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77. Harley Pasternak, Nutrition Expert & Celebrity Trainer · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Hurdlers, Emily, A body here coming at you with
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  Speaker 1: episode seventy seven of Hurdle, a podcast that talks to
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  Speaker 1: everyone from entrepreneurs to top CEOs and athletes about how
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  Speaker 1: they've gotten through tough times hurdles of sorts by leaning
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  Speaker 1: in to wellness. Today, I am sitting down with Harley Pastrnak.
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  Speaker 1: He is well known as a celebrity trainer, working with
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  Speaker 1: everyone in his past from Halle Berry to Ariana Grande.
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  Speaker 1: But the man wears many hats, which we will get
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  Speaker 1: into in just a little bit. This is fun because
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  Speaker 1: I've had the opportunity to chat with Harley so many
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  Speaker 1: times now. I've known the guy for years. He is
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  Speaker 1: so so good at what he does and so obscenely knowledgeable.
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  Speaker 1: We've sat down everywhere from the Coachella Valley to Hong Kong,
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  Speaker 1: No code necessary, all right, Harley Pasternak. In today's episode,
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  Speaker 1: he talks to me about how he got to where
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  Speaker 1: he is today, traveling the world, building gyms for the
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  Speaker 1: four seasons and working with some of the biggest names
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  Speaker 1: and brands in the game. We talk about how he
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  Speaker 1: ended up teaching about performance enhancing substances at just nineteen
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  Speaker 1: years old in college and the scary experience that had
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  Speaker 1: him changing his major. We also talk about something that
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  Speaker 1: he really struggled with until recently, and that is an
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  Speaker 1: addiction to sugar. Growing up in a home with two
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  Speaker 1: diabetic brothers. His relationship with the sweet Stuff has always
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  Speaker 1: been a little complicated, and not all that long ago,
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  Speaker 1: he had a hurdle moment of sorts when he walked
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  Speaker 1: into a local spot to order a chocolate chip cookie,
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  Speaker 1: his favorite, and the team behind the counter said, third
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  Speaker 1: one today, it's interesting and that it's one of those
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  Speaker 1: scenarios that you know you might have an issue, but
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  Speaker 1: until someone says it out loud and you confront it
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  Speaker 1: head on, it's not exactly something you might be willing
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  Speaker 1: to deal with. But Harley knew, being this guy that
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  Speaker 1: helps people become their healthiest self, that he too needed
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  Speaker 1: to make a change, and so we chat about how
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  Speaker 1: he did that. We chat about the new product called
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  Speaker 1: sweet Kick that he's bringing to market to help people
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  Speaker 1: eat less sugar. Like I said, Harley is a really,
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  Speaker 1: really smart guy and there are a lot of really
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  Speaker 1: helpful takeaways in this episode. You know the Drill at
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with Harley Pasternak. Harley is I can
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  Speaker 1: run down the list of accolades here. He's a best
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  Speaker 1: selling author, he's a nutrition expert. He's a global fitness
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  Speaker 1: advisor for the Four Seasons, your motivational speaker. Is there
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  Speaker 1: anything you don't do?
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  Speaker 2: I don't clean, no cleaning, I don't clean heading. I'm
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  Speaker 2: also the global director of Fitness for Reebok, CBD, Medic,
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  Speaker 2: Four Seasons, Hotels, Propel. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: E've been in the fitness game for a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Now, twenty seven years.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, I'm very lucky to be joining you inside
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  Speaker 1: of your office space. And there's a lot of really
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  Speaker 1: awesome stuff on the walls, including this younger photo of
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  Speaker 1: a very.
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  Speaker 2: Very ripped you. That was I used to train with
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  Speaker 2: mister Universe, and we trained the same, we ate the same.
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  Speaker 2: One of us used performance enhancing substances, one of us
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  Speaker 2: did not, and you can see the difference between the.
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  Speaker 1: Two of us, between mister Universe and you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to be here with you today. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for sitting down with me.
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  Speaker 2: Me too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, obviously we're in Los Angeles now.
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  Speaker 1: But where are you from.
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  Speaker 2: I'm from Toronto, Canada for the most part. I grew
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  Speaker 2: up in Toronto playing hockey, and then I moved to
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  Speaker 2: London for my first undergraduate degree, moved back to Toronto
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  Speaker 2: for the Mike's two degrees, and then I moved to Montreal.
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  Speaker 2: Then I moved to Vancouver, then back to La then
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  Speaker 2: New York, then Kuala lumpur Abu Dhabi, then La then
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  Speaker 2: I'm here. I'm in La now.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's pretty impressive. Do you have a favorites?
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  Speaker 2: Toronto?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, home Street Home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Toronto, Montreal. I love, I love La. I love
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  Speaker 2: where I live. I mean, I wouldn't be here if
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  Speaker 2: I didn't love it, but it's nice to have free
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  Speaker 2: medice in for education. No one has a gun. Sorry
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  Speaker 2: if I offended anyone out there, but I don't like guns.
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame you man. Okay. So Toronto home, La
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  Speaker 1: real home now? Yes, surrounded by a lot of fitness stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Have you always been into fitness whereas your family active?
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  Speaker 1: Growing up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I was an ice hockey player in Canada. Growing up,
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  Speaker 2: I played pretty competitively, played all the way up to college,
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  Speaker 2: played golf competitively, played soccer competitively. I was very very
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  Speaker 2: decent at all of them. Not amazing at any I
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  Speaker 2: was very decent. But in hockey I was the tough
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  Speaker 2: guy and so that compensated and that got me to
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  Speaker 2: another level. And I grew up in a household where
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  Speaker 2: I was the only kid that did not have Type
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  Speaker 2: one diabetes, So that got me really interested in nutrition
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  Speaker 2: at an early age. So between that and hockey, I
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  Speaker 2: kind of had no choice but to go into my field.
