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Dragnet: The Big Couple (EP4694) · The Great Detectives Present Dragnet (Old Time Radio)

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  Speaker 1: Detectives dot net. Now from February twenty second, nineteen fifty one,
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  Speaker 1: here is the Big Couple.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen. Crime Prevention Week, now being observed nationally,
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  Speaker 2: crime the ally of treason.
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  Speaker 3: The story you are about to hear is true, only
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  Speaker 3: the names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're
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  Speaker 3: a detective sergeant. You're assigned to Bunco Detail. A husband
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  Speaker 3: and wife confidence team has shifted operations to your city.
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  Speaker 3: Their criminal record dates back seventeen years. Their masters in
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  Speaker 3: the art of swindling your job.
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  Speaker 4: Get them.
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  Speaker 5: Drag Met the documented drama of an actual crime. While
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  Speaker 5: the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 5: Police Department, you will travel step by step on the
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  Speaker 5: side of the law through an actual case transcribed from
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  Speaker 5: official police files, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
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  Speaker 5: Dragnet is the story of your police force in action.
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  Speaker 2: It was Monday, April twentieth. It was windy in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: We were working the day Watch out of Bunco Detail.
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  Speaker 2: My partner's Ben Ramero. The boss is Captain McCauley. My
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  Speaker 2: name is Friday. We're on the way out from the
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  Speaker 2: office and was ten thirty five am when we got
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  Speaker 2: to the Holy Gospel Tabernacle.
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  Speaker 6: Pastor's house. Look at that palm dray. Yeah, winds storm
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  Speaker 6: shore didn't do it any good. I was really born
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  Speaker 6: last night. Woked me up a couple of times, and
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  Speaker 6: not me. I slept like a baby. What'd you say?
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  Speaker 6: The name here was Olsen. Yeah you got it right here, reverend,
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  Speaker 6: and rules doesn't seem to be anybody at home. I
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  Speaker 6: don't try it again when we sit on the phone,
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  Speaker 6: and neither be here at the church. Where's that just
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  Speaker 6: driving the corner faces on the south Spring. Not a
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  Speaker 6: very wealthy looking neighborhood. There must be the church up there. Mm.
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  Speaker 6: Sure couldn't stand the code of pain. Grounds are well kept?
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  Speaker 6: Anything nice flower beds other than giant pansies. Tried some
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  Speaker 6: in the backyard last year. Too bad. What do you
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  Speaker 6: mean giant snails? Sliced him right off with the roots.
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  Speaker 4: I guess that must be him up at the front
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  Speaker 4: of better close the door.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, come on, uh excuse me, sir.
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  Speaker 8: Oh didn't see you? You the Reverend Olson?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 8: Can I help him?
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  Speaker 2: My name's Friday, Reverend. I talked to you on the phone. Oh, yes, sergeant,
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  Speaker 2: And this is my partner, Sergeant Romero. How do you
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  Speaker 2: do sergeant Mao, that's Romero ravernd Oh excuse me, Romero.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't expect you so soon. A little busy here fixing
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  Speaker 2: the pulpit. It happened last Sunday. What's that really? I
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  Speaker 2: guess I got carried away with my sermon. Quite a commotion. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: leaned forward in the pulpit.
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  Speaker 9: This whole section here just splintered and broke right off,
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  Speaker 9: ruined my whole sermon. Well, I can finish this up later.
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  Speaker 9: Have it share their offices very much? Yeah, well, there
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  Speaker 9: it is. Sergeants, their names, descriptions, and missus Tom Herbert
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  Speaker 9: that's the name they used.
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  Speaker 8: Anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Would you mind briefing this and then how it happened? Reverend?
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  Speaker 4: When did you first meet this couple?
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  Speaker 9: It came to us a little over a month ago.
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  Speaker 9: They didn't have any reason to be suspicious. Mister Herbert
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  Speaker 9: showed me some fine rapperence says, I didn't think it
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  Speaker 9: was necessary to check them.
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  Speaker 8: What kind of approach did they used?
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  Speaker 4: Could you do it well?
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  Speaker 9: The first visit, Missus Herbert did most of the talking.
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  Speaker 9: She told me she and her husband wanted to write
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  Speaker 9: a history of our church. It was supposed to be
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  Speaker 9: part of an historical book on all the churches in
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  Speaker 9: the county.
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  Speaker 4: Naturally, I felt a little flattered about it.
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  Speaker 2: Did this mister and missus Herbert make any demands for
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  Speaker 2: money or to write about your church?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, oh no, no, there was no money involved
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  Speaker 4: at first.
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  Speaker 8: They said.
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  Speaker 9: All I wanted was our cooperation and doing some of
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  Speaker 9: the research work, you know, looking up dates.
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  Speaker 8: Names, things like that. I see.
