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Trip to Mall TURNS NIGHTMARE: 8 Dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A Saturday trip to the mall turns into a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: Eight dead, many many others critically wounded, hanging on to
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  Speaker 2: life by a thread. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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  Speaker 2: and Serious XM one eleven. Take a listen to the
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  Speaker 2: dispatch we just obtained.
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  Speaker 3: Start at thee.
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  Speaker 4: A runner for Gameless right now, guys, go.
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  Speaker 3: To for your information. We're getting something else about.
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  Speaker 5: Possible shots fired over the Nike.
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  Speaker 3: Outlets in that one.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to make out some of that.
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  Speaker 2: The desperate call for help at a mall, a packed mall,
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  Speaker 2: when eight are killed, many others wounded.
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  Speaker 1: At prime shopping time.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's home for the weekend and heading to the mall,
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  Speaker 2: and then this mom's there with their children, families together,
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  Speaker 2: all gunned down, including the children.
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  Speaker 1: Do you hear what's being said?
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  Speaker 2: People are running at Polo Ralph Lauren, We're trying to
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  Speaker 2: get the shooter. He's still shooting at Tommy Hill Figure
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  Speaker 2: at Nike outlet. Can you imagine that same we've all
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  Speaker 2: been to the mall, We've all seen these very stores,
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  Speaker 2: gunshots ringing out at first people didn't want to believe.
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  Speaker 1: What they were hearing.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to believe someone had set off firecrackers. Take
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  Speaker 2: a listen to our friends at w FAA.
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  Speaker 6: My mom and I were in Johnson and Murphy's shopping
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  Speaker 6: and I don't know where I heard about like ten
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  Speaker 6: pops go off and I look at the cusser next
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  Speaker 6: to me.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, was that gunshots?
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  Speaker 6: And he's like, no, it's probably just construction or something.
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  Speaker 6: And then like heard ten fifteen more shots go off,
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  Speaker 6: and so I ran to the front of the store
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  Speaker 6: and we're like, no, that's shooting, and we see the guy.
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  Speaker 6: There's this guy dressing all black, wearing a vest, has
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  Speaker 6: assault rifle and he's just shooting at people.
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  Speaker 7: Terrified shoppers take cover Saturday afternoon in the back of
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  Speaker 7: stores at the Allen Premium Outlets as police respond to
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  Speaker 7: an active shooter on the property.
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  Speaker 8: I got box seased to shut the door because you
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  Speaker 8: don't know where the shoots it was.
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  Speaker 7: Mayhem Punnik abu Asker was with his wife and one
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  Speaker 7: year old child when he heard gunshots outside of H
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  Speaker 7: and M.
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  Speaker 1: He grabbed a woman he.
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  Speaker 7: Says was shot in the side and brought her into
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  Speaker 7: the store.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I need some help here. That's why she said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why I got shot? What's going on?
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  Speaker 9: And that's when I just saw a block playstoma.
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  Speaker 2: The shock that is going to live with all of
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  Speaker 2: these witnesses will last a lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: But what about the victims dead?
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to makes sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know right now. First of all, to Professor
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  Speaker 2: of Forensics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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  Speaker 2: Feet on Amazon and star of a hit new series
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  Speaker 2: Body Bags, with.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scott, Well, everything about that this is deadly and evil.
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  Speaker 1: This guy, this shooter.
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  Speaker 2: Why is he clothed like he's going to a masquerade party.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's dressed all in black and shows up
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  Speaker 2: with what kind of weapons does he show up with
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  Speaker 2: at the law?
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  Speaker 3: He's dressed in black, Nancy, Because I believe this is
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  Speaker 3: what's referred to as tactical gear that he is wearing
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  Speaker 3: from head to toad. That is gear that would specifically
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  Speaker 3: associate him with either the police or military. He's also
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  Speaker 3: wearing a tactical vest. And the images that if I
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  Speaker 3: am believing the images that I'm seeing he's wearing a
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  Speaker 3: tactical vest which has space for multiple magazines for this
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  Speaker 3: weapon that he is carrying. You can actually see a
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  Speaker 3: couple of the magazines there the weapon, at least, again
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  Speaker 3: a prefacingness by saying, I don't know the veracity of
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  Speaker 3: this image that I'm seeing, but the weapon looks like
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  Speaker 3: an assault weapon. It looks like either a zero point
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  Speaker 3: two to three probably chamber for that or five point
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  Speaker 3: five to six millimeter a round, which is the same
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  Speaker 3: round that you can buy two two, three and five
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  Speaker 3: on top six in our world. Five point top six
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  Speaker 3: is generally used by our military. It's a high velocity
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  Speaker 3: round that does a lot of damage.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious if you don't mind explaining when you say
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  Speaker 2: tactical gear. All of us in law enforcement or the
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  Speaker 2: military understand that, But what do you mean by it,
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  Speaker 2: For instance, the multiple pockets on his clothing, Well.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just think about think about it this way, with
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  Speaker 3: the tactical with the vest that he's wearing, a big
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  Speaker 3: vest that you wear, and the magazines that contain the
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  Speaker 3: ammunition are posted on the front of the vests, okay,
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  Speaker 3: and they're inverted. That means that they're upside down. So
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  Speaker 3: if you grab one by the base, you quickly pull
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  Speaker 3: it out, you drop the empty bag, and then you
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  Speaker 3: insert the next MAC. It has to do with speed
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  Speaker 3: and efficiency. And that's what this goes to.