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  Speaker 1: How did that impact your upbringing that how many siblings
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  Speaker 1: do you have? I have two brothers, And how did
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  Speaker 1: that impact your upbringing? All of you the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they have diabetes. I think a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily know what that entails.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, at a very young age, I had to understand,
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  Speaker 2: like what's a carbohydrate, what's insulin? What is an A
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  Speaker 2: one C? I had to understand how physical activity impacts
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  Speaker 2: your blood sugar. And these are things that I had
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  Speaker 2: to understand, not because I wanted to, but because I
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  Speaker 2: needed to, you know, and my brothers needed to. So
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  Speaker 2: and so. As I became more and more curious of
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  Speaker 2: the impact of food on our bodies, I got into bodybuilding,
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  Speaker 2: and as you can see from my funny pictures, and
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  Speaker 2: being young and your body changes so quickly at a
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  Speaker 2: young age, and manipulating my diet and my training and
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  Speaker 2: seeing how I looked different week to week. By changing
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  Speaker 2: these variables, I became enthralled in the knowledge behind your
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  Speaker 2: physique and what do I eat, how much do I eat,
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  Speaker 2: When do I train, how do I train, and all
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  Speaker 2: of these things changing the way you look. And then
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  Speaker 2: when I went to university, I spent ten years in
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  Speaker 2: university furthering that thirst for knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: That thirst for knowledge. And you, I mean you went
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  Speaker 1: to university knowing that you want to study kinesiology, and no.
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  Speaker 2: I went to school for medicine, Oh and I fainted.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so tell me about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was doing anatomy in kinesiology and we
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  Speaker 2: were doing human cata veric anatomy, and so I got
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  Speaker 2: my own body and I didn't do well with that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I made a slice through the thorax and
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  Speaker 2: you just see the insides, and then next thing you know,
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  Speaker 2: someone's helping me up off the ground, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I wrote my MCAT after that. I don't think I
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  Speaker 2: did as well as I probably should have done on
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  Speaker 2: my m CAT, that's for sure. But I could not
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  Speaker 2: be a doctor. My brother is a doctor. He's a
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  Speaker 2: brilliant surgeon. My brother, Jesse Jesse Pasternak, Doctor Jesse Pasternak
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  Speaker 2: is a brilliant surgeon who does specialized thyroid surgeries and
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  Speaker 2: he's a genius and nothing grosses him out. Everything grosses
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  Speaker 2: me out.
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  Speaker 1: So after the fainting incident, did you know at that
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  Speaker 1: point A that you needed to pivot or were you
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  Speaker 1: still kind of thinking in the back of your head
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  Speaker 1: like maybe this was a one off.
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  Speaker 2: No. I at that point, I was totally bitten by
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  Speaker 2: the fitness bug and so fascinated by nutrition, nutritional supplements,
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  Speaker 2: pharmaceuticals and its impact on the physique training. And as
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  Speaker 2: I did my kinesiology degree, I was in second year
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  Speaker 2: kinesiology and my exercise physiology professor. I kept asking him
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  Speaker 2: these questions and he says, you're asking questions that are
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  Speaker 2: a whole other level. We're only in second year, but
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like you're personally interested in this. Why don't
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  Speaker 2: you do some literature searches on it and you present
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  Speaker 2: to the class next class and you teach them what
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  Speaker 2: an ergogenicate is and it means performance enhancing substance. And
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  Speaker 2: I did, and he said, tell you what, why don't
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  Speaker 2: you teach the unit? And so here I was, at
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  Speaker 2: nineteen years old teaching nineteen year olds in college and
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  Speaker 2: twenty year olds in college. And so every year through
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  Speaker 2: my undergrad I ended up teaching part of a course
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  Speaker 2: just because when everyone went home or partied at night,
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  Speaker 2: I went back to the library and I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: need to know everything about creating. I need to understand
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  Speaker 2: every Let me find out who are the scientists in
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  Speaker 2: the world doing it? And I get Paul green Half
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  Speaker 2: on the phone in Nottingham, England, and doctor Ira Jacobs
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  Speaker 2: on the phone. You know, at the DC, I am
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  Speaker 2: and ask them questions, and I just had this this
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  Speaker 2: thirst that could not be quenched for knowledge. So that's
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  Speaker 2: at a young age when I started teaching my classmates
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  Speaker 2: and then teaching sometimes kids older than me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of interested. Do you remember the first supplements
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  Speaker 1: that you were taking that you really started to see
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  Speaker 1: a difference, because I mean there must have been something
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  Speaker 1: that triggered this, like wow, either I feel different or
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  Speaker 1: I totally see a difference in how.
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  Speaker 2: I look, or yeah, with protein powders. At a young age,
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  Speaker 2: that was one. I think I was taking a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff from the eighties that we don't hear about
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  Speaker 2: any more, early nineties, like velvet deer antler and that's brightning.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, branch chain, I mean no acids, smile ax
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  Speaker 2: gin saying all these things that are essentially useless.
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  Speaker 1: Smile axe actually sounds like a poisonous gas or laxative.
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  Speaker 2: But what really made a difference was, and I would
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  Speaker 2: not advise people to do this, it is now illegal,
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  Speaker 2: but caffeine and a federin supplements ECA stacks, when I
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  Speaker 2: would use them for energy or for fat loss, it
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  Speaker 2: really works. It also kills people do not do it.
