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Episode 19 Season 1 NBA Finals Recap · ZBD Sports Podcast

• 0:05
  unknown: That will then it's about fucking the next.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh fuck the next dick.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's about the neighborhood.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_03: So we just we just restarting?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_04: Alright then, ZBD back at it.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_04: Fucking last episode of the season.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_04: Hit a little hit a little wrap-up.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's been a long season, man.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_04: Episode 19, dude, when we were when we were coming up, coming up with this idea, man.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_04: We weren't taking it super serious, both pretty lit.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I mean dude, just to see us, to see us here 19 episodes later, man.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: We definitely definitely making our mark, bro.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I mean I'm ex I'm excited for I'm excited for what we for for what's to come.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um because I mean football season, we get a whole we get a full NBA season.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, I mean dude, I think once we start up again next fall, once football season really hits, I think that's when we're like that's when those hour-long conversations are gonna start feeling like 15 minutes.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_04: Like when we're yeah, we're just gonna be yapping about that NFL slate.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_04: No bagels, man.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_04: Baseball's baseball is gonna start popping off soon.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um but NBA, NBA wrapping up though.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um a little bit shorter of a final than I would have than I was hoping hoping for.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was it was a great series.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_04: All the games were all the games were close.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um and ultimately New York was able to um clutch at the right moments.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um Jalen Brunson winning finals MVP.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, he might get a statue built outside of New York for him.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_04: He should.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just might put up 33 game, that last game, 45.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: He's gonna legit.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's what people are gonna remember.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: Against Wemby.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, against Wemby's.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shit, 45 for Bronson.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Arrest before that, don't even matter.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped 45 when they needed it the most.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: But you get him.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_04: The fact that he was still averaging 33 throughout the series, bro.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: He was he was their main point.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't shoot good until last two games.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: He was he was forcing it.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: But that mean, but that's what superstars do.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's a superstar, that's what they do.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: It don't matter if they shouldn't be.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't shooting against it.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_04: He wasn't shooting too efficient, but he was still putting up 25, 30 points at the time.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_04: Because free throws.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, you know what I'm saying?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: But no, but that's what I said before, you know, with Brunson.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, or those type of players, like, it does not matter what type of defense you put on them, bro.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna get theirs.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Brunson's gonna average 30 a game again.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like going into that finals, you know what I mean?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, does it like he's just one of those players?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, he showed up and did that and fucking uh, you know, it was clutch like I like I knew he was gonna be.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: He won the clutch player of the year award award, which is you know crazy big.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it I like it, but it's just kind of crazy.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: They got a fucking award for everything now.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I mean he won it last year.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_04: The clutch player award is kind of like that's a pretty good award.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_04: No, and that's you kind of agree.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_04: You're kind of just looking at like the last four or five minutes of that fourth quarter.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: I I agree.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: It is it is an award I like, I agree with, but it's just I'm just saying it's still kind of crazy that they just fucking, you know, everything is an award.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you get an award for everything, you know.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: But no, yeah, I mean, it is, you know, because like it means that you fucking clutch, you know, and he showed up clutch last year, it wasn't enough.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't have enough chemistry, I think, with that team.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it just wasn't a time to spend great.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_04: They didn't have the same coach either.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_04: Right, yes, yeah.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_04: They had Thibodeau running them 40, 45 minutes a game.
• 4:17
  unknown: Yeah.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_04: So they would so they were exhausted.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if you look at it, I mean not everybody, but the major players other than Kat, um.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_04: Only in the finals, really.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_04: Against Philly and Cleveland.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I'm saying.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_04: So they didn't have to, so come so come so come to the finals.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_04: They're fucking they're basically energy.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: Who they play in the second round?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: They played Boston, they played a healthy Boston, right?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Until Tatum towards Achilles in game six, but the game the series is over.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: Series is over, the game was over.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: They had already beat, so that's what I'm saying.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: They they fucking they beat me, they beat Boston last year.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and and um I kind of forgot about something like that.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_04: They won that first round.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna go into the s or like into that conference finals against Indiana.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_04: How they kind of choked out a little bit.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, yeah.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: Well, because you were saying Bronson was Brunson was clutch last year, but he just not as much chemistry.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um not the same head coach.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_04: Well, because after they got knocked out by Indiana, they fired Tibbett up.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_04: So it's like so so they so they made a change and ultimately like didn't win them the final, but helped them to win the final.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um because I mean, I don't know, like, I mean, maybe you can say they would get they would win the final with Tibbs as their head coach, but I mean I don't know if anybody um beats uh that fucking OKC team.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that that boss, I mean that series is already over.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, well, we we were kind of I mean, this is kind of jumping topics a little bit, but we were kind of we were kind of talking about this earlier.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_04: If OKC beats San Antonio, how much of a kind of a different look that is for New York.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_04: Just the fact that OKC was in the finals last year, they kind of had better matchups.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it still depends on Jada.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, in my in my mind, I think he he he makes that much of a difference, bro.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: In my opinion.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: I just that's why I'm saying, like, you know, last year I was like, I don't know if any team best would be second best player.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think if any I don't know if any team would have beaten that OKC team last year, right?
