Semite loves it.
• 1:30:32
  Like loves loves Nazis. Shit.
• 1:30:37
  He just lost a bunch of fights, but he was looking really good
• 1:30:39
  for a long time. You know what I'm talking about.
• 1:30:41
  Dana White got pissed off him recently.
• 1:30:44
  What are you? Talking about he fought him
• 1:30:48
  before the title. Real country guy.
• 1:30:50
  Real country guy. Real country guy.
• 1:30:53
  I don't know his. Name that nasty is his nickname.
• 1:30:57
  Bryce Mitchell. Bryce Mitchell.
• 1:30:59
  Google WFC Fighter Country. Bryce Mitchell Mirab and Corey
• 1:31:03
  Sandhagan come up first. Why I I could, I could, I could
• 1:31:09
  understand more. Rob, Corey Sanhagan, I don't
• 1:31:11
  know. I don't know, dude, I think it's
• 1:31:13
  just association that people look up people that just do my
• 1:31:15
  white, you know, white dude, that's, you know, fighting like
• 1:31:18
  that could be a country, country lunatic.
• 1:31:21
  But yeah, dude, his jujitsu was crazy there.
• 1:31:24
  And you know what else, dude? Armand who's getting keeps
• 1:31:26
  getting passed over for a title, dude.
• 1:31:28
  Armand is amazing. Why does he keep getting paid?
• 1:31:30
  You see, it's Paddy versus Gaichi for, for, for the for the
• 1:31:33
  belt. And he just defended the number
• 1:31:35
  one spot again. Because UFC cares more about
• 1:31:38
  putting ass in seats than being fair.
• 1:31:41
  So do you think that goes with the money component when there's
• 1:31:43
  more asses in the seat, there's more potential money, more
• 1:31:46
  revenue and then you can pay the fighters more?
• 1:31:47
  So like long term it's better. But like Connor put asses in
• 1:31:51
  seats which is why he got. The $1,000,000 contract.
• 1:31:53
  Because This is why I tell my fighters I'm like, yo, you can't
• 1:31:57
  just be a good fighter. Is he entertaining?
• 1:31:59
  You need to be entertaining, but you could be the most
• 1:32:03
  entertaining fighter if you get on the mic and you can't.
• 1:32:05
  You don't know how to, like, sell yourself.
• 1:32:07
  Yeah. Then like, OK, I got Ozzy,
• 1:32:10
  right. Ozzy is one of my pro fighters.
• 1:32:12
  Ozzy is actually a black Jew. OK.
• 1:32:14
  Like born in Israel. Cool.
• 1:32:16
  Like his dad is from Atlanta, I believe.
• 1:32:18
  But like, went to Israel and like, they have like, a
• 1:32:21
  community there. Lives in Israel still born
• 1:32:26
  Jewish. Born there in Israel.
• 1:32:29
  Yeah. Ozzy when he gets on the mic,
• 1:32:32
  bro, it's magic. Because he's a salesman, dude.
• 1:32:35
  Bro, yeah. And bro, if there was his first
• 1:32:39
  professional fight, it was just in the height of the Israel
• 1:32:42
  Palestine like, like it might have been like October, the end
• 1:32:48
  of October when he fought, right?
• 1:32:49
  So it was like fresh. And I don't want to butcher what
• 1:32:53
  he says. Just look up Ozzy a Boyd and his
• 1:32:57
  post fight speech was fucking beautiful.
• 1:32:59
  Yeah, because he had the Israeli flag strapped on his back and he
• 1:33:03
  was like, listen, like what's fucked up?
• 1:33:06
  What's wrong is wrong. And like the way that he broke
• 1:33:09
  down what was going on, He's just like, yo, he's like, I just
• 1:33:11
  don't want no more killing. Yeah, let's get to some some
• 1:33:13
  resolution. Like, yeah, it was fucking
• 1:33:15
  beautiful. Like everything this man says on
• 1:33:17
  the mic is, is, is is amazing. Yeah.
• 1:33:20
  And also he's a showman when he's inside the cage, like he
• 1:33:23
  likes to show off. Yeah.
• 1:33:24
  He's really good at fighting. His record doesn't reflect it
• 1:33:27
  right now. OK, what about?
• 1:33:29
  It what about it? Oh, wait.
• 1:33:32
  The other thing I heard people talking about MMA, about UFC in
• 1:33:35
  general, MMA, is that record, like an undefeated record
• 1:33:38
  doesn't mean as much as what boxing does.
• 1:33:40
  Like Charles Oliveira, he said 12 losses or something like
• 1:33:42
  that. You know, like everyone thinks
• 1:33:44
  Olivera is like a, like a great, you know?
• 1:33:46
  Because in MMA, all you got to do is string together like four
• 1:33:49
  wins, 4 impressive wins. If you knock four people out in
• 1:33:53
  a row, you're MMA God for that time period.
• 1:33:56
  Yeah, Right. So you could go on a losing
• 1:33:58
  streak as long as you get that 434 in a row.
• 1:34:00
  Yeah. You're fine, Still working on
• 1:34:02
  that? Yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Yeah. He's have a lot of luck, dude.
• 1:34:06
  Wow. He's still, he's still fighting.
• 1:34:09
  Yeah, we just went to Atlanta and we lost the fight.
• 1:34:13
  Yeah. Do you know, like how much do
• 1:34:15
  you study these? How often do you study these
• 1:34:17
  fights? Do you study the opponents
• 1:34:18
  before the fights? After.
• 1:34:19
  Because I, we were talking before I I did a pre.
• 1:34:22
  I'm going to do another podcast hopefully after.
• 1:34:24
  I hope you win Sydney, because my friend Joe's is his trainer,
• 1:34:28
  his weight lifting trainer and great dude.
• 1:34:31
  By the way, I should introduce you to him.
• 1:34:32
  You'd love him. He's Cuban and Venezuelan.
• 1:34:35
  Great dude. Also Marine or Navy, one of the
• 1:34:38
  two. OK.
• 1:34:41
  And so either he's cool or he's not.
• 1:34:42
  Yeah, he's cool anyway, but he he's cool or he's not.
• 1:34:47
  The different branches of service talk shit about it.
• 1:34:48
  Yeah, for sure, I did for sure. So he so he so Cindy and I were
• 1:34:54
  talking and I was like, dude, you how you're the guy you're
• 1:34:56
  fighting. What's he good at?
• 1:34:58
  Because like the last fight that Cindy lost, he was getting
• 1:35:01
  elbowed non-stop and he didn't have any answer to it.
• 1:35:03
  And like he was like kind of getting like control on top.
• 1:35:07
  Like as far as jiu jitsu goes, he's keeping control.
• 1:35:08
  But like the guy just kept on like doing more damage to him
• 1:35:11
  and he didn't have any answer to it.
• 1:35:12
  And he? Wasn't cut by Bellator.
• 1:35:14
  You're talking about the black guy?
• 1:35:14
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:16
  And he got cut by Bellator and. Now the guy he had on the floor
• 1:35:20
  is really fucking good, really. He's very crafty with his jiu
• 1:35:24
  jitsu. He's fucking amazing dude.
• 1:35:27
  So for Sydney, be able to to control him like that.
• 1:35:29
  Yeah, so he's like, I felt like my control, but controlling him
• 1:35:33
  was like enough to like get the win.
• 1:35:35
  And it wasn't because it went down to just.
• 1:35:36
  MMA 2012, Sydney would have won. Yeah, but now, OK, so the thing
• 1:35:42
  about it is like the judges came from boxing, right?
• 1:35:46
  Because it's part of the boxing Commission.
• 1:35:48
  So a lot of the judges, they don't have an in depth
• 1:35:53
  understanding of MMA, which is what Dana White's gripe is about
• 1:35:57
  the judges was what what especially Joe Rogan's gripe is
• 1:36:00
  about the judges. So judging back then, Sydney
• 1:36:05
  would have won that fight, right?
• 1:36:07
  But around like mid 2010, sorry, like 2015, 2016 around there,
• 1:36:13
  yeah, they started to judge what the guys doing on the bottom
• 1:36:16
  because they realized that playing a guard in jiu jitsu is
• 1:36:20
  just as effective as being on top.
• 1:36:22
  So, like, you're not gonna judge Charles Oliveira from being on
• 1:36:24
  his back, right, because he's fucking elbowing you.
• 1:36:27
  He's working himself to a triangle.
• 1:36:29
  He's gonna end up on your back. Yeah, like, you have to.
• 1:36:31
  Yeah, you have to, to, to and. His back is an advantage to him.
• 1:36:34
  Is an advantage to him. Yeah, right.
• 1:36:36
  So the guy Sydney fought is the same thing.
• 1:36:39
  That guy kept elbowing him. He kept doing shit to Sydney, so
• 1:36:43
  Sydney was not. And if Sydney wasn't causing any
• 1:36:45
  damage, right? So I was so I was like, dude,
• 1:36:46
  but if you studied this guy before, you would know that he
• 1:36:49
  would do that, no. Well, here's the thing.
• 1:36:52
  This there there's a there's a double edged sword when it comes
• 1:36:55
  to studying somebody. OK, I forgot which fighter GSP.
• 1:37:01
  OK. Yeah, GSP.
• 1:37:03
  Let's go. Nothing.
• 1:37:08
  We are all good just closing a couple of windows that we don't
• 1:37:11
  need because apparently it's overheating.
• 1:37:14
  Shit. OK, You all good?
• 1:37:18
  OK. Yeah, GSP.
• 1:37:20
  So GSP, him and his coaches refuse to let GSP fight unless
• 1:37:26
  there's six months in between fights.
• 1:37:29
  Really to? Recover being not to recover.
• 1:37:32
  The reason being is that it takes you 6 months to adapt and
• 1:37:37
  be able to, I can't think of the word I'm trying to use big
• 1:37:41
  words, but for you to show new skills, yeah, for you to be able
• 1:37:44
  to confidently use new you. Know the holes in your game too.
