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Is Modern Psychology Killing Men? | Maintaining Frame 82 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to the Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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  I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining frame is modern psychology killing men.
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  We're gonna be looking at a video from a well, it's a YouTube
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  channel called healthy gamer GG. Yes, is that for gamer Gate or is
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  she does he disavow? No, No, no, I don't. I
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  don't think it's gamer Gate. But yeah, I think that GG is like
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  it's a gamer talk for good game, you know, so I think that's
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  what it's what it's. Yeah, I guess we're long enough the way that
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  well home mean gamer Gate now, No, no, I mean it just
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  so happens that Gamergate spells g is, you know, is GG, which
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  is an older bit of lingo gamer lingo. It's a good game. You
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  know, usually say that when you beat somebody in some you know, competitive
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  match, you beat them, you say g G. You know. So
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  it's a little bit of a dunk. It's a little bit of a taunt,
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  I see, you know, so sort of like us having two doggos
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  today. Uh yeah, yeah, so we we have two dog O cams.
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  As you can see, we have Jojo and Ski Bio there and they're
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  both well. Skipio is still pretty awake. Jojo is sleeping because I just
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  took him for a long walk. I usually take him for a long walk
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  before I do a show if he's going to be with me. That way,
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  he's not up my ass, so he should be good and chill.
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  So yeah, well we we okay, this is what we do with Scipio.
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  He's he's perking up because he can hear his name. We take him
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  for a walk, then we take him up a hill, then we run
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  him up and down the hill, and then we take him for further walking,
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  and then we take him to the Badger Cave lot and then I run
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  him up and down hill, put him over hurdles and do frisbee for about
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  an hour and then he's at this state so alert, but you know,
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  not not too energized. That makes sense about the dog. They'ld probably be
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  completely knocked out, but he's he's not like other dogs. Yeah, okay,
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  so I might as well say why I wanted to do this. I
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  don't know if we're gonna listen to most of it because he does tend to
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  repeat himself. And again, we're not listening to this to condemn this guy,
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  because actually he makes a really good point that brought a lot of puzzle
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  pieces together in my head, like they just sort of fell in place and
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  the scales fell off, and I realized, after listening to what he had
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  to say, that modern psychology is actively killing men. You know, we
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  looked at I've looked at statistics that show that most men who commit suicide were
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  actually in contact with either social services or psychologists, or some kind of services
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  related to the establishment, I suppose the medical establishment and their experience of being
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  depressed and having suicidal urges or thoughts. And when I read that, I'm
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  like, well, I'm going to use this and I'm going to start pushing
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  back against all the psychologists and amateur armchair psychiatrists on Twitter who say, well,
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  the reason why men commit suicide is because they cannot be ursh to get
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  off their bots and help themselves, you know what I'm talking about, that
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  kind of attitude. And then when you find out no, actually, most
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  men who commit suicide were in contact with mental health services of some kind,
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  frontline services of some kind went on to commit suicide. And originally I was
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  like, well, I'm just going to use this to prove that men aren't
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  actually lazy. You know, they aren't committing suicide because you know, they're
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  like, ah, you know what I love. The claim was that men
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  don't want to be like open, you know, like have have feels,
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  and they just want to be cold, hard, you know, grapists and
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  violent offenders, and that's just the way men like being. You know,
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  like, so who go out in grape are the same people killing? Yeah,
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  of course, yeah, yep, that's one of them. But then
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  there's also the strain of thought that men, you know, that depressed men
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  they just wake up one day and they're like, you know, I could
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  avail myself of all of the services that will jump to just helping me,
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  pampering my ass, taking care of my issues, making me feel like a
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  decent, or I kill myself, but you know I'm too lazy. I'll
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  go kill myself. I mean literally, this is the narrative around men's mental
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  health, at least some of the ones that I've heard anyway. So I
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  was using that statistic to push back against that attitude that men and are not
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  neglecting themselves intentionally or they are not trying to do services, therefore it's their
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  fault that they commit suicide for some reason. And now, after having listened
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  to this particular video, I realized that the contact with the psychology psychological services
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  may have been what killed them. Yeah, And that didn't occur to me
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  that when I was first looking at that statistic. I just figured, oh,
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  well, I'll push back against the condemnation, against the constant drumbeat of
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  these so called psychologists and services constantly blaming men and saying, well, it's
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  your fault that you're not getting well, it's your fault that you're not availing
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  yourselves as services. It's your fault that you think therapy is gay or feminine
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  or doesn't serve you. It's your fault. It's your error. You've done
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  this to your your self. We're just going to roll you in the grave
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  flag that says he didn't do itself literally in every other possible way. By
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  the way, can you hear my dog barking? Oh yeah, we can
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  hear it. We can see it too. God, I've just rewarded him
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  for it. He knows that I have some treats on a plate beside me,
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  so he's probably gonna be like, I deserve those those are for me,
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  give them to me. Now, Oh damn it, he's gone to
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  the window. He might start barking again. I see it. Yeah.
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  Anyway, So the the upshot is I watched this video and he puts some
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  pieces together and made me realize that it's worse than I thought. I think
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  that men's contact with modern psychology might be killing them. And he could just
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  watch and I'll explain further. Okay, we'll take a look at the video.
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  Fortunately, Jojo can't hear him barking, although his eye is open,
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  but if he hears barking, he tends to bark back, so hopefully he
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  doesn't do that. All right, So let's uh, let's check out this
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  video. This is from Healthy gamer Gigi. You gotta save them for Oh
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  dude. Okay, so this is actually I'm glad because I almost I almost
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  posted in response to this. Okay, so this person is actually brilliant because
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  it is actually there's good scientific evidence that this is part of the problem.
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  So every mental health professional I've ever talked to has been like, you have
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  a lot of self awareness men, and I'm like, yes, I actually
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  think that is part of the problem. Absolutely true. So this is can
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  I can I just Harvard Andy here for a second. Yeah, hey,
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  I'm just pausing there for the banana. You know, I would like to
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  know what Phil Mitchell thinks about this. I don't know if he's uh,
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  because you know, he is trying to give men mental health services that are
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  not feminist, because I think that is ultimately the problem is that there's you
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  know, it's like it comes at men from this perspective, this academic feminist
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  perspective, and I think most people go into therapy or psychology, they don't.
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  They don't do that knowing that this is what's going to happen because they're
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  just taught this. They're like, oh, yeah, this is how you're
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  supposed to treat men. I mean, the APA guidelines you know, are
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  this way for a reason. So i'd be curious to know what Phil Mitchell,
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  if you're watching or if you see this ano that we were you had,
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  we had you on not that long ago, what do you think about
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  this? So anyway I'll place I could probably ask him directly, but I
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  did want to point out that the APA guidelines essentially blame men's mental health problems
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  on their identification with traditional masculinity, and all of this is very nebulous.
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  It's really hard to get any aspect of feminism nailed down. It's like nailing
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  down jello, which incidentally indicates that it is no form of science whatsoever,
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  because there's no scientif and there's no science except for feminist science that somebody would
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  be would would present whatever knowledge that they want to present. And when somebody
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  says, well, what exactly are you saying, they say, well,
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  it's a spectrum multiple. I don't want to be held down to anything in
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  particular. Well then you're not doing science, are you. But anyway,
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  so it's like nailing jello. But as far as I can tell, what
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  they mean by traditional masculinity is any positive trait that you grant men in masculinity
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  that you do not also grant feminine women in femininity. So if you take
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  any trait and you say this trait men express more and it's positive, then
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  that is and you identify with that, that's traditional masculinity. And identifying with
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  anything positive to do with masculinity apparently causes men's mental health issues. Don't ask
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  me how that works. And no, when you read this stuff, it's
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  not any more clear than that. So identifying as a man creates mental health
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  issues because dealing with your emotions is seen as feminine, and your desire to
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  identify as a man is your desire to not be a woman. And your
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  desire to not be a woman means that you don't avail yourself of all of
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  the skills that women have to process their emotions. And that's why your mental
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  health sucks, because your hate women and you're femophobic, and so it all
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  circles back to the man is to blame. His desire to identify as a
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  man is to blame. If he let go of that desire to identify as
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  a man, he'd be able to access his girl cells or you know,
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  like Asler, the girl sell his feminine sensitivity to his emotions, and then
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  he would somehow be able to solve the problems that he has and he would
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  be good. So therefore, men's inability to manage their depressed symptoms and their
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  suicidal ideation is due to their adherence to their masculine identity. And I honestly
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  think the way that I'm putting this out actually makes this make more sense than
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  it does when they present it. When they present it, it's just like
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  this fuzzy ball of man. You're wrong, yeah, you know, yeah,
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  but now I think the logical progression is that your desire to identify as
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  a man means you don't want to identify with a woman, which means you
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  lock yourself off from all of those wonderful feminine goodinesses that make them stronger and
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  more resilient when it comes to mental health issues. So men do better,
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  be better stop harming women. Yep, all right, yes, the point
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  okay. So we have this part of our brain called the default mode network,
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  okay, and the default mode network is the part of our brain that
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  gives us the capacity for self awareness. So if we look at like animal
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  and humans, the biggest difference between animals and humans most and animals and humans
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  anyway, is the is the default mode network. So like animals, you
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  know, like let's say, like you take a deer or something like,
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  a deer will go about its day and then it won't think about itself going
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  about its day. But human beings have this capacity of self reflection, and
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  so that capacity for self reflection is this thing called the default mode network.