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: Any team that was playing like even New York would have fucking the way the way J Dom and Shea were playing together in the two big things.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: We will never know because you know that fucking that gay ass injury with fucking um you know with Halliburton.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I still, you know, in my mind, if you if you if you're asking me, I'm still gonna take OKC.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still gonna in my mind, I'm like, I think they're gonna find a way to win the game.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's not gonna stay that hot.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not gonna stay.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_04: You can't you can say you can say that, but he was hot every like all playoffs, bro.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but not to the finals.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: He struggled in that finals.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: Alberton?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, he did not play good in that finals.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: He did not.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: OKC played good defense.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_04: But dude, just did he not hit one or two, or did he not hit one clutch shot against OKC, the one that he hit the first game.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he hit a game.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: But he didn't play good in that game.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: He hit the shot, but he didn't play that good.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: But people don't remember that because they won the game.
• 7:40
  unknown: Yeah.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, you can shoot nine for 35.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: If you hit that last shot.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: If you're hitting the shot to win the game, yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's what won the game.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_03: Even if you won for 40.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: You're clutch, bro.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: Even if you won for 40, are you clutch?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: If you hit the last shot to win the game, that's kind of crazy.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, are you paying that personal?
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Probably not.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: One for 40?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Probably not.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of crazy.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: But they won you the championship, so it's kind of hard.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're like, damn, this motherfucker hit the biggest shot of all time for our franchise, whatever, for our lives.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: Us playing like biggest shot, you know, hand in the face, whatever.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: But we getting off topic.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, uh going back to that, I, you know, I've I've the series was um was short, shorter than I I anticipated.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: But close.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I like that.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: I I like that every game was a nail biter.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was I mean, because I think the only game, I don't I didn't write the final scores down, but I think the only game that was 10 points plus was um game one when San Antonio came back on them.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_04: And they they ended up beating them by 10.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_04: But I think that's game one.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_04: I think New York won't be 10.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_04: No, San Antonio first.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_04: No, they they they came back because San Antonio was up by New York came back, yeah.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_04: They were up by like 15, almost 20.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_04: They came back and won by 10, though.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I that's the only game that was double-digit, so I mean but yeah, I mean, no, they were they were all they were all close to.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: San Antonio had the upper hand first half first three quarters, and they all played them once.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: They all played them.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: When you got it's gonna finish.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's really what it was.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: San Antonio, every single game, they all played New York for three fourths of the game.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Halliburton really wasn't playing bad, but uh what's his numbers?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he was shooting damn near 50% from the field.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this is the average from points.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh 18-20.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, about that.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's that's what I'm saying.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_04: But he but he also had he also had Pascal, Pascal was Pascal Siakum was like maybe doing like a little bit more than that.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_04: Like I feel like they were maybe using him a little bit more as primary offense.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: But how that's but Halliburne's also you know, like a little bit more facilitating.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's a pure point.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_04: He's gonna get he's gonna get eight, nine assists.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: Let me see how many assists he was getting in this.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_04: Seven and a half.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, only six.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_04: So he only six, six, eleven, seven, assists.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_04: So I mean, OKC defense for sure.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_04: But um, dude, I it's it's tough, bro, because as good as um as good as San Antonio was this year, bro.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, if you're talking about that J Dub injury, like that definitely was crucial to them for sure.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that they probably would have had another finals run in them if J Dub was healthy.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, it took him to seven without J Dub.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I mean, this is the fact that the fact that San Antonio was as good as they were as well.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: They still hung in there, yeah.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and and that's with Shay not even particularly playing that good.