• 1:37:48
  Yeah. And to use new skills, it's six
• 1:37:50
  months, OK, to battle against what you're talking about.
• 1:37:54
  Like they could study GSP in one fight and they're like, oh, all
• 1:37:57
  he does is wrestle and this is how he does it.
• 1:37:59
  But he's had six months to develop a new game.
• 1:38:01
  So if you stay married to the idea that he's going to do every
• 1:38:04
  time he steps with his right leg, he's going to take a punch
• 1:38:08
  and shoot because he's been showing that in his last fight,
• 1:38:11
  his next fight, he's going to step with the left leg, throw a
• 1:38:13
  hook and then shoot. Yeah, you know, he's going to do
• 1:38:16
  an overhand and then do a shoot. I wonder if that's happened with
• 1:38:18
  Pereira and Uncle of the second time because Pereira finished
• 1:38:21
  him in a minute. Dude.
• 1:38:22
  I mean, and I it doesn't. It didn't even look like Uncle
• 1:38:24
  was at all ready for anything. True.
• 1:38:26
  And you know, Pereira said that that first fight, he was sick,
• 1:38:29
  injured about it. He was injured.
• 1:38:31
  It showed. That second fight, he's like,
• 1:38:34
  I'm gonna fuck. Yeah, you saw it.
• 1:38:37
  We just fucking went out there. He's like, let's go.
• 1:38:39
  Yeah, the first round did. I was so happy because, yo, I
• 1:38:44
  didn't like, I didn't like Alex at first because I liked Izzy.
• 1:38:48
  Yeah. But then after his whole Izzy
• 1:38:50
  beef stopped. Yeah.
• 1:38:52
  I fucking became such a fan bro. When he did comes out, he's just
• 1:38:55
  like with that music and then he shoot the arrow like.
• 1:38:59
  Dude, my crazy, my first fight that I watched that got me to go
• 1:39:03
  to the gym was UFC 300 was I watched the IT was Holloway
• 1:39:08
  Gaichi that that huge knockout dude.
• 1:39:11
  And I watched that and I was losing my mind.
• 1:39:14
  And then the next and then the next fight, Pereira fights Hill
• 1:39:17
  and like I just saw a five round or was it three or five round
• 1:39:20
  slugfest, right. And then Pereira just
• 1:39:22
  assassinates him and I'm like. What is this?
• 1:39:26
  Is that why he pushed the reference?
• 1:39:27
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, because he got like
• 1:39:28
  a ball. Tab.
• 1:39:29
  And he's like, he's like, come on, I got this.
• 1:39:31
  I'm OK, yeah. It's amazing.
• 1:39:34
  I was, I I, I haven't missed a fight since.
• 1:39:36
  I haven't missed a fight, you know, like a fight card since
• 1:39:38
  then. Dude, I like dude, I was like,
• 1:39:41
  this sport got me, man. I'm this sport got me, man.
• 1:39:44
  It's amazing. It's a, it's a, a big blessing.
• 1:39:47
  It's an honor for me to be like a coach in the sport.
• 1:39:49
  And I just, I love being in this environment and I love being
• 1:39:53
  around warriors. Yeah, you know, because there
• 1:39:56
  there's a guy who wrote a book, Robert Moore, the king warrior
• 1:39:59
  magician lover. And he talks about how men have
• 1:40:02
  4 archetypes that that develop our psyche.
• 1:40:05
  And the way, the easiest way to understand is look at all the
• 1:40:08
  Ninja Turtles, OK, OK, so you have king, warrior, magician,
• 1:40:11
  lover. OK, now all of the Ninja
• 1:40:13
  Turtles, their base is a warrior because, you know, they they
• 1:40:16
  that's what they do. They're warriors.
• 1:40:18
  But Leonardo King, right? He issues orders.
• 1:40:21
  He's the leader. Yeah, Rafael is the warrior.
• 1:40:24
  He fucking takes action. He's one of the fight and die
• 1:40:26
  for what he believes in. Yeah.
• 1:40:28
  Michelangelo lover. He fucking loves what he's
• 1:40:30
  doing. Yeah.
• 1:40:31
  Donatello magician. He has fucking skills, right?
• 1:40:34
  He's always coming up with some crazy inventions.
• 1:40:36
  And you need to you got to focus on each of them.
• 1:40:38
  Right. Usually though, you gravitate
• 1:40:41
  towards 2. Me.
• 1:40:43
  I've been a warrior lover for my entire fucking life, and now
• 1:40:46
  I've had to transition to being a king because I'm a leader of
• 1:40:48
  the gym, right? Right, so.
• 1:40:51
  Totally different experience. Totally different experience.
• 1:40:53
  So like to be a warrior, right? I talked about this in, in, in
• 1:40:56
  the the podcast with Thanos and he gave me a little push back,
• 1:40:58
  right? Because he doesn't like it.
• 1:41:00
  He like like he thinks like, oh, being associated with a warrior,
• 1:41:02
  like, oh, you're trying to be like big like, yeah.
• 1:41:05
  And that's not what I mean when I talk about a warrior.
• 1:41:08
  It's just somebody who like very basically, like you come to a
• 1:41:13
  mat in a padded room and you sit there and you try to hurt your
• 1:41:17
  friends. And in the act of hurting your
• 1:41:20
  friends, you become closer, OK. And you laugh and joke and you
• 1:41:25
  go through it, you know, because what happens at the end of every
• 1:41:28
  practice, we sit around and talk a little shit.
• 1:41:29
  Yeah. You know, so it's like some
• 1:41:33
  people don't understand that. Like, I was dating.
• 1:41:36
  So during the pandemic, I used to live with with this, this
• 1:41:42
  girl who was the purple belt cool named Diane.
• 1:41:44
  She was an artist and she, I had an apartment in Fort Lauderdale.
• 1:41:49
  My family had fell on some hard times, so I said they could go
• 1:41:52
  to the apartment. Diane needed a roommate.
• 1:41:54
  So I was like, OK, fuck it. Like, I'll go, I'll go be her
• 1:41:56
  roommate because I never looked at her once and was attracted to
• 1:41:59
  her. She's an attractive girl, but I
• 1:42:00
  never was attracted to her because a lot of the girls I
• 1:42:02
  train with, like, I'm not attracted to.
• 1:42:04
  Yeah. It's like you get sweaty and
• 1:42:06
  stinky just like I never make it weird.
• 1:42:09
  Yeah. Even though sometimes like I may
• 1:42:11
  like push off and touch a titty or something.
• 1:42:14
  Not like I'm like never like Oh my God.
• 1:42:16
  I. Just touched a titty.
• 1:42:18
  It's just like, yeah, sorry, you know, so, so Diane, you know,
• 1:42:26
  she had a place and she is a nice place and she needed the
• 1:42:29
  roommate. I was like, oh, let me do it,
• 1:42:30
  you know, get my family, my, my apartment.
• 1:42:33
  And that and, and the pandemic had just happened right after we
• 1:42:36
  moved in. So she's dating this dude,
• 1:42:40
  right? And she, she's an artist.
• 1:42:41
  So she had artist friends and she had jujitsu friends and she
• 1:42:44
  was like OK all I need him to do is meet my jiu jitsu friends
• 1:42:47
  because he passed the test of my artist friend.
• 1:42:49
  So that night me and Diane literally try to beat the shit
• 1:42:52
  out of each other and she had a dinner party so that the jiu
• 1:42:57
  jitsu friends can meet the guy. And me and Diane were excited
• 1:43:03
  talking about like, oh, when you did this, I tried this.
• 1:43:06
  I tried that because it was really a chess match.
• 1:43:08
  Like I wasn't trying to use strength on her.
• 1:43:10
  Like it was really like skill for skill, like going back and
• 1:43:12
  forth, back and forth. And Diane's really good at
• 1:43:13
  triangles and arm bars. OK, fucking really good.
• 1:43:16
  So like you escape on me like oh shit, like I'm out like.
• 1:43:18
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I try to throw her and
• 1:43:21
  she did this and you know, it's fucking crazy.
• 1:43:23
  And we're like laughing about it.
• 1:43:25
  That guy was at the table with us, visibly uncomfortable.
• 1:43:28
  Yeah, I didn't catch on until afterwards.
• 1:43:30
  Like, oh shit, he's not going to like that.
• 1:43:31
  Yeah. Bro literally couple days after
• 1:43:34
  that conversation he just disappeared.
• 1:43:37
  Yeah, wouldn't talk to her because he just couldn't like.
• 1:43:40
  Hey, couldn't deal with it. By the way.
• 1:43:41
  I, I, I kind of hear that if you're, if you're not part of
• 1:43:43
  the world, I could see how it's like the most platonic thing in
• 1:43:47
  the world and like the most professional.
• 1:43:50
  It's, it's intimate and professional at the same time.
• 1:43:53
  Like, and I think that everyone understands that like there's
• 1:43:55
  like space that's like typically not like, you know, I give like
• 1:44:00
  the lazy river dude. Like the lazy river, you always
• 1:44:02
  end up like bumping up against someone that like, yeah, like,
• 1:44:05
  oh, it's like I'm a little close to like me hanging out and like,
• 1:44:08
  yeah, you know, I never thought of like hanging out like to each
• 1:44:11
  other. Like my arm is like bumping into
• 1:44:12
  you. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry.
• 1:44:13
  Like, you know, old grandma or hot or hot girl, like sorry
• 1:44:17
  about that, you know, but like other like fat dude in Disney
• 1:44:20
  World, you know, like sorry, but like Jujitsu's too is like, like
• 1:44:23
  you also like ascribe me to the fact that like we're going into
• 1:44:26
  the gym to fight our bodies like on the line and like, nothing
• 1:44:29
  we're doing is like disrespectful or like, like this
• 1:44:32
  is like a place of like something art.
• 1:44:35
  Like this is a place of art. Yeah, right.
• 1:44:36
  But like if you're not in that, you're like, what the fuck is
• 1:44:39
  this shit? You know?
• 1:44:39
  Like this is weird as hell. Between his legs.
