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I Have No Patience for Jam Hands (S2 E5, "Nick & Nora/Sid & Nancy") · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I Am all In. Oh, I Am all in with
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  Speaker 1: Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Okay, here everybody,
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  Speaker 1: It's Scott Patterson and this is the I Am All
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  Speaker 1: In Podcast I Heart Radio, one of Leven Productions. Amy
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  Speaker 1: smiling because I am doing I am doing my opening
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  Speaker 1: bit and I said I wouldn't do it, but I
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  Speaker 1: like doing it. It makes me feel good, it wakes
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  Speaker 1: me up. I love it. You can. I'm also smiling
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  Speaker 1: because this is like just the best episode. This episode.
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  Speaker 1: But before, okay, before we get to the episode and
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  Speaker 1: we are joined by Riley pellusis today, Hello Riley, how
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  Speaker 1: are you? Um? And Hi? Hi? No, no, you can
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  Speaker 1: say hello Hi you go way hi hii and Uh
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  Speaker 1: and Amy Sugarman. And last night we we did our
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  Speaker 1: first live virtual streaming podcast, Friends Giving. What a huge
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  Speaker 1: success it was. We had a blast. There was a
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  Speaker 1: couple of technical faux pause with Emily Corona, but it
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  Speaker 1: turned out to be uh, you know, kind of the
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  Speaker 1: gift that keeps on giving throughout the podcast, and we
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  Speaker 1: had an incredible time with the greatest fans in the world.
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  Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Um and Uh the coolest dude
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  Speaker 1: who Jackson Jackson like all of them, Like like Grant
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  Speaker 1: was so cool, that Jackson was super cool, Sally was amazing,
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  Speaker 1: Emily what it was amazing the guests that came on,
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  Speaker 1: the fans that came on to ask questions, they had fun.
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  Speaker 1: We love them and I'm so glad. And from what
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  Speaker 1: my colleagues are telling me, the chat rooms were just
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  Speaker 1: filled with activity and exciting. Yeah, great questions. That's the
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  Speaker 1: thing that the fans have the most amazing thoughts and
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  Speaker 1: questions out the show. Yeah, and guess what. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to spring a surprise on you today. And I think
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna like it. I think you're gonna like it.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna love it. It's ten X with
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  Speaker 1: the clown pillow and has been to this. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: a bombshell. It's a bomb. You're gonna fall out of
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  Speaker 1: your chair. Amy, You're gonna fall out of your chair
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  Speaker 1: freaking out. When you send us the text, I got
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  Speaker 1: like nervous. I was like, what could it be? No
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  Speaker 1: reason to be nervous. Scott send us a text and
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  Speaker 1: said like, I have something that's gonna blow y'all's mind.
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  Speaker 1: And now I'm like, what is it? So here's some
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  Speaker 1: good news, right. I was just informed that I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the timeframe is. Is it a couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks out or a couple of months out where people
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  Speaker 1: will be able to download the Friends Giving podcast. They'll
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  Speaker 1: be able to listen to it. I won't be able
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  Speaker 1: to see it, but they'll be able to listen into
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  Speaker 1: it right on Thanksgiving Day, Thanksgiving Day, that's happening. So
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  Speaker 1: you can download our Friends Giving Virtual Event to listen
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  Speaker 1: to it on Thanksgiving Day. It will be available on
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  Speaker 1: the platforms for you to enjoy. So we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do that for you. Keep it special, keep it keep
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  Speaker 1: it real, um, and we are going to discuss, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to discuss this episode. What a huge episode.
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  Speaker 1: So here I have a question right out the gate.
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  Speaker 1: So it's Milo's first appearance, which was amazing and we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. But he's in the credits. So is
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  Speaker 1: that common? Like he's in the credits immediately in the
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  Speaker 1: main credits. Yes. Really, So it was like if you
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  Speaker 1: watch the episode before this one, no Milo in the credits,
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  Speaker 1: and then this one he's there. So so that's the
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  Speaker 1: deal his team made with Warner Brothers or the show said. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you want him on the shows that we curring
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. So I think it was a series regular,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't He suddenly became a series regular. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen the episodes, but I guess he's in
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  Speaker 1: every episode after this or most of them. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's a series regularly. You know, he's got to be
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  Speaker 1: in the main titles. And he was amazing right from
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  Speaker 1: the start. What a handsome dude, Oh my god. And
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  Speaker 1: they dressed him perfectly, like he right right, He looks
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  Speaker 1: a little like how you dress. So there was a
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  Speaker 1: little Luke and him, but then he just looks like
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  Speaker 1: the coolest kid in town, the bad bad guy. There's
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of Luke and him, a lot my god,
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  Speaker 1: and and what a what a what just a great
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  Speaker 1: looking kid, right and and and it was so odd
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  Speaker 1: to see because he you know, I you know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: a smiling, happy uh Milo with a good, great disposition
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  Speaker 1: and loving everybody and and talking everybody up. And then
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  Speaker 1: you see this character and it's like that is so
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  Speaker 1: far or from what Milo really is. And it was
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  Speaker 1: stunning to see it. And it was very very entertaining
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  Speaker 1: because it was like, Wow, he's convincing me. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's really really convincing me. He's a great acting job.
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  Speaker 1: The scene where you push him in the water, it's
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  Speaker 1: just you know, he talked about it before, but it's
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  Speaker 1: just perfect. And that must have been so complicated because
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  Speaker 1: it's a bull walk in talk and then it's just
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  Speaker 1: boot just beautiful, just beautiful. And even he nails going
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  Speaker 1: in the water, yes, And even when he comes up
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  Speaker 1: and looks at me, his attitude change. He was like
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  Speaker 1: he was actually befuddled and shocked and like he'd lost
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  Speaker 1: some power, which you know, you would think would definitely
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  Speaker 1: happen if somebody pushed you into a lake. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, I saw at that time said
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  Speaker 1: point that was not responsible for Luke to do that,
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  Speaker 1: because what if there was a rock in there or something,
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  Speaker 1: or there's some kind of wire or rebar sticking up,
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  Speaker 1: he could have landed on it and been injured or killed.
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  Speaker 1: And I just thought that was terribly responsible. But it's
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  Speaker 1: certainly good television, Oh my gosh. And you're right he
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  Speaker 1: did nail it as he came up, because I really
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  Speaker 1: watched for that that look, with the look, it's look
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  Speaker 1: and the hands kind of right, and the body language
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  Speaker 1: and the whole thing. I mean, that's that's what makes
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  Speaker 1: him so good, right, the physicalization, the physicality of the character.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just shoulders down, you know, right, little slump
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  Speaker 1: forward and a little attitude and just you know that,
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  Speaker 1: even just the way he carries the book. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about all that too, just the book and
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  Speaker 1: the reference at the end, and how he reads as
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  Speaker 1: much as Rory does. I mean, there's so much to
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  Speaker 1: break down. Listen to him in a tight shot. He's
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  Speaker 1: I gotta get back in the gym. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: like insanity kidding me, It's like you could eat breakfast
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  Speaker 1: off his stomach, that kid, Are you kidding me? I
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  Speaker 1: want to bet on you for again? Can I need one?
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  Speaker 1: You four again and be ripped? Please? Well, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna take a little break after that and we
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  Speaker 1: will be back to discuss Jess Mariano. It's coming in
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  Speaker 1: to stir up the pot. We'll be back after these words. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, everybody, we're back and we are talking. What
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  Speaker 1: is the title this thing Jess returns? Is that? Is that?
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  Speaker 1: What he hasn't He hasn't gone any here. We have
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  Speaker 1: never seen him. How can he return when he has
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  Speaker 1: Nick and Nora sitting Nancy? Riley, do you want to
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  Speaker 1: give us? I know it was sitting Nancy and Nick
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  Speaker 1: and Nora. I knew all that infinite playlist. The whole
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  Speaker 1: thing I knew. I knew it was the title. I
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  Speaker 1: know where they're borrowing from. Anyway, So Riley, I guess
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  Speaker 1: you're on with your synopsis and all. And also I
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  Speaker 1: have to say, Scott, one of my favorite songs of
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  Speaker 1: yours was the synopsis song synopsis. This is episode five,
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  Speaker 1: Nick and Nora sit in Nancy Air Date oct One.
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  Speaker 1: Loral lies well intentioned advice falls on deaf ears when
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  Speaker 1: Luke reluctantly takes in his wild seventeen year old nephew,
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  Speaker 1: Jess Well, while Rory finds herself attracted to the town's
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  Speaker 1: newest resident. The synops Oh yeah, the SYNOPSI so did
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  Speaker 1: we actually see that Rory's attracted to him? Yet? I
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  Speaker 1: would say she's intrigued by jess Thoughts, how can you
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  Speaker 1: not be? How could a young woman not be attracted
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  Speaker 1: to that? Yeah, sculpture of a human. You know, Shakespeare
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  Speaker 1: said God made men and he did not make them. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think Jess is the exception what you call it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm brooding? Oh, absolutely absolutely. I mean he was a
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  Speaker 1: young Marlon Brando right there. I mean that kid. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, what do you remember about like cut from
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  Speaker 1: Granite right what? What do you remember about meeting him?
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  Speaker 1: Just that he was such a nice kid, you know
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  Speaker 1: he was he was an unusually mature outgoing but not pushy.
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  Speaker 1: You know. He was just sort of present and friendly
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  Speaker 1: and and kind of you know, engaged and sort of
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  Speaker 1: interested in who you were and you know, good listener,
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  Speaker 1: and he just it was unusual in that in that
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  Speaker 1: regard that he was so mature for his age. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and I just kept saying, well that's this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: every time I worked with him or talking to himself.