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't playing very good against Shay.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: But that's because of how they played him.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: They played Shay fantastically.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't have a number two that they really had to.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: Even that, they just the San Antonio defense against Shay was amazing.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of other, I think a lot of other teams are gonna take that blueprint of what San Antonio did, right?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Minus, you know, that game seven.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: There are a lot of teams I think is gonna take that blueprint and kind of use that, you know, against them when it's a six or seven game series.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, yeah, because they, you know, that was the best defense I've seen a team play against them against since Dallas.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: But that was before, right?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, that was before they won the championship, but like the you know, the year the Dallas went to the finals, um, they kind of played relatively good defense against Shea, right?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, he's you know, he's a superstar, so it's it's only so good of defense.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and they still gonna get theirs.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: And he did.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's you look at the numbers against San Junior prior to what 25, 30 a game.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, he's but the percentages are low.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then game seven, he showed, right, but he just didn't have enough.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just think that game seven, and they barely lost.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't lose by that much in that game seven, right?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: They had nobody else show up except for him.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: J Dub to me would have dropped at least 15-20.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Even if he wasn't healthy.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not healthy, but even if he wasn't if he wasn't 100%.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Even not even that.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: If he 100% J Dub Savers shot a bad night, I still 100% J Dub.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm at I'm assuming.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: He still might shoot him.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: Not against that defense, not consistently.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: That defense is different.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guess I guess maybe 15-20.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what I'm saying.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm expecting that, you know, from him guaranteed, you know, 100% J-Dub.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm expecting that type of, you know, even at his worst, shooting six for 20.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm expecting him to still get to the line four to four to eight times.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: And he's gonna nail.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I just think, you know, that, but it that, that, that this series, you know, was over and and and OKC lost.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but San Antonio, you know, they played great.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: They just, you know, you gotta make minor adjustments and just it's mental.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think if you're losing, if you're up that much on a team every game, right?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's mental.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's not physicality, it's not physical, it's not, you mean, because physicality, I mean, they they have the physicality.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_04: Like that.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: At that point, they've gone up against them like four times in the regular season, and they played them seven, so they they played them eleven times.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and even in a regular season, you know, every game New York was there.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Every game was close, but New York pulled it out.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, San Antonio.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I thought I thought you were still talking about OKC.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, I was just at that well, at this at this little moment, I was just uh um San Antonio and and and New York matchup, even a regular season.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was either tied or New York had to not.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: New York had it not because it was tied in the regular as far as when they played against each other home and away, and then the commissioners' cup.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Did they play each other three times?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think yeah, they had to.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because New York, yeah, because they play yeah, because if you you play the other conference and one place at your place, one place at theirs.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they play in the in the commission, yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: So in New York won.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, New York, and that's why you mean I'm like New York played, it's a good matchup, you know, with New York because they have those bigs that can throw, they can throw at you and one of them is mobile.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then they also have fantastic wing or perimeter defenders.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: OG.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, man.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: Bridges is a good defender as well.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like Bridges wasn't getting cooked.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Bridges is is a they only weakness on it is is Brunson.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's because he's small.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: But he makes up or relax.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: He makes up on the other kind of other.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: He's the best sport.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Give me the ball.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, you mean give me give me the ball in Brunson's hand.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna find a way to get to his goddamn spot.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how he does it.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm I don't like New York.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a New York fan.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: Brunson, I'm in between as far as how I like him.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: But one thing I know about him is how he's a he's a fuck, he's gonna he's a fucking dog.