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  Speaker 2: Who in the world goes to the mall, a packed
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  Speaker 2: mall at the highest shopping hour, the most people in
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  Speaker 2: tactical gear, black tactical gear and loaded down with weapons
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  Speaker 2: and AMMO. You were just hearing from our friends at
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  Speaker 2: WFAA and Fox as well. But now take a listen
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  Speaker 2: now for ysit KTVT.
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  Speaker 6: When I heard those shots and then when the multiple
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  Speaker 6: shots happened, my heart just immediately just dropped hold.
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  Speaker 8: Up and I was on the phone with nine one
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  Speaker 8: one and I was telling them we have a mass
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  Speaker 8: casualty incident.
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  Speaker 10: Spin Hour says he got there before any first responders,
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  Speaker 10: and while a handful of people around him recorded videos
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  Speaker 10: of the bodies on the ground, he tried to save lives.
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  Speaker 8: I never imagined in one hundred years I would be
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  Speaker 8: thrust into the position of being the first first responder
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  Speaker 8: on the site to take care of people.
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  Speaker 10: Spin Hour says despite applying CPR, at least three of
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  Speaker 10: the victims could not be saved.
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  Speaker 8: The first girl I walked up to was crouched down
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  Speaker 8: covering her head in the bushes, so I felt for her.
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  Speaker 8: Polls pulled her head to the side and she had
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  Speaker 8: no face.
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  Speaker 2: The eyewitness descriptions coming out of the mall are overwhelming,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to Karen start joining us, renowned psychologists joining
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  Speaker 2: us out of Manhattan Trauma and crime expert at Karenstark
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  Speaker 2: dot com.
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  Speaker 1: As Karen with a c did you hear what the
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  Speaker 1: witness just said?
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  Speaker 2: He said a lot of people as he was rushing
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  Speaker 2: to try to do CPR on the victims, many of
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  Speaker 2: them already dead. Other people got out their phones and
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  Speaker 2: started videoing the dead bodies.
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  Speaker 1: What is that?
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  Speaker 11: Well, if you think about it, Nancy, I mean, so
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  Speaker 11: much of our culture these days is about taking photographs
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  Speaker 11: and sealthies.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you blame it on, Karen Stark? Our culture?
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  Speaker 11: Well, that's how their respond to a crisis. That you
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  Speaker 11: sort of separate yourself from what's happening and you put
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  Speaker 11: your phone in front of you. And that's a coping mechanism.
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  Speaker 11: Even though it's not what you would expect people to do,
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  Speaker 11: they really are coping by taking pictures and removing themselves.
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  Speaker 2: They are vultures. You call it a coping mechanism. They
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  Speaker 2: are taking video and pictures of dead victims on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: How are those victims' families going to feel when they
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  Speaker 2: see that? Joining me an all star panel in addition
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  Speaker 2: to Joscott Morgan out of Jacksonville State University and Karen
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  Speaker 2: Stark Psychologists, I want to go to the chief investigative
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  Speaker 2: reporter with dailymail dot Com, Jen Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Jen, tell me what happened?
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  Speaker 12: Well, as you were still learning a lot about what happened,
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  Speaker 12: and this happened on Saturday afternoon, and what we know
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  Speaker 12: so far is that it was around three thirty pm
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  Speaker 12: when the first calls came in or a mass shooting incident. Now,
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  Speaker 12: actually some of the first people to be involved were
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  Speaker 12: police officers who were at them all already dealing with
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  Speaker 12: another unspecified incident. So what we know is that this
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  Speaker 12: shooting began insider directly outside the H and M outlet.
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  Speaker 2: Jen Smith, I'm getting a ton of questions even as
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  Speaker 2: you speak.
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  Speaker 1: So the shooting starts at an H and M. Is
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  Speaker 1: that correct?
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  Speaker 12: That's what we believe so far. Yeah, either directly inside
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  Speaker 12: or just outside the H and M in this.
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  Speaker 1: Mall Okay, right there.
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  Speaker 2: I find that really disturbing because the shooter picks a
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  Speaker 2: location that's practically all women and young girls, and that's
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  Speaker 2: where I start shooting.