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  Speaker 1: You know. My comment to Lauren was, boy, did he
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  Speaker 1: have good parents? You know. And I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 1: anybody was any less spectacular, just that in his case,
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  Speaker 1: it was just like this full package coming at you, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he he's like this incredible looking guy who's
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  Speaker 1: really smart, really nice, really talented, mature beyond his years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was like he's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: superstar and he's nothing like Jess Milow. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: you really see how talented he is because he's just
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  Speaker 1: nothing like that guy. Yeah, real focused performer, you know,
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  Speaker 1: very focused and very you know on what he needs
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  Speaker 1: to do and what he's trying to do, and and
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  Speaker 1: it's just sort of his way of going about it too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't pushy about it, and there was
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  Speaker 1: sort of little suggestions he would make, little things that
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  Speaker 1: he needed for me, and just the way he asked
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  Speaker 1: it was just it was so polite, you know. He
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  Speaker 1: was just a very polite, gentle spirit, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: he got along with everyone right away, with Lauren and Alexis.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah. I mean I don't want to you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to embarrass anybody or let the cat
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  Speaker 1: out of the bag, but I think I'm gonna the
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  Speaker 1: some of the some of the female members of the cast,
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  Speaker 1: uh that were on the younger side. We're doing cartwheels
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  Speaker 1: every time he came around, Okay, so vying for his attention.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually funny to watch. Oh yeah, man, it
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  Speaker 1: was just like hi. And they also you know, if
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  Speaker 1: they were in a bad mood or something and there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because sometimes they get people get tired and
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  Speaker 1: they're get in a bed, but Jess would come around.
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  Speaker 1: They go, oh, hi, yeah, suddenly he's melting hearts. He's
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  Speaker 1: just melting hearts all over the place. This is really
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  Speaker 1: Jess coming. It's really about Luke too, because I would
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  Speaker 1: say this is the biggest episode for Luke. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it really it really, you know, adds to mension
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  Speaker 1: to Luke. He's got a sister we have met, we
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  Speaker 1: really have We haven't met the sister, yes, And now
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  Speaker 1: he's got a nephew and and oh there's a history here.
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  Speaker 1: And we find out that his mother passed away when
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  Speaker 1: when him his sister were kids, and you know, father
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  Speaker 1: had to take on and then we just worked a
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  Speaker 1: diner and work, work, work, that kind of thing. So
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  Speaker 1: do you remember any kind of like a conscious sort
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  Speaker 1: of conversation where they said, hey, we really want to
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  Speaker 1: grow Luke now, because from the first episode you're in
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  Speaker 1: what one maybe two scenes, and now the show is
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  Speaker 1: really starting to revolve around Luke. Yeah. The rumors that
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  Speaker 1: I wrote ten letters a day to the creators end
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  Speaker 1: to Warner Brothers about this very subject are completely over blown.
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  Speaker 1: There's rumors that whatever. So it's just sort of a
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  Speaker 1: natural progression that they don't need my commentary. They don't.
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  Speaker 1: They're not seek Scott. What do you think do you?
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  Speaker 1: They don't come to my trailer and say, Scott, we
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  Speaker 1: need to have a talk with you. We want to
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  Speaker 1: know your opinion on where you think your characters should
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  Speaker 1: go out. But did you notice suddenly you're getting a
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  Speaker 1: script into like we have a lot more? I was happy.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I just I felt good because you're
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  Speaker 1: becoming really a part of it. You know. It's like
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  Speaker 1: you're now you're this integral part of it, and they're
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  Speaker 1: building storylines around it, and they're you know, they're flushing
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  Speaker 1: out the character, giving it more depth to mention. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I just loved it. I love the challenge of it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's like putting in the long hours and
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  Speaker 1: also delivering the performance and you get to work with
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  Speaker 1: some new energy, right, there's new energy there, there's there's
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  Speaker 1: there's Milo to work with. So it was like, oh cool,
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  Speaker 1: this is what seemed like the perfect time to really
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  Speaker 1: bring him on because he stirs up everybody. It's not
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  Speaker 1: just like gonna be a thing for Rory and Dean.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just a thing for you. But he's stirring
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  Speaker 1: it up with Loralae. It's like he's majorly stirring up
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  Speaker 1: the town. Yeah, just when you thought it was safe
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  Speaker 1: to go out at night and starts hollow. Now as
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  Speaker 1: soon as Dean is domesticated, Right, we're not worried about
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  Speaker 1: Dean anymore, are we. No, he's he's fully leashed at
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  Speaker 1: this point and neutered and so so. But you've got
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  Speaker 1: to drop in another one. You thought Dean was bad,
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  Speaker 1: here here we go with a Milo. Did they tell
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  Speaker 1: you sort of the trajectory, like did you do you
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  Speaker 1: remember knowing like, hey, Milo is joining and he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be here for a while. This is going to be
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  Speaker 1: major or is it sort of like you're kind of
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  Speaker 1: learning every week as you go. Um. I do remember
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  Speaker 1: having some conversations about the arc of his character, um,
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  Speaker 1: but not not too much detail, not great detail, just
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  Speaker 1: sort of sort of general notes about it, which is
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  Speaker 1: all I really needed anyway. Um. And they were very
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  Speaker 1: generous in that way to sort of, you know, give
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  Speaker 1: me some guidance, like we're heading to this this this
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  Speaker 1: this beacon and then the next one and then the
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  Speaker 1: next one. But um, no details how we're getting there.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, you have enough time to digest all
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  Speaker 1: that and figure that out for yourself when you get
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  Speaker 1: the script, you know, like ten minutes before you start shooting,
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  Speaker 1: and do you think Luke okay? So we really see
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  Speaker 1: Luke's loyalty to his family. It's like, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: if he wants to do this, this is what you do. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what are your sort of thoughts on what we learned
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  Speaker 1: from about Luke and loyalty and family. It was heartbreaking
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  Speaker 1: for me just from my own personal experience with my family, um,
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  Speaker 1: because that doesn't always apply unfortunately in reality, you do
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  Speaker 1: the best you can and then all of a sudden,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, things happen and you have to
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  Speaker 1: walk away. But um, I think that as a an
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  Speaker 1: ideal for a character arc, if it's a pillar of
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  Speaker 1: a character, then it has to be you know, you
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  Speaker 1: have to follow through on it. And that's just sort
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  Speaker 1: of who Luke is. And there was nothing really Look,
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  Speaker 1: there was nothing really too terrible that was going on
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  Speaker 1: in Luke's life. His sister wasn't too terrible challenging. Us
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  Speaker 1: isn't too terribly challenging. It's not like you know, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of families face far worse than this. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even need to go into it, but I
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  Speaker 1: think for the w B and for family type of show,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's about as intense as it's going to get. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to reflect reality, but it's just it's the
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  Speaker 1: kind of a reality that's not so dark and dangerous,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because because it can't be right,
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  Speaker 1: it can't be for that show. So she's not that bad.
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  Speaker 1: He's just not Rory right, He's right, I mean, who
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  Speaker 1: is who is? So? So it's like, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to give and I think I think they
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  Speaker 1: also realized that the executives also realized that Rory, um,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like she's got her own set of
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  Speaker 1: fans and Laura Lauren has her own set of fans
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  Speaker 1: and there, you know, they do mesh and they do
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  Speaker 1: they do share the fan basis. But you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think Alexis was breaking out on her own, has her
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  Speaker 1: own sort of category of star, right, so in her
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  Speaker 1: own right, she had her own claim to start them
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  Speaker 1: at that point, and her you know, she was bringing
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  Speaker 1: these unexpectedly high level skills to bear on that character.
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  Speaker 1: Um um. So I think they you know, they thought
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  Speaker 1: they could, they could work with her, and like, let's
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  Speaker 1: give her a jest, Let's give her a Paris, she continued,
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  Speaker 1: a whole Paris and to to for lack of a
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  Speaker 1: better term, But I'm just I'm getting so turned off
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  Speaker 1: with Paris. I can't even stand. And I'm some but
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  Speaker 1: but it's so manipulative. Not to jump around so much,
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  Speaker 1: but it's so manipulative. I find myself rooting for Rory
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  Speaker 1: so much and so proud of how she's handling the
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  Speaker 1: situation with Paris. About the whole, it's like flush, the
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  Speaker 1: Paris character doesn't matter. You are just subordinate to making
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  Speaker 1: us like Rory more and more and more and more.
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  Speaker 1: So so it's really interesting device. But uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: back to Jes, Yeah, I think that's just who Luke is, right,
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  Speaker 1: He's family. I'm gonna we're gonna take care of family.
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  Speaker 1: That's just kind of what you do, um, which explains
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  Speaker 1: everything about Luke. Yes, yes, I agree, he doesn't even hesitate.