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  So what I can do is, you know, look at my like,
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  look at the actions that I take, and kind of reflect on my sense
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  of self within these actions. Let me just think about how to explain that
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  better so you can pause here. Yeah. Sure. So the way to
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  essentially explain it is you take an external circumstance that you're experiencing and you figure
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  out how you are to blame for it. I'm saying yes, So you
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  look at internal factors or an internal external circumstance, right, so, And
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  and you can look at this as almost like a heroic imperative. So the
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  tsunami is coming. You don't look at this as you don't become helpless.
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  You look at Okay, what can I do? Can I put it up?
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  What? What? What should I do? Even? What should I
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  do? You know? So? But but you know, but it requires
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  looking at yourself in terms of what you're capable of and ultimately making yourself the
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  arbiter of what happens. Does that Does that make sense? Hyah? Right?
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  Let's let's hear how he explains it, because he uses more of a
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  concrete explanation, which I think might might actually be more beneficial than my you
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  know, more abstract Yeah. Sure, okay, let's let's play some more.
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  some more. Yeah, Sure, deer looks around for food in ten
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  places and doesn't find food. The deer doesn't start to feel like an idiot
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  because it hasn't been able to find food, and it's like, oh for
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  ten. But if we think about human beings, if I ask ten girls
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  out and then they say no, like as a human being, I start
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  to think about myself in that way, and then I say, oh my
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  god, I'm such an idiot. So human beings have this this and if
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  you really think about it, it's actually like quite profound and it's an amazing
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  capability that our brain has. Yes, we are self aware, just like
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  like you said, you know, if you are an animal trying to get
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  food, you're not beating yourself up if you don't succeed. But if you're
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  a human and you're failing at something, you start thinking you're the problem.
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  Yeah, it's it's an interesting concept. It's a lot deeper than even than
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  what I think he's presenting. Yeah, prepared to go down the rabbit hole
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  with Allison. All Right. So this aspect of this recursive self awareness allows
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  us to exploit resources in ways that other animals can't because we step back and
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  we say, well, what are we what am I doing wrong? What
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  can I do differently? And we readjust how we do things. That's when
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  it's healthy, like we take responsibility for this external circumstance. We don't just
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  continue on doing the same thing. We think about how we can do it
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  differently. And that requires sort of a conception of self and it requires the
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  ability to step out of ourselves and say well, we've done it this way,
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  let's see if we can do it a different way, sort of like
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  an imagination. And I think that this might be the source of humanity's ability
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  to exploit all kinds of resources, Like this is one of our we're a
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  super species or a super predator because we can go to a place and we
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  can figure out how to get them, you know, gather the muscles that
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  are out there, that are in the tidal pools, how to crack them
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  open, how to you know, snare an antelope, how to break open
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  a rock. And it's because we can have this recursive learning by being aware
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  of ourselves and saying, well, I need change my approach, but you
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  need to be able to There has to be a or an I before you
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  can do that. Did that make sense or if I'm making this more confusing?
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  No? No, no? Yeah, okay, all right, So
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  it's base. I think it's a source of you know, a lot of
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  our power as people. How and but then there's a drawback, which which
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  she gets into in just a moment. So let's continue, all right,
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  Let's continue where we can do like meta level thinking about ourselves as we move
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  about in the world. That is done by the default mode network, so
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  it's essentially our capacity for self awareness. Now, the interesting thing is that
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  once we have the default mode network, we also, evolutionarily speaking by ourselves
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  the possibility of depression. And what we find is that people who are depressed
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  have overly active default mode networks. Okay, mmmmm, yep. Can you
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  know where that you're starting the sense where this is going? Huh, yes,
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  yes, you have overly active You have this overly active thing that you're
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  doing where you're constantly identifying yourself as the source of your problems, so you
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  cannot say, no, this is something outside of my control. You're constantly
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  looking at yourself and in constantly identifying yourself as a source of your problems,
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  you're also sabotaging your ability to do anything about them, which and the reason
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  why that is is because I am the source of my problems. Well,
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  how do I solve that if I am the source of my problems? Like,
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  I'm not just in a slump, I'm not just having problems, I'm
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  not having difficulties. I'm not needing you know, an action plan that starts
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  with the next next reasonable action, like the next available action, which is
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  which is actually a legitimate technique that I highly recommend. If you're ever stumped
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  with a task that you need to get done, look at your task and
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  figure out the next available action. And what that means is the next action
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  that you can take without any intervening action. So, for example, if
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  you want to write a letter and you need a pen, your next action
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  is to get in the car so that you can go to the drug store
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  to get the pen to write your letter. So it has to be the
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  next action that you can take right now with no intervening steps. And I
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  found that this was really helpful with things that are stumped. There was an
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  individual in the Patron Discord which I got him to do this because he was
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  having trouble hanging his pictures. He had a bunch of pictures just laying in
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  his living room for years that he had never hung. They were gifts,
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  and he was berating himself because, yeah, I'm so lazy, I've never
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  gotten to hanging these pictures. And he was a Peterson fan, and he
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  was like, I can't get my room cleaning, And I'm like, well,
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  why don't you think about your next immediate step, just your next like
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  available, next available step, And that, and then you know, a
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  couple weeks or months later, I followed up with him and he's like,
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  yeah, I hung the pictures and then I discovered that I hate them.
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  No, that's so freaking funny because the other thing is that sometimes we have
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  aversions to things emotionally and that's why we're not doing them. But these are
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  the things that are inaccessible when you're constantly saying, well, I am the
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  problem. Well no, maybe the way that you're approaching the problem is the
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  problem, not you in particular, or maybe you have an emotional aversion to
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  something that you want you to do that you haven't addressed. So if you're
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  constantly identifying as yourself as the source of the problem, it's like you're hamstringing
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  yourself to solving it. I'm going to try this again if I need to.
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  I think you understand what I'm saying there, Brian. Yeah. But
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  it's like you get into this recursive loop. You know, I've been rejected
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  by ten girls. Instead of saying well, maybe I need to try this,
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  which would be the setting of the default node let network, you get
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  into this idea that no, you're the problem and there's nothing that you can
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  do. About it because you are the problem. Like you're starting from the
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  problem. How do you solve the problem when you're starting from the problem,
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  when you're entirely are the problem, see what I'm getting at? Yeah?
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  Yeah, Well, and on top of that, we do tell men that
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  if they are failing, then maybe they are the problem. Right, Yeah,
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  So like why wouldn't they conclude that instead of like looking at you know,
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  like like you said, you know, well, yeah, that's pretty
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  much the entirety of feminist thought. Men are the problem, Yes, the
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  problem? Did you know? Men are the problem? Yeah? Like what
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  else is there in feminist theory except men or the problem? But so there
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  you go. Anyway, you want to watch a little bit more, Yeah,
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  let's watch some more. Yeah, okay, so let's think about this
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  for a second. Okay, So, like I asked ten girls, ask
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  two girls out, default mode network is not active. It's just they said
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  no. Okay, both of them said they had boyfriends. No big deal,
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  I'm not thinking about myself in that way. I ask ten girls out.
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  They all say no. Now this default mode network activates and it's like,
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  hey, man, like maybe you're ugly or something like that. Right,
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  It starts like thinking negative thoughts about you. And it's sort of this
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  meta level problem solving thing where it's like looking at you as a person and
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  saying, can we change something about ourselves to increase our overall chances of success?
