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Hero mom attacks perv to protect teen daughter · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Do you love anything more on this earth than your children?
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Speaker 1: Don't tell my husband, but I don't. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: going in to check on your children, Let's just say,
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Speaker 1: at night as they are sleeping, and you see looking
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Speaker 1: in the window at your little girl a freaky peeping tom.
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Speaker 1: As they are ephemistically called peeping tom. That sounds like
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Speaker 1: something out of a child's nursery rhyme, peeping tom. They
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Speaker 1: are anything but out of a nursery rhyme. But that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened to this mom. She actually spots a
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Speaker 1: peeping tom looking in on her little girl. And you
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Speaker 1: know all h E double L breaks loose. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at ABC thirteen kt RKTV.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna call this right here a textbook tackle this right.
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Speaker 1: A mom here in Lake Jackson wasn't scared to get
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Speaker 1: physical with a man she says was peeking into her
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Speaker 1: daughter's window. Wow, a mom gets physical with a guy
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Speaker 1: peeping on her little girl. Again. Thanks for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation with me Crime Online dot
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Speaker 1: com investigative reporter Levi Page, host of Crime and Scandal,
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Speaker 1: the True Crime podcast, Tom Peter, America's leading personal safety expert,
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Speaker 1: author of Tom Petteri's Personal Protection Handbook. I've read it.
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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Rory Welch, Administrative Sergeant Lake Jackson, Texas PD. Wow,
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Speaker 1: thanks for taking your time to be with us. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you got your hands full back at the headquarters. SARAHT.
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Speaker 1: G West, m D. Joining us out of Ohio forensic
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist specializing and sexually deviant behavior. Boy, do we need
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Speaker 1: a shrink? Clinical Associate Professor psychiatry case Western That ain't shabby.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge and trial lawyer joining us anchor at
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Speaker 1: Court TV at Ashley Wilcott dot com. But special guests
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Speaker 1: joining us. Phyllis Pinya, the woman who took on the PURV.
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Speaker 1: First of all, to you, miss Pinya, and I hope
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Speaker 1: I'm not masquering your name. Thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Let me just ask you this. Tell
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Speaker 1: me about your family. Let's just start because I have
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old twins just turned boy girl. I got
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Speaker 1: an eighty nine year old mother living with me. My
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Speaker 1: husband's is saint, and we have a rescue dog, a
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Speaker 1: rescue cat, to guinea pigs, and there always seems to
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Speaker 1: be somebody living at our house. You know, there's always
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Speaker 1: somebody that's in between, and they're living with us. So
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Speaker 1: tell me about your family. Let's start with that. Well,
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Speaker 1: living with me, I have my three kids. They're seventeen, fifteen,
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Speaker 1: and twelve, and one girl and then two boys. And
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Speaker 1: then my oldest son he moved out, he's nineteen. Actually,
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Speaker 1: have a grand baby on the way. And then I
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Speaker 1: have our three dogs that of course, we're all asleep
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Speaker 1: at the time, so they weren't guarding very well of course. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: of course, it's usually how it happens. They bark at
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Speaker 1: the squirrel and not the person in the yard. So
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Speaker 1: you've got three children at home, two of them teams,
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Speaker 1: one almost a team. One lady flew the nsked and
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Speaker 1: all the dogs who apparently slept through the entire thing. Lady,
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Speaker 1: you got your hands full, Okay, at least you know
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Speaker 1: I've got two children. The guinea pigs can't talk back,
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Speaker 1: so that's a good thing. You've got three that can
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Speaker 1: talk back. That day, miss Pinya, tell me what happened. Well,
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Speaker 1: I had ran to the store, I happened to be
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Speaker 1: out of coffee, and I woke up early and It's
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Speaker 1: actually kind of a normal for me to get that early.
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Speaker 1: And when I was coming back, how early did you
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Speaker 1: wake up? It was probably about six thirty. Oh my stars,
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Speaker 1: miss Pinya. I just got to tell you something. Right off.
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Speaker 1: The bat Our apartment in New York is in a
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Speaker 1: high rise, twenty first floor, and I remember I was
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Speaker 1: just about to hop in a shower to get to work,
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Speaker 1: to get on air, and I ran into the kitchen
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Speaker 1: to turn on the coffee machine, and I flipped around,
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Speaker 1: not back toward the bedroom, toward the window. You'll never
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Speaker 1: believe this. This is six to fifteen am in the morning,
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Speaker 1: and directly across the street, standing there stock still was
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Speaker 1: a peeping tom. I guess you know he knew what
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Speaker 1: time I or somebody above me or below me would
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Speaker 1: get up. He was looking right into me running into
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Speaker 1: the kitchen. I froze and turned and just walked out
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Speaker 1: and immediately called downstairs and tried to catch him. We
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Speaker 1: didn't catch him. But wouldn't you think that early in
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Speaker 1: the morning, people will be getting ready for work or
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Speaker 1: doing something constructive instead of staring in a window. Okay,
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Speaker 1: back to you, miss Pinya. Early morning, going to get coffee.
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Speaker 1: How early was it when I got back to the house.