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  Speaker 9: It seemed very sincere. Both of them didn't drink smoked.
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  Speaker 9: They worked very hard during research and writing. I don't
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  Speaker 9: know why they had to change. Would have been nice
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  Speaker 9: having history written about our church, Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Why did they first bring up the idea of money.
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  Speaker 9: Well, mister Herbert gave me one day and showed me
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  Speaker 9: this letter. It was supposed to be from the people
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  Speaker 9: who were going to publish the history of our church.
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  Speaker 9: Letters said, well, because of certain business reasons, the whole
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  Speaker 9: thing was off.
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  Speaker 4: They could and published the book. Mister Herbert acted very sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Did he leave that letter with your reverend.
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  Speaker 9: No, he took it with him. I felt badly about
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  Speaker 9: the whole thing. They're doing all that work and then
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  Speaker 9: the book not being published.
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  Speaker 6: Did the Herberts brought the idea of you and the
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  Speaker 6: church putting up the money to print the book?
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  Speaker 9: Well, no, not exactly, but I guess they gave me
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  Speaker 9: the idea.
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  Speaker 8: How do you mean?
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  Speaker 9: They suggested that I talk it over the church board,
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  Speaker 9: so I did. We all agreed it to be ashamed
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  Speaker 9: to give up the idea of the book after so
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  Speaker 9: much work had gone into it.
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  Speaker 4: Is that when you agreed to finance the.
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  Speaker 8: Book, well, the board and I did.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, It's all my fault, though I helped to persuade
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  Speaker 4: them the money came out of church funds? Is that?
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  Speaker 9: As a matter of fact, it didn't. We only have
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  Speaker 9: a small operating fund. So you can see where small
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  Speaker 9: church congregation isn't wealthy.
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  Speaker 6: And where did money come from?
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  Speaker 9: Well, for one thing, the ladies of the Altar Society
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  Speaker 9: put on a Sunday afternoon Ham dinner.
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  Speaker 8: It made some money, and then the.
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  Speaker 9: Herbert suggested we helped sell advertising to pay part of
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  Speaker 9: the cost, so we did that too.
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  Speaker 8: It still wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 4: Well, exactly how much did you turn over to the Herbits?
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  Speaker 9: Eight hundred and four dollars and sixty one cents I
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  Speaker 9: had to borrow three hundred and fifty from the bank
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  Speaker 9: to make it. It all had to be paid back
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  Speaker 9: people who paid for their advertising too. It all had
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  Speaker 9: to come out of our pockets. A terrible thing. Yes,
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  Speaker 9: it's terrible. I don't know what I'm going to do. Hey,
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  Speaker 9: that's congregation for it. Their offerings have always been so generous,
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  Speaker 9: and they're not wealthy, Ei, They're just working people.
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  Speaker 4: When was the last time that you heard from this
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  Speaker 4: mister miss Herbert Rever?
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  Speaker 9: Week ago? I guess yes, it was last Monday. I
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  Speaker 9: got anxious and called them at their hotel. It's on
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  Speaker 9: South Grand I can give you the address. They told
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  Speaker 9: me when the books would be ready, and said it
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  Speaker 9: would be on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 8: It's the last I heard them.
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  Speaker 2: No forwarding address, no other place that you think we
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  Speaker 2: might find them.
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  Speaker 9: No, I'm sorry, just don't have any idea. So hard
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  Speaker 9: to believe anyone would do such a thing to us.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, see, when if we could have the address of
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  Speaker 6: their hotel.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, sir, come with me, I have it over the house.
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  Speaker 4: Did did mister and missus Herbert have a car? Do
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  Speaker 4: you know, Reverend?
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  Speaker 9: I don't think so. If they did, I never saw it.
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  Speaker 9: You know what I'm going to tell the congregation. Eight
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  Speaker 9: hundred dollars. It's a lot of money to our people. Yes,
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  Speaker 9: tell me, sergeant. I don't mean to be uncharitable. But
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  Speaker 9: mister and missus Herbert, they have a criminal record. Have
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  Speaker 9: they done this sort of thing before?
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  Speaker 2: Well, their descriptions seem to fit a couple that we've
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  Speaker 2: been looking for. They've been working the churches in this
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  Speaker 2: area on and off for a couple.
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  Speaker 4: Of years now. I can't understand why they do such
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  Speaker 4: a thing.
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  Speaker 8: It's almost like robbing at poor box.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so they've done that too.
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  Speaker 2: Eleven fifteen am we went back to the city Hall
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  Speaker 2: and pulled the package on the suspects, mister and missus
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  Speaker 2: Tom Herbert.
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  Speaker 10: They were a.
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  Speaker 2: Veteran man and wife confidence team who'd worked the Los
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  Speaker 2: Angeles area and other large cities around the country. There
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  Speaker 2: especialty seemed to be swindling churches and clergymen over.