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  How about this, You as a man, are a failure as a
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  partner. You're a failure as a lover. You don't really want a companion,
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  You just want a domestic slave who you can you know, screw you
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  know you are undesirable. You have all of these problems, and if you
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  approach a woman in the wrong way, you will horribly scar her. Yeah,
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  and you're also in danger. You're putting yourself at risk. How is
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  that for activating the default node network, especially in terms of approaching women.
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  I mean, it's it's extreme. It would be extremely different, difficult for
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  any conscientious man. I'm going to just let aside that the guys who are
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  also risk adverse, which does not make them bad men. You know,
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  that's there's still less risk averse from women. So they are men who are
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  risk adverse, they are not women, because it's just it's just different.
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  They manifest different. But what I've noticed is that risk averse men tend to
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  be more risk averse when it comes to potential harm to others and their potential
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  to harm others, and women tend to be more risk adverse in terms of
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  everything comes back to how it affects me, right, do you get Yes?
• 24:49
  No, absolutely, aste, I was gonna mention women, So they
• 24:53
  manifest risk aversion in different ways in my experience. But regardless, let's set
• 24:59
  aside risk of first men who would probably respond more to either the threats to
• 25:03
  themselves or the potential of harming a woman, which everybody like trumpets like you're
• 25:10
  going to totally traumatize a woman if you don't approach her exactly right, you
• 25:15
  know, with the right, with the nano second precision. Anyway, let's
• 25:22
  set that aside. Let's just look at conscientious men. Conscientious men that are
• 25:26
  going to be extremely focused on themselves as failing in this whole process, and
• 25:33
  they're going to be focused on, well, am I giving this woman anything?
• 25:37
  When I'm told that I am a poor lover as a man, that
• 25:41
  I am a poor partner as a man, a poor choice as a husband,
• 25:45
  that I'm going to be a drain on her? Like what am I?
• 25:48
  What right do I have to approach a woman when I am so worthless
• 25:56
  as per the conversation of everyone, like the big pulpits around us, big
• 26:03
  pulpits with their large reach and their high volume messaging around us. Yeah,
• 26:10
  yeah, okay, I guess this could have been a dating too, could
• 26:15
  have been, but I mean no, I think this is better as a
• 26:18
  frame. Yeah. Do you want to get into this more or is this
• 26:22
  like the main point you wanted to make with it? How much? How
• 26:26
  far are we in about three minutes? It's an eight minute video. We
• 26:30
  don't need to do the full eight minutes because I think he just more repeats
• 26:33
  himself. The idea is that the default node network identifies yourself as a source
• 26:41
  of potential error. Yeah, and that enables you to be able to change
• 26:45
  your behavior. Yes, But and it's more I would say self destructive forms.
• 26:56
  It over identifies you as the problem. So you got these men And
• 27:00
  this is this is where I'm good. This is where it all ties in.
• 27:03
  We don't have to do a really long show. I do hope somebody
• 27:07
  sends in a super chow at feedbattery dot com slash just the tip, because
• 27:11
  I hope this is helpful. You should see the link down below on the
• 27:14
  bottom of the screen scrolling across there's like our feed the badger dot com fort
• 27:18
  slash, just the tip to make sure you don't tell us really true to
• 27:22
  the void remembering and that this might be helpful. But the way that it
• 27:26
  comes what I originally said came in that maybe what's happening with suicidal men is
• 27:32
  their contact with the psychology industry is what's killing them is because what do psychologists
• 27:41
  do when or what does the American Psychology Association say to men who are suggest
• 27:48
  as guidelines to treating men who hired to have depression. It's to identify their
• 27:56
  adherence to traditional masculinity as call for their problem. So you take a guy
• 28:03
  who's suicidally depressed because he's over identifying himself as the source of the problem,
• 28:10
  and what do you say to him, Oh, you haven't identified yourself enough
• 28:14
  as a source of a problem. And also you're not just a source of
• 28:17
  the problem for yourself, you're also a source of the problem for women.
• 28:21
  Have you considered that? And I don't know, Like it may not be
• 28:26
  that overt, it may be more subtle. Their approach to dealing with men
• 28:30
  in this particular form of crisis maybe more subtle than that, but if that's
• 28:34
  what's informing them, you really have to ask, Okay, are you the
• 28:41
  ones killing men? Are you the ones? You know? These guys coming
• 28:47
  to them, they're like, I got arsenic poisoning doctor, Well here,
• 28:49
  i'll prescribe you more arsenic. Take it until you can't you don't feel anything
• 28:55
  anymore. There you go, Henry, That's good, You're dead. That's
• 29:00
  exactly what we wanted. Like at what point? I mean, they must
• 29:04
  be aware of these kinds of findings, like the default node network, the
• 29:08
  fact that depression is associated with it over activating, and what's their advice while
• 29:15
  it's not active enough among men? Am I right? Male privilege, men
• 29:19
  evating responsibility. Let's activate it harder and then these guys go off and kill
• 29:26
  themselves and this like this is actually when I saw this, I'm like,
• 29:33
  this is sickening. And I appreciate this guy for putting this out so succinctly.
• 29:37
  I'm not saying he's part of this at all. I've watched his other
• 29:41
  material on men's mental health, and I think I can't speak to his ideological
• 29:45
  focus, but he at least on practical terms, I think he's got some
• 29:49
  good stuff for men who are dealing with mental health issues as far as I
• 29:52
  can tell, you know, But this made the pieces fall into place in
• 29:59
  my mind. The Association, the American Psychological Association, is either killing men
• 30:11
  intentionally or it's killing them through gross negligence. Because it is killing men,
• 30:21
  it is, Yeah, and that's unbelievable. I mean, it almost doesn't
• 30:26
  really matter whether it's intentional or not. But on some level, there's you
• 30:32
  know, malpractice going on. There's some kind of education of these men,
• 30:37
  the of the whether it's the people educating or the education of the psychologists,
• 30:42
  of the therapist, or if it's the therapists themselves. And I think,
• 30:47
  well, I mean, I think that's bad enough. I think it needs
• 30:51
  to be like completely stripped down and start. I mean, it's good to
• 30:56
  know that there are people trying to help men without that system, outside of
• 31:03
  that system. So there is that. I mean, there is Phil Mitchell,
• 31:08
  there is the x Y Crew. There is well hopefully justin Trotier,
• 31:14
  you know, and his people are doing stuff. I think prim is trying
• 31:18
  to do something stuff. So there are people. But there are people,
• 31:22
  John doctor John Barry, you know, you know, there are people in
• 31:26
  the psychology. But yeah, but it's terrible, like the setup. This
• 31:33
  is why the men don't like. This is why men don't like shrinks.
• 31:36
  They don't trust them, and they shouldn't. To be honest, I'm afraid,
• 31:41
  and I know people have given us ship for saying this, but uncovering
• 31:48
  this or having this fall into place, Yes, it's like the psychology industry
• 31:56
  as it stands is a dangerous for men to take their problems. If it's
• 32:04
  going to take men who are their their default node network is overactivated and activate
• 32:12
  it more, then, yeah, they have no answers. All they have
• 32:17
  is basically Canadian health care for men. Have you considered killing yourself? Oh,
• 32:23
  that seems solve all your problems? Huh? And also women's and trans
• 32:29
  peoples and they and the aboriginals, they all would benefit by you killing yourself.
• 32:36
  And I know I'm not saying that, they say it overtly. In
• 32:37
  fact, when I confront feminist psychologists on Twitter or they at least they call
• 32:45
  themselves that they're they're practicing, it's terrifying. And I say, Okay,
• 32:50
  so you've got a guy who's suicidal, how do you help him? Do
• 32:54
  you tell him how he is complicit in his mental health troubles because he wants
• 33:01
  to identify as a man out of contempt for women, And because he does
• 33:06
  that, he doesn't get to access women's ways of knowing that would would help
• 33:09
  him overcome his mental health crisis. Do you tell him stuff like that?
• 33:15
  Do you encourage him to recognize how he is complicit in a system of violence
• 33:21
  against women? I mean, do you tell him crapt like that? And
• 33:23
  usually they don't answer because the answer is so horrific, horrifically wrong that they
• 33:30
  won't admit to it, even though they'll handwave no, yeah, yeah.
