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Ep.265 'Reflections On Therapy Expo 2025' with Matt Phillips & special guest Mike James · The STA Clinician Podcast

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You're listening to the Sports Therapy Association podcast, putting evidence
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back into soft tissue therapy.
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265, my God, 265, at the Sports Therapy Association podcast.
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My name is Matt Phillips, creator of runshutlive.com.
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And as always, this episode is being recorded live on the Sports Therapy Association
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YouTube channel and Facebook on a normally a Tuesday night.
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But if my memory serves me right, it's a Wednesday. Yes, today's a Wednesday,
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normally a Tuesday, but it does change now and again, depending how our guests
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best accommodate our guests.
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So last week, as some of you might know, I don't like to say everybody,
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because if you didn't make it to TherapyX4, that's fine. I mean,
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there's reasons why you could have benefited from being there,
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but I don't like encouraging this kind of FOMO thing.
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But it was Therapy Expo, which is the UK's largest multidisciplinary event for
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professionals dedicated to preventing, treating and rehabilitating musculoskeletal
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and neurological conditions.
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And as always, the STA has been there since the beginning, since 2013,
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so we packed our bags. That's why there wasn't an episode last week.
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And in this episode called Reflections on Therapy Expo 2025,
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I'm going to be shortly joined by my special guest and good friend,
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Mike James, aka the Endurance Physio, for a catch up.
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We've both been speakers, theatre hosts, members of the Therapy Expo Advisory Board,
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and therefore we've seen the pleasure of seeing Therapy Expert
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evolve what started as a room full of attendees in
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Manchester back in 2013 to as
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I say becoming the UK's largest event multidisciplinary event with about 2,000
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delegates or more 100 speakers 150 CPD sessions or hours of CPD sessions and
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150 plus exhibitors as well huge in the NEC Birmingham and if you haven't been
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there then maybe it's not for everybody but you You know what?
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As I'll say again later on, and Mike just confirmed with me,
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it's £49 for next year, 49 quid if you buy it in December.
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So I'm officially not going to have any pity for people saying,
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oh no, I can't afford it. It's too expensive. It's £49 now.
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I know I get about 2,000 downloads, so I'm expecting to see at least 1,900 of
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you at Therapy Expo next November, whenever it is.
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But if you're still not convinced, £49 still seems like a little bit of a steep bargain,
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steep kind of expenditure for you, then Mike and I are now going to take a look
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at this year's highs and lows and everything in between and chat about what
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the future could or maybe should hold for Therapy Expo.
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So let's bring up the man himself for the hour, the endurance physio, Mike.
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Hello everybody actually just reminded me there are people watching
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this so that's great you have to do that now and again let's have a look in the comments
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if you do decide to oh rachel francis thompson's here fantastic
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that's very nice of you to join us rachel if you do if you
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listen to podcast and you want to join us live and ask the guests questions and
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just just hang out and network then i can bring your comments
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and questions up on the screen for example rachel francis thompson who
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a lot of you will have seen at therapy expo last week
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is here with us and rachel says hi matt great
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to see you last week and great to see you as well rachel really was you
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seem to have the theater there the practical theater there
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totally under control you did an amazing job and and your
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talks as well so good to see you gary's here as well uh
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founder of the sta gary says good evening all
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looking forward to this episode we see the expo from a
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different perspective to the delegates it's a good point everybody probably.
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Sees it different but we definitely both myself and mike and
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gary obviously i've seen it evolve and we've
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probably got a little bit more of content to examine
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when we kind of judge it um cecily hisslop is here
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as well from hands on hub and the st school hey cecily
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ceci says evening my lovelies sarah jones is here
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as well hey sarah how you doing says evening so
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thank you everybody if you have joined us live and you want to ask questions and really just put
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them into the chat and we'll bring them up any also just share
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any reflections you've got on therapy expo i've collated a
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few emails which i thank people for for sending them to
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me quite a common theme a little bit of confirmation bias i
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think because you knew it was sending it to me but i'll read them out a
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little bit later on but first of all let's let's
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go back to mike mike james how how often have you been there now do you keep
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a tally do you know do you know i think that might be my double digit this year
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i think that might be number 10 i think i think that might be the decade today
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congratulations you don't look old enough to have been anywhere for 10 years
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in a row whether you get some fancy badge for that i won't but.
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But does it feel like 10 years? I mean, I said before, it's changed,
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hasn't it? Let's go with what we've seen, what we've seen it gone from and to.
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Yeah, well, I think my first time was literally paying my money and going through
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the door and sitting there in the seats,
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listening to people that I thought were wonderful leaders of the industry and
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the profession and trying to never actually think, you know,
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I wonder what I need to do to get to that position or just enjoying the show as it was.
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And then things evolve and stuff. But I think so much has changed.
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But similarly, so much hasn't as well.
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That's interesting. That's a bit of a hook. What hasn't changed then?
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I think, you know, the networking, the catching up with people,
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the developing relationships with people, I guess in some ways,
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controversially, the good, the bad, and the ugly are still there.
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You know, have we changed the balance slightly? Absolutely.
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There's way more good. There's far less ugly than there once was there as far
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as the things that, and that reflects, I think, what's changed in the industry
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around our modern understanding of healthcare, those things weren't going to change overnight.
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And I think we all need to appreciate sometimes, certainly perhaps our insight
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from being behind the curtain, so to speak, compared to some delegates is we
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do appreciate that it's a business.
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It's a business that's there with a sole purpose that runs a long side trying
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to give the best CPD and learning experience to the delegates.
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But there is a threshold for the old expo or therapy show, as it's now going
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to be called, to exist and continue to exist.
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So I think the balance between changing the good, bad, and the ugly and still
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satisfying that need is something that's worked well and probably more so in
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the last couple of iterations than perhaps the first.
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Yeah. I like the way you mentioned that. And I'm one of the advantages of getting
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old, as I recognize that as well, is some people go there and it's,
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oh, if they're not into the exhibitors and you think, oh, the exhibitors are
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just taking the mick, you know, it's not enough education for too many exhibitors.
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But if you've got 2000 people and the size of that place, you've got to fund it somehow.
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You could talk about the content of the exhibitors and what they're selling and stuff,
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maybe in their attitude, but the idea of
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it not having less exhibitors doesn't work because if you want all
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those speakers all those theaters all the coffee and
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everything and then you've got it's got to be paid for so it's nice
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to hear you kind of uh mention that again yeah we it's it's it's working together
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which i think makes it successful and we saw a change in the type of exhibitors
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this year you know i think i think i chatted to gary within the first morning
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before it had even started and the obvious omissions this year No Rock Tape Summit.
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You know, the movement summit with Rock Tape was effective. I think,
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I don't think I'm wrong reflecting, but I think I probably almost went to the
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first couple for those type of things.
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They were what I associated with the therapy expo.
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The STA have developed the Update Theatre, which was such a draw for most people.
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I was lucky enough to speak there a couple of years ago.
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The hands-on have been reached for years to not see these things that have become
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established parts, but then the people are still there and the themes are still
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there and the good knowledge and information is still there.
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But we did see a migration of some things that perhaps associated with it in less positive ways.