• 15:45
  unknown: Yeah.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he and and then also, you know, that whole fucking turning down a hundred and you know, fit or whatever it was, a million dollars, you know what I'm saying, to get these players he got, that's leadership.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's fucking, you know what I'm saying, that's what you need um if you want to continue to win championships.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm pretty sure New York has everybody uh secured for next year the major guy.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, like, you know, do I think they can run it back?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, because that hasn't been a team that ran it back.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Last thing I did that was Golden State.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: And that's because they had fucking Durant.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that was that was fucking 20 uh 16 or no matter 2017, 2018.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: They won back-to-back years.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's it's very hard because of you know injuries and shit like that, and just how the NBA has continued to progress as far as players going, but you mean to teams and shit like that.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Giannis could change everything depending on where he goes.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: But also especially if he goes to the east as well.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: I mean just I mean, if if you might I mean he's I mean he's already in the east, but if you I mean if he went to a if you went to a contest.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean for the last few years because the last few years the West has kind of has kind of emerged as the better as the better conference, just with OKC getting as good as they have been, um, San Antonio, Denver's been a powerhouse.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: You can't say that.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_05: Because if you look at it, I mean it's I I f well because I feel like I feel like like five through eight, like ever since the play-in started, bro.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_05: Look who won a championship this year.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: East.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Who won a championship two years ago?
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: East.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Boston, and Boston, and you look at it, neither nobody from either side would beat either one of them teams.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's maybe OKC, but we don't know if J Dub's not healthy.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think OKC would have beat New York.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: If J Dub is healthy, yes, OKC, I think.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think they repeat.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think if they if he's healthy, they repeat.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know how that hamstring was, so I'm gonna go off of you know um what I think is gonna happen.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we gotta go off what we saw as well.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right, it saw exactly what I think how the hamstring is.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: That hamstring wasn't responding to him or responding well at all, the whole playoffs.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: As we see, he missed crucial games where they needed him.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know what I'm saying?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't, I can't trust that.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: I am gonna trust everyone healthy on New York.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone who no one's missed, they didn't lose one player all playoffs, right?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: They had the same fucking seven, eight, eight players.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: He was out for a little bit, but he was only out for a few, like a few games.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think in the Atlanta series.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: No, I think I think it was in the Philly series.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was the same, yeah.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: Or in it might it might have been a it might it might have been.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but yeah, you're right, you're right.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: He was only up the even then, I think they still could have did what they did up into the finals without him.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: Without the with the finals, they needed him.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: They wouldn't have won without him.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um also with a lot of other players, but you know, he was a key contributor.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, but up until they got to to fucking the finals, I think they could have they probably they still would have won.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: They still would have beat Cleveland without him.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: The fact that was playing so good up in the club.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: First couple games.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: No, like I mean, I mean I was defensively, he played good all series, I'd say.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, uh I mean I was just saying like all playoffs, kind of until I mean he was still playing relatively good against San Antonio, but the last three games he didn't really show up that much.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_04: Like the first two defensively.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: He played good defensively.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: He played good, he played Wimby, he played good.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: He was playing, he was putting the body on Wemby.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: He's not, yeah, just not letting him get into a spot as easy.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and that's something Wemby didn't really see all playoffs either.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like I don't know who I was talking to, bro, but I'm like, this maybe it's you, but I'm like, Cat is the first uh mobile big man that he played against, bro.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_04: That Wemby also has to worry about in the paint and on the perimeter.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, but I'm saying just defensively, he can't lay off someone who can hold him.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: You had fucking Donovan Klingon and whoever else the center is for Portland.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry if I can't, you know what I'm saying?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Then you had fucking Minnesota, which is Rudy Gobert.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's a statue download.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's not moving.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Then you got Julius, who's too small.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_05: Then you have Naz Reed might have switched on that, but he's too small.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Then you have fucking OKC Chet can't move.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's a goddamn statue, and Hardenstein is a statue.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Then you get Towns who can move.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's faster than Wimby.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: You would say he can move how Wimby is.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_04: He's only a few inches shorter.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's 6'11, 7'0.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: I thought he was like a 7'1, 7'2.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Not 7'2.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: You're crazy, bro.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's 7'2 is that.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know about that, bro.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: He's bigger than that.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's a big dude, bro.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: He is.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'll say about in between.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's literally in between that little, whatever, micro fucking small inch, whatever, between 6'11, and 7 foot.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's what he is.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's 7'.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: So you mean like, yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but that's still four inches or five, four or five inches shorter than Wimby.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: But he he can jump and he's quick for a big man.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I said.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like that, I remember, I don't know if it was you, whatever.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was talking to.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I'm like, yeah, bro, we're gonna see because you know, Wimby hasn't faced uh the only thing that's gonna hurt Kat is if he gets in foul trouble.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because he tends to do that.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's a big, you know what I mean, and he for the most part was able to stay out of foul trouble, even though every time I Check the fucking bot score.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: He had four or five fouls every goddamn game.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know what I'm saying?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I get it's tough on Wimmy, but like he do that shit against uh Princess Achua or against, you know what I'm saying, like fucking, you know, Clint Capella.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um Prince.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he he was with New York last year.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's not bad.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's not bad, but I'm just saying, players like that, he's just he's prone to foul.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that's the one thing that worried me in the whole series, honestly, um, was that was you know, if he can if he can't stay on the court, San Antonio probably will win because Mitchell Robinson is a statue.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna be a stay consistently with Wimby the whole time.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_03: No, you wouldn't.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: But he's a good backup.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's a good, you know what I'm saying?