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  Speaker 1: At H and M.
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  Speaker 2: How many times have I gone up and down those
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  Speaker 2: aisles with my daughter, up and down, up and down.
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  Speaker 2: And as you heard that, one witness state that he
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  Speaker 2: thought it was anything but gunshots. Didn't want to believe
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  Speaker 2: it was gunshots. And can you imagine all the little
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  Speaker 2: girls in there with their moms and they hear gunshots
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  Speaker 2: of this freak.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jim, that's right.
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  Speaker 12: Now, and say, I mean really targeting the most vulnerable people,
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  Speaker 12: which said a lot about this person. Right. So, we
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  Speaker 12: know that there are eight victims. We don't know who
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  Speaker 12: all of these victims are. Only two have been identified
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  Speaker 12: so far, but I can tell you that their ages.
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  Speaker 12: Nan See, the youngest was five years old.
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  Speaker 13: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Nicole de Boord hotch
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  Speaker 13: Glow joining us.
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  Speaker 2: A veteran criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. She is
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  Speaker 2: at Houston Criminal Defense dot Com. Nicole. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you ever feel this way. I know you can't
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  Speaker 2: comment on any specific case, but we've got a guy
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  Speaker 2: with army style, military style weapons, dressed in tactical gear,
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  Speaker 2: loaded up to the hilt with AMMO. You just heard
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan describe. I don't know why. I'm actually
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  Speaker 2: shocked that one of the victims is five years old
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  Speaker 2: at the mall with mommy. I don't know why I
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  Speaker 2: would expect anything different from this guy, but a five
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  Speaker 2: year old.
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  Speaker 14: It's heartbreaking, and I would say, you know, as much
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  Speaker 14: as we do see really awful things from time to time,
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  Speaker 14: the moment something like that stops shocking us, it's time
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  Speaker 14: to hang it up and do something different.
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  Speaker 12: It is shocking.
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  Speaker 14: It's just absolutely horrific, and the people who just saw
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  Speaker 14: what happened on the scene are just going to be
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  Speaker 14: traumatized for a lifetime as a result. And the victims
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  Speaker 14: who passed away because of this person's actions make this
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  Speaker 14: just an absolutely unspeakable and horrific crime.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me IRV.
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  Speaker 2: Brandt, Senior Inspector US Marshall's with the International Investigations Branch,
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  Speaker 2: Chief Inspector DOJ, author of Solo shot, author of Flying
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  Speaker 1: V Brandt.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about what Nicole de Bord hotch Clube just said,
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  Speaker 2: and I suddenly remembered one Actually, the first time I
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  Speaker 2: saw an autopsy photo, I was knew at the DA's office,
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  Speaker 2: and it was of my first murder victim case that
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  Speaker 2: tried that I represented the victim. Her name was Mary,
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  Speaker 2: and I've met ever forgotten it. And I've seen many
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  Speaker 2: many other homicide victims, many other death scenes, many other
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  Speaker 2: autoxies as they were happening. But that photo of her face,
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  Speaker 2: I can't ever forget. And I'm thinking, and I'm in
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  Speaker 2: the business in LA law enforcement for people civilians that
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  Speaker 2: have never seen.
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  Speaker 1: Anything like this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it haunts even me much less people that
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  Speaker 2: are just there at the mall, you know, in the
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  Speaker 2: food court getting an anti An's pretzel or whatever they're getting.
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  Speaker 2: It just I don't think they'll ever forget it, much
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  Speaker 2: less of these victims' families. And Nicole said, if you
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  Speaker 2: are not shot by a five year old getting gunned
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  Speaker 2: down at a mall, then you need to get out
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  Speaker 2: of the business.
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  Speaker 15: That's exactly right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel sick right now, I actually feel sicker.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 15: The witnesses, to the victims to this, they're going to
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  Speaker 15: be scarred for life. Just like you said the first time.
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  Speaker 15: It's not like these people are hardened veterans that have
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  Speaker 15: seen it in the course of their life over and
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  Speaker 15: over again. They're civilians and they've never witnessed anything like this,
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  Speaker 15: and the witness something so traumatic, this is just a
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  Speaker 15: tragic incident. They're going to have nightmares and visions of
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  Speaker 15: this that's going to carry through them for the rest
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  Speaker 15: of their lives. They'll never forget it. It's heartbreaking to
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  Speaker 15: think about.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, another thing to most of us on
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  Speaker 2: the panel today, we signed up for it. We know
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  Speaker 2: what we're in for. But not these people. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: sign up for this. With me is a very special guest,
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  Speaker 2: Lisa Fine Cafali. She is a survivor of a mass
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  Speaker 2: shooting at Route ninety one Harvest Music Festival. Lisa, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. Thank you when you are
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  Speaker 2: hearing us talking about not just the bed that lost
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  Speaker 2: their lives, of all places at a mall where you
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  Speaker 2: know there are children, there are ladies shopping. I remember
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  Speaker 2: my dad Lisa, and it was no small thing. I
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  Speaker 2: could hardly keep up with him when it would rain outside.