• 1:44:41
  Like I'm, I'm, I'm teaching you triangles, right triangles,
• 1:44:44
  Literally me in between your. Legs.
• 1:44:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, you choking me with your
• 1:44:48
  legs? Yeah, you're fucking nuts are on
• 1:44:50
  my right, but do I ever think about like, oh shit, fucking
• 1:44:55
  Efron's nuts are right? I know.
• 1:44:57
  You're thinking about. No, I'm.
• 1:44:58
  Thinking like, you know, if I don't get out of here, I'm
• 1:45:00
  fucking dead. Yeah, yeah, I guess, you know,
• 1:45:04
  that's like, it's like when things are harder, you don't
• 1:45:07
  worry about the littler things, you know, like when things are
• 1:45:10
  more difficult. And that's why when things are
• 1:45:12
  too good, you get like wimpy, you know, like complaints and
• 1:45:15
  shit like that. You're like, like, how come you
• 1:45:17
  don't hear about like, you know, and like, I've heard this
• 1:45:19
  argument about America and like other countries, like you didn't
• 1:45:22
  see like LGBTQ parade, you know, parades in like Colombia, like
• 1:45:25
  they're not as rich as we fucking are.
• 1:45:26
  That everyone's just walking around being like, I want to
• 1:45:28
  express my sexuality here. You're like, yeah, you're like,
• 1:45:31
  dude, we got like to put like food on the table.
• 1:45:33
  Like we got like, I got to get water for my family.
• 1:45:35
  Yeah, yeah. You know, like we got to do
• 1:45:36
  shit, you know, like I'm not worried about this shit, you
• 1:45:38
  know? So I think that, you know, it's,
• 1:45:40
  I think that all this is the same thing when there's
• 1:45:42
  different stakes, different things mean different things.
• 1:45:44
  But I also think that you have to be in that world.
• 1:45:46
  I get where that dude's coming. From No, absolutely.
• 1:45:48
  You know, that's why, like, when people start talking about
• 1:45:50
  privilege, right? Yeah, I can understand what
• 1:45:54
  you're talking about, right? OK Like, it's like white
• 1:45:57
  privilege, right? I understand what white
• 1:46:00
  privilege means, OK. However, I think that when you
• 1:46:06
  travel around the world, you gain a, a really good
• 1:46:09
  perspective, right? And it helps guide you in a, in
• 1:46:13
  a great way. So, for example, I've never been
• 1:46:17
  to a house in America that didn't have a fridge, right?
• 1:46:21
  I've never been to a house in America that didn't have a
• 1:46:22
  microwave. Yeah.
• 1:46:24
  I've been to a few houses, a couple of houses I know.
• 1:46:27
  You're saying? I know you're saying yeah, yeah,
• 1:46:29
  you're smart if you don't have a microwave, but a stove?
• 1:46:33
  Even if you're laying on a fucking air mattress, there's a
• 1:46:37
  stove. Yep, there's a fridge.
• 1:46:40
  Yep, you probably have either an AC or a heater.
• 1:46:42
  You'd probably have one of the other.
• 1:46:44
  Probably. Bro I've been to I've lived 2
• 1:46:47
  1/2 years in Africa combined right crazy.
• 1:46:49
  I'll station in China as well. OK OK I seen what real fucking
• 1:46:54
  poverty is buddy. Africans are the most hospitable
• 1:46:59
  people that I've ever been around in those two countries.
• 1:47:02
  And I was in Guinea and I was in Niger W Africans, super
• 1:47:05
  hospitable. I was rich in their eyes.
• 1:47:08
  Yeah, OK. And they used to invite me to
• 1:47:11
  their mud huts to fucking eat. Amazing.
• 1:47:15
  Right, because I took a liking to their culture, I figured out
• 1:47:18
  that, like in Africa, it's not like, oh, I'm black and you're
• 1:47:20
  not. Yeah.
• 1:47:21
  It's like I'm from the Susu tribe.
• 1:47:23
  You're Mandingo. You're you're you know, there's
• 1:47:26
  a different tribe. Yeah.
• 1:47:30
  I think of the names right now. Dulani, Right.
• 1:47:33
  There's like different tribes. That's how they identify
• 1:47:36
  themselves. Right.
• 1:47:37
  OK, So with me, they're like, oh, like you like us, like, come
• 1:47:41
  to my house. Yeah.
• 1:47:42
  So like the wife would bring, like, a plate full of couscous
• 1:47:45
  and just throw a fucking hand on top and throw a bunch of sauce.
• 1:47:48
  Yeah. And it's like a big ass dish.
• 1:47:50
  And it's like, you're there, you're there, you're there.
• 1:47:51
  Let's and let's fucking eat. Let's go, you know?
• 1:47:56
  So I'm in somebody's mud Hut doing this.
• 1:47:58
  There is no AC here. Yeah, some people have
• 1:48:02
  electricity. Some people have a water bottle
• 1:48:04
  that's stuck on top in a hole that when the sun shines on it,
• 1:48:08
  the water, no, it doesn't heat it up.
• 1:48:09
  The water creates the light. Oh shit, really?
• 1:48:14
  Instead of electricity. Instead of electricity, this is
• 1:48:16
  how these people live. Wow.
• 1:48:19
  Right. And then, you know, something
• 1:48:20
  one person told me brought me to his mud Hut.
• 1:48:22
  He was like, hey, he's like, one thing about Africa is that we
• 1:48:25
  would never starve. Because if I have a pot of rice,
• 1:48:28
  we have a pot of rice. And he pointed like down to the
• 1:48:31
  neighborhood. Yeah.
• 1:48:32
  And I was like, fuck. So it's like when.
• 1:48:34
  You you think if you think if they're all rich, they keep that
• 1:48:36
  same mentality. I don't know, right?
• 1:48:39
  Because poverty brings out the best in you, right?
• 1:48:41
  It could. It could, Yeah, Yeah, you're
• 1:48:43
  right. Yeah, it could.
• 1:48:44
  It could, right. But also, you know, in in
• 1:48:46
  Speaking of it, right, for a, say conversation, being rich can
• 1:48:49
  too, because you if you share. Sure, sure.
• 1:48:51
  If you share I was talking to my sister about this yesterday.
• 1:48:53
  I think that money, just like alcohol almost accentuates
• 1:48:58
  what's in US, you know, and if you've got like a good like if
• 1:49:01
  like I was talking to my sister about this yesterday, because
• 1:49:04
  we're both talking about how like we're working towards like
• 1:49:05
  we're listen, like we're we, she's she, we both have two
• 1:49:08
  kids. We both have a mortgage.
• 1:49:10
  We both are trying to like make our way through the world And
• 1:49:12
  like, you know, I mean, things are not as comfortable as we
• 1:49:15
  would let you know, as we as and as everyone would always like
• 1:49:18
  more, right? You know, and we're like, but
• 1:49:20
  we're working towards it and we're learning to appreciate
• 1:49:22
  what we have. And I was like, and then when we
• 1:49:23
  do have it, we're not happy because we have money.
• 1:49:26
  We're happy because we're happy and money helps us too, you
• 1:49:29
  know, like, and we're like, that's fucking awesome, you
• 1:49:32
  know? But people get, you know, I know
• 1:49:33
  that I know a lot of people that get rich overnight and if
• 1:49:37
  they're not worked on, they it's like, it just accentuates
• 1:49:41
  whatever they're already like, but times more, you know, like
• 1:49:44
  if you're in a shitty mood and you drink a bunch of beer,
• 1:49:46
  you're just in a bad mood. You're just like a angry dude.
• 1:49:48
  You know, you're in a green mood and you drink a bunch of beer
• 1:49:50
  like, Oh yeah, everyone's like best friend.
• 1:49:51
  I fucking love everyone. You know, I think, I think it's
• 1:49:53
  the same thing. Yeah, so hot button subject,
• 1:49:55
  right? Yeah, Andrew Tate talks about
• 1:49:56
  that a lot. Dude, what's this guy's deal?
• 1:49:58
  OK, so I'm I'm gonna tell you I. Don't know anything about him.
• 1:50:01
  I'm I have like a natural aversion just because of what
• 1:50:05
  I've heard about. I don't know anything about.
• 1:50:06
  Him OK, so just to give you a back history of him, right,
• 1:50:11
  Andrew Tate's dad was a grand champion chess master, a grand,
• 1:50:16
  a Grand Master in chess. OK.
• 1:50:19
  And that's what he did for work. For work, yes.
• 1:50:24
  So naturally he taught his kids chess.
• 1:50:27
  And Andrew Tate has a high ass ELO.
• 1:50:31
  How you do one thing, you do everything.
• 1:50:33
  So because I knew this history about him, I knew that in
• 1:50:37
  looking at him, when everybody's talking shit, you can't take it
• 1:50:40
  for face value. You really got to dig in because
• 1:50:43
  if it's just some asshole on the Internet talking shit, right,
• 1:50:47
  you could take that like, like there's plenty of assholes on
• 1:50:49
  the Internet talking shit that I can't fucking stand.
• 1:50:51
  Yeah, because I know that Tate is such a good chess player, it
• 1:50:57
  made me more open to see what he's doing.
• 1:50:59
  So in I forgot what year it was. It might have been 2022.
• 1:51:07
  Andrew Tay got really popular because what he did is he told
• 1:51:12
  he has a school called Hustlers University.
• 1:51:15
  Right. That's like a marketing thing,
• 1:51:16
  right? Well, he teaches people what
• 1:51:19
  what he says is like 12 modern, I think it's 12 modern wealth
• 1:51:24
  creation methods, which is like usually from the Internet.
• 1:51:26
  And he says that he teaches people just how to make money.
• 1:51:30
  So it's like, it's like you could go into the school and you
• 1:51:32
  could like pick a subject like AI and then like there's a guy
• 1:51:35
  like a professor there that will will teach you everything there
• 1:51:37
  is to know the AI to start making money.
• 1:51:39
  OK. And he says that he, he wants
• 1:51:41
  people to get rich because he doesn't like just having such
• 1:51:45
  few friends or whatever like or some shit goes down.