• 33:35
  We need to we need to have feminist psychology for men. We need to
• 33:38
  use vulnerable men to encourage them to embrace feminist understanding of reality and their complicity
• 33:45
  and blah blah blah. And when you say, well, would you say
• 33:49
  that to a guy who's an immediate risk risk of suicidal being suicidal? They
• 33:52
  immediately back off because they can see how horrific it is, how it is
• 33:57
  an active abuse of some in authority against a vulnerable person. So they back
• 34:02
  away, And yet they still want to sneak it in there. They just
• 34:07
  want to do it while you're not looking. It's it's really despicable, and
• 34:16
  it's it's amazing to me that we have an entire mental health industry. And
• 34:22
  like you said, there are people in here who are genuine certainly they want
• 34:27
  to help men, certainly, but the industry itself is saturated in a conjecture,
• 34:35
  an unscientific conjecture about reality that actively harms men. And this is the
• 34:42
  this is the mental health industry, and it's constructed this this framework that actively
• 34:49
  harms men, refuses to take responsibility for it or change it. And yet
• 34:54
  we live in a patriarchy that puts men's needs ahead of women's. Oh yeah,
• 35:00
  well, I guess men can be first in line for the suicide booth.
• 35:07
  Okay, this is pretty much all I wanted to say. Guys,
• 35:13
  I did get a superchow. Oh cool, that's all. Yeah, yeah,
• 35:16
  so thanks for the superchow. So Nova fan gives us five bucks and
• 35:22
  says, there's a video on a channel called We the Internet TV that does
• 35:25
  a comedy skit based on what you're describing with therapy called social Justice for your
• 35:31
  therapist. What's scary is it's actually real. Then we got another superchow.
• 35:39
  Superchow from Ash Asthrun, who gives us five bucks. Thank you. Asthron
• 35:45
  and says visited a psychologist twice many sessions. I felt like I was just
• 35:50
  a declaration for income. They didn't want to help me. And most of
• 35:53
  all, men can't be a victim. If they are, then it's their
• 35:57
  own fault. It's a pity because I still think there's value in psychology,
• 36:00
  but right now I'm doing a more pragmatic approach. Well that's good, you
• 36:06
  know it. You know, I'm a nerd. But it reminded me of
• 36:09
  like the Joker movie. And it's one of the things about it that no
• 36:14
  one talked about, which is the Joker movie. The main character is,
• 36:19
  you know, he's trying to get support from you know, these social workers
• 36:24
  and mental health people and he's got like medication to regulate him, and they're
• 36:30
  treating him like shit and he ends up like snapping. Basically, he ends
• 36:36
  up like that's where the film, you know, goes off the rails because
• 36:39
  he is not being supported by this you know, system that's supposed to support
• 36:44
  him. And what's why I'm bringing this up is because the reaction from the
• 36:47
  media and like, you know and critics and stuff at the time was essentially
• 36:54
  a boohoo poor man story, right, white male rage. You remember that,
• 36:59
  And so it's like they don't even they they even when they're And the
• 37:02
  guy who made it, he wasn't exactly trying, you know, he's not
• 37:06
  an MRA. He wasn't he wasn't trying to advocate. He was just telling
• 37:08
  a story. But the reaction was so hostile, you know, to it
• 37:15
  that it's like, uh, yeah, you guys, don't you really don't
• 37:17
  see what you're what you're doing, right, you don't see how much I
• 37:22
  mean, honestly, I don't know what else to call it except like either
• 37:23
  disdain or hatred towards like men who are struggling. You know, yes,
• 37:30
  contempt, And it's no different than we've ever like, we've always had contempt
• 37:35
  for cowards. We've always had contempt for men who had needs. We've always
• 37:37
  treated them appallingly. I know that throughout history there have been times and places
• 37:44
  where protections were given to widows and orphans and women who were destitute. I
• 37:51
  rarely see times and places where the same consideration is given to men. Yeah,
• 37:59
  we live in a patriarchy. Historically, we live in a patriarchy because
• 38:05
  women were literally chattel. God damn, I fricking hate that. No.
• 38:09
  Women were never property, not for being women. They could be property if
• 38:15
  they were if a family felled on hard times and they had to do something
• 38:20
  with their kids or they starved, or they might be property because they had
• 38:23
  to sell themselves into bondage, or they might be property because they lost a
• 38:27
  war. But they were not property because they were women, full stop,
• 38:32
  period the end. Shut up about that. It's just not something that happened.
• 38:38
  I'm particularly aggrieved because I have a feminist in my mentions who who's constantly
• 38:45
  on women being property right now, and yet I'm like, well, I'm
• 38:52
  sorry, but the only times that women lacked the ability to make these kinds
• 38:57
  of contracts and make money and all this is when men had the alligations to
• 39:00
  do it for them. That's the way it works. Women only have freedom
• 39:05
  to do things if men are not obligated to do them for them, and
• 39:09
  often when men are obligated to do them for them anyway. So it's like,
• 39:15
  if you don't look at them obligations that men are given and the responsibilities
• 39:17
  that men are given, you have a really lopsided view. And she and
• 39:23
  is this individual brought up slavery? I'm like, where in history has the
• 39:28
  slave owner been obligated to labor for the slave? Where has that happened?
• 39:38
  Let's just bring it down to brass TCKs. Where has the labor obligation ever
• 39:44
  gone the other way with slavery. The situation for women was not slavery.
• 39:50
  They were not bought and sold and they were their labor was not obligated to
• 39:54
  their husband in the same way that his labor was obligated to her. Okay,
• 40:00
  I'm sorry, I'm on a bit of a tangent, but it's infuriating
• 40:01
  because it's it's another way to tell men that they are the problem. And
• 40:07
  obviously we can see from what the what healthy gamer has said, being told
• 40:10
  that you are the problem can kill you. Like the messaging that feminists have
• 40:16
  been drenching men in for generations now is killing them. Yep, all right,
• 40:27
  can we do more of this or do you want to do the other
• 40:29
  one? Or what do you want? We got a couple of superchows.
• 40:32
  Let's let's talk about the superchows. I mean, I don't I wanted to
• 40:36
  just do something a little shorter. Yeah, I already read them. We're
• 40:39
  always complaining. They're like, oh, it's so long. Oh wait,
• 40:42
  no wait, did I read this one? No, I read that one
• 40:45
  already. Yeah, I read them both. You read them both, okay,
• 40:49
  yeah, I read them both. Yeah, okay. And I don't
• 40:52
  think there's anything else. I'll look at Rumble nothing there but shout out to
• 40:55
  the Rumble Gang. Some emojis in the chat, so we know that you're
• 41:00
  there and you're hanging out with us. I mean, I suppose look at
• 41:02
  the second one. We could look at the second one. Yeah, yeah,
• 41:06
  if you if you like. I mean, because it's basically all we'd
• 41:08
  be doing is saying yep, yep, that makes sense. That's not well,
• 41:12
  yeah, of course, I mean that's yeah, because it does.
• 41:15
  I mean, when the when the videos are generally agreeable, there's less to
• 41:19
  say about it. But but I think it's good to see. That's what
• 41:22
  I'm saying. Like, you know, I'm glad that this is being talked
• 41:27
  about. I mean, I think if it weren't for the Internet, like
• 41:30
  we just continue to careem towards where the hell we're going, you know,
• 41:35
  at least now with the Internet being somewhat I don't know, available to people
• 41:42
  that are looking for it. There's some hope and I think that like you
• 41:45
  know, people like like this will save lives. Some people mention Tom Golden,
• 41:52
  he's another good guy that works with men, and Tim Golditch. Although
• 41:55
  I'm not a big fan of the bongos in the forest, but but if
• 41:59
  it worked from And also there are those those sheds in Australia and I think
• 42:05
  they're in the US as well, so there's lots of I mean, it's
• 42:08
  obviously still a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of people working in the industry,
• 42:15
  but at least there are people in there and they know what the issues
• 42:16
  are and they know what men need and they're trying to get out there.
