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Construcción Plural - Programa 1128 · Construcción Plural - Radio Trend Topic

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  Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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  season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
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  to it on radio train topic. For example, you know how much a
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  kilo of meat is worth. Today I have the shopping. I don'
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  t know everything. You know how much they take a minimum ticket. You
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  don' t know how much minimum retirement is. No, and you know,
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  I' m not telling you to see. You don' t know
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  because you' re in the big lines or because you' re not,
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  because I look at the numbers added. Yeah, then like the weird thing
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  about numbers of course. I, then look in aggregate terms, so I
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  don' t look at the particular small numbers, that is, because that
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  ' s already where having the sensitivity of people also friends, but good afternoons
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  for aggregate numbers and how they walk here We are in prural construction, closing
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  the week. Finally we were not yesterday for an operational change and so we
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  still started earlier an exceptional program. We' re soloists and a half-
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  long. I' ve already invited us to greet our correspondents in North America.
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  After me talking, interviewing María Castiliones, directors of six economic advisers and
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  finally, with the great Uaime around four o' clock in the afternoon,
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  Don Juan has returned. They tell me it' s good. It was
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  by your side an important journey motivated by Rivery, some historic feat. So
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  good. They say River invited him to meet. I' m not going
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  to abound because I don' t get into anyone' s privacy that'
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  s good. It is a pleasure, after the passage of Mr Soraice,
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  to have him again to friend Juan this fan acerry c to Lorenzo Go the
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  jokes that I make Jo River, to have him there again in the technical
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  operation and the important hand that gives us to change the name has, because
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  there is the shirt similar to that of San Lorenzo. It' s the
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  boat, not that of San Lorenzo and the ambient bar. This is very
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  good for having it. I have Gustavo Frari Iwalfui on a line, I
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  think, while I tell them that the dollar is still going down. The
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  Blue thousand already under the barrier of the thousand is nine hundred ninety- three
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  and counted with like is in one thousand fifty- five. Title at this
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  hour the three of the Tari Infobae, which always our reference in general to
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  put us in cars of the news of the average. Late began the meeting
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  at Casa Rosada of pose and Francos with the Governors together for the change.
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  What could be the impact on everyday life of the shift in time to what
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  Europe does twice a year? He just did last weekend and then he'
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  ll be back in October and in Argentina. This was set aside and in
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  the possibility that it will happen again, the President will travel this afternoon Ushuaia
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  to meet Laura Richard Son, head of the Southern Command. There are tensions,
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  geopolitics Russia, China, the base in neu China, in Neucée,
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  etcetera, etcetera. Increased gas, how much will each user pay for the
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  bill after the new one goes, after the explosive alsa that comes in the
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  super adjustment in terms of gas, which is everyday today. The Government sent
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  out a project to punish the doutrination in schools. The FM supported the change
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  in the retirement formula and called on the government to negotiate reforms. And here
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  I came with the evening titles. Don Gustavo Farrari Bolfson, my friend.
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  Good afternoon, hello. Thank you, Fernando, very good afternoon. I
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  ' m not having breakfast, but I' m listening to you all that
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  news and deed that you commented on and the question is I remember the words
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  of former candidates Sergio Masa, who said that dollar was up to 1,
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  500 at this time of year. It doesn' t seem that way.
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  So, my second question is who was right? I don' t think
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  I' ve also seen her on very busy social networks, Doña Malena,
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  a bit of a voice in her husband' s frustration or marriage. But
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  the question that I am facing these scenarios is whether really the criticism, which
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  is very valid, is still to an unknown model or different or really to
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  measures that are beyond the adjustments that were also warned beforehand. If you'
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  re going to make such a thing as, but it represents that new unknown
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  model. No, I mean, the President said they' re gonna be
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  really strong months. The months are really being very hard for many sectors,
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  but at the same time, I believe that, after many years, there
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  is still a certain model of hope and credibility to what you are saying.
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  It' s a honeymoon that I don' t know how long it'
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  s going to last, but it' s obviously on its way. In
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  other words, nothing that was not announced is being done, and it seems
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  that the people or the electoral support they had, are accompanying that until it
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  lasts. I don' t know, but today, the numbers, the
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  moments, the adjustments, the same parity, the hope of reaching a box
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  figure to lift the trap, etcetera. All this follows in his footsteps and
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  I believe that what is at present the Chief of Staff with the Minister of
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  the Interior chatting, with the Governors, is a dialogue on two different models
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  that they have not understood either to apply in their respective provinces. Beyond its
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  ideological concept, if the moon and it lasts, we do not agree.
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  I think serious analysts are going to shut it down. A little while with
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  Way has also told me a friend like a Carlos Fara. The thing is
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  a little bit my little girl. There is a minor drip and perhaps in
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  the middle of this adjustment is very minor. But some points to me but
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  it is true that it has the support of half of society, not of
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  the sixties, as some exaggerate, is undoubtedly a handicap. One of his
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  advantages with the dystopian appearance of him as emerging on the political stage is that
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  there is no opposition or a divided position, crawling as to where he goes
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  if I secreted it and an announcement of a forthcoming strike that is so discredited
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  with one of the great visible faces as that of the irreferential Pablo Moyano.
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  It represents part of the opposition. Well, obviously, that too, in
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  a sense, was to run Miley not exactly this one. Besides, I
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  don' t know if I don' t want to take them as a
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  claim, but without the institutional recognition that they are. He is giving to
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  certain sectors that had been quite marginalized. In this case, the armed forces
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  and we always returned to this same situation had their time, a very cruel
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  time, very unfortunate. But a country has to deal with armed forces.
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  Perhaps after forty years of it he proposed the rapprochement of society with force.
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  Hey, you understand it' s been 50 years. It' s just
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  that there are other officers acting. I say it is so necessary to talk
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  today about reconciliation, when it comes. Decades have passed, generations have passed,
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  the armed forces have fully integrated into democracy. Let' s say you
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  ' re a yary to remove that. Or there is a denial, in
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  part, a denial of what you can create or take Malvinas as gesta when
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  a drunken general, like a good tarb, was beaten. The point is
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  that this sort of contradiction and demand, and, as you say after fifty
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  years, is obviously necessary on both sides. I believe that neither side made
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  its critical art and continued living from the nostalgia of having been and the pain
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  of no longer being as tango says, so, for certain sectors they were
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  also called those on the other side of the sidewalk. I do not want
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  to describe his ideologically good, who also had their responsibility in such strong disagreements
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  that the Argentine policy had for them continued to use it as a flag and
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  that flag was still stuck in the heart of the army of the armed forces
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  as an institution. Not then this one, if you tell me, is
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  necessary a claim after fifty years. I wouldn' t tell you the institution
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  at the time is anything either. Those statements in his time as General Balsa,
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  he never had mea culpa. They didn' t have it either.
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  Let' s say Montone Soler and all. On the contrary. We are
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  the worst thing that we are paying tributes or reliving even literary tributes to those
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  disagreements. Not because they want to leave alive a story that, as you
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  say, for a person today of fifty years or forty, is part of
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  a nostalgia, to see the fact that now comes out the music book that
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  I really want to read with some passion, is part of saying to see
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  who remembers you of Father Mejicas, some nostalgic and of seventy- so many
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  years or of eighty years not, that is to say you ask a boy,
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  Father Mujica and that I will say no idea how neither was lost,
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  nor can it be film Nish mccanna to the bass. All those were not
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  heroes or villains of their time, but they need to write their story today
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  so that there will be a document that remembers it. We are talking about
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  the book of colleague ferio, we do not reato clarify so exactly and then,
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  on the side of the armed forces, well, there is also the
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  figure of viguela, of viola, as you say, of a drunk,
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  like Gal Tena. This decision was made by a project that, curiously,
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  as well as the extremes come together, designed as it is verified in the
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  books at the time Vandercoits, a project designed in the isma by quanteros and
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  sold to Rear Admiral Anaya, who at that time was the head of the
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  armed forces of the navy. So, this one, it was a waterer.
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  The project, the Falklands invasion project, is verified. It was a
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  project designed by quanteros of vindication aha ok ok then that was sold so to
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  speak, convinced yes, within that macabre relationship that leftist groups had, let
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  ' s say with certain sectors of the armed forces, specifically the navy.
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  So, to see also today who remembers gall and we have let' s
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  say we cry or live the memory. Let' s say of many boys
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  who sent them to fight for a national cause that, obviously, is still
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  our flag, but it was a very sad moment. So, I think
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  that at some point, in this sort of attitude, perhaps of the president
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  of my law, to claim certain attitudes, certain moments, that is also
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  to say to see we start from scratch and we see to him the value
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  that each of the inscriptions of the homeland have to have, because we talked
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  about it about two or three programs ago I don' t remember today we
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  have an institution that, in case we really would need it, they don
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  ' t have even five hours to face anyone, let alone tell an army
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  in hiding how subversion, subversion, narco its version can be. You don
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  ' t think that, Luis, the armed forces want to play a maximum
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  role, an important role in the struggle, something that resists in the profa
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  force more and I have exhibited this is Villaruel village, a good role more
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  important. They' ll propose to have the is that they look to see.
