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The King Dems Podcast - Ep. 6 with Temidayo "Wildie" Akinuli · King Dems Podcast | Growth Mindset, Leadership, AI and Business Insights

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  you once again welcome to the King James Podcast and today I
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  have with me a fantastic guest. This man is a man with, you
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  know, multiple abilities, multi competent and he is multi
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  talented. He is an intellectual and he is
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  a businessman. And he is a musician.
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  Big Walker While Dee the Wild. How are you?
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  All good? I'm good.
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  Girl, thank you for having me, bro.
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  It's it's really a pleasure to have you my brother, right.
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  I do. You.
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  I first did yours. What?
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  Even though I went to university with you, right.
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  And they remember back in the days you used to say, well, do
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  you know, wild? That was.
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  Because, yeah, I called you. I think that there was a guy
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  called you, I don't know, when you were Cyprus or something,
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  right? And then you did not know who
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  was speaking. And then yeah, ohh, that you
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  just. Please.
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  I'll go way back, you know. Yeah, but but that that that
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  statement clicks, bro. Wow, you know.
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  You know the way you used to call me dead immediately.
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  You called me and you just keep that?
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  Yes, you just got you. You do have someone interested?
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  Interested. So who is Tim Dyer Akinyi?
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  Who is? OK, Let me take it back.
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  Let me take it back. Back, back back.
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  Tim Dakini is is a Yoruba boy who hails from Adori on those
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  states. I'm on the boy and I I grew up
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  in Ibadan or estate and I later on went for my university.
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  Education in university agreed to so so after then after I
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  finished my university, I went for my NYC up north in Sokoto
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  and I decided, you know, I didn't want to go initially, but
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  I decided to go because I've had this affinity for exploration so
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  I didn't mind. Already Explorer.
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  Yeah, I I had just had to go like wherever it is, I'm going
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  to experience it. Yeah.
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  And it's going to add one or two.
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  So from there, when I finished, I moved to Lagos, which I
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  started doing my music thing, which had been doing right from
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  time. So Tim Dakini is, like I said
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  you, Ruba boy, a Christian and a businessman.
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  Um Songwriter. Um.
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  Ian R I do everything you know. I just try to.
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  You understand? Very correct.
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  You know, at the beginning I said this man is a multitalented
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  person. Interesting.
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  So I have always known you as well.
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  Did the Wild right from OU? How?
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  How did that name come about? Yes.
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  So the initial name wasn't, well, just Wildy.
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  It wasn't Wildy, Zoe. It was welding new and you know,
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  I got it from the OK. I had some friends who used to
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  call me Survivor because then they know they see me
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  everywhere, everywhere, every, every gig.
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  I'll be there. So then I don't even have the
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  name. So I was just thinking that the
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  what can I use? Like I wanted a name that meant
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  something. So I thought of welding you
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  like. It's just like Pantera.
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  You like fierce person. Because the logical name.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  It's like you just don't think about it, OK?
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  This is the need to OK, he's doing good.
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  OK, let's do it. So I didn't just came and I just
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  liked it and I asked someone and he said yeah, it's OK you know,
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  I've never, I've not heard anybody Caldwell, we can use it
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  and his talk, you know stock. Fast.
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  He interested. Interested.
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  So. So why didn't you?
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  So how come you know Leo left and then you know you used to
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  call you, I guess a symbol. MC symbol used to call you while
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  I did. Well, yeah, you know symbol was
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  like one of my very first friends, you know, in USD.
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  And then I think he introduced me to you.
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  I think you guys were probably like.
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  Roommates or something. Roommates.
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  And it was. It was ask me to.
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  Yeah, you guys studied geography, right?
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  And interestingly, interestingly I, I, I love geography a lot as
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  a person. I think that's probably one of
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  the things that made us get along.
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  Very interesting story about myself.
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  Quick one, right. I used to know geography so
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  much, you know, growing up in secondary school even when I
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  wrote jump right, I scored 88 in geography.
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  Like, I loved geography so much. Like I always wanted to explore
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  the world, you know, go to the geographical monuments,
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  historical agreement in the world, right?
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  And then there was some time when I just finished secondary
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  school and I was in some government.
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  School. Right.
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  And going around the the, the environment and I saw that they
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  had an abandoned library. I guess what like I want you to
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  eat it abandoned library. And I stole a book from the
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  library, and that book was a book on physical and human
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  geography. You kind of want you like, for a
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  child to steal a book, all right.
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  And. What you You wanted to know what
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  was in? That book, yeah, I always wanted
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  to know more about the world places, different places in the
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  world. You get it right.
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  And then that has like all it's like inspired me, you know,
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  going forward recently, I think last one I I travelled to
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  Morocco, right. And you know when I was taking
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  around the loss of geographical monuments, right.
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  I remembered some of these spaces.
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  I've seen it that way back, You know, wow, like type of
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  influence is actually go, you know, away along each other
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  person's life. You know, you have like setting
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  interest, right? And then you always, like,
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  pursue those interests. You know, if you donate and all.
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  Move forward and Speaking of childhood influences that that
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  leads me up to my next question to you, right.
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  So who were your early life influences and how was childhood
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  and growing up for you? Um, growing up for me was I I
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  grew up in a family of with five kids and I I was, I was the last
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  born. So I grew up with my elderly
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  ones already in maybe high school or about to get to high
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  school at least. So I had the opportunity to
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  actually have some space to explore my my dad used to play a
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  whole lot of different kind of sounds, from filler to Bob
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  Marley to Paul Simon to Dolly Parton Chaka Chaka all over the
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  world. So I grew up with music and I
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  grew up with my dad waking us up with an Orlando war song and him
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  dancing to it. We believe that as well.
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  Yeah, so I learned. To.
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  Do. My bring up I had affinity for
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  music and I had affinity for musical instruments.
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  But at the same time, I I, I loved at that time I used to
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  want to be an Air Force officer or a military personnel.
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  Why so? Yeah, so growing up, I didn't
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  make a choice. I just continued following both,
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  having affinity for both sides. So I joined the choir.
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  At the point I was the Chapel prefect and I was in charge of
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  the choir, so I had the ability to learn reading musical notes,
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  about learning how to play the guitar and I learned a little
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  bit about how to play the piano. So then it was it was cool.
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  I attended a private school, All Saints College, Abbadon.
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  And you know after then I am going admission into EU and I
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  wanted to study economics though but.
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  I thought you. Yeah, but my dad was like, OK
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  before then. They didn't give me economics,
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  they gave me geography. So I wanted to wait a year and
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  still study economics or just go to the Ng straight up.
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  So my dad advised me to go for the geography and linking the
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  geography to I can still move into the NGA to get a short
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  course and you go into Air Force.
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  So I was like, no worries. So when I got to OU, first of
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  all, my affinity for the military, the military side of
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  me made me join the Manor war. The the musical part of me.
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  Let me give you this story. I wasn't.
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  Do you know you can remember I would.
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  I will not. Fight, fight, fight for fight.
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  So this perpetual light choir, which is from the Catholic
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  Church we had in OU, they used to have the inquiry as I was.
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  So I was on my bed that day, I was sleeping and I was hearing
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  this choir singing that like, where are these people coming
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  from? So I said, look, I I got out of
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  my room, I started tracing the voices because I think they were
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  having. It was close to the festival, so
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  they were rehearsing. So it was just so melodies that
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  I had to like twist them. And I was, I think I was in 100
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  level then. So I was still new.
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  So I went to ETF. You know, is it fudge before
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  each year? Yeah, or I will before eight
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  years. It is five hour ETF.
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  ETF is the last. Hour was hours, so I chased them
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  to ETF. I didn't see them, not knowing
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  they were actually above the room I was sleeping initially.
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  So when I when I went back to my hostel and I just checked up and
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  I saw them. Then that day, I joined the
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  choir. So.
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  I was doing both and I was studying.
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  I was studying my course normally.
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  So my free time, you know, we do have drills in the morning for
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  manual war and drills on weekdays.
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  We do have rehearsals for quiet. So those were the things taking
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  my time as that, my early years in Ohio.
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  Yeah. So afterwards I start recording
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  songs. I said go into the studio.
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  My first producer was Brown Noise.
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  I don't know if you know Brown Noise.
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  He was one of the early producers back then in the
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  history records for Black Bones too, at some point.
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  Ohh, I'd rather Blackburn somewhere you did is.
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  Yeah, So he I start recording from him, start performing in
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  school, then I made symbol in class.
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  He was into entertainment, you know, He just gingered me up and
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  every show he was going to, it was taking me along.
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  And I recorded a song and he told me, OK, we should do a song
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  together and like, OK, I like your voice, you, you you can
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  sing, bro. Let's do a song then.
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  Then for every show he's performing, he makes sure I
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  perform in that show and I performed the song with it
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  together. So then it was actually fun, you
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  know? Um, Although there could be
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  distractions, there could have been OK, there were
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  distractions. Let me just put it that way.
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  You know, handling music and you know, back then OU he got to a
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  point where by the industry was like like the outside industry
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  where you have graphics designers working hand in hand
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  with show event promoters working at the end with artists,
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  with NCS. So we had all those things in
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  place back in OU. Then where there's competition
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  performing to 5000 students, you have to wow them.
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  You have to make sure your stage performance is top notch to make
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  sure that you know they don't. Like we we had our like our own
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  mini entertainment industry. In the entertainment industry
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  we've got some performances. You know, it's crazy.
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  So you know those period, the period of me figuring out, you
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  know, OK, what's it? OK, I'm studying which which
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  direction is my life going to? But what I knew was that the
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  more I was going from 100 level to 200 level, my love for music
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  started growing. So I started listening to music
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  more. I started listening to other
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  type of songs more and the kind of songs I I was always drawn to
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  more or less songs. Songs that has deep melody and
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  maybe slower tempo. It might be faster tempo, it
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  might be anything, but I love songs that moves the soul.
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  So as I was from Andre level to 200 level to 300 level, I
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  started realising, OK, yeah, I I actually want to give a more
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  percentage of myself to this course, even though I was still
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  making sure I was attending my classes.
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  Because if I don't attend class, ohh my mom.
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  My mom is a kind of my mom. My mom is a teacher.
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  Yeah, I love my mum so much. I.
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  That woman is the strongest lady in this and she's the sweetest.
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  She, you know, don't. You might be watching a movie
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  with my mom now. You guys are enjoying something,
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  I just tell her. Like, tell this child to go and
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  read the next thing. You would.
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  You would you would you wish you would change?
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  Or so I knew the kind of mom I had.
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  I must like I had to make sure I was keeping up with the classes,
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  even though I was, you know, my heart was going.
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  Elsewhere and in another direction, you had to keep the
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  grades up. Right, to keep it up.
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  So after then I went like I said, I went for service and you
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  know, I had to still pursue the music when I got to Lagos and
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  which that make my my movements, my legal journey from United.
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  A huge. Good stage in my life, which to
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  date I would always thank God for.
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  So in short, I can just put it that way.
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  Hmm, interesting. Interesting.
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  So I I remember, I remember that you yourself, MC Ball and even
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  myself like all in the way you you you you did really well
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  academically, right. I I remember you you you
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  finished with the second class upper symbol as well.
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  You know finish with second class upper myself.
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  You know, remember I was an MC remember MC Lelland are really
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  they gave me my first role as an MC back in school.
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  Right. But then I'll just knew for
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  myself that, you know, I was not a comedian, right.
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  I was not like the core entertainer, right.
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  That I am like a proper corporate guy, right?