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  Speaker 1: If you were to say one thing about like what
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  Speaker 1: one line in the series so far maybe overall defines
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  Speaker 1: who Luke is. That's it. When he says to Laura,
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  Speaker 1: I not even look alone, just you know, pumping up
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  Speaker 1: his mattress like this is what you do. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: inciveunce my life. Listen that he's family. You take care
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  Speaker 1: of family. That's what you do. Boom, blanket statement, no
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  Speaker 1: discussion about it. I think it's interesting you say that
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: because to me brings me back to when Luke immediately
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: jumps in and it's going to help Laurel I when
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Richard was in the hospital. You drop everything like he
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: is the most loyal person. Maybe she's a bit of
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: a mother figure to him because she stands up to
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: him and she tells him, he gives him what for,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and she's one of the few that can do this.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: And I think Rachel did it to an extent. But
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: she did it and she left and she kept leaving,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: So there's no trust there. But with Lauren, with Laura Lai, Um,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: she's not going anywhere. She's there there, they're embedded in
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: that town. Yeah. I think you make a great point there. Yeah,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: so yeah, there might be. And that's why I think too,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: essentially that Rory is going to be attracted to Jess
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: because she's still her mother's daughter. So even though she's
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: doing all the right things. She's still going to have
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that attracted to the bad boy thing. But the thing
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: is is, even though she was getting into it with
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the you know, the inevitable sort of beginning to fall
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: for Jess and Jess inevitably falling for her. You could
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: see it in that final scene when it's like, uh,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you know when he said he made notes on Alan
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Ginsbury's Howell and I've only read it forty times and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: then uh and then the um the Dickens reference um,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and he knew it and she was pleased. I trust her.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I trust her now not to screw up her life
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: because this is this is a pattern with super intelligent
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: uh people, right girls uh that you know, their lives
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: get blown up because they don't have the character, the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: backing of the support from family, right when they're about
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to go to college and their senior year just blows
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: up into partying and it blows up into boys and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: it's just like and then suddenly they don't really want
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to go to Harvard anymore, and it's like, you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I'll go I'll go over here, and I don't care.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: They don't even bother going to college. I trusted her,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: not I didn't feel so I felt more encouraged about
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a potential romance between the two and the excitement of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: that and how that was going to play out. Then
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I was about him derailing her. M I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel any possibility of that happening, because if
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: she can handle herself so beautifully, with such maturity and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: calm and cool up against Paris, then no guy is
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: gonna be smart enough. You're not gonna find a guy
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that's smarter than than Paris and more diabolical. Nothing will
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: derail her. Nothing's going to derail So I I really
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: trust her character. I trust Rory to stay on the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: straight now, to stay studying. Nothing's gonna throw her off.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: In fact, she's already manipulating him. She's already testing him
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and saying, you know, are you literate? Do you read
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: these things? And like okay, right, And when he's like
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: let's sneak out, and she's like number one, there's no
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: word to sneak to and number two, no, I want
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to eat, Like there, this is gonna be delicious. Like
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: she's so like above him, like why would I do that? Right? Yeah,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you're a hot dude, but I ain't. I ain't passing
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: up a hot meal when I'm hungry. Guy. I mean,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you know, you kind of matter, but not right now. Right,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: she's her own person. She's grown, you know, she's growing
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: into the spectacular woman to be and it's just this strong,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: empowered one but still hell bent for leather because who
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: mommy isn't who daddy is, right, So there, so there's
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: that opening, right, she would be attracted to him, but
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: it's not going to cause her problems. It'll cause her
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: some heartache maybe, but it's necessary. It's not going to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: go to jail. Although I do think they get into
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: some trouble, but we'll talk about and I think that's
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: really important for that character. I think it's really important
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: for the series. We do not want to mistrust Roy
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: or think that she is such a oh I don't
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: know what's the word troll up or something that she's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: she's going to go off and ruin her life. We
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: can't have that, you know. That's that's like, that's a
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Madeline Louise type of storyline, right, right, She's not ditching
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the Bengals concerts. Some college party. Jess is what we
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: needed though, Like even if we didn't realize we needed it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Like somebody smarter than us writing the show knew that
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Jess is exactly what this show needs. Yeah, the injection
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: of that kind of energy, um and that sort of
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: classical beauty that he represents. I mean, he just represents
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: like I mean, you know, it's like Michelangelo's David shows
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: up in a and a pair of blue jeans and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: he's completely different. And I thought, in terms of the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: acting he had, he displayed an appropriate amount of you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: sort of internal confusion and internal angst and um where
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: he was that he was that guy that thought he
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: knew everything, yet he knew he didn't, and he was
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: angry about it and he just he just couldn't. He
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: had no patience for conformity or society or he doesn't
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: want to be a jerk. Right. It made me made
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: you want to find out what happened to him and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: help him out, and it really made me gravitate toward him.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So that's the subtlety in his performance that is so brilliant.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It draws you in. You know, he doesn't overdo it,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: He just gives you a taste. So when Luke comes
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: in with all the like, here's the stuff to help
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you quit smoking. And here's a picture of black lungs
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and here's that. I almost thought he was gonna go okay, uncle,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: but instead this looks out. You're like, at any moment,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: he's going to figure this out and be the good guy.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: But that's a process. We know that's gonna take time
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna work. But that is exactly what Jess needs.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: He needs a father figure. He needs somebody to be
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: tough with him. Tough love is what he needs. That's
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: what he's gonna get. And that's all really Luke knows anyway,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And I think that unjust probably realizes that at some
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: point like this, I is a one trick pony here,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and he's not gonna do it any other way. So
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I'd better conform because this is a brick wall and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: he ain't changing, right, that can affect some change in
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: another person. I mean, just by this yer example of
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Luke's life, he gets up early, knows to grindstone. He's
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a great friend. He has aspirations, but it doesn't take
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: precedence over his life and what he needs to do
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to pay his bills and you know, provide coffee, donuts
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and food for the citizens of Stars Day. Yeah, that's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: his job, right, It's like he's part of the heartbeat
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: of that town, right, so he's he's got a responsibility
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and that rubs off on Jess. Eventually, I hope, right,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and he'll see he'll see what it is too. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: don't know, be a man like grow up and accept responsibility.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: It is an epic fight that Luke and lorel I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: have and then lower La doesn't want to go in
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the diner, and then it comes full circle because then
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: come back to the house and admit, like, you were right.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But I never worried that this was they weren't going
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to make up. I didn't like Luke in that moment.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I just I don't know really. I mean, it's like
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I was almost like, how dare you talk to her
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that way in her kitchen when she's just I know
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: he didn't see what she was doing. I know he
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: didn't have the knowledge that Jess took a beer and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I was about to drink. It was disrespectful to Laurela
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in her own house, and she was overstepping a little bit.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I will say, because you think so. See that's the debate, right,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: justify did it for the right reason? Tirade. But yeah, yeah,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I felt he was justified. They both were a little
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: over the top because they both could have calmed down
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and had it helped each other. But she's getting pissed
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and she also knows she's right, which ultimately she sort
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of is. But like you have to be sensitive to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: people like this kid just came into town. You're the uncle.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: You're trying to deal with this situation. You're doing the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: best you can, You're trying to do the right thing.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So I understood both perspectives. I don't know, I just
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: think Laurela was completely justified going out into the porch,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: into the back there, taking the beer away. She was
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: still being nice to him, she was still just trying
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to talk to him right, and he was being nasty,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: unnecessarily nasty to her and dismissive, been disrespectful, and that's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: her daughter, And there ain't no way that that guy
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: is not going to get red Riot Act from that
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: woman protecting her daughter. She was come hud justified. She
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: was even justified kicking him out, like get out of
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: my house, because that's what I would have done if
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: somebody talked to me that way in my own house.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And I have done that. Actually, I have dismissed people before,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and and but she had every right to do it,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm surprised she didn't do it, because all she
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: did was said, okay, you know, she took the beer
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and she goes fine, and then she left. She said
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: something definitive and left. I can't recall what she said,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: but it was it was. It was clearly drawing a line,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and he knew he was still welcome to come back
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: in and join the festivities even after that. And so
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: she's her blood is up. And then and Luke comes
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in the room, completely ignorant of what's going down, doesn't
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: even bother to ask her what happened, doesn't even bother
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to give her a chance to explaining, explaining, not that
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: he has owed and exploit well, he kind of is
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: owed an explanation, um, and she's offering one as a friend, right,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: trying to explain to what happened, and he doesn't get it,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and he so he starts getting very territorial over Jessin,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and his manhood threatened. And I just thought it was unnecessary.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It made sense to me, though, I I his reaction
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: was not so out of line. It was like he's
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: trying to defend this kid. He's trying to do the
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: right thing. It was a little bit of a low
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: blow when you mentioned that she got pregnant sixteen. That
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: was I think so too. I was shocked that he
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: went that low. I did not like that. That was rough.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: But ultimately he does come back around and admits she's right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But Luke's also trying to figure this out and is
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: getting emotional, which he hates. He gets in it's yeah,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: so he's like, and then we get to the jam
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Hands scene and it's just you know, he's I forgot
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I remember jam Hands, but I forgot that it was
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: in this episode. I mean, jam Hands is such a
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: classic Gilmore. I think that's that's one of the Luke
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: classic rants. Right, was that that wasn't the first rant,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: but that might be the first classic. No patients for
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: jam Hands. And it's like it just was building. I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: think that's what had to happen, is like it's just building, building, building,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and she's trying to tell him like you're in a
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: world of her, bro this is gonna be rough. No no, no, no, no, no,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Bill Bill Bilbil. I just didn't like how he wanted
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: her in the kitchen. I did not like that, but
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I want to reach into the screen and smack him, like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: don't talk to her that way. I didn't mind it,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: because again, it's so real. People get mad and people
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: act crazy when even when it's not justified because they're
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: dealing with something else. It did two things. Okay, it
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: delayed the inevitable of them getting together. That bought two seasons.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Another thing it did it has showed the audience that