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And then seeing some you know there was some certainly
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some top tier worldwide type exhibitors
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this year which may once have caused the
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stir in our world of they are they really the type
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of people we want there but i thought the the balance this
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year was better between the impact that the
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difficulty sometimes particularly in our forum here is
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that maybe some of those exhibitors are pitched more
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for the big multidisciplinary multi-team practices
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that have a bigger budget to afford or bigger
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space and bigger access for some of those pieces of equipment
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that for many of us they become interesting to
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see and interesting to upscale our knowledge about but
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perhaps have less of a practical use to take away and benefit
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from yeah good sign makes sense talking of the exhibitors vernon smeed who's
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the business development manager i think that's the right title for therapy
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expo is in here tonight just to check what we're saying good to see you so far
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i'm no good to see you and it's really nice i it's.
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Well, I'm sure we'll go over this a few times later on.
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One of the things I saw this year, maybe it's because, like you say,
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the STA Theatre wasn't there and the Hansel Hub Theatre wasn't there.
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So two things which I'm very much involved in and obviously host the STA Theatre.
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I managed to actually look at it more from a delegate's position and try and
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have those chats and walk around.
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And I really thoroughly enjoyed it. You know, I managed to give me a totally different view.
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And I think that's why STA and
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Hansel Hub both pulled out this year in the sense of we were still there.
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But we just wanted to kind of just sometimes you've got to move
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a little bit out of the woods having to see what's going on and i
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loved it i thought it was really good it allowed me to see a lot more and there was
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i really picked up a lot of collaboration i really
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did i had a chance to walk around and actually
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sit down and talk to people from the industry we
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had like at one point at the sta stand
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we had susan finley came up ruth duncan
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was there i was hugging jing around the
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corner and it's like all these players who have
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been around for years but for this year i think there was
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just it seemed like there was some walls have definitely gone down and i
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like to think although it's difficult to tell for yourself and
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me who have probably tried to make that a goal
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over the years that we have played a small part in
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that i don't know how big it's possible to measure but do you get the sense
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that because you've been going on for years about trying to make things more
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evidence informed particularly with running and endurance athletes and stuff
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do you manage to actually stand back and go okay i've played a part in this
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there's a kind of things are getting better and i was part of that.
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I'd like to think so. I think certainly being in the advisory board for the
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last three years, I think it is, to feel that we have a voice and that that
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voice is listened to and acted on.
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I think there was, from the team, Molly, Liam, Charlotte, all of them over the
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years, it's a huge amount of trust they put in us to take on some of the things we suggested.
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We may not have got everything we suggested, but for them to trust us with some
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of that program and content design and understand that, okay,
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maybe they understand the battlefield a little bit better than us.
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That's appreciated massively from myself and certainly feels that it inspires
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me to continue to do that.
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And I think that tangible thing may not be as evident to some,
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but most people seem to feel that, you know, yeah, that collaboration,
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some of those barriers have gone down.
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Certainly the eclectic nature of who we're getting speaking.
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And I got some ideas. I'm going to go back to them this year with the next iteration
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and how we can evolve it more.
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But I definitely see from similar to yourself, you know, the little nods of
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their head and the little hellos, how are you? Feel more genuine sometimes.
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There's definitely, I think, there's an appreciation that barring maybe a couple
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of other years, most people there have the best intentions of helping people
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in the way that they feel they can help people. And none of that is a negative.
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And maybe we might not align perfectly with certain thoughts of each other or
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the things we do, but everybody's trying to do the right thing for the right
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people, and that should be something.
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And I like the therapy show with this new mantra of trying to celebrate our
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industry and our sector seems to be generating that feel already.
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Yeah, that is exciting. It's an interesting, I was chatting with Charlotte and Molly about that.
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And yeah, I'm definitely, I'm the same as you. I mean, it did,
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takes quite a lot to, oh, that's a lie actually. But I was inspired.
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I found it like, okay, something's clicking here.
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Very excited about what's going to happen next year now. But I think I needed
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to step out from the craziness of hosting the theatre two days and around,
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finding all the speakers, introducing them all and then checking.
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I needed to step out of that to really appreciate what was going on there.
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So let us know, people listening, how you felt here.
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I know that we did receive, I'm not going to read them all out,
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but there was a big message, well, quite a few messages noticing the absence
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of the STA theatre and the Hands-On Hub, which it was.
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People said there was less practical stuff going on there.
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There was less visual stuff of people on couches and different kind of hands-on
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stuff going on, which I think probably, but I think that's something which they took on board.
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You were chatting earlier, weren't you? I think it was noticed that there was
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a little bit of an absence of practical stuff. So what did they say to you about that?
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The new centralized practical theater, I think, worked really well.
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I know that originally Molly's idea was more of an amphitheater type approach.
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And I think that's something that will try to be evolved.
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Once you start taking away things, it's going to be different, whatever.
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I certainly, the couple of times I nipped out a theater B and had a look,
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they were jam-packed, five deep, as always.
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And I'd get nothing but good feedback for it.
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Charlotte messaged me that it was the best attended expo to date and they felt
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that the conference program was right.
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What they're thinking about next year was that acknowledgement that more practical
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content is their top priority.
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And then through us and the advisory board, they'll be looking for ideas to try and grow that.
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And I've certainly got some thoughts to take to them, which are generally my
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personal thoughts, but I don't think would probably be a million miles away
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from most people's thoughts.
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I certainly think that we can, and I appreciate this is probably the toughest
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thing to change on the conference program.
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My biggest thing I'd like is longer sessions. I think sometimes we scratch the
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surface of some really uses of some other talks we all squeeze our talks in
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appropriately for what we've got but I think say that most of us do don't they
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most of us do yeah but Anna-Marie oh sorry.
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The line of the expo was from her when her countdown clock in my theatre said
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five minutes to go she publicly announced clock must be wrong it can't be five minutes to go,
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and that was the five minutes of question time she'd already gone over Anna-Marie
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is going to be on next week and it'll be a special 90-minute extended show because, yeah.
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So, yeah, I think an option for something longer, should it fit the plan,
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would be good. So you can delve into some of the nuance of stuff.
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Or even just open that up to a little bit of discussion, a little bit in K1A.
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I'm always conscious as chair of Theatre B that I always want to let one more
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question go live, but we're shuffling people off to the stage so we can funnel
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people through, and that has to happen, obviously.
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But the other thing I was thinking, which might work well sometimes,
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is the sort of symbiotic sessions almost.
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So, for example, let's say we had someone on stage given a theoretical base
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or in one of the theatres around some treatment, some assessment techniques, whatever it would be.
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At some point in the conference program later on, that same person transfers
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to the practical arena and then demonstrates the practical application of some
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of the things they've already talked about.
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You could take them both as standalone sessions, but tied together,
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you get a much better learning from that thing.
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The other thing I'd like to see with it is more,
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more and this probably is this is the tipping point i
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think for everything we've always talked about around collaboration and
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not sort of competition i'd love
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to see more interdisciplinary therapy talks you know i know there was one this
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year that went down really well in the msk theater where they had a patient
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journey that was following different professionals inputs at different stages
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i'd love us to maybe do you know here's a case study here's a patient this is
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what my physio lens would think of with this.
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This is what my sports therapy act would think of here.
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Maybe a radiographer would come in and chat about something and there'll be
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nuance to the individual professions but the big take on would probably be we're
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all probably doing the same thing, thinking the same thing and we're all okay with it.
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So those type of things I think would be nice evolutions. How they would work,
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how they would live, I don't know yet but I do like that thought.
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Debates, discussions those things would be really cool because what I found,
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iPhone this year, particularly some of the I tend to, I set off my speakers
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and I quickly run out to see something and come back in quickly before they finish.