• 1:51:48
  Like he wants people to be able to support him.
• 1:51:50
  So like that's his that's what he says is why he does that,
• 1:51:53
  right. So.
• 1:51:54
  Bigger chest move, yeah. Yeah, right.
• 1:51:56
  Because like, if some shit goes down, he's going to need big
• 1:51:57
  pictures. Because you start off with the
• 1:51:59
  Hustlers University and then you could go and like, you could pay
• 1:52:02
  X amount of money to become like part of like his, like his
• 1:52:06
  organization. And then like, you could like do
• 1:52:08
  meet ups with him and shit. And then like when he trusts you
• 1:52:10
  enough, he like brings you in the circle.
• 1:52:11
  OK, Right. That's like his thing.
• 1:52:13
  OK, OK. If you look at a lot of the
• 1:52:18
  things that he did when he was blowing up on the Internet in
• 1:52:21
  the Hustlers University, he's like, yo, if you take my videos
• 1:52:24
  and you just make little clips and post them on Instagram, post
• 1:52:26
  them on YouTube, post them on Twitter, post them on wherever.
• 1:52:29
  Yeah, right. You can get X amount of money if
• 1:52:32
  they sign up for for Houston University, right?
• 1:52:35
  So he's making it a sense of on both sides, right?
• 1:52:36
  With so many different pages posting Andrew Tate's content,
• 1:52:40
  he became viral. Yeah.
• 1:52:42
  And what he was talking about was super controversial, right?
• 1:52:47
  Mainly like he would say some misogynist, misogynist shit
• 1:52:53
  while simultaneously telling men that they need to, they need to
• 1:52:57
  do stuff like work out, be strong, learn how to fight,
• 1:53:01
  learn how to be rich so that you could take care of your family,
• 1:53:04
  right. And if you look at, you could
• 1:53:06
  look at find him talking like sweet about women and saying
• 1:53:09
  that like, I do all this so I can take care of my women.
• 1:53:11
  It's not that I hate women, right?
• 1:53:13
  So you, so you got to look at his long form content to
• 1:53:15
  understand truly that him becoming viral in the way that
• 1:53:19
  he did was a chess move so that he could create more wealth for
• 1:53:23
  himself. And he has like fucking 10 kids.
• 1:53:25
  So he could just pass that down to his kids.
• 1:53:28
  Now, is he a good person? Is he a bad person?
• 1:53:30
  I don't fucking know. But what I do know is that
• 1:53:33
  people are trying to put him in jail.
• 1:53:35
  He actually went to jail in Romania.
• 1:53:38
  But in Romania they've had, they went through his house, have all
• 1:53:43
  his video of his security cameras in his house, right?
• 1:53:48
  They have all these people and in three years they can't come
• 1:53:52
  up with a conviction? Broke all of his security
• 1:53:56
  footage. Right.
• 1:53:58
  You had you took half of his fucking super.
• 1:54:01
  Cars. So you're saying this guy talks
• 1:54:02
  like an animal, but if there's anything to back it then in
• 1:54:05
  three years something would have happened?
• 1:54:06
  Yeah, like there would have been a conviction right when he came
• 1:54:08
  to Florida, fucking Rhonda Sanders in them fucking try to
• 1:54:12
  charge him with something. That shit got thrown out because
• 1:54:14
  there was no evidence. That's interesting.
• 1:54:16
  Right. It's like if the person is truly
• 1:54:18
  bad and you have all of this stuff you took from his house
• 1:54:23
  when he wasn't expecting it, Yeah, he got roped at thinking
• 1:54:26
  like 2024 New Year's. You didn't think as a chess
• 1:54:30
  player you'd expect to get caught at one point, or to
• 1:54:32
  expect to get given a hard time? Good question, right?
• 1:54:35
  But it's like if you were doing bullshit at your house, like you
• 1:54:42
  would slip up somehow. Yeah, I do right.
• 1:54:45
  Like. There's cameras, right?
• 1:54:47
  It cameras all the time, and let's just say you get an
• 1:54:50
  argument with your wife or you talk too crazy.
• 1:54:52
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They can take them.
• 1:54:54
  But look how violent he is, Yeah?
• 1:54:55
  Yeah, yeah. You never had anything like
• 1:54:57
  that. If if there was something that
• 1:55:00
  could've. And the media is hot.
• 1:55:01
  Media is awesome of digging that shit up too.
• 1:55:03
  Yes. So if there was something in
• 1:55:06
  those video recordings, that's a good point, Substantial.
• 1:55:09
  That's a fair point. The witnesses, those girls that
• 1:55:11
  were that were right since he did shit, there was substantial
• 1:55:14
  evidence he would be under the jail now, right?
• 1:55:17
  But they couldn't keep him in jail because they don't have
• 1:55:19
  enough evidence. How do you not have enough
• 1:55:21
  evidence? Right?
• 1:55:22
  Right. This guy's a rapist.
• 1:55:23
  This guy's whatever you call a trafficker.
• 1:55:26
  This guy's whatever, you know, like where's he's.
• 1:55:27
  American let's innocent until proven guilty.
• 1:55:30
  Where is the proven guilty? This shit has been going on for
• 1:55:33
  so long. Where is the proven guilty?
• 1:55:35
  Yeah, so until they prove him guilty, I'm just going to listen
• 1:55:38
  with a grain of salt. Right.
• 1:55:40
  Listen with a grain of salt. Yeah, and that goes back to what
• 1:55:43
  we were talking about earlier with hey man, I'm an adult.
• 1:55:45
  I could determine for myself what I'm listening to, if
• 1:55:47
  there's something that's for me or not.
• 1:55:50
  Yeah, or like so on that same principle, right?
• 1:55:55
  I ban my kids from Roblox, their favorite fucking game in the
• 1:55:57
  whole world. By the way, apparently it's a
• 1:55:59
  shit show with traffickers and shit like that.
• 1:56:01
  Yes, The reason why I did this, OK, I understand that.
• 1:56:04
  Like, was it Minecraft and shit? Like all of those games where
• 1:56:08
  it's like on the Internet and like people can talk to each
• 1:56:10
  other? First thing I told them was
• 1:56:11
  like, don't fucking talk to nobody.
• 1:56:13
  Yeah, I don't care what they say.
• 1:56:15
  You do not talk to anybody in one of those fucking games.
• 1:56:17
  Yeah, OK, That's one thing. The CEO of Roblox banned this
• 1:56:25
  one user who got groomed off of Roblox.
• 1:56:28
  Wow. I don't know his exact story or
• 1:56:30
  what happened when he got groomed, but he did.
• 1:56:32
  He there was a grooming. Yeah, right, of this kid.
• 1:56:36
  So what he did is that he started posing as a child and he
• 1:56:41
  was catching predators on Roblox and then getting him arrested.
• 1:56:45
  Nice, yeah. CEO comes out, he's like, there
• 1:56:48
  will be no vigilantes on this platform.
• 1:56:50
  Ban that guy. Whoa.
• 1:56:52
  So second, he banned that guy. He banned the dude that was
• 1:56:56
  catching pedophiles. Seen the fucking pedophiles so
• 1:57:00
  now I have to have an uncomfortable conversation with
• 1:57:01
  the kids. I'm like fuck.
• 1:57:03
  By the way, it's not that uncomfortable conversation.
• 1:57:05
  Well, I know you love this game, guys, but it's dangerous, and
• 1:57:08
  apparently the company's actively fighting to stop the
• 1:57:11
  dangerous things from stopping, so I don't know what to tell.
• 1:57:13
  You that's what, 6 year old? You can get hurt.
• 1:57:16
  I don't want to get hurt. Yes, I have to keep reminding
• 1:57:20
  him. Yeah, you do.
• 1:57:21
  You're going to have to drill it into.
• 1:57:22
  His favorite game that all his friends are playing.
• 1:57:24
  All his friends are talking. About right, yeah, Yeah.
• 1:57:26
  I have to explain to him, listen, the person who owns
• 1:57:31
  Roblox, he supports people who hurts kids.
• 1:57:36
  Yeah. Well, how does he do that daddy?
• 1:57:38
  Well, the guy that was trying to help, trying to help protect the
• 1:57:41
  kids he banned. He puts Superman in jail,
• 1:57:44
  Superman in jail. He puts Superman in jail, right?
• 1:57:46
  He's like, I'm like, do you, do you support people that hurt
• 1:57:49
  kids? No.
• 1:57:51
  But I really like the game. And I'm like Khalil, I
• 1:57:53
  understand. He's trying to separate the art
• 1:57:55
  from the artist. Yeah.
• 1:57:56
  Right, which I understand. Yeah, totally.
• 1:57:59
  But like, these are one of those hard life lessons that you have
• 1:58:01
  to learn on a man. So as a man, like, you have to
• 1:58:02
  stand on principle. I'm like, Khalil, first of all,
• 1:58:05
  you're an amazing artist. You should be.
• 1:58:07
  You should be drawing. When will you play a fucking
• 1:58:09
  game anyway? Yeah, Right.
• 1:58:10
  And I do put restrictions on them.
• 1:58:12
  Like you. You asked me Like, what do I do
• 1:58:13
  as a parent? Yeah.
• 1:58:15
  One thing is like in Saturday morning, OK, Sunday morning when
• 1:58:20
  they wake up, they have to brush their teeth.
• 1:58:22
  They have to do 50 push ups before they touch the TV or
• 1:58:24
  touch an iPad. Nice.
• 1:58:26
  Right, because they have to understand that their hygiene
• 1:58:29
  and their training is 10 times as important as that fucking
• 1:58:32
  game. Yeah.
• 1:58:33
  Good for you. Right.
• 1:58:34
  Good for you. Thank you.
• 1:58:35
  That's awesome. So part of that is the reason
• 1:58:37
  why they were able to let it go. So sure.
• 1:58:40
  Because they realized it wasn't. Their life wasn't evolving
• 1:58:42
  around. That yeah.