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  The problem isn' t whether or not I should. I would say
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  constitutionally not what happens that the case is and I know it very well from
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  the experience of Mexico. Theoretically, no, but well, you don'
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  t have security forces prepared to deal with that scourge either. Let' s
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  say what the nufcll traffic means and you have today the groups of the carters
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  with weapons more sophisticated than the armed forces themselves. Then you can' t
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  send what we used to call the gray fox, you remember, he was
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  the guard on the corner. All he had was the wooden stick or the
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  whistle. By fighting all that kind of armed shock force to the teeth and
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  with equipment, let' s say first generation, then the issue is beyond.
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  Whether you' re prepared or not, it' s the experience that,
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  according to the army' s argument, is to see us go into
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  the fight against subversion with a decree of a constitutional government and at the moment
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  we say they had to defend us. I' m going to say a
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  very place term. They opened up from shrimp, no, and they never
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  backed us. I think what happens is that there are the crimes, the
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  proven ones, the milestones, He is humanity that I said they committed.
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  Well, okay, bad at that, well, but it' s okay
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  what I' m going to is next, as far as it goes.
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  I get into it with popular support and then with a popular backing today that
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  later, because, obviously, in a war there that' s what plants
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  Villaruel, that' s what completes villains, and I' m living it.
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  But in this country, I mean, the excesses and the army,
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  and it has had two or three, curiously confrontations with the President when they
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  came out to have those who call here the Chapito the son of CHAPO and
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  at twenty four in a military operation, and at twenty- four hours the
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  Government released him then, as they told the President to see not to do
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  papers or we have the support or we do not have the support then.
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  That' s the problem. If you are fulfilling, you know very well,
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  or military. I do my orders, I mean, I don'
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  t think, I do my orders, well, but if I even do
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  you how far am I going to get my back? But at the same
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  time, as far as I' m going to have not only the backup,
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  but let' s say the park, not the weapons, the ammunition,
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  etcetera, to face all that. And we don' t have it
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  there. And we' re there watching these two planes from Denmark for the
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  air force that are from the United States, and so on. Or to
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  see what is being negotiated with Mrs East who is coming today from command south
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  here. It' s a good control problem. America' s great fear
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  of fear today is the big issue of the day for them, it'
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  s the whole issue. Let' s say of the heavy drugs that are
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  entering the United States from kitchens in Latin America rim gone, we had it
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  on our border today with Bolivia, which are already in let' s say
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  in Cordoba, the famous This Ecuadorian lady that they caught. And, on
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  the other hand, the issue of migrants. We do not have Argentine migrants
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  in large caravans, but from the South, from Chile, from Brazil,
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  there are very strong migratory flows. So, really, in this strategic alliance
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  that the President intends to make with the United States, how all that is
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  recomposed. I don' t know what you know. I wanted to talk
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  to you about that bet. In foreign policy it does not bring us an
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  almost carnal relationship of mena, an alignment too much in the Western world,
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  not only with the United States, but also with Israel, country. I
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  think that in general, let' s say this, one can share supports
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  and so on, but it' s hard to support the murder. I
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  say this by my word, not yours the killer the President has, as
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  is neteniajo the incursion he has made after the terrorist acts of Jamas in Gasa
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  and so on. I don' t say well, we' re not
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  nearly in carnal relationships, as we talk so much about menem and too much
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  alignment beyond the western, and that should be our thing. Let' s
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  say with the United States we' re playing that card too hard. You
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  don' t think so. I think it' s very possible and I
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  agree with you. Now I' m also thinking about Millake' s President
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  ' s head, who said so from day one. I mean, on
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  the one hand I have a political relationship and on the other hand, within
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  my liberalism, I leave open the commercial relationship, for example, in the
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  case of China, of other markets that perhaps ideologically are not so close to
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  their thinking. He says I don' t get involved as a political alliance,
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  but I leave the door to continue trade relations and I don' t
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  know if Group x or G wants to continue trading with China, and that
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  brings us well- being, brings us money and all welcome. That'
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  s where he marks the separation and perhaps identifies his liberal thinking. No,
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  I' m going for this sidewalk now within the liberal idea. If you
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  want to do business or see the guy in the corner, with the Chinese
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  from the corner to zero, I' m not going to slow you down.
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  It' s all of a sudden that I think that where it'
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  s getting more complicated is some strategic alignments that the past administration had made,
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  which we say for the Chinese must be fulfilled. No, then maybe that
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  ' s the thing. We' ll have to disarm, perhaps with a
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  lot of diplomatic intelligence. There in Mexico, this saying I don' t
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  know is news. Let' s just say it' s already so naturalized.
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  He sent me to you I heard it from you. Then I had
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  a little impact. Here' s already a murder in the middle of a
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  campaign, not someone' s looking at you. No numbers. I'
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  m gonna use words. Let' s say from the press that they have
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  concentrated, which is for the first time in history, as though it is
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  the most important election for the number of charges that are being chosen from all
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  of Mexico' s history. In addition, many call them the narco-
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  election, because of the very strong presence of organized crime or drug trafficking in
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  the influence of the electoral processes, indeed, of the Official Party on Thursday.
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  This type of thing is presented more in the mayors' offices in the
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  municipalities, because they are the places where they have the greatest territorial and business
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  control. We' ve been talking about it for so many years. With
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  you practically the agreements are I need control of treasury, public works, police
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  and when I say I' m talking to you about the cartel leader'
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  s negotiation with any of the candidates, and there are pacts that are fulfilled
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  and there are pacts that cannot be fulfilled, and there are the consequences.
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  Evidently, that kind of non- gunned arms politics has not worked. I
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  think it' s gonna feel. It' s going to be a very,
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  very, very dangerous choice, but with a lot of virulence, not
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  verbal, but this kind of group and which I think is part of the
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  strategy that we could be electoral, of the political structures, that is,
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  in the face of what happened contrary to what happened in our country. The
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  fewer people go out to vote, the more we' re going to handle
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  the apparatuses and the political spaces and points. Not that he has the greatest
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  capacity to mobilize political structures is going to be the winner of each district.
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  There is no will for massive change, as was the Milay phenomenon, for
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  example, that people leave everywhere to vote. It' s not sober bligatory
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  here in Mexico. And what percentage that when voting half a standard fifty percent,
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  because about, more or less you look at a place example very close
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  to me, like Plaza del Carmen, you have an average twenty- three
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  percent of standard. Because while you have people, how could we be registered
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  in that district? The figure here, the identity card is a form.
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  It' s the only credential you have for everything. So the fact if
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  you come to a tourist city to look for a job, you have to
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  have an address in that place, then you change your address, but that
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  doesn' t make you feel that it creates an electoral obligation. Not then
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  do you suddenly have a pattern I' m going to put three hundred thousand
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  people and they vote for you only twenty thousand because the others, let'
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  s say, have so many records, but their minds are nomads of that
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  city. No, but there' s a little involvement. Eye wasn'
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  t like that in López Obrador' s election, because we have a guy
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  who really was. That' s why I say every time they' re
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  more like Millay, he didn' t drag. Let' s say a
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  political message situation, a hope, whatever you want to call it, and
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  that choice had a high level of participation when I say you speak sixty percent.
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  Not to say, but you think that none, that is, if
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  there were here, will go to the other no President of the Republic would
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  have arrived in the first round peña grandchild won with thirty- two percent of
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  ballots and so on the previous one and Lopez and Andrés Manuel I think he
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  won with forty- four. And well I keep this sentence that is already
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  circulating in networks that we just published in Mexico there is no will to change,
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  as happened in Argentinas. What you come to confirm is c between two
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  women is going to win. Morena' s official candidate in the June election,
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  not June two, June two will win. I don' t mean
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  to raze, but it' s there. It' s a sung triumph.
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  It' s not a triumph sung today. Maybe it' s not
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  them calling her message. Let' s build the second floor of the transformation.
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  It is a very capital message because when López Obrador was mayor of the
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  city and he generated a second floor on the main access roads of Mexico City,
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  as I tell you today that access north to Pilar or access east to
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  Mar de Plata was made a second high- speed floor. Yeah, not
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  against the wind and tide the guy did, he made a poll, he
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  said he accepted it, and there' s the slogan for this campaign.
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  Let' s deconstruct the second floor of the fourth transformation. The only thing
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  I leave in doubt is that leaders have no heirs. Yes, Claudia,
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  the next presentation will perhaps be the president of the political space, but it
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  is not López Obrador. If we have talked about it and it will be
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  a complicated management, not exactly, and we have also talked about it,
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  what alignment of international policy it adopts, including with Argentina. This more charismatic
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  López Obrador leadership has already come out. If there is a more mature r
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  with Argentina, perhaps no more or less accurate person. Okay. The chancellor
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  of the Lycia bars in which she is an economist to meet, was at
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  the forefront in many years. It was destroyed last week by asking for the
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  same petro scheme of the diplomatic exculpation and Andrés Manuel himself stopped it. I
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  mean, they' re so similar, I think even in their reactions they
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  ' re the same. I mean, Trump was the enemy, but it
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  was the best relationship that Andrés Manuel had with Trump and he doesn' t
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  have it with baden not clear, yeah, yeah, well, so let
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  ' s hope that good. Not that relations between countries are bad at all,
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  but that good can be consolidated further. Inside there are very strong commercial
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  relations. You haven' t written two. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. And the one to see and the influence or migration of Argentines is
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  increasing more and more, is no more. At this moment I am here
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  in a cafeteria and you would say two of the people who are serving this
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  are this countryman Méstoria or since at what level already to reflect at what level
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  of inflation we are in Mexico, for example, today poverty indicator. Well,
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  poverty rates in a historically poor country must be about thirty- five percent,
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  but in low- lying alsa they stagnate that no, not low,
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  no, not low part in part, let' s say the manueles angre
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  distribunista policy is in va. It wasn' t low. Poverty has gone
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  down. No. As soon as the dollar has gone down in front of
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  what the dollar said, I think it is in its lowest historical floor,
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  at least in the last fifteen years that I have lived in this country.