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There definitely seemed to be on the practical theatre more of a,
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here's some options I could do with someone, rather than this is the only technique
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I would ever use with someone.
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There's options and sort of principles rather than actual things that people would do explicitly.
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Not all people should really want to leave with is principles and theories.
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Yeah, two great points. Rachel Frances Thompson, thanks for adding this.
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Rachel Frances Thompson says agree with
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what you're both saying the practical skills stage was super busy i've suggested
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a more theater style setup so i could get involved and join in i also asked
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for longer sessions mike yeah the session length is so tricky isn't it but i
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i don't care how long well i do what i think really needs to be sorted out is yeah.
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Allowing fitting in a good 10 minutes of questions but
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it's tricky isn't it because we've both hosted these theaters and sometimes if
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you do that you say haven't got any questions and there are none and
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people are kind of silenced and so i think
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also there needs to be a little bit of training of the audience just to
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make them realize that don't go rushing off to your
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next one don't pack your bag up if you're coming to this one the learning
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experience for you is going to be sticking around and asking some questions and
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not worrying about it that whole kind of creation of a safe place non-judgmental because
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that's where the magic happens isn't it when you do ask that question or someone
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else asked a question you're thinking so in in the
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sports medicine world something that i've been attending a lot which which i
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always think is brilliant and it's this is a this is a big jump for us if we
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bring this in but it's the fireside chat type of sessions so we do we have we
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have a panel of speakers or one expert and they don't do a talk they do a a
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question and answer session.
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They're on stage and you just go in and, you know, right, I've had this type of patient.
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What would you suggest I do with
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these? And, you know, how do you find you manage this type of scenario?
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And if, you know, what I think has always been the issue with time of sessions
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is to get enough different people with enough content to attract delegates to come.
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But if you suddenly have an hour session and there's three to four people on that panel at session,
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either working collaboratively with a presentation or doing a K&A practical session,
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that should still mean that we don't dilink the the experience of opportunity
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and difference of of speakers and skill sets but we offer longer more thorough
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sessions with people yeah it's a good idea i did sit down on that msk one with
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the three people going through the patient experience it was great i think that was.
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I think it was definitely an hour. It could even be an hour and a half.
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I think it might be an hour and a half.
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But it was, for me personally, it was lovely because they had time for questions,
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for interruptions. There was different people speaking out.
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It felt kind of much more, I don't know, because it was the MSK theater.
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People were more willing to ask questions. We've still got some work to do,
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I think, with helping non-allied health professionals recognize that their opinion is valid.
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Sometimes they're even more valid than maybe the physio or in the room or something.
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You've got to speak out. It's a whole different set of skills which are valuable.
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So cool good right
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so what i'm going to do because we could rattle on
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for ages about this i'm going to bring up some of
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the speakers i haven't put all of them down so apologies if i'm going to include
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anybody in theater but you wasn't there but i'm keen to hear your thoughts on
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some of these and also just to illustrate for people who haven't been to therapy
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expo what sort of content obviously just to make it clear i think there's three
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theaters isn't it yeah three theaters then And you've also got the MSK Theatre.
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You've also got a couple of external theatres as well outside.
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So there's loads going on. This is just Theatre B because Mike was chairing it.
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And we'll have a look at some of the content on there just to give people an idea.
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Of the sort of thing therapists can offer. It's just a drop,
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but hopefully it'll help you.
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So this was you chairing it. Very well chaired, by the way. Very tricky.
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Making speakers go and people go out. You did a grand job of doing that.
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Let's have a little look then. So this was Talk of the Devil.
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This was Always Stick to Time, Anna Maria Matsieri, director of the ST School.
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And it was called Off the Map, the shoulder that the brain no longer knows.
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Understanding the impact of cortical disruptions for shoulder pain management synopsis.
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You've got a history with Anna Maria as well and we all love it to bits and
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that opened the show up how did that go was the content something interesting
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do you think people were engaged was it what it was i think like.
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If regardless of of topic regardless of
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clinical nature of the first talk you want someone who grabs
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everyone gets the passion going gets their sort of motivation up
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but there's no one better than that you know she she went
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full italian the hands started going the words
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started coming out even more sort of italian in
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nature but ultimately what what see
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through on this one was that she's very passionate about
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helping people and helping people help people and i thought it set the tone
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really nicely on day one for us all to start realizing that for the management
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of some everyday conditions that we see even someone with such a strong background in hands-on therapy,
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is deep diving into the other things that
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affect these things these neurophysiological aspects that
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that just triggered some of our sort of
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thinking and and with Anna starting her PhD and some of the places she's going
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to go definitely when I was putting a little scribble next to going she needs
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to come back and talk about the next bit of this when she's got that next bit
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to discuss but I thought it was a lovely way to set the scene straight off and
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and get the ball rolling with,
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think outside the box, think about other things, see the person rather than
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the condition or the body part and it started us really nicely apart from putting
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us about an hour behind by Apple Tent.
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The same thing happened to me at the Exmouth, at the recent STA and Hands On Hub.
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I had Women's Collective on there with Anna Maria, and it was a fantastic,
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amazing conversation about women's
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health and raising awareness of gender bias and all sorts of stuff.
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There's a stage with five of them on there. Michelle Lyons was up there as well.
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So it was Siobhan Donovan.
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And I had like a timer, which eventually I just put on the stage opposite of them to let them know.
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And Anna was just looking at, nudging somebody else, just laughing, going, look at this one.
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Thinks he's going to stop us with a timer on the stage yeah and
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they'll be shot kind of 20 minutes but i don't know i
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think it's uh she she's always she always
23:29
makes me like she's the reluctant karaoke said no no i don't
23:32
want to go up i don't like this and then she gets on stage and goes full beyond
23:36
say on you for about five minutes and i go okay thought you weren't comfortable
23:39
exactly yeah just a little song ness and dormer here we go yeah yeah it's crazy
23:43
no it's a good way it's good i'm i don't know whether it's programmed that way
23:46
but it's a good way to start it off and get people kind of thinking outside the box, like you say.
23:50
And Anna-Marie is going to be on, excuse me, next week to elaborate on a question
23:55
she asked after one of the talks on what is it? No, should sports therapists diagnose?
24:00
She only had about six seconds to answer, but we're going to have a next week
24:03
so she can have an hour to answer that question or to feed her,
24:07
yeah, allow her to answer what she was going to be talking about.
24:09
So that'll be next week, maybe Tuesday. We've still got to check with her.
24:12
Right. So then we had Paul Coker, who's been there from the beginning.
24:15
He was probably on the rock tape in 2013, wasn't he? I didn't get to see that one.
24:21
Same kind of thing, neurosensory integration and looking outside the box.
24:25
Yeah, you know, it's almost like it's planned that we continued Anna Maria's
24:31
theme with another, you know, a guy who can't help but inspire you to think differently.
24:36
He comes on in his enigmatic way where he's very understated,
24:41
but so powerful in the message that he puts across.
24:45
And whatever variation on a theme that you hear Paul talk about,
24:49
it always just makes you go, God, do you know what? I just don't think enough about that.
24:54
And just happened to then, you know, really one thing that I loved from Theatre
24:59
B this year was there was far more audience integration and participation.
25:03
And when he had them doing his usual sort of brain and eye sort of tricks to
25:07
get them all going and everything, everybody was dizzy by the end.