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  Speaker 2: He was a heart patient. He would go to them,
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  Speaker 2: making them all and walk like a maniac. There are
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  Speaker 2: elderly there getting their steps in. People are hanging out
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  Speaker 2: at the food court, having a Crispy Kream or a
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  Speaker 2: Chick fil A, and then all of a sudden this
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  Speaker 2: and it reminds me of what you went through at
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  Speaker 2: the music festival, where everybody is having a good time
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  Speaker 2: listening to music and then all of a sudden shots
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  Speaker 2: ring out. I want to know what images from that
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  Speaker 2: shooting stick in your mind and how has it affected you.
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 16: Shocked that I am in a world that is unrecognizable
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  Speaker 16: to me. I had the life before the mass shooting.
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  Speaker 16: I survived, and now it is terrifying to me that
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  Speaker 16: there are evil people that want to kill these beautiful
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  Speaker 16: souls that are just living their lives. The mass shooting
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  Speaker 16: that I went through was a war zone. It was
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  Speaker 16: horror beyond horror. You are listening to people screaming as
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  Speaker 16: they're dying. You are watching men, women, children, families, everybody's
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  Speaker 16: just they're knowing we're going to die. I still can't
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  Speaker 16: believe that my friends and I survived. And every time
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  Speaker 16: and every time these mass shootings happen, it just pulls
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  Speaker 16: me straight to that moment. My heart is beating out
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  Speaker 16: of my chest listening to every word that the panel
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  Speaker 16: and you are saying. It is trauma beyond trauma. I
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  Speaker 16: don't understand it. I hope for a better world. I
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  Speaker 16: feel like I can't even leave my home. I don't
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  Speaker 16: know about any of you, but when I go to
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  Speaker 16: the mall, when I go anywhere, I literally get home
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  Speaker 16: and think to myself, I just survived. That's what trauma.
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  Speaker 1: Does you know?
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  Speaker 2: Lisa fine Cavali joining me, she survived the Harvest Music
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  Speaker 2: Festival mass shooting. What happened at the shooting? What happened
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  Speaker 2: at the festival? What do you recall of it?
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  Speaker 4: One minute?
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  Speaker 16: We are having the time of our lives. It was
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  Speaker 16: the most beautiful three days of a country music Harvest Festival.
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  Speaker 16: The amount of positive energy and just joy where it
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  Speaker 16: was everywhere. It was exciting, it was fun. We were
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  Speaker 16: just getting ready for Jason Aldin to go and do
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  Speaker 16: his amazing concert the last night. Ten minutes prior, my
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  Speaker 16: friend took my picture behind me as Mandalay Bay and
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  Speaker 16: unbeknownst to me, that window is broken and all hell
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  Speaker 16: is about to break loose. And then it happened, and
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  Speaker 16: I knew instantly something was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in Idaho.
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  Speaker 16: I know about guns. I had the feeling of we
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  Speaker 16: are all going to die. And we were in VIP section.
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  Speaker 16: We had front row to murder, to mass murder. We
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  Speaker 16: had people dying all around us. We thought we would
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  Speaker 16: never breathe again. Then you do breathe, and then you
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  Speaker 16: think I lived. And fifty eight people plus two more
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  Speaker 16: died later.
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  Speaker 1: They're dead.
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  Speaker 16: I'm alive. Why am I spared? Just like going to
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  Speaker 16: the mall. I have watched that scene over and over
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  Speaker 16: because I feel like an obligation as a survivor to
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  Speaker 16: care about these people, these families. I want to know
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  Speaker 16: what happened to them. I want to feel the grief
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  Speaker 16: for them. It's as if each victim is somebody that
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  Speaker 16: I loved. Because I almost died, I would want somebody
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  Speaker 16: to care about my life and live a legacy to
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  Speaker 16: help make the world a better place.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you are hearing the voice of Lisa Fine Cavali,
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  Speaker 2: who somehow managed to serve the Harvest Music Festival. And
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  Speaker 2: when she tells us when she heard about this mall shooting,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: it was as if she were right back and Harm's way.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut twenty four.
• 21:15
  Speaker 17: Terrified concert goers running for their lives, others diving for cover,
• 21:19
  Speaker 17: some laying on top of each other for safety. By
• 21:22
  Speaker 17: some accounts, the bullets raining down for more than an hour, and.