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Speaker 1: It was right at seven o'clock. And okay, I pulled
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Speaker 1: into the driveway and was walking around the front of
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Speaker 1: my car, and when I walked going to my front door,
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Speaker 1: out of corn of my eye, I realized there's somebody
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Speaker 1: standing there. And at this point, he didn't even hear
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Speaker 1: me pull linsa driveway. You're kidding. He was so focused
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Speaker 1: on looking in the window. He didn't hear Mommy pull
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Speaker 1: up in the driveway. Hold on just a moment, right there,
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Speaker 1: Sarah G. West Forensic psychiatrists, Guys, when you're a psychiatrist,
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Speaker 1: that means you've already got you're a doctor, a medical doctor,
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Speaker 1: and then you specialize in psychiatry. Doctor West, this perb
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Speaker 1: was so intent to me. I'm baffled because typically crime
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Speaker 1: this sort does not happen so early in the morning,
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Speaker 1: before you can even have your coffee. Crime usually picks
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Speaker 1: up later in the day. So this guy, this perb,
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Speaker 1: didn't even hear Mommy drive up in the driveway, get
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Speaker 1: out of the car, slam the door, nothing. What does
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Speaker 1: that tell you that he seemed very intense on what
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Speaker 1: he was doing or what he was looking at back
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Speaker 1: to Miss Phillis Pinia hero in my book. Go ahead
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Speaker 1: and miss Pinion, so he doesn't even see you, and
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Speaker 1: out of the corner of your eye, with your peripheral vision,
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Speaker 1: you notice something. What? Yeah, I noticed someone standing in
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Speaker 1: front of the house. And I looked and he was
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Speaker 1: crouched down trying to look through the blinds. And I know,
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Speaker 1: excuse my language, I'll try to bleep it. I was like,
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Speaker 1: what the are you doing? Okay, wait a minute, wait minute?
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Speaker 1: Is this what room was this? This was at my
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Speaker 1: daughter's window, her bedroom window or bathroom window. Yes, ma'am,
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Speaker 1: the bedroom window. When you said blinds, when you or
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Speaker 1: your daughter close your blinds, do you slant them up
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Speaker 1: or down? I do them up because I feel like
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Speaker 1: you can't see in with them being up like that.
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Speaker 1: You know I do that too. Let me go to Tampatery,
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Speaker 1: America's leading personal safety expert, author of Tampateri's Personal Protection
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Speaker 1: and book. You can find it on Amazon. That's where
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Speaker 1: I got it. Tom. What's the truth behind that? Is
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Speaker 1: it better to do the blinds slant it up or down? Okay?
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Speaker 1: I would say to blinds down? And here's the reason,
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Speaker 1: because sunlight comes up and it opens more so people
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Speaker 1: could look up, but when it's down, it creates more darkness,
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Speaker 1: so it's hard to access a direct site when you're
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Speaker 1: looking down. It's easier for direct access when you look
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Speaker 1: all this time, I thought you were supposed to tilt
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Speaker 1: them as you're looking at them up, Jackie, google it.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be Google versus BUTTERI. I was told
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Speaker 1: that it's harder, more difficult to see from the outside.
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Speaker 1: And if they're up and you're telling me down, well, well,
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Speaker 1: apparently I missed that page in your book. One of
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Speaker 1: the key things I do with my clients when I
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Speaker 1: travel as a bodyguard is I find what is miss
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Speaker 1: and what is truth. So, unless you do things for
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Speaker 1: a living, on being your own bodyguard, you on the
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Speaker 1: stand more about light and perspective and enters into a
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Speaker 1: room such as a bedroom versus the living room, which
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Speaker 1: is more wide open. And that's why I go against
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Speaker 1: the grain when I test things out. And you'll see
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Speaker 1: that if you're in a closed area and you have
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Speaker 1: darker blinds or darker curtains, that light will come down
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Speaker 1: off of book if you're pulled down. Clime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy grace back to you, Phyllis Pinya, the victims the mom.
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Speaker 1: So you come up, you're at the front door. You
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Speaker 1: look over and there's this guy squatting down. See I
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Speaker 1: had it completely bass ackwards. I thought he was standing
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Speaker 1: up kind of at the corner of the window, looking down.
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Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, how many people
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Speaker 1: see a situation every day and for whatever reason, they
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Speaker 1: do nothing. Either they don't know what to do, they're
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Speaker 1: afraid to do it, They're afraid of the implications. And
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Speaker 1: right now I say n oh to that. Do something.
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Speaker 1: Don't sit back and let bad things happen. This woman
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Speaker 1: joining me right now, Miss Phillis Penia, did not sit back.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friend Les Trent at Inside Edition. Do not mess with
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Speaker 1: this mom. Phillis Penia says she arrived home to see
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Speaker 1: a creep peeping into her fifteen year old daughter's bedroom.
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Speaker 1: The suspects took off, and Phillis gave chase, as seen
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Speaker 1: in this police dashcam video. In a moment's reaction, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, he's coming my way. He's coming this way,
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Speaker 1: and my daughter was like, mom, no, don't and I'm like, no,
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Speaker 1: the daughter begging the mom to do what she was
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Speaker 1: gonna do. Mommy didn't listen, Thank Heaven, back to mommy.
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Speaker 1: Pi Pinya joining us out of Texas, Phillis. You see
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Speaker 1: him and then what happens? Or whenever I yelled at him,
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Speaker 1: he turned and looked at me like the idea in
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Speaker 1: the headlight look, and he took off running like I
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Speaker 1: guess you could say five or so houses down like
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Speaker 1: that way or you know, towards that way whatever, away
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Speaker 1: from the house. So I had the choice of either
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Speaker 1: chasing or going to check on my daughter, and of course,
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Speaker 1: at that very moment, it was to go check on
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Speaker 1: my daughter. And I went inside and think, heaven, she
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Speaker 1: wasn't in her room. She was in the shower. You
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Speaker 1: know what this means, miss Pinya. This means that he's
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Speaker 1: most likely done this before, because just like the guy
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Speaker 1: that was on the twenty first floor straight across from me,
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Speaker 1: staring straight into my kitchen at six o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 1: that wasn't his first attempt. It couldn't have been. How
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Speaker 1: would anybody know to get on the elevator or of
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Speaker 1: the stairwell and go up twenty one flights. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: look directly across. This guy had to know which one
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Speaker 1: was your daughter's room. He had to know what time
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Speaker 1: was this on a school day? No, ma'am, it was
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Speaker 1: a Sunday, Sunday. Why was your daughter up that early
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Speaker 1: on a Sunday. She has sleeping problems and they're some
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Speaker 1: morning She's up at five thirty in the morning, and
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Speaker 1: then she can't fall back asleep. She'll get up and
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Speaker 1: start moving around. This guy knew which was her window.