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because you those those non-Wimby minutes, then you put those non-wimby minutes, then you bring him in.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like let's catch and foul trouble, which that's you know, that was the kind of the fucking, you know, a conundrum that I thought they would face, but they didn't, um, was that.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: And they and and you know, Mike Brown, man, he coached well, coached his ass off.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: He surprised me.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, do I think uh it's kind of maybe a little, you know, off topic as far as like um the series and whatever, but do I think he's a uh uh a good coach?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um still not really say he's better than you know, Thibodeau.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Thibodeau is a great is a good coach.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I am aware of him over coaching and overworking his players like him.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's um but I also think he's got a lot of history.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: And also I think I'll tell you this.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um he does.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll say this, you know, coaching or not, we just talked about and we said those comebacks, that's mental.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Those are mental errors that is not sticking to the assignment, whatever.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: That, you know, that's you can say whatever good coaching on, and he did coach really well.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: He did.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he outcoached Mitch Johnson.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it was more the players.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: The players were great, they had another year under the chemistry.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't, like I'm saying, I just, you know, I don't can I see them winning that championship with Thibodeau?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: I could.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think if they would have kept Thibodeau, I just think New York, this is their year, right?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, it's kind of similar.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to compare them to Golden State.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't Golden State.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: But it's similar to Golden State because Mike Brown tubbed in for Steve Kirk, and they won a championship.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: But he didn't, that one considered, you mean because he Steve Kirk, but Steve Kerr had back surgery as out.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: But he also had Clay Thompson, Stephen Curry, Draymond.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like he had that prime goal to stores like it's hard that you could throw anybody in there, they're gonna win.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's Curry, Clay, and Joe.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's the splash bros.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right?
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like they didn't fucking miss.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: They did it.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: They broke hearts across the fucking world because Golden State didn't fucking miss.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it didn't even matter what you coached up.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: Them niggas nailing that bitch from 30, 35 feet out.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, consistently.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it's nothing to take from Michael Brown.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that might not be like that Golden State is one of like, bro, that's one of the best teams ever.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and we we might not especially when they had Durant.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: That was I mean, that to me, that was the best team, in my opinion.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_04: Well, because I was gonna say NBA team ever, bro.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: I think they went on a 15-game win streak in the playoffs, and the Knicks went Knicks were on a 13 this year.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: So, dude, the Knicks being as hot, like, dude, they went down 2-1 to the Hawks and then they didn't lose that until San Antonio.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we should congratulate the fucking Hawks.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just saying, wait.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_04: So I was gonna say, you're saying the Knicks year, but dude, like, they didn't, like, weren't playing, they didn't play bad in the regular season, but they were, I mean, they were played over the third of the fourth season, but then you're but then they're down two one to Atlanta.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: Some of you how high are you on them winning the finals after they're down two one to Atlanta in the first rounds?