• 42:21
  So I'm just saying, if you know someone who's going through something, you
• 42:24
  know, yeah, maybe point them in in in that direction. And the
• 42:30
  other thing is that I mean, this is some of the work that I
• 42:32
  do, and I know that we're just sort of uh, basically group counseling
• 42:39
  or basically just talk I talk to guys on the discord. Well, the
• 42:43
  community worked for me. It's community counseling sort of things, which I think
• 42:46
  is actually more helpful because it's not isolating, you know, it's just sort
• 42:52
  of a function of your daily you know, every day having fun and being
• 42:55
  part of a community. You know, just pop in if you have some
• 43:00
  troubles and just talk about them without being isolated in a box talking to somebody
• 43:06
  with giant spectacles. It's just like, oh, tell me, my specimen,
• 43:10
  tell me, tell me what's going on with you, specimen. You
• 43:14
  know that kind of thing. But yeah, so that like, I think
• 43:19
  that this idea that he's presenting gives a good framework for maybe starting to excavate
• 43:27
  yourself from the thinking around depression, like identifying yourself as a problem over and
• 43:31
  over again. And one of the things that I've done is that when the
• 43:37
  men that I talk to get in these kinds of negative health spire or negative
• 43:40
  thought spirals, I get them to do what I call like a gratitude or
• 43:46
  a positive journal. And what it is is simply writing down the things that
• 43:52
  you've accomplished. And it's not like affirmations. It's not like I'm a good
• 43:58
  guy, because nobody believes that crap. It doesn't anything. But if you
• 44:00
  make it a very practical thing, like I clean the bathroom and then you
• 44:07
  go back and you say, I clean the bathroom. Nope, I did
• 44:09
  that. I'm not going to say well, I should have done it last
• 44:12
  week, or I didn't complete you know this, I didn't do a deep
• 44:15
  scrub with a tub or whatever. If you just hold that thought that you
• 44:21
  made a positive change, it's like Jordan Peterson's clean your room right what can
• 44:25
  you do right now? But not just what can you do right now?
• 44:29
  Make an effort to acknowledge that you've done it, and that starts to get
• 44:34
  you out of that. I'm the problem, even if it's a small thing
• 44:38
  gets you out of that. I'm the problem when you recognize the things you
• 44:42
  have that you have done, and then the other thing is that recognizing things
• 44:45
  that other people do for you. I find this really powerful technique too,
• 44:50
  because it gets you out of that feeling like you're isolated and that you're alone
• 44:54
  and that people don't care about you and people don't value you. That may
• 44:59
  be more of a thing. I don't know, but I think it's I
• 45:00
  think I think it's I think I've seen it help others too. Certainly has
• 45:05
  helped me get over a lot of stuff. But anyway, let's let's watch
• 45:07
  this other all right. Play a little bit of this. Hey, y'all.
• 45:12
  Today we're going to talk about why therapy sucks for men. And that
• 45:15
  may sound kind of confusing because here I am a man. Here I am
• 45:19
  a psychiatrist doing psychotherapy with men. So what on earth am I talking about?
• 45:23
  Why do I think therapy sucks for men? In my experience as a
• 45:31
  psychiatrist, I do actually believe Allison, why are you in the live show
• 45:36
  chat in Discord? You should hang up because it's gonna mess with your settings?
• 45:43
  Uh uh? Accidentally, yeah, did you mean to join the live
• 45:50
  show chat? Because if you're in the live show chat and Discord and you're
• 45:54
  in this medio ninja browser, this is where like the audio and video problems
• 46:00
  happened, because you're in two things at once. Could hang up in that?
• 46:05
  Okay, Okay, all right, just I just don't want like an
• 46:07
  implosion. World's colliding. Okay, I'm gonna play more of the video.
• 46:12
  Now. Look that there's systemic bias, is can't make it hard for men
• 46:15
  to engage in therapy. And today we're going to talk a little bit about
• 46:19
  what those systemic factors are, how we can understand them. Isn't how to
• 46:23
  overcome some of those factors and move towards more emotional health if you're ready to
• 46:29
  take the next step on your Well, I'm a little bit worried, now
• 46:34
  what. I'm a little bit concerned because he said systemic and that sounds okay,
• 46:39
  Well, let's let's find out. I'm just gonna he's talking about systemic
• 46:44
  biases against men and mental health. Does he know that? Did you watch
• 46:47
  this video? Yeah, I've watched it. I've watched it about like eight
• 46:51
  minutes in and I think that was the final thing that you Okay, okay,
• 46:53
  good, good, good. I was a little worried. But he's
• 46:58
  he's he's talking about bias against men. I don't think he ever specifically identifies
• 47:02
  feminism, but let's press it. Well, yeah, of course, the
• 47:07
  entire corpus of feminism as men are to blame, and one of the big
• 47:10
  problems depressed men have is blaming themselves. It doesn't take a genius to put
• 47:15
  two and two together. There, Okay, okay, Bill, illness comes
• 47:22
  from. So what we really need to understand is that the majority of patients
• 47:27
  in the history of psychotherapy have been women. About sixty to seventy percent of
• 47:31
  patients today who engage in psychotherapy or women. The other thing is that about
• 47:36
  sixty seventy percent of therapists today are actually women. So I think what happened
• 47:40
  early on in psychiatry or psychotherapy is that the majority of people we were helping
• 47:45
  were women. And so when me as a doctor, when I look at
• 47:49
  ten of my patients and I see, okay, so it looks like talking
• 47:52
  to people about their feelings, on average is the most successful thing that I
• 47:57
  can do. Okay, I got a super chow So I'm gonna put it
• 48:02
  up on screen here, and it's from Richard Beierre gives us five dollars and
• 48:07
  says how many of these feminist psychologists would have extreme difficulty in not flicking the
• 48:13
  bean while listening to men in distress. Do they do it in person counseling
• 48:17
  or is it only phone calls or zoom? You should be able to close
• 48:21
  out the chat without disconnecting the call. MM, it's already dealt with.
• 48:27
  Yeah, we fixated. I think that was like, yeah, that is
• 48:30
  a that is a question, Like I'm still surprised that what is it Lauren?
• 48:36
  No, not Lauren, the one who goes into chat rooms with young
• 48:40
  underage boys and pretends to be one. Laura Bates, Laura Bates. Yeah,
• 48:45
  she just is like is like wait wait wait wait wait, back up
• 48:49
  there. You you pretend to be an underage boy in chat rooms for underage
• 48:54
  boys. But do you think that's a little bit inappropriate as a middle aged
• 48:59
  woman? No, nobody ever, ever, just nobody ever questions the so
• 49:05
  called purity of her intent exposing young men like minors to salacious content and her
• 49:14
  own vapid fantasies, which I'm I'm based on just how breathlessly she talks about
• 49:20
  them. I'm pretty sure she's doing exactly what Richard said. Sometimes sometimes maybe
• 49:24
  while she's in those forums with underage boys. You know, it's in the
• 49:30
  name or baits all right, my god? Okay, so I hey,
• 49:53
  guys, do you like the Skipio cam? Send us send a super chow
• 49:58
  for Scipio if you like him. There you go, So I maybe I'll
• 50:02
  do this again, although it's a little bit more. You could send one
• 50:06
  for Jojo either way. Oh, JoJo's been very good. He's been laying
• 50:13
  there right Jojo? I put, I put, I don't know if did
• 50:15
  you have Scipio back on? Is he is he on? Yeah? He's
• 50:19
  on your he's laying on the floor, right, Yeah, he's a lying
• 50:22
  on the floor. Yeah, you moved the camera? Did I moved?
• 50:24
  Because because you were just getting cats for a while? Yeah, I know
• 50:29
  I saw that, just just cats, curious cats walking over the bed and
• 50:34
  looking at the camera. We're not going to make this into a competition,
• 50:39
  So fine, the super chow for both. Yeah. You could also just
• 50:47
  say, look, I liked both dogs, all right, so should I
• 50:52
  play more of this? Or yeah? Play more? Okay, But even
• 50:58
  though that's factually correct, I may not be taking into account that seven out
• 51:01
  of those ten people are women, and maybe the people who are getting helped
• 51:06
  the most with talk therapy or talking about their emotions are actually women. And
• 51:10
  it's not just me that says this. If you actually look at the American
• 51:14
  Psychological Association's guidance for working with boys and men, they sort of point out
• 51:20
  a systemic bias in the way that we diagnose men in women. And that's
• 51:24
  a lot is a diagnoses. Did you miss that? Yes? Uh,
• 51:29
  I wonder, But you know it's possible that this I'm I okay, it's
• 51:35
  possible that the way that the thing is it might be the way the language
• 51:40
  used in the APA guidelines that somebody who isn't sensitive to feminists baldygook would not
• 51:50
  see and they would just be like, oh, they're just pointing out a
• 51:52
  bias. But like, I believe that we looked at the the the guidelines
• 52:01
  and spoke to people who have looked at them, and they are operating under
• 52:06
  a feminist conjecture to come to conclusions about the way men not necessarily how they
• 52:15
  should be treated, but like, you know what, how they are the
• 52:19
  problem for their own Like, well, no, it doesn't, it doesn't
• 52:22
  fall it also informs their treatment, because I'm pretty sure they said something like
• 52:25
  consider telling your client how he can tribute. This is very much paraphram.