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: she is too good for him. Right, the audience was
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: thinking it's the other way around, he's too good for her,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but in that moment, she was too good for him.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Look at it. That's when it showed I see what
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: you're saying, but I also see it as we're just
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: seeing that Luke is humid. They're both just real people
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: trying to help each other, trying to do their best.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And look, she was ultimately right, but it was almost
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a little too soon for her to point that out. Right,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: it is your nephew, it is your problem. You're trying
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to help. You love this kid. But why wouldn't he
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: want to help from her? He loves her? Why that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: wasn't ready? He wasn't ready. I get I get he's like,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you know, he's a full blown adult. He's he's he's
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: you know, full blown adults respect each other's boundaries. That's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: definitely a boundary. But he's in the house behaving a
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: certain way and being disrespectful to him, and he needs
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I get. I get that he felt like she was
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: crossing into the boundary. But it was like the reactions
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: just like, would you just shut up and listen to her?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Just listen to what she's saying to you, guys, wasn't
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: ready to hear the truth and he and look, he
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: comes around in one more day. And now because of that,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I think it took them to a closer level, because
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: she forgives him immediately, like when Luke comes in and says,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I was wrong, you were right. It's not like she's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: like holding a grudge. It's just immediately like, yeah, here
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I am, let's let me hear it. Yeah, I'm splitting hairs. No,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's interesting, Well, let's talk about how much you
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: do dislike Paris right now. I don't know. I find
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: her falling in. I almost find her character devolving into
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the category of cartoonish because it's just so over the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: top absurd evil mustache twirling. I'm gonna get you, you you know.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: It's it's like, you really gonna make me eat this
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: right now. It's like, but I'm in come on, I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: don't mind it because it's so real everywhere else, do
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like all the other scenes
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that so like they have this thing and she's lying
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: about the time the class starts, in the signing and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the parking lot job, and then she shows up an
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: hour early and in their ready and it's all just
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: do me a favor. Okay, since since do me a favor,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: take me back to how it went off the rails again.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I thought these two were they were, but then remember
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Tristan asked out Rory, and even though Rory never said yes,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that the die was cast there, we're still even though
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Rory's like, dude, I didn't say yes. I wasn't gonna
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: go to the PJ. Harvey concert. I just don't know
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: how anybody is that unforgiving or that crazy because she
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: because she knows that Rory is ultimately the competition. Rory
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: is the only one that can knock Paris offer the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: smartest Rory. Rory is irresistible. She is not a threatening presence.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: She is not a threatening person. She's a sweet person
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: who wants to make friends with everybody. The parking lot
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: was one thing. The max assignment was brutal, Like making
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: this kid interview the guy that the mom just called
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: it off with. That was the smart move because it
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: actually it just kept everything she did, kept making Rory
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: look like she was more mature, more special. I mean,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: it was just it's that I'm shocked that the character
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: of Paris, who had some dimensionality and some depth and
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: has now become completely one dimensional. And I'm I'm sorry
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: to see it. That's that's what I am. Um. I'm
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: kind of in mourning over that, because I do like
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the character. I do love the character of Paris, and
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I think she's hysterically funny, and Liza Wheel is a
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: very gifted actress. But what she's given, I think, really
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: is lacking. I mean, it's one thing to really want
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to build up Rory and get everybody on Rory side,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: but it's another thing to sacrifice the character of Paris.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And this way, I mean, she's not uh, I mean,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: she's beyond rehab at this point. You know, It's like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: how low can she demonstrate that she is able to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: go to destroy another person before we just dismiss her
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: as a character, and she's like she's turning into a cartoon.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And I don't like it. I think it. I think
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: it's imbalanced in the series. I think her character isn't
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: good enough to be in the series anymore, and I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: want to see another character emerge that takes her out.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: She's now ripe to be taken out of the series
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: because I don't know if she's wanted or necessary anymore.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: It's like it's becoming kind of a joke. So again,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I have the problem of knowing what happens. So don't
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: tell me. I won't. I think, yeah, it'll be interesting
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: to see how you your opinion of her evolves as
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: she continues, because she's not leaving. I'm not gonna, you know,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: there's no right, So I think it'll be interesting if
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you start to like her more. Yeah, I don't care
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: how many of these little sort of puppy dog moments
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: she has, like really really and then she softens and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: but now she's faking it. She did that to Rory,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: deceiving her about the assign But what I think what
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: she looks, she's pure evil. She doesn't get is it
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: always backfires on her because think about it, she assigns
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the parking lot story, and then the teacher talks about
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: how amazing the parking lot story is. So it's like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: it is cartoonish in the sense that everything she tries
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: well foiled again do you know what I mean, Ay,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you were saying tip for tat, I felt like the
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: parking lot of time. I was like, oh, and then
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: she did it well and I was like, oh, and
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: then Paris comes back with the interview and I was like, oh,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Riley make a great point, like oh she got you.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Oh no, she got you, Oh she got you. She
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: So I think, especially as you think about it, for
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: young women watching this show, or like a lot of
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: people watch this as tweens and teens, the whole thing
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: is kind of amusing. You know, maybe they see it
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: in a different way, but I mean, clearly, at this
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: point in Paris is outmatched. Even though she has all
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the power at the Franklin, she is outmatched. She is
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: dealing with somebody who is smarter, who is far more
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: emotionally mature, and who you know, kind of hangs out
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: with with Mahatma Gandhi text and knows how to center
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: herself and breathe and not react. And and Tristan, for example,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: has the crush on Rory. It's like everything Pairs wants,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Rory keeps getting and every time she tries to foil
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: her it failed. So it's like, right, she should just
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: become a nice person. But I don't know when a
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: character becomes so predictable, it just becomes boring. Um, just
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: stay tuned. But because it will. Do you think we're
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: gonna get some emails about this? I don't think so.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I have more interested I do think people have opinions
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: about Pairs, but I'm more interested about the fight. If
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: people think Luke went too far as you do, or
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: if they think it was justified. I'm very curious about
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: how people will feel about I did not like him
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: getting territorial to that degree in that moment, but I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: guess that just shows the imperfection of people in the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: imperfection of characters and motions are un high in these situations.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: And how would you know, Laurel, I react in a
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: similar situation with Rory, But Rory is not a script.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: You'd never do anything like that. We're dealing with. You're
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: dealing with a young boy who's confused and angry and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: hurt um who just is just kind of dumping on everybody,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: grabs a beer and goes outside. I mean it's like, really,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: it's like Luke's gift to my family. Oh thanks Luke,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: thanks for bringing him over. But he has to and
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: she invited them. I see what you're saying, and you're
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: being very like, she's got to protect your daughter. I'm
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: blowing him like if I'm Laurel, I I'm not letting
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: that kid near my daughter. She's going to have a
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: lot of say in that. I think I would say
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to Luke, you know, and retort to his in response
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: to his well you were sixteen. You said, listen, pal,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you're the one that brought this psycho into my house.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: So not only do you get out, take him with
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: you and don't come back. I mean, it was it
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: was getting to that level, yes, But here's the whole
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: point of that. Now you two are in cahoots and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: agreeing and trying to save Jess, which is going to
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: make the both of you more stressed out. As Rory
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and Jeff develop this friendship relationship, we're just setting it
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: all up perfectly. What He's got enough stress in her life?
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: What does she need to join forces with Lord Luke
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: to save this kid? Why? What? How much energy and
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: free time does she have in her life? She's at
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the independence end right, working her tail off, She's dealing
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: with all this other stuff, being a great friend everybody.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And now listen to me defending this woman. I'm telling
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: you you better be ready again, because but she's got
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: her she's got to keep her daughter on the straight. Now,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: she's going through all this garbage with the cartoon Paris
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: now and you know, trying to draw her into a
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: comic strip. I'm not gonna have control over it because Jess,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: we already see it. We already see now this Rory
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: is intrigued by Jess. Maybe this is just normal stuff
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: that all parents deal with, and this is just a
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: situation that all parents deal with. Yeah, and Jess is
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: just an extreme. But here's my unanswered question. Didn't Jess
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: steal the bridge money? Of course he did, I'm clear
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: on that. I think you know what I have to disqualify.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I have to um recuse myself from this because I
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: think I know the answer to this. He does did
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: steal the gnome obviously, Beyah, I don't think he steals this.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think he did either. Yeah, I think it
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: comes out that he didn't. I agree with that kind
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: of thing. He would steal because he would steal a gnome.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't steal money. But what's why steal a gnome?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Because he saw it on Babette's lawn? And what the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: hell is that clowney gnome? We have a surprise guest
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: for you in the waiting room. Oh, it's a surprise guest.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Surprise ish, Yeah, okay, is he ready or we are?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Do you want me to tell you a little about
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: him dating for people with equal eyes? When the boy
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Scouts at the very beginning of the episode, I guess
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: there are boy scouts cub scouts there with Taylor come
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: into the diner and they have the scene with you.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: One of those scouts is Kendall Schmidt, who later went
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: on to become huge in Big Time Rush, like huge
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: on Nickelodeon's Big Time Rush, Like touring the country playing
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: music with three other guys. Well, when he was like
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a little little kid, a little tiny guy, and there
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: he was a little kid with Big Time Rush. How old.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Was he a big time rush? Probably in his teens,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: early twenties maybe, But here are teenagers. He's touring the
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: world with this. Is it a rock band? Is it
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: a boy band? Yeah, it's a boy band. Yeah, he'll
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: tell you all about it. He'll tell you that. But yeah,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: he's just a little guy. And there he was, so
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: we spotted it. And here he is for you, is
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: right here this guy, this little guy who became a
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: huge international star. Wait a minute, are you saying? Look
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: at the picture you're sending me a picture of this guy.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: He's another handsome dude. All right, we're gonna take a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be back with Kendall Schmidt, who
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to meet and talk to ye. All right, everybody,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: we're back and we have a very special guest. There
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: are springing on me this this very handsome dude. He's
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a dude. He looks like a dude. He looks like
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a salty dude. And Kendall Schmidt, and there he is.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: There's the guy. There he is. Dude, Where did I
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: come in the Kansas? All right, how are you doing?