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Speaker 1: He had to because the blinds were pulled, so he
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Speaker 1: had to have previous knowledge that this was her window.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how many times he's already peeped in on
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Speaker 1: your little girl, just putting it out there. Oh, I know,
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Speaker 1: I thought about the same thing. He takes off running.
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Speaker 1: You go in and check on your daughter. Then what
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Speaker 1: happens As I'm running inside a check on her, I'm
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Speaker 1: dialing in the police station. At the same time, you
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Speaker 1: have your cell phone in your hand. Yes, ma'am. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I give them my eye dress and there your daughter
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Speaker 1: in the shower. Yes, ma'am. What did you say to her? Well,
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Speaker 1: at first I was yelling. I was like, where are
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Speaker 1: you at where you at? And then I realized she
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Speaker 1: was in the shower and I just told her, I said,
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Speaker 1: somebody was peeping in your window. Do not come out
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Speaker 1: of the bathroom yet, you know, let me check back outside.
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Speaker 1: And of course she started freaking out, she started freaking out.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure when you saw the guy, could you tell
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Speaker 1: how old he was? Could you get a good look
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Speaker 1: at him or did he just you said, he gave
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Speaker 1: you a deer in the headlights look, so you should
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Speaker 1: have gotten a glance at least of his face. Was there?
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Speaker 1: Was the sun up? Yeat? Was it still dark outside? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: The sun was up? And when I called the police,
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Speaker 1: I told him, you know, early twenties is what it
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Speaker 1: looked like. A younger gentleman is all I could tell.
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Speaker 1: You know, just by looking I could tell he was
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Speaker 1: not you know, no wrinkles or no, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. He was definitely younger too. Roy Welch joining me,
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Speaker 1: Sergeant with Lake Jackson, Texas PD. Sergeant, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for being with us. Sergeant. I'm gonna start with
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Speaker 1: you and circle back to doctor West. This is anecdotal.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a statistic to back this up. Sergeant welch.
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Speaker 1: But so often when I was prosecuting or investigating a
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Speaker 1: sex offender, and be it a rapist, a child molester,
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Speaker 1: I would look back at their rap sheet. I'd be
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Speaker 1: looking for similar transactions to introduce a trial if I
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Speaker 1: could find any. So often, Sergeant, I would find peeping
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Speaker 1: tom way back when, maybe when they were a teen
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Speaker 1: a young guy, they would start off as a peeping tom.
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Speaker 1: What do you say, Sergeant, Unfortunately that seems to be
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Speaker 1: a trend. But at least with this person, we luckily
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Speaker 1: didn't have any involvement with him prior to this. Well,
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you if he hadn't been caught, Sergeant, fast
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Speaker 1: forward five years, eight years, ten years. You know, you
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Speaker 1: don't run a marathon the first day. You walk, the
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Speaker 1: first day you take those first few wobbly steps. You
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Speaker 1: work up too. That's what I'm saying, Sergeant. Have you
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Speaker 1: ever noticed when you get a hold of or apprehend
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Speaker 1: a sex offender that you find it started with peeping
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Speaker 1: tom um? I haven't personally, but but I know that
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Speaker 1: that's something that definitely it's out there. I've seen it
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Speaker 1: a lot. Let me go to Sarah gy West, doctor
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Speaker 1: joining US. Doctor West a forensic psychiatrist, doctor West, What
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Speaker 1: is it about peeping tom's they graduate into full blown
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Speaker 1: sex offenders. Sure, Nancy, that's a great point that you make.
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Speaker 1: So of the paraphilias, which is a technical name for
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Speaker 1: this kind of sexual deviance keeping tom that you call
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Speaker 1: it is a paraphilia, and that's a diagnosis or a
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Speaker 1: category rather in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental disorders.
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Speaker 1: And this is the least intrusive, right, So these are
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Speaker 1: folks who generally don't have a lot of social skills
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Speaker 1: and don't want contact with people because, if you know,
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Speaker 1: they're not actually engaging with the person that they're looking at.
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Speaker 1: So this is the least intrusive of these paraphilias, and
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Speaker 1: you can see a graduating quality we call them co
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Speaker 1: morbid paraphilias that maybe even developed down the line, which
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Speaker 1: would involve more physical contact. Frauttering is rubbing oneself against
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Speaker 1: someone else who's non consent. Oh well wa wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait wait you know now do you understand, Jackie, why
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Speaker 1: I said I would have to go to the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner's office. Oh? I know. They hated to say, my
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Speaker 1: old beat up hond to pulling in because just like this,
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Speaker 1: I'd have to stop the medical examiner every line and
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Speaker 1: go what don't don't say that in front of the jury,
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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, because nobody will know what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: You're talking Latin. Doctor West. Please excuse Jack and myself
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Speaker 1: for not understand anything that you're saying. I'm just in JD.
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Speaker 1: You're the MD. Now what was that did you say? Frittering? Rottering?
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Speaker 1: That's a great word. That's a cocktail party word. You
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Speaker 1: can rob that one. Uh what is that? Is? Rubbing
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Speaker 1: oneself for sexual pleasure against a non consenting individual. As
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Speaker 1: you can imagine, it happens fairly frequently on the rubbing
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Speaker 1: what part of everyone's self genitalia or sexual organs, And
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Speaker 1: you can imagine it happens rather frequently on the subway.
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Speaker 1: You know what. I'm so glad I brought two cups
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Speaker 1: of hot tea today because that certainly gave me a jolt.
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Speaker 1: I need to get calmed down. Now, Okay, we frottering.
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Speaker 1: You just taught me something and you said, paraphilia is
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Speaker 1: the technical name for peeping tom and he said something
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Speaker 1: about co morbid Yes, okay, so paraphilia is the broad
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Speaker 1: category and Boyeurism is the technical name for the peeping
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Speaker 1: tom so. Paraphilia is a broad umbrella category. Boyer is broddering,
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Speaker 1: sexual sadism, sexual masochism. All those things fall under this
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Speaker 1: category in our psychiatry bible known as the DSM for
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Speaker 1: Sure Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, Sergeant Roy Welch,
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Speaker 1: I sensed over the airways, you do not believe me,
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Speaker 1: so I tasked Jackie with pulling up sound on a
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Speaker 1: case I was just studying. Take a listen to this,
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Speaker 1: Sergeant Welch. Listen to our friends at kc CI Iowa.