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  Like they kind of talents, communications talents that I
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  had, right, sort of suited a more structured environment and
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  then you know, decided to focus on my studies and still like
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  enjoy the environment. And I used to anchor things like
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  seminars, you know, you know structured events, right.
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  And then it's good to see how things are panning out for for
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  all of us, you know, love great guys you went to OU and and Dean
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  well you know in their respective fields of endeavours.
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  It's really, really fantastic to see.
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  But then would you like talk us through your academic
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  background, right and like the the achievements you you've made
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  academically because you like we used to say you are in a big way
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  that is a tree of books. Success was the musical aspect
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  of you. You know you're like a very well
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  educated, widely and well read person.
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  So can you talk about the academic side of you?
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  My academic journey started from Ecuador.
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  Like I said, I attended Site of Life High School and moved to
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  All Saints College, which was a missionary school.
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  And afterwards I did my job. And luckily for me, the year I
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  did my job, but my jam, my wife and my nickel, I passed
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  everything because a year before I had GC, I did GC.
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  And just to test myself, which actually passed.
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  And, you know, I was like, OK, yeah.
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  Can I can actually take it? So like I said the course I
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  wanted, they didn't give it to me.
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  But no cut the long story. Short.
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  Yeah, but they gave it to me anyways.
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  Yeah, they're gonna because you because you want that I.
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  Got you into the sport, boy, you you know, you know, ohh you as
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  it is, you have to read. Highly competitive school.
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  Highly highly competitive. Team even you know I had to OK
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  there was there were in in the the first year was very OK Then
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  you know you're coming with speed you're coming with you
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  know the whole energy. Then getting to year three, you
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  start facing the lecturer issues and this and that.
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  You know, but in OU, irrespective of what you're
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  doing, just make sure you are on your toes because you know there
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  are some people that you'll see them.
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  We are unserious, they are out there, you know, you don't know
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  they're actually, they are fired, they are reading that
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  someone like. Him but now.
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  You know, if you if you think because you've seen him here and
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  there's no reason, that's a lie, that's right.
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  Yeah. Exactly.
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  You know, I was after then OK in my secondary school.
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  Let me go back to my high school.
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  I I had courses that I liked and I like I said when I was the
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  Chapel prefect power, the responsibilities that I had was
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  to go represent to school in Bible quiz.
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  You know you have Bible verses or Bible chapters you have to
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  cram on your head and you have to drop and you know you have
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  competitions whereby you you're facing the the the next.
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  School. In all those squeezes.
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  So those are actually the interesting, those are the
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  memories. And like I have of my childhood,
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  I actually think of the year I actually, I got involved in some
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  things that I I can still remember.
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  And I was like, yeah, they were actually fun and you.
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  Know. Do you think those things
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  actually, you know, beat your your, your character?
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  Yes, he does. He does.
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  He really does. Because, you know, there are
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  some things that personality, some people, some people would
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  do and be like me. I'm just like, Nah, it doesn't
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  really. So there are some, yeah.
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  It's just like grooming. There's no way those things will
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  not have their own effect on someone's growth on our how you
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  eventually turn because those are the things you've put in
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  your head when you're when your brain was too young, open trying
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  to figure out everything. Those are the things you were
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  feeding your brain. So here I can personally you
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  know, I can see that it's actually has influenced my life
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  in the whole way. So in Oahu, like I said, I was
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  able to handle the educational part and thank God, even though
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  I had to retake of course, which I think the cost was from your
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  department. Still why?
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  I support rejections from economics, man.
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  One statistics and. Yeah, the statistics course. 106
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  106. One or 6000 Mathematics.
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  Yeah. And yeah, Matrix and the lights,
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  yeah, that was that was because I didn't retake the course.
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  I left it and I didn't put it. I didn't add it on my any of
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  year two or year three because because as at that time I was
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  already getting involved with music and everything.
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  So now I need if I add another extra cost on it, it will demand
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  more time and I will not be able.
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  To. Cope so and the last thing I
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  wanted to add it in the last year, but unfortunately that
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  last year had an extra cost on it and I could not add more than
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  the units. Yeah, there's like a maximum
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  number of units that you can do. Yeah.
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  So absolutely take it we. Just terrible.
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  And it's the second semester course, so it means.
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  You have and that's the second semester, of course.
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  That is terrible. But you know, you know how go
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  down helps me. That was the year they were
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  merging convocation. So even when I finished, I still
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  have the same convocation with everybody because.
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  Wow. Wow.
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  They were merging. All things work together for
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  good. Afterwards I I went to Sokoto.
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  I still thought geography in Sokoto.
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  Interesting. Interesting.
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  Yeah, I learned how a little Houser in Sokoto.
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  Just you know, communication, day-to-day communication, buying
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  stuff. Then I had no, we had no issue
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  with Boko Haram or anything or any of those stuffs.
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  It was actually safe. And they were actually warm.
• 25:45
  You know, I learned a whole lot about that period of my life.
• 25:50
  Actually taught me a whole lot about how our human we actually
• 25:55
  are away from. Ohh this scientific developments
• 26:01
  and everything. There are still people on this
• 26:03
  earth that are still living, as bare, as you know, a whole lot
• 26:10
  of years ago. There are still people that are
• 26:13
  not in this our space that we actually we actually used to
• 26:17
  think maybe. Much closer to nature feels that
• 26:21
  it basically brought you closer to each.
• 26:23
  Other to nature, Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:26
  So it was actually cool to actually, you know, see that
• 26:30
  part? So when I finished, when I
• 26:33
  finished serving in Sokoto, had to come back to Lagos because,
• 26:39
  you know, I was. I was done doing what I was
• 26:41
  doing and I didn't have, I didn't have the plan of staying.
• 26:45
  So I was in Lagos then. Um, after a while, I think how I
• 26:53
  worked in Lagos. Yeah, I worked in Lagos.
• 26:55
  When I got to Lagos, I worked. And after a while I got signed
• 26:58
  to a label and that period, it was all music.
• 27:05
  It was all music about my life, everything, the whole movement,
• 27:09
  all music. Then after I was out of the
• 27:11
  label, not. I think it was.
• 27:16
  I think it was three months after I just had the change of
• 27:20
  mind that I need. I need I I can't just be like
• 27:23
  this. I can't.
• 27:24
  I I can't leave myself and not have some self improvement or
• 27:29
  self development away from music.
• 27:32
  Yeah, away from music. I just had that thought, which I
• 27:36
  know. We still delve into that those
• 27:38
  areas though, so I just had to like go get my masters and
• 27:45
  secure that and you know, build myself.
• 27:48
  There were a lot of things I still needed to do in terms of
• 27:52
  personal growth, building mental growth, building financial
• 28:00
  growth, building financial management, the holder of steps
• 28:05
  I needed to which I was, and I am actually now, grateful I was
• 28:10
  able to realise that, yeah, I needed all these things as a
• 28:13
  human being. You know so.
• 28:18
  Yeah, yeah. So you you you, you did a
• 28:20
  masters in some university in Cyprus, right?
• 28:24
  Yeah. What?
• 28:25
  What was your masters on? Like what was the TCP and the
• 28:30
  special TV masters? OK, umm, let me link.
• 28:35
  Let me link the time I left my at the level in Nigeria and the
• 28:41
  time I decide to travel. So now, you know, I studied
• 28:45
  geography, Yeah. And the and the, the part of
• 28:47
  geography that excited me the most was the explorative part of
• 28:51
  it, the whole Air Force thing, the whole getting to know
• 28:54
  places. So I had the feeling of, OK,
• 28:57
  what course could I do that? Still, I wanted to do marketing.
• 29:01
  I wanted to do management, OK. At the same time, I still have
• 29:04
  affinity for geography, tourism, getting to know different places
• 29:09
  and not so. When I I checked the the
• 29:13
  brochure of the school I saw they had, they had tourism and
• 29:19
  hospitality, my even and under the courses I saw that they had
• 29:23
  the management and they had marketing.
• 29:26
  So which the? And all under the Tories.
• 29:31
  And they had the, the clothes selling parts like like a like a
• 29:39
  hotel boutique part. So there were different
• 29:42
  different areas I could actually benefit from.
• 29:44
  I just decided like, OK, yeah, I think this is the cause for me.
• 29:47
  Just use one stone to kill different bread, which was a
• 29:50
  very, very great step because I had to learn a lot about
• 29:56
  business, about marketing, you know, the forward integration,
• 29:59
  backward integration, brand differentiation had to learn a
• 30:03
  whole lot about how to handle the business because the tourism
• 30:07
  space to is the business is an industry on its own and it still
• 30:12
  consists of music itself. It's so intertwined.
• 30:14
  With arts and culture, he seems that time.
• 30:17
  With the hotel management and like so I just.
• 30:21
  I just. Felt that was a.
• 30:22
  Good cause for me, which you know he actually is.
• 30:25
  So after then I decided to move here to UK because here you
• 30:30
  know, it gives the opportunity to you know.
• 30:34
  It gives you more. Opportunities to choose from,
• 30:37
  let me just put it that way exactly.
• 30:39
  And you know anything you get to put your mind on doing you have
• 30:43
  the the opportunities right the right opportunities to be able
• 30:46
  to to execute them it's it's it's a nice place to be in So
• 30:51
  talking about your your passion for music and you know on if if
• 30:56
  if we if we went to randomly into Apple Music right I would
• 30:59
  set the word while Dee right one song pops up and that song is
• 31:05
  titled so way too So what was the inspiration they hide in
• 31:10
  Soweto. OK, Soweto is a.
• 31:18
  Song that was actually originally written by Fireboy
• 31:23
  DML. As I know with.
• 31:27
  Products. I've not said this to anybody
• 31:31
  before, but you know. So just just spoiler alert,
• 31:36
  right? You guys first heard this on the
• 31:38
  Kingdoms Podcast to continue, my brother, Let me let me go.
• 31:43
  Back to OU days while we were in school in the oil industry
• 31:47
  because you know I I just made I just we just talked about that
• 31:52
  briefly. So you know what?
• 31:55
  When OU we had. Other artists.
• 31:58
  To doing the crafts and everything we had somewhere.
• 32:01
  We had blood, bones, we had fireboy DML, we had the whole of
• 32:07
  guys doing their things. Comedians too, are really, you
• 32:11
  know, into Sinbad and the lights.
• 32:14
  So I thought we left school. Back in school, Fibre and I were
• 32:19
  quite close, you know, at the point where roommates and
• 32:24
  afterwards there was a day he was playing some songs for me
• 32:27
  and you know, and your father was a very, very good writer.
• 32:31
  So we were and we, we were fond of freestyling.
• 32:35
  I played the guitar, he sings, Zamora sings.
• 32:38
  You know, we just do our thing and just restart.
• 32:41
  So that day he played some songs and I liked the song.
• 32:48
  I like the couple of the songs, but that very one, I liked it
• 32:51
  and I was singing it. I was like, yeah, I want this
• 32:54
  song, like I like this song. And we spoke about him.
• 32:57
  He was like, ohh, no worries, like like, no worries.
• 33:00
  Like you can have the song and all.
• 33:02
  And it was actually produced by Zaki.
• 33:07
  It was actually produced by. Exactly, because then the.
• 33:10
  Northern Nigerian singer turned producer Yeah.
• 33:15
  Yeah, you people know him as, you know, he produced the
• 33:19
  fireboy around my song, so. Industries in order to.
• 33:26
  So. We.