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  A little plus four and five not as much as five percent, thirty-
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  four years no A A no no no. Yes, yes, yes,
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  you don' t see On some topics of the popular basic basket, no
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  and you realize, that is, on certain basic products that you buy.
• 29:37
  Perhaps in the case of one living alone, there are things that do not
• 29:41
  pay attention. But in things that you, who are recurring, you already
• 29:45
  see them a little bit of one or two pesos up, no, although
• 29:52
  you also see it down, it' s not that they went up and
• 29:56
  no longer lower them. There are some things that you really suddenly don'
• 30:02
  t see going down well, very well. Well Angus we see on Wednesday
• 30:07
  that comes the same da of the sixteen thirty- five of Argentina, always
• 30:11
  two hours less in Mexico, that you are fourteen thirty- five until thirty
• 30:15
  hour. We have to see if the President changes our schedule, our President,
• 30:18
  well, not bread for the other. Let' s not wait,
• 30:22
  either. Not good lotus, either. Well, we' ll see the
• 30:26
  pierpo that comes at sixteen thirty. Buenos Aires, Thank you, hug,
• 30:27
  thanks for the space. See you later, please, Gustavo Ferreri and Volve
• 30:30
  are our co- responsible there in North America. Speaking of Argentina, we
• 30:34
  started and then continued with Mexico on June 2. He reminded me well in
• 30:37
  the elections, where it is sung, he reconfirms us. So many analysts
• 30:41
  of her who know the country of the North a lot that the next president
• 30:45
  will be Claudia. I didn' t get the last name James band,
• 30:49
  which is the one after the charisma of Amblo, will be his successor.
• 30:52
  But as Gustavo rightly said, it is clear in Mexico, more than many
• 30:56
  countries that the leaderships do not have well. Some of Gustavo' s considerations
• 31:03
  are already on social networks. As I told you on Twitter, we already
• 31:10
  have this issue that there is no will for change in Mexico and what spoke
• 31:12
  at first not Miguel' s moon with miles and hard. We don'
• 31:17
  t know how long, but for now it' s still in the midst
• 31:18
  of adjustments and hopes. It was said by our columnist, our correspondent,
• 31:22
  Gustavo Farrari, Golfo Son and it is already on the social network. I
• 31:26
  like to keep saying pay, jasperito and Twitter and not xás trends in Argentina,
• 31:30
  at least the particular issues I follow. Liliana Franco, the journalist,
• 31:37
  because she spoke about education. Yesterday public education, education pays more in the
• 31:41
  nation and they are hit by macri increases to five hundred percent. We'
• 31:45
  re talking about gas, probably medical school, the same thing I just referred
• 31:48
  to about the liena. Franco Adorni, the presidential star also made that they
• 31:52
  will try to avoid indoctrination, will band together an educational reform. I think
• 31:56
  we mentioned something about infoba and at the beginning of the program capo de ser.
• 32:00
  Toto Rassell is the companion driver of this weakened and Mercedes in the formula
• 32:05
  one this with middle Lewie Hamilton, Japanese teachers good the great prize of Japan,
• 32:15
  which is what comes from tonight, the first training at twenty- three
• 32:15
  in thirty, Argentina and so on. That' s where it' s
• 32:21
  happening today. Well, I' m leaving now with my friend Juan to
• 32:24
  see how we' re going. We' ll pause in a little while,
• 32:28
  we' ll be contacting Maria Castellón when she goes out to give college
• 32:34
  classes and at four o' clock in the afternoon about that time. More
• 32:36
  less, we will be closing the program in dialogue with our collomnist, political
• 32:40
  consultant Hugo Aimes well to the pause with Juan and already we return field day
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  well. Fifteen and thirty- six, very nice, twenty- two degrees
• 36:45
  now here in Federal Capital, and they come like this in the next few
• 36:49
  days going down a little bit towards Monday or Tuesday. That maximum of twenty,
• 36:51
  twenty- one minimum cooler. No more dengue. The papillos that the
• 36:53
  government is making of the matter are not the vaccinations or vaccinations that serve us
• 36:59
  the most to prepare them in the north of the country. But nothing.
• 37:02
  The Minister of Education, the Minito de Salud, if he is responsible for
• 37:06
  health, to be tonight apparently the subject and said it or the boatman Adorney,
• 37:09
  but the government making water and there he wanted to appear. Just like
• 37:13
  he hit Miley. It gives you the line of exploitation beyond the moon of
• 37:16
  lying that I was talking about for ariy Voolmonson and for us to be my
• 37:20
  tannita. He beat him for the tacher on the occasion of the Falklands,
• 37:23
  the model and the other day Aquitilog and now hit him for the issue of
• 37:30
  dengue, which says he erases himself completely before the epidefy that well, obviously
• 37:35
  it is political, has no re- election in his district, which is
• 37:39
  the correct thing is pre- candidate to the President. In good, but
• 37:40
  that' s how little an open opposition or criticism of Miley poses within the
• 37:45
  suffering actors to this government that seeks to distract, that seek to peep recently
• 37:52
  in Millay and but it is not an anti- corruption discourse against the caste
• 37:55
  in an international forum organized by him, the great specialist in the matter,
• 38:00
  who is José Luis Manzano was a spretadist in corruption. The former Minister of
• 38:05
  the Interior and Member of Parliament read interesting and thought- provoking. Never,
• 38:10
  as was Inda omereniac In her colleague, never as now, did we as
• 38:15
  humanity have more access to information or more possibilities and platforms to debate all the
• 38:25
  issues. However, what should have enriched us in matter of thought says Inde
• 38:30
  Pomereniacs Come was niex forgiveness pomera nek forgiveness, pomeranet forgiveness difficult episode is what
• 38:37
  should have enriched us in matter of thought It froze in the narrowness of binarism.
• 38:44
  The black white bias, there are no nuances that are in the middle.
• 38:47
  That is why the one who opposed quinnerism in the case of one or
• 38:52
  criticized now cannot be a means. I say that I tell you that there
• 38:55
  is a change, that has to complement its change, but that not necessarily.
• 38:58
  The only change is this one of me We' re here, or
• 39:02
  we' re there, says Pomera a niec. We all think that the
• 39:07
  reason is on our side and that we also have with the topic networks,
• 39:09
  not that we follow, or the networks also in the subject of algorithms give
• 39:15
  us the reason, they enclose the networks in the same circle of people who
• 39:20
  think just like us. We all think that reason is at our side and
• 39:22
  no one cares or feels it necessary to deepen the exchange of ideas. Then,
• 39:28
  messing with this concept of Inde Pomeraniec that, as never before in humanity,
• 39:32
  we had so many, we had so many possibilities and platforms to debate.
• 39:36
  And yet, we each keep their eyes on one side and on the
• 39:39
  other, and we don' t go to the middle, but we get
• 39:43
  a little fancied. And this has to have been the subject of algorithms for
• 39:46
  which we follow or are a little bit. So, in any of these
• 39:51
  many social networks, I had promised to dialogue with María Castillone and director of
• 39:54
  six economic sections, so we will fulfill it and that also meet us good
• 40:00
  afternoon day. Fernando, Greetings. How are you? What are you?
• 40:02
  Fernando? How you doing so well. Thank you for being the good guy
• 40:10
  to see what happens to the Monetary Fund, Caputo' s trip, the
• 40:15
  needs say fifteen zero million dollars to get out of the stocks calmly and not
• 40:22
  forced, devaluing pressures from the Fund itself seem to be once again, pressures
• 40:27
  from exporters' field oil evaluators in the face of a fairly low exchange rate.
• 40:31
  You' ll tell me if you think he' s late or not.
• 40:35
  Today we have, for example, the Blue, at the limit of
• 40:37
  almost three digits of nine thousand. I counted on like one thousand fifty-
• 40:40
  nine and the dollar mepsi in three digits nine hundred ninety- eight. Okay.