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Speaker 1: Imagine waking up to finding a stranger in your apartment
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Speaker 1: recording you while you sleep. That's what Ames Police say
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Speaker 1: twenty nine year old trent And Williams did to several women.
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Speaker 1: He's now charged is now facing a long list of charges.
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Speaker 1: Casey SI's bow Bowman talk with one of the victims.
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Speaker 1: Ames Police say Trenton Williams has been breaking into apartments
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Speaker 1: just like this one on Highland Avenue and Ams since
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Speaker 1: May of twenty nineteen and videotaping women in their bedroom
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Speaker 1: as they slept. Can you please get out of our apartment?
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Speaker 1: Thank you? This has happened too many times. This video
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Speaker 1: was from the fall of twenty twenty, when Clare Growth,
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Speaker 1: a senior at Iowa State, says her roommate caught this
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Speaker 1: man breaking into their apartment a second time. My roommate,
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Speaker 1: like I said, had just gotten home, so she just
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Speaker 1: the door just wasn't locked yet, so he kind of
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Speaker 1: just walked in, you know. As it turns out, this
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Speaker 1: guy who would just watch women's sleep over and over
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Speaker 1: and over finally attacks one of them. So what I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to say, Sergeant Welch, is you don't start ti ically. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's just say a triple homicide, one of the first
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Speaker 1: triple homicides I ever prosecuted. I found out that the
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Speaker 1: shooter had been an armed robber, unapprehended, had been selling dope,
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Speaker 1: serious dope such as cocaine and heroine for years, had
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Speaker 1: not been apprehended. He worked up to the night he
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Speaker 1: pulled the trigger multiple times and killed three young boys.
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Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen in an instant. You work up
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Speaker 1: to it. That's what I'm trying to say. Today. This
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Speaker 1: guy caught red handed by mommy peeping on her little
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Speaker 1: girl in her bedroom as she's getting into the shower.
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Speaker 1: Who knows what's going to come next. Yes, well I agree.
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Speaker 1: Well darn if you agree with me, I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: be able to fight with you. So I'm gonna let
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Speaker 1: you rethink that for a few moments. In the meantime,
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Speaker 1: Back to Miss Phyllis Pina joining us. Miss Penya, So
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Speaker 1: I noticed something that doctor West just said. Doctor West said,
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Speaker 1: typically these people peeping tom's have a lack of social skills.
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Speaker 1: So instead of going up to a girl at the
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Speaker 1: high school dance and saying, hey, will you dance with me?
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Speaker 1: Or hey do you want to go out from a
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Speaker 1: milkshake after school or whatever, they peep. So I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at the guy right now. His name is Zane Hawkins,
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Speaker 1: and he looks like a mild mannered milk toast. He's pale,
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Speaker 1: very meek looking. But you know who else looked pale
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Speaker 1: and meek, Ted Bundy did. If you look at his pictures,
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Speaker 1: he looks you know, sometimes he wore glasses, he's bespeckled,
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Speaker 1: he looks scholarly, went to study law. You can't judge
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Speaker 1: someone by what they look like. So, miss Pina, you
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Speaker 1: see this guy, he's so staring into your daughter's room.
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Speaker 1: Did she get addressed in her bedroom then go into
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Speaker 1: her shower? No, man, thank goodness, she doesn't. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know honestly, if you know he saw anything, so that,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately is going to be an unanswered you know question
22:23
Speaker 1: will just be a thought in the back of my mind.
22:25
Speaker 1: You know that. That brings me to another question for
22:27
Speaker 1: doctor West. Doctor West, I don't know if they if
22:30
Speaker 1: a peeping tom necessarily has to see a naked body
22:34
Speaker 1: to get a sexual thrill, the fact of peeping and
22:38
Speaker 1: seeing the victim at all and leaving the rest to
22:41
Speaker 1: his imagination may be enough for him. So I'll say, Nancy.
22:45
Speaker 1: According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual to qualify for
22:49
Speaker 1: voyeuristic disorder are peeping toms. It is sexual arousal from
22:54
Speaker 1: observing an unsuspecting person that's critical who is naked robing,
23:00
Speaker 1: So there you go. Don't actually have to see the
23:02
Speaker 1: nudity or engaging insects. So yes, it's probably more related
23:07
Speaker 1: to the thrill of observing someone while being unobserved. Fact,
23:11
Speaker 1: miss Penia, Sam, miss Pinia, you rush in, you check
23:13
Speaker 1: on your daughter, and then what did you do? I
23:15
Speaker 1: went back outside and the way my house is when
23:19
Speaker 1: I walk out my front door to the left, which
23:21
Speaker 1: is a direction he had ran. I have kind of
23:24
Speaker 1: part of the house before it turns a corner, so
23:28
Speaker 1: I kind of peeked around the corner of my house,
23:31
Speaker 1: and this was probably the creepiest thing, No, not the creepiest,
23:34
Speaker 1: the second creepiest thing of the whole incident. I peek
23:38
Speaker 1: around the corner and he's five houses down, just staring back. Oh, okay,
23:42
Speaker 1: you actually just gave me a chill on my arms.