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  Speaker 4: A period of seventeen years.
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  Speaker 2: They piled up a long record involving frauds and various
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  Speaker 2: bunco games, but they'd only been brought to trial once
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  Speaker 2: the case had been dismissed for lack of sufficient evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Eleven thirty five am. We took mug shots of mister
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  Speaker 2: and missus Herbert out to the Reverend.
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  Speaker 4: Olsen and he identified them.
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  Speaker 2: We checked the hotel on South Grand where they'd been
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  Speaker 2: staying no leeds. We got out a local broadcast and
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  Speaker 2: an APV on them. Together with the sheriff's office, we
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  Speaker 2: sent a special bulletin about the Herberts to the pastors
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  Speaker 2: of the different churches in the city and county. From
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  Speaker 2: the list of names on the Marmi sheet, we began
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  Speaker 2: checking out all the known friends.
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  Speaker 4: And relatives of the suspects.
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  Speaker 2: One of them was a Clyde Harris, proprietor of a
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  Speaker 2: physical culture school out in the Wiltshire district. One pm Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: we drove out to talk to him. Which way, Jill,
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  Speaker 2: right down the street the blue and whints signed Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Venus School of Physical Culture. I can make you and
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  Speaker 6: all American girl. Clyde Harris manager looks like the office here,
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  Speaker 6: you know we're supposed to meet him in the gym
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  Speaker 6: that's next door.
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  Speaker 11: Oh yeah here, no glad, No yeahs.
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  Speaker 4: Back this way.
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  Speaker 10: I guess.
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  Speaker 12: All right, now, what are you going to see? All
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  Speaker 12: together with me?
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  Speaker 4: Lean cow.
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  Speaker 12: Who now ex.
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  Speaker 6: Now, well, please clean cool, it's awesome.
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  Speaker 12: Whoa down?
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  Speaker 10: Why?
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  Speaker 12: Who down too?
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  Speaker 6: Then? Then down?
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  Speaker 4: Hold in a minute now, I'm sorry, this is Tollison.
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  Speaker 12: You're doing it wrong. Your pelvis is all out of position.
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  Speaker 4: Excuse me, you're Clyde Harris.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, did you want something?
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  Speaker 4: Police officers but to Harris like talk to you?
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  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, sir?
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  Speaker 6: Could you hold on half a minute?
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  Speaker 4: Chuirg Alady Francis, would you take over.
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  Speaker 12: Here for a few minutes. I have to talk to
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  Speaker 12: these gentlemen ladies.
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  Speaker 6: Francis is going to count for you for a while.
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  Speaker 12: You go right ahead with a lesson. I'll be back
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  Speaker 12: in a few minutes.
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  Speaker 6: Back here, officers won't take too long with you, nose
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  Speaker 6: just a few minutes. Sorry to interrupt your last It's
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  Speaker 6: all right. I just don't want to have the ladies
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  Speaker 6: thinking uneglected. And they paid good money for these exercises. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: here we are. I had a cherry thank you. You
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  Speaker 6: said something about Tom Herbert on the phone, sergeant.
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  Speaker 12: What's it all about?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we understand that you're a friend of the Herbert's.
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  Speaker 4: Mister Harris.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I knew Tom and Dorris a couple of years back.
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  Speaker 6: I haven't seen much of them lately. When was the
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  Speaker 6: last time is oone seen? Must be two three months? Anyway,
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  Speaker 6: anything wrong?
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  Speaker 8: Well?
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  Speaker 4: Do you know where we could locate them?
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  Speaker 8: I don't know for sure.
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  Speaker 6: Last time I saw him they were at a hotel
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  Speaker 6: downtown in South Grand I think you know South Grand
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  Speaker 6: writing your people.
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  Speaker 4: We have no idea where they moved for the left there. No,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't even know they've moved.
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  Speaker 6: They haven't phoned or contacted you all in the last
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  Speaker 6: month or so. No, not a word and none in
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  Speaker 6: the jam Again, are they.
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  Speaker 4: We'd like to talk to him? That's Would you know
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  Speaker 4: of any of their favorite spots around town? Eating drinking places?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 6: I don't think I could say. They got around quite
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  Speaker 6: a bit. You checked with some of their other friends
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  Speaker 6: around town and Pattens and Thompson's Mike run Yam what
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  Speaker 6: was that last one? Mike Runyan very good friend of
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  Speaker 6: the Herberts Ben No, I don't recall the name.
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  Speaker 4: But how could we get in touch with this run in?
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  Speaker 4: Mister Harris, He's.
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  Speaker 6: Got a phone. Come out in the office. We'll call
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  Speaker 6: him if you like, Thank you very much. I'll get
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  Speaker 6: Mike on the line for you. To introduced you.