25:10
But yeah, you know, just I think with Paul, he's found that sweet spot of just,
25:15
he can pitch a talk that will get you if you've never heard his stuff before
25:20
and will just subtly reinforce the stuff if you have heard it before.
25:24
But that would never sound in the same.
25:26
Just, okay, yeah, he's pitched that another way again, but I still get what
25:30
he's saying and I need to go away and consolidate it.
25:34
That's great. You've got such a nice way of summarizing these great speakers
25:39
who have been in the industry for so long and helping listeners understand.
25:43
And it is very much, particularly with these two, but I think a lot of the speakers,
25:46
some people argue that what's the point of going to the therapy expo and taking
25:49
two days off work because I can just get this information online.
25:52
There'll be a free download somewhere. but it's being in the presence of some
25:56
of these speakers isn't it it's what you can learn from being in the same room
25:59
from asking questions from having to get up in that moment to do the exercises
26:03
and that's what you pay for that's what the ticket's for it's not just the information
26:06
it's being there and and being integrated and so two very good examples.
26:10
I'm the most humble down to earth people as well you know yourself yourself
26:13
included more than anyone there's no heirs and graces with these people they're
26:17
legends of the industry but they're the most humble normal people you'll ever meet.
26:21
And that's really useful to see as well I think that's really useful for
26:24
a clinician or therapist to
26:27
realize that you know we're not all gurus sitting
26:30
on a box somewhere we're just normal people who've just been doing it maybe a bit
26:33
longer or you know falling into different kind of
26:36
shoulders stood on different shoulders of giants and you know so yeah that's
26:40
really important we've just made more mistakes and i'm making less mistakes
26:43
now it's nothing while i'm up that's a good way of looking at it right this
26:47
is really i'm hoping listeners are enjoying this don't forget if you're listening
26:49
to this people live then do ask some questions or share your own experiences.
26:53
It's not all about what we thought. I want to hear what you thought.
26:55
And if you listen to the podcast and you went along and you want to make a comment,
26:58
then my recommendation would be to go to YouTube and put the comments on there
27:01
because it's got a great shelf life.
27:03
And we will get back to you if you leave a comment on the YouTube recording.
27:07
I didn't see this one, but I did see the video which you put after us at the end of the day.
27:12
And you seemed quite blown away by this. You really enjoyed it.
27:14
This was Julia Gover or Gover? Yeah. Yeah. Community pain.
27:18
It's more the message I was putting out more was around flipping pain. Yeah.
27:22
Flipping pain, if people aren't aware of it, is an initiative that comes around
27:26
from Australia with Lauren Morsley,
27:28
around helping the general public and
27:31
the public understanding of managing persistent pain
27:34
and they do some really novel things lots of bike
27:37
rides and information sort of tours around it
27:39
and obviously it's come over to the uk and we've got some brilliant people
27:42
driving it forward so the talk was informative and
27:46
interesting around managing pain without pills
27:49
but it was definitely the the
27:53
fact that we were able to get that message out to those who
27:56
don't and i'd reiterate what i said on that video online
27:59
afterwards you know if you do nothing else from this talk
28:02
please go off and investigate flipping pain and how you could
28:05
get involved and there's lots of literature and educational stuff
28:08
that you can then use and share amongst people that you may think need it whether
28:12
that be therapists or patients but lovely to see these people and this sort
28:17
of initiative now hitting the main platforms and being able to to share it potentially
28:22
to people who don't work with persistent pain patients as a primary care,
28:26
but we'll all benefit from understanding this more.
28:31
I think also it's a good example. I'm not sure if they've been to Therapy Exit
28:34
before. You chatted with them. Have they been before? Was that the first time they've talked?
28:37
They might have talked in the MSK Theatre last year. Oh, did they?
28:41
Oh, okay. Maybe, not 100%, but I think they might have been there.
28:44
I think they've probably integrated into the show via those channels.
28:48
That's good. So that's a double bonus then. That's really nice to see.
28:51
I did feel that it was much easier to move in between the two and they were coming out to see.
28:56
There was a migration from some of those into ours this year,
28:59
which was only a good thing.
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That's good because one of the feedback from last year we got was oh the same speakers
29:04
you've got to get some new speakers and i think they did make an effort this
29:06
year they've obviously some familiar faces who are very good at updating the
29:10
information and changing it and producing something new like anna maria and
29:13
like paul coker but um yeah it's nice to see other people who hopefully not
29:18
everybody recognized or has a chance to see yet so yeah flipping pain that was good,
29:23
this was an important one which yeah so cool is in theater b i wish the other
29:27
one had been in Theater B but we'll talk about that later on.
29:29
Theater B was on fire on this day one it was amazing.
29:32
This was a really a very important historical without going over the top joining
29:38
of Gary Benson founder of the STA and then also Dr.
29:42
Christopher Holland who's the Society of Sports Therapists and Sarah Catlow
29:46
who is let me just move that a second do do do do.
29:50
She was on behalf of the STO, wasn't she? Yes. Yes. The STO.
29:55
So the STO, yeah. So for people who aren't aware and for people who are talking
30:00
about regulation and standardization,
30:02
and these were three big stakeholders who probably for 15 years have never been
30:08
in the same room together, probably.
30:10
Probably more talking behind each other's backs across the board and lack of
30:15
trust, which means obviously collaboration is very tricky.
30:18
So this was one of the things which was really important
30:21
i think set the scene for therapy expert this year these three getting on stage
30:24
and like mike said before showing at the end of it that we've
30:27
got more in common than different and we're all just looking for the benefit of
30:30
our clients so it was really cool to see and
30:32
they were talking about what does it mean to be a sports therapist which was
30:35
really interesting because you know one of
30:38
the things was i'm a gallery champions is you don't have to be a graduate to
30:41
be a sports therapist there's plenty of people who go down
30:44
different channels but where you learn it maybe you
30:47
can't go to university maybe it doesn't suit you maybe particularly maybe more
30:50
mature students and older people who find it as a vocation and also the idea
30:54
that sometimes what you learn in life it prepares you very well for looking
30:59
after people funnily enough rather than somebody who might have gone to university
31:03
for three years in a row but they're still without any disrespect 2021 and haven't.
31:08
Probably suffered enough most of people i'm not judging
31:11
everyone but you do get a lot through life when you're trying to help others so
31:14
having those three people on stage together is really monumentous and
31:17
i'm glad that you got to chair it mike it was was it big for you
31:20
no i was so i didn't chair it we had i'm not sharing but
31:22
you're in the room i was in it i was enjoying it yeah that was um
31:25
i've i've i've been really lucky last three four years
31:28
since i've chaired theater i've had a jam-packed sort
31:31
of list and i've always been really sort of proud of
31:34
the theater I'm probably going to go back and ask them to call it Theatre B
31:38
because Theatre B into the Coliseum because they might have gladiators we get
31:42
in there and potentially there was a lot of there was a lot of attention on
31:46
this one in case it became very gladiatorial and everything which thankfully
31:50
it didn't but this you know I think,
31:54
You have to have been in the industry quite a long time to realize just how impactful this was.
32:00
I had conversations in my time back with SIF Health and Sports Injury Fix,
32:05
and even five, six, seven years ago, this felt a million miles away.
32:10
And nothing was massively achieved other than appreciating that each of them,
32:15
guarding their own stance on it, had passion and enthusiasm for supporting their own beliefs.