• 33:31
  Because we're. All roommates too and we're all
• 33:34
  songwriters. And he he repeated the date and
• 33:37
  we he came to my side. And as Zaki too was on my side
• 33:41
  then in Lagos, we recorded it in in second toll gate in Lagos,
• 33:48
  you know our estate then. So we recorded it and you know,
• 33:53
  I just did it my way and delivered it my way, you know,
• 33:57
  and it was cool and I. You know I I told you I.
• 34:02
  Used to listen to different juries of songs, including South
• 34:07
  African song. You know, when I heard the song,
• 34:10
  he the song meant much to me because he had the.
• 34:15
  He had this. Historical connection with me
• 34:20
  because of the kind of songs I used to listen to when when I
• 34:23
  was young. I used to listen to Miriam,
• 34:25
  Makeba, Humans, Aquila, even Paul Simons, Graceland.
• 34:30
  I used to listen to it when I was young.
• 34:33
  So lucky. Lucky doobie.
• 34:35
  Yeah, Brenda fox. Yeah, random Fossi.
• 34:41
  I think she's big into those. Yeah.
• 34:43
  So I just like. The song and the staging
• 34:46
  experience. Room.
• 34:48
  Yeah, it was. It was.
• 34:50
  So that's actually the story of how Soweto was made.
• 34:54
  And you know it was. It's a beautiful song, which
• 34:56
  today I still love. I love this song so much.
• 35:00
  Ohh wow, interested. So speaking.
• 35:01
  Of South Africa, right? South Africa, where you do have
• 35:05
  the Spotify analytics for this podcast, right?
• 35:07
  And the third, you know, the country with the third highest
• 35:11
  population of listeners to the kingdoms partners to South
• 35:14
  Africa. Ohh.
• 35:15
  Nice. Yeah.
• 35:17
  It just says I think the number one is the UK, #2 is Nigeria, #3
• 35:20
  South Africa, and I think some other countries are coming up
• 35:23
  popping up on the likes of France, the likes of.
• 35:26
  Switzerland, you know, they're they're.
• 35:28
  Popping up in the analytics, you know, So we're going global.
• 35:31
  We're going global on on social media.
• 35:35
  There's a lot of force, you know, made about, you know,
• 35:38
  Nigerian men and South African women.
• 35:41
  You know, they're like, oh, when is South Africa woman gets into
• 35:44
  a Nigerian man face, You know, like Nigerian men are like
• 35:48
  really carrying, you know, they spent a lot of money for South
• 35:51
  African women. Have you ever been in your own
• 35:53
  South African women face? No, no, no.
• 35:57
  No, no. That you're just you're just
• 36:00
  digging this away to song, right?
• 36:04
  No, I just. I just, I just love them
• 36:07
  generally. I just love S Africans.
• 36:09
  I love their culture, you know? You know, back in the days they
• 36:13
  they started this infusing cultures into music.
• 36:17
  So you can see what. They're feeling Cesar Afina.
• 36:21
  You could you could actually feel the pain in the song.
• 36:23
  You could actually feel the pain in every lyrics, you know, even
• 36:27
  their culture, the dance and everything.
• 36:29
  So you know it's I'm a I'm a kind of personal if you if you
• 36:32
  go to my page now there's. Something.
• 36:36
  There are some two things you will know.
• 36:37
  There are two things you will notice.
• 36:39
  This guy likes fashion and this guy likes Afrobeats.
• 36:43
  The interested. Interest those things would be.
• 36:46
  Able to pick from my page while just without watching my videos.
• 36:51
  So that's actually what I exhibit.
• 36:55
  It is a massive. Movement.
• 36:56
  But before we talk about Afro Beats, let's talk about my piano
• 36:59
  because that is, you know, the biggest musical movement from
• 37:02
  South Africa right now. What what are your thoughts on,
• 37:05
  you know, on the global acceptance and movement of AMA
• 37:10
  piano and do we need to see hear any.
• 37:14
  I'm up here. The sound from you, you know,
• 37:15
  going into the future. Yeah, all these years I've.
• 37:21
  Actually been recording that. That's something I never stopped
• 37:24
  doing. I never stopped writing.
• 37:26
  I never stopped recording, you know, I've been recording and
• 37:30
  I've been listening to sounds, listening sounds.
• 37:33
  So definitely I'm going to this, this, I'm saying for the first
• 37:39
  time because um, I've been, you know, I've been away for a
• 37:42
  couple of years from the music musical scene, you know, which
• 37:46
  will still talk about. You.
• 37:48
  You're preempting one of my next set of questions.
• 37:52
  OK, no problem, since you're preempting it, right?
• 37:54
  No problem. Because that's my script right
• 37:57
  here in front of my laptop, right?
• 37:58
  And that is the very next question.
• 38:00
  Let me read it out to you. Why?
• 38:03
  Why the? Boss, why the post in your
• 38:06
  musical career after the Soweto single?
• 38:08
  So tell us. Yes, this is like you're reading
• 38:11
  my script, right? OK, preempt me.
• 38:13
  Tell us. Why the POST?
• 38:17
  Why do post my musical journey? Yeah, yes.
• 38:20
  Because you, you definitely have the recording, but you have not
• 38:23
  been publishing. So tell us, have not been
• 38:25
  published fans? Yeah.
• 38:26
  So the fans were there's. A.
• 38:28
  There's a. Deliberate reason for that.
• 38:29
  Very deliberate one, you know, the last time I spoke about.
• 38:36
  I. Spoke about.
• 38:38
  Me realising I had. In the music space.
• 38:43
  There are some requirements, yeah.
• 38:46
  And. Apart from the.
• 38:48
  You being able to record apart from you being able to.
• 38:54
  Perform as an. Artist.
• 38:55
  You're good. You know how to write.
• 38:57
  There are some knowledge you have to know.
• 39:00
  That's why some people feel or they don't know how the
• 39:03
  Nigerians do it. There's a way that's been done.
• 39:06
  There are some things you must know personally.
• 39:08
  So after I got out of my libel. I decided I.
• 39:16
  Wanted to improve myself because I knew personally there's some
• 39:19
  things I needed to know. And I.
• 39:23
  Knew the time frame I had. In learning.
• 39:28
  Some fundamental things, so I tried to go for my masters
• 39:32
  which. There was no way I could.
• 39:35
  Have been pushing their masters and my song heavily since I was
• 39:40
  even in the country. So I had to travel.
• 39:44
  To Cyprus to get my masters. And when I was done all through
• 39:48
  those times, I was recording, you know, some days I just
• 39:51
  snippets and all, but I need that, the managerial knowledge
• 39:57
  of the music space, you know, OK.
• 40:01
  Before I. Travelled.
• 40:03
  I realised that when I was in my when I was on my the formality
• 40:09
  bill. There were a lot of.
• 40:11
  Things going on in my head. There were a lot of pains.
• 40:16
  Going on in my. Heart that I could not voice out
• 40:20
  to anybody. I wasn't even in the.
• 40:23
  Space of anybody listening to whatever way to see so now.
• 40:31
  After I left I. Just had to sit down like, OK,
• 40:34
  Yeah, I'm not the only person who goes through this kind of
• 40:39
  thing. Exactly, exactly, yeah.
• 40:42
  A lot of people to. Going through this kind of thing
• 40:44
  and they can't see, but you know, you just have to keep
• 40:47
  moving. So I just realised that OK now.
• 40:50
  What were the reasons why? These things happen to you.
• 40:53
  What were the things you needed to know?
• 40:55
  What were the lessons learned? OK, now for you not to go fix
• 41:00
  that same thing again. And for you to think.
• 41:03
  In a In a wider sense, the wider.
• 41:06
  Just think in a wider picture she needs.
• 41:09
  Some sort of. Development which made me go to
• 41:12
  my masters and after then I start I started doing some
• 41:19
  little little businesses myself. So.
• 41:24
  Which would lead me. To another section of the whole
• 41:28
  story, which is the lead music group section of the whole
• 41:31
  story. OK, but.
• 41:32
  Then we before we get to the Leeds Music Group, right,
• 41:35
  Because apparently that's the next thing on on my agenda.
• 41:39
  Right. But then, you know, let's speak
• 41:41
  a little bit about the the, the depression that our musical
• 41:46
  artists actually face. And then I think it they they
• 41:50
  they've been hit with like a lot of mental pressure in this age
• 41:54
  and time that if you're not in the limelight, if you're not in
• 41:57
  the mainstream, you know or probably you probably hit some
• 42:00
  sort of stardom at some point and then you are not selling as
• 42:05
  much as you used to be, right, They bring.
• 42:09
  Up like different. Antics and some of them go into
• 42:13
  like full on depression. Like what?
• 42:16
  Why do you think that is happening?
• 42:18
  You know, in recent time. The reason is this.
• 42:24
  Basically, let's look at ratio. Which is statistics.
• 42:32
  The ratio of record labels to. Number of artists would be like
• 42:38
  1. 299. You understand?
• 42:42
  So now there are some people that are actually do not have
• 42:47
  anybody to push them. They've invested so much time,
• 42:51
  so much money, so much of their life into that craft, and it
• 42:56
  doesn't even seem as if they're doing what they're doing right
• 42:59
  to get some points. So people don't even have some
• 43:02
  people feel they need some people to get somewhere and the
• 43:05
  knowledge of actually getting there.
• 43:07
  They don't have it, but they know they have the talent.
• 43:09
  Now the frustration of spending each year kissing that same
• 43:14
  dream Not. Feeling.
• 43:16
  You've actually achieved enough. And you have.
• 43:20
  Pressures around from from yourself.
• 43:26
  You have pressures from your family.
• 43:27
  You have pressure from your mom who loves you so much and wants
• 43:31
  you to. To be.
• 43:35
  To be a a very successful person, she's supporting your
• 43:39
  craft while at the same time she's.
• 43:41
  Scared you yourself you're. Scared.
• 43:45
  Because even if you get to the top, you'll still be scared of
• 43:48
  not falling. Ruby was not using.
• 43:51
  The day, yeah. So there are a lot of people who
• 43:55
  actually fall into that when they've tried.
• 43:58
  A whole lot they've tried. They've few actually.
• 44:00
  They've tried. You know, we don't know about
• 44:01
  time. We don't know God's plan.
• 44:03
  So we only work, we only do whatever we're doing in that
• 44:07
  vacuum of of of that blind spot of, OK, that hope.
• 44:13
  Consistency. And if I put in the work it's
• 44:16
  gonna get done. But no that's for some people
• 44:20
  that if they put in the work pray and they are consistent,
• 44:25
  the results gonna come. Now let's say 20% gets that
• 44:30
  arrangement right and the the the result comes there are like
• 44:36
  80% that actually I've. Been on the.
• 44:40
  Underground for years. That have not even.
• 44:44
  Been seen one bit, so a whole lot of people actually.
• 44:48
  Go through that when. They actually have wasted their
• 44:51
  time on a lot on that same craft, and it doesn't look
• 44:53
  bright on the other side too. You know what?
• 44:56
  Which other way would I go? OK, if this music doesn't work,
• 44:59
  what would I do? So why is it that you?
• 45:02
  Don't have a Plan B? Yeah, you should have a Plan B,
• 45:05
  Plan B and Plan C Yeah, Plan B. Like is like is like out of
• 45:11
  every artist in Nigeria. The real truth is.
• 45:14
  Like. If everybody cannot blow
• 45:19
  everybody. Cannot.
• 45:21
  No, it cannot. It's it's that's that's a.
• 45:24
  That's a rule. Some some people.