23:45
Speaker 1: So the guy, you know it, gave me a chill peep,
23:48
Speaker 1: didn't run away? No, okay, no, he didn't join me
23:52
Speaker 1: right now. Ashley Willcott judge trial law your anchor at
23:55
Speaker 1: Court TV, at Ashley Willcott dot com. I've been saving you, Ashley,
24:00
Speaker 1: because not only you're a judge, tri lawyer in court
24:02
Speaker 1: to the anchor, you're a mom. You are a mom
24:06
Speaker 1: and one of your children is a girl about the
24:09
Speaker 1: age of my Lucy. Did you hear what she? Did
24:12
Speaker 1: you hear what miss Pinnias said? Yeah? Yeah, I have
24:16
Speaker 1: learned so much from this show today. Let me just
24:18
Speaker 1: suggest that a way to go. It's not a show,
24:23
Speaker 1: it is a program. I apologize a show or like
24:26
Speaker 1: trained tricks and magic tricks. But this is real. But
24:32
Speaker 1: this woman comes in from a six o'clock coffee run
24:35
Speaker 1: and see some PERV staring in her little girl's window.
24:39
Speaker 1: And then she goes out and looks and the perv
24:42
Speaker 1: has gone here, come to Chills, five blocks, five houses down,
24:46
Speaker 1: and he's still staring right at her. He's not wearing
24:49
Speaker 1: a mask. She can see him, he doesn't hear he's
24:52
Speaker 1: looking right back at her. Yeah, it is Chills is
24:56
Speaker 1: certainly a way to describe it. I am so proud
24:59
Speaker 1: of you as a mom taking action because it terrifies
25:03
Speaker 1: me that this could happen to anyone. The thing that
25:06
Speaker 1: really bothers me, and I'm not a psychologist either. I
25:09
Speaker 1: rely on you all as my experts, but I am
25:11
Speaker 1: going to say this. What bothers me is there's so
25:14
Speaker 1: many instances of this that I see in court, and
25:17
Speaker 1: these perpetrators feel like it's a victimless crime, like they're
25:21
Speaker 1: not doing anything. Well, I didn't touch her, I didn't
25:23
Speaker 1: do anything to her, which is obviously not the case.
25:27
Speaker 1: Of course it's a crime. Of course there's a victim
25:30
Speaker 1: in trauma. But I feel like these particular perpetrators don't
25:34
Speaker 1: think they're doing anything wrong. That's why they turn and
25:37
Speaker 1: look and have a mask on it. Are a little
25:38
Speaker 1: bit like, I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm just walking
25:42
Speaker 1: through the neighborhood looking in windows. And I also think
25:45
Speaker 1: nancy to go to something you said earlier. This is
25:47
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old. I do see escalation of these
25:51
Speaker 1: particular individuals in not getting enough satisfaction eventually and then
25:55
Speaker 1: doing the next step, which is, oh, I'm just going
25:58
Speaker 1: to rub that person's or whatever part they want to
26:02
Speaker 1: when I run into them in a store, and then
26:04
Speaker 1: it escalates, right, And so I have a lot of
26:06
Speaker 1: fear and a lot of respect when these individuals and
26:10
Speaker 1: law enforcement prosecutes these individuals, because we've got to stop it.
26:14
Speaker 1: We don't want it to escalate. And it is not
26:16
Speaker 1: a victimless crime. And I don't know if jail time
26:19
Speaker 1: really cures a sex offender. I've always said they and
26:23
Speaker 1: burglars and peeping tom's those three are incurable. They cannot
26:29
Speaker 1: they can't be cured. To Sergeant Roy Welsh, sergeant with
26:34
Speaker 1: a Lake Jackson, Texas Police Department, this guy and this
26:40
Speaker 1: neighborhood and this house and this little girl and this
26:43
Speaker 1: mom are all telling me a story. What can you
26:46
Speaker 1: tell me about the neighborhood where this happened. I've looked
26:50
Speaker 1: at it. It looks like a residential neighborhood, a tree
26:54
Speaker 1: lined street. It looks like a great neighborhood. And I'm
26:58
Speaker 1: guessing with a low crime rate. Yes, man, it is
27:00
Speaker 1: a very good neighborhood, very safe neighborhood. You know why
27:04
Speaker 1: I say that because so many people think, Sergeant that, well,
27:08
Speaker 1: that won't happen in my neighborhood. That's not true. This
27:13
Speaker 1: neighborhood is It looks like Beaver Cliver's neighborhood. Did you
27:16
Speaker 1: look at it online? It's where everybody wants to live.
27:21
Speaker 1: And this is where this mom is trying to raise
27:23
Speaker 1: her children crime stories with Nancy Grace this p I
27:37
Speaker 1: haven't even gotten to the good part. And also I'm
27:39
Speaker 1: going to circle back with doctor West, Doctor West. The
27:42
Speaker 1: fact that this guy didn't run away, He stopped, and
27:47
Speaker 1: he stood there and stared back at the house. And
27:50
Speaker 1: when the mom goes after him, he stares right at her.
27:54
Speaker 1: That tells me something, But just as a trial layer,
27:58
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it tells me, uneducated that he's not
28:03
Speaker 1: really afraid that he's so fixated on that girl and
28:06
Speaker 1: that house he would risk standing there being identified rather
28:13
Speaker 1: than hi to talent and get out of there. Yeah,
28:15
Speaker 1: so I think Ashley hit the nail on the head
28:17
Speaker 1: when she said that they don't think it's a problem.
28:21
Speaker 1: This is a actually Interestingly, when you go to see
28:24
Speaker 1: a mental health provider, it's usually because you're in distressed, right, So,
28:28
Speaker 1: you have depression, you have anxiety, you see a doctor.
28:31
Speaker 1: This is the one set of diagnoses that does not
28:34
Speaker 1: require the individual to be in distressed by their own actions.
28:38
Speaker 1: It actually has the caveat that it can be distressing
28:41
Speaker 1: to someone else, which makes it kind of a unique thing.
28:44
Speaker 1: Back to you, Miss Pinya, the victim's mom. So you
28:48
Speaker 1: come around the house, you look, and there he is
28:51
Speaker 1: looking right at you. What happened, Well, he didn't actually
28:56
Speaker 1: see me since I peeked around the house, but he
28:58
Speaker 1: was looking this direction. So when I went back at
29:02
Speaker 1: the house, yes, man, when I realized he was looking
29:04
Speaker 1: back this way, I ducked back behind the house again
29:07
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to scare him off. So I
29:09
Speaker 1: ducked back behind the house again, and I waited a
29:12
Speaker 1: second and I peeked back around and he had turned
29:14
Speaker 1: around and he was walking back around this camper that is,
29:17
Speaker 1: you know, and that person's driveway, not even running. No, no, no.