32:22
If some were able now to listen to other people's, whether they agreed or not,
32:25
this is more about the seeds it's planted and where this could go and what could happen with it.
32:30
All I was sitting at the back thinking was, do you know what?
32:33
If I was the sports therapist of whatever denomination, I would be so proud
32:37
of my profession right now that we're able to do this because there's silos
32:42
within the physio world and they don't speak.
32:44
There's silos within the physio world that don't even acknowledge each other
32:48
without any history. It's just that they believe their way is the only way and
32:53
they're in their ivory towers.
32:54
So I think this is the seeds of maybe something that may or may not become really
32:59
great and develop more than this or not.
33:02
But again, it's the foundation, not only for the sports therapy world,
33:06
but what else can we tap into this? Can we do something similar with the massage world?
33:10
Can we do something with sports rehab or whatever other world we're looking
33:14
at where, you know, a manual therapy versus a non-manual therapy type approach?
33:19
Is this somewhere we can bring people of different opinions together to either
33:23
see if there's common ground or just to understand each other's difference of opinion?
33:28
Yeah, that's definitely, it was monumentous.
33:31
And it's true, people haven't been in the industry for that long or as long,
33:34
probably didn't realise it, but it really was a stepping stone.
33:37
And obviously all the conversations which pursued after that,
33:40
because now people come to the stand and it's all the conversations behind the
33:43
scene and the ideas we've got on the podcast to get people who.
33:47
I mean, we've, in all honesty, we've invited, and Gary will verify this,
33:50
we have invited people in the past to come on the show and it's just been not
33:53
the right time, not the right place.
33:54
And sometimes we didn't get a response, but I'm sure, I really am,
33:58
putting my money on 2026 being a true year of
34:01
collaboration yeah it's not going to be a massive sudden and
34:05
fix but there's gonna be a lot more collaboration i think in 2026 which
34:08
is can only help the industry so very exciting a few comments
34:11
from people in the live who joined us live sarah jones
34:14
says i agree with everything you both said thank
34:17
you i really enjoyed the chance to be there this year without working in
34:19
zero stress it's true totally different for us um it's so
34:22
nice to network and catch up with other therapists too yeah that's
34:25
what it's one of the again that's what you pay the money
34:28
for and that's yeah that's the entry ticket that's what it's not
34:31
so much the entry ticket anymore we have to realize it's the taking the time off
34:34
work the entry ticket they can put down to 49 pound but people need
34:36
persuading that it's worth not having a day of
34:39
clinic or two days of clinic and the travel up there so however cheap the ticket
34:43
is we appreciate it's going to cost you a few hundred quid to take the day off
34:47
work and travel up especially there for two days but you know what when you're
34:51
calculating your cpd expenditure for the year what you get out of meeting other
34:55
therapists and sharing and bringing problems to the table and walking away,
34:59
realizing everyone's got the same problem and maybe even some solutions,
35:02
it's gold. It really is worth it.
35:04
I think as well, you know, we're in a world now through this type of forum,
35:08
through social media, we're so aware of more people that we've never physically met.
35:13
And there was dozens of people that I only had a chance to quick wave or say
35:17
hello to, but the people I've never had the chance to say that to before or
35:21
spend five minutes in their actual time. And those little things are priceless sometimes.
35:26
It really is. I made a point because I've got really bad facial recognition and I'm taller as well.
35:31
And I'm in my own little world half the time. So that's why I put it out on social media.
35:35
If it looks like I've walked past you and haven't said anything,
35:37
then I'm not ignoring you, probably.
35:39
Just kind of tap me on the shoulder or pull me. But also I made a promise to
35:43
myself, particularly on day two, that if I thought I recognized someone,
35:47
then I would say, don't I know you?
35:49
And that can be really difficult for a lot of people, but I did it. And you know what? Yeah.
35:54
I think three times it was famously someone who went, no, I've never met you
35:57
before in my life, but you have to take the risk.
36:00
Oh, okay. I said, sorry, maybe it's one of those faces. And I walked on and
36:04
after definitely after the first time, no big deal.
36:06
I prefer that than the chance of just walking past someone where it could be an amazing chat.
36:12
And just because I might be embarrassed
36:13
that I don't remember them or something. And even names as well.
36:16
Like there is this thing where the badges, I can't remember who said it.
36:19
They got to get badges which are a little bit higher up on the shoulder or something.
36:22
Because this idea, especially if it's a female kind of,
36:25
with the badge there and you're just staring down at their breasts,
36:28
kind of surreptitiously trying to do it.
36:30
Yeah. It's so important just to have the confidence to, to look at the name.
36:34
So what I ended up doing was I ended up taking just photos of,
36:37
of, of female therapist breasts or their badge anyway, just so when I got back,
36:41
I had like a little catalog of all the people I met and their names.
36:44
That's my way of remembering them. But yeah, it's, it's, I'm hoping if I can
36:49
do it, believe me, anyone can do it.
36:50
Just have the confidence to talk to each other. Really important.
36:54
Um jessica jannerman jessica it was lovely to see you there as well uh you surprised
36:59
me because jessica was a perfect example who's been on the show before and jessica
37:03
i've only ever seen kind of like this in a square just the face and also hair
37:07
all tied up looking very therapist and and and that was well actually the press
37:11
gang me there was three of them with the with the jing.
37:14
Contingency i was oh my god three of them looking at me i haven't got a clue
37:16
who any of these three are what's going on and then i realized bit by bit who
37:20
it was and it was jessica and i was like i felt so stupid not recognizing you, Jessica.
37:23
But then once we got over that initial embarrassment, it was so lovely.
37:27
We were able to hug and now I recognize you forever.
37:29
So thank you. You're one of the people that I really just thought,
37:32
oh, I'm not sure if I know you.
37:33
But anyway, Jessica says, everything felt a lot calmer to me this year,
37:36
which could have been my state of mind, but it felt much less packed and easy
37:41
to float around, chat and explore, which I really appreciated.
37:45
Okay. That's cool. I can relate to that.
37:47
I think there was a lot of that going on. I thought it was just me not having
37:50
STA theatre under my belt, but maybe there was just a vibe of.
37:53
Kind of calmness and i don't know i think
37:56
what we we nudged the start time back of the first talk
37:59
so there wasn't that clamor and panic to get into your first
38:02
session because the trains had been late or parking had been a nightmare
38:05
and and similarly it just felt
38:08
that from that point on it just flowed a
38:10
little bit smoother yeah it's good again i
38:13
like to think if it's things we put into place to help create that then
38:16
that's wonderful because that's what the advisory panel is all about jessica says
38:19
it's my fault i should have tied my hair up no your hair look great down Jessica please
38:22
don't ever change that don't just but just it's me it's not
38:25
you it's me how many times you heard that um Sarah Jones
38:28
says she loves the idea of a multidisciplinary
38:31
approach to we need more this is true so cool
38:35
if anything particularly particularly in
38:38
the non-allied health professionals world there is this imposter syndrome and
38:41
this kind of almost ashamed of your of your
38:44
title and that which isn't warranted because there's an
38:47
awful lot of allied health professionals who value what we
38:50
do and then on the other hand there's a lot of allied health
38:52
professionals who think that we're all still dinosaurs trying
38:56
to kind of improve circulation and break down kind of deep scar tissue when
39:00
a lot of us are not doing that anymore we've moved on so the more we can spend
39:03
time in the same room and just realize shit we're actually on the same sort
39:06
of page we're in the same chapter then that's what conferences like this should
39:10
really try and do so i like your idea mike of more multidisciplinary talks that'd be really cool.