• 45:28
  Will. Definitely a whole lot will so.
• 45:31
  Now there are a lot of. People that actually do not have
• 45:33
  a Plan B never planned ahead and you know by the time it happens
• 45:42
  then you would actually be stuck.
• 45:44
  Then you want you OK, wait till you go.
• 45:47
  You understand so. I I didn't want to be in that
• 45:51
  situation too, because to me, the way I see this thing, music
• 45:56
  is just one is 1 of it. But you don't.
• 46:01
  I don't want to because of that one.
• 46:05
  Huge order. My other abilities, my other
• 46:10
  energies may order probabilities.
• 46:15
  So I just have to like. Look outside.
• 46:18
  That's some mathematics. Let me get more knowledge, let
• 46:21
  me improve myself, let me give myself more options.
• 46:27
  Let me give myself more. Options in life rather than just
• 46:31
  one option, which was what I went for.
• 46:35
  And just who I. Hope.
• 46:37
  Yeah, What? I hope Young up and coming
• 46:39
  artists are listening to you, listening to this advice, you
• 46:42
  know? Yeah, so you know.
• 46:44
  There are some people that will actually blow, they will
• 46:46
  actually blow on TikTok. They will actually blow,
• 46:48
  actually blow, blow and after some time you know they won't
• 46:52
  pop again. That to is another stage of it.
• 46:56
  You know, the stage of OK people that don't even get to people.
• 46:58
  Some people get to blow few months and some people get to
• 47:01
  like a couple like one or two years and still.
• 47:05
  Don't have a plan? B.
• 47:08
  She's just like. Me just thinking.
• 47:12
  Outside will say, OK, yeah, I can't allow this to happen.
• 47:15
  If I don't do this, to this, to this, this will happen.
• 47:18
  But since I've known that it will happen if I don't do it,
• 47:21
  then I'll be very, very funny if I don't do what I'm supposed to
• 47:25
  do when I'm supposed to do it. You get that.
• 47:29
  Angular. So now.
• 47:32
  If I want to get to a point if I want to drop my songs, I will
• 47:36
  drop my song with with ease. I don't need this.
• 47:41
  Song to survive. And if I drop the song, this
• 47:46
  song is doing well. I still have my money to
• 47:49
  promote. And if I have a.
• 47:52
  Deal with someone. I'm not staying in your house.
• 47:56
  We have a deal. We have a deal, yeah.
• 47:59
  It's not that my morning food is based on one person.
• 48:04
  My I have no. So, you know, those are the
• 48:09
  things that. Those are the the.
• 48:12
  Realities of the. The.
• 48:16
  What's going on? Like OK, you have to depend on
• 48:20
  that person for if you have if you don't have another source of
• 48:24
  income as an artist. You know that means.
• 48:30
  If finances stock from that line, that means that's the end.
• 48:35
  You don't want to put yourself in that situation whereby one
• 48:38
  person determines either you eat or you don't eat, or you wear
• 48:42
  your clothes, or you don't wear your clothes.
• 48:45
  Regardless of. Whatever you do in life, like,
• 48:47
  it's never a good idea to be overly dependent on any one
• 48:51
  person, right? Yeah, I know.
• 48:53
  There will be a situation, there will be times whereby you are in
• 48:57
  that phase, you are pushing hard 100%.
• 49:00
  And artists, yeah, that is, that is a normal working routine.
• 49:05
  But at the same time, I'm just saying like not everybody that
• 49:10
  can, it's not everybody that can have a label that can actually
• 49:13
  hold your shoulders completely. To actually push you.
• 49:17
  Completely. Some liberals can only push your
• 49:20
  music and push like maybe 60% of what you need.
• 49:26
  If you need to do other things. Outside the box, you still have
• 49:29
  to know how you you're going to sort it.
• 49:31
  And if you are not popping yet and you are still in the face of
• 49:35
  the label pumping money, you have to do everything right at
• 49:39
  the same time You have to they They would be pumping money into
• 49:43
  your project and you you need to actually.
• 49:49
  Or. That sources of other things you
• 49:51
  need to do, you have to sort it yourself because you can't go
• 49:54
  and keep disturbing them for stuffs.
• 49:58
  When you know that. Livelihoods.
• 50:00
  Are busy investing. On you.
• 50:02
  So all those things are what actually gets artistic, OK?
• 50:06
  You see the artists you know on the TV and you just see him in
• 50:10
  real life. You realise that like he doesn't
• 50:12
  even have, you know? It doesn't even have much.
• 50:17
  There's there's a lot. Of fake life, You know, in in
• 50:19
  the musical industry, right? Yeah.
• 50:21
  Well, Speaking of labels, Speaking of labels, let's let's
• 50:24
  talk about the lead music record label.
• 50:27
  What's up with Leach Music Record label So.
• 50:31
  Like Music Group is just the record label arm of the Music
• 50:36
  Entertainment Limited. The Music Entertainment Limited
• 50:40
  is still involved in which shows still right now that we are now
• 50:46
  in the UK, we we do, you know, Rhonda.
• 50:52
  And that. Yeah, we have the time.
• 50:55
  We. Had the.
• 50:56
  Artist Rhonda and when his contract ended we moved to the
• 51:00
  UK so we had a show. Are you like your co-founder?
• 51:05
  Are you like, a co-founder of the live music regulator?
• 51:08
  No, I'm just the. Label Manager and the.
• 51:11
  One in control of the. Operations of the label and
• 51:14
  everything. So that face again, I didn't put
• 51:18
  that face in while I was in Cyprus.
• 51:21
  I had the opportunity of actually handling the music,
• 51:24
  which I took the responsibility because that was, that was
• 51:27
  another phase of the whole entertainment industry that I
• 51:30
  had not had the experience in. Remember I had the experience of
• 51:35
  being an artist? Yeah.
• 51:38
  OK, which every if you. Ask me now about what happened
• 51:43
  about when I was in my label. I will tell you something, as an
• 51:48
  artist, no music group gave me the opportunity to actually see
• 51:54
  things from the record label point of view.
• 51:58
  You know, I'm. Able to balance differences.
• 52:01
  Now I'm able to actually see when this person you know is
• 52:06
  saying this is OK. I'm able to see from the the
• 52:10
  investors perspective too, which I can say all these things are,
• 52:16
  you know I didn't. I might just be away.
• 52:21
  From the frontline scene of the the whole music thing, but I'm
• 52:25
  making sure I'm. Learning what?
• 52:29
  I'm supposed to be learning, that's why I said I'm in the
• 52:34
  self development fees, so I was able to actually see a whole lot
• 52:38
  of flaws too. And a whole lot of.
• 52:41
  Dangerous terrain you can actually run into.
• 52:44
  Actually able to see how the the the.
• 52:48
  The whole view the. Real promo actually works.
• 52:51
  What the labels actually go through to actually plug you all
• 52:55
  around the kind of connect and plugs they have to pull the kind
• 52:59
  of on your tools they have to be, they have to be on their
• 53:03
  toes for you. It's your own responsibility is
• 53:06
  just to get the songs and everything delivers.
• 53:09
  Must make sure they actually create that pathway for you,
• 53:14
  which I love. Musicians don't.
• 53:15
  See this? You know they don't because.
• 53:19
  You know, sometimes you are asking your label for something
• 53:24
  of this and the labour is already thinking of something
• 53:28
  that would skyrocket you, but you're dead disturbing them for
• 53:31
  another thing. And all those things are
• 53:34
  actually popping up and everything you know or you have
• 53:39
  maybe any kind of issues? If you ask the.
• 53:43
  Label. They will have their side if you
• 53:45
  ask. The artist will have his own
• 53:49
  side, so and exactly I've been able to actually get like
• 53:55
  around. If you're well-rounded.
• 53:58
  Perspective, yeah. From from both sides, right?
• 54:00
  Even even the marketing side, even the the online marketing
• 54:06
  and you know all those things, these are courses are still took
• 54:11
  exactly so you know when I decide to actually emerge.
• 54:21
  I'll be. Fully ready, I will know what to
• 54:25
  what to do, where to do, what not to do.
• 54:29
  What's listening to and? What not to listen to?
• 54:32
  Interesting. Well, speaking.
• 54:33
  Of our emerging right? Like, are we expecting anything
• 54:37
  from you anytime soon? Yes, bro.
• 54:40
  Yeah. Yeah, you know something.
• 54:42
  About music, music will never leave you.
• 54:46
  You know, you know some. Something dragging your neck.
• 54:48
  Like dragging your neck. It will never.
• 54:52
  I tell people what. Music is a fudge to the soul
• 54:54
  right. And I'm it's it's quite
• 54:56
  interesting. You know I had I interviewed a
• 54:58
  guest earlier today and he is actually into music business.
• 55:05
  So he he owns his own musical. He says company.
• 55:09
  So he he was talking about sometime when it was from
• 55:13
  routine. Lady Donny, you know Lady Donny.
• 55:15
  Yeah. Uh, I said.
• 55:18
  The previous guest was. Myra Balogun and Danny, At the
• 55:21
  end of the the, the podcast, you will see the question he left
• 55:24
  for you. You see the cursor left for you.
• 55:28
  Well, I'm interested. So on your profile on on on
• 55:32
  Instagram, you know I snuck out your profile and then I saw
• 55:35
  back, yeah, you are a KKYC and AML analyst.
• 55:39
  You know, are you like briefly talk about this and you know
• 55:42
  what the impact of this costs would have on the society?
• 55:46
  OK. You know he's he's QC.
• 55:50
  Let me break it down for people that don't know KYC, KYC, know
• 55:52
  your customer. And here is.
• 55:55
  Anti money laundering and my major responsibility is to make
• 55:59
  sure that whatever customer companies having is actually who
• 56:05
  he says he is. And this is this.
• 56:09
  This is one of the ways that we use in tracking down terrorism
• 56:14
  or money laundering all around the world.
• 56:17
  So before the money gets into circulation because there are
• 56:20
  different aspects of it, we have the integration and where you
• 56:26
  integrate the money into the system.
• 56:29
  So that point in time before we get to the integration thoughts,
• 56:34
  we have to have been able to see in the red flag, you know,
• 56:39
  because some people, you know you, London money and you.
• 56:45
  Easy to buy. You know Bitcoin or you just
• 56:49
  flip it or buy cars and sell the cars.
• 56:51
  Before you know it, the money has landed in another country.
• 56:55
  So it's our own responsibility to quickly check if the
• 57:00
  documents you actually provided will verify it with actually
• 57:04
  what we have on the Internet. Internet, you know, we we check.
• 57:09
  The company house, we we check. Your information we check you
• 57:13
  know where if you're if you're you're office you say you own is
• 57:18
  actually at the location you say it is and we expect if you've
• 57:22
  sent money to countries that have been red flagged by the
• 57:25
  FCA. We checked different, different
• 57:28
  things. Maybe you you you've travelled
• 57:31
  to that place before and we check where you we actually
• 57:34
  where you said you would be, the countries you've told us you'll
• 57:38
  be doing business with. And if we see like.
• 57:42
  OK. You start doing businesses with
• 57:43
  some other countries and suspicious and it's frequent we.
• 57:50
  Actually have to. Look, look at it and escalate
• 57:52
  it. So in all, it actually keeps the
• 57:57
  financial industry safe. You know, I mean, obviously.
• 58:01
  Integrity together it. Helps us to reduce the money
• 58:07
  that floods into the terrorism world.
• 58:10
  All the money that's been stolen from on underdeveloped
• 58:13
  countries, you know and and the likes of.