• 21:26
  Speaker 18: They cut the music and everyone said drop, and everyone dropped,
• 21:29
  Speaker 18: and then everyone just got up and they said run,
• 21:32
  Speaker 18: and everyone started stampeding and charging and knocking over grills,
• 21:36
  Speaker 18: jumping over fences getting out. We tried to run this
• 21:39
  Speaker 18: way and the same thing happened, and then we just
• 21:40
  Speaker 18: hid in a bush for like an hour.
• 21:42
  Speaker 17: Police swat teams tracked the shooter to the thirty second
• 21:45
  Speaker 17: floor of the Mandalai Bay Hotel.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: That from our friends at NBC, guys, that was the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Mandali shooting at the Harvest Music Festival, and now it's
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: happened again at a Texas mall. And you know, to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Joseph Scott, more than a professor forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joscott,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: it's almost as if the sky picked the time when
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the most people would be at the mall.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: He did, I believe at least. And there's one there's
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: one image that has been captured online relative to this Nancy,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: and that's as hard as it is to describe this
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: image of these four souls that are all dead and
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: they're laying in one centralized area. It's not everybody, it's
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: not every victim, but there is a collection of these
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: victims and Nancy, when you look at that, it is
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: a perfect storm because there is only one way to
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: get out. Just imagine kind of horseshoe shape, and you're
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: in the backside of the horseshoe at the top, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: there's only one way out, and that is to run
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: back toward the shooter. And so they're corralled in that
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: area and you you actually have the bodies of these
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: little ones that are lying there among the adults as well. So, yeah,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: when you say that he picked this time out, I
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: would agree with you to that point, because you know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: you know, the reality is it's in the middle of
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: the day. Essentially, you've got a lot of shopping going on.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: If anybody were of a mind to do this sort
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: of thing, you would have the access to the most
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: targets and of course, targets are actually a dehumanizing way
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: of saying victims. There're human beings that it's happened to,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: and it is an absolute horror show.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: You know, Jo Scott, the way you're describing the type
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: of AMMO this freak brings into the mall, this made
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: my stomach hurt. It's like he's going to some type
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of play acting, like a theater where he is the star,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and he dresses up in his outfit and his costume
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and he gets all of his AMMO and then he
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: goes to the mall, which is where so many people
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: go on a Saturday afternoon. It's packed with women and children,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and there he unleashes pure hell. You know, that's one
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: thing that I really stress in the book Don't Be
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a Victim is to wherever you go, you look for
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the exit.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Wherever you are, you find the exit.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And I rehearse and rehearse with the children, where's the exit,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Where's the exit, Where's the exit?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: They think I'm crazy?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: And you know, Karen start, we were talking earlier about
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: how these victims, at first they were coming up with
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: any idea, any theory about what they were hearing, as
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: opposed to gunshots, and I have the exact opposite. Whenever
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I hear anything, I'm like, is that a gunshot? That's
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: a gunshot. It's just a mindset and to be so
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: cruelly wrenched into the reality of what's happening and then
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: everybody just starts running. And I understand from Jen Smith
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: that many people were lying on top of other people
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: trying to protect them.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: That's what happened.
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: Karen Starr, Well, there were parents that were on top
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: of children, trying to protect them. And this guy was talking.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: About a mother.
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: You know, when he turned her over, there was a
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: child underneath, and then the child wanted to know about
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: his mother. It's just horrific, Nancy. And the point here
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: is that this guy wanted to be the center of attention.
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: He intentionally dressed the way he dressed and picked that
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: time of day and the weekend because he wanted to
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: get as many people as he could and as much
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: attention as possible.
• 25:47
  Speaker 16: That is so often the motivation.
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: These are angry, angry people motivated by hate, and they're
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: going to make sure that they are in a place
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: where everyone can know what they did.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Following up all at Karen Stark just told US psychologists
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: joining us out of Manhattan take a listen to our
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: friends at KTI VT.
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: Spain Hour says he found a child that survived well,
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: covered by his protective mother who died.
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: And so when I rolled the mother ower, he came
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: out and I asked him where you're okay, and he said,
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: you know, my mom is hurt. My mom's hurt. So
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: rather than traumatizing anymore, I put him around the corner
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: set him down. He was covered from head to toe
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: like somebody had poured blood on him.
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: It's that awful image that spain Hour and others who
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: witnessed the horror will be haunted by for the rest
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: of their lives.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Who is this guy? What happened to?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Jen Smith, joining US chief investigative reporter with dailymail dot com,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
• 26:45
  Speaker 19: The first gunfire came in around three point thirty Saturday afternoon.
• 26:49
  Speaker 19: That's when witnesses say a man dressed in black, wearing
• 26:51
  Speaker 19: body armor looking similar to a police officer, began walking
• 26:55
  Speaker 19: through the mall property here, firing indiscriminately, sending thousands of
• 27:00
  Speaker 19: people running for cover.