39:15
How are we going to make it happen just keep keep banging the
39:18
door should there be a because this is one thing that i
39:21
think liam who's coming back which is looking forward to although i'm
39:24
really hope molly is still massively involved but i think
39:27
one of the questions liam put to me on the day was should should theatres
39:30
be named should we have like a multidisciplinary theatre or
39:33
a rehab theatre rather than theatre a b and
39:36
c can you see any pros and cons of that i think it's
39:38
an idea that's been tossed around a few times around the you know advisory board
39:42
but it is we we thought we talked not for
39:45
this conference for last year 2024 we chatted about
39:48
when we started to put that sort of flow through
39:51
the program around if you were following themes like
39:54
rehab exercise rehab hands on type of stuff whether they all lived in the same
39:58
theater and then it became more of a focal point for that particular topic and
40:03
I think ultimately we came to the conclusion of it would pigeon all people into
40:06
places and lose the integration and the mingling and the moving around it would
40:10
all be styled at the point.
40:12
But I certainly think, and I understand that would also eliminate the problem
40:17
of going up to get back in and going different places, etc.
40:20
But I think it works as it is now. People can see on the itinerary what themes
40:25
are where and when they can go to.
40:27
And, you know, there'll always be those people where five minutes,
40:29
ten minutes for the end, they're running out because they want to get somewhere
40:32
else. And, you know, it's fine.
40:34
People coming in late because they've been somewhere else. I don't think we'll
40:38
ever be able to have enough separation or overlap where, you know,
40:42
there's a break somewhere and you can run to the next one. I think it's probably
40:46
going to delute it a little bit too much.
40:48
But we could certainly have maybe segments of a theatre, you know,
40:52
for the next 90 minutes, two hours, we're going to be focusing on this.
40:55
And everybody involved is going to be chatting about that particular thing.
40:59
It's a nice idea. Nice idea.
41:01
Right, let's go through a few more of these slides. This guy here,
41:04
Matt Phillips, I heard he tried to get everyone in the whole theatre talking
41:07
to each other. How did that work?
41:09
Yeah, it was a low point to the theatre expert.
41:12
Do you know what, Matt? I think you did something that in my 10 years I've never seen done before.
41:18
I actually think you had the crowd talking more than you did.
41:23
Which is such an innovative, you know, when you think that the message you are
41:27
giving is about communication and about understanding and listening and talking,
41:32
then it was perfect because you shouldn't have been the one doing all the talking.
41:36
You should have been encouraging people. And actually, as you said yourself,
41:40
again, going on the theme of having longer, the only problem with your talk
41:45
is you were stopping some bloody brilliant conversations going on because you
41:48
needed to pull them back in to move on to the next bit.
41:51
And some of them were proper engaged with
41:54
you know complete strangers and you would go and i literally stood the beauty
41:57
for myself during the talks is i normally stand at the back with the audio visual
42:01
guys so everything's in front of me i'm like the goalkeeper with the whole picture
42:04
in front and i'm watching people like so engaged and i literally it sounds a
42:08
bit corny and cheesy but i'm watching some of these conversations going cool
42:12
i'd love to be treated by you,
42:14
because the way your body language the way you're engaging
42:17
the way your listening skills are it was perfect it was
42:20
perfect so i think you know again a shameless pitch
42:23
but like if you've got more time and you really
42:26
want to go deeper down this and get on matt's course please because this has
42:30
a snapshot to an audience and you never pitched your course once i have to say
42:34
it was no sales pitch whatsoever but that was that was a mistake yeah but all
42:40
of your all of the things that you do in In a tiny little window, we're on show there.
42:46
And this isn't like, oh, I'm at Philips. I've reached this point in my career.
42:50
And this was you. This was your evolution.
42:54
This is you going through your journey and going, this is me now.
42:57
This is how I think we should be.
42:59
And I wish it had been recorded, that one, and I wish it had recorded the audience,
43:04
because the conversations that were going on and it was fantastic. It was really good.
43:08
It was everything that we should have at conferences these days.
43:11
Good. I'm pleased. I'm glad. It was a gamble because traditionally people do
43:15
go along to these events and with the idea of keeping quiet,
43:19
writing things down, listening to the information, trying to get as much as
43:21
possible and then running on to the next one.
43:23
So it was a bit of a gamble, but yeah, it did pay off because everybody was
43:27
laughing, smiling, meeting each other.
43:29
Yeah and again you know take the word runners out if
43:31
you want to learn to work with runners perfect it's a brilliant course
43:34
for you but this was completely agnostic this
43:37
was how to work with people and this is how to communicate
43:40
with people and everything else so you know and i heard the
43:43
title says and anyone else for that don't pigeonhole
43:46
it in your minds people it's a runner's course because it's not cool good i'm
43:52
glad that worked glad you were in there to give that feedback really appreciate
43:54
it did i mention everything you sent me that's fine yeah that's great on that
43:59
email that's great that's good work professional we couldn't finish day one
44:03
without mentioning the magnificent michelle lyons.
44:06
Lovely. What can you say about Michelle in a few words? An absolute powerhouse
44:10
in the women's health space.
44:11
Boo is enigmatic and captivating and inspires trust.
44:18
And just, I think, regardless of where you work, whether you're a male,
44:22
whether you're female, you listen to someone like Michelle and just go,
44:25
there's an expert that I need to tap into more.
44:29
I think I've normally tried to drop her an email with a question after most
44:33
talks I've heard her say,
44:34
oh can I you know is there a reference for that or somewhere else because
44:37
it's definitely definitely something that's so she's
44:40
so knowledgeable on and like all of the best
44:43
ones it's put down to
44:46
the rest of us in such an easy simple to understand applicable
44:50
way we're not lost in some of the new you know
44:52
the new ones isn't there it's very relevant to
44:56
all of us cool there's a couple there wasn't a
44:59
bad talk on day one if i'm honest or day two chris norris
45:03
has always comes in and shares you know decades worth of
45:06
experience about simplicity we are
45:09
i tell you who's underrated or it's underrated as far as attendance theater
45:15
be kindly for the last couple of years has always been sponsored by balans yes
45:19
and they host their own session which i don't introduce or chair where David
45:24
comes in himself and we'll do Q&A stuff.
45:27
And he did one on day two particularly, which was around dealing with complaints
45:31
and conflict and how would you handle unhappy patients.
45:34
And the first one was about some of the liability stuff.
45:38
They're absolute pearls. You know, the things that you'd need to go and talk
45:43
or ring them about and get these answers for.
45:46
I'm not saying that the people attending them are the ones who are dealing with
45:49
these issues now and wanted that input.
45:51
I just think it probably slipped under the radar a little bit as far as they
45:56
generously sponsor the theatre.
45:58
And I'd encourage people if they are back next year to definitely try and get
46:02
to some of those talks if you can, because it's access to an area of the industry
46:06
that you don't normally get that access to.
46:09
And then the final one I wanted to mention on day one was one which I think
46:13
was probably a little bit too soon.