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  Speaker 2: Would you mind talking to them, Harris, don't tell them
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  Speaker 2: it's for us. Just ask if he knows where the
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  Speaker 2: Herberts are, would mine?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: All right, no answer?
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  Speaker 6: Maybe hello, Mike fight Harris, Mike, Yeah, how are you fine?
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  Speaker 8: Fine? Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: A long time is am?
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  Speaker 8: Mike?
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  Speaker 6: You any idea where Tom Endras Herbert are?
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  Speaker 8: Is right?
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  Speaker 4: How about that?
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  Speaker 12: How you doing?
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  Speaker 6: No, that's okay, it's not important. Sure, I think, Mike,
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  Speaker 6: make it soon, eh, right y? Yeah, No, he doesn't
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  Speaker 6: know where the Herbert's is staying. Saw him a week
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  Speaker 6: ago out in Hollywood, though, says they're doing fine.
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  Speaker 8: How do you mean?
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  Speaker 6: Ran into him outside that big church on Hollywood Boulevard.
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  Speaker 6: They told Mike all about it. They really got religion,
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  Speaker 6: that's so.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: They're even writing a book about the church.
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  Speaker 2: We called back Mike Runyon, the friend of the suspect,
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  Speaker 2: and he gave us the location of the church where
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  Speaker 2: he'd seen mister and missus Herbert. Ben and I drove
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  Speaker 2: out there and talked to the pastor, Reverend John Kenworth.
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  Speaker 4: We showed him the Herbert's mugshots and he identified them.
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  Speaker 4: They were going under the.
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  Speaker 2: Name of Williams and supposedly they were writing a book
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  Speaker 2: about the history of the church. To cover publishing expenses
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  Speaker 2: and research, more than one thousand dollars from Perry's contributions
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  Speaker 2: had been placed in a separate account at a local bank.
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  Speaker 2: Reverend Kenworth told us that it was a special the
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  Speaker 2: count and the Herberts had access to it.
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  Speaker 4: Ben got on the phone, called the bank.
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  Speaker 8: How's that?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, sir, uh huh, yeah, all right, thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Were they saying the two of them were in the
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  Speaker 6: bank yesterday. They didn't draw out everything. How much do
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  Speaker 6: they leave? Three dollars?
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  Speaker 2: Ben and I checked with the teller at the bank
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  Speaker 2: and showed him mugshots of mister and missus Herbert. He
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  Speaker 2: identified them as the couple who'd withdrawn the church funds.
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  Speaker 2: We went to the hotel address the suspects.
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  Speaker 4: Had given to Reverend Kenworth.
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  Speaker 2: They checked out two days before the search went on.
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks passed, we ran out of leeds, no further
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  Speaker 2: reports on the couple. A month went by Tuesday, May
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  Speaker 2: twenty third, we got an APB from San Francisco and
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  Speaker 2: a couple answering the Herbert's description. They were still working
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  Speaker 2: at Church Angle. During the next six weeks, we got
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  Speaker 2: reports on them from Washington, Oregon, Nevada, and northern California.
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  Speaker 2: In Sacramento, they apparently changed their mo for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: They started selling phony health insurance policies. They promised everything,
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  Speaker 2: and they had a lot of takers. One of the
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  Speaker 2: big selling points was a clause which promised full protection.
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  Speaker 4: If anybody in the family should come down with polio.
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  Speaker 2: From Sacramento, they headed south to Oakland and then to Fresno.
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  Speaker 2: On July tenth, the complaints started to come in and
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  Speaker 2: we knew the Herberts had moved into Los Angeles with
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  Speaker 2: their health insurance racket. One of the first victims was
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  Speaker 2: a Carl Fogerty. He lived out in the West Lake area.
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  Speaker 4: There's a policy they gave me. Sorry, he picks health insurance.
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  Speaker 4: Not worth the paper it's printed on.
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  Speaker 6: When did they sell you this, mister foger Do you
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  Speaker 6: remember three weeks ago?
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  Speaker 13: I guess never would have known it was phony if
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  Speaker 13: my boy hadn't come.
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  Speaker 4: Down with polio.
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  Speaker 8: How's he getting along?
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  Speaker 4: It's a too good right leg. He's got it bad.
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  Speaker 13: There's not as if we don't have enough grief.
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  Speaker 4: We got to lose out on this bum insurance. You
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  Speaker 4: matter if I take a look at that policy, sir, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: Here we are, Yeah, the same outfit, Joe, Apex Health Insurance,
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  Speaker 6: same pony address.
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  Speaker 4: Would you remember the man who sold you this? Do
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: you think I think I would?
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: I wonder if you'd mind looking through these pictures, mister Fogerty,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: not at all. Just look at them carefully if you will.
• 17:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah, this one, that's him.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: I remember who's he?