• 52:30
  Yeah, yeah, there was definitely that language, right, Yeah, that
• 52:34
  was definitely So all right, let's play some more. Sees that women get
• 52:40
  like depression and anxiety, which by the way, women are about two to
• 52:44
  three times is likely to be diagnosed with that stuff. A lot of those
• 52:46
  diagnoses have to do with feelings and being able to articulate stuff. So,
• 52:52
  for example, major depressive disorder involves feeling sad when you're depressed, right,
• 52:57
  makes sense, and that a lot of men are actually diagnosed with what we
• 53:00
  call externalizing disorders, things like addictions or sociopathy or antisocial personality disorder. So
• 53:08
  these are disorders that involve behaviors. So I think they're sort of cluing us
• 53:14
  in on a really important idea, which is that when men feel something,
• 53:17
  they act on it as opposed to articulate it or talk about it. Yeah.
• 53:25
  True, I got another super shot. No is go ahead? Go
• 53:30
  ahead? Oh no, I'm nervous. Okay, go ahead, read the
• 53:35
  superchow. I got a big superchow. Okay's worried that? Okay, what
• 53:40
  what? No? Read it? Read it? Fine? All right?
• 53:44
  I got a super child from laptop two fifteen gives us twenty five bucks and
• 53:47
  says read when convenient as I don't want to throw off the flow of the
• 53:52
  discussion. For what it's worth. Oh so sorry about that. I did
• 53:54
  it for what it's worth. A lot of the topics you cover end up
• 53:59
  uncovered memories from my childhood, which gives me a second chance to deal with
• 54:02
  garbage, garbage I've buried because I couldn't talk about it without it being thrown
• 54:07
  back in my face. Even so, a big part of the over identification
• 54:12
  with personal responsibility may be more practical than not. But as soon as you
• 54:15
  point out you can't do anything about a specific problem, you get dropped.
• 54:22
  Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. That's a really big thing. And
• 54:25
  unfortunately, I don't think feminism has really challenged anything when it comes to how
• 54:30
  we approach men and women. No, if anything, you know, what's
• 54:34
  really ironic is feminist. So like you just want to be a traditionalist,
• 54:37
  women submit to him. Like, no, I don't think feminism went far
• 54:40
  enough. You never actually challenged anything. You just the same thing over again.
• 54:47
  Like if you actually want to advance, if you actually want to do
• 54:52
  something different, you have to do something different. You can't just keep blaming
• 54:55
  men, putting men in the position of ultimate agency and pretending that all women
• 55:00
  are is damsels in distress and then somehow conjecturizing that through the process of becoming
• 55:07
  a damsel in distress, they're going to make a bunch that you say,
• 55:09
  don't care about them, care about them. Mm hmm. It's such a
• 55:15
  bunch of convoluted bull crap. But but yeah, it's like, we haven't
• 55:21
  challenged this notion that when men can't do they're nothing, or that if they
• 55:27
  if they're not capable that they just cease to be They cease to be men,
• 55:30
  they cease to be worth anything if they can't do everything for other people.
• 55:37
  Feminism can't even begin to acknowledge that this kind of socialization exists for men,
• 55:40
  That it isn't just all men are just striding around shoving their balls in
• 55:45
  people's face and telling them to suck it. That actually men's socialization is more
• 55:50
  about trying to protect and provide for women and feeling like you're nothing if you
• 55:53
  don't, right, They're like they want to pretend like men socialization is all
• 56:00
  about dominance and and turning women into their sex slaves and all this kind of
• 56:05
  Goorean fantasy crap. Oh, incidentally, I read an article that feminists are
• 56:12
  more likely to have rape fantasies. So that's that's something interesting. I believe
• 56:15
  it. I mean, I think we've seen it, like I'll like,
• 56:20
  I think there's some they have like this, like I don't know, like
• 56:23
  the spirit of the Marquis de Sade in them or something like they have.
• 56:28
  They're definitely a sadistic side to people who are masochistic. Masochistic, yes,
• 56:35
  yes, but also sadistic. Like I think there is like a pleasure that
• 56:39
  comes from, you know, seeing people who they have framed as their enemies
• 56:45
  harmed and well, anyway, I won't I won't go much further, but
• 56:52
  it's it's pretty. It's yeah, I'm not surprised at all, Like I
• 56:55
  mean, on the news show. You know, it's like there are women
• 57:00
  doing terrible things to children. Terrible the things to children are under their care,
• 57:06
  like their students or their harming men in some way, and when you
• 57:10
  look into their history, you know most of the time they're feminist women,
• 57:15
  sometimes academic feminist women. That was a brick Lady that we covered yesterday was
• 57:21
  a woman who made a viral video where she had like this big swelling on
• 57:25
  the side of her face and she claimed she was crying and out in public
• 57:30
  and she was claiming that there was this man who hit her in the face
• 57:34
  with a brick because he wouldn't she wouldn't give him her phone number, and
• 57:37
  it went viral and she like started to go fund me and made like forty
• 57:42
  thousand dollars, and then later it came out that she faked the whole thing.
• 57:45
  She was she worked in like as a nursing assistant or something, and
• 57:50
  she injected some like saline solution into her face to make it swell up,
• 57:54
  and she like put on a show. And then when I looked into her
• 57:58
  history, like who she was and what you know, like what she her
• 58:02
  education was. She was a feminist college student that learned all about you know,
• 58:07
  black feminism and intersectionality and all this other stuff. And the man that
• 58:12
  she accused was a black man, you know, because that's where she was.
• 58:15
  And she and now she's well she's turned herself into police yesterday, but
• 58:21
  she was like on the run, she made a killing. And it's like,
• 58:24
  yeah, this is basically the whole thing in a nutshell. I mean
• 58:28
  it's it's really is this is the whole thing in a nutshell. This is
• 58:30
  a microcosm for like that, you know, and the fact that everyone was
• 58:34
  just believing her, like right off the bat, like nobody thought, well
• 58:37
  this is suspicious, right, Well that's what happens in a patriarchy. Yeah,
• 58:40
  that's exactly. Yeah, that's how patriarchies play out. And what's really
• 58:45
  annoying is people think they invented this shit last generation. No, this has
• 58:49
  always been the case. Women have always been able to create these kind of
• 58:53
  hysterias. A lot of the witch hunts were based on women creating these hysterias
• 59:00
  or being part of them. Okay, it's just it just is something that
• 59:04
  women can do. They just have the ability to whip people's most basic instincts
• 59:08
  up. And it's it's unfortunate that we don't recognize that and do something to
• 59:15
  just fact check it, but to just respond to that one superchow. I'm
• 59:21
  really glad that you're getting something out of this and you're able to unpack this,
• 59:24
  and I hope it helps like that, you know that, you know,
• 59:30
  for what it's worth, we've got your back for that. You know,
• 59:34
  people, men should have the space to heal, and it's unfortunate they're
• 59:38
  not given it in the society. And like I said, feminism hasn't gone
• 59:42
  far enough. And what I mean by that is that it's never really questioned
• 59:46
  gender roles. Men are still expected to be where the buck stops and women
• 59:52
  are still expected to be provided and protective for. It's just that now it's
• 59:55
  equality. Now it's equity. You know. Well, in a way it's
• 1:00:00
  worse because men, at least before, you know, men had a space
• 1:00:07
  and women were expected to like be a part of you know, solutions like
• 1:00:10
  be a part of society. Now women are there's nothing asked to them and
• 1:00:15
  men are to blame for everything. Yeah, you know, but I mean
• 1:00:22
  I think in a lot of ways in the past that that would be something
• 1:00:23
  that's more on the level of family. But you know what, I think
• 1:00:28
  that we should question this. We should question this automatic assumption that men be
• 1:00:31
  defined by women's needs. Yep, and defined by women's needs to the point
• 1:00:38
  where they we can't even acknowledge that they're defined by women's needs. Okay,
• 1:00:44
  all right, I got I got two more super childs. So ash thrown
• 1:00:49
  ass thrun gave us five dollars again and says when guys don't clean their room
• 1:00:52
  or take a shower, they are seen as unstable, possible danger and creeps.