46:15
So we had james barber from the altitude
46:18
center chatting about hypoxic training and
46:21
altitude training to accelerate healing and
46:24
return to play it's one of those things
46:27
that i think people if we're starting to become
46:30
aware of but as with most things in our industry
46:33
it needs a bit of a groundswell before the majority sort
46:36
of go i need to pay attention to this so it
46:39
was a brilliant talk something i think we all should
46:42
be going okay let's let's keep an eye on this and where
46:45
it goes maybe he'd be a good one to come back in
46:47
a couple of years when i think perhaps we're more ready to take that on and
46:51
listen to it but fantastic bit of research that they're doing themselves and
46:55
applying themselves to really help people try to it was generally pitched at
47:00
the sort of higher performing athlete side of it but very very interesting talk that one.
47:06
I want to do a month on wearables and technology, that sort of stuff.
47:10
So maybe we could, yeah, chat and maybe get him in to talk about that.
47:15
I know we're going to have Stanley Sports in, Gary Palmer in,
47:19
and, yeah, a few other companies.
47:21
Sometimes there's stuff out there which, like you say, is not affordable at
47:25
the moment for every single clinician on the shop floor.
47:27
But it's just that they're very involved in research, aren't they?
47:31
And it's stuff of the future that's, you know, this is how it works.
47:35
Things now are becoming one of
47:38
the big innovations with these things is they're becoming affordable
47:42
and practical for perhaps the rest of us to start thinking of using
47:45
they might not quite be there yet but whereas some
47:48
of the things you know in the same way you think of some of the strength
47:51
testing the force plates the biomechanical stuff 10 years
47:55
ago we'd gone to somewhere like therapy expo and gone oh i was just
47:58
out of my league that stuff but now we're starting to
48:00
get to the point that i don't think it's long until these things
48:03
will be relevant for us all to think of using it's true
48:06
it's a good point yeah good point i want to
48:09
fast forward to day two i'm not going to go through everybody on day two so
48:12
it's not nothing personal i just keen to hear about you had a talk there which
48:16
was the five minute gate analysis screen high impact low tech immediately useful
48:20
you've done loads of you know talks and presentations all around the world but
48:25
especially a therapy expo how did that go for you as a speaker America.
48:29
I enjoyed it. I think the likes of us who've done lots of talks there now probably
48:34
have finally dialed in to the pitch of the talk that's relevant for the mixed audience we have.
48:40
So whereas a lot of the exhibitors and other things may be looking high-end
48:44
and high-tech and things that might be out of some people's practical reach right now,
48:49
everything I've tried to do in the last few years is, okay, what can you take
48:52
away tomorrow and use with the very next person you see that costs you nothing?
48:56
How can you use the existing skills you have better or reframe the way you think
49:00
things rather than needing to upskill or get new skills.
49:03
So that's all this was. It was me introducing a sort of framework of thinking
49:08
when it comes to assessing biomechanics, whether that is walking gait,
49:11
running gait, old people, young people, sportsmen.
49:14
And hopefully it just gave enough takeaways for people to do that.
49:19
It's definitely something I'd be happy to do for the STA in full or record that
49:24
and make it free and accessible for you guys if it's something people would like to listen to.
49:29
But my issue has always been practicing what I preach and keeping it in the time.
49:34
I had a vision of everybody from day one stood with watches at the back, keeping an eye on me.
49:39
But I have the advantage of buying myself a bit of time by introducing myself very quickly.
49:44
I'm not reading out the full bio and just hitting the ground running,
49:47
but it feels like it went okay. Nobody's complained.
49:51
So hopefully it landed well. Oh, no, you're always a massively popular speaker.
49:57
That was great. We get nothing but good feedback for you. And also it's exciting
50:00
while I'm thinking of it, you've, you're finally getting all your stuff on YouTube,
50:03
aren't you? Tell us about that. That's the plan. Yeah.
50:07
I've, I didn't realize how much it was, but I always, my journey on social media
50:11
was complete accidental. I came out of clinic one day about eight,
50:15
nine years ago and went, I've said the same thing 10 times to 10 different people.
50:20
I'm going to record a video, sling it on Facebook. That was the big thing back
50:23
in the day and just send the link to my patients. And it just snowballed from there.
50:27
And all of a sudden I find myself nine, 10 years later with probably 400 odd
50:32
hours of video production, which
50:34
are some athlete facing, some therapist facing, some everybody facing.
50:39
And right now, I think if you were to try and I get lots of contacts from people
50:43
going, you did a post a while ago about such and such.
50:46
I can't find it because i've always just posted them
50:48
directly to the social media platforms so something i
50:51
want to do is tidy it all up so i've always had a youtube
50:54
channel generally it's gone under the radar because it's
50:57
where i post my recorded webinars as links to the people who come on my webinars
51:01
so i'm gonna spend some time over the coming months now trying to pull them
51:06
into one place as a repository with a little bit more organization and easier
51:10
to find and and then that should hopefully make things a bit easier for everybody and myself.
51:17
Very exciting. That'd be great. There's a load of content, isn't there?
51:20
If people want to find your YouTube channel as quickly as possible,
51:23
they just put the Endurance Physio into YouTube. Yeah, the Endurance Physio.
51:29
Not a lot on it yet, but it's all ramping up in the next couple of months.
51:33
That's really exciting. That's great. And YouTube does have so much of a shelf
51:36
life. That's one of the lies of Facebook, unfortunately.
51:38
Once it's on Facebook, it's so difficult to find again. It doesn't appear in any search results.
51:43
So something for therapists out there to think about with your own marketing you
51:46
know you google and youtube same thing
51:49
so everything on youtube will appear in the google search results
51:52
much better place if you want your stuff to have
51:55
shelf life and we've started to you know
51:57
the business side of it i think it's something over the
52:00
years of therapy expo we've sort of copped a bit of
52:03
criticism for that it's sort of you know a little
52:06
bit of pinstripey suited selling you
52:09
know pay me this much money and i'll fix your marketing type of
52:12
talks and we've started now to twist that you
52:15
know we had dan dan lawrence here this year chatting about
52:18
how he's built his youtube channel there was nothing there other
52:21
than gold dust around this is what i've did you could do it as well this is
52:25
this is the pros these are the cons have a go yourself type of thing and and
52:29
people leaving it going well that could be for me that might not be for me but
52:32
it's not going to cost me anything and it's not gonna i'm not signing up or
52:36
signing my clinic away to to get access to some of this stuff so hopefully we'll be able to.
52:41
Understand that you know and this was something charlotte was saying
52:44
to me today that they understand that as well
52:47
as being clinicians who want to learn and upskill and be
52:49
better at practicing what we preach with patients most of us are small business
52:54
owners in whatever regard we hold our business lives and therefore having that
52:59
practical information that's accessible at the show to help people develop their
53:03
business in a simple way is gold dust as well so that'll be dripping into the
53:08
program hopefully as well next year.
53:10
Fantastic. Very exciting. Last thing I want to worry about that.
53:13
There was another talk with, again, just marking the moving together of people.
53:18
Should a sports therapist diagnose? We'll talk about that a bit more next week
53:21
because that's what Anna Maria Maccieri is going to come in and talk about because
53:25
it really kind of started a conversation which we wanted to.
53:28
Both of us had exactly the same questions for the panel, but it was just one
53:31
of those things where time has gone.
53:32
So we're going to approach that next week. I just wanted to mention your podcast.