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: His name's Herbert. When he came in to sell you
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: this policy, was he alone?
• 17:30
  Speaker 13: Yeah, he was, and a real good sales to it.
• 17:33
  Speaker 13: How much did you pay for the insurance? Let me see?
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: Forty three dollars and some odd sense.
• 17:40
  Speaker 13: I remember that cause I cashed him a war bond
• 17:42
  Speaker 13: and I took five dollars out of the rent money.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Outside of this policy here, you have no other papers
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: that the man might have given.
• 17:47
  Speaker 13: You, No nothing but this business card here he gave
• 17:50
  Speaker 13: me that you see here, the same name Apex Health Insurance.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, thank you very much, mister Fogerty. We hope
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: you little.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: Boy out of it all right, Yes, thanks, Well, here's
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: our cards. There's anything we can do, give us a call. Sure, okay,
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: but timely checked the office.
• 18:08
  Speaker 10: Huh I think?
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: So do you have a phone here, mister Fogerty, Oh yeah,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: so I did, straight back in the hall there help
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: you O. Thank you very much?
• 18:26
  Speaker 14: Two five seven two yeah, that's right. Yeah, Fred Joe
• 18:32
  Speaker 14: Friday the name for us in the book m west
• 18:36
  Speaker 14: seven Yeah, okay, right, thanks Fred?
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: Anything doing? And what's pretty good?
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Office?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Got a call from a printing shop out on West seventh.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: The manager's got an order. Reason, not too sure about.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: How do you mean it's for a batch of letterhead
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: stationary business cards?
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for who Apex Health Insurance.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: You are listening to Dragnet will the step by step
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: solution to Tonight's authentic case history.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Wednesday, July tenth, four pm, Ben and I drove back
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: downtown to the printing shop on West seventh Street and
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: talked with the manager.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: He told us that the order for stationary and business.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Cards for the Apex Health Insurance company had been placed
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: two days before. He said he becomes suspicious after reading
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: a story in one of the newspapers about the polio
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: insurance fraud. He also said that the customer who had
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: ordered this stuff was a woman. She told him that
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: she would call and pick up the order on Friday.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: We showed the manager a handful of mugshots. He could
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: give us only a partial identification of Missus Herbert's picture.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: We called the office, told them we were going on
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: steakhout and arranged for a relief. Ben and I spent
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the rest of Wednesday and all day Thursday and Friday
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: in the rear of the print shop where we could
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: keep an eye on everyone entering their place. Friday six pm,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: no sign of the Herberts. Not a trace.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Saturday the same, no sign of either one of them.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Monday, more waiting. The suspects stayed away. Tuesday three point
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: thirty pm. I went out the rear door, went down
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the street and got some cigarettes, and then I headed
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: back for the print shop.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Man, keep your coat on, Joe. Just call the office
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: for a relief.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Why what's doing?
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: I applied Harris, friend of the Herberts, guy who runs
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: the physical culture school.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what about him?
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: He called the office one to talk to us.
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: I phoned him out there at the gym.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: He told me he was out drinking last night and
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: he met Missus Herbert at a bar.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: She was alone.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: Did tell you where to find her the Greenwood Apartments
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: six o three.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: When the relief men arrived.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Then and I left and drove across town to the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Greenwood Apartments on Taylor Street was a three story frame
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: buildings set back from the sidewalk, behind the sloping lawn,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: lined with a box hedge.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: We checked the name was on the mealboxes. The name TJ.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: Bronson was listed for apartment six o three. We rang,
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: but there was no answer. To try to manage, you know, yeah,
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: it's a nice place. Insurance racket must be paying.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Off on him.
• 21:14
  Speaker 12: Here we go, Yeah, I help you.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, so you're the manager.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: Here, that's right, that's my name.
• 21:29
  Speaker 12: Can I help you?
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: Police officers, mister thatcher.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: We're trying to locate the people in six oh three.
• 21:33
  Speaker 15: Oh, that crazy woman tried to blow up the place
• 21:36
  Speaker 15: last night.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Why what do you mean, missus Bronson?
• 21:39
  Speaker 15: She came in drunk about two am, no sense at all.
• 21:42
  Speaker 15: About three am, the folks in six oh one call
• 21:45
  Speaker 15: me and they said the small gas. I went up
• 21:47
  Speaker 15: there and found her in the kitchen at I'd like
• 21:50
  Speaker 15: a light gas stove turned on, going full blass crazy.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Where's her husband? Couldn't say?
• 21:55
  Speaker 15: Chasing around again, I think hadn't been home in a week.
• 21:59
  Speaker 15: Lucky I got to that, I guess before sawing a
• 22:01
  Speaker 15: little match.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: You said it happened about three this morning.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: That's right, it's a crazy woman. She'll be all right, though.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Where's she now?