• 1:00:58
  But when Maam Bilk that's the woman who played Blossom lets her cat's piss
• 1:01:04
  on her bed while she's depressed, she gets supportive articles written on how depression
• 1:01:08
  affects women. Good game. I I didn't know that. My well,
• 1:01:14
  I'm not surprised. Is she like single because she's like kind of old.
• 1:01:17
  Now, so I mean, why are cats pissing in her bed? And
• 1:01:21
  why doesn't her husband slash boyfriend, slash partner have something to say about that?
• 1:01:28
  Yeah, you're right. I mean I just saw like a thing speaking
• 1:01:31
  of celebrities. It was an old, an old meme I saw from like
• 1:01:37
  a few years ago when we were experiencing the koof business, and it was
• 1:01:43
  a whole article written about I think it was Gwyneth Paltrow and it says Gwyneth
• 1:01:47
  Paltrow finally caved in and ate bread during the lockdowns? What did you?
• 1:01:52
  What did you? You know, end up giving up? And the first
• 1:01:55
  person a post was a man. He said, I lost my job in
• 1:01:59
  my and my my mother died or something like that. And it's like oof
• 1:02:05
  that I'm not laughing at the situation, but it's like, you know,
• 1:02:07
  oh my god, she had to eat bread? How tragic? What happened
• 1:02:10
  to you? Well, I lost my job and you know it's like not
• 1:02:15
  even clothes. But anyway, thank you for that, ash thrun And then
• 1:02:21
  I Richard Bierre said something, but for some reason it's not showing up in
• 1:02:23
  the in the chat Ninja thing. Richard, he say he sent something.
• 1:02:30
  Let me just he sent five dollars as a super chip. I'm just gonna
• 1:02:32
  read it, and he said, feminist fantasize about being graped because that would
• 1:02:37
  be the only way they could believe that they were desirable in any way whatsoever.
• 1:02:47
  I you know, maybe I think they just have this obsession with not
• 1:02:53
  having to take responsibility for their desire because they can't resolve in themselves the conflict
• 1:03:04
  between you know that likes to get hate too, because if they get hate,
• 1:03:14
  it validates them. Yeah, that's true, like and it validates their
• 1:03:19
  their understanding of the world. But it's like this conflict between seeing yourself as
• 1:03:22
  a woman at being negated by sexual desire of a man, Like you just
• 1:03:29
  become a nothing through sexual desire with from of a man. So, you
• 1:03:34
  know, having that taken away, that conflict taken away, is very attractive.
• 1:03:38
  All right. So we haven't got to the superchow referencing the dogs yet.
• 1:03:45
  No nothing for them. I think I think people like the dogs generally.
• 1:03:49
  Markets to say about it? What I think? Do we have another
• 1:03:53
  Superchow or did you read I don't think so, No, I read them
• 1:04:00
  all, read them all. Okay, so you want to play more of
• 1:04:03
  the video or do you want to sure? Well, I mean it sort
• 1:04:06
  of goes on in this sort of ain, So it depends on if you're
• 1:04:12
  feeling it. I mean, I agree with what he's saying, but I
• 1:04:16
  also, like'm looking at the clock because I got to think of Lindsay
• 1:04:19
  soonish. But we'll listen more into a little bit about how men deal with
• 1:04:24
  their emotions. We'll kind of see that this is true in general as well,
• 1:04:28
  because if you're a man, an emotion is a problem to be solved,
• 1:04:31
  not something to be talked about. Right, So think about like if
• 1:04:35
  you get wow finally, I mean, it's so relieving to hear like men
• 1:04:44
  are not about talking about problems, They're about solving problems. This is why
• 1:04:47
  they want to like you know, that's why, like like Paul has said,
• 1:04:54
  and Tim Goldish and said, so many people have said, you know,
• 1:04:57
  if when men are dealing with stuff, if they work with their hands
• 1:05:00
  or they're doing something, they're solving some problem. Because maybe the problem in
• 1:05:04
  their life is not something they can fix like right away, maybe it's out
• 1:05:08
  of their control. But in order for them to cope, if that is
• 1:05:12
  the case, they should be doing something else, like figuring out some other
• 1:05:15
  issue. You know, like I was going through something you know, with
• 1:05:23
  like my father and stuff where you know, he's very sick and I can't
• 1:05:26
  visit him, and I you know, I'm I want to see him.
• 1:05:29
  I'm afraid that he might pass away while I'm here before I can see him.
• 1:05:32
  And so I'm like wrestling with that, and I mean, like my
• 1:05:35
  wife knows like what I'm going through, but there's nothing we can do about
• 1:05:40
  it, Like I don't have the money or the time to go down there
• 1:05:43
  to see them. So what I did instead was I focused on a problem
• 1:05:47
  that I was trying to solve here at home, which is essentially getting this
• 1:05:51
  chat gptai, you know, chat bot on the gaming channel to work.
• 1:05:57
  And I've been doing it for weeks, but I know know that what it
• 1:06:00
  is is just like a way of like me working and working out this other
• 1:06:03
  thing. So I accomplish that. I acknowledge that I accomplish that because I
• 1:06:06
  think I have, although I'm still you know, working out some other things.
• 1:06:11
  And then like when I talk to my father again, I'll have something
• 1:06:14
  to tell him, so you know, I can say, look, I
• 1:06:16
  did this thing right, So yeah, I mean, I'm just glad he
• 1:06:20
  said that. I guess I'm I'm it's a little exciting to hear. He's
• 1:06:26
  like, yeah, this is what men are like. And I'm like,
• 1:06:27
  holy shit, this guy is a man that actually understands men. Like he's
• 1:06:30
  not regurgitating like programming, you know what I mean, because a lot of
• 1:06:35
  men in like a lot of psychologists, they're just like any educated person when
• 1:06:41
  you they're just gonna regurgitate the programming like, Oh, this is what men
• 1:06:44
  are like. They don't like to express themselves. They should otherwise they'll die
• 1:06:47
  and it's their fault, you know. And this guy is like, no,
• 1:06:50
  no, here's the deal, right. It's like, wow, you
• 1:06:54
  thought this through. I mean, I'm surprised it's not getting pushed back from
• 1:06:57
  feminists in the comments. I'm gonna look go ahead, Alise, and you
• 1:06:59
  want to say, Yeah, what I wanted to say was this when we
• 1:07:05
  look at it in terms of the overactivation of I like this idea now because
• 1:07:10
  it gives it very concrete, at least for me, the default node network
• 1:07:15
  in women versus men. It seems like for women, you know, being
• 1:07:20
  self aware and then saying that you know, I am the problem telling women
• 1:07:27
  or giving them this kind of effusive praise or or or just allowing them to
• 1:07:32
  talk is a way of getting them out of it, if that makes sense.
• 1:07:35
  But men need a different way, because he's saying that men need take
• 1:07:40
  action, which sort of buys into that whole the default node network. So
• 1:07:44
  you look at yourself in terms of the actions that you can take, so
• 1:07:46
  you look at yourself as the problem. With women, they look at themselves
• 1:07:49
  as the problem, and they also sort of get stuck there too, except
• 1:07:54
  it's stuck in a different way. They don't they are able to use action
• 1:08:00
  taking in order to jolt themselves out of it. So it's almost like they
• 1:08:05
  need that as well. Like I'm not even sure that the psychology Association or
• 1:08:10
  the psychology industry is really helping women. They're just creating perpetual clients. So
• 1:08:15
  but but like I think the difference is that, let me try to articulate
• 1:08:18
  this, When men are caught in that negative thought spiral, they need an
• 1:08:24
  action to take to get themselves out of it, Whereas when women are thought
• 1:08:27
  caught in that negative act thought spiral, the action that they take that to
• 1:08:31
  get out of it is to be to speak and be heard, if that
• 1:08:35
  makes sense. Yeah, yeah, So the man you want to be like,
• 1:08:41
  Okay, you're thinking of yourself as a problem. The action you need
• 1:08:45
  to take is to rehabilitate that that your ability to feel like you can do
• 1:08:49
  stuff. See what I'm saying. Mm hmm, you know, rehabilitate your
• 1:08:56
  feeling like you have a positive effect on the world around you. Whereas for
• 1:08:59
  women and it's like, oh yeah, we'll just talk and be affirmed in
• 1:09:02
  your feelings. But I think that women could also benefit from being told that
• 1:09:08
  you need to focus more on how your actions affect the world around you,
• 1:09:14
  but maybe not not necessarily like the truly depressed women. I don't know anyway,
• 1:09:17
  That's that's what I was thinking. So I'll throw that out you guys.