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I I wasn't high on them winning the finals at all.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: I was in my opinion.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: I the whole season, yes, the whole I didn't never change the whole time from the beginning of our podcast, the beginning, whatever.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: And if them was healthy, I think they probably would have had a chance.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so I mean that was my I didn't, you know what I mean.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know the hamstring, you know, I didn't know his injuries like that, but I just had to stick with my guns and my horses, right?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't trade away.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't but, you know what I'm saying?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I honestly thought that OKC was gonna be able to pull it out in game seven.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: I just thought, you know, Caruso would have a better game.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: I thought the other players would have a better game.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: I knew Shea was gonna do what he was gonna do, but I thought the other players were gonna play better.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Especially right in OKC.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and they just they didn't.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just, you know what I'm saying?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that's okay.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's why if you're okay, OKC, you're good.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, work on on really getting that hamstring tended to for Jada.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: Other than that, I wouldn't change a damn thing in OKC.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're fine, right?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but and the same thing is with San Antonio in New York.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: New York, I don't know the contracts and whatnot, and you know, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a player or two that's not gonna be there next year, you know.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the main people are gonna be intact.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: Depending on the kind, I don't I'm not sure.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, as long as they got that core intact, um, I think the boys, they they're gonna be a force to be recording next year.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's just gonna be interesting to see.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I don't think the Pacers, I wouldn't even, you know, really think too hot in the Pacers, honestly, bro.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they just had a fucking crazy miracle ass fucking run the year they got it and they went to the fucking finals, bro.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: Did you forget they got Zubak from the Clippers?
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_04: No, I mean, yeah, that's fine, but I just surprised about that.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean Zubak is good.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: I like Zubak a lot better than Zubak.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's good.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I was surprised that him trade.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: Him next to Pascal.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_04: They got some young players.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: I don't, you know, I don't know.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, bro, bro, because they're bro, those who was it Naismith.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_04: Naismith was getting off in the finals and um Nemhart.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_04: Naismith and Nemhart, dude.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_04: Are there two are the two young players of anything?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, bro, but they they they they were in that finals and they were playing.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_04: And then and then Hal Burton gets hurt, they take that year, the occupants, and they and they 30 30.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but he dude, he he's he's still dude, he's still got some ball in him for sure, bro.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_04: He's I mean, he he I mean he was showing this year that he's gonna be.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if they'll I don't know if they'll I don't know if they'll get to the finals.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_04: Not even a comment.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, think about it.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_04: But they also have a fucking amazing coach as well, dude.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say the the coach, like, was it Rick Carlisle?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: He is he was the coach.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: He was he was doing a fucking thing.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: He was he was he was doing a fucking he was doing a great job that year they went to the finals, bro.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_04: If they don't have I mean I mean because I mean I feel like you kind of say that about a lot of coaches, because I mean I mean if you're I mean if you're coaching a playoff team and you and you end up making it that far, you're like you you're doing something well, right?
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_04: But um I feel like just what he was doing with Indiana that year, man, they they knocked off a lot of big locked on knocked off a lot of big teams to get to that to get to that finals.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: But New York um New York win.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_05: Who was the um first round was the Bucks.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they had to be.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but if you look at it, you know, Giannis.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_05: Giannis was playing.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_05: Giannis was playing that series.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_05: Oh series?
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_05: I'm pretty sure.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_05: I think he missed him.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: He might have missed it.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: And Lillard got hurt.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: Lillard tore his Achilles.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, he did.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, so Giannis was still play like, but that game, I I feel like that series was like 4-1 maybe before like maybe the Bucks got two.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, Cleveland.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, Cleveland.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're not I mean yeah, and then they beat New York was was a good one.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: New York, that was a valid win.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_04: I mean finals, finals this year, dude.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_04: I'm honest, like, I'm honestly happy though, that that it wasn't wasn't OKC again.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_04: But we got to see we got to see San Antonio, we got to see what some of their young players could do on the biggest stage against against the Knicks team that was established.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um they kinda they kinda they had their team this year and um they were set up, and then if they didn't they didn't win, no, I mean who knows?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't even know where they really could have gone from there.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_04: I mean they would have just kind of had to keep the same team and see what they could do again.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's what I was saying.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like, if if if they would have made the finals this year and lost to that San Antonio team, then but they didn't though, they beat them 4-1.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_04: So I shouldn't even really be talking about if San Antonio won, because they really didn't even get close.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we didn't most we didn't really yeah, that was the most and yeah, that's the most in a playoff game.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: Most or maybe not I know the finals for sure.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's gotta be a good thing.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's got it's gotta be a playoff.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's gotta be a playoff record, though.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean technically 29, but yeah.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like we didn't even really talk about the last two games of this series just because we were kind of getting wrapped up into some other stuff, but we can yeah, we can float into that game four and game five, because what San Antonio won that game three, gave himself a little bit of gave himself a little bit of life going into um going into that second game in New York.