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, Kendall. Good to meet you, or
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: meet you meet you after all those years. It a
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: lot's changed, all that growling up. You're done, right, Look
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I have facial hair now too, which is Look that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: time has flown by. Oh my god, are you still
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: in your twenties? No? Actually one? Oh man, yeah, I'm
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: over the hill. Wow. And you and so you were
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you were the first kid. You were the tall kid
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: in the boy Scout thing and you were the first
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: kids kid number one, I think that was. I have
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: notes here, Season two, episode five, right, and you were
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: like eleven ten? Well I probably would have been ten
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: or eleven. Yeah, what wow? This is this is trip
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: all right. So so I have some notes here myself,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and I want to ask you some questions, okay, because
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the fans really want to know this stuff. So you
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: began your acting career at the age of five. How
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: did you get into acting? Well, you know, um, people
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: talk about that that they were thing into their career.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the way of saying it. But
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I mean I was a kid, so I was really
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: just having fun. It seemed like a cool way to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: have a good time. My oldest my two older brothers
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: got into acting. Believe it or not. In Wichita. Um,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: there was a healthy print market in Wichita. So there's
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of photos actually still at CBS. You know
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: when you buy a picture frame and there's like the
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: stock picture in the picture frame. Some of those photos
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: me my brothers. So, uh, we did that in Wichita,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and then, uh, you know it's like the progression from
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: that was which take to New York. And then they said,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: if you really want to take this seriously, you guys
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: have go out to l A. So then my mom
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and my two brothers and I and Dad was paying
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the bills the whole time. So I got to give
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: him so much credit for that. We went out to
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: l A and pursued the dream. And then now I'm
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the only one left in l A actually, so I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: still lived there and everyone else has moved on. And uh,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: it's been what a crazy ride, and between when I
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: met you and now quite the ride. Wow. So your brothers,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: your brothers moved out and they go back to Kansas,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: so they spread out a little bit. So no, my
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: my oldest, my oldest brother, when he was like seventeen,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: decided to go to college. Um, and then he ended
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: up becoming a lawyer, which is pretty great. Um. And
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: then my middle brother and I Kevin. We stayed out
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: in l A for a little bit longer. We did
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: some more stuff, and then he actually is working for
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Calvert County in Maryland, which is where I am right now. Um,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: and uh, he's loving it. So I came to have
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: like an early Thanksgiving because we have rehearsals for Big
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Time Rush coming up, and I just didn't want to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: try to squeeze in a little family visit in between.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: So here I am. So you're still doing Big Time Rush. Yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: So we took a let's see, we were active from
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: two thousand nine to two thousand fourteen. End of two
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. Um. And then I've continued doing stuff with
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: my band, have fron Drive and work solo music. Um.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: And we recently decided to get the band back together. Actually,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: right at the beginning of the pandemic, we were talking
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: about this and then everything hit and we were like, Okay,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to take a minute and figure
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: out how we're going to do this. But yeah, we're
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: we have our first shows coming up. Actually, Oh that's exciting,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: it's really exciting. All right, Well, we'll get to that.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the band stuff because I'm a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: band guy too and write songs. I'm all about that.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could talk about I could have another
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: podcast actually have set lists here, potential set lists that
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: we were just having a phone call about that in front.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I do that too. This is the set lit the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: set list structure and alchemy is an ongoing challenge. It really,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: really really I love it though. I love figuring it out. Um.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: But anyway, we'll we'll get to all that stuff. But
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: let's let's do the Gilmore thing. How do you get
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the part? Do you remember the process? I mean, you know,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: at that time, it was like, um, I was having
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: four or five auditions a day, and it was interesting.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I think if I remember correctly, that was after I mean,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: long story short, it was an audition, um, And I
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: remember I used to I used to love going to
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: auditions at w B because I lived really nearby on
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Heron Drive, which is right by Vaughan's on Past Avenue.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know where that is, and so I
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: used to love it. I used to ride my scooter
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: to w B to go to auditions with. My mom
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: had a scooter as well, so we would ride the
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: razors together and go to go to these auditions that
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: they were nearby, UM, and booked it and then ended
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: up with you guys on set just like that. Nice. UM.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So what do you remember about that first day on set?
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this. Actually I had
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: worked on other things before and and then after, but
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: it reminded me thinking back on it. I remember seeing
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: how like you guys were very well oiled machine. I'm
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: sure you might have a different and he might be like, well,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: it was actually chaotic. M to me, it was a
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: well oiled machine. And then fast forward to when I
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: was on my own show, and I just remembered how
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: nice you guys were to everybody, because it's different, you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: when you're coming on as a guest or just as
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: a bit part on a show and you're working with
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: everyone who has been together for years and they've been
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you know, they've got the Stanley. You kind of feel like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: oh am, I coming in on the Stanley Dynamic whatever.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: But you guys were so sweet to everybody. And then
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I remembered that when I was on my own show,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I had guest stars coming on the show, and I
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I felt like returning to the kindness, you know, so
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: We've actually had a big impact on me. Yeah. We
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: we want to make everybody feel comfortable. We know how
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: accimidated some people, even even veterans, like Broadway veterans coming
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: on when they realized the pace of the dialogue. They
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: don't realize that sometimes when they come on set and
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: then the director yelled action, and then after a first
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: couple of takes, the director goes, you know, you're you
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: need to speed it up. In the actors like, I
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: remember that I'm doing as fast as I can. What
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? Speed up? Well, what's got to
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: be a lot faster, And then they'd start to sweat. So,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you know, we wanted to provide the the most nurturing
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: and welcoming set we possibly could because we knew the
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: challenges that everybody would face that was coming in that
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't used to that pace. And and by the way,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I have had auditions for stuff since then, and they
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: used the pace of Gilmore Girls as an example. Yep,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: always yeah, similar Gilmore Girls pace. And I'm like, okay,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: all right, you know not a problem have done that?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Said that Dragon, Um, how many times did you have
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: to film that diner scene with Taylor? How many takes.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Did you do find a guess? I mean it wasn't
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: all that many. I don't remember what the camera setup
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: was like. Was it just single cam? Did you guys
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: have to getting coverage on stuff? Um? No, I think
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: we kept it pretty wide on you guys. Yeah, I
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: mean you just we just sort of you come in,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: we kind of falling. I think it was a steady
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: cam shot. I think Steve was on the steadicam uh
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: and he just sort of, you know, settled on you
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: guys when you landed and did that's the dialogue with
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the Taylor and Laurel. Well, you might be able to
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: tell me better. I mean, I feel like we didn't
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: do that many takes because of the case of the
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: show in general. You know, I don't think they allocated
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of time for stuff like that. It's like, yeah,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: you guys kind of nailed it anyway. So it was
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: like there was so much to do that day. So
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: do you remember hanging out with any of the other
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: boy scouts that day? I mean, you were a little
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: older than what they were. What would you guys hung
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: out and play around? It's funny, I don't have there's
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: like specific memories from when you're like under a certain age,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like under under. I used to think
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: this was funny when I would ask my grandparents about, oh,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: do you remember what was your high school graduation like
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: or whatever? My grandma would be like, I remember, you know,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: And I used to think that was crazy because it
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: to me it was like, well, that's such a significant moment.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: But I mean, there's only so much you can remember.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: And I just the thing that really stuck with me,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: like I mentioned before, was how how nice everybody was
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: at the pace of it was something that really stuck
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: with me. Um. And also the professionalism you guys had
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: something that I took with me and and I don't
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: think I've actually ever talked to any of the other
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: boy scouts again. Unfortunately, Well they're lost, right, I don't know.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, you know what, there's probably a doctor, there's
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: probably a lawyer in there somewhere, so I'm sure they're
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: doing they're great. Alright, right, Um, so you did you
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: returned in season three? How did did you just get
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: an offer to come back? I mean I think I
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: did at that point. Yeah, that was just like, oh, well,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: hey he was here before he did all right, Um,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: application anxiety alright, Season three, episode three, right, and we
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: chatted at the chatted about it at the bar. Okay,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: and you and I, Yeah we did. We had we
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: had a scene together. I think we did pretty sure.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: All right, Well we'll get to that. I mean, I
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: might be mixing up episodes as well, though. Um, you
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: know what, I had an impression to you that was
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. I was wondering if you
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: were playing a character or not, because you kind of
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: just kind of seemed like this was you a little bit,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, and I didn't know you as
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: a person, so I wouldn't know what you're off, you know,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: off stage personality. But I always remember actually that part
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: in general, for you know, it was seemed like it
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: was a fun role to play because it was it
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: was a real guy, you know, a real guy I'm
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: like so many other characters. It seemed like it was
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: so much fun. And the wardrobe must have been great.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: In fact, you got to wear a ball happened, didn't
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: have to spend any time in hair and makeup at all.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, that was yeah. I was in
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: character of the whole time I was there. I never
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I never broke character except at lunch. So I'm nothing.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not really like that guy. So if
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: we were talking on set and stuff, you were kind
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: of still holding onto the character to keep to keep
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: it going because wow, interesting. Yeah, you know, that's just
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: kind of how I work. And and I just he
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: was so difficult to play. He was so tough to
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: stay in character. Um that I just, you know, it
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: was the only choice I had. Well, what would you
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: describe because his character is difficult in the way that
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: he he's very tight, and he's very you know, he's
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: just he's repressing, repressing so many of emotions and it
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: all comes out as anxiety and a little bit of
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: anger and edginess and impatience and all that. It's just
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: it's tough to play. It's tough for me to play that. Yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: And I when I auditioned for it, it was just
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: it was just sort of easy and breezy, you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: you know, but um, I don't know. I guess I
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: fell in and out of it very easily during the audition.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Because I went to another audition I had to be
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: complete opposite right after that. Um yeah, yeah, I know.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: That was that was that was definitely. And well, I
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: had a similar but dissimilar experience with with Big Time
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Rush because that show, Uh, I don't. I don't think
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: it was any specific decision. It just kind of happened
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: where they used our same first names as the characters.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: And so I've been dealing with that a lot, where
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: at least it's convenient when people go, hey, Kendall, I'm like, well, yeah, um,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: sure that's me. Um. But we were and you you
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: can so many people have asked you this. We were
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: still playing characters as much as it seems like in
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the first names are similar to our first names are
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: the same. I was like, well, I mean yeah, I'm
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: not as an extreme of an animated guy as as
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: that character was. But the good news is is when
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: people call me by my character name, they're really actually
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: just called me by my name. So it's kind of
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: nice in that way. You know What's interesting? I did
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't e P about four years ago, and one
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: of the songs uh kind of went viral on the
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: indie rock charts, right. So, but the way the producer
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: mixed it and produced a song and made my voice
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: sound I heard, I saw a character. It was the
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: only the only so and it was like that was
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: not me, it was somebody else. And it pleased me
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: so much because it was like, oh, I can fall
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: into that character because that character can sing that song
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: and it's not me singing that song. It also made
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: me realize that, man, was I really late to the
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: party and maybe this wasn't gonna work out because that's
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: a much younger character, you know. Um um, but it's interesting.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: It's interesting how you approach you know, a song, a
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: you know, an acting piece. It's all kind of the same.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: You know, if you can get into a character, you know,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: then it becomes like you know how Bowie used to
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: do it, I mean, changing characters. You know, it's like
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: this sort of one man show, ongoing one man show anyway. Um,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: very interesting. So so what was your first appearance like, uh,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: compared to the second time you were on Gilmore Girls,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: obviously you were probably a little less nervous. Yeah, oh man,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I was just a lot less nervous as a kid. Anyway,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: It's amazing how I actually remember there was that there
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: was a weird, awkward moment of being a team where
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: suddenly I was way more self aware and going to
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: auditions was an absolute nightmare, you know. Uh. In fact,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: it was a miracle that I booked Big time Rush
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: because I was still in that zone. Um. Back then,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I it's just a kid, you know, having fun. I
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: mean it really wasn't. I remember that you had to
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: do your three hours of school, um, which I always
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: kind enjoyed actually because there was a time limit and
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: we didn't have to do it all day. Um. And
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's one of those getting the
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: words you got. It's very fast paced. So I just
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: remember being like, okay, hey, you're up. You know, here
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: we go block the scene a little bit, run it. Um.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: It was very it was very uh totally new experience
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: for me because up to that point I had done
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: other things, but that was the first like whoa, this
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: is a this is a show. You know, these guys
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: have have episodes to complete and everything, and I didn't
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: you know, realize how that was until being on my
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: own show. You know. So so so here's yeah, so
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: here here's something I'm really interested. So you know you
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: have been on you know, the E R S, the Frasier's,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the c S, I MI Miami is to fill the Future,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. What do you like more?