• 1:58:43
  So it's like Khalil and my 6 year old, Cody, my 11 year old,
• 1:58:46
  and then my nephew who's 8, right?
• 1:58:49
  Like me and my brother. And we're like all family as a
• 1:58:53
  unit, right? Raise them as a village.
• 1:58:55
  So I told my brother I was like, yo, we got to pan them off this
• 1:58:57
  shit. So like, I sat them down.
• 1:58:58
  I talked to him like, look, we can't play Roblox anymore.
• 1:59:00
  Yeah. I like this is one of those
• 1:59:01
  things that you're not going to understand now that you
• 1:59:03
  understand better later. But as a man, you have to stand
• 1:59:06
  on principle. We do not support people that
• 1:59:08
  hurt kids in this family. You guys playing that is going
• 1:59:11
  to make that guy money. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:59:13
  So it's a great point. It's a great point.
• 1:59:15
  It's a great thing to do. It's a great thing to do.
• 1:59:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:59:21
  Here's a question. You want to keep on going.
• 1:59:22
  You want to save the psychedelics all the other work
• 1:59:26
  for. Another time, up to you.
• 1:59:27
  I could fucking talk shit. I don't have anywhere to be
• 1:59:29
  right now, so it's just up to you.
• 1:59:31
  Though let's what time we have here 210, let's go another 20
• 1:59:34
  minutes. Cool, what do you want to talk
• 1:59:38
  about? Ayahuasca story.
• 1:59:39
  Yeah. Well, let's let's talk about
• 1:59:43
  ayahuasca was that we use Ayahuasca in a therapeutic
• 1:59:47
  setting. Let me tell you.
• 1:59:49
  Like for the therapeutic purposes rather.
• 1:59:52
  Yeah, Ayahuasca you can't do jokingly, you can't like.
• 1:59:55
  What was it? Like ayahuasca, you had to go to
• 1:59:57
  Peru. Yeah, I went to Peru.
• 1:59:59
  OK, tell me about. That I won't do ayahuasca in the
• 2:00:01
  United States. I'm a little bit of a purist,
• 2:00:03
  OK, Cuz I respect the medicine. Yeah, and the culture.
• 2:00:06
  And the culture. Yeah, right.
• 2:00:10
  So remember when I tell you that girl broke up with me?
• 2:00:11
  Said that she was more. Yeah, she felt like more of a
• 2:00:13
  man in a relationship, right? Looking at it in my 30s, I'm
• 2:00:16
  like, oh, she was absolutely fucking right.
• 2:00:18
  OK. She was cheating on me, right?
• 2:00:20
  She was 22. Some fucking 30 year old slid in
• 2:00:22
  her DMS OK, as a 30 something year old man, I could go steal
• 2:00:26
  the fucking girlfriend from any 22 year old right now.
• 2:00:29
  Yeah, right. Because at the end of the day,
• 2:00:31
  women are attracted to status. And confidence and protect and
• 2:00:34
  safety. Yeah, Yeah, right.
• 2:00:36
  They're attracted to all of that OK status, though.
• 2:00:40
  It's like it makes him feel safe.
• 2:00:42
  Like if he's like OK, I didn't really I knew this as a concept,
• 2:00:47
  but I didn't really see it until I got my black belt and I
• 2:00:50
  started blowing up my social media right, because they were
• 2:00:52
  in 2021, like I was making a video a day.
• 2:00:55
  I blew up my followers to like 994 hundred.
• 2:00:58
  Nice right And as a man, like if you get 10,000, like you kind of
• 2:01:01
  made it on social media. A girl is like 100K because if
• 2:01:05
  you got a pretty face, you're going to get fucking yeah right.
• 2:01:07
  I'm sorry. I don't have an ass to flaunt my
• 2:01:09
  fucking bitch. You could, Yeah.
• 2:01:10
  You. Could you?
• 2:01:12
  Get the whole thing is. Fucking problem, right?
• 2:01:18
  This thing is bad as publicity. So what was I talking about?
• 2:01:24
  You're talking about this girl that she cheated on you with a
• 2:01:27
  10 year old? Yeah.
• 2:01:29
  So I get it. I understand now.
• 2:01:31
  Back then though, I was fucking heart broke yo.
• 2:01:33
  Heartbreak sucks. Heartbreak sucks.
• 2:01:35
  That shit is a feeling that just doesn't fucking go away.
• 2:01:38
  And it eats out a dude. It eats out a man, dude.
• 2:01:41
  Right, so like the other day, the other day, you know, usually
• 2:01:45
  I'm a little rough, but like this student fucking came out to
• 2:01:47
  me is like professor, like, you know, I've been missing a lot
• 2:01:49
  because, you know, this girl broke up with me and I just gave
• 2:01:52
  him a hug. I was like bro.
• 2:01:53
  Bring it in, dude. I was like, come here.
• 2:01:55
  I understand. Like, listen, you can't stay
• 2:01:57
  bogged down by that. But I understand how much that
• 2:01:59
  hurts. Like, yeah, I, I went into like
• 2:02:00
  daddy mode at that point. I get it.
• 2:02:02
  Like that shit fucking. Stink.
• 2:02:04
  It hurts, it doesn't go away. It just fucking lingers.
• 2:02:07
  I get it. So there was a point where I
• 2:02:12
  just was like, fuck this. Like I was studying social work
• 2:02:15
  for my bachelor's where I got my degree because I want to become
• 2:02:18
  a therapist to help veterans. Really, yes.
• 2:02:24
  I veered away from that when I got my black belt because I
• 2:02:27
  realized that I can help veterans in jiu jitsu.
• 2:02:31
  Yeah, doing something I like instead of being bogged down by
• 2:02:33
  the bureaucracy. And you're creating a world for
• 2:02:35
  them that's probably healthy for them to live in.
• 2:02:38
  Yeah, instead of just sit in front of them and fucking.
• 2:02:41
  So tell me how PTSD affects your life.
• 2:02:43
  Yeah, You know what I mean? It's fucking stupid.
• 2:02:46
  And plus, like, trauma gets, I could nerd out on trauma all
• 2:02:50
  day, but just trauma gets stored in the nonverbal parts of your
• 2:02:53
  brain, in your limbic system. Yeah.
• 2:02:55
  You can't talk it out. You have to literally do
• 2:02:58
  something to get it out really. So if you're going to do
• 2:03:00
  therapy, you should do EMDR which is eye movement.
• 2:03:03
  Oh dude my someone I know just got certified in that and I I
• 2:03:07
  don't know anything about it. That's the only, to me, that's
• 2:03:09
  the only one that effectively works against trauma because
• 2:03:13
  like when I did EMDR, it's like we start talking about a
• 2:03:16
  childhood memory that I I forgot a whole piece of what happened
• 2:03:20
  and I'm talking about it and bro, it's like the fucking
• 2:03:22
  memory just goes. Shooting to the front.
• 2:03:25
  Bro and you're like. Wow.
• 2:03:27
  Yeah, and usually fucking you start trying and it's like it,
• 2:03:31
  it's like a new memory, but you know that it happened.
• 2:03:34
  Yeah, it is insane. Wow, I wonder if those can be
• 2:03:37
  manipulated. I don't know bro it it.
• 2:03:39
  Was because that's the MK Ultra shit, you know that's like mind
• 2:03:42
  control shit to like bring back like start someone's association
• 2:03:45
  because memories are weak. Yeah, generally speaking, like,
• 2:03:48
  like the more you tell a story, you'll notice that like it
• 2:03:50
  changes the more you tell it. Right.
• 2:03:51
  To sound better, yeah, but it's like I'm talking about a memory.
• 2:03:56
  Yeah, it's literally vividly playing in my frontal.
• 2:03:58
  Cord, I gotcha. I gotcha.
• 2:04:00
  And I was like, Oh my God, like, I'm living it again.
• 2:04:03
  And I'm like, this happened, that happened, that happened.
• 2:04:05
  And she's like, okay, well, that happened.
• 2:04:07
  Like, you know, 'cause you make a judgment about yourself.
• 2:04:10
  Yeah. You're like, oh, I'm a monster.
• 2:04:11
  I am this. I am weak.
• 2:04:12
  I'm whatever. Yeah.
• 2:04:14
  So then they help you reprocess the memory.
• 2:04:16
  So it's like almost like you go back in time and reprocess.
• 2:04:19
  Yeah. That's what people use,
• 2:04:20
  psychedelics. Too, the way that you do it,
• 2:04:21
  yeah. To be associating.
• 2:04:22
  The way that you do it is you do like bilateral brain
• 2:04:25
  stimulation. So like they'll have you do this
• 2:04:26
  like tap your left and right arm, left and right knee, or
• 2:04:29
  they'll have you like follow your finger.
• 2:04:31
  So like you're going back and forth with your eyes.
• 2:04:33
  Yeah. And that's what.
• 2:04:34
  And they start asking you certain questions.
• 2:04:35
  They. Wow.
• 2:04:36
  Amazing. Brings the fucking.
• 2:04:38
  I want to try that. Yeah.
• 2:04:39
  EMDR. Go do it, bro.
• 2:04:40
  Yeah. If you're going to do any
• 2:04:41
  therapy, it's that that one works.
• 2:04:45
  OK, but sit there and talk about your problems.
• 2:04:47
  It's a Band-Aid. It's a Band-Aid.
• 2:04:50
  So I didn't want to do that. All right, So I was in my
• 2:04:53
  master's program my first night and I'm like, I am not fucking
• 2:04:58
  doing that. This is a girl who I got my
• 2:05:01
  bachelor's with and she's I'm like, I'm like, listen, I'm
• 2:05:04
  like, I'm going to fucking call my cousin.
• 2:05:06
  I'm going to text my cousin right now who's a pilot and I'm
• 2:05:08
  going to ask him how much to get me to Peru.
• 2:05:10
  And then I'm going to fucking figure out an ayahuasca retreat.
• 2:05:13
  And I'm fucking dropping out of all my classes tonight, really.
• 2:05:16
  And I'm out, bro. So said so done.