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean we're I mean we were both both expecting New York or San Antonio to win that third game because I mean 3-0, if they would have got swept.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean you were you were talking about that after game two, fucking no wendy go, like you can't talk about like if they if they if they would have got swept then that would have been insane.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: And they and they were they were on track, bro.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: But then but then game four, dude, they come back and they're fucking San Antonio is doing the same thing they've done all like the the two previous games or the th three previous games just being up by as many as they were, and going into the halftime, third quarter, like some back and forth a little bit during the games, but San Antonio had the upper edge every game in um yeah really in that last two series.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean every time I can remember coming out at work to check on the fucking score even whether it was against New York or LKC.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um San Antonio by six, ten.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like every fucking time I came out there, they were up.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we always got on to a good start, but you know, and I just can't even, you know, that's like I said, it's that shit is just like uh so much mental you know to let a third uh a 30-point lead slip away.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you let a team chip away piece by piece by piece by piece.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: And and and and you know who's gonna be doing it too.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_04: And you just can't really you just can't do anything about it.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it was and it was well and an Obi too.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like they they held the the It was those type of players, you know, is why I believe I believed in San or sorry New York from the giggle because, you know, yeah, uh San Antonio had some good players.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um young but inexperienced and New York had veterans with experience, right?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: You got uh veterans who that's been to the finals.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you got Jalen McHale, OG Cat, uh Josh Hart coming.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, all the all those players that have and I believe in them more than Vassell and Champigne.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like I believe in Bridges, Ananobi, and Kat more than the like it's the others of New York to me is what won them the series.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Granted, uh Jalen Brunson played fantastic the last two fucking games, but the first three games, the five-game series, you know, the first three games, you know, he was shooting at one point in time, he was fucking 19 to 52.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was shooting back.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: He was a you know, like they he was shooting fucking horrendous, but it was cat to ruins in game one and two, right?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: That got them.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, dude, in game in game in game one, it was him.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well, game one.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was the cat played on Wimby, bro.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, he made those couple big, those big shots in the fourth.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, he beat the five.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: But Wimby's defensive play against him.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: He did.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: He did.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna lie, bro, but Wimby or Cat kept him close enough to do that.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's fair.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, bro, like that I remember that third quarter, Cat had 12.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure he had 12.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: He was getting the fuck off in the third in the in-game one.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: And he was playing turnaround, playing great D on fucking Wimby.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Brunson wasn't.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like Brunson was on the off and he shot bad.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if it weren't for him making the last three, four shots.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, dude.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: He'd have shot even worse than what he did.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: He was what, nine for fucking 25 the first game?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: If you would have hit the last three shots, he'd have been fucking six for twenty nine.
• 36:11
  unknown: Yeah.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: How bad is that?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, come on.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm six for I'm nine for twenty-nine, and you shot, you missed 20 fucking shots.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, bro.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: What was he was he was jacking that bitch.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_04: Game game one or they game one, 12 for 31, 7 for 25, 11 for 25, 12 for 25.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: 7 for 25 in game two?
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's my point, bro.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I fuck with Brunson.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: And then and then the last three games, 44%, 48%, 52%.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_04: So he's he started to get off a little bit.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_04: But he also in the first two games, he only went to the free throw line four times and five times.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_04: And then in the last two games, there's eight, eleven, and fifteen.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_04: So I mean, dude, he I mean, he was he was getting to the free throw line a lot more.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_04: He was being a lot more assertive in those last few games.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, just ultimately shooting better.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I mean, and and even in that first game, he put up 31 shots and only made fucking no, not or twelve, yeah.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: So if he missed those three that because I remember he hit the fadeaway where he fell, he hit that three, and then he hit another one.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll say seven.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: If he missed them last three shots, say seven or you know what I'm saying?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's that motherfucker, that's I mean he still jumped through that's nine for 31.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's terrible.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: But you know what I'm saying?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, they won.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, that's the one thing, you mean like that's but he still got his.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: He still got damn near 30 every game.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Those first two.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he got thirty he got 30, 20, 32, 36, 45.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: So he was at the yeah, so game two is as low.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: He had 20.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean that's the one he shot seven for twenty-five.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_04: And that's and or no, and they still won that one.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they did, but cat, you look at look at cat numbers.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure that was a game cat had 24, 12, and like five or something like that.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Kat was gonna fuck off.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: And he shot eight for twelve from the field.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, 21.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: That was a bridge is getting all two.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_04: Eight for 13, 4 for 6 from 3.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_04: What did Kat have 21?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: 21, 13 boards.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: He was eight for twelve, three for five.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: So both of them were just both of them were efficient.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: But that beat was Wimby, though.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's you'll see.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: You look at Wimby said every game except for the game, game three.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: You want to speak?