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Do you like the singing more or do you like
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: the acting more? Well, I like the singing more because
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I don't have to audition for it. You know. Um,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: if if if people were calling me like, hey, dude,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: we got this great script, you know, it would be
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: a different I'd be like, yeah, let's go right. But
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: you know, the business, the business was hard and it's
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: still hard. So being a singer and now at least
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: having a sort of a group of people that have
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: already you know, come on board from being a big
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: time Russian all that stuff that makes it a lot
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: easier just to be a singer. And you put out
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: a song, you get a reaction. Uh you know, people say,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: oh I love it down you know, they downloaded, they
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: let's stream it. And then you go on tour and
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: you play you get the immediate reaction. So, um, I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: think just for that reason, I like doing music more.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: But it's only because acting is tough. You know, it's
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: a lot it's a lot more difficult, even just to
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: get to the part where you're on the camera, you know, right, Yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. Anyway, let's get into
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: your now, we can get into your your big Time Rush, right,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: we can get into this stuff. So you so you
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: start from two thousand thirteen Big Time Rush. What was
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: it like? You know, put put us, put us there,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: put us in. Tell us what it was like to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: be a part of Nickelodeon during that time. Uh So
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: at that time, I feel like Nickelodeon was like in
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: a Heyday. And for me, um, growing up, I loved Nickelodeon.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Like I used to watch Global Guts, I used to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: watch Regular Guts. I used to watch Double Dare Double
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Dare two thousand, all those great game shows that Nickelodeon had,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: which I was just such a big fan of those shows,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and then of course all that all of the actual
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: TV shows that they had. So when I got to book,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: when I booked the show, which we don't have to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: go into the whole audition process, but it was difficult
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: and and involved like a boy band boot camp to
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: see who could be to boy band and also act
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: on television show. But um, when I got I just
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: felt like it was the coolest thing ever because it
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, Um, I can't believe I'm on this
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: network that I used to like obsess over. And I
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: always wanted to win a Kid's Choice Award. We ended
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: up winning many of them, and um, it just was
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: like so much fun. But also I'll never forget the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: night before the network the final audition, because we had
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: had a couple of things before that, not even callbacks,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: but that sort of boy band boot camp thing had
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: already happened. And I remember I've being at my brother's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: place and I started crying and he was like, what's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: going on? And I was like, Um, I don't know.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm just scared, you know. I was like,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like this either could be nothing, you know,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: it could be like a one off season and that's it.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: It could totally fail, or it could be like the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: next however many years of my life. And so I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: was kind of like I didn't even know that I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: was ready for that responsibility. So man, it was a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: big learning experience and and it wasn't just to show
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: the fact that it broke into performing live and you know,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: doing tours and everything. It really became our whole life.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: It was every day for five years at least. So
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: what it was it was wild. How big did it? Again?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I mean what kind of how big were the audiences. Um,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: So as far as the TV show goes, we know,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about the tour tour. Well, it
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: started at it started at the first show we ever
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: did was a random radio show in Henderson, Nevada that
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: was a small little thing, and then quickly evolved to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: selling out theaters. And then the next tour we sold
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: out amphitheaters. Okay, so you went from like a couple
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: of thousand, couple of thousand to five thousand every night,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: so you were doing arenas, arena well amphitheater sized arenas
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and arenas. So the tour, depending on what the venue
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: was and where the location was, we would either do
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: a giant amphitheater that could hold seventeen thousand, or we
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: would do an arena that would hold thirteen thousand or
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: something like that. And we played bigger shows for like
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: one off things like we opened for Justin Bieber. One
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: of our first shows was opening for Justin Bieber in Mexico,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and I think that was six six or seventy thousand people. Um,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: and uh, we played at the Houston Rodeo, which is
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: actually a really great show to play. That's like almost
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: a hundred thousand people as many of the stadium holds,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: so I mean, yeah, it was. It was wild. Our
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Amphitheater tour was probably my favorite one because it was
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: every night it was like thousand people sold out all
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: the way to the back, you know amphitheaters. They just
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: looked so cool with the lawn in the back and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: everyone camped out. It's just like an endless sea of people. Um, yeah,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I mean it was. We we played huge sold out
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Jones Beach twice on one of our tours, and and yeah,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: it was. It was wild. And so that lasted for
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: how long I want to say we did three or
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: four full tours because we we could only do them
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: in between the seasons. UM. And that's what was kind
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: of crazy about it was we would we filmed Monday
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: through Friday, UM, and then on the weekend we would
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: either do dance rehearsal if there was something on the
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: next episode, or we would do recording for uh the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: songs that we used in the show. So seven days
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: a week, and then as soon as that was done,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: we would rehearse for tour, go on tour, come back,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: have like maybe a week off, and then get back
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: into the show again. And it was a really wild adventure,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: very busy. Yeah, I mean we used to. We used
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: to joke about it, like people would say, so, what
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: do you guys do? Like in an interview, they'd say,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: what are you guys doing a day off? Would be like, uh,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: what is that word? You know? How do you say that?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: You know? Um, But obviously, you know, looking back and
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: when you're in the heat of the moment, I don't
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: know if you felt this on your show, because you
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: guys did so many seasons and stuff, but you know,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: there's times we were like, this is hard, you know. Uh,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: And then if you look back on it from you know,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: thirty feet you go, well, it's really fun. You know.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Obviously the whole it was fun, but they're even fun
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: things have their fair share of challenges. You know. Were
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: you were you guys riding around on private chats we
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: did a couple of times. A couple of times we
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: that wasn't our main mode of transportation, but we went.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: We were on tour of uses most of the time.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: And actually for one birthday, my twenty one birthday. This
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: is a fun story. Um, we played we did Worldwide
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Day of Play, which was a Nickelodeon event. Uh, getting
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: kids to move like getting kids to be outside and
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: move around. We played that show and then we were
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: having uh like after the show, we were at the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: hotel and all of the Nick executives were there. We
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: all became very friendly with the Knick executives because they
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: were very much involved in our show. I think it
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: was kind of like a pet project for them. And
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: uh Seema who was the president nickelode at the time,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and Paula who was vice president. We're talking and I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know my birthday, we're gonna go
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: to Vegas, I think you know, and they were like, wow,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: like you guys should come there, Like, no, you don't
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: want us at your birthday? And oh, you're probably right. Um,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: and then Semas said, well, you know that might be
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: a good time to uh if you like, we could
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: you could use the Viacom jet and go to Vegas
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: on your birthday. I was like, okay, sure, you know,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and then we ended up doing um the national anthem
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: because my birthday is on the second. We ended up
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: doing the national anthem at the Thanksgiving Day game UM
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: in Dallas, and sure enough at the Dallas Airport, this
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Viacom's private jet and after the show, we took all
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: of our crew, we all loaded up, we all flew
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: to Vegas. They kept the jet there for three days
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: while we had the Veggas festivities, and then put us
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: back to l A. Man, Now, I know how much
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: that costs, you know, I can thus. Yeah, I can't
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: even believe they did that. I mean, what would it.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Well know, for all of you, it's like, that's like,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: you know, it's tens of thousands, that's like, and to
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: hold the plane in Vegas for that many days. But
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: you know, well that was one of three VI comjects,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: So I think they were like, well that this one's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: parked over, you know, let's just use that one. That'll
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: be fine. Oh man, listen, buddy, I could talk to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: you all day. We don't even feel we haven't even
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: scratched the surface of what I want to talk to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: you about. But um, you know there is I want
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: to I do want to mention this though before we
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: before we say goodbye. Um, there is going to be
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: a reunion performance of Big Time Rush Your Band, which
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: include the Chicago the Chicago Theater in Illinois on December,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: followed by December eighteenth show at the Hammerstein Ballroom in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: New York, legendary Hammerstein Ballroom. That's exciting for you guys.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: So that's what you're that's what you're boning up for,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: right these two gigs. This is why I'm here visiting
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: family now because it's gonna be three weeks of rehearsals
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: coming up. And you know, there's just a lot more
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: in the pipeline for big time rush um. And to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: take a song title of one of ours, we're just