• 40:45
  I' m gonna start at the end of your question. It'
• 40:49
  s impossible if you want to shun the Dale Dale Bank Fund, if it
• 40:52
  ' s going to be plotted. It started on December 13, the day
• 40:57
  that that leap was defined, the official exchange rate that was ridiculously low at
• 41:01
  that time, at three hundred and fifty pesos with a regime of eight hundred
• 41:07
  make two cortiso monthly, knowing, obviously, that jump that was higher that
• 41:10
  out there was estimated at the beginning, but with a mattress, obviously,
• 41:15
  because any change of price relative releases of price controls plus illustration defining it was
• 41:22
  obvious that we were going to solarly, initially of alfiltration. So, obviously
• 41:24
  there was a look there that was going to eat inflation, the official exchange
• 41:30
  rate gain. That, no doubt as time goes by. Obviously, that
• 41:36
  ' s impacting and it' s within what would be the forecast when you
• 41:40
  saw the monetary scheme, the reality is that my inflation is doing the same
• 41:46
  or I' d say something less than out there what was expected at the
• 41:51
  beginning, at least in our case, not too far away, but something
• 41:57
  smaller and we' re expecting inflation. It' s good March that they
• 42:00
  didn' t close two comma seven at the Gran Buenos Aires level. April
• 42:04
  could be close to twelve with the increase the age taripaso, but maybe inside
• 42:07
  it could be a little lower. That' s going to help, but
• 42:13
  obviously they were very high inflations and for male, as anticipated a few moments
• 42:15
  of the setting may be much lower. We open it in a comfortable digit.
• 42:20
  That' s not what' s good news. Pursue or nine by
• 42:22
  the way May. Now I take out the number eight, nine percent on
• 42:24
  plus that cold, something like that could be less than eight. It could
• 42:29
  also be less than eight because when you look at the ad, you'
• 42:32
  re already running that eight coma eight or a little above the last eight four
• 42:37
  weeks. And if we get out that in May you' re not going
• 42:40
  to practically cut off tariff increases more than a little bit of a raise and
• 42:45
  a month' s inflation in some books, well, that' s good
• 42:47
  news. Let' s say the hand is that in Abri was going to
• 42:52
  win well, obviously the strong impact of the gas sum, which was very
• 42:54
  late, but which is a very very significant jump. Not said this,
• 43:00
  obviously in inflation, being more than two more inflation if you want the world
• 43:02
  will be zero and a half phone, a two and a half points changi.
• 43:07
  Obviously, the equation gives you that you' re going into dollars.
• 43:12
  Now still this type of champion, considering that not in the exported, receives
• 43:16
  twenty percent of the financial dollar. It' s an acceptable exchange rate.
• 43:22
  It' s the best, it' s not likely to depend on the
• 43:27
  sector, but it' s not a sustainable exchange rate. In fact,
• 43:30
  it is fifteen percent above what was the real exchange rate that there was,
• 43:34
  especially in two thousand seventeen years, that we were already without sepo, from
• 43:37
  the beginning two thousand sixteen without dry and where the colony was growing, obviously,
• 43:44
  when one who knew also generated challenges that rate change so low. The
• 43:50
  day eight funding was cut off and no more at the end of April two
• 43:52
  thousand and eighteen we had a problem. Now is a critical moment, real
• 43:57
  exchange rate. We do not have it good relative international prices lower than last
• 44:04
  year on corn leaves, but they are good prices and above all an important
• 44:08
  issue, or two more important ones. The first is that the gap today
• 44:12
  is low and you consider the ivuestro country. If you evaluate them you would
• 44:17
  be with a problem with the financiers, they would not stay below the officer,
• 44:22
  something rare not and have such a postponed gap and a Central Bank that
• 44:28
  keeps buying every good day that marks that, ultimately, you should not be
• 44:32
  so in a hurry to correct, why? Moreover, because correcting the official
• 44:37
  exchange rate, we know, has an effect on inflation. It' s
• 44:39
  not that it explains inflation, because, ultimately, it doesn' t apply
• 44:43
  to the girl, the money, but the short term, the price of
• 44:46
  fuels, the basic energy, the base in mouth husband, the oil,
• 44:52
  foods that are have an important component. So if you jump the gold as
• 44:53
  an officer, you would have a jump or an increase back in price and
• 44:59
  also in the ugly expectations of a society that today knowing a desperation and the
• 45:04
  illustration that we had very high and that is enormously acting on its male goat,
• 45:07
  then you would not gain too much by evaluating and you have a lot
• 45:12
  to take. As for expectations, in terms of late price corrections, with
• 45:15
  which we saw a discreet assessment scenario if we see that, as soon as
• 45:21
  the balance is normalized, the Central Bank and weights are raised and still have,
• 45:24
  and especially with the Fijian anchor, the government does not generate defiles,
• 45:29
  that is to say that it does not have to issue new weights, although
• 45:34
  you are issued many still kept from the old eficiits. You could go freeing
• 45:40
  the Dry And there you go with your first part of the question. Well,
• 45:45
  what it takes to free the brain, you really couldn' t release
• 45:49
  it to the stocks. Today, the problem you have has a Central Bank
• 45:51
  that still has negative reserves. Although he corrected a lot, you still have
• 45:57
  many pesos withheld. That brings you to a central bank, which doesn'
• 46:00
  t have too much room to deal with any strong demand to go from peso
• 46:07
  to dollar. So it seems to me that, prudently because of that,
• 46:12
  given the huge inflation and the injection of the economy, the government is not
• 46:17
  wanting to get out kind so fast we are jumping. I think that in
• 46:20
  a few months we' ll be releasing what we don' t know that
• 46:22
  if you go, you' ll give it all or part. And the
• 46:25
  question is, you need a disbursement to the fund to go and say I
• 46:30
  don' t know if, in the end, what the government is saying
• 46:34
  Some days says yes, another says no. It' s not true,
• 46:36
  it' s just that it could have some certain standards, as it did
• 46:39
  in its time for I when it maxi pain, kind that actually had contingent
• 46:44
  funds to give a signal of greater central long strength that were never used at
• 46:47
  the time' s end. People fight from the good bottom. It could
• 46:52
  be monetary, it could be private, it could be private with support from
• 46:54
  the Fund. We don' t know, or it could happen and come
• 47:00
  out that one or for a few months. Product that continues with this process
• 47:01
  of strengthening the Central Bank. Don' t open the heat. Today you
• 47:07
  get money for this from private, dive banks. It does not yet seem
• 47:15
  to me that to the extent that the government that shows its ambition and I
• 47:19
  believe that there is a tool that could help a lot if it is concrete,
• 47:23
  that is to sanction the famous May Agreement or with the ten points to
• 47:27
  the May Pact, and that obviously requires some agreement with the basic law.
• 47:31
  That I think is the road map that you have to look at to see
• 47:35
  the times in terms of the evolution of all this, because it is important
• 47:38
  the basic law, because because it gives the government more tools for the justification
• 47:42
  to be done in a slightly more orderly way and, moreover, without other
• 47:45
  ingredients that take away costs from the private sector. As for regulation and talking
• 47:50
  about the chapter of labor reform, we have to see if it is incorporated
• 47:52
  into the basic law and if it is passed, which would allow us to
• 47:57
  give more signs for invasion and to abandon that is something that is obviously a
• 48:01
  key step towards a recovery of the economy. And there if the bow would
• 48:07
  open the type so that investments can enter by covid There are many sectors that
• 48:12
  there is some investment, they have, but great ducation there is not,
• 48:15
  because today the one that does not enter dollars, if it can not take
• 48:19
  it out later, then that would be like the end of a process where
• 48:23
  I think that priority is first to achieve the wanted fiscal and to lower inflation
• 48:29
  or at least the thick administration and to be like having a digit in a
• 48:36
  sustainable way and then the institutional legs to be able to give tools, to
• 48:39
  be able to open the dry and that the economy can, beyond bouncing,
• 48:45
  start to grow in a way a little bit of a more sustainable, anchored
• 48:52
  in areas that Argentina today has of enormous, enormous opportunity and that the world
• 48:58
  is looking at, but that is also waiting for additional geniuses to be able
• 49:04
  to put them out in Argentina to see many vectors of what you were talking
• 49:07
  about one of the many we see some that we have a little time with
• 49:09
  this type of foreign investment change. We' re not expensive. It'
• 49:12
  s convenient for a foreign investor. We' re talking about real economy more
• 49:15
  than you finance. Investing in Argentina. Okay. I believe that the problem
• 49:19
  today is not whether it is so much the exchange rate, because there are
• 49:21
  sectors that are still super attractive, energy, in fact, cowy, but
• 49:28
  those that have some special regime, where they are guaranteed, let' s
• 49:35
  say, availability of foreign exchange. Invertion' s already looking perfect. The
• 49:37
  very relevant and legacies investment by PS that is mixed, no, but that
• 49:40
  coordinate national states but also private companies. I don' t think it'
• 49:45
  s such a cost problem. I' m in terms of exchange rate.
• 49:50
  If you have the problem of labor contingency, contingencies, gambling arrangements and,
• 49:54
  as I said before, a regime where you had the dollars, you have,
• 49:58
  in fact, I would use to say transfer of inter company loans that
• 50:04
  you cannot cancel. So that' s all you get in the short run.