• 2:05:18
  And. You did.
• 2:05:19
  It a week. I was in fucking Peru.
• 2:05:20
  Really spent a month there. A month and you had no plans?
• 2:05:24
  You didn't. Have you been there before?
• 2:05:25
  No, I'll travel solo. All I need to do for travel is
• 2:05:28
  find an Airbnb in a judicial school close to it right?
• 2:05:32
  And I'm fucking gone. I feel like a lot of people,
• 2:05:34
  once you get in jiu jitsu, are like that, right?
• 2:05:36
  Like you don't need a lot of that point.
• 2:05:39
  I would think so. Yeah.
• 2:05:41
  Cuz then at the jiu jitsu gym you figure out everything.
• 2:05:43
  Everywhere I go now, I'm like, I'm thinking where, where,
• 2:05:46
  where's the, where's the school relative to me that like, OK,
• 2:05:48
  yeah. So yeah, it's worth going to,
• 2:05:50
  you know, I feel. That Yeah, now you go visit
• 2:05:52
  schools, right? So, you know, I started learning
• 2:05:55
  about psychedelics. I started learning about
• 2:05:58
  ayahuasca in particular. So I'm like, you know, I'm going
• 2:06:02
  to Peru. Fuck it.
• 2:06:04
  So I show up to Peru. I was flying standby.
• 2:06:10
  So I, I flew in a day before my Airbnb start.
• 2:06:15
  So they had this thing back then.
• 2:06:17
  This was like 2014, OK? They had this thing back then
• 2:06:21
  called couch surfing. Yeah.
• 2:06:22
  You remember couch surfing? I mean, I know the concepts.
• 2:06:25
  OK. So basically it's like Airbnb.
• 2:06:28
  For broke people, OK. Right.
• 2:06:31
  It's literally a thing called couch surfing.
• 2:06:33
  Yeah. I mean, couch surfing, just
• 2:06:34
  crashing those couches. It's an app.
• 2:06:36
  Cool. I can say hey my apartment has a
• 2:06:39
  couch. You can use the bathrooms.
• 2:06:42
  You can use the common area. You could stay for X amount of
• 2:06:47
  nights and here and like you could see my reviews of people
• 2:06:52
  saying reviews about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:06:53
  And then people users who who go couch surf you write reviews.
• 2:06:57
  About them. About them.
• 2:06:59
  Yeah, totally. It's great, yeah.
• 2:07:01
  So on couch surfing I'm like fuck, I need to find somewhere.
• 2:07:06
  So I'm I'm on, I'm on couch surfing.
• 2:07:08
  I forgot how I found out about couch surfing, but I'm on couch
• 2:07:10
  surfing and I find this guy from Iceland.
• 2:07:14
  OK. Who He made a lot of money back
• 2:07:17
  in his 20s, so in his 30s he used to just rent a expensive
• 2:07:21
  place in a foreign country and stay there and do psychedelics.
• 2:07:28
  Cool. Because he studied, he was like
• 2:07:30
  Terence McKenna. He studied the psychology behind
• 2:07:33
  it and then just wanted to experiment what happens when you
• 2:07:37
  mix DMT and mushrooms? What happens when you do
• 2:07:39
  mushrooms in LSD? And he just want, he like was
• 2:07:42
  experimenting like he did, I saw him do, because you could get
• 2:07:47
  ayahuasca in the fucking in the markets there.
• 2:07:49
  Like it's really nothing. Like it's nothing, Billy.
• 2:07:50
  You could just go grab it. Not the right way to fucking do
• 2:07:53
  it. OK, OK.
• 2:07:56
  But I've seen him do ayahuasca and DMTDMT last 15 seconds, 15
• 2:08:01
  minutes. Yeah.
• 2:08:02
  But it feels like an eternity. Yeah.
• 2:08:03
  When you add ayahuasca on top of it, Ayahuasca has a MAOAMAOI
• 2:08:08
  inhibitor or something like that, which there's something in
• 2:08:15
  the ayahuasca like if you can eat.
• 2:08:16
  Most of these plants have DMT in it.
• 2:08:19
  OK, so there's. A vine in the Amazon that when
• 2:08:22
  you combine it with a certain leaf.
• 2:08:24
  Yes, yes, yes, that activate it triggers it.
• 2:08:26
  It triggers it right? So when you smoke DMT and you do
• 2:08:29
  ayahuasca at the same time, it makes the DMT last longer?
• 2:08:32
  Oh shit, really? Yeah.
• 2:08:33
  So you so now you do a 30 minute DMT trip rather than.
• 2:08:37
  And that lasts like 2 eternities.
• 2:08:38
  Yeah, so like that's what like the like the psychedelic nerds
• 2:08:41
  will call it a breakthrough. OK, You're you're able to get
• 2:08:45
  breakthroughs easier when you combine the two.
• 2:08:47
  OK, I didn't try that because I respect ayahuasca.
• 2:08:50
  Yeah, right. That's just my personal I've.
• 2:08:53
  Heard a lot of people talk about the medicine like that, where
• 2:08:56
  you have to respect. It's like it's own entity that
• 2:08:58
  you have to like, respect and like treat like a particular
• 2:09:00
  way. Yeah, right.
• 2:09:01
  Because like, the difference between Ayahuasca and DMT is
• 2:09:03
  that ayahuasca, they both take you to the same realm.
• 2:09:07
  Except ayahuasca, you're greeted with a motherly spirit that's
• 2:09:10
  going to give you exactly what you need.
• 2:09:12
  Yeah. Whereas DMT they just bring you
• 2:09:14
  in the realm. It's like gnomes that kind of
• 2:09:15
  talk to you and like they'll show you shit.
• 2:09:18
  Yeah, I don't know what the fuck is going on.
• 2:09:20
  They're not going to explain too much.
• 2:09:21
  Yeah, I'm a little nervous about DMT.
• 2:09:23
  That's not anything I'm ready to dive into yet.
• 2:09:24
  I'm going to do LSD again. I'm going to do shrooms again.
• 2:09:27
  Yeah, even ayahuasca sounds like.
• 2:09:30
  I don't even know if it's anything that's tempting to me.
• 2:09:32
  I don't know. We'll see.
• 2:09:33
  I kind of feel like it's a motherly spirit that calls you.
• 2:09:35
  Yeah, you know, that could be wool shit, but it's.
• 2:09:37
  Like I feel. I felt the, I felt the, I felt
• 2:09:39
  like, like it was funny when I was dating my wife, my wife,
• 2:09:43
  she's very sensitive to just substance abuse in general.
• 2:09:47
  And, and she asked me while we're dating if I ever, if I did
• 2:09:50
  drugs. And I was like, well, I'm not
• 2:09:51
  going to lie about this, especially like something like
• 2:09:53
  real like rooms or LSD. I'm like, so I didn't she's
• 2:09:56
  like, so you're going to like keep on doing it.
• 2:09:58
  And I'm like, let me explain something.
• 2:09:59
  I was like, I did LSD twice in my life and I don't know the
• 2:10:04
  next time I'm ever going to feel the need to do it again, you
• 2:10:06
  know, like, yeah, it might be in five years, it might be in 50
• 2:10:09
  years, it might be in six months.
• 2:10:10
  You know, like, I have no idea. But like it's going to like,
• 2:10:12
  like it's not a thing that's like addicting, like you just
• 2:10:15
  want to do everyday. You don't want to drink a six
• 2:10:17
  pack of beer like you want to take a tablet LSD.
• 2:10:20
  Yeah, no, yeah. Definitely, you know, and so I
• 2:10:21
  had to explain this, yeah, recently.
• 2:10:24
  And then actually I did a breath work instead of that.
• 2:10:28
  They really felt the pull and I, I didn't have it on me and my
• 2:10:32
  and we, I tried a breath work class and I was like, this was
• 2:10:34
  what I was looking for. Yes, you know, I got it because.
• 2:10:37
  You could, you could achieve those states in breath and like,
• 2:10:39
  that's kind of like what Mother Ayawaska told me.
• 2:10:41
  So boom, right. So it's like I wanted to, so I,
• 2:10:44
  I, I scheduled my trip for 30 days, right?
• 2:10:46
  I got the Airbnb for 30 days, but I had to go couch surfing
• 2:10:49
  with Fionn is the guy's name. So I show up a day early, I go
• 2:10:53
  on couch surfing. Me and him have this crazy back
• 2:10:55
  and forth conversation, like he was trying to test me, like my
• 2:10:58
  intellect. Yeah, but I'm a pretty smart
• 2:11:00
  motherfucker passing to come to certain ship.
• 2:11:03
  But like, yeah, I'm gonna catch intellect, right?
• 2:11:06
  I'm a little nerd like that. So we're going back and forth
• 2:11:09
  and I guess like, I passed this test.
• 2:11:12
  He was asking me crazy questions.
• 2:11:13
  Like he's like, there's a shaman over here and there's this over
• 2:11:16
  there, there's that over there and there's there's fucking
• 2:11:18
  assassins in the corners. Like, what do you do?
• 2:11:20
  And I was like, well, I'm going to do this.
• 2:11:21
  It was a crazy conversation, but whatever.
• 2:11:23
  He approved the fucking couch surfing.
• 2:11:25
  OK, So I show up to to, to the, to the house, and there's this
• 2:11:30
  fucking giant of a man, blonde hair, blue eyes.
• 2:11:34
  Fuck it. I shake his hand.
• 2:11:35
  I'm looking up at him. I shake his hand.
• 2:11:38
  One of the best guys I've ever met.
• 2:11:39
  Yeah. OK, in the house with him
• 2:11:42
  though, the other couch surfers that were there was this
• 2:11:44
  Brazilian girl, Irish girl and this couple from Spain.
• 2:11:47
  Cool. OK, it's important on this
• 2:11:50
  Jamaican girl too. We use dating go.
• 2:11:54
  To the cigar, by the way. No, I'm.
• 2:11:55
  Good, we'll go with this. One So then what happened is so
• 2:12:02
  the very next day I had to go on the ayahuasca journey.