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: Do you know? Yeah?
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: County Hospital, four twenty five pm.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Ben and I got in touch with the office and
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: arranged for a stake out at the Herbert's apartment. We
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: called homicide and checked on the attempts suicide report. They
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: informed us that the woman had been taken to the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Cycle Award County Hospital. We went over to the hospital,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: checked at the main desk and identified ourselves. The nurse
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: on duty had us shown to the ward where the suspect,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Doris Herbert, was confined. She was a half way attractive
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: woman in her late forties, short, bleached blonde hair, dark
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: eyes with deep circles under them. She turned and looked
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: up as we stopped beside her bed.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Excuse me you, Doris Herbert's your name, Doris Herbert?
• 22:47
  Speaker 16: Who you want?
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Police officers would like to talk to you for a minute.
• 22:50
  Speaker 17: I knew you'd be around. I don't care, ma'am. I'm
• 22:53
  Speaker 17: sick of it. I'm sick of the whole rotten thing.
• 22:55
  Speaker 17: I knew you'd come.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: We just have a few questions, ma'am. It won't take long.
• 22:58
  Speaker 16: Go ahead, I don't care. Did you find him yet?
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: You mean your husband?
• 23:02
  Speaker 16: Not my husband, not anymore?
• 23:04
  Speaker 17: Him and that cheap girl behind my back sneaking around
• 23:08
  Speaker 17: twenty years would been happy?
• 23:09
  Speaker 16: And he throws me away.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: Where's your husband?
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: Now?
• 23:11
  Speaker 16: Is with her? I've been with her awake. He doesn't
• 23:14
  Speaker 16: even care. I'm here twenty years ago.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: He cared.
• 23:19
  Speaker 16: I found him, taught him something. I told him everything.
• 23:21
  Speaker 16: He knows this.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Girl that your husband's with. Where does she stay to?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 23:25
  Speaker 17: An apartment. It's on Franklin, around the corner of Franklin
• 23:27
  Speaker 17: and Laurel.
• 23:29
  Speaker 16: You were close, weren't you. You knew it was us.
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: What's this girl's name?
• 23:33
  Speaker 16: Mary Daily? I saw her with him? Tell me something? Yeah,
• 23:39
  Speaker 16: you know it was us, Tom and me the insurance.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we knew it was you.
• 23:42
  Speaker 16: I didn't like it wasn't a clean game. Tom's idea.
• 23:47
  Speaker 16: He made money, but I didn't like it. It wasn't clean.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: All right, missus Herbert, We'll talk to you later.
• 23:52
  Speaker 16: Oh not me.
• 23:53
  Speaker 17: I'm gonna die I'm gonna die and forget all about it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 17: Let's be sure and get him, won't you.
• 23:58
  Speaker 16: Tom. I told him everything he knows. Get him.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: You're sure about the adress.
• 24:04
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm sure. Temmy Sonny, Why do you have to
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: do it to me? Showing me away, lying, taking that
• 24:12
  Speaker 16: cheap girl? Why do you do it to me?
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Well, you ought to have an idea. You taught him
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: everything he knows.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Before we left the hospital, we made arrangements to have
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Doris Herbert transferred to the prison. Ward five PM, we
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: drove out to the apartment house at Franklin and Laurel
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: and checked with a landlady. She told us that Tom
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Herbert's girlfriend, Marie Daily, had checked out of her apartment
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the day before.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: She said the Daily Girl had a middle aged man
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: with her.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: We showed the landlady Herbert's mugshot and she identified him
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: as that man. She had no forwarding address on her,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: but she did remember the name of the express truck
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: that called.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: To pick up the Daily Girl's baggage. We checked with
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: the express company and found that the trunks had been
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: taken to the Lockheed Air terminal. We started calling the airlines.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Six thirty pm We finally got a report that a
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: man answering Tom Herbert's description at book passage for two
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: on a flight to Mexico City.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: The plane was scheduled to leave at eight thirty five.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: That night, Ben and I drove out to the airport
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and went on steakeout eight fifteen pm.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: We waited eight twenty No sign of them. United airlineres
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: mainliners fly at six forty nine from Denver and intermediate cities.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: They're getting a little late. Huh yeah until twenty four.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: They're cutting it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: Clothes going in the bar.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Joe take a love. Yeah, that's them.
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: Let's go.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: Not hard to spot. What's the matter with a girl?
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Looks pretty jerky? Hi, come on, reveen Water.
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: I'm ready.
• 25:42
  Speaker 12: How what you want?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, haven't got much time. We don't want to miss
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: that plane. You Tom Herbert? Yes, what is it? Police
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: officers like, talk to you downtown just a minute. This
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: must be some kind of mistake.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: No mistake, Herbert, We talked to your wife.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Let's go where they want.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: Nothing. It's a mistake.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: Now, look, officers, I don't know what this is all about,
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: but we have to get a plane the.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Eight thirty five. I can't go downtown with you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: Can we talk it over here.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: I'm sure we can straighten this out. Your wife copped out, Herbert.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Now let's make it easy.