• 50:08
  Today is affecting you enormously. It seems to me that the exchange rate
• 50:13
  in fact you do not have to end the real exchange rate you can determine
• 50:16
  in the very short term and in Argentina I had almost nothing. In fact,
• 50:20
  the last map evaluation lasted a month because inflation ate it, because it
• 50:23
  didn' t have this it seemed yes, in passing you said inflation is
• 50:30
  to see or ask. It is only or centrally a monetary issue. What
• 50:37
  in taking inflation, tame taxation, depends centrally or practically only on your view
• 50:45
  of the monetary. And I' d tell you the money. But first
• 50:52
  the fiscal, because the fiscal today what humanity slept. Yes, I mean,
• 50:55
  first if you, if you don' t give a sign that you
• 51:01
  ' re going to spend what you have, you' re not going to.
• 51:02
  You have to ask me more from the Central Bank, more than you
• 51:07
  claim you live them, in fact, more when it came up as a
• 51:10
  mesc economy, said we have to finance one more gossip with the Central Bank,
• 51:15
  and it did it indirectly in a brutal way. So I don'
• 51:17
  t have cheribdoxcal today that I don' t have credibility, that I'
• 51:22
  ve failed and that, besides, I' m off the mark. Then
• 51:23
  it won' t be credible. That' s why I' m telling
• 51:25
  you, the gypsy leg is nailed. The second currency is necessary condition,
• 51:30
  because, in addition to the problem of new luxuries, I have a stock
• 51:34
  problem of that which I am issuing in the past, which are held in
• 51:38
  the easy space, then it keeps coming out. The central snoring balance is
• 51:43
  very important and today what is being seen is that the monetary base, that
• 51:47
  is, the pestos, where the lumps did not change, be equal nominally.
• 51:51
  But you still have to figure it out. Part of the weights you
• 51:53
  have saved. You' re helping him because you haven' t found out
• 51:59
  a little lower. Another part, you took it out with the bonds or
• 52:01
  real ones that were pinsos that you had kept from debts to importers. But
• 52:06
  since you didn' t give him dollars, you gave him, you told
• 52:09
  him that I still don' t authorize you to deposit the dollars and those
• 52:15
  deposits ended up at the Central Bank. They generate those interests for you.
• 52:17
  You haven' t finished it yet so it doesn' t finish lowering the
• 52:22
  sentenceal expectation and in the short time you obviously have these price corrections that in
• 52:28
  the short term are inflation. As long as you wouldn' t match it
• 52:30
  monetaryly. Those leaps of relative facts later are not eternalized, let' s
• 52:35
  say, not fascinated in time, because you can' t validate it cononitarianly.
• 52:38
  I mean, it' s monetary. Above all, obviously, as
• 52:42
  you were told May, you have a direct effect of the change of portions
• 52:46
  of Tarifa and the spending of the law you are going to give two points
• 52:52
  seconds, but you are not going to take it out in time. In
• 52:52
  fact, many prices of the economy today especially where you have it. They
• 52:58
  were very high, even with regard to costs, because it was very difficult
• 53:01
  to spend for the dams. Yeah, and here it was going to happen
• 53:05
  with the kind of financial truck, what was going to happen to the officer,
• 53:07
  what was going to happen spuriously and sumo if there were to be price
• 53:12
  controls. Let' s say so many, so many uncertainties, that there
• 53:15
  are many prices left ais we are seeing today in our survey, that is,
• 53:20
  in march. There were nominal reductions in prices of electrodo- mexicos,
• 53:24
  of quite significant electronic products, so much so that our neither went down during
• 53:30
  March year. It also has to do with the touch- up not in
• 53:34
  many cases it does not have to be about this clear, about snuffing as
• 53:45
  it is, as it has to see, obviously, that it is not
• 53:49
  a single thing, but I did not see that it said yes, yes,
• 53:53
  yes, yes, just the flow that the economy is also like hour
• 53:57
  we have much less like the normal one. We had an excess of consumption,
• 54:00
  but for the bad reasons that it is people ran out and guando you
• 54:05
  would see ho do all the weights in the series, yes, take out
• 54:09
  the pieces pre- emptively and also demand dollars in their moments of height that
• 54:13
  today they are selling. Not all because it does not reach them the tasting,
• 54:16
  but they used the management of what is called the flow, the short
• 54:20
  - term stop, instead of healing it in fishbook, in the animal investment
• 54:22
  fund that we made another one giving a saving box with high insation and not
• 54:27
  knowing what was going to happen. They don' t love me, they
• 54:29
  bought dollars I buy learning, but they weren' t savings dollars, long
• 54:32
  coffees in dollars and short- term management, because in the face of uncertainty
• 54:37
  we were going to know what was going to fire all that people the typical,
• 54:42
  they were about sure, of course, just like why the hours we
• 54:44
  see it so low. The lu almost again at the edge of the three
• 54:45
  digits reached one thousand two hundred, one thousand two fifty at the end of
• 54:50
  January. For putting up a case. I can' t also talk about
• 54:52
  the opposite of liqui, but I can put the most popular, the blue,
• 54:54
  because the blues nothing but a thousand. Whether we say it or not,
• 54:58
  I don' t know if it' s anything else, but I
• 55:02
  mean, yeah, well I' d say it' s a combination of
• 55:02
  coastline. There is a component that has to do with expectations, but that
• 55:07
  said before as at that time many people of bandós dollars as refuge, as
• 55:12
  always happens in values and was totally say when one adjusted because infrachico, change
• 55:17
  of panic. The opposite is happening today, if not, for if the
• 55:23
  government maintains the one we gave gristal, if not, inflation is falling,
• 55:28
  if not. But we' ve stayed a bit changed and so goes the
• 55:30
  center bank is buying dollars and in the short term horo has senses that winning
• 55:34
  the left, even if it gains little weight. I prefer an interesting house,
• 55:37
  but there are people, there are some who also and there is a
• 55:40
  lot of sale to say, many economic people taking out dollars offers. I
• 55:44
  ' ll change your wallets, just like sometimes to change Cartira and others,
• 55:49
  because it' s like I tell you, they used it for liquidity management
• 55:52
  shelter. You have a combination of sa. There aren' t so many
• 55:55
  asking for dollars in the financiers the same thing happens, and besides, it
• 56:00
  ' s bloodthirsty. He' s fed too because there' s 20%.
• 56:01
  Well, you' ve long been a part of the export. I
• 56:05
  love the financier who feeds. We lack the financial as well and there is
• 56:09
  interest today to enter Argentina partial because, as I say, to set dry,
• 56:15
  but there is some of that also then today this is happening and it
• 56:19
  does not seem that that scenario will change in the short term. No,
• 56:22
  and in fact, the argument is if you' re going to see the
• 56:28
  fpo completely. You have demand for dollars or you have yes and some believe
• 56:30
  in Chepara I' m able to tell my parent that I' m staying.
• 56:35
  I stay in prison knowing that I can go to the dollar when I
• 56:38
  want to invest in Argentina and something not that gives me profitability can also happen,
• 56:43
  that is, that can enter dollars you can get out. As we
• 56:45
  say, it is not that it is obvious that you should systematically raise financial
• 56:51
  donation at some point, if there is inflation, nominally it should correct.
• 56:54
  Yeah, not in the short run, either. We see him going and
• 57:00
  towards something very high, because besides, now he' s coming is sonally
• 57:04
  a season throws. That' s what we started with. You told me
• 57:07
  that not by expectations and so on, the government shouldn' t. Now
• 57:10
  I' m talking to you at the beginning, and I' m saying,
• 57:13
  you see. Everywhere the pressures. Let' s say it will be.
• 57:15
  Of course, there is also a bit of some background documents. The
• 57:19
  government is going to resist There' s going to be a good harvest.
• 57:22
  In spite of this, let' s say or as someone told me an
• 57:28
  economist has passed, they will liquidate by starting the minimum and they will wait
• 57:30
  a little bit for clarification it will gradually liquidate the exporters, already the thick
• 57:35
  harvest from the next few weeks looks in February. It seemed more difficult today
• 57:40
  every time we see or people screen or people are believing more than the government
• 57:45
  what they say will not be, that will heal. For now this scheme
• 57:50
  and that is not governed, because when one believes that this is going to
• 57:54
  happen, you see it in the futures and are settling in a scenario of
• 57:59
  no short- term evaluation with which pressures will always exist, because they will
• 58:02
  always want a case hello. And it' s all obvious. I think
• 58:07
  they' re getting more and more plumbing. We' re going to talk
• 58:09
  about it especially well. He' s already normalizing six payments at the impo
• 58:13
  stations slowly, and he' s still buying you I need it. So
• 58:16
  it seems to us today he makes a prize to make this joint, not
• 58:22
  like they' re Distinguished a lot of things. The payment of important is
• 58:23
  being regularized, María is being regularized the import pau. By some critics say
• 58:28
  good the centennial did buy more than ten zero million, but the reserves were
• 58:31
  fortified good round number not between five and six thousand because it continues to kick
• 58:37
  payment importers. Which he was most criticized for. The government is doing the
• 58:40
  same thing Blah, blah. There is a rule that they imposed on that
• 58:45
  13th of December which implied that it is now true. There' s no
• 58:49
  uncertainty. There are many products you get paid in about thirty days. There
• 58:52
  are others who pay in posts on two or three things. That' s
• 58:54
  why I' m saying just now. Now we' re being organized,
• 58:55
  which has felt like you' re going to get into it like the system.