29:22
Speaker 1: Whenever he started walking back around, that's when I started
29:25
Speaker 1: walking through my yard and onto the sidewalk to go
29:29
Speaker 1: down that way. And right about that time when I
29:33
Speaker 1: hit the sidewalk, the police, I think it was two
29:37
Speaker 1: cars from each direction from down my street was coming
29:42
Speaker 1: down and the cop jumped out of his SUV really quick,
29:46
Speaker 1: and I told him, I said, the gentleman just went
29:49
Speaker 1: around that camper, right, You actually called him a gentleman. Well,
29:53
Speaker 1: I have Southern manners, so I'm sorry, but yes, and
29:59
Speaker 1: they I don't know if I would have been as Valey,
30:04
Speaker 1: but go ahead. Well, they went running down that way
30:07
Speaker 1: to get him, and by this time my daughter had
30:09
Speaker 1: walked out of the house and was standing next to me,
30:12
Speaker 1: and that's that's her in the video with me, and
30:16
Speaker 1: me and her were just watching them down that way
30:18
Speaker 1: and we could hear the cops yelling telling him to
30:20
Speaker 1: get on the ground. One cop tried to grab him
30:23
Speaker 1: and he wasn't able to get him because he was
30:27
Speaker 1: running pretty quick. Another cop tried to taze him, and
30:31
Speaker 1: when I heard the taser, I thought, okay, they you know,
30:33
Speaker 1: they got him, were good. Well, the taser missed him
30:37
Speaker 1: and it got the back of his jacket instead of
30:39
Speaker 1: making contact. And that was at the point where the
30:42
Speaker 1: video starts and you can see me going from like
30:45
Speaker 1: the demeanor of just like standing there watching to oh, crab, like,
30:49
Speaker 1: he's coming back this way. And that was the point where,
30:55
Speaker 1: you know, I realized he was coming this way and
30:57
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to stop. So that's when I took
31:02
Speaker 1: out some tackle moves that I didn't know I had.
31:05
Speaker 1: And that was probably the craziest thing is I didn't
31:08
Speaker 1: even realize what I did until I saw the video.
31:13
Speaker 1: And probably the next creepiest thing past him staring back
31:17
Speaker 1: this way, was when I tackled him, he looked at me.
31:22
Speaker 1: If you look in the video, he's looking directly at me,
31:25
Speaker 1: and he tells me I wasn't going to hurt her
31:28
Speaker 1: as she okay, And that right there was enough to
31:34
Speaker 1: just left me speechless. I can't believe you didn't punch
31:37
Speaker 1: him right in the mouth, or even saying that I
31:43
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance too, because literally, if you notice
31:46
Speaker 1: in the video, I'm just staring at him because I'm
31:48
Speaker 1: in shock. And then the police caught up and you know,
31:51
Speaker 1: took over. So it's I didn't even have a moment
31:54
Speaker 1: of you know, to even think about, you know, let
31:56
Speaker 1: me punch him or you know what I mean. I
31:57
Speaker 1: was just in shock because you tackle him like an
32:03
Speaker 1: NFL linebacker, Lady, I mean, you go right for the
32:09
Speaker 1: gut and bring him down. All the time your daughters
32:13
Speaker 1: going no, Mom, no, no, guys. Take a listen to
32:15
Speaker 1: our friend Michael la Party kp RCTV channel to Houston.
32:20
Speaker 1: Mom had just returned home from the store around seven
32:23
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning when she saw a man in
32:25
Speaker 1: her yard. She says he was able to get away
32:28
Speaker 1: from two officers, but not from her. Even if you
32:31
Speaker 1: think you can run from the cops, good luck getting
32:34
Speaker 1: past this. Mom. I figured, at least I can do
32:36
Speaker 1: if I got him down, trip them up, whatever, then
32:39
Speaker 1: they have the chance to get caught up. That's Phillis pinion.
32:43
Speaker 1: The red shirt first instinct was just to make sure
32:45
Speaker 1: you didn't go any further. Captured on police dash camp
32:48
Speaker 1: taking down a man, she says was trying to look
32:50
Speaker 1: into her fifteen year old daughter's bedroom window early on
32:53
Speaker 1: a Sunday morning. My kids are my life, and you know,
32:57
Speaker 1: just making sure I protect him pretty much. Lake Jackson
33:00
Speaker 1: Police Sergeant Rory Welch gave her some credit. It was
33:03
Speaker 1: a pretty good tackle, that's you, Sar Joel well So
33:06
Speaker 1: joining me from Lake Jackson, Texas Police Department. It was
33:10
Speaker 1: a good tackle. Tell me what does the tackle look
33:13
Speaker 1: like when you when you saw what went down or
33:17
Speaker 1: when I saw the video. I was pretty impressed with her,
33:20
Speaker 1: her tackling skills. She did a good job. Why did
33:23
Speaker 1: you go for a miss pin? Yet? Did you go
33:25
Speaker 1: for the stomach, the knees, the crotch? Honestly, whenever he
33:32
Speaker 1: was running towards me, it wasn't you know. You don't
33:36
Speaker 1: have a minute to even think about which where you're going,
33:39
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just more of I
33:41
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure I grabbed hold of him
33:43
Speaker 1: and he didn't go anywhere, and luckily I got the
33:46
Speaker 1: right spot. I mean, well technically not the right spot,
33:49
Speaker 1: because the right spot would have been a little bit lower,
33:51
Speaker 1: but the right spot to get him down. And then
33:54
Speaker 1: when you got him down, he says, I didn't hurt her.