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  Speaker 2: It's now not allowed, but at the time it was
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  Speaker 2: not banned. It was not illegal. It was a supplement
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  Speaker 2: you can buy at any vitamin store. That made a
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  Speaker 2: huge impact. And actually that was my graduate thesis and
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  Speaker 2: that was the graduate research work I did.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so you obviously knew you had a drastic
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  Speaker 1: interest in nutrition when you were graduating from college. You
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  Speaker 1: were teaching all of these classes. What did you think
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  Speaker 1: was going to be your next step?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I started personal training the summer after
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  Speaker 2: first year undergrad. I got a job at Bally's Fitness Classic.
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  Speaker 2: It was actually called bally Matrix. Back then there was
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  Speaker 2: one of them in Canada, Gordon Baker Road and Finch
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  Speaker 2: If any Canadians are out there listening. And it was
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  Speaker 2: amazing because here I was at eighteen years old and
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  Speaker 2: adults were listening to me and they respected the advice
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  Speaker 2: I was giving them. And I got to hang out
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  Speaker 2: in a gym, which I loved, and I thought this
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  Speaker 2: is and I'm getting paid for this, and you get
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  Speaker 2: paid really well, you know, relative to your age, and
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  Speaker 2: as a summer job, and I thought this was really
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  Speaker 2: cool because the summer before I was a bouncer, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't have to hit anyone, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to get a black eye, and I
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  Speaker 2: can make more money doing this. This is cool. And
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  Speaker 2: that kind of carried me over to the next year.
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  Speaker 2: And I kind of trained some students while I was
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  Speaker 2: in second year university, and then I did it in
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  Speaker 2: the summer second year and I was like wow. And
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  Speaker 2: by the time I was twenty, I had a staff
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  Speaker 2: of three trainers, and I had a studio and I
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  Speaker 2: was still an undergrad and it just happened. And so
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  Speaker 2: I said, I guess, well, A, I didn't do all
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  Speaker 2: on my mcat, but b I guess I have a
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  Speaker 2: business here, So why am I going to leave this
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  Speaker 2: to pursue another field. So and I went through a
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  Speaker 2: difficult period at that time because my best friend was
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  Speaker 2: a brilliant doctor was a doctor. All my other friends
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  Speaker 2: were lawyers and MBAs, and here I was wearing a
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  Speaker 2: tracksuit every day and they were either hospital greens or
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  Speaker 2: they wear suits. And we'd go for lunch to a
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  Speaker 2: fancy restaurant and I'd be treated differently. I'd want to
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  Speaker 2: go test drive a nice car and they'd say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they'd remind me how much it was. And I had
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  Speaker 2: this almost an inferiority complex because at the time, personal
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  Speaker 2: training wasn't a profession. Twenty seven years ago. There was
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  Speaker 2: nobody who their full time job was a trainer. You
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  Speaker 2: were a bouncer, and at daytime you were a trainer,
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  Speaker 2: or you were I'm sorry, you were a stripper, and
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  Speaker 2: that the daytime you were. I mean, that's just how
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  Speaker 2: it worked. And I remember I went to see a
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  Speaker 2: psychologist and he told me a joke. He said, this
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  Speaker 2: guy has a leak in his house. He calls the plumber.
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  Speaker 2: The plumber comes and within five minutes he finds the
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  Speaker 2: leak and he fixes it. And he says to the
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  Speaker 2: to the guy who owns the house, that'll be two
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars please, And the guy who owns the house
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  Speaker 2: two thousand dollars. I'm a neurosurgeon and I don't make
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  Speaker 2: that for five minutes of work. And the plumber said,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't either when I was a neurosurgeon. And it
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  Speaker 2: just kind of put things into perspective. Just do what
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  Speaker 2: you love, do what makes you happy. Do it gives
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  Speaker 2: you a great quality of life. It's not about a title.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about fitting into a box. And so I
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  Speaker 2: always tell people when they're pursuing a career path, do
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  Speaker 2: what you really enjoy, do what you love, and do
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  Speaker 2: what gives you what you need out of life, and
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  Speaker 2: don't worry what that career is called.
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  Speaker 1: Starting a business can be intimidating for anyone. What would
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  Speaker 1: you say was one of the biggest hurdles when you
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  Speaker 1: were were getting that off the ground?
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  Speaker 2: You know, because failure, a lot of failure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because it becomes bigger than just like training people
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  Speaker 1: at that point, Like, there's so many factors that go
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  Speaker 1: into owning your own establishment.
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  Speaker 2: I think every personal trainer has this natural desire to
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  Speaker 2: open their own gym. And I tried so many times,
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  Speaker 2: and I always say the best things that happened to
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  Speaker 2: me in my life was failing at a lot of
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  Speaker 2: things that would have changed the course of my life.
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  Speaker 2: And if I would have got, you know, the permit
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  Speaker 2: to build a gym and the first building that I
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  Speaker 2: tried to build a gym at, I be there probably today.