• 58:59
  The ruin has already begun to work and on the new wheel. So,
• 59:02
  there' s no kicking about that. But the rule itself consisted of
• 59:07
  kicking because you had it. I do in fours of those imports. But
• 59:09
  it is very different from juice in the previous period, where there was total
• 59:14
  discretion not in payment first the first time that even six months were parted and
• 59:16
  forced to walk six months all payments and then, in reality, there was
• 59:20
  a lot of discretion, with different legal obstacles, concreteness and corruption, and
• 59:25
  corruption also correction. As well as not, besides that, you ended it
• 59:29
  by putting in some prices at the end of the day, that is,
• 59:31
  it doesn' t benefit you anything because you liquidate less import dollars, but
• 59:36
  the dollars you saved, why you didn' t evaluate it. Then he
• 59:38
  didn' t pay more for the import. You ended up paying it,
• 59:40
  because they transferred it to you anyway they don' t use dollars, but
• 59:45
  they didn' t transfer you the financial cost of not being able to pay
• 59:51
  the import, the cost of the comma. All those costs put us in
• 59:52
  the grounds, which was very, very, very bad and fisso. What
• 59:55
  is there today you have a prís. It is finishing normalizing now because they
• 1:00:01
  will reach the deadline of the last quota here is what they pay in four
• 1:00:06
  few, for which reason the doubt of the measure that advances the time.
• 1:00:09
  More payments are started to be recorded, because everything comes into effect. We
• 1:00:14
  ' re going to start selling dollars to the central fungus and for now it
• 1:00:17
  ' s not happening. The strong liquiation and it has not yet started,
• 1:00:21
  but a lot of movement is being seen to change towards the ports. What
• 1:00:25
  we' re seeing is that white also, after a lousy harvest last year,
• 1:00:29
  there are some who need to liquidate, also with which I would relativize
• 1:00:32
  that. I think obviously, some people who have one can wait and speculate,
• 1:00:40
  but they' ll be names. There' s not much of it
• 1:00:43
  today. It' s not the stuff we' re going through. Surely
• 1:00:45
  in this or when ok good three or four short feet and I already run
• 1:00:50
  the next interview, when the FM seems to run left in quotation marks.
• 1:00:54
  The government asks for more social restraint, not about a plant to goals and
• 1:01:00
  so on, What does it sound like, let' s say short by
• 1:01:04
  itself. When I tell him, he did it all the time. Like
• 1:01:07
  this. This salvanteria is not the first that they do, in fact,
• 1:01:10
  in the program with masses, with the same, with more on fulfillment,
• 1:01:17
  nothing. Today was an extension. It has been social, caring for the
• 1:01:20
  social, caring for social sustainability. And this, I believe, are quotation
• 1:01:23
  marks that were added after several failures in programs of raised by the Government of
• 1:01:29
  the Monetary Fund both the last experience where it did not raise us the day,
• 1:01:32
  but that ended badly by the fiscal demand that there were in two thousand
• 1:01:37
  eighteen two thousand, but that there were not let us say did not raise
• 1:01:42
  our heads, that ended complicated, as in the two thousand one. The
• 1:01:44
  memory of two thousand one, where it ended directly, did not give us
• 1:01:46
  the last disbursement and that triggered the end. They see it as a new
• 1:01:52
  political correction, so to speak, international guaco. Let' s just say
• 1:01:57
  I see it exactly as that and if you look at it numbers and I
• 1:02:00
  do time for the government. The opening of the, the cost elbow took
• 1:02:02
  care of some expenses. In fact, the universal child allowance, the food
• 1:02:07
  card, and now the two thousand ten, rose sharply and increased it much
• 1:02:12
  more than inflation. Or the coverage was increased with respect to the basic basket
• 1:02:15
  and plans to sustain it and the retirements after a terrible equation, but pro
• 1:02:21
  product of having maintained the formula the previous government this denebu reverses more from now
• 1:02:27
  on. That is to say, the two March of April you recover in
• 1:02:30
  real terms and in the next year you recover less, but it continues to
• 1:02:34
  recover and at the end of the year it continues like this. Christmas and
• 1:02:35
  in our base scenario, retirement is not going to be nine percent in real
• 1:02:37
  terms above December last year. Obviously, it is a very low level,
• 1:02:42
  but it is good to try to correct it on a street or at the
• 1:02:46
  level of December last year. Nine percent of yes, exactly or not.
• 1:02:52
  This is this being using the formula. It is not the illustration with inflation,
• 1:02:58
  a scenario of moderate moderation. Our moderately low room will be given because
• 1:03:02
  the formula. Let' s say a ball with this one and then squealing
• 1:03:07
  the picture that doesn' t tell you the same formula no, so you
• 1:03:10
  managed to reverse the fall of November December. Let' s say quickly,
• 1:03:16
  especially that of the first, that of January, February, after that of
• 1:03:20
  December, already measured that the months pass and the season of little going down
• 1:03:24
  are recovering you do not see a level clearly, but that is another discussion
• 1:03:29
  that I believe goes within a comprehensive reform. There' s no formula.
• 1:03:32
  You don' t have to figure it out. The good formula of eight
• 1:03:36
  percent you warned in principle. Obviously we took care of the word for May
• 1:03:42
  that you were in economic advisors. When? How long? You' d
• 1:03:45
  get a plausible, acceptable, two three percent by the end of the year.
• 1:03:49
  Let' s say to I don' t know it seems difficult,
• 1:03:54
  it seems without going to two at the end of this year that the subject
• 1:03:57
  is highlighted by many colleagues. Yours is good. Okay, I put it
• 1:03:58
  down a digit, it' s eight other great good is what had mass,
• 1:04:01
  of course say, no area closure back or but beyond all that,
• 1:04:03
  I say how you get down after that improved one digit. Ah the government
• 1:04:08
  is going to be a great act to celebrate the digit. But it actually
• 1:04:11
  opens up that there is something plausible going on the two and the three,
• 1:04:14
  by the time we get to that moment, in theory let' s say
• 1:04:17
  by expectations yes, look here at two things, but it' s not
• 1:04:18
  the same thing. Eight freezing everything and delaying variables that having corrected. No,
• 1:04:25
  but, well, let' s agree that eight is still what you
• 1:04:28
  said you' re still very high for the people' s golfer, which
• 1:04:31
  is very important, but it' s not the same as the dinente at
• 1:04:34
  the head of the future expectation. No, no, it' s not
• 1:04:35
  okay. But that' s fine, but you have to contemporate there with
• 1:04:40
  income. Not because if there are, of course, several trains, we
• 1:04:43
  don' t have our pockets or talk. Likewise there are effectors, or
• 1:04:46
  there are some books that are already having palintharias that are accompanying him quite well
• 1:04:50
  in another very bad meth, always in the subtracted vas with the autonomous treasures.
• 1:04:56
  The Government is also putting in place not so much liberalism. There it
• 1:04:59
  is by setting limits or stepping on some parity. You have Malá, I
• 1:05:01
  don' t like the character. You have Moyano complaining that he is not
• 1:05:04
  approved by the agreement that he signs that he should pull. I think those
• 1:05:08
  are bad during the day. I think that' s kind of not very
• 1:05:11
  transitory. I don' t see it as a permanent look, no,
• 1:05:14
  but good beyond day. At this point, we saw very likely inflation,
• 1:05:18
  or I don' t know if very likely, but likely. If inflation
• 1:05:23
  can be at perhaps four percent per month in the last months of the year.
• 1:05:28
  It' s not two, but it' s a much better number.
• 1:05:31
  That' s why we shut you down this year and what estimate we
• 1:05:34
  probably have is good coming. This obviously goes to us, having twenty-
• 1:05:38
  five twenty, this whole chain that carries administration of about one hundred sixty-
• 1:05:43
  three, hundreds sixty- one hundred sixty- five percent. There are some
• 1:05:46
  colleagues of ours who are still above that who are reviewing the discharge that for
• 1:05:50
  next year. We' re already seeing, as I tell you, starting
• 1:05:54
  communication for four percent a month and then it depends on how firm the policy
• 1:05:59
  we' ve come out of. And obviously, we all leave what we
• 1:06:01
  see. But I think the modern world is faster today. Corrections are taking
• 1:06:06
  place faster and I think it has to do with the fact that the experiences
• 1:06:09
  of high inflation were not so recent. Everything we economists studied, experiences followed
• 1:06:13
  in a world with less technology, and technology that helps not who corrections can
• 1:06:17
  be launched faster up, unfortunately, also down. Not said this, next
• 1:06:24
  year as if to be. Inflation between fifty forty percent will still depend it
• 1:06:30
  ' s too soon to say no, but I think you' re going
• 1:06:34
  to be maybe mid- year next year. There' s that goal that
• 1:06:38
  you set the two- and- a- three percent monthly may be,
• 1:06:45
  but well then bring it down from there to a goal like no, having
• 1:06:46
  the failure of capable promicins that takes us longer. No, but I'
• 1:06:50
  m not telling you such high illustration experiences. There' s nothing but the
• 1:06:56
  mid- 1990s. Let' s say, there' s a lot of
• 1:07:00
  time back from our neighbors that they learned about this thing that we' re
• 1:07:01
  learning. Hopefully, we' re learning from rules that we don' t
• 1:07:05
  have that more than ideology played to lower inflation and leave the central target is
• 1:07:11
  that with hands- free to deal with that, I hope it requires just
• 1:07:16
  with tax dusca and a lot of other rules that Argentina is discussing now.