33:58
Speaker 1: Is she okay. Yeah, he said I wasn't going to
34:00
Speaker 1: hurt her? Is she okay? And my daughter heard it too,
34:04
Speaker 1: and she was like, what in the world. You know
34:06
Speaker 1: what I mean because she ran over there and was
34:08
Speaker 1: helping hold him down. When you go for this guy
34:11
Speaker 1: and full on tackle him, I think you had on
34:16
Speaker 1: shorts and you took him down on the asphalt. Were
34:20
Speaker 1: you aware, for instance, the pain when you hit the
34:25
Speaker 1: asphalt and the tackle when you went down yourself. Were
34:29
Speaker 1: you aware your daughter was yelling, don't, mom, don't Was
34:33
Speaker 1: any of that seeping in. No. I didn't realize that
34:36
Speaker 1: I hurt myself until after I got up and I
34:41
Speaker 1: lost my glasses in it. I lost my shoe, my cellphone,
34:43
Speaker 1: like everything went flying, so I was kicking up everything
34:46
Speaker 1: and then my daughter was like, oh my gosh, Mom,
34:49
Speaker 1: look at your leg. And I looked down and I'm
34:51
Speaker 1: just dripping blood, and I'm like, oh, what sucks, you know,
34:55
Speaker 1: But in that moment, adrenaline, you know. I remember when
34:59
Speaker 1: my son went missing in a giant baby throw us
35:02
Speaker 1: a warehouse. I grabbed my daughter, they were a little
35:08
Speaker 1: over two at the time, like a football under one arm,
35:10
Speaker 1: and started running and screaming, and I remember I didn't
35:16
Speaker 1: hear or notice anything around me until I saw my son.
35:23
Speaker 1: And I'm just imagining that moment for you. But I
35:29
Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our friend ar
35:31
Speaker 1: Cut twelve, Gloria Riviera at ABC News. This is not
35:36
Speaker 1: the first time a mom fears nothing. Listen well, one night,
35:42
Speaker 1: listen on on my phone. He's on Lower River Road
35:44
Speaker 1: on the EBA some of the stack clad mountain land.
35:47
Speaker 1: A Colorado mother a hero tonight, overpowering a mountain lion
35:52
Speaker 1: to save her young son. The boy, just five years old,
35:55
Speaker 1: playing in the yard with his older brother in a
35:58
Speaker 1: rural neighborhood outside of Aspen, hearing screams his mom running
36:01
Speaker 1: outside to find her son's head in the mouth of
36:05
Speaker 1: a predator. Authorities describing how she was able to physically
36:08
Speaker 1: remove her son from the lion, prying open it's jaws,
36:12
Speaker 1: freeing the boy. This mother did everything right. She went
36:15
Speaker 1: out there and saved her child from the lion, and
36:17
Speaker 1: that's actually absolutely what you should do. Mountain lions are
36:21
Speaker 1: not uncommon in Colorado, but attacks are rare. You want
36:24
Speaker 1: to fight, you want to put up a resistance, and
36:26
Speaker 1: you want the animal to know that you're not an
36:28
Speaker 1: easy prey. The boy lived thanks to mommy literally prying
36:33
Speaker 1: open the mouth of a mountain lion to save her
36:38
Speaker 1: five year old son, Miss Pinion. When you look back
36:43
Speaker 1: at what happened, what do you recall? And you know,
36:47
Speaker 1: I recall just being completely in shock the whole time
36:52
Speaker 1: because you never think something like that it's gonna ever happen,
36:56
Speaker 1: you know, to your home, to your kids, you know,
36:59
Speaker 1: anything that m and just my whole thought, the whole
37:03
Speaker 1: entire time, was just like he cannot get away because
37:07
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know if he'll come back, or
37:10
Speaker 1: he'll you know, look in someone else's window, or you know,
37:13
Speaker 1: going back to and I apologize, I forget you know
37:16
Speaker 1: who had said it, but about you know, people thinking
37:19
Speaker 1: when they do a crime, but it's it's no big deal.
37:23
Speaker 1: You know, my daughter she hears noises out her window,
37:27
Speaker 1: whether it be a cat or something, and it's too
37:30
Speaker 1: scared too. Levi pay he's joining US investigative reporter with
37:33
Speaker 1: Crime Online dot com hostop Crime and Scandal true crime podcast, LEVI.
37:38
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Zane Hawkins? I mean to look
37:44
Speaker 1: at him, he looks like he's afraid to drink a
37:48
Speaker 1: glass of milk for Pete's sake. But that's not true. Yeah,
37:53
Speaker 1: that is not true, Nancy. He was arrested after thanks
37:56
Speaker 1: to this mother tackling, and he was booked, and he's
38:00
Speaker 1: racing charges of position of a controlled substance, evading arrest,
38:04
Speaker 1: and resisting arrest. And Nancy, people say that this is
38:08
Speaker 1: a victimless crime, Peeping Tom, But did you know that
38:12
Speaker 1: the Golden State killer that terrorized California for decades, Southern California,
38:17
Speaker 1: he was a serial rapist, a serial murder, one of
38:20
Speaker 1: the most prolific in US history. He started out as
38:24
Speaker 1: a peeping tom. People in that area reported a mass
38:27
Speaker 1: man staring in their window, and those reported reportings happened
38:33
Speaker 1: before the murders took place. He started out as a
38:35
Speaker 1: peeping tom. He graduated to breaking in and going through
38:39
Speaker 1: women's underwear drawers. Then he started sex attacking, and then
38:43
Speaker 1: he started murdering. Okay, Sarjan Welch, I hope you heard that,
38:46
Speaker 1: because I'm truly vindicated. Now. Okay, so guys joining me
38:51
Speaker 1: right now, very special guest, America's leading personal safety expert,
38:56
Speaker 1: author of Tampa Terris Personal Protection Handbook, Tom what do
39:02
Speaker 1: we do about purves like this guy? Okay, so first
39:07
Speaker 1: we have to understand that somewhere, at some time he
39:10
Speaker 1: spotted this person, this young lady. So situational awareness comes
39:14
Speaker 1: in as a key factor. We got to pay more
39:17
Speaker 1: attention to what's going on because these guys look for patterns,
39:21
Speaker 1: they look for people that aren't paying attention. Then they
39:24
Speaker 1: go look at the houses. Is there any access in there?