• 58:17
  Interest is. It reduces.
• 58:20
  Those phone misappropriation and you know, all those things.
• 58:27
  It's quite. Interesting.
• 58:28
  To see that you're quite resourceful, you know, I am a
• 58:31
  finance professional myself, you know and we utilise you know,
• 58:34
  KYC and AML cheques, you know in all of the work that we do.
• 58:39
  And you know it's fantastic to have you know somebody in into
• 58:44
  music business, right. And also be resourceful in the
• 58:49
  the financial world. Kudos to you on that, you know.
• 58:53
  And OK, so Speaking of Nigeria, the music industry, you know,
• 58:58
  Nigeria has been the the hot tub of the world.
• 59:02
  It has been that that there is like the the cake man.
• 59:07
  Pulls the hot. Cake on the world right now,
• 59:09
  especially with the Afrobeats movement, right?
• 59:12
  So can you give your two cents about, you know, the
• 59:16
  international recognition we are having and where do you see
• 59:18
  African scoring in the? Next couple of years say. 5-10
• 59:23
  years like what do you see the Afrobeat movement to win?
• 59:28
  I see Afrobeat. Actually, even still dominating
• 59:30
  the mall. Do you know why I said it?
• 59:34
  If you check your. YouTube now that's what the
• 59:36
  whole African community is talking about.
• 59:39
  Every African country. It's Afrobeat.
• 59:42
  It's the domination of Afrobeat. Now you can either win people by
• 59:47
  love or. By fear.
• 59:51
  Now they actually love Afrobeat sound right from time.
• 59:55
  But now that some countries are even out scared that Ohh won't,
• 59:58
  it's overshadowed theirs that will still keep them on their
• 1:00:02
  toes and still be tracking the Afrobeat journey.
• 1:00:08
  Either by. Podcast or by anything.
• 1:00:10
  It will be increasing the numbers and you know now that
• 1:00:15
  Nigerians actually migrated in large numbers in a couple of
• 1:00:18
  years from like four years ago to now.
• 1:00:22
  So, and if you notice a Nigerian, if a Nigerian gives
• 1:00:27
  you food in his house, he's going to play Afrobeat to step
• 1:00:30
  it down for you. Welcome.
• 1:00:33
  Everybody. Exactly.
• 1:00:35
  This is. Heaven is is massive like
• 1:00:38
  everybody's. APR already so.
• 1:00:40
  Yeah, and. Now.
• 1:00:41
  That they're penetrating. And don't forget that Afrobeat
• 1:00:45
  is multicultural. We get the source of the source
• 1:00:49
  of the sound, the source of the lyrics, and the source of the
• 1:00:52
  language from different cultures.
• 1:00:55
  And. One culture has numerous
• 1:00:58
  dynamics that you can use to write a song.
• 1:01:01
  Topless of the numerous culture and you when you start mixing
• 1:01:04
  things together you start getting different sounds.
• 1:01:07
  That's why you see Omalley has a sound, Victory has a sound,
• 1:01:10
  Burna Boy has a sound. Even if you check the, if you,
• 1:01:14
  if you check like 30 levels down and you go to the streets,
• 1:01:18
  you'll see some hot artists that's going to emerge.
• 1:01:22
  And if you notice something in the entertainment industry in
• 1:01:26
  Nigeria now this is kind of togetherness that that we're
• 1:01:31
  enjoying now that everybody's promoting for everybody,
• 1:01:35
  everybody. Is trying to.
• 1:01:36
  Make sure you see Don Jazzy promoting for this person you
• 1:01:39
  know. Everybody is trying to push the
• 1:01:41
  bunch promoting for, you know. We are now realising.
• 1:01:45
  That yeah, the spotlight is on us.
• 1:01:47
  Now is the time to take charge and as many people as we can
• 1:01:51
  push out there from Nigeria, we need to push them out there and
• 1:01:54
  make sure that we we, this is our spotlight will make use of
• 1:01:58
  it. Which is what Nigerians are
• 1:01:59
  actually doing now. Seek his Daniels new two songs.
• 1:02:03
  Now I saw something about Kidzania that Kazan deserves a
• 1:02:07
  Grammy. I saw it on X.
• 1:02:10
  That's an agenda. That can still be pushed.
• 1:02:13
  That and. Nothing seemed.
• 1:02:16
  To. Win and.
• 1:02:18
  Of the songs that you talking about, you said he has two new
• 1:02:21
  songs. I know there's one about there's
• 1:02:24
  one tweet you. Have money.
• 1:02:25
  You have money. No, it's a new.
• 1:02:28
  Song. No, no he has not released it.
• 1:02:30
  He hasn't released them. He just dropped the snippets.
• 1:02:32
  Ohh check his page. Yeah, check.
• 1:02:34
  His page they're. Hard.
• 1:02:37
  Like after the two days. Forbid either sound of numerous
• 1:02:43
  sounds that can, people cannot be tired of it, portable as its
• 1:02:47
  own side of. Blackburns has his.
• 1:02:53
  Own side of Afrobeat. So I thought it is flexible.
• 1:02:59
  So it's you. Can easily get tired of it
• 1:03:02
  because if you get a smooth Afro depression, now you get
• 1:03:07
  something from Burna boy, you get from David.
• 1:03:09
  Do you step you down with this kid?
• 1:03:12
  You know, even if you still want to go go back, you still can
• 1:03:16
  still go back to old songs of one day and still be cool.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah, well, you know. What's really interesting is
• 1:03:23
  seeing how, you know, foreigners have really come to accept and
• 1:03:29
  love Afrobeats. You know, there's sometime, I
• 1:03:32
  think earlier this year I was invited, you know, on a boat
• 1:03:34
  party somewhere in London, right?
• 1:03:36
  And then, you know, I met with, you know, people from South
• 1:03:40
  America and yeah, there's some Spanish guys there as well.
• 1:03:45
  And then if you see the way they were rocked, Afrobeats, they
• 1:03:50
  were singing, we skied Ashaka word for word.
• 1:03:53
  And I was scared. I was like, what?
• 1:03:55
  What is happening here? These guys are taking this thing
• 1:03:58
  beyond. Yeah, because that's what they.
• 1:04:01
  Are playing now and what we can walk in little and you hear that
• 1:04:05
  boy song. It's, it's, it's.
• 1:04:08
  It's. Really massive that that it's
• 1:04:10
  moving. It's massive.
• 1:04:10
  And then I think another thing that's interesting is seeing the
• 1:04:13
  fusions, right. I love the the fusions of
• 1:04:15
  Afrobeats. You know I'm Afrobeats.
• 1:04:17
  You're having fusions with AMA piano with you know author
• 1:04:22
  journalist from like different places in the world.
• 1:04:24
  You know, Afrobeat these fusion with R&B with popping the US
• 1:04:29
  look at selling. For them to accept it, that made
• 1:04:35
  it easy for them to understand the sound, because now we can
• 1:04:38
  mix it with what they understand to create something.
• 1:04:42
  See. Lonely at the top with her.
• 1:04:45
  See. Adverse.
• 1:04:46
  Yeah. She came out on Afro.
• 1:04:47
  Level, but at the same time, she still gave us the R&B style.
• 1:04:53
  Give them the five. Each of you got Red, red,
• 1:04:56
  Grandma, red, red with selling out comments.
• 1:04:59
  That song is the Global Heats, and they're happy they.
• 1:05:04
  Can actually jump on the Afro song, which is cool.
• 1:05:09
  That's like it's it's a massive I think like what's like two
• 1:05:12
  years ago and Justin Bieber you know did something with Wizkid
• 1:05:16
  and their teams and even Drake as well, trick as well.
• 1:05:20
  Did you know our collaborations with teams and we skied as well.
• 1:05:24
  So, like the the movement is really massive, right?
• 1:05:27
  So. But but then for you, if you
• 1:05:30
  were to pick like your top five Afrobeats artists, you know in
• 1:05:34
  no particular order who, who would those be?
• 1:05:36
  The top five? My top five.
• 1:05:40
  OK. My top five will be.
• 1:05:45
  Like the hottest? Exports from Nigeria right now.
• 1:05:49
  OK, the hottest. Exports on my own faith.
• 1:05:53
  On your on your playlist. I'm not talking about people you
• 1:05:56
  have emotional sentiments about. I'm talking about like, yes,
• 1:06:00
  because I know Nigerians, right? You not have, you know, faves.
• 1:06:04
  You have like fan clubs. Like, I don't, I don't identify
• 1:06:08
  with any fan club. I only identify with good music.
• 1:06:10
  That is me as a person, right. So I love, you know, anybody
• 1:06:15
  promoting excellent music from Nigeria, right?
• 1:06:18
  So for example, for me, when I checked my, you know, it's
• 1:06:21
  towards the end of the year now, I checked my YouTube Music, I
• 1:06:24
  checked my Apple Music and they knew they had this summary just
• 1:06:28
  run down for yeah, yeah, summary, yeah.
• 1:06:30
  Yeah, and I saw. That my number one was listening
• 1:06:32
  to artist was Bernard Boy. Number two was a shocker.
• 1:06:35
  I can't remember 345 but so in terms of the the, the hot
• 1:06:39
  exports that you're feeling the music right now right and also
• 1:06:44
  take into cognizance of global recognition who.
• 1:06:49
  Yeah. Yeah, I'll just take.
• 1:06:52
  I'll. Say the number one will be
• 1:06:54
  Ashaki and the reason is. Because he went to U no the
• 1:07:01
  language. Barrier the reason because the
• 1:07:04
  reason is because we've been having this noise about
• 1:07:08
  languages is stopping me from getting some recognitions of
• 1:07:13
  from doing some things. Now you killed it anyway.
• 1:07:17
  So for him having those numbers and have still having that
• 1:07:21
  strong fanbase outside Nigeria, that's why he has been able but
• 1:07:26
  so I'll see Burna boy. Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Burnout. Burnout.
• 1:07:33
  Makes. Cool moves.
• 1:07:34
  Like, legit moves. You understand.
• 1:07:37
  That's why I love. About him and you know, moves
• 1:07:39
  that makes sense. My third would be Rima.
• 1:07:46
  I told you the Rama. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:49
  I love. I love Rama.
• 1:07:51
  But my thought. Did you say 4 or?
• 1:07:54
  5 5. 5. My 4th would be Aristar.
• 1:08:02
  I guess I. You tried to teach gender
• 1:08:04
  equality now? No, I'm, I'm.
• 1:08:08
  I'm. I'm really.
• 1:08:09
  Really. Alexa.
• 1:08:12
  Come here. Like now she's had some
• 1:08:16
  collaborations with UK artists and then she's been on like the
• 1:08:19
  UK Top 40. Yeah, I I followed this.
• 1:08:22
  Yeah, Netherlands. Top of the charts.
• 1:08:28
  Then the last. One the last one, I think the
• 1:08:31
  reason I'm putting the last one is it might not be in one of the
• 1:08:37
  this. Exports or.
• 1:08:38
  Top exports are, but I know you know you see that places on
• 1:08:42
  your. Top five or your top five,
• 1:08:44
  right? Interesting.
• 1:08:45
  You're gonna have you're gonna have a hundred group mentions
• 1:08:48
  after the top five. So let's let's have #5.
• 1:08:51
  Let's have #5 #5. Who?
• 1:08:56
  Who would? I put in number.
• 1:08:58
  Five. Let me see, Let me see.
• 1:08:59
  Let me see my playlist. You wanted to add somebody?