53:38
Again, fantastic fountain of information into
53:41
second into the second episode now he's had a great response
53:44
with the wonderful rosie sexton how's that going down brill this
53:48
is this is the scratch the itch sorry that i needed to scratch
53:51
so over the years i've been involved with multiple podcasts but
53:54
been in a bit of hiatus for a couple of years and rosie
53:58
and i've been chatting about lots of things offline for many many months
54:01
and went you know what we should just record this and
54:05
yeah we're going to be pitching it to therapists pitching it
54:08
to athletes but um simple practical stuff and
54:11
we've actually on episode two chatted about diagnosis how
54:14
important it is to us as professionals the things we do well and not so well
54:19
at doing it how important it is to the patients whether they get it or not something
54:25
i mention on it which always does make me laugh is think of a terrace house
54:30
you've got a garden right now with a fence two gardens in the back with with
54:33
a big fence in the middle.
54:35
And on one side of this fence, you've got all these professions who are non-diagnostic,
54:39
arguing about how much they want to be diagnostic.
54:42
And then you jump the fence into the other one where everyone's technically
54:46
diagnosticians going, it's probably not that important.
54:49
We don't need to worry about this too much. We should just be helping people get better.
54:53
And if only we would help people with that fence a little bit more and realize
54:56
perhaps there's somewhere right in the middle here that sometimes this is important.
55:00
Most of the times it's probably not.
55:02
I mentioned in the podcast my thoughts around just a working diagnosis and nothing
55:06
more and how we communicate that to our patients and why that's the important bit.
55:12
But it does make me laugh. Those who are diagnosed are trying to stop diagnosing
55:16
and come away from it. And those who don't are desperate to get there.
55:19
And probably not the big deal that we think it is most of the time.
55:23
That's a great point. And you guys explain that really well on the show.
55:26
You even talk about having your boiler fix recently as a hook for someone to listen to.
55:30
But it was great. And you mentioned, you know, helping people,
55:33
therapists and students understand how to be confidently unconfident,
55:37
which I thought was a great kind of way of putting it.
55:39
But, yeah, people should catch up with that. and youtube it's a great
55:42
you know the your two personalities and the
55:45
way you explain things together is really good it's really working well rosie's lovely
55:48
so i mean it's really nice to hear both of you together coming
55:51
out with common sense but put in a way that's not preaching or
55:54
anything it's just like two friends chatting
55:57
and just dropping great gold kind of dust
56:00
of yeah great information so i'm glad it's
56:03
a good one to come out whoever thought the podcast were over you suddenly
56:06
come along and produce this and it's like okay yeah and if
56:09
you're anyone who works with fight sports or wants
56:12
to work with fight sports that's going to be the next one
56:15
we're going to tap into rosie's wealth of knowledge for those
56:18
who don't know rosie is literally the first female ufc
56:21
fighter from the uk so like such a privilege to have a knowledge and experience
56:27
so we'll chat all about what you need to do to be better at working with fighters
56:31
and if you want to be a fighter things you should think of doing to get into
56:34
the sport so one from your background marked, which I'm sure you'll find interesting.
56:39
Yeah, no, brilliant. And who better to say it than Rosie? It's incredible.
56:42
Such a great person to talk to. And so.
56:45
So mild and yet so deadly. It's really such a great combination.
56:49
Yeah, I'm excited about that. That's going to be really cool.
56:52
Brilliant. Right. And also Rosie is going to be part of, in January,
56:57
I don't think I've announced this yet, but in January, we're going to do a whole
57:00
month on neurodivergency,
57:03
both as being a healthcare provider who is neurodivergent and also working with
57:07
patients and clients who are neurodivergent.
57:09
Rosie is going to be sharing some of her own personal experiences and advice on that,
57:13
along with about seven other professionals also we've been kind of
57:16
talking about it and putting it together so that's going to be the whole of january so if
57:19
anybody is listening and is neurodivergent or
57:22
wants to work better with neurodivergent clients and patients and
57:25
that's gonna be a whole month of it which i think is very topical at the moment and got some
57:28
amazing amazing speakers some of you will be familiar already
57:30
with people like bonnie southgott and with references to
57:34
the connections between high mobility neurodivergency and also
57:37
jessica who's in here tonight is going to be on talking about ellis danlott syndrome and
57:40
also the connection with that and neurodivergency so yeah it's gonna be it's
57:44
gonna be a great month so looking forward to that and rose is going to form
57:46
a massive part of that so right we're coming to the end um if people want to
57:51
stay in touch with the mike james on social media then we're talking about instagram
57:57
the underscore endurance underscore physio,
58:00
mike james on facebook the endurance pt.
58:04
Do you still use Twitter at all or formally? I'm still on Twitter.
58:06
That's the Endurance PT.
58:08
It's Endurance Physio on Facebook. But I'm still clinging on to Twitter.
58:12
I don't mind it, to be honest.
58:13
I've worked out to manage it and ignore the matrix when I need to, and it's okay.
58:19
I'm sorry. So on Twitter, it's the Endurance PT, and on Facebook,
58:22
it's the Endurance Physio.
58:24
Yes. Is that right? Ah, right. I've that written down wrong then.
58:26
Must have been following some other guy, of which there are.
58:30
We have to be careful with that, don't we? It must really frustrate you.
58:32
The same as just to mention that the name of the podcast the everyday athlete
58:35
podcast as mike announces at the beginning there are other ones there's imitations
58:39
out there but go for this title this is the one it's green if you listen to
58:42
the podcast it's got a green background,
58:44
and you've got rosie and mike there on the
58:47
cover so right so thanks people
58:50
it is 9.01 so we're going to bring this to an end
58:53
thanks to everyone who joined us live i don't think i've missed out any questions
58:57
or comments so really appreciate that if you listen to the podcast and you do
59:00
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59:14
STA? Was it STA underscore UK? I'm having a total moment now.
59:18
UK underscore STA. Pretty sure it is. Guy's going to kill me for that.
59:21
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59:41
So at the moment, that's still 75 quid for an annual membership,
59:45
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59:48
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59:53
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59:54
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1:00:01
Next week, like I say, I think it's going to be on Tuesday. We're going to have
1:00:03
Anna Maria Matsieri in here to again,
1:00:06
talk about a little bit of therapy expo, but more importantly,
1:00:08
the topic of diagnosis and whether we should be chasing it,
1:00:12
whether we've got the idea wrong of the significance of a diagnosis
1:00:15
and also some of the issues with chasing diagnosis that's
1:00:19
what we're going to be talking about so thanks again to mike james
1:00:22
the endurance physios thanks much mate giving your time my pleasure remember
1:00:25
the therapy show will be back next year day 39 show yeah well done 26 of november
1:00:31
and right through december the tickets are just 49 pounds so never been a better
1:00:36
time to treat yourself to christmas present so true 49 pounds of your listeners.
1:00:40
I know, obviously, I don't know who you are because podcasts don't really help
1:00:43
that, but I know there's a couple of thousand downloads.
1:00:46
If you are thinking and umming and ahhing about therapy, which you kind of should
1:00:49
be after this episode, then now's the time to do it. It will go up.
1:00:53
It does go up to about 129, even more.
1:00:55
Now's the time to just do it, put it away, and then that's it. Done.
1:01:00
Yeah, I'm trying to think, I like to say that these events aren't for everybody,
1:01:05
but I'm struggling to find out somebody who's in healthcare,
1:01:08
particularly if you're a soft tissue therapist who won't benefit from going along. Yeah, you will.
1:01:14
So do it. Right. That's it. Thanks, everyone. Thanks again for joining us live.
1:01:18
Hopefully we will see some of you again next week.
1:01:21
But until then, take care of yourselves and take care of each other.