39:27
Speaker 1: Is there any way you know, they can go around
39:29
Speaker 1: shrubbery or things that cover and conceal them. So that's
39:33
Speaker 1: phase one. You know. Phase two is always have that
39:37
Speaker 1: home prepared if you don't have a firearm, and then
39:39
Speaker 1: they do say this if you do have one, make
39:41
Speaker 1: sure you're trained in safety and engagement. Don't just fire
39:45
Speaker 1: weapons to fire them, but you can also use your
39:48
Speaker 1: bathroom or a kitchen and make instant pepper sprays. Anything
39:52
Speaker 1: with aerosol that has alcohol, anything with pepper base, anything
39:56
Speaker 1: with salt base comes instant blinders. So if somebody's in
39:59
Speaker 1: your home, you know, you don't want to take them
40:02
Speaker 1: on their own terms. You want to take them on
40:04
Speaker 1: on your terms. If it's nighttime, you leave the lights
40:07
Speaker 1: off because you know your house better than anyone. So
40:11
Speaker 1: these people are like, you know, a mouse and the maids.
40:14
Speaker 1: They're trying to find the way out. You know, if
40:16
Speaker 1: it's daytime, you know, you secure yourself called nine one one.
40:20
Speaker 1: The police are experts at what they do. Just stay
40:24
Speaker 1: on the phone, talk to them. Make sure you barricade
40:27
Speaker 1: yourself in there and let the police enter in and
40:30
Speaker 1: only leave those rooms when the police tell you to.
40:34
Speaker 1: Tampaterry with me, America's leading personal safety expert, an author
40:37
Speaker 1: of Tampa Terris Personal Protection Handbook on Amazon. Tampaterri, You've
40:43
Speaker 1: said something that really piqued my interest, and that is
40:47
Speaker 1: access to the home. What do you think of putting
40:51
Speaker 1: something like a holly bush or a prickly bush, a
40:56
Speaker 1: sharp type of leafed bush around all your windows. Yeah? Again,
41:03
Speaker 1: you want to make the decor of the house, so
41:05
Speaker 1: something like rose bushes come in hand the holly bushes.
41:09
Speaker 1: But I will tell you the best deterrent in the world.
41:11
Speaker 1: Get a good dog that's territorial, and believe me, he
41:15
Speaker 1: will do everything for you because he is territorial. He
41:18
Speaker 1: will hear these people coming a mile away, he will
41:21
Speaker 1: let you know they're there. And should that dog come
41:24
Speaker 1: out onto property, and somebody's there, he will do what
41:26
Speaker 1: he's supposed to do and protect a home. And what
41:28
Speaker 1: do you make a motion sensor lights outside? I like them,
41:32
Speaker 1: you know, I think they're good, but you know, different
41:35
Speaker 1: storms can set them off and triggers or make a move,
41:38
Speaker 1: so there's something that you have to check on and
41:40
Speaker 1: make sure you're adjusted. You could also put him inside
41:44
Speaker 1: your walkway so somebody who steps up walking to your
41:47
Speaker 1: front door and all it lights the whole house up.
41:49
Speaker 1: So really big on them, you know. Good point? Tomba
41:52
Speaker 1: Terry with me, America's leading personal safety expert and author
41:56
Speaker 1: of a best seller Tamba Terris personal protection handbook, Phillispinia
42:02
Speaker 1: The Hero Today, I understand that you may be offered
42:06
Speaker 1: a job either with the NFL pros or back at
42:09
Speaker 1: the police station. What is your message today, miss opinion?
42:13
Speaker 1: You know, I know that you're always so to you know,
42:17
Speaker 1: see something, say something, but so many people don't. So
42:21
Speaker 1: many people are scared of what might happen. And I've
42:24
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of comments and people have told
42:27
Speaker 1: me that, you know, well what if he had a gun, Well,
42:30
Speaker 1: what if he had a knife, you could have got hurt.
42:32
Speaker 1: You know, when you're protecting your kids. Those kind of
42:34
Speaker 1: things aren't something that you consider. You know, you don't
42:38
Speaker 1: consider whether or not you're going to get hurt in
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Speaker 1: the process, because I can't have my child living in fear.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're all scared of what might happen, and
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Speaker 1: that's why we don't do something to, you know, stop things.
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Speaker 1: And it's just it's it's sad because it happens way
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Speaker 1: too often where people just aren't willing to stop things
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Speaker 1: from happening. So criminals, I fortunately, think that they can
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Speaker 1: get away with it because people are scared. You are
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Speaker 1: so right, Miss Penia. How's your daughter? She's okay? Um,
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Speaker 1: Like I said the other day, you know, I asked
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Speaker 1: her because I realized I hadn't really talked with her
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Speaker 1: about the situation, and I asked her how she was doing,
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Speaker 1: and you know, how she felt, and she just said that,
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Speaker 1: you know, she's really skittish, you know, because we don't
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Speaker 1: have answers the you know, he never said anything well
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Speaker 1: what he was which obviously we know what he was
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Speaker 1: doing there, but you know, just how many times had
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Speaker 1: happened before, you know, so she's definitely it's going to
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Speaker 1: take her a little while to get over it. And
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Speaker 1: that's why I said, it's not a you know, okay
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Speaker 1: thing to do. And I know that they don't see
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Speaker 1: harm in it because they're just looking in a window.
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Speaker 1: But then you get especially because she's fifteen, get her
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Speaker 1: scared of every noise she hears outside her window. And
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Speaker 1: Miss Pinya not just protecting your daughter, but who knows
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Speaker 1: what he would have done next time. I'd worry abo
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Speaker 1: if I hadn't got home when I did. Tipline the
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Speaker 1: National Sex Assault Hotline eight hundred six to five six
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Speaker 1: I wish all our stories had this happy ending. Goodbye friend,