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: getting started. That's spirit that just came to me right
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: off the top of my head. That's that's the magic.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: You never know what is going to happen, but in
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: your case, probably a lot. Right, So listen, you guys
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: gonna play l A. Let me know, let let us know, okay,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: and we'll call you if we're paying at the show.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I want to be there. I want to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: see you guys. I want to support you. Man. I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: just I love musicians, like just songwriters and musicians just
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: they're my favorite people. And you know what, we should
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: hang out sometime, man, when this is all over with,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: we should get an apartment together. Let's do it. Let's
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: do it. I'm just spitballing here, but I will say
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: that my wife will be very happy. By the way,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I was a kid, I found you to be the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: kind I was like, I think I want to hang
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: out with that guy. It seems cool and it still
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: rings true to this day. I can have my moments.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. Later twenty years later. All right, man,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: what a pleasure meeting you and talking to you. I
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: hope you can come back. We can do this again.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Really get into the music side of things and really
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: dig in um because that's what fascinates me about this
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: whole thing. Anyway, Vable, let's chat. You are the man
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: and becoming legend. I love this um. All right, buddy,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on. Really enjoyed it. And
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: good luck with the shows and uh and just and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: just go slight man, you know you can't. It's gonna
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: be fun, all right, buddy, peace out, man, looks love
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: good bye. That was so awesome. He is the coolest. Yeah,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: he's a cool guy. Right. They're huge too. They got huge,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Like we did shows with them and it was kids
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: went crazy for that, Like, wait a meet. I have
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: an idea. We'll do a TV show. We'll like create
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: a boy bend and then they'll go to Oh that's
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: a good promotional tool. Nickelodeon's a bunch of geniuses, so
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: like you, we'll sell merch right, send, We'll sell t
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: shirts at these kids face on it right, oh, NASA
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: or television production. I mean it's not rocket science right now.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: All those guys, they are the sweetest like his personality is.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: He's so nice like and genuinely so grateful for being
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: on Gilmour Girls, Midwestern kid kancers. Boy right, we should
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: we take a break, and then should you drop your
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: knowledge on us? Whose knowledge yours? Your big knowledge, your
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: big secret, and you're big about gnomes. I don't know anythings.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: What do I look like? A normalogist? Not the thing
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: you've been telling us about for days? Ah Uh. I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's time to drop it, but I'm
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: gonna drop it anyway. I think Riley, you might be
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: ready right now. You prepped break first with a lot
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: of people. Don't worry about it. We're dropping bombs over
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: I mean some rory somehow. Riley knows about it. Sweet okay,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: and ready to take the breaks. Everybody get rid. Listen,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I think we better. We made a mess of the place.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Let's just bring some mops in and mop it up
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and we'll come back after these breaks. Yeah, alright, everybody,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: we're back. And I am in uh cahoots with Eastern
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: our tech guy. But he was called off on assignment today.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: He's got some huge, top secret assignment. I don't know.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: He was sworn a secrets. He couldn't tell me what
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: it is. We're very disappointed we don't have him on
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  Speaker 1: this show today. But uh, he has tasked Riley, who
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: has been properly headed by all the appropriate agencies and
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  Speaker 1: u and tested and she is now controlling the video here.
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  Speaker 1: So Riley, why don't you queue up that first picture
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  Speaker 1: because there's this quite a bombshell. Now, Amy, nothing about this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell the truth. I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I know we took great pains to keep this from you,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: and trust me, you have eyes and ears everywhere. And
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: that was no task this. I think this is the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: future episode and it's like maybe season three or all right,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: So do you notice anything unusual about this photograph? Amy?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking at a photo of the diner and
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  Speaker 1: lor Lyon Rory at the counter and you and you're
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: you know, you're the one that sort of sprung this
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: clown pillow thing on the world. Many fans beat you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: to the punch, but you were stute enough to to
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: follow up on the clown the blue mug, and I
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  Speaker 1: see the thing of muffins, and I see some people
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  Speaker 1: in the background eating. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's not okay.
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  Speaker 1: I see where it says food in the window. I
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: see the curtains, I see the new shelves, I see
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: the catch up thing. I give you a hundred dollar
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  Speaker 1: if you get it. Well, just give me a second,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: give me a second. We're giving you plenty of it.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: We're giving okay. I see the burgers and the fruit.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: The blue mug should just tell you hold. I see
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: the grandpa in the background, and then there's a good grandma,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: and then there's a couple. I need a hint, am
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I should I be looking up towards the counter or
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: more in the back. I'm not telling you. Oh my god, guys,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: this is so stressful that should you reveal it or
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: should we put this on social and see if anyone else,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: or should we just reveal it. I think we just
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: reveal it, because you know, these Gilmore fans already know
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: this this is kind of a thing. Does it have
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: to do the catchup bottles? I'm not telling you. I'm
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: not giving any clues. I feel Riley and I are
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: being very generous with you, but even sure right, I
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: can see Riley's face like she fully knows. What's this
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: thing in the back? Here? See that chair? And there's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: like a weird black thing in the window. What is that?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Is that it? What is that? What is that? Should
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: we do a warmer or colder? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Can
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: you do that? Do is it near the muffins? I'll
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: leave just scoff. He wants to do a warmer colder
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: because I know this is warmer it happen? Does that
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: have to do with the muffins? Warmer? It's in the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: m What is that weird creepy thing in the muffin?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Is it like a there's like a weird muffin that
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: looks like an alien muff All right, Riley, let's uh,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: let's show her the picture. Oh my god, am I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: am I close with the alien muffin? Let's show the
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  Speaker 1: close up. Guys. This is crazy. I'm so stressed. I
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is. Yes, so I was right,
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  Speaker 1: there's alien muffin. That's Scooby Doo. So is there always
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: an alien muffin in the muffin? What would you call that?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Canister muffin? It's like an take plate, but it has
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: muffins are why is that one muffin? So whack? It
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: looks like a snail muffin or bunny muffin and alien muffing.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: That's Scooby Doo. That's a plastic figurine of Scooby Doo. Yes,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. It looks like a bunny that's
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Scooby Doo. That's Scooby Doo. So is that in many episodes?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I believe that it is God. I believe that the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: prop guys had fun. They sure did, and I sort
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: of on it. It took me an hour. Sorry everybody,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: thrilling for everyone listening. We but you did pretty good.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: We're gonna spot the Scooby Doo. We're gonna spot Yes,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: now it's about the Scooby Doo in the dinner. It
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: looks like something from Men in Black to me, Riley, Yes, okay,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: pop culture? Is it time? Oh? Were ready for pop culture? Yeah?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, so we're not. We have to discuss
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: the episode more. For God's sake, there's so much more,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: but we're running late. We might have to do a
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: two parter because we were already late. What didn't we cover, Well,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: we didn't talk about Lane and she is looking for
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: her record collection, but maybe we'll cover that in pop culture.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: I think we could have talked about Max more and
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: that's you know. Otherwise, I think we're we're getting there
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: right Amy. That was a perfect cueue for pop culture
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: because we're gonna go right in and Lane has a
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: list for Rory to pick up at the record store
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: for her. Lane says, okay. Charles Mingus, the Black sat
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: in the center, Lady the Sonics. Here are the Sonics,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: m C five kick out of the out of the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: James Fairport Convention, Lesion, leave BIG's Odessa. So we're gonna
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: go through this. Charles mingus most famous song is Goodbye
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: pork Pie Hat. The sonics top hit is the which
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: which was released in November nineteen sixty four and considered
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: a stepping stone in their career. M C five's they
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: were mentioned in two thousand and one this episode, but
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: their biggest hit song is Looking at You, which was
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: originally created nineteen sixty eight and released in two thousand
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: eleven on their most well known album. Back in the USA,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Fairport Convention is known for their song where the Time Goes,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: released in nineteen sixty nine, and finally, the BIG's biggest
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: hit is dan Altt, released in nineteen seven. I had
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: heard of none of those bands than the Detroit While
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: you look that up, Riley, because I think Patti Smith
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  Speaker 1: married the guitar player Fred's Sonics Fred Sonics Smith from
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: MC five. My love of the BGS is strong and
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: I enjoy that. Lane added that into her repertoire because
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: everyone should have the b GS, and it kind of
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  Speaker 1: breaks my heart the only Berry is still around, but
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  Speaker 1: I do love the Begs. Lincoln Park, Michigan, MC five,
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln Partment. Yeah, so that's yeah, That's that's yeah. Next,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Lorelai invites Jess and Luke to dinner. Lorea Li says,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Suki will cook, Roy will be there, It'll be hey,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: welcome to stars Hollow and see everyone here who's not
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: straight out of the Flinny film kind of evening. Frederico
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  Speaker 1: Fellini was an Italian film director and screenwriter known for
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: his distinctive style, which blends fantasy and baroque images with earthiness.