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  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't have gone to Montreal with Halle Berry
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  Speaker 2: and made her Catwoman, and I wouldn't have traveled overseas
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  Speaker 2: to work with the royal family in certain countries is
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  Speaker 2: because I would be anchored and worried about paying rent
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  Speaker 2: and staff and sales, and so I failed a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of times at a lot of the things I started
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  Speaker 2: off doing. And then I saw an opportunity. It's like, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't really have a lot of money. I need
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  Speaker 2: a gym space. I don't need a big space. And
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  Speaker 2: I was just buying a condo, my first home, and
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  Speaker 2: the developer had in the marketing plans that he was
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  Speaker 2: going to have a gym on the rooftop. And I said, wow,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: what's in it? He says, I don't know. I haven't
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: really picked the equipment yet. I said, I'll make you
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: a deal. I'll equip it and in exchange for me
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: being able to personal train my clients there, so I
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: don't have to pay rent, I don't have to do
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: lease old improvements. And it was kind of this perfect
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: and that's how I opened my first few studios in condos,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: and now they're in hotels all over the world.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Right, I know. So let's talk a little bit about that,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: and then I want to go back to the blaring,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: exciting thing that you mentioned, which was halle Berry. So
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: building gyms all around the world.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, super cool started off twenty odd years ago.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I'd have celebrity clients and they'd say, hey, I need
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: an elliptical at home or a treadmill, and I would
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: buy it and resell it. And then they'd say, I'm
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: building a new house, can you design my gym? And
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I would do that, and then it kind of went
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: into I did some old age homes, believe it or not,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: senior living facilities, and I still do some. And then
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: my friend Sam is is Arian. He asked me to
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: do the gym in his first hotel, the SLS Hotel
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, and so that was the first hotel gym.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I kind of cut my teeth on and I learned
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: a lot and it was great and I love him
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: for giving me that opportunity. And then did some other
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: hotels and some Ritz Hotel, some four seasons, and I
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: saw an opportunity in the field that no one was
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: really creating innovative spaces. It was all about calling a
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: manufacturer and saying, sell us what you can stuff it
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: in here? And I was like, well, if I was
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: working out in here, what would I want, you know?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: What's important to me and did some really exciting projects,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and the Four Seasons approached me and said, we want
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: you to be exclusive to the Four Seasons and design
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: and oversee the curation and procurement of equipment all across
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: the world. So now I've got Harley Jims. I'm working
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: in three in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Nashville and
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Montreal and Lagos, Nigeria.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And it's pretty exciting when you say stuff like that
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: out loud. Do you still have moments where you're like,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: what really?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Is this really like? I'm doing this in Egypt? Like
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: this is what we're doing now?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: You know. It's funny. My mom my mom my mother
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: said to me to Americans, say, mom, yeah, I do,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: she says, you know, do you ever stop? And just
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: like you know, after your seventh best selling book, you think, Wow,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I've done it, I've made it. No, you it's work.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You just got to do it. And then you focus
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and you perfect and you just you submerge yourself in
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the process. You don't stand back and admire what you've done,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: because then you're done. Your career is over. So I've
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: been doing this twenty seven years. I hope I have
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: another twenty seven years and then I'll admire when I'm
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: really old.
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  Speaker 1: building gyms in hotels, do you think of them differently
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  Speaker 1: than if they were standalone gyms.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, Yeah, there's a luxury feeling. There's an idea
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: that people are here to work out once or twice
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: or maybe three times. This is not going to be
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: an everyday thing for over the year. It has to
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: be a little more polished. It has to be a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: little more user friendly. There can't be accessories all over
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the floor. Yesterday I was in Venison. I dropped by
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Gold Gym, the mecca, the original mecca of hardcore working out,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and there was stuff everywhere, and there was an odor
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and a must and there was some rust on equipment
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and dumbbells on the floor and it kind of works.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: It works in that space, Like you know, it's all
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: about intensity. There and being intense and training. But when
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: you're in a hotel, you're either on vacation, you're there
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: in business. You need a little more elevated pinash. The
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: aesthetic has to be different. Everything needs to be put away.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: It's a little more luxurious.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I want to use the word pinash this week organically
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: like you just did. I'm going to make it my
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: m Okay, So you have your first you open these
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: spaces and different condos. Those are your first things.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are my first things condos?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Correct, Because where are you at this time?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Toronto? Actually, And so what happened then was one of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the largest exercise equipment companies had asked me to there
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: was a trade show in Toronto and said can you
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: work the trade show for us at the booth at
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the time and helped demonstrate some exercises. And so I did,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and the owners of the company were there and I
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: made some suggestions on how they should modify their equipment
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and I have an idea for a new piece of equipment.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And they were great, and one ended up becoming one
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: of my best friends till to this day. And I
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: worked with them on helping modify and design some new
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: equipment and one of them is kind of a standard
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: piece of equipment in every single gym in the world now.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: It's called a dual cable police system and everyone makes them.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And so I helped them innovate that and launch that,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and so then helping design the equipment segued into designing facilities.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Got it, And so then where do you find who's
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the first a lister that you start to work with.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: At the same time, I started with Jim Cavesl who
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: played Jesus in the past, but before that I trained
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: him on Angel Eyes with a young actress named Jennifer.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Lopez, a young Jennifer Lovin.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: She wasn't Ja Loo, she was Jennifer Lopez. And I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: think that was Terrence Howard's first movie. And at the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: same time I worked on Cold Creek Manor with Stephen Dorf,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Juliet Lewis, Dennis Quaid, and that was very early on.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And at the very same time, right after that, I
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: worked with Emmanuel Shrieky and Eliza Douchku on a movie
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: called The Wrong Turn, a really bad horror film. So
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: those were a long time ago. I worked on a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: bunch of really bad films and then got a call