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: Huh.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: Come on, lady, what's he talking about?
• 26:11
  Speaker 16: Tom? Or wife?
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: What's he mean?
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I told you it's a mistake.
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: Not be reasonable.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Ah, sir. All we want to do is take a trip.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: We've been planning on this. New clothes, new luggage. Here's
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: your head.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: Of course, outside's a mistake.
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: You can't do this.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: We planned on it. We've been waiting a long time
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: for this. Yes or so we Well, let's go.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: The story you have just heard was true, only the
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: names were changed to protect the innocent.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: On October twenty eighth, trial was held in Superior Court,
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Department eighty eight, City and County of Los Angeles, State
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: of California.
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: In a moment the results of that trial, mister.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: And missus Tom Herbert were tried and convicted on several
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: counts of grand theft. They are now confined in the
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: state penitentiary for all the term prescribed by law. Grand
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: theft is punishable by confinement for not less than one
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: nor more than ten years. You have just heard dragnet
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: a series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Los Angeles Police.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: David Hardy ENCOUNTERSPY solves an exciting case.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Next on NBC, Welcome Back, a solid Bunco episode with
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: two rackets, and I think you'll find both rackets around
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: in one form or another today. The health insurance scam
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: is particularly salient. The fear of polio in those days
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: was huge repairents and essentially they played into that as
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to relieve that fear false hope, and you'll
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: see the exact same thing in so many scams today. Also,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: this series continues to capture so many elements of life
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties due to realism, such as the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: sound of an exercise class, which is definitely a little
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: less sensitive than today. I can't imagine calling someone out
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: by name and telling them they're doing something wrong in
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: front of the fall class. It'd be more like, you know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: coming over subtly and saying, you know, this is what
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you want to do, but not in that day, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: then of course you had the airport. Compare that to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the somewhat half hearted attempt at creating the sound of
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: an airport from mister Chameleon we heard a few months back. Well,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: now we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: start with this letter from Ron and Nancy and they write,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: thanks Adam, keep these coming. Our daughter is an author,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: so we understand and appreciate the time and effort you
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: put in on research. Well, thank you so much. And
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: then we have a comment from YouTube regarding the big
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: cast and a listener writes, there, I love the episodes
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: with small cast like this one very intense. I definitely
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: agree on that. And then I also have an email
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: on the same episode. Caleb writes, my deepest contolances to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you and your family, especially your wife on the passing
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of your father in law. I will say a prayer
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: for all of you. Well, thank you so much. I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: really do appreciate that, Caleb, and again all the kind
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: words we've received, and he goes on to write I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: was listening to the Dragonet episode with the serial killer
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and it was superb. I kept waiting for Friday Romero
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to conclude that the suspect was actually just making a
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: false confession of some sort and was floored when it
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: turned out he was just so non about murdering so
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: many people. I really enjoyed the format of this episode
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: where the crime has been solved and it was really
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: just the interrogation and hearing from the suspect. Given the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: fact that this suspect was convicted and executed for committee
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: multiple murders, I wasn't sure if this would be the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: type of case where it would be easier or feasible
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to link the episode to the real life crime. I
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: know there wasn't court TV, the Internet or true crime
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: podcast when these episodes aired, but I'm guessing that for
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the really serious crimes, it would be able to figure
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: out the actual case upon which this was based. By comparison,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: when the Dragonet episode is about a series of burglaries
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: or something similar, I'm assuming such a task would be impossible. Again,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: my condolence is on your loss and thank you for
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: all of the fantastic work that you do. From Caleb
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania, well thanks so much. Once again, Caleb and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I did look into this. I couldn't find anything and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I and as I was thinking about it, I think
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I know why, and watching the TV episode makes it clear.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: At the end, they said he was convicted of murdering
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: the first degree. They did not say how many counts
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: he was convicted of, and I suspect that, based on
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: what we heard and saw in the episode, that Ross
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: was only convicted of one count, And in many ways,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: it comes down to something that was discussed a few
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: months back regarding that concept of corpus delectime, which is
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: often misused, as you know, kind of a throwaway joke line,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: almost with the assumption that the lack of a body
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: somehow prevents a murder charge. When corpus delecti isn't about
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the body of the victim. It's about the body of
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the crime. In essence, when we get to the point
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of asking is their corpus delecti, we're asking is there
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: evidence that a crime actually happened with that last killing?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Even before Friday and Romero confronted him, that element was