• 27:01
  Speaker 20: Up.
• 27:01
  Speaker 21: About thirty minutes outside Dallas is the Allen Premium outlets.
• 27:06
  Speaker 21: It's a sprawling shopping center that has one hundred and
• 27:08
  Speaker 21: twenty four apparel stores. There are also six chain restaurants
• 27:12
  Speaker 21: in the outlet mall. Starbucks is one of them. Simon
• 27:15
  Speaker 21: Property Group owns the center. The Large Real Estate Investment
• 27:18
  Speaker 21: Trust has more than two hundred shopping mall properties worldwide.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Back to Jen Smith joining us from deallymail dot com,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: what can you tell me about how he entered this mall?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: How nobody noticed him until really when he first started
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: aspiring the military great weapon.
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: Well, like you were just discussing on seeing everybody else,
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: this guy really wanted to. He did want to make
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: himself the center of attention. But the way that he
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: was dressed this tactical gear, some of the survivors said
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: that they thought he was a police officer or a
• 27:48
  Speaker 12: security guard in this mall. That's the way he was
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: presenting himself. So we're not entirely sure how he got
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: to the mall. It sounds like he just walked right
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: on up to it with this weapon. We don't know
• 28:02
  Speaker 12: a huge amount about this guy. We are still learning.
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: What we do know is that he had some insignia
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: on his tactical gear that suggests he was part of
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: kind of extremist neo Nazi groups. As I say, that
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: information is still coming out, but by all accounts so far,
• 28:22
  Speaker 12: he just walked up to the store and unleashed terror.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: When you say in insignia that suggested he was with
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: a neo Nazi group, what do you mean by that?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: A swastika or what?
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: No, it wasn't quite a swastika. It was an acronym
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: for right wing groups, the letters or RWDS. We believe
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: that that might stand for right Wing Defense Squad something
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: to that extent. And when investigators began researching this guy's
• 28:52
  Speaker 12: online presence social media revealed that he had expressed interest
• 28:58
  Speaker 12: in neo Nazism and other extreme extreme white supremacy group.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And in the Nazi culture, the human life means nothing nothing.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So here we've got this guy.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: A neo Nazi, and that's determined after finding a death
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: squad patch believed to have been on his chest, observed
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: by witnesses firing an AR fifteen one hundred times, killing
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: at least eight including children.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Chief.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Brian Harvey with Allen PD and our friends at NBC.
• 29:38
  Speaker 22: At three point thirty six, This afternoon, one of our
• 29:40
  Speaker 22: officers was on an unrelated call at the outlet mall.
• 29:45
  Speaker 22: He heard gunshots, went to the gunshots. He also then
• 29:49
  Speaker 22: called for ambulances. We have a multi agency response helping
• 29:54
  Speaker 22: us work the scene.
• 29:55
  Speaker 19: In the moments before police arrived, we are told that
• 29:59
  Speaker 19: hundreds did whatever they could inside this.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Property to survive.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: So we ran to the back, barricaded it with some
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: concrete bricks, and then right then on the security camera
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: and thank god, we wing in the back of that time,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: we saw him walk right by, masked up, fake police outfit.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: On Did you hear that? Jen Smith?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: He was perceived as having on a police outfit, the
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: one person that people would run two and he's actually
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the killer. And then a hero emerges, a cop already
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: at the mall on an unrelated matter. Maybe it's just shoplifting,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: maybe it was a fender bender. He was there at
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the mall and he runs, did you hear this? Runs
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to the bullets, not a way to safety, but runs
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to the sound of gunfire.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Who is that guy, Jen Smith?
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: Well, we don't yet know his name, but we know
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: he is a police officer. Like you say, he runs
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: towards the danger. We will I'm sure find out more
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: about this man, but I think it's safe to say
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: that had he not been there, the body current would
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: have been a lot higher.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yes, take a listen our friends at MSNBC.
• 31:14
  Speaker 19: He was described as wearing body armor yasmen, looking very
• 31:17
  Speaker 19: tactical in nature, very similar to, in fact, a police officer.
• 31:22
  Speaker 19: And that is how he was described by mother Abby Perez,
• 31:25
  Speaker 19: who brought her two daughters here and what was supposed
• 31:27
  Speaker 19: to be a pre summer vacation shopping trip that ended
• 31:31
  Speaker 19: up with her keeping her two daughters locked in a bathroom.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Guys dressed like a police officer in tactical gear.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: What do we know about this guy? Take a listen.
• 31:43
  Speaker 23: New information tonight on yesterday's Texas Mall shooting. Law enforcement
• 31:47
  Speaker 23: officials have now identified than suspect who killed eight people and.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Wounded seven more.
• 31:53
  Speaker 23: Police say he is thirty three year old Mauricio Garcia.