• 1:09:03
  Just now, do you want to push that person to the honourable
• 1:09:07
  mentions? Feel free.
• 1:09:11
  OK, let me. See.
• 1:09:12
  Let me see on my knee, Let me see on my knee on my.
• 1:09:15
  Knee but. The person actually went to
• 1:09:17
  mention was victory big. Tony.
• 1:09:21
  Wow, interesting guys. Victor has a unique style.
• 1:09:24
  And Tony is. Tony would go hard.
• 1:09:28
  With Tony would go. Hard.
• 1:09:32
  Yeah. Very, very, very, very bad.
• 1:09:35
  And he's he's a good, right. He's a math.
• 1:09:37
  He's a awesome writer. Like you and.
• 1:09:40
  Even his voice, I appreciate his songs, not just love his songs.
• 1:09:43
  I appreciate what he's he's just what Rema is doing.
• 1:09:46
  I appreciate that he's doing what he's doing because those
• 1:09:49
  are the reason. See, the more we have all these
• 1:09:51
  unique sounds, those are the things that will keep Afrobeat
• 1:09:54
  more alive. You know, the more young people
• 1:09:57
  that actually to be different, pops.
• 1:10:00
  Up. You know, give them Sharma
• 1:10:03
  today, give them chicken Goujon tomorrow, You know, just mix it
• 1:10:08
  up with them. Don't let them you're.
• 1:10:10
  Actually, the spice of life. Yeah, you know, our Afro
• 1:10:14
  beauties. And this is how it's known in
• 1:10:17
  media. Don't get us.
• 1:10:18
  You understand? Yeah.
• 1:10:20
  You won't be tired. Who would you stop this?
• 1:10:22
  You know, I I like the fact that now if you think about Nigeria,
• 1:10:25
  you can actually first think about Afro beat before thinking
• 1:10:28
  about crime. Exactly, you know.
• 1:10:32
  Very, very sweet because he's actually helping us that
• 1:10:35
  actually outside Nigeria that's why you know a whole lot of us
• 1:10:39
  are actually pushing the agenda because you know while I was in
• 1:10:43
  in Cyprus, yeah, diesel times they do not want to give
• 1:10:49
  Nigerian homes, same as in Turkey too, just the one that
• 1:10:53
  give Nigerian homes cause it's because of the bad name and
• 1:10:56
  everything. But now he's about the bad
• 1:10:59
  reputation. Bad.
• 1:11:01
  Reputation. And everything.
• 1:11:04
  Yeah. So even if you don't know why
• 1:11:06
  they're like that. Yeah, I.
• 1:11:09
  Said. I do have my crazy.
• 1:11:10
  Story on on. Go ahead.
• 1:11:13
  Go ahead. Don't worry like I.
• 1:11:15
  Want you I want to hear your honourable mentions before
• 1:11:17
  before OK, so my my honourable. Mentions would be.
• 1:11:25
  Like I said, Victory. Who else?
• 1:11:30
  Who else? Who?
• 1:11:31
  Else. Who else?
• 1:11:31
  Who else? Who else?
• 1:11:33
  OK. People, I actually think that
• 1:11:35
  can still take over. Oh no, no.
• 1:11:40
  Before that. When the call, Yeah, When the
• 1:11:43
  call, please. When the call before victory
• 1:11:45
  mean. Sorry.
• 1:11:48
  ID that one you call? Yeah.
• 1:11:53
  He's one of the guys that I will listen to and listen to and
• 1:11:56
  listen to. And I wouldn't.
• 1:11:59
  You know, get that you would notice that Wizkid and Davido
• 1:12:04
  are not on my. Ohh my.
• 1:12:07
  Top exports? Yeah.
• 1:12:09
  Why? Why do?
• 1:12:10
  Why do Because. Whole lot is changing.
• 1:12:16
  Now, yeah. OK.
• 1:12:18
  And your whole lot is going. To change.
• 1:12:20
  So in terms of the at the moment, at the moment stuff,
• 1:12:25
  yeah. At least for this year.
• 1:12:28
  Yeah, I'm I'm building it on that for WW.
• 1:12:32
  Didn't really do. Much this year.
• 1:12:35
  But you know the. Whole thing.
• 1:12:37
  You're not gonna come after you. Yeah, indeed.
• 1:12:43
  Whiskey needed a. Rest.
• 1:12:44
  No whiskey needed. Rest this year, OK.
• 1:12:47
  Just give me the rest this. Year generally.
• 1:12:50
  In terms of our best exports, yeah, definitely.
• 1:12:55
  Whiskey and Davido are going to top it.
• 1:12:58
  You understand? But for this year, you know,
• 1:13:00
  right now, music is as it's happening, as it's happening
• 1:13:03
  before you know it. Another another thing, however,
• 1:13:07
  yeah. So.
• 1:13:09
  OK then, that's where we skied one.
• 1:13:13
  One of the cool and and DeVito are going to be, you understand,
• 1:13:20
  So they are actually always there.
• 1:13:21
  They're always there. But the people that are actually
• 1:13:23
  making it are actually. Like that actually.
• 1:13:27
  Then remote actually drilling hard now for us.
• 1:13:30
  Yeah, Burna Boy is actually drilling hard for us now at the
• 1:13:33
  moment. You.
• 1:13:35
  Understand. But Bernard Boy performed at
• 1:13:38
  What's It ohh some some international soccer?
• 1:13:45
  Events. Happens.
• 1:13:48
  Yeah, you have a Champions League final, right?
• 1:13:51
  But remember, was he performed at the balloon d'Or ceremony,
• 1:13:56
  right, David, who performed at the World Cup?
• 1:13:58
  You know it's each. Year to.
• 1:14:01
  See Afrobeats, you know, being, you know, performed, being
• 1:14:04
  presented at the global stage, at the very peaks of the global
• 1:14:09
  stage. And you know, it's it's
• 1:14:11
  fantastic, makes you proud to be a Nigerian, to identify as a
• 1:14:15
  Nigerian, to identify as an African, you know?
• 1:14:18
  To see. That you know, the African
• 1:14:19
  people with any state really going places.
• 1:14:22
  But mind you, you know you have the mainstream Afrobeats and
• 1:14:25
  then you still have, you know journalists of Afro beats that
• 1:14:31
  are like alter crews, like the alternative music.
• 1:14:35
  You know, pioneered by the people that people people like
• 1:14:37
  see me, I think I didn't really used to be like awesome alter
• 1:14:41
  alter, cruise, but I think it's kind of the.
• 1:14:47
  OK, people like. See me people like Oladipo, you
• 1:14:51
  know they just. Only.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah, so. So, So what do you think about
• 1:14:55
  those guys like they are like another industry on their own?
• 1:15:01
  Another industry on their own. If you notice the way, the way
• 1:15:05
  Afrobeat is, we have people that sound like this, we have people
• 1:15:09
  like that sound like this, and we have people that sound like
• 1:15:12
  this. And we now have people that.
• 1:15:14
  OK, I want to sound like this. Let me bring two of the ways to
• 1:15:18
  me does this, this, this. Let me bring one of that.
• 1:15:22
  Let me sound like, let me use Ijesha Small here, let me use.
• 1:15:26
  So that's how Afrobeat is. All those juries just still
• 1:15:29
  makes the whole industry complete that's why these two
• 1:15:33
  can they will not still understand how it how it is
• 1:15:36
  because you have a cheeky that sounds that way you have a
• 1:15:40
  portable that sounds this way you still have Someone Like You
• 1:15:44
  cash that sounds the way it sounds.
• 1:15:46
  So there are some people that they they grew up listening to
• 1:15:50
  Lil Kesh or they grew up listening to wonder could see
• 1:15:52
  Oxley said he grew up listening to wonderful so wonderful had a
• 1:15:56
  great influence on his sound. So now all the sounds that we
• 1:16:00
  now still have now a lot of people will still in new
• 1:16:02
  generation thoughts to pick from those sounds build on it.
• 1:16:06
  So it's still keep on building new sounds because someone might
• 1:16:11
  make teaching coaching was mixing Chinese.
• 1:16:14
  Yeah. That is another.
• 1:16:16
  Style. So you know.
• 1:16:19
  They are. They are actually doing their
• 1:16:20
  group, like seeming now, seeming.
• 1:16:21
  Semi has an audience. People that love.
• 1:16:24
  I like people that love melodious songs, people I love
• 1:16:27
  Indigenous songs, alternative songs.
• 1:16:30
  You know, she can still do all she can still do our R&B people
• 1:16:34
  that they still have their own fanbase and those kind of songs
• 1:16:38
  tend to feed us with good content.
• 1:16:40
  Those kind of songs are the songs that have the good lyrics.
• 1:16:43
  So now, by the time you've done Fuji Small, you want to put some
• 1:16:48
  vocal dexterity into your thing, You move into R&B people, the
• 1:16:52
  way they sing, you put time. There's more, you know, all
• 1:16:54
  those things. So it's just.
• 1:16:57
  It's just a full industry. That will have, which we are
• 1:17:00
  actually enjoying now. Don't forget we still have the
• 1:17:02
  songwriters we have to promote as the managers, the event
• 1:17:06
  planners, you know, all those people that are underground
• 1:17:09
  doing their work, the PR's, the Naidu and the lights, everybody
• 1:17:13
  playing his part. So you see that you know the the
• 1:17:16
  whole engine of everything is coming from Nigeria, the 200.
• 1:17:20
  Almost almost 3. 100 million people, you're putting the
• 1:17:24
  engine. They are the engine which
• 1:17:26
  resonates outside that we are listening here.
• 1:17:29
  You you you understand. So that's why so.
• 1:17:33
  Far. Nigerians are keeping it hot.
• 1:17:37
  Do you would you stop? Them now because you have
• 1:17:39
  Nigerian everywhere around the world, yes.
• 1:17:43
  Your friend your. White friends.
• 1:17:44
  Now at least they will have heard one or two Afrobeat songs
• 1:17:47
  from you. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:17:50
  I'm I'm a big ambassador of of of afrobeats.
• 1:17:53
  I think I I I like got into some sort of like argument with
• 1:17:58
  somebody you know when she told me that she does not like Afro
• 1:18:02
  beats and like she don't like me.
• 1:18:06
  I don't feel like ohh, why are you afraid?
• 1:18:11
  Some people don't like the first listening, so people don't like
• 1:18:16
  it. Depends on the introductory
• 1:18:18
  song. For instance, Yeah, if you if,
• 1:18:22
  if. You go and meet.
• 1:18:22
  Your white friend and she likes to see me kind of song and she
• 1:18:26
  likes, I'm sorry, R&B and you play Afrobeat.
• 1:18:31
  In R&B. Form to her, she would connect
• 1:18:35
  easily. From there, she can listen to
• 1:18:37
  more from there. She's already understanding the
• 1:18:39
  sound. But if you go and bring the if
• 1:18:42
  grand play he potable or a fast song to someone that likes
• 1:18:48
  violin, tempo, kind of of violin sound, kind of song, you know
• 1:18:53
  she might not quickly connect and you just give them.
• 1:18:55
  The the fusion, the the Afro fusion that you know connects to
• 1:18:59
  their own like musical background sometimes.
• 1:19:01
  OK. And some things what fascinates
• 1:19:03
  me is that sometimes you will hear a random song, fast beat
• 1:19:08
  song that you don't expect what person to like and they're just
• 1:19:12
  gonna like it and they just want to do that move they are doing
• 1:19:15
  there. So you know, so it depends you.