• 1:09:21
  What you guys have to say? All right, let's uh, you
• 1:09:26
  know what, why don't we finish up? Because I know that you gotta
• 1:09:29
  do you got stuff too, Yeah, so let's yeah, okay, So
• 1:09:33
  I'm just gonna before before we do anything, I don't see, let me
• 1:09:45
  just double check and see what's going on there. But I do want to
• 1:09:48
  remind everyone if you want to send us a message, you can do so
• 1:09:51
  it feedbadger dot com slash just the tip. I'm sad that nobody has sent
• 1:09:55
  a message mentioning the doggos because they there. I mean, they've been very
• 1:10:00
  important additions to the show. I think you know I would have thought,
• 1:10:04
  but yeah, you don't have to choose between them. You can say they're
• 1:10:10
  both good boys. And if you want to support the show, you can
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  do so at Feedbadger dot com slash support. It's very important to support because
• 1:10:19
  otherwise we can't continue to bring you this content and make the connections that we
• 1:10:24
  do, which I think are very unique and important to do. I'm not
• 1:10:28
  sure anybody has made the connection between the default node network and what I would
• 1:10:33
  call feminist psychological malpractice, because the more you emphasize men as the problem,
• 1:10:40
  if if seeing yourself as the problem is what's causing depression, the more you
• 1:10:46
  emphasize men two men that they are the problem, the more depressed they are
• 1:10:51
  going to get. I think that's pretty obvious. I'm not sure anybody's made
• 1:10:57
  that connection anyway. If you want to support connections like those, go to
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  feed the Badger dot com slash support. Make sure that we are able to
• 1:11:04
  get the keep giving you this show and this content. I don't see anything
• 1:11:10
  further, do you see anything further. Nope, I don't see anything further.
• 1:11:13
  I mean the chat is lively, and but they're not like sending stuff
• 1:11:16
  to us. Well, no, they have been sending stuff. I mean
• 1:11:19
  I mean like, I mean not, yeah, they have. No,
• 1:11:21
  I'm not I'm not like looking and get force the mouth. I'm just saying
• 1:11:25
  not in the last few minutes. It's okay, it's okay, yeah,
• 1:11:30
  yeah, and great, Okay, let me just check to see if I'm
• 1:11:33
  in the right location here. Maybe there's stuff in the tubes that are stuck.
• 1:11:38
  That's what. Yeah, that's what I'm checking for, for any kind
• 1:11:40
  of stuff in the tubes. It's a little the what do you call it,
• 1:11:45
  the rabbit the rabbi hole, the rabbi hole. Yeah, uh,
• 1:11:50
  we got one. It's like in gigantic letters for some reason in here.
• 1:11:55
  But it says Richard Pierre gives us five bucks and says the doggo those are
• 1:12:00
  good boys, So thank you for that. Thanks, you're a good boy.
• 1:12:09
  He opened his eyes a little bit, skippy, good boy. All
• 1:12:13
  right, good boy, do you hear that? Jojo? Do you hear
• 1:12:16
  that? Jojo? You're a good boy. But boy Skipio is also looking
• 1:12:26
  at me. Yeah, are you waking me up. I'm trying to nap.
• 1:12:29
  I don't care a woman. I don't live by your praise. He's
• 1:12:32
  a German shepherd, so sleepy. Oh well, you know this is an
• 1:12:43
  achievement, did you guys hear how much I have to know? He's normally
• 1:12:46
  kind of a handful. I know. Yeah, Well he's not. Yeah,
• 1:12:49
  I guess you're right. He's a handful. And he's not a bad
• 1:12:51
  dog by any means. He's just he's been bred to be a real dynamo.
• 1:12:58
  Mm hmmm, No, I mean German shepherds are energetic. JoJo's a
• 1:13:02
  hound. I mean he's not. He's not hunting anything. This is what
• 1:13:05
  he does, so mm hmm. Okay, all right. So once again,
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  You get the full benefit of sending us a message at any time that we
• 1:13:23
  will read on the next available show that YouTube doesn't get to sniff in any
• 1:13:28
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  the tip, and also if you want to support the show, feed the
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  Badger dot com slash support. I hope you enjoyed this content. It's a
• 1:13:41
  little shorter, hopefully a little bit more compact, maybe shareable. I don't
• 1:13:45
  know, but I did want to point this out. I did want to
• 1:13:49
  say that this doesn't this doesn't look very good for the for the modern psychology
• 1:13:56
  industry, that they are promoting some thing that causes so much poor health in
• 1:14:02
  men. And also if if telling if getting into this loop of seeing yourself
• 1:14:11
  as a problem is what causes depression, telling men that they're the problem might
• 1:14:17
  exchool a long way to explaining why so many men are killing themselves, you
• 1:14:23
  know, maybe might maybe or so many men have substance issues or other issues
• 1:14:31
  that you know they're having trouble dealing with. And and to all of you
• 1:14:38
  got struggled with mental health, you know, like a hand to use.
• 1:14:45
  Hats off to you because you're doing it in a world that's actively trying to
• 1:14:49
  destroy it. So bravo, you're holding up under a hostile enemy fire.
• 1:14:59
  Okay, so feel good about yourselves. You survived this far, you've managed
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  to hold up against the feminist onslaught telling men that they're the problem, thus
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  inducing depressive symptoms. A lot of the guys that don't either it's either subclinical
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  they don't know it, or they're otherwise a nerd, or they are simply
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  a person or man who's going to go throughout his life until he hits the
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  roadblock like a really bad relationship or a loss in the job, and he's
• 1:15:30
  going to implode. So if you've gone through that process, you have been
• 1:15:34
  in the shit and you've gotten through it, and you've proven to yourself that
• 1:15:39
  you're stronger than that. You're stronger than a breakup of a relationship, You're
• 1:15:44
  stronger than the loss of the job. You are somebody who can endure and
• 1:15:47
  overcome. So give yourself a pat in the back. You know, if
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  you want to, like, you don't have to listen to me. But
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  anyway, Okay, yeah, Brian, what's up? You want to end
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  it? Okay, let's end it. I'm handing it back to you.
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  Okay, Okay, I'm sorry I missed that. Okay what I said information
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  was not conveyed. Oh yeah, yeah, no, it kind of flew
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  over my head a little bit. I was looking at the chat all right,
• 1:16:15
  well there must be a riot right now. What do you mean a
• 1:16:20
  riot? Well, because they're very entertaining or just like I mean, no,
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  I'm just I just tend to look at the chat in case somebody says
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  something clever so I can share it on screen. Yeah, you know,
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  because our chat is pretty Our chat is pretty clever. So praise the dog
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  os. Yeah, well I think there is praise. Praise for the dog
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  os. Uh, Jim Bottle said Skippy Jojo, he just he just made
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  like a Skipy Jojoy. You know those dogs I haven't met yet. They
• 1:16:51
  might though they might if, if you know, if our countries don't collapse
• 1:16:58
  of themselves, maybe maybe Jojo and Skipia will meet each other and they'll get
• 1:17:02
  along. I'm sure they will, because Jojo gets along really well with Malanois
• 1:17:06
  and shepherds. It's the huskies he doesn't like very much, and the Schnauzers
• 1:17:11
  for some reason. But anyway, I've heard, yeah, huskies can be
• 1:17:15
  a little bossy bossy. But anyway, so thanks guys for coming on the
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  show, and I hope you guys enjoyed this. If you want to look
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  at the videos I did. There's a link to the original one that we
• 1:17:31
  were looking at. In the description, I can add this one that is
• 1:17:35
  entitled why therapy sucks for Men. The comments were pretty based, so I'm
• 1:17:42
  happy about that. A lot of men saying yeah, you're right, absolutely
• 1:17:45
  blah blah blah, even talking about their personal experiences and couples therapy and how
• 1:17:48
  much bias there is against the husband and how you know, it's like,
• 1:17:51
  what are you doing? Is what are you doing to like upset her?
• 1:17:55
  You know, that kind of thing. So it's good people are talking about
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  it, and I think for me that's like those are that's life goals.
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  People talking about this issue so that we can, like, you know,
• 1:18:04
  start to realize that that we've been doing it wrong. We've been doing men
• 1:18:09
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