• 1:07:20
  Not so I say. Having said that, I know, we have no
• 1:07:25
  recent experience. Well, this capable and experience and technology is one that'
• 1:07:28
  s a little faster. But, but history shows that that' s not
• 1:07:30
  so fast to solve. Do not gdar inflations and five percent per year more
• 1:07:36
  difficult to fall from twenty a year or fifteen years to five that maybe from
• 1:07:42
  two hundred made understand that to fifty is more. We' d say thank
• 1:07:49
  you so much for having a long talk. Thank you, thank you,
• 1:07:51
  not a taste at all. Maria Chillen and director of that and economic theorists
• 1:07:56
  here in popular construction, is obviously director of system like Camiletecornei, which is
• 1:08:00
  part of our body of columnists, also sometimes comes out, Sometimes you go
• 1:08:02
  out, Sometimes we send audio recorded. Okay, let' s talk the
• 1:08:06
  show to the fiancées after four o' clock in the afternoon. Or there
• 1:08:09
  was a little aime and I touch them twenty- five because I have to
• 1:08:14
  fly out to look for Don A Valentina Mauri from his fourth degree division to
• 1:08:20
  see well, said Maria Casti, optimistic lion, forty fifty percent inclement prones
• 1:08:25
  coming. By the middle of next year, we can be in a cough
• 1:08:30
  three percent more plausible, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et
• 1:08:33
  cetera. Well, let' s see if I have Don nuby on line
• 1:08:38
  less minutely and say hello, yes, don cool me good afternoon, how
• 1:08:43
  are you doing? Okay. Thank you for giving us a taste a taste
• 1:08:47
  once again good to see how Kislov' s positioning, which inexorably has to
• 1:08:55
  be pre- candidate President, has no reflection in province. I see him
• 1:09:00
  positioning as well as the few of oppositional frontality and with some skill. I
• 1:09:05
  would say marking the Atacher on the theme of April 2, Milaye' s
• 1:09:09
  taste for the Tatcher. And now I' m going to go out with
• 1:09:13
  the issue also to criticize the government for the issue that, as it released,
• 1:09:15
  for example, for the issue of dengue the forehead that if it is
• 1:09:24
  a governor of the province of Buenos Aires. That' s always a problem.
• 1:09:28
  I' m not saying,' cause he' s got enough trouble
• 1:09:34
  to solve. Okay, it' s the only figure there is. Peronism
• 1:09:39
  can show that it is known nationally. But, well, it seems to
• 1:09:47
  me that we have to wait, because he' s his story, it
• 1:09:54
  ' s a very close story to Cristina and let' s say that today
• 1:10:03
  she' s quite Cristina seems quite questioned by the historic electoral of Peronism.
• 1:10:04
  I don' t think we need to see how it develops. Let'
• 1:10:09
  s say it was clear, it was the confrontation that he has with maximum.
• 1:10:14
  Let' s say how he plays Criptis. He' s the one
• 1:10:18
  who talked about going to another song. I don' t remember that last
• 1:10:20
  year and that' s why it would also be yes yes, he talked
• 1:10:25
  about another song, playing another song and I think he' s getting it.
• 1:10:30
  Let' s say what Peronism is. Let' s not say in
• 1:10:33
  the good sense that he is part of it and not that he is someone
• 1:10:38
  who because he studied and had Marxist formation. I don' t know.
• 1:10:43
  There' s no evolution in the governor, but well he' s a
• 1:10:48
  young man. We have to wait for him. The thing is, you
• 1:10:50
  seem too early to talk about running. I fell for what I wanted to
• 1:10:57
  see. I wanted to mark it more than that schism. Bly is going
• 1:11:00
  to be an opponent, that there are very few lust voices there are three
• 1:11:02
  or four you. It seems that in the firmament that come out to question
• 1:11:06
  harshly to my law let' s say at some point lu already weeps note,
• 1:11:11
  but they are negotiating. The erasers are in need. But I say
• 1:11:14
  there are few figures that good, Cristina, exposing with some letter, but
• 1:11:17
  that go straight they beat you a figure that, in theory and you will
• 1:11:21
  tell me also now, is quite popular. Or you keep a certain honeymoon
• 1:11:26
  like the President' s, so head- on against him. Let'
• 1:11:30
  s say I think we' re going through a logical process. It takes
• 1:11:33
  four months of government, three months and long, not long, because we
• 1:11:40
  ' re going to take you away, nothing, fifteen, three months and
• 1:11:45
  fifteen days. You can' t say no here, and it seems to
• 1:11:49
  me that the level of expectation it generates is logical. But I would also
• 1:11:58
  like to make it clear that this expectation only reaches. It doesn' t
• 1:12:04
  reach his or her own voters. Not that it' s very clear,
• 1:12:11
  because the level of expectation. If you measure a question or think that things
• 1:12:15
  are going to be here a year from now and there' s a forty
• 1:12:19
  - seven percent that says better, things are going to be better, it
• 1:12:24
  ' s more, if I want you to reach people who say good things
• 1:12:27
  are okay. We' re three hundred and fifty, but he took out
• 1:12:30
  fifty- six percent of you, I mean, he has to give you
• 1:12:32
  fifty, the best of cases, fifty- six, of course, means
• 1:12:36
  that he doesn' t get to generate expectation in his own voters as a
• 1:12:41
  whole, not something that' s a little strange. Let' s say
• 1:12:45
  if you look at the history of the Presidents, of the last presidents in
• 1:12:49
  the one in Argentina, you happen to face it. Never, never gets
• 1:12:53
  caught, never faced an adjustment like this also says one also collateralizes with that
• 1:12:57
  not that of which it has lost is the reading, but much, lost
• 1:13:00
  little in function of the mega adjustment that it is making unpublished in the history
• 1:13:03
  of Argentina. I could practically say one who lost little in quotes to see
• 1:13:10
  the people who voted for it. If you start to try in the middle
• 1:13:15
  of the social process, you voted it assuming that he was going to have
• 1:13:25
  between one and two years of difficulty in governing previous studies. We had qualitative
• 1:13:33
  studies that people said we have to give two years to my law because it
• 1:13:39
  is going to have caste, it is going to have populism, it is
• 1:13:42
  going to oppose everything that is traditional. Well, then he assumes in that
• 1:13:49
  context, in a concept that has to be understood in Argentina. I'
• 1:13:59
  d like to think about it in these terms. When the card was the
• 1:14:02
  backbone of the Peronist movement and the Argentine society was supposed to fight against the
• 1:14:12
  powers, it was because the formalized workers were the majority now the informal workers
• 1:14:19
  are the majority and it is the truth that Milay largely represents those informal workers
• 1:14:30
  who are more than the formal ones, who are the ones who have felt
• 1:14:35
  totally unprotected by the State. And then there they quickly engage with the speech
• 1:14:42
  of my law and the speech of freedom. I can' t say it
• 1:14:45
  ' s freedom, it would be quick and hard- working rap hands and
• 1:14:47
  so on. That. According to that there were figures. Yeah, well,
• 1:14:49
  well, yeah, yeah, to pose them easily. Well, he
• 1:14:53
  also spent eight million against six million. Somehow. Now the pre tip is
• 1:15:02
  all that electorate of my law, not because then we have the Master'
• 1:15:08
  s degree that was added up later, but let' s say that Milen
• 1:15:13
  who is the most rebellious, the most anti- state, the one who
• 1:15:17
  can love him tells all the politicians, not even Bacry, trajemono. Let
• 1:15:23
  ' s just say the one you' re telling Miley is you take the
• 1:15:28
  stone out of the shoe, that is, it gets me down. General
• 1:15:31
  inflation. There is the economics that the dollar does not go up with the,
• 1:15:38
  with the insecurity and until I can develop the question is if that does
• 1:15:43
  not happen, what happens then in three months. That can' t be
• 1:15:47
  valued by anyone, because the beginning, people are blamed by the previous government.
• 1:15:54
  So the question I would ask myself is good, now, with three
• 1:15:58
  hundred percent of the gas, with three with three hundred percent, also of
• 1:16:01
  the light, with this a state that is with economic recession, with lower
• 1:16:10
  consumption, well, how much longer will it take people to say, your
• 1:16:16
  time ended, my waiting time ended. We don' t know that today.
• 1:16:21
  If we know or six months, we came six months, let'
• 1:16:26
  s say well, one year two, as I said, no, that
• 1:16:29
  ' s right, let' s say there' s fifty percent of the
• 1:16:32
  population that says up to six months and there' s another forty- seven
• 1:16:36
  or so that says tea. I give between six months and this and whatever
• 1:16:43
  it takes, not between nine, nine months and whatever it takes, then.