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: can I come to Montreal and train Halle Berry and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Robert Downey Jr. He just got led out of jail.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: It's his first film back Penelope Cruz on Gothica. And
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: they had nowhere to put me at, to pay my
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: own place, to stay, my own everything. Back then, cell
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: phones were expensive if you left your city, I have
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to pay my own cell phone. That was the most
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: expensive sport.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: They're still expensive, man.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: They're still expensive. And I left what I was doing.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I was working my PhD. And I just said, I'm
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: going to take a leave and I'll finish my masters
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: and I'll come back to this. But it was an
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: amazing experience to be in Montreal and training Hallie and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Robert Downey, who's just an incredibly brilliant person. And while
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I was there, l cool J and Raleio to ask
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: me to train them on another project. And then Miladjovovich
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: was doing Resident Evil and I had to fly back
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: and forth to la and Rachel Weiss was doing Constantine
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and I flew back and forth for her. And next
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: thing you know, I had this robust celebrity training business
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: in multiple cities, and I said, I guess this is
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: my path.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Were you scared when you took that first trip to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Montreal and did anyone give you interesting feedback? I mean
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you were, like you said, putting your PhD on hold.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I took a big chance. First all. I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: hated school at that point. I mean I was in
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the laboratory every single day. And my graduate supervisors one
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: of the most brilliant exercise scientists in the history of
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the field, doctor Aert Jacobs, and he did his doctorate
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: at Ketalinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden, and he coined the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: term oh blood on set of blood lactic I mean,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: he's just a genius, so to work under him was
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: a once in a lifetime opportunity. But even he identified
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: that my gift was more in educating people and taking
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: complex scientific terms and making them more colloquial. I wasn't
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: meant to be in a lab. He said, you've broken
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: so much equipment here. You know, we have an NMR
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: spectroscity machine which is a million dollars and somehow I
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: managed to get food in it. And he said, I
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: think this is your calling. So I don't know whether
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that was him firing me or not, but he said
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: this is your calling. So I went, and then the
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: first workout with Hallie, she said, listen, I'm excited to
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: work with you on this film, but I have to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: tell You've had the same trainer for twelve years in
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: La I love him and I'll be going back to
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: him when this film is done, so I don't want
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: to mislead you. I said, great, I'll enjoy our time together.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And after the third workout, she said, would you please
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: move to Los Angeles and get me ready for Catwoman?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And we started training for Catwoman and next thing you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: she called me and she's like, Oprah's here. She wants
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: to talk to you, just.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: A casual phone call for Oprah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: And I said, Hi, that hello Oprah? I remember, yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: And she was the biggest person in the world, literally
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: the most famous person in the world. And she says,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: what are you doing with Halle? Are you starving here?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I said, no, she's eating five times a day. Halle
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: has diabetes and that's you know, would never starve her.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: And she says, well, you know, are you in the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: gym hours and hours a day with her? I said, no,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: twenty five minutes a day, that's it. Five days a week.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: She goes, you need to write a book. When you do,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: call me and I'll have you on the show Her
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Book Club, Her Book Club. Yeah, so I wrote a
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: book because she told me to write a book. Five
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Factor Fitness.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: She had me on When Oprah tells you write a book.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: You write a book, You write a book. Yeah. So yeah,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that kind of things blow up after that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: That's pretty awesome.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you also in the listing of all the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: different amazing clients that you've worked with in the past.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously all of those different clients have different goals,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: they are different people, they have different body types. So overarching,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: what would you say are some of the foundations of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: your training style. So, for instance, like some people like
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: will not work with bodybuilders because that's not their thing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Are they have bodyweight exercises? So talk to me, I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: know a little bit personally, but talk to me about
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: your training team.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, because I come more from the academic and
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: scientific background, I think the better you understand the body,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: the simpler you can present and really distill a program
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: to somebody. So there's one hundred and sixty eight hours
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: in the week, and even if you're in the gym
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: five days a week, you're still not in the gym
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty three of those one hundred and
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: sixty eight hours, And it's what you do during that
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: time that is far more impactful than anything you do
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: in the gym. How you sleep, how you move throughout
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the day, your stress levels, and so these are really impactful.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: So I spent a lot of time focusing on that,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: and then the workout part is really easy. For people
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: that are scared to use free weights because they're going
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to bulk, I got news for you. Ten pounds dumbbells
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: are way less than lifting your own body you know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I just do yoga. I just want to lift my
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: own body weight. That's way more than the dumbells I
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: was ever going to give you, or way more than
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the cables or the TRX suspension strap. So understanding that
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: resistance is resistance and it's generally governed by gravity, whether
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: it be your body weight, dumbells, cables, a barbell, kettlebells,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: whatever it is. So simplifying the workouts and really getting
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: away from the kitchen sink approach, people like, Okay, today
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna train legs. I'm gonna do lunges and squats
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and step ups and this and that. Why so much
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: what is it we need to do rather than what
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: can we do? What's the least you need to do
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to get the most results? And so I think efficiency
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: is something that I've spent a lot of time focusing on.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: On that idea of it's the other I think you
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: said one hundred and sixty five hours out of the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty eight tonight. Yeah, on this idea
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that it's the other one hundred and sixty five hours
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: of the week. Yeah, I know you and I spoke
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit about something that you personally, we're struggling
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: with in the other one hundred and sixty five hours.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about let's talk about nutrition, let's talk
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: about personal nutrition all that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're training all these celebrities, but everyone you
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: know has their thing, So what was your what was
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: your thing?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Sweets?