• 31:56
  Speaker 23: Investigators say he was heavily armed with an AR fifteen
• 31:59
  Speaker 23: Star rifle, a handgun, and multiple rounds of ammunition.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Eight people were killed before a.
• 32:05
  Speaker 23: Police officer who was responding to a different call, shot
• 32:09
  Speaker 23: and killed the suspect.
• 32:10
  Speaker 20: Neighbors say that they saw the FBI agents show up
• 32:13
  Speaker 20: about a few hours ago. They tell us the suspected
• 32:16
  Speaker 20: shooter is in his thirties and has lived here for
• 32:18
  Speaker 20: as long as anyone can recall. They tell us he
• 32:20
  Speaker 20: drives a great charger and was always parked in front
• 32:23
  Speaker 20: of the home, except.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: For the last few months.
• 32:25
  Speaker 20: They did notice that maybe he was not around and
• 32:28
  Speaker 20: might have moved out. Neighbors say they don't recall any
• 32:31
  Speaker 20: police activity here or problems.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: You're hearing our friends at CBS, what more do we
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: know about the shooter? Take a listen to our friends
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: at w FAA.
• 32:40
  Speaker 20: Neighbors say the suspect always wore some kind of security
• 32:43
  Speaker 20: guard uniform, although no one saw him with a weapon.
• 32:46
  Speaker 20: They say he was very quiet, would often walk up
• 32:49
  Speaker 20: and down the street wearing some kind of hoodie, and
• 32:52
  Speaker 20: also just not really talking to anybody. They said he
• 32:55
  Speaker 20: had very unusual behavior. They will likely spend many days
• 32:59
  Speaker 20: going through through that evidence trying to determine what happened.
• 33:02
  Speaker 20: I've talked to multiple sources and they are not quite
• 33:05
  Speaker 20: sure at this point what the motive was. Even after
• 33:08
  Speaker 20: speaking with the family. Neighbors say that this suspect was
• 33:11
  Speaker 20: very quiet, kept to himself, but they believed that he
• 33:14
  Speaker 20: was very had very unusual behavior and sometimes dressed in
• 33:18
  Speaker 20: gothic wear and kind of stay to himself.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Jen Smith joining as chief investigative reporter with dailymail dot Com.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: He dressed up in security guard garb and would go
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: up the neighbors would see him out on this street.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Was he a security guard? Was he previous military? And
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I mean it sounds like you know how children did
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: dress up like cops. Who is this guy?
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: Jim, Yeah, I mean, it really is. The picture is
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: emerging when we know we start the neighbors say that
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: they thought he was a security guard. That's because of
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: how he was dressing. Like you mentioned, we've not been
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: able to verify that this guy actually was a security guard.
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: You mentioned though military experience. Now we've just learned that
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: he was in the military. We believe he was in
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: the army, but he was removed from the Army in
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: two thousand and eight, and that was over a mental
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: health concern, Nancy. So clearly there were some red flags
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: about this guy for a long time, enough to get
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: him kicked out of the armed forces. We're still trying
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: to verify exactly what went on there, But aside from that,
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: we don't know a huge amount about this guy. The
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: neighbors say they hadn't seen him for several months around
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: the house. We think he might have been living in
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: a budget in motel at least in the weeks before
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: this incident. That's potentially where he was running this atrocious attack.
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: But really, this picture is only beginning to emerge of
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: this horristic math murderer.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: You know, it's really interesting to IRV Brand, Senior Inspector,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: US Marshall Service, DOJ International Affairs and author. You have
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: hunted down people all over the world with the US
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Marshall Service, and this guy has a car parked outside
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: his family home. I don't know if you've seen the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: photos of his neighborhood, but the neighborhood is tree lined with.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Beautiful lawns and lovely brick homes.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he was hiding out in some
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: budget hotel or not, but I know what I'm seeing.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: And my point is, IRV, isn't it let me say,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: deadly curiosity, how people like.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: This guy.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Can blend in with everybody else and you don't understand
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: what's lurking in their brain.
• 36:10
  Speaker 15: Yes, Nan, think over the years, I tried to profile people.