• 1:19:17
  Know. Yeah, music has gone a long way
• 1:19:20
  and you know, you know in clubs, right?
• 1:19:25
  Logo like a white dominated clubs.
• 1:19:28
  They like EDM. That's electronic dance.
• 1:19:30
  Yeah, yes. Like I was like after the UK
• 1:19:34
  recently and then you know, I was in one of those clubs and I
• 1:19:38
  saw that the DJ was playing Afrobeats you know, at EDM or
• 1:19:44
  what is happening here, you know.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  You need to those techno you know.
• 1:19:55
  It was yeah. They're just doing that dance.
• 1:19:58
  I like ohh wow like interested proud proud of these properties.
• 1:20:02
  Let's I forgot my, my my my Crime Story.
• 1:20:06
  Right. So I, you know, I, I, I work as
• 1:20:08
  an auditor. Right.
• 1:20:09
  And then there's some time out in you know some client office
• 1:20:14
  and I was, you know, having a conversation with one of the
• 1:20:18
  staff members and then the staff member asked me oh, where are
• 1:20:21
  you from? I said, oh, I'm from Nigeria.
• 1:20:24
  And then the lady she's helped to make and how foolish, right.
• 1:20:30
  And then guess what she told me. She said oh wow that's ohh if
• 1:20:33
  from Nigeria. I I hear the lot of criminals
• 1:20:36
  from Nigeria is that why they're bringing an auditor like you
• 1:20:39
  from Nigeria so that you can detect our crime was like what
• 1:20:44
  the hell? Like OK you can you can easily
• 1:20:47
  detect fraud. Fraud was where she used, like I
• 1:20:52
  felt, really. But then I had, you know, if
• 1:20:55
  you're a professional environment, you have to compose
• 1:20:57
  yourself at all. Yeah.
• 1:20:58
  Yeah, Yeah. I guess, guess, guess what I did
• 1:21:00
  in that kind of situation, right.
• 1:21:01
  You know, I have to educate that.
• 1:21:03
  I thought that, right. I see that, you know, you've
• 1:21:06
  been hearing a lot of negative press about Nigeria.
• 1:21:10
  Let's, let's have a conversation.
• 1:21:13
  What do you think? Is the population of the UK just
• 1:21:15
  like, oh, she did not know. OK, let's check the Internet.
• 1:21:18
  I think we were like around 6 to 6,000,000 thereby, right.
• 1:21:22
  Then after like, what do you think the population of Nigeria
• 1:21:24
  least she was like ohh should be less than the UK.
• 1:21:26
  I said no, I'm sorry. It is.
• 1:21:28
  We checked it was more than 200 million right?
• 1:21:30
  After that. The law of numbers, right.
• 1:21:32
  If you have like a lot of people, more than 200 million,
• 1:21:36
  OK you would agree with me that you have a good, the bad and the
• 1:21:40
  ugly, right? She said yes, that's a good
• 1:21:42
  right. So.
• 1:21:44
  We have a large population. Spread.
• 1:21:45
  So we have like, you know both the good and the people around
• 1:21:49
  you and you know and you know that, you know negative use
• 1:21:53
  sales faster, right. Yeah.
• 1:21:55
  She's like looking yes. And then let me tell you
• 1:21:57
  something. In Nigeria, we have a culture of
• 1:21:59
  excellence, right? Nigerians have the best doctors
• 1:22:03
  in the world, the best nurses in the world, the best IT experts
• 1:22:06
  in the world, the best accountants in the world, like
• 1:22:09
  myself, right? But then you don't get, you
• 1:22:13
  know, good press for being the best accountant in the world.
• 1:22:16
  You don't get good press for being, you know, one of the best
• 1:22:19
  doctors in the world unless, you know, come up with some miracle
• 1:22:23
  innovation or something, right? And then you.
• 1:22:26
  Know also, we also have the best fraudsters in the world, right?
• 1:22:31
  Right. You know you have.
• 1:22:33
  You have. Everything.
• 1:22:36
  Ohh, yeah, I'll be the best at anything that you do, whether it
• 1:22:38
  is positive or negative. And it's just like, ohh, wow,
• 1:22:41
  thank you very much for educating me about the culture
• 1:22:43
  of blah blah, blah, you know? And then she was like, ohh,
• 1:22:46
  she'd love to visit that dress something like it.
• 1:22:48
  Nice, nice, nice, good one here. But.
• 1:22:50
  Then I think a lot. Of Nigerians react to these
• 1:22:53
  things in a very combative way. You get it when people say
• 1:22:56
  something that's nice probably come from like you puppy attack
• 1:22:59
  them, don't feel attacked. No, no, no, Love.
• 1:23:03
  Yes. Spread the love you know And
• 1:23:04
  then to know about Afro beats. Ohh.
• 1:23:06
  Well, yeah. He said to about this song.
• 1:23:08
  I didn't even. Know that Ohh no this, you know
• 1:23:10
  guys are from that jersey, yet they are from Nigeria.
• 1:23:12
  That is our music on Xbox. You know it's, you know, I don't
• 1:23:17
  know they carry last. So that's you.
• 1:23:19
  That's. You actually changing that
• 1:23:22
  opinion in just, yeah, you. Know Effective few minutes.
• 1:23:26
  Yeah, now she has. Another thing to say about that
• 1:23:28
  same country. He gets, you know, like bad
• 1:23:32
  news, spreads like wildfire, but then, you know, I think for
• 1:23:36
  everybody. Outside Nigeria, yeah.
• 1:23:38
  Irrespective of how ohh, I don't like that please.
• 1:23:42
  So there's something you can take away from me that that's
• 1:23:45
  your country, and at any point in time you should still try
• 1:23:49
  your best to still preach that light from the country, because
• 1:23:54
  it is on us. To be good ambassadors of the
• 1:23:56
  country on us. Yeah, it is on us you.
• 1:23:59
  Know and I I try my own very beats you know I I I put in my
• 1:24:03
  work every day. You know I try to be the best
• 1:24:05
  that you know anything that I'm doing.
• 1:24:07
  I try to inspire people you know I try to put people on a
• 1:24:10
  positive path. I tried to spread positive
• 1:24:12
  energy right everyday my life. So and you know me being the
• 1:24:17
  responsible individual by contributing to any environment
• 1:24:21
  positively that I am in. You know I I want to believe
• 1:24:25
  that you know that is a good you know ambassadorship of the
• 1:24:29
  country. The country should actually be
• 1:24:30
  paying me for being a good. Well, I don't get.
• 1:24:35
  I don't get the flowers. I don't get the kudos that I
• 1:24:38
  deserve, right? Get my tear.
• 1:24:42
  Right. So.
• 1:24:43
  So what? Are you Alright?
• 1:24:44
  These you know your interests. You know?
• 1:24:46
  How do you balance Kavya's personal life?
• 1:24:52
  My hobbies. When I want to relax, I like to
• 1:24:56
  play game, play FIFA or NFS, you know, and I watch the YouTube, I
• 1:25:05
  like to watch new things like OK, how to talk this, how to do
• 1:25:08
  that. Then I watched the news.
• 1:25:10
  I like anything that has to do with events.
• 1:25:13
  Maybe there's a war somewhere or there's something happening
• 1:25:16
  somewhere. I'd like to be up to date.
• 1:25:18
  And at the same time, I'm into ecommerce too, you know,
• 1:25:22
  ecommerce business and you know I build ecommerce stores, you.
• 1:25:28
  Know. So for young business
• 1:25:31
  entrepreneurs, you know, that's one of the other ways that we're
• 1:25:34
  trying to connect to black people.
• 1:25:38
  Even here in the UK you know they love black people doing
• 1:25:41
  excellent things bro. So.
• 1:25:44
  I tried to every. Time.
• 1:25:46
  That's why we can actually easily connect, you know, I have
• 1:25:50
  another friend like that, Dio. He's doing great stuff, so I
• 1:25:54
  like people that. Value Dial.
• 1:25:59
  Dial teach. OK, I did.
• 1:26:01
  That experience with the media, it's a diet so that people can
• 1:26:07
  love. Good things here which I
• 1:26:11
  appreciate. So what I do is for young
• 1:26:15
  business owners, I do help them to build ecommerce stores.
• 1:26:19
  You know, you know, you know the whole the old marketing world
• 1:26:27
  and the old ecommerce world has already changed.
• 1:26:30
  So a lot of people actually being able to set up their
• 1:26:33
  stores as young business owners and being able to market it as a
• 1:26:38
  story. You don't have to own a wide
• 1:26:40
  website. You can just, you know, have a
• 1:26:43
  place where you have your own store where you can actually
• 1:26:47
  market from to your promotions and the like.
• 1:26:52
  So it helps young, majorly black or African business owners to be
• 1:26:58
  able to reach out more and to increase their sales to.
• 1:27:02
  So these are other areas that actually spend my time on.
• 1:27:07
  So anytime I'm not working I'm either on the system trying to
• 1:27:11
  check although. Ways.
• 1:27:14
  Of getting things done or trying to help people get things done,
• 1:27:19
  or doing things for myself in terms of my ecommerce business
• 1:27:23
  too. So so.
• 1:27:24
  So. Majorly.
• 1:27:25
  That's it. So you get the.
• 1:27:28
  Picture of what I said you're. Quite.
• 1:27:31
  Resourceful. Yes, yes, I try.
• 1:27:33
  My best to actually get my hands on things because, you know, I
• 1:27:37
  realised that I've suffered enough on trying to get things
• 1:27:42
  done or trying to find people to help me to get some things done.
• 1:27:45
  So rather than just going through all those stress and at
• 1:27:49
  some point you know don't end up getting it done, why don't I
• 1:27:53
  just learn it myself if you DIY? Ideas yourself, yeah.
• 1:27:59
  Yeah, why? Bro, yeah.
• 1:28:01
  And you know, here. And again, yeah, it's it's.
• 1:28:06
  You. It's a very you must know how to
• 1:28:08
  do it. A lot of things yourself, or
• 1:28:10
  else absolutely. Your, your or your on your own?
• 1:28:15
  What's keep the brains? Open.
• 1:28:17
  Yes. So what skills are copied or
• 1:28:20
  competency, right? Are you proud of what the world
• 1:28:24
  you know is yet to know about? Like people really don't know
• 1:28:26
  about that? Then it's a skill or competence.
• 1:28:31
  My skill and. Competence that I I will.
• 1:28:33
  I will actually pick 4. OK, that.
• 1:28:36
  People don't know about people's secret.
• 1:28:39
  Secret. Right.
• 1:28:40
  OK, People don't know about? Yes, so.
• 1:28:43
  For. Example.
• 1:28:44
  So for example myself, right, I'm a great chef.
• 1:28:47
  I can shift it up, you know, like I have cooked for it like
• 1:28:52
  large numbers of people and they enjoy it.
• 1:28:54
  You know both Africans and non Africans, you know they enjoy my
• 1:28:59
  food right. And it's something that would be
• 1:29:01
  really proud of. He gets it, but not like not so
• 1:29:03
  many people know about that, but possibly open the restaurant,
• 1:29:07
  restaurants here and down down the line because I am like a
• 1:29:12
  very big external cooking African food.
• 1:29:16
  OK. Let me see.
• 1:29:20
  OK, I'm not gonna. Mention cooking because you
• 1:29:22
  already mentioned cooking. But I cook.
• 1:29:26
  Good too, though I cook very very good like.
• 1:29:29
  Yeah, but not as good as me, but not as good as me.
• 1:29:31
  So that's why you don't want to mention it.