• 1:16:48
  That' s split in two. The subject. That' s why
• 1:16:53
  the question is to what extent we say it. This idea that the dollar
• 1:16:59
  is stable and inflation is low, which is what is generating the process of
• 1:17:02
  expectations, then it is not actually reversed. But finally, in the end
• 1:17:11
  I can' t buy. You can' t produce no without getting work,
• 1:17:17
  so that' s the problem my law is in right now. That
• 1:17:21
  ' s why we said it. That' s a hurry if I see
• 1:17:26
  him He' s already changed the situation with regard to the last time we
• 1:17:30
  talked. If when you start to delve into what the governors have to do
• 1:17:34
  with the actor of May, you have to film it as that in my
• 1:17:39
  law or to realize. It must be signed in a similar way. Accept
• 1:17:43
  suggestion from governors and there are clear people not. It doesn' t make
• 1:17:47
  you think so. If you look, accept suggestion from the governors. You
• 1:17:53
  have to accept of all laws Not my law. Fifty percent tell you no,
• 1:17:57
  there' s one like that no, and there' s a thirty
• 1:18:00
  that says no one directly has to reject it. And if you hear and
• 1:18:05
  do a plebiscite to give full powers to look and people also say that you
• 1:18:12
  don' t even go before a thousand LII. I want to say that
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  we are with a President who has half an expectation, but who cannot do
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  everything they want, not only because the political leadership puts him, but let
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  ' s say, in the legislatures, in the national legislature, but also
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  because the people say that I am not willing to have them be neron or
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  you are not surprised, or that we are my little girl who has dropped
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  five or six points, because she still waits for a despite the plenary or
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  the very strong adjustment, because good are the first months. Kuta people,
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  people can wait six months or what we said doesn' t surprise him.
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  Both the level of approval, which is not the sixties, and some media
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  or colleagues, or management, manipulate. I' ve got it at 45
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  points. The personal image of him if he is at fifty- three points,
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  fifty- five points, as we always say, always more in personal
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  personal images, but always the personal image of any President is more at ten
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  points, more than the discharge. That if you look at Christina Kifner,
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  I saw a selection, but it had positive image balance in the personal,
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  but in the image, but the management didn' t have it. Then
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  one thing should not be confused with or frank when a question at the lens
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  level that the government has, does not reach the fifty points, that is,
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  at forty and something the level of acid. What happens is that people
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  don' t finish defining themselves if that decent positor or there are things I
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  don' t like, but I still don' t define myself as an
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  opponent, because it doesn' t have what to say either. There'
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  s none. We see again, back to what you started with your dialogues.
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  No opponents, no positor speech. I would say these things that began
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  to raise this and silf and which company to propose lustro. It' s
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  the logical things that have to contradict. I say the triad he has there
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  when he says we defend freedom, life and in a third thing, he
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  defends that I don' t remember and say and that' s contradictory,
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  let' s say dens and almost advance is the contradiction with painting life to
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  the forgiveness of the third, the other is private property. If what you
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  ' re going to have is a policy for everyone to lose their dollars.
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  You' re learning against each other' s private property. It does not
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  mean that it seems to me that we see that the opposition still did not
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  realize where it has to stop the situation. But it is not discursive discussion,
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  not because the other question of waiting for the times of society, that
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  system. That' s what some people say, what Cristina Fernández says,
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  I say it' s not easy to be an opponent today at this tide,
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  where at least we' re my little girl, it' s not
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  easy where to stand, it' s not easy to obstruct or not approve
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  or something like that. Some governors, some people say more if I give
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  you the law, so you have no more excuse and then if we give
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  you the law it' s fiscal order. That' s how he doesn
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  ' t have any more excuses. Can' t you use us any more
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  as an excuse that you' re going wrong or don' t take it
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  out? He can' t use us puchinmool anymore to say and they saw
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  it was because they didn' t leave me and blah, blah, blah.
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  I mean, it' s not easy either. I don' t
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  mean to defend Loredo' s, Judge and all unpresentable, but sometimes I
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  say it' s not easy to stand up and be a critical opponent.
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  No. Therefore, it seems to me that the opposition what you have to
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  think is where the proposal of the country, what you can do and from
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  there structure an opposition that people already feel a proposed chick, was that people
• 1:22:09
  feel that they can reflect on it. No, that' s not what
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  happens It' s very not to see, as we' re talking about
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  the few months, so that applies the position. I say with what I
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  counted the devastated land that generated the Miley phenomenon, the division of together by
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  change, defeated Peronism and so on. That' s how it is,
• 1:22:30
  too, as it says. And well, Fernando, it' s normal
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  for Lee to be my little timer, and more or less, it'
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  s also normal for the opposition not to be rearmed or armed at all.
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  Let' s say no, no, no, that' s absolute,
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  that' s clear. No. Likewise an opposition say when Alberto arrived,
• 1:22:47
  when Alberto won, it was clear, let' s say opposite. It
• 1:22:50
  was so dark. No, but it was a different scenario because the opposition
• 1:22:55
  went pretty well. After the glaring break, the pace improved a lot that
• 1:22:59
  took as a lost five to zero by golea in step and ended up powering
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  three to two. If she doesn' t turn to the other one.
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  No. No, we' re not going to hear much, a lot
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  of legislator and two blocks in Congress Let' s say the Boca River,
• 1:23:14
  the bipartisan, biqualitionism remained. Now all that' s been wiped out.
• 1:23:15
  Let' s say one. So or maybe we can be thinking about a
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  situation where Cristina wins Alfonso or the eighty- three. In that yes,
• 1:23:24
  or in the two thousand eleven let' s say where Cristina wins, but
• 1:23:28
  besides nothing, she didn' t also win in the first round and remember
• 1:23:33
  that Miley didn' t win in the first round. That' s why
• 1:23:35
  we were lost. But it' s true, let' s say across
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  the street. It is difficult to articulate a discourse when it is not understood
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  is what the main opponent says wrong, which should be Peronism. The first
• 1:23:47
  thing that has to be answered is where I want to go why I would
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  answer you, what it did wrong Now Yes, you insist on thinking that
• 1:23:58
  you did everything right, thinking about the same country that I thought before and
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  with that you will not be able to move forward. And feronism still thinks
• 1:24:05
  he did everything right. No. It seems to me that what I see
• 1:24:11
  is a strong question. Not only Alberto a Fernández, because Alberto' s
• 1:24:16
  client was always there, he was always very questioned, but also Cristina.
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  It' s not what we' re seeing. The renión tempts him the
• 1:24:25
  maximum, throws Guzmán the guilty Guzman of the first part. I mean,
• 1:24:30
  they' re still in an intern. I' m telling you how to
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  say it wasn' t Alberto, no, but it was Alberto with Guzmán
• 1:24:34
  no. But then he came more and got better. It doesn' t
• 1:24:36
  go on as in the internal rancill to argue, but I' m already
• 1:24:44
  listening to Ferrares who says che let' s stop with this that Cristina handles
• 1:24:45
  everything. Navarro saying let' s stop Cristina handling everything. No, then
• 1:24:50
  it seems to me that there. I hear a joke in fran that says
• 1:24:55
  a similar thing. I hear in governor of the pampas he tells you one
• 1:24:59
  thing to analyze Cristina' s robol. And well, because objectively we have
• 1:25:06
  to analyze it. Finally, it was Cristina who decided to have subsec go
• 1:25:11
  up if Bulu so decided that the President should be Alberto. It was Peronism.
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  It will not be overcome while what happens is good, It remains the
• 1:25:21
  first minority within Peronism, that is, But, on the other hand,
• 1:25:25
  it will not be super or as long as it remains under the influence of
• 1:25:28
  Cristina Fernández. Now, someone who can stop you, there' s someone
• 1:25:30
  who can brown you today or tomorrow jar cries or whatever it was today looks
• 1:25:34
  difficult. No. That' s why I say if from within, good
• 1:25:38
  species postkis nerism. He does as he pleases, but I say he can
• 1:25:43
  perhaps maneuver something Munieque was something, but neither can he see anything overcoming or
• 1:25:49
  post- Cisnerism from an antagonism, speaking always within Peronism. I say no,
• 1:25:53
  but it' s a long process. It' s general, it
• 1:25:56
  seems very good total is going to make you a long process, unless you
• 1:26:00
  start making mistakes. Miley, in economic terms, who makes the opposition is
• 1:26:08
  calm and forced to get you together. Let' s just say that we
• 1:26:14
  don' t know. I don' t think I' m opening an
• 1:26:17
  interesting process for today. We are seeing the emergence of prestigious economists of liberalism
• 1:26:28
  to begin questioning the policy of economic adjustment. Then there we are already starting
• 1:26:35
  to give the first few. Yes, yes, the first problems. Yeah,
• 1:26:42
  totally a taste, as usual. Thank you so much, please,
• 1:26:45
  for a hug. Open leftover lu Waimek in plural construction. Well we had
• 1:26:48
  plenty and a half long to recover yesterday' s absence. Thank you Silvia,
• 1:26:51
  carbajarlo for the preproduction to Juan that we recover with the putting in the
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  air. See you here Tuesday, as usual, starting the week. I
• 1:26:59
  leave them a few minutes before they rest a good weekend for tut bye bye.
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