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: pretty well established. There was evidence that a crime had happened,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: because you had the paperwork on the sale of the car,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: which was in Ross's handwriting, with him having forged the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: dead man's signature. That right there proved Ross guilty of
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: theft and forgery and was indictivecative of other things. But then,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: of course you then had the letter to the wife,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: which is very hard to explain away because the letter
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: indicated that ross knew a bit about her husband's affairs
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: enough to try to attempt to write to her, and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it also indicated that ross knew that her husband would
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: be unable to write to her. I mean, honestly, on
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: what they had collected, he could have been taken to
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: trial and probably would have been convicted ninety percent chance.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: But they did want the location of the body, which
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: confirmed Ross's story of how he killed him. But what
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: about the other cases? Is there a corpus DELECTI a
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: body of a crime? No? Not really. Now, in his
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: confession he named one other victim. In real life, he
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: might have named more. But does the fact that some
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: men went missing and Boss admitted to killing them in
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that you've got evidence that there's a crime. No, not really.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Men disappear for whatever reason all the time, and there
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: are many hazards, both man made and otherwise, along the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: highways of California, as well as some men who just
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: decide they want to disappear. And that someone confesses to
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: having killed someone doesn't itself prove a crime, because there
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: are many people who will say I killed someone and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: in many cases they didn't. In fact, in some cases
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: of missing persons, people have kept stepped forward to say
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I killed this person, and then the person turns up. Now,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: certainly Ross could have provided details on at least some
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of the cases where the police could find evidence of
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: his crime, but why would he? And in some cases
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: he might have totally forgotten details, given how many he'd
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: done and how calmon place and calmly he viewed the crime,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: except for those that stood out in his memory. And
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I think that I believe that he did kill a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: lot of people from a point of view of having
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: watched the performances. And certainly cases at this point that
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: came into dragnet were ones where police officers shared a
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: case that they thought would be worth dragnet covering. And
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: certainly you can imagine that the police officer who's admitted
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: this believe that this person really did commit these murders.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And it certainly matches with a lot of the very cold,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: nonchalant talk we've heard from some serial killers and goes
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: against the sort of media stereotype of the somewhat maniacal
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: character who is a serial killer. But actual evidence for
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the rest of the crimes just didn't exist, and the prosecutor,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: truth be told, didn't need you can only execute a
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: man once, and we don't know when this was, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: there may even have been a mandatory death penalty, and
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: you actually I was looking at the pages for US
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: serial killers, the Wikipedia entry on it, and there are
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: multiple serial killers who have a number of killings that
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: they committed and are known, but there are also a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: lot that are unconfirmed. So this isn't uncommon. And this
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: was of course in the age before there came to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: be this big focus on a true crime, although certainly
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: there was interest and sensational cases, and an enterprising reporter
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: might have gotten an article in the fourth or fifth
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  Speaker 1: page of the newspaper about it based on the confession
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of multiple killings, if that was something that the prosecutor
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: discussed or highlighted at all. But in terms of what
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: went to trial and what he was charged with, it
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: was a case of one guy killing another guy on
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the highway over a small amount of money. This is
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a case where I could imagine it being covered, and
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: there might be some article somebody finds from that era,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: which really could probably be any time between the nineteen
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: twenties and the nineteen fifties.
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: But if it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Wasn't properly researched, it definitely seems like something that could
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: also have been overlooked, particularly depending on what else might
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: have been going on in the news. But thanks so
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: much for the question. Now it's time to thank our
• 37:43
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• 38:10
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• 38:17
  Speaker 10: Hello Brooks.
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  Speaker 18: My name is Mike Wearing. I wonder if you could
• 38:20
  Speaker 18: spare me a few minutes. I'm sorry, I got no
• 38:22
  Speaker 18: I'm playing dots. This won't take much time. Hey bartender,
• 38:26
  Speaker 18: we have a couple of pints.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Here I go.
• 38:29
  Speaker 18: You want to sit at this table in all right?
• 38:32
  Speaker 18: You've got your blooming I hear, take a look at
• 38:35
  Speaker 18: my credentials. You ain't a blooming copper. No, not exactly,
• 38:40
  Speaker 18: but Colonel Logan suggested I talk to you.
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: Well, I do nothing.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: If somebody's pinched something, well, it wasn't me.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: I'm sure it wasn't.
• 38:47
  Speaker 18: I was just wondering if you ever saw anyone in
• 38:49
  Speaker 18: the Colonel's office after hours?
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, like, oh.
• 38:53
  Speaker 18: For example, like any of the men or missus Draper,
• 38:56
  Speaker 18: the Colonel secretary, and I mean.
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: The spies work.
• 39:00
  Speaker 18: What makes you ask that I go to cinema as
• 39:03
  Speaker 18: see now those hello's work.
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: If I thought there was someynky panky going on there is,
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: what do you know?
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: My question is what do you know?
• 39:12
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  Speaker 1: This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.