• 1:29:35
  OK. I can say my relationship with
• 1:29:39
  people. OK, I have.
• 1:29:42
  A very, very, very sweet relationship with you.
• 1:29:45
  I wouldn't say cool. You know, I'm a kind of.
• 1:29:48
  A person that even if I have issues with you, I don't want to
• 1:29:53
  want to see you get hurt. So I'm that kind of person that
• 1:29:55
  will still look out for you. Even if I'm not.
• 1:30:00
  Texting you day by D and they're watching out for you.
• 1:30:07
  And if I've told you that, yeah, I got you.
• 1:30:10
  Even if you CI myself nothing, say I don't have you, OK?
• 1:30:17
  Interesting, I see if I say. Ohh.
• 1:30:19
  I'm I'm gonna call like ohh and you don't see my call that time.
• 1:30:23
  Don't think I'm not out there still trying to, you know do
• 1:30:27
  things in your favour. Yeah, your favour.
• 1:30:30
  So. Can you please, can you please
• 1:30:34
  say You Got Me and you got the King this podcast so that we
• 1:30:37
  have it on record? Nice.
• 1:30:40
  Nice. We will hold you up to it, you
• 1:30:45
  know. Listen, you listen to what He
• 1:30:48
  said. He's got the Kingdom's podcast.
• 1:30:49
  Yeah, they only talked about me is the.
• 1:30:52
  Only thing that puts me off is or if you maybe take me for
• 1:30:57
  granted or stuff, but I just believe that I believe
• 1:31:01
  something. You just have to treat people
• 1:31:03
  good because there's something times that you just realise
• 1:31:06
  that, OK? You might be.
• 1:31:10
  You might be uncool to me now, but everybody just has their
• 1:31:13
  own, you know, bad sides and all.
• 1:31:15
  And if I check myself, I just say that I have.
• 1:31:18
  So why not just, you know, turn it down a little bit and you
• 1:31:22
  know, on the lighter mode, you know, and I understand that some
• 1:31:24
  terrains don't. You can't.
• 1:31:28
  Be cool in some terrains. You know you.
• 1:31:33
  Aspire Ninja Boy you know when to switch up your Yeah ohh, I'm
• 1:31:39
  just talking about you know if I say yeah, I got you for you I do
• 1:31:45
  That's nice That's. Nice that that's that's a nice
• 1:31:47
  one. So, So what advice do you have
• 1:31:49
  for the younger generation? You know the up and coming young
• 1:31:53
  people, right? Based on your life experiences,
• 1:31:55
  So what advice you have for them in order for them to succeed in
• 1:31:58
  life? The first thing I would say is
• 1:32:03
  if anybody is lucky to have two parents or one parent at the
• 1:32:07
  point where they still have them, they should actually
• 1:32:10
  listen to some things they say. So that's just the first.
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  Thing just normal DVD stuff, you know normal things you pick up
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  like ohh don't you like that you like that, don't do like that
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  too like that. You understand.
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  So from that you can actually pick some things and to actually
• 1:32:25
  easily stick you know it's better than formal education
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  that they have to sit you down, put you on here.
• 1:32:30
  Then two again is the ability to actually be more resourceful at
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  the younger age. No.
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  Always push like there's something in the energy, the
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  energy level, because right now. If you notice that the.
• 1:32:47
  Internet has made us and the people who are in the age 15.
• 1:32:53
  We do watch the. Same thing at the same time.
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  We experience the same thing at the same time.
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  If they check that when they are saying the same thing, you're
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  seeing. Back in the days, it wasn't like
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  that. There were still places kids can
• 1:33:04
  go and places elderly people cannot take.
• 1:33:09
  Kids too so. Everything is running at a.
• 1:33:14
  Faster speed now so you know for every opportunity one has one
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  has to just make use of that opportunity or even if
• 1:33:23
  definitely you actually lose opportunities, definitely even
• 1:33:28
  the richest man in the world. You know dangerous gates first
• 1:33:31
  opportunity and made use of it. So the ability to actually pull
• 1:33:35
  up yourself again and not give up on life.
• 1:33:39
  And actually saying that ohh, I've made a mistake here, let me
• 1:33:43
  just not make the mistake again because either like it or not,
• 1:33:47
  they might could be another opportunity and from that you
• 1:33:49
  still have. To go to that.
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  Thing again, but if you don't learn from what you already.
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  The the mistakes. You already had, you know, you
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  still keep on making mistakes. So generally it's just to, you
• 1:34:03
  know, increase the energy, you know, just increase the energy
• 1:34:07
  and open the mind. Learn more about anything you
• 1:34:10
  know could be useful. So you know if.
• 1:34:14
  You want if you don't learn more, you can get stranded at
• 1:34:16
  some point in your life and not knowing where to move to.
• 1:34:19
  But if you you know. If you are more resourceful, you
• 1:34:22
  know you have options that you can quickly build on.
• 1:34:27
  Basically, no that's that's that's.
• 1:34:30
  Perspective. You know, I keep very much into
• 1:34:33
  the aspect of learning because for me, I feel like learning the
• 1:34:38
  learning ability, the learning culture is something that has
• 1:34:41
  been very pivotal to my own personal success in life.
• 1:34:44
  You know, I pride myself in not knowing everything, but then
• 1:34:48
  knowing how to get the knowledge to do anything that I want to
• 1:34:52
  get into. And it's actually very vital to
• 1:34:55
  be hungry for knowledge while we're growing up.
• 1:34:57
  These is not knowledge. Is power, right?
• 1:35:00
  Right. And then you know.
• 1:35:01
  But then I feel like no, it's just applied knowledge that is
• 1:35:04
  power applied it. Is.
• 1:35:06
  Applied knowledge that that these power so the previous
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  guess who is you know. An.
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  Entrepreneur in the music business industry, right, has
• 1:35:19
  left a question for Hugh that. Is my.
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  Right do. You want to hear?
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  The question he has for you all right.
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  Drug. Rules.
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  Yeah, hello. He says.
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  Where do you see the world heading to in the next five
• 1:35:38
  years? You know, generally like
• 1:35:40
  economically and politically. What is the?
• 1:35:44
  Trajectory. What is your projection of?
• 1:35:47
  You know where the world is heading to.
• 1:35:49
  In the next five years. I.
• 1:35:53
  Believe. There's a tussle of power in the
• 1:35:56
  political structure of the world right now, and there are some
• 1:35:59
  determinants that actually there are some things are actually
• 1:36:03
  going to be the determinant of what's going to happen.
• 1:36:06
  For instance, the war in Israel and the the the alignment and
• 1:36:13
  the allied forces that will be coming together to form treaties
• 1:36:17
  or to form laws. Now a lot of countries were not
• 1:36:20
  friends before, but this war has brought them together friends.
• 1:36:23
  And now it's actually some restructuring that happening in
• 1:36:28
  the perspective of people. That's in the political world
• 1:36:33
  though. So a whole lot of things are
• 1:36:35
  going to change both internally in individual countries and
• 1:36:40
  democratic elections. You know, new leaders will
• 1:36:43
  change and you know all of this. So now we should expect.
• 1:36:49
  It wouldn't be. Like something like Ohh, we'll
• 1:36:51
  just see everything. But we should just expect change
• 1:36:54
  and economically to we. We all know that you know power
• 1:36:57
  is shifting to so each. Year.
• 1:37:00
  And in terms of the economic world, you know every little
• 1:37:04
  thing I see on the street now made in China, made in China,
• 1:37:08
  you know even all this ecommerce stores, the whole lot of this
• 1:37:11
  factories they are in that side of the world.
• 1:37:14
  So I believe that with the 5G and the Internet now and the
• 1:37:22
  increased usage of the Internet, you know, a lot of new
• 1:37:27
  connectivity possibilities will actually emerge in terms of
• 1:37:31
  sales, in terms of, you know, new countries will actually new,
• 1:37:38
  new countries actually made in terms of stronger countries, but
• 1:37:41
  major countries to they are actually going through their own
• 1:37:43
  turmoils now, each country has their own economic issues now
• 1:37:47
  beat the strong order, the weak. So I believe that this moment
• 1:37:51
  the determinant of the whole of things that will see as a result
• 1:37:55
  in the next 10 years, because the whole lot is happening now
• 1:38:00
  in a single year than it used to happen before.
• 1:38:07
  Interesting dynamics. Interesting dynamics in at the
• 1:38:10
  global stage. Let's let's watch and see what
• 1:38:14
  unfolds. You know at the.
• 1:38:16
  Yeah, and. Finally, you know what question
• 1:38:19
  would you love to leave for the next guest to answer?
• 1:38:25
  OK. The question would.
• 1:38:28
  Be. And what what do you?
• 1:38:34
  Think is the real essence of life.
• 1:38:37
  What do you think was the real essence that made and that that
• 1:38:44
  that because the the creation of life was.
• 1:38:47
  If you want to actually think about it now, what's the main
• 1:38:50
  essence of life? The we these there.
• 1:38:54
  Have been any essence of life that we're just the creator just
• 1:39:00
  decided that OK, they they they have to leave and later decided,
• 1:39:04
  OK, now they have to die too. So they didn't just be leaving
• 1:39:06
  and be dying. What, from his own perspective,
• 1:39:09
  what does he think the essence of?
• 1:39:13
  The insights of. Our existence is.
• 1:39:17
  Creation or. Evolution.
• 1:39:20
  That's a tough. 1. For next best thing I do every
• 1:39:23
  the next guest anyways OK so basically every copy of question
• 1:39:27
  like what is the essence of? Life.
• 1:39:31
  Right. That is how the life come to be.
• 1:39:36
  Right is it? True creation?
• 1:39:38
  Is it true evolution? But I mean the view.
• 1:39:42
  I mean the real bottom line of the whole story.
• 1:39:45
  Say OK, we came to the world. What does he think it could be?
• 1:39:50
  Or how does it see? It's like, what?
• 1:39:52
  Does he actually make sense to him?
• 1:39:54
  OK, why are we even doing what we are doing?
• 1:39:57
  Wow, even coming to do other things.
• 1:39:59
  How does it see it? OK.
• 1:40:02
  OK, what's the essence of life like?
• 1:40:05
  What's like. Yeah, life.
• 1:40:09
  Like, why are we here? How do we even?
• 1:40:12
  George Ohh as he achieved his purpose in life or as it what is
• 1:40:16
  the what I just want him to say in from his own perspective in
• 1:40:21
  an open over. From an open, open-ended
• 1:40:24
  perspective perspective. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:27
  What's his appeal? Essence of life and what's the
• 1:40:30
  purpose of life right been so ah we'll get to that bridge across
• 1:40:37
  it so definitely you have to you will you will be the first
• 1:40:41
  person to get a video clip off the next guest as you like deep
• 1:40:49
  very deep question at this at this point I need to really
• 1:40:54
  really thank you for your time today.
• 1:40:58
  I'm very, very big on gratitude and appreciation, you know.
• 1:41:02
  Appreciate you very much, my brother.
• 1:41:04
  I wish for you greater heights, you know, bigger kids, you know,
• 1:41:08
  bigger blessings in your life. You.
• 1:41:13
  You will achieve you. Are a high achiever.
• 1:41:15
  But then you will become a higher achiever, right?
• 1:41:20
  Thank you very, very much. Thank you, brother.
• 1:41:22
  Appreciate it. Was nice having you having me on
• 1:41:25
  your show, bro. OK.
• 1:41:27
  OK. Take care, brother, OK?