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I can totally relate with you on this.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I mean I think of chocolate chip cookies childhood, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: banana bread childhood. Obviously, my parents wanting to minimize the
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: sugar in the house because of my brothers, so I'd
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: go out and sneak and find it some other way.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I think my mother handed it down to me. She
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: loves her sweet things. You know, when she comes to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: LA and visits with us, I know she'll come downstairs
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: and look on our cupboards to see what cookies are
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: after like, I just like her. So, no matter how
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: much I know about the body and how much I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: know about nutrition, and how much I tell people about nutrition,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I have my own flaws and faults and I own them,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and they are sugar. I love sweet things. I love
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: bake goods. I love ch ocolate. So that's probably been
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a that's a challenge for me.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Give me an example of how much.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: So if you name a city, I'll tell you where
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the best chocolate of cookies are. I'll define exactly the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: density of chip ratio to dough. The problems with some
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: other places, like when you're in New York, everyone likes
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Lavan Bakery. The problem is the nuts in there. They're
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: almost like scones. There's also a Fat Booty Bakery down
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: on twenty third in Chelsea. They put peanut butter cups
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: on top of their chocolates of cookies. Here in Los
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Angeles you have Commissary Cafe, which you used to do
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: the best chocolate of cookies right now, they're kind of
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: not consistent, and they do a great chocolates of vegan cookie,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: which actually is not bad. But then I'll go over
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: to the Four Seasons on Dohini, which does two great
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: chocolates of cookies, depending on where you get them from
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: in the cafe. I can go on. I can talk
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: about chocolate of cookies forever, Our.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Chocolate of cookies, like the it's the main squeaze yea.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Or nutella or just utella, utella in a spoon, just
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: spooning nutella.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: So you got to a point where you were like
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: eating a ton of sugar.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. So the coffee shop on Fairfax in
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles I go to. I remember one day going
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and I would leave my office on a brake and
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I'd walk over to get a coffee, and I'd make
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a phone call walking there, walking back, so I was
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: kind of unconscious of what I was doing. And I
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: remember one time getting off the phone, being there and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: them handing me a brown paper bag and them saying, wow,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: this is your third today, and I hadn't even thought
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: of it that that's the third trip I made to
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: this coffee shop today, and my third chocolate of cookie.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And these are massive. These are seven eight hundred calorie.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Are these like Lavane's gone size just about? Okay?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I hadn't even processed that this is the
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: third trip I took a day to go get a
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: giant fresh bake chocolate of cookie. And here I am
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: between that doing interviews on weight loss, writing weight loss books,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: teaching people about prop reading, and if anyone knew, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: would be really embarrassed. So I thought, Okay, I got
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to figure this out. And it's not about knowing you
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: need to stop and having incentive to stop, but sometimes
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: you need help. And that's when I said, I need
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: to arm myself with a tool to fight this.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Interesting I feel like, I mean when I I knew
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: in college that I was overweight, but it wasn't until
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I like kind of got the balls to get on
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a scale to see two hundred and four pounds that
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, wow, Wow, Like it hits you in
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the face. So I'm sure when that person I see
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: a picture of that, I'll show it to you when
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: we're done.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When I saw that, though, it like hits you
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: in the face and you have this moment where you're like, wow, like, yeah,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I knew. I knew, for instance, that I liked cookies.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But when someone looks at you and they're like, this
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: is your third today, it's like you're telling me what
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I already know. But shoot, like, yeah, something's got to
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: someone's got to give here, something's got to change. So
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I can only imagine like that moment for you where
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: it just kind of strikes you and you're like almost
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: caught off guard by something you already know.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of a it's the truth that you
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: don't want to acknowledge. It's like if I covered my
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: eyes right here, we're in the same room and I
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: and because I don't see you, I pretend you're not
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: in the room, but you're you're right here, And those
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: cookies were still every single day. And then at home,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I keep things hidden and my wife would was is
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: very sweet about it, and she doesn't want to reprimand me,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: but at the same time she just drop subtle hands
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like oh, you're having another cookie, you know. So yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: So I said, I gotta I gotta need help with this,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: and so I created a product to help me personally.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: This was for me, and found it very successful. In
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: my battle with my sugar addiction. It's a real thing.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Sugar addiction is a real addiction. You know. Our brain
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: releases certain chemicals when we get sugar. And then you
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: started using with my clients with great success. And and
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I've since created the product called sweet Kick, which comes
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: out in a couple of weeks. Wow, So tell everyone.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: It's a plant based mint, and it's a weight loss
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: mint that deals with sugar addiction. When you have sweet Kick,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Number one, sugar does not taste good to you anymore. Interesting,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and when sugar does not taste.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Good to you, and Harley starts looking around for sweetcake
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: to offer me any And.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: When sugar does not taste good to you anymore, your
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: brain does not register that's the same chemicals that you
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: cause addiction, and you're less likely to want to eat
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: more of it. So, whether it be sodas, sugary coffees,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: baked goods, candy, just put this in your mouth, don't you?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Just suck on it?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, keep go on.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: It's a game changer. And so that affects you. Number one.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Number two is it's an anorectic, which means it's an
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: appetite suppressant. So that's the second thing it does up
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: to fifteen to twenty percent of a suppression an appetite.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: And the third thing it does is it stabilized your
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: blood sugar, so the active ingredients in there totally healthy.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I can give this to a five year old. There's
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: nothing dangerous in those stimulants in here is to stabilize
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: your blood sugar, which reduces those blood sugar drops later
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: in the day where we get desperate and want to
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: have something sweet.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: It tastes like a mint.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It's a mint. Yes, we have cinnamon and we have mint.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Actually I think we're just coming out with mint at first,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: but I can't wait. When you're done this, don't even
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: think about it. When you're done, we're going to do
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: a little test. Oh perfect.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to share photos and do a test
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: when we do. Yeah, okay, So but before you created
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: this product, I'm just curious at first, what were you
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: doing when you realized you need to make a change.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Because for a lot of people, whether it's sugar or whatever,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: whatever you come to terms with, that's something something needs
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to change. It's just so overwhelming. At first.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had we were on vacation, we were at
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: a friend's house, in their lake house, and I didn't
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: feel confident taking my shirt off. I honestly didn't feel
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: confident taking my shirt off. And here I am. I'm
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: supposed to be this role model and educator, previous fitness
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: model you'll see in the other room, to cover fitness magazines,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I was confident because I
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: didn't feel lean anymore. And I wasn't lean anymore because
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I was having two thousand calories a day of baked goods,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: and I knew something had to change.