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  Speaker 1: Some of Linny's films included Ginger and Fred Juliette of
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: the Spirits in Casanova. His love for theater started an
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: early age, prompting him to run away and join the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: circus when he was only twelve years old. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunate that Fellini's name is synonymous with
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: conversations that people have trying to describe weirdos that they
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: have encountered in their lives, and they lacked the facility
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: to describe the weirdo um using their own words, so
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: they say something along the lines of like it's like
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: something out of there. There's something out of there, like
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: something out of a Fellini film, right right. That's that's
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: the remembrance he gets most of the time, and he
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: changed cinema forever. This next one Jesse's Rory's collection of books,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: and Jesse says, wow, aren't we hooked on phonics? I
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: hooked on Phonics is a commercial brand of educational materials
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: originally designed for reading education through phonetics, and add said
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: after learning only one eighteen minute music gold cassette, students
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  Speaker 1: can read a one page book money back guaranteed. It's
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  Speaker 1: famous phone number one A hundred A B C D
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  Speaker 1: E F G is now owned by a law firm.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild. I was definitely hooked on phonics. I was
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: apparently didn't help for this as part of my career.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: But jessin Marlee are fighting on the porch. Jess says,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: you don't know anything about me or my life, or
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: my mom or Luke, So why don't you Dr Laura
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: somewhere else? Laura's Lessing Juror, better known as Dr Laura,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: is an American talk radio show host and Dr Laura
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: holds multiple trophies from sailboat racing and a black belt
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: in martial arts. Dr Laura is in the National Radio
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and she is still on the radio
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: to this day at the age of seventy, and she's
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: known for her tough love. Dr Laura always signs off
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: her show with now go do the right thing. Sometimes
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I find myself getting sucked into Dr Laura. Really, if
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: you stumble upon it, yeah, didn't you say you? Riley?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: When Ryan and I were talking her mom listens to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Doctor Laura and fun fact, I called Dr Laura for
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: advice when I was ten or eleven? Could she answer?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: She definitely had tough love. I think I cried more
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: from her advice than you got on with doctor. I did. Yeah.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I called her because I was like having a fight
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: with my friend at the time and I wanted some advice.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: Do you have a tape of it? I don't think so, no,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: but we need to find that. Oh my god, what
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: ten year olds like? You know what I'm gonna do?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: We call Dr Laura. You you're the weirdest kid I was.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: I was definitely young. Yeah, I mean I told you
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: my mom's fantsay. She's like, why don't you call Dr Laura.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: She didn't want to give me advice, she just wanted
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: to Laura's talk to me. Anyways. He's right there, She's like,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: She's like, just called Dr Laura. Rory is uncomfortable as
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: she is about to Rory is uncomfortable as she is
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: about to interview Max. Rory says, sit, sure, that's good.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Barbara Walter sits or walks sometimes if the person she's
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: talking to has a horse or a ranch or a
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: big backyard sometimes, but usually she just sits. Barbara Jill
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  Speaker 1: Walters is American broadcast call doctor Laura keep going. I
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: love Barbara Walters. I'm sorry. Barbara Jill Walters an American
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: retired broadcast journalist, author, and television personality. She only wears
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: one contact lens. While working with the other lens, she
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: can read the teleprompter, but with two she would not
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: be able to read her notes. Barbara is in the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Television Hall of Fame and actually has a star on
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Barbara is the mastermind behind
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: the talk show The View. She put her together the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: initial panel of women, serving on it herself from until
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: she retired into that and fourteen. She's alive today and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: ninety two years old, and two of her most famous
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: interviews are Patrick Swayze when he revealed he had pancreatic
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: cancer and Obrah which she said was one of her
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: most emotional interviews. And finally, Barbara had a pre Oscar
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: special for twenty nine years. He still I used to
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: watch all those love it. Laura Lae is upset after
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: talking with Jess on the porch. Laura Lee says, Luke says,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: where as Jess Morrell says, outside working on his breakfast
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: club audition, He's getting good. It's so true, he is
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: a bit Judd Nelson E. What was Jed Nelson's character,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: John Bender? Yes, this is the reference to John Bender
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: on The Breakfast Club American Team Coming of age comedy
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: drama film. Judd Nelson's clothes in the movie are the
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: outfit he auditioned in for the role of John Bender
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: and the Dan drift. At that Allison Ali, sheety um
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: shakes into her pencil drawings for snow was achieved by
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: sprinkling parmesan cheese in her head and it's not actually
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: her Dran Dandre. Of which people we should all remember
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: that Judd Nelson's character does sort of make out with
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Molly Ringwald's character, which would be the Rory a good girl.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: That's a great connection. You can't I can't see Rory
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: and Ever ending up in detention. No, why did Molly
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Ringwald end up in detention? Don't know. I don't remember.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: She couldn't have been that good a girl. M Laura
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: la is telling Luke he should think about what he's
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: doing before taking just in. Loralai says, yes, I respect that,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: but what if he turns out to be freddo Frederico
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: core Leon is a fictional character in Mario Puzzo's nine
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: novel The Godfather. Freddo is played by John Cazale in
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy two classic film, and the early buzz
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: on this movie was so positive the sequel was planned
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: before the first film was even finished filming. The cast
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: had rehearsal sessions that simply consisted of the main cast
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: sitting down in character for a family meal. And the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: horsehead in the movie, which is very famous, wasn't a prop.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: It was actually a real horsehead. Claire Molly Ringwald ended
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: up in detention because she cut class to go shopping,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: So you're right, Rory would not do that, but sorry.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: The morning after the fight, Rory and Laurel stand outside
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: of Luke's diner and Laura Lee says, Rory, this was
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: a bad one. Okay, this was not Nick and Nora.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: This was Sid and Nancy and I'm not going in there,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: which is also the name of the episode. So Nick
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: and Nora Charles are fictional characters. In the novel The
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Thin Man, Nick is played by William Powell and Nora
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: by Myrna Lloyd Skippy, who played asked to the dog
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: bit Myrna Lloyd during filming in real life and going
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: over to Sid and Nancy also known as Sid and
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Nancy Love Kills is six British film starring Gary Oldman
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: and Chloe Webb. According to Gary Oldman, he disliked the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: script and dislike punk music, but he accepted the role
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: because of the salary, and so this is a reference.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Nick and Nora were very loving and pleasant together. Their
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  Speaker 1: fights were more like conversations where Sid and Nancy would
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: curse and scream at each other. Laura Lee is asking
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: about Jess and what he's like. Loraa La says, well,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: you might want to find out. Ask a couple of
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: subtle questions. You know, has he seen the Shawshank Redemption?
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: The setting seemed homey to him. The Johank Redemption American
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: drama film starring Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman. Stephen King
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  Speaker 1: never cashed his royalty check for five thousand dollars for
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: rights to the film. Several years after the movie came out,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: King got the check framed and mailed it back to
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: the director with a note inscribed, in case you ever
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  Speaker 1: need bail money, love Steve Uh. To prepare for the role,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Robbins actually spent time in solitary confinement. He asked
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  Speaker 1: the feel for it. That would be terrifying Morgan, Him
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  Speaker 1: and Tim Robbins reunited in Zwa to Najo on Mexico's
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: West coast. Finally we have Rory asked what Luke's nephew
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Jess is like, and loral I says, well, he's not
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: going to be subbing for the new Dodo on the
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Regions show anytime soon. Let's put it like that. So,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: Regis Philbin spent twenty eight years on the show from
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: three to two thousand and eleven. Even though re Just
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: became one of the most successful people in the history
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: of TV, it didn't start out that way. His first
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: national talk show lasted only about four months before cancelation.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Regis also appeared in a numerous UH movies and television
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: shows as himself, such as MS Congeniality, Cheaper by the Dozen,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Thirty Rocks Signed Filled, and Spin City. Sadly, re Just
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: passed away in eight years old, and his co host
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: over the years include Sarah Purcell, Cindy Garrett Garvey and Abernathy,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Cathy Lee and Kelly Rippa and that's it for your
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: pop culture is like one of the best movies of
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: all time. It really It's okay. I have two favorite lines.
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  Speaker 1: We already know. My first one, I have no patience
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: for jam hands. I love this one. I am in
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: so far over my head, I can't see my hat.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Keep taking my lines. Sorry, I messed it up. Let
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: me read it better. I have been so far from
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: my head I can't see my own hat. And then
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: she says, just try turning it around. So when the
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: great line for you was her saying try turning it around, Well, yes,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: it's the boat. It's you saying I'm in so far
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: o from my head, I can't see my own hat. Yeah,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: that's the great line. No, but then it's for lie
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: being so subtle. Try turning it around because you wear
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: your hat back or I laughed out loud on that line.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: I made myself laugh. I laughed so hard. But jam hands,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: oh my god, jam hands. Mine was from Luke. He's
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: talking with Loria Lyon. He says, way around what this
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: is stars hollow, You take three left turns and you're
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: back to the center of town. It was quite an
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: episode for all Luke, wasn't it. Really was. Okay, I'm
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna be three out of three and he's
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: going on to Hollywood. He's got my golden tacket town. Um,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: it's a note for me, dog, give your line. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry anyway. Um, Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Look, I
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: don't pat myself on the back, but I'm gonna do it.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Now with the hatline, what do you say? I don't
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: even know what it is so far over my head,
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  Speaker 1: I can't see my own hat. What do you say?
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  Speaker 1: I'm in so far over my head, I can't even
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  Speaker 1: see my own hat. Yeah, and she's trying to turn
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  Speaker 1: it around. Ye, that's I'm not now, that doesn't jam hands.
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  Speaker 1: I have no patience for jam hands. It's all right,
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  Speaker 1: it's a cute thing. Whatever. I didn't think it was
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  Speaker 1: hysterically funny. It was fine. It's a good rant. But
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  Speaker 1: now the hat thing was was funny. Maybe great episode
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  Speaker 1: props to you, because great episode from Luke. Yeah he's mad.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this is his, This was his episode, and
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  Speaker 1: God bless my low so happy to have them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna be interesting. I mean, it really is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. How the season premiere weirdly to me,
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  Speaker 1: even though it's not, it felt that big and good
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  Speaker 1: and like this was this It almost feels like he
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  Speaker 1: should have been involved in the from the beginning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form, but he was in
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  Speaker 1: the form of Dean correct, even though I'm still team Logan. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: And I think the the you know, the mythological multiheaded
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  Speaker 1: dragon that is the the character that's going to try
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  Speaker 1: to keep Rory out of Harvard is represents men all
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  Speaker 1: of these fellows. Right, what is that character called in
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  Speaker 1: Greek mythology? We're gonna have to call Kevin O'Leary to
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  Speaker 1: find out. I don't know. I did read the Iliad
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  Speaker 1: and the odds, how did I? But what's this? What's this?
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  Speaker 1: Five headed dragon? Six headed dragon? What is that? What
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  Speaker 1: the heck is that? Riley? And also what's next week's episode?
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  Speaker 1: Next week's episode is episode six presenting Lore Like everybody,
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