• 2:12:04
  So I spent the night with them right at the end of the at the
• 2:12:08
  at the next day when I was about to go to the, to the, to the
• 2:12:10
  shaman. Yeah.
• 2:12:12
  They are like, Drew, you're cool.
• 2:12:14
  I know you have 30 days at that Airbnb in the city, but they're
• 2:12:16
  in the Sacred Valley. They're like, if you want to
• 2:12:18
  come back here, like, we don't mind.
• 2:12:20
  I was like, oh, perfect. Yeah, bro.
• 2:12:22
  The house that they were staying at was the most beautiful place
• 2:12:26
  I've ever been to. Peru, Cusco.
• 2:12:29
  Peru has beautiful Green Mountains everywhere.
• 2:12:32
  OK, OK. The house was like centered on
• 2:12:36
  its own lot. Neighbor was far as fuck away.
• 2:12:40
  The guy who owned the house left a giant like dog there.
• 2:12:43
  It was like AI don't know if it was a German Shepherd cuz I
• 2:12:46
  think it maybe it'd been a mastiff.
• 2:12:48
  Like it's like a big hairy dog giant, right?
• 2:12:51
  That you, that if you stay there, you got to like feed it
• 2:12:53
  and stuff. Like he had people come take
• 2:12:54
  care of it. But the dog was on.
• 2:12:56
  Yeah, you got to take care of it.
• 2:12:58
  The big ass dog's there and all these people are there.
• 2:13:01
  They doing fires every night like it was fucking amazing
• 2:13:04
  cooking like we all like shared resources cooking the girls bro
• 2:13:08
  amazing. So then what happened is so I
• 2:13:14
  end up staying there. So we had the the Airbnb in the
• 2:13:16
  city, but I didn't even go there.
• 2:13:17
  I paid 400 bucks for. It.
• 2:13:19
  I might have slept there like. A week.
• 2:13:21
  Yeah, yeah, right. Why would you even you know?
• 2:13:25
  And then there was a there was a river coming off of the mountain
• 2:13:28
  right next to the house, so it always sounded like it was
• 2:13:31
  raining when you were in. Beautiful, bro, Beautiful.
• 2:13:35
  I would go back there in a second.
• 2:13:37
  So show up to the ayahuasca center and they're like, all
• 2:13:41
  right, you can't eat this, you can't eat that.
• 2:13:43
  Because one thing that you used to do to deal with altitude
• 2:13:46
  sickness is drink coca leaves. OK.
• 2:13:49
  Coca leaf tea. OK, it just felt like you drank
• 2:13:52
  a cup of coffee. Yeah, stimulant.
• 2:13:54
  Yeah, there's a couple of coffee, but it takes away
• 2:13:56
  altitude sickness. OK.
• 2:13:57
  That's why when I was went to Colorado, I was like,
• 2:13:59
  motherfucker, like I could see you, like, chew on the coca
• 2:14:07
  leaves. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:14:08
  Because they have them everywhere.
• 2:14:10
  Like in every little shop or whatever.
• 2:14:11
  Like there's like a bowl of coca leaves that you could take and
• 2:14:13
  like they have like you can make the hot water like it's like
• 2:14:16
  nothing. Yeah.
• 2:14:17
  Because when I first got there, like I walked up the steps and I
• 2:14:19
  was like, that was a hot shit. Purple belt, 160 lbs, best shape
• 2:14:23
  of my life. Walking up a fucking flight of
• 2:14:25
  stairs and I'm like. Yeah.
• 2:14:28
  I drink some coca tea. I'm fine.
• 2:14:29
  That's crazy. Yeah.
• 2:14:30
  Really cool. It takes away the headaches and,
• 2:14:32
  like, stomach aches, whatever. So anyways, go to the ayahuasca
• 2:14:34
  center. They're like, you can't drink
• 2:14:35
  any coca tea here. You can't drink any seasoning.
• 2:14:39
  Like, there's like a diet that you have to follow.
• 2:14:42
  And then they make you detox. You drink this volcanic water,
• 2:14:45
  you shit yourself, right? It's like water that kind of
• 2:14:48
  tastes like kombucha, OK, orange.
• 2:14:51
  And you fucking drink like 15 glasses of that and you
• 2:14:53
  completely purge your system. OK.
• 2:14:56
  Then you have a shaman from the mountains, a shaman from the
• 2:14:58
  jungle, a shaman from the mountains clears your energy,
• 2:15:00
  fucking douses you with essential oils and fucking the
• 2:15:04
  Palo Santo and the and the cool. What's the other thing that you
• 2:15:07
  shake around with? Did you did you make smoky?
• 2:15:12
  Eucalyptus. No, Great.
• 2:15:13
  It's great. I don't.
• 2:15:14
  Know clears your energy. I forgot sage, sage, sage you.
• 2:15:18
  Now whatever prepares you says your prayers.
• 2:15:21
  Pray to whatever God you want to get you ready during the
• 2:15:24
  daytime, nighttime, the shaman from the jungle comes in and
• 2:15:27
  he's like splashes you with fucking essential oils and it
• 2:15:30
  tells you meditate 30 minutes. So you take the ayahuasca, you
• 2:15:32
  meditate another 30 minutes and then boom, you're gone.
• 2:15:34
  You're gone. So I'm meditating.
• 2:15:37
  I took the ayahuasca. It tastes like kombucha and
• 2:15:40
  Malta mixed. OK.
• 2:15:42
  Is the best. Is the best way I could describe
• 2:15:44
  it yeah, I'm drinking it right. And then I meditate on for 30
• 2:15:48
  minutes and then I open my eyes and then the shamans like
• 2:15:52
  singing. He sings Ikaros.
• 2:15:53
  These are beautiful songs that guide you to the journey because
• 2:15:56
  he takes it too. And he sings Ikaros the whole
• 2:15:58
  time, right. They're beautiful.
• 2:16:00
  Go on YouTube and Ikaros. They're they're beautiful.
• 2:16:04
  So he starts singing and bro, he goes like this to lay down and I
• 2:16:08
  just see this. I see like waves like bro I'm in
• 2:16:15
  ancient Egypt. No way.
• 2:16:17
  Streets of gold. I'm looking at all the Egyptian
• 2:16:19
  gods like Osiris. And yeah, yeah, yeah, what they
• 2:16:22
  look like is. Exactly what they would look
• 2:16:24
  like. Like like picture picture
• 2:16:26
  Egyptian gods with the fucking animal and stuff.
• 2:16:29
  Giants, pyramids, streets of gold and Ephraim.
• 2:16:35
  It was the best feeling I've ever felt in my life.
• 2:16:39
  The only thing that I could equate it to is imagine just
• 2:16:42
  having a nonstop orgasm. Really.
• 2:16:45
  Not ejaculation, just the orgasm like that, like heightened
• 2:16:48
  feeling of like it just it feels amazing.
• 2:16:51
  And it's like, goodness, release.
• 2:16:53
  No release. Not a release.
• 2:16:54
  No, it's just full of good energy.
• 2:16:57
  OK, right before the release, but just like, yeah, constant.
• 2:17:01
  Yeah. I'm like, Oh my God, this place
• 2:17:03
  feels so good. Like, is this heaven?
• 2:17:05
  Like, what is this? So then I was like, oh, mother
• 2:17:09
  ayahuasca, what's my next step in life?
• 2:17:11
  Because the shamans to tell you to ask her so the little old
• 2:17:17
  lady pops up and she looks back at me, right.
• 2:17:20
  She goes, this is your universe created disappears.
• 2:17:24
  So bro, I start erecting pyramids, making secret
• 2:17:28
  geometrical figures. I start creating buildings like
• 2:17:32
  just creating my world. And I was like, you know what
• 2:17:34
  Mother Alaska, I want divine intelligence.
• 2:17:39
  So these little fairies come and they open up my left hand and
• 2:17:42
  they like, you see them like put some shit in there and they
• 2:17:45
  fucking disappear. And I'm like, oh, I was like, I
• 2:17:48
  want, I don't know why I think I'm dealing with a fucking
• 2:17:50
  genie. Yeah.
• 2:17:52
  I was like, oh, divine intelligence, right.
• 2:17:54
  So they come back, little fairies come and they open up my
• 2:17:57
  head and they fucking and leave. So I was like, oh.
• 2:18:02
  Strange. Bro I started to grow into a
• 2:18:06
  giant and what I realized is that my ego was inflating.
• 2:18:10
  Yeah. So I was like, oh, I was like,
• 2:18:12
  no, no, no, no, no. I was like, mother ayahuasca,
• 2:18:15
  this is not why I'm here. Like, I didn't come here for an
• 2:18:17
  ego trip. Like I just came for
• 2:18:20
  enlightenment. Just pops back up.
• 2:18:22
  She goes, if you wish for me to open your third eye, you have to
• 2:18:27
  give me your right eye disappears.
• 2:18:30
  So now I'm like, fuck, should I wear a patch?
• 2:18:33
  Like, should I make this deal? Yeah, like, you know, what am I
• 2:18:37
  doing? So then now I go through a phase
• 2:18:42
  where like I'm creating shit and I stop and I get lost in what
• 2:18:47
  I'm doing and I stop. I go back and forth until I
• 2:18:50
  like, don't ask me why I did this, but I sat down and I was
• 2:18:53
  just like, no, right. And everything just stops.
• 2:18:57
  And I was like, mother ayahuasca, this is not why I'm
• 2:19:00
  here, right? And as she pops up and she's
• 2:19:03
  like, how are we supposed to help you with anything when
• 2:19:08
  you're trying to control everything?
• 2:19:11
  She's like, either give me your right eye or master meditation.
• 2:19:13
  Those are your choices. And this now I'm like, fuck.
• 2:19:19
  So I don't remember what's going on.
• 2:19:22
  But like this is, it lasts for four hours and I'm like 3 hours
• 2:19:25
  in at this point. So now like I got up and I threw
• 2:19:29
  up, right? And when I threw up, you, you
• 2:19:33
  throw up in buckets because the shamans take your vomit and they
• 2:19:36
  put it into back into the river, OK.