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  Speaker 1: anyone that works in our industry in any different capacity.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Obviously what you do and what I do are very different,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: but it's like you recognize that there's an issue, Like
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: even lately, I feel like with all the travel, like
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: things feel a little out of control. And then you
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: go and do a panel in front of four hundred
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: people and then you're like you're all looking at me,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: but I'm also looking at me, and like, why am
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I not stopping what's making you feel so self conscious
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: of all these things? And so you get to this
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: point and it's like okay, so now what So okay,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you go to take your you go to this lake house,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you don't want to take your shirt off, and then
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: what happens?
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Then I looked at my wife and said, something needs
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: to change, and she says, okay, well you know you don't.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Nothing has to change. It's up to you if you're
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: not happy with yourself. And I was like, I really
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I love you for being so sweet, but this is
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: like out of control. So I'd been playing around with
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: different active ingredients to help some of my clients with
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: diabetes to help with their blood sugar stability, and I
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: knew the side effect was one of them. Is they
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: told me that their frappuccino in the morning was gross
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't understand it. And then I was like, okay,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I must have something to do with the chemistry on
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: your tongue and the sweetener in the frappuccino. And I realized, Wow,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: this side effect might actually be the main reason that
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I should be using it, because if that sweet thing
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: does not taste good, what is it? What does a
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: big good taste, like, what is it? What does an
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: oreo taste like? So I tried an oreo was disgusting.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, wow, okay.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: You're like, what's going on?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: This is amazing. Then I tried a hers she kiss
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: tasteless like having a like just eating a thing of
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: butter without the delicious buttery taste. And tried a soda
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: that will remain nameless a cola, and which I'm going
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: to have you try in a moment, and I'll leave
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that part for you to decide.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I'll have to let them know in the intro to
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: this episode how I feel about all this stuff? Yes, okay,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: so interesting. I also think so my my question about
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: life now, like if you what if you wanted to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: enjoy a birthday cake with someone, then I don't.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I don't have a sweet kick.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. You know I'm going out to a
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: party and I want to celebrate life, and I you know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: you control when you want to have it. I think
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: it's also Look, there's two ways of doing it. One
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: is called the sweet kick reset, where you say this
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: is out of control. I need to be leaner, I
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: need to lose body fat, and I need to be
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: more in control of my sugar cravings. And so it's
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: a two week period where you have as you haven't
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: in every four or five hours. And so it's a schedule.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: The other way to use it is how I use
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: it now at this point is I'm out for dinner.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I know my friends are all ordering dessert. I don't
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: need dessert. It's not a celebration of any kind. I
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: just had a great meal. I'll pop them int in.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And so when it broke brought out there, look, I'm curious.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I wonder what it tastes like. Inevitably out it'll be gross.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting. Yeah, So what does life look like
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: these days? Like aside from the sugar stuff? What's life
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: like for Harley Pasternack?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I saw you at our wonderful Propelled collabse event
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: this weekend, So that was fun. Today I spent probably
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: half the day working on gym design stuff. So I
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: met with No Booze architect dealing talking about a really
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: interesting project, the vice president of design and Construction for
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: four Seasons, talking about some great projects we're doing overseas,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: a new equipment manufacturer test to some of their product.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: This morning, I got to see the lovely Charlie Pooth
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: and Ariana Grande and Benny Blanco and my favorite training partner,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Brad Falchuk, who's Gwyneth Paltrow's husband. And after this, I'll
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: have one client who's sort of one of my dearest
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: friends in the world. I don't even call them a client.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I'll go home, I'll have dinner with my kids and
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: we'll take a bath or shower together where they have
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: a new game where they take the shower head and
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: they just shoot it in my mouth, so I can't
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: talk anymore and I can't see anymore. And then I
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: read them a book, put them to bed, and then
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: my wife and I watch something funny and then we
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: go to bed.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's a normal day.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: It's a normal day. And then I travel every ten days.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's interesting about the parameters on that
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: is that like very strategic.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: So different different brand partners have me for certain numbers
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: of days a year.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: And then I need to go see the projects I'm
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: working on. So in the next little few days, I've
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: got to go check out New Orleans in the new
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: gym I did in Montreal. I'll check out a project
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: that I'm working on in Dubai and then I'll come home.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Is your family still in Montreal?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: My parents are in Toronto, my brother's in Toronto, but
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: we still have a lot of family in Montreal. Got it?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Best food city ever.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I haven't been to Montreal. I'm going and when I go,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I'll hit you up for all that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: That's where bagels are from. Bagels and Delhi are from Montreal.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Are there allowed Jews in Montreal A lot?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: It's the highest density in the world outside of it.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe I should go there? Yeah, yeah, perfect, Okay, maybe
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I'll find a husband when I go. See awesome. Okay,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So days are busy but rewarding. We talked about, obviously
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the photo on the wall. You're this guy that works
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: with a lot of really fabulous, big name clients, and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: this is what people will see when they see you
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: on social media or wherever the case may be. What
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I want to know is when you look in the mirror, now,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: what is it that you see.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I'm really tired. I don't sleep as well as I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: used to because I have little kids in the wakem
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night, and I have
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: annoying arthritis in my lower back. But I'm fulfilled. I
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: wake up with purpose every single day. I love what
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I do. I love that I do different things, all
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: in the same field, but every one of my day
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: of my life is different. I love that I'm at
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: a point where I can choose who I work with
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: and what I work on. I have an incredible family life,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and I'd like to be a better golfer. I've gradually,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I've gotten progressively worse over the last thirty five years
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: of playing golf.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: But oh, that's the lower back arthriatis.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Oh you know what I never thought of.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: That I got you. Maybe it's the lower back arthritis. Oh, Emily,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a body blowing a Harley Bastarna's mine with some connections here.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: It could be you definitely don't have the same range
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: of motion on your swing.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Wow, anyway, Okay, I'll come back to that.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: You'll come back to that. Okay, all right. So we
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: see a guy that's fulfilled and a little tired.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really happy, really happy, really happy? Yeah, a little tired.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Can I get you something?