• 36:17
  Speaker 15: There'd be a certain type to a certain crime, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 15: I found I couldn't do it. It was people I would
• 36:24
  Speaker 15: look at the pictures or when I did the interviews,
• 36:26
  Speaker 15: or when I made the arrest. It took me by
• 36:29
  Speaker 15: complete surprise. It was someone that you would walk by
• 36:33
  Speaker 15: and target, or someone you would walk by in the
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: grocery store, someone that you might have a conversation with
• 36:41
  Speaker 15: at a coffee shop while you're standing in line. Just
• 36:45
  Speaker 15: like you said, you look at the tree lined neighborhood
• 36:50
  Speaker 15: and it's hard to envision that this type of person
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: lived here, but they do. And it can happen anywhere,
• 36:58
  Speaker 15: and it could and it could be anybody standing next
• 37:00
  Speaker 15: to you. And that's what's so terrifying about this.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Wearing a patch that says rwdst right wing death squads,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and he is he's showing it to the world. Nicole
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Devart hots Globe, a high profile lawyer joining us. This
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: is her jurisdiction of Texas. It's one thing to have
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: neo Nazi beliefs that you keep to yourself, but he
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: was proudly wearing that patch emblazon on his cop slash
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and military tactical uniform.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: He was proud of it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 14: Yeah, No, it's definitely disturbing, and it's certainly, in hindsight,
• 37:42
  Speaker 14: a red flag. And you know, I think a lot
• 37:45
  Speaker 14: of us probably don't go walking around thinking about what
• 37:48
  Speaker 14: those initials might stand for, but it's probably in the
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: future something good to make note of. If you see
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: people wearing that kind of hate insignia, that maybe that's
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: somebody that we need to keep a pretty close eye on.
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: This is somebody who is wanting the world to know
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: how hateful they are.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting when she says that, you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: to Lisa Fine Cavali, survivor of the horrible, horrible Mandale
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: shooting outside the Harvest Music Country festival. Same thing in
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Parkland shooting, same thing at Mandalay.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: A guy that was.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Suspicious, a guy that raised red flags, but there seemingly
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: was not enough for authorities to act on. I mean,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: in Parkland shooting, that actually went online and talked about
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: how he wanted to shoot up the school, but yet
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: it still happened. So how does it make you a
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: survivor of this type of mass shooting when you know
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: there are red flags, but no one acts on them.
• 39:06
  Speaker 16: It makes me angry and it makes me terrified that
• 39:12
  Speaker 16: we don't have a system that can catch evil, evil
• 39:16
  Speaker 16: people that intend to kill innocent lives. It makes no
• 39:21
  Speaker 16: sense whatsoever.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: We are not protected.
• 39:27
  Speaker 16: And I always wonder, you know it happened to me,
• 39:31
  Speaker 16: so I have a completely different feeling about the world.
• 39:37
  Speaker 16: I wonder when it happens to the people that make
• 39:43
  Speaker 16: the decisions, our leaders. I hope it never does, but
• 39:47
  Speaker 16: when it happens to your family, you look at everything different.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to hear our friends at Fox
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: for Dallas.
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: Hundreds we're left to watch invest stigators swarmed the scene
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: from across Chelsea Boulevard, waiting for loved.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Ones to come pick them up. We heard what we
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: thought was like fireworks and then people running.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: Sandra McKinley and her thirteen year old son Ryan were
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: huddled inside American Eagle.
• 40:17
  Speaker 16: I think a lot of us were hoping that maybe
• 40:21
  Speaker 16: everything he wasn't really happening, you.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Know, and our friends at w f AA.
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: So when I get out of the store, the ghost city,
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: like I don't seen nobody. I keep walking everybody like
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: others were local every shop, keep people inside, I said me,
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: I was keep walking on so right, see that they
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: see that people bodies.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: And he's bodies. Yeah, tell tell me what he saw.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: He's uh.
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: People were injured, very really bad, so bad boy.
• 40:53
  Speaker 19: How many bodies do you think he saw all that?
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I guess seven.
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: It was very bad man.
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: I should you there are too?
• 41:01
  Speaker 15: Uh?
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: I did they give the shoots? Give him all the
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: way ground? Probably fight at stores, you know, they give
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: shooted as a glass broken and everything. Like I said,
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: security war too. It was dead too.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: The neo Nazi killing machine is dead. Jen Smith dailymail
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: dot com. Did the hero cop gun down the shooter?
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: He did, yeah. Immediately upon locating this guy, he trained
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: his weapon on him.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: We actually believe that he killed.
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: Him with a single gunshot wound to the head. That's
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: what one of the people who saw the shooter's body
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: afterwards reported that he was shot in the forehead. So
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: thankfully this guy who happened to be there, he didn't hesitate,
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: He ran towards the danger and he took the shooter
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: out immediately. We know that after that, some of the
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: people who were injured were taken in police cars. To
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: the whole hospital because their injuries were so severe Nancy,
• 42:03
  Speaker 12: that there was no time to wait for ambulances to arrive.
• 42:07
  Speaker 12: So thank God that this police officer was there, and
• 42:10
  Speaker 12: that he took things into his own hands when he
• 42:13
  Speaker 12: saw that there was a danger.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Thank God for this hero cop and for the police
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: officers that go toward the danger, not running away from
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the danger, saving the lives of so many by loading
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: them up in their squad cars and rushing them to hospitals,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: not even waiting for ambulances.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: We wait as the facts unfold. Good, my friend,