• 2:19:38
  Because they say it's like, sacred.
• 2:19:39
  Yeah. You know, and and ayahuasca
• 2:19:42
  binds to the impurities in your body and it you have to throw it
• 2:19:46
  up. Yeah, you get rid of it.
• 2:19:47
  Yeah, you. Have to get rid of it so you
• 2:19:49
  throw up. So I threw up so much to where
• 2:19:51
  like I started dry heaving. When I dry heaved I seen like
• 2:19:54
  black energy come out. Wow, like black smoke, almost
• 2:19:57
  like it was the craziest shit and I was like.
• 2:20:00
  That's what you want to get rid of.
• 2:20:01
  Yeah. And then like I fucking now I
• 2:20:04
  felt like I had to shit. So like, I go to the fucking
• 2:20:06
  bathroom and I look in the mirror and like all like the
• 2:20:11
  different lives I've ever lived there.
• 2:20:13
  Like faces are flashing in the mirror and I'm like, Oh my God.
• 2:20:17
  I'm not ready for this, no. And I sit on the toilet, bro,
• 2:20:20
  and I'm like, fuck. And I take like, you know, I
• 2:20:22
  take a shit, right? But it's the ayahuasca coming
• 2:20:25
  out, right? It's like I'm like taking a
• 2:20:26
  shit. I'm like, fuck, got the runs and
• 2:20:28
  I looked down. It's like all like snakes in the
• 2:20:30
  fucking. Yeah.
• 2:20:33
  I would die dude, I would have a heart attack.
• 2:20:37
  I halfway wiped myself, I don't even know if I did it right
• 2:20:40
  because I'm so fucked up and I go lay back down.
• 2:20:44
  So I had other visions. The other visions didn't stand
• 2:20:47
  out to me as much as this one. The girl that I got my heart
• 2:20:52
  broke with, I'm like floating in space now and I see ATV screen
• 2:20:59
  and it's me and her. And when I look left and right,
• 2:21:03
  it's every single moment of our relationship going
• 2:21:08
  simultaneously. I look up, she's getting old, I
• 2:21:13
  look down, she's getting younger.
• 2:21:16
  They it's like the entire life is just on TV screens.
• 2:21:22
  Wow, going on at the same time I was like what the fuck is this?
• 2:21:26
  The only thing I can make reference to is like
• 2:21:27
  Interstellar, Yeah. He's watching.
• 2:21:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know how like the guy
• 2:21:31
  was floating and like he's looking at like, you know, he's,
• 2:21:33
  he's in that. Dimension, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
• 2:21:35
  think the bookshelves, that's where he pops the bookshelf out
• 2:21:37
  of the. Movie so it's like an experience
• 2:21:38
  like that, like and that's the only thing I could reference to
• 2:21:40
  like oh, like this like interstellar.
• 2:21:42
  So I'm looking at it and be on time.
• 2:21:44
  I was her, I guess, because like I like was affected so much
• 2:21:47
  emotionally by her, but at that point, like I wasn't too like I,
• 2:21:52
  I wasn't like grieving her anymore.
• 2:22:00
  Sorry about that. OK, yeah, you weren't grieving
• 2:22:09
  anymore. Yeah, I wasn't grieving her
• 2:22:10
  anymore. So why she showed up in the
• 2:22:12
  vision, I'm not sure, but I guess the I don't know.
• 2:22:14
  I don't know why she showed up. So then after that.
• 2:22:17
  I think the control thing was fascinating, though.
• 2:22:20
  The control thing isn't it, by the way, Because in Judaism, by
• 2:22:22
  the way, with God, the right side is like power and strength
• 2:22:26
  and what's called din are like justice.
• 2:22:30
  And then the left side is kindness and, and loving and
• 2:22:33
  charity. And like, if you're closing, if
• 2:22:35
  you're, if you're giving your, your, your right eye, that means
• 2:22:37
  that you're giving. That means that you'd have a lot
• 2:22:40
  of emphasis on like the justice building, like the, the hard ass
• 2:22:46
  stuff. And like you had to focus more
• 2:22:47
  on like for your third eye, you got to balance, you got to find
• 2:22:50
  balance between the two of them. Love that.
• 2:22:52
  Yes, yes. So now here's the trippy part
• 2:22:56
  right finish the journey. I go back to the air to to the
• 2:23:02
  to the couch surfing. As I'm getting into the
• 2:23:06
  compound, the girl from Brazil and the girl from Ireland are
• 2:23:10
  going to like what would be like a Peruvian BBQ.
• 2:23:13
  OK, but it was 2 hours away by bus right next to one of the
• 2:23:18
  sacred sites. So I'm like stay like you want
• 2:23:22
  to come with us? I'm like, sure.
• 2:23:25
  So now the whole bus ride, I'm like, fuck, was that real?
• 2:23:29
  Or was it just like drugs? You know, Like did it really
• 2:23:33
  Like, you know, I'm going back and forth, like just wondering
• 2:23:36
  like fuck, like that was crazy. So two hours in the bus, I'm
• 2:23:39
  listening like I'm just like kind of like just looking at
• 2:23:41
  Peru and just thinking about this.
• 2:23:44
  We get to the place and there's the Iowa Skiddo there, and Iowa
• 2:23:47
  Skiddo is a guy who will go get it from the market.
• 2:23:50
  You want to do ayahuasca? Come on, man, we'll do ayahuasca
• 2:23:52
  together. He's not a shaman, though.
• 2:23:55
  A shaman is like, if I'm your father and I'm a shaman, when
• 2:23:59
  you turn 14, you're going to go through the ayahuasca and then
• 2:24:01
  you're going to become a shaman, right?
• 2:24:03
  Yeah, that's how shamans work. But ayahuascahetto, like their
• 2:24:09
  parents were never shamans. They just fucking did.
• 2:24:11
  Yeah, yeah, 'cause it's there. Is it this guy history shamans?
• 2:24:15
  This guy had this tattoo, so I have a tattoo on my elbow.
• 2:24:18
  OK. Right, let me see.
• 2:24:21
  You can probably can't see too much with the hair.
• 2:24:23
  Yeah. What is it?
• 2:24:24
  It's a it's a Jaguar. Yeah, that's how I was going to
• 2:24:27
  say it looks like a leopard of Jaguar.
• 2:24:28
  It looks like a Jaguar. Now look at his third eye in his
• 2:24:30
  right eye. Third eye in the right eye on
• 2:24:33
  your elbow. Yeah.
• 2:24:35
  OK. The red one.
• 2:24:36
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:24:37
  What about it? So the right eye was closed and
• 2:24:40
  the third eye was open. Oh shit.
• 2:24:44
  Right. So I was like, oh shit.
• 2:24:47
  I was like, I'm like, listen, I'm like, I did ayahuasca last
• 2:24:51
  night, and she was talking about how she had to take my third
• 2:24:53
  eye. Yeah.
• 2:24:54
  I mean, take my right eye in order for my third eye to open.
• 2:24:56
  And like, I see this. I'm two hours away.
• 2:24:58
  Like, bro, I started freaking the fuck out and he starts
• 2:25:00
  laughing at me. And he's like, bro, he's like,
• 2:25:03
  you take this reality too serious.
• 2:25:06
  He's like every religion talks about how this is an illusion.
• 2:25:10
  Yeah. He's like, you're too caught up
• 2:25:11
  in the illusion. He's like, she wants you to
• 2:25:13
  meditate so that you could get to those type of places without
• 2:25:17
  having to use the medicine. Beautiful.
• 2:25:19
  Right. So just like any other mother,
• 2:25:21
  she wants you to live your life without having to depend on her.
• 2:25:23
  Yeah. And I was like.
• 2:25:25
  That's beautiful. So I was like, damn, like that
• 2:25:27
  happened there and this is. That's incredible.
• 2:25:29
  That's an incredible, that's an incredible, incredible.
• 2:25:32
  So all my doubts, I was like, OK, that was real.
• 2:25:34
  Yeah, there's no way that it was.
• 2:25:35
  No, it has to be. It has to be so.
• 2:25:37
  That's my experience that I was. Wow, they say.
• 2:25:41
  You know, I what makes something a miracle?
• 2:25:45
  It's it's correlation in time with your intention or event,
• 2:25:49
  right? Like if I tell you it's going to
• 2:25:50
  rain and then the sky just open up and it starts raining as soon
• 2:25:53
  as it comes out of my mouth, you're like, wow, if it's going
• 2:25:56
  to rain and three days from now it starts raining, I'm like,
• 2:25:58
  see, I told you, you're like, go fuck yourself.
• 2:25:59
  You know, I don't care, you know, so like, but something so
• 2:26:03
  specific and so detailed and then to just like happen like is
• 2:26:07
  like that's too close, like it's too good.
• 2:26:10
  It's too. It's too.
• 2:26:10
  What was the chances that I left the Ayahuasca center?
• 2:26:14
  I That's not high enough. Not high enough for me to bet
• 2:26:18
  on. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 2:26:20
  Do you catch them? If you put your money on that
• 2:26:22
  being something real or that being a total coincidence, what
• 2:26:25
  are you gonna do? That's something real to me, as
• 2:26:27
  far as I'm concerned. Bro that was enough for me to
• 2:26:30
  not question shit. I was like this is legit.
• 2:26:33
  Dee Sham is not what they're talking about this Peruvian
• 2:26:35
  history. Of yeah, for real.
• 2:26:37
  In the Amazon like it's. For real.
• 2:26:39
  Yeah, yeah, let's let's call it here.
• 2:26:41
  That's a great way to end it. And we'll do another one.
• 2:26:44
  Dude, this is this is ton of fun.
• 2:26:45
  And we didn't touch any. We didn't touch a bunch of stuff
• 2:26:47
  we want to get to, but I don't give a shit because that was
• 2:26:48
  awesome. Dude, thank you so much for
• 2:26:51
  doing this. How do?
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  I oh, there we go.