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, right now, okay, all right, So justin background,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Harley just went out to grab me a Hershey kiss
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and a cola we're about to.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Do any Are you ready? Yeah, so this has not
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: been tampered with. I'm opening this Hershey, kiss, it should
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: be really sweet because they are cheap chocolate, so it's
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: really really sweet chocolate.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: It does not taste really sweet at all.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: No, Wow, you're not going to run through fire to
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: eat that.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: It tastes really sweet.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Now I'm going to open this can. You're ready to sound?
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Well? That sounds great, right, yeah, this.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Should be the sweetest thing ever that it is pure sugar.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Wow, I wish this was a video podcast.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: This is crazy?
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and the diet so does actually do the same.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: You do not taste the artificial sweetener as well.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: It almost tastes kind of a little bit like diet,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: but just really bland. Right, yeah, it tastes really bland.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: So you still taste the caramela, you still taste the salt,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you still taste the other things, but that sweetness has
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: been blunted so significantly. You don't want to finish this can?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Wow? No, I mean I have no need to.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: No.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: No, I do get some of the residual chocolate tastes though,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: then like in the black, I'm like maybe this is
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: still good.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: So you're gonna get the you're gonna taste the cocoa. Yeah,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: you're gonna still get those notes. But when the sweetness
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: is gone, it's like, why am I even bothering? No
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: one's gonna sit down and eat ninety nine percent dark
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: chocolate and have a bar.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's so interesting. Well that was a real experiment
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: that was just said, right, all right, So then this
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: is obviously just for sugar. I asked you this yesterday
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: on the panel, and I'm going to ask it to
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you again right now. Someone knows they want to make
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: a change in their lifestyle, they know that they want
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit healthier, they can do one
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: thing differently. What do they do differently to be a
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: little bit better?
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I would say the one thing that people are not
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: doing enough of. There's so many I was to triage
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: it number one, move more all day, get a fitbit,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: try and hit at least ten thousand steps a day.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And I think people are focusing too much on working out,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: spin classes, pilates, boot camps, and so the other ninety
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: eight percent of the week they're just completely sedentary. That
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: would be the one thing that's one A one B.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Go to bed earlier and turn your phone or your
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: laptop off at least an hour before you go to bed.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: We are sleeping less today than ever, and poorer from
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: a quality perspective than we ever have from all the
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: alerts on our phones and the blue light from our phones.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Shut them down. Go to bed a little earlier. It'll
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: change the way you look, the way you feel, and
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the way you move.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, big advice. The last question I asked on the podcast.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: You have an opportunity right now to give the Harriley
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: who's standing at the bakery being offered a brown bag,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: one piece of advice. Looking back on it right now
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: in retrospect, maybe this is more on the mental side
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: and less than the like just put it down. What
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: do you tell him going through that hurdle moment?
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Wow, I don't know if I would do anything differently.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I've made so many mistakes in my life, and I
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: am where I am today because I did those things
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and failed at them. So if I was to come
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: down in a time machine and speak to my younger self,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I would probably say, you're going to lose your hair,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: start wearing hats earlier on and that's about it. But yeah,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think I would change anything. I honestly, everything
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I've done has led me to this point, good, bad, wrong, right,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: and I don't think I have any regrets.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Harley, thanks so much for your time. Did I thank you?
• 47:45
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• 47:47
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• 47:50
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• 47:53
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  Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcastle. Where do they find you? Where do
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  Speaker 1: they keep up with you? I mean, I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: want to tell them about this.
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  Speaker 2: My home address is. You can visit me on Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: which is just at Harley Pasternak h A r l
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  Speaker 2: E Y p A s t E r n a K.
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  Speaker 2: on Amazon. You can read any of my books five Factor,
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  Speaker 2: five Factor Fitness, five Factor Diet, five Factor World Diet,
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  Speaker 2: Diet Cookbook on Amazon or Barnes and Noble. What else,
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  Speaker 2: And if you're in Canada, this summer. I'll be up
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  Speaker 2: Muskoke on the Lake. Come say hi.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you've ever done this before.
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  Speaker 2: Oh revenge body, Oh revenge body on E. Don't don't
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  Speaker 2: miss that. And uh yeah so that that's fun awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I am at Emily Abodi. Another hurdle conquered. Catch you
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  Speaker 1: guys next time