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: B man.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yo, beat.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: But uh game three was the only game that that Wimby shot really shot good.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was the game they won.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_04: I think it was 10 for 15.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_04: Other, I mean, in this issue from game two.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_04: 11 for 21.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_04: That wasn't bad.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_04: 29 points.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_04: I remember that because but you know what?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: I remember that.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's my bad because he started off bad.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: But then he heated up in that fourth plate.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like fourth, yeah.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: They made it close.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: They came back and made it close.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: I remember that, yeah.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's the game.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: That was that Friday.
• 39:13
  unknown: Ah, man.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's game two.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: And that was a heartbreaker, too, man.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_04: Because if San Antonio ties it up one-one.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because the shot win me.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's the one where maybe he missed that shot, right?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was because Mr.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Robertson, they drew it at the end.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was one by one.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, New York one by one.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was that game, because then the other one-point game was game third, no, game five.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so it wasn't that game where he missed the shit.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_04: It was game game two, bro, on his home court.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_04: But he's young, bro.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um I think it's I mean, it's bound to happen.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, he, I mean, and he's he's already been at a lot of high pressure moments, um, just being I mean, just all he's played in for France, uh, like the Euros, the World Cup, um, just all that stuff.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: All that's um high pressure in itself.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but now that he's been to the NBA finals, knocked off reigning, knocked off reigning final or knocked off the reigning champs.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'll tell you what though.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think he'll I think they'll definitely be back.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_04: If San Antonio makes the right moves, which I think they'll be back to the finals.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's no, it's no guarantee.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_04: But um, I mean, uh sorry saying I think if San Antonio makes the right moves, um, with the young player with the young uh dogs they got right now, it's um I think it'd kind of be hard for them to not make it to an not make another finals run with with Wemby at the helm.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um I mean, because I mean gr like as long as he as long as bear bearing any injuries um but Wemby's on he's been he's been pretty solid most like most of the time he's been in the league so far.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_04: He had that one um fucking that one thing with his shoulder that kept him out for for a little bit.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_04: But I feel like at that like I feel like at that point in that season it was kind of it was kind of done for for them.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_04: Like they weren't like they weren't really gonna do anything, so they just wanted to set him at that point.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um that was his second year.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: Or was that his was that his No, I think it was his second year.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_04: And then this was his third year.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: So Yeah.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_04: I mean I mean you you know you know I'm high on him, bro.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: He's one two won two defensive players of the year, and we know what he can do on offense, bro.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like um, and there's not not a lot of guys who can match up on him for real.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like you can you can throw bodies at him.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_04: I mean that's and that's and I mean that's what kind of what we saw a little bit in this New York series.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like you were saying you saw the blueprint on Shay a little bit, kind of saw the b blueprint on Wemby um in this finals.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_04: What if you have a agile big man who can kind of move I mean, granted it's hard to come by.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's hard to come by a cat seven foot and can move like him, play defense, but um I mean you can you can still kind of see it in film, what um what slowed Wemby down and what what the Knicks did to ultimately make him shooting because he didn't shoot.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I only put his three-point percentage down.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_04: Or no, 42, 42%.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_04: So I mean he wasn't not awful three, not awful field goal, but 27% from three.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like I think that's both awful.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: You should mean career 42% from the field is not good.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_04: I mean just 27%.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_04: Being 7-4 and like you're gonna get feasting and missing.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: You're 7-4, bro.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's my thing.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: But he's but he's shooting.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: He should he likes to shoot shooting.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: Stop shooting.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's something that's coaching in.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, that's coaching, or whatever it is, or you don't want to go in a fucking paint.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: But you're 7-4, I wouldn't even I've you know, thank you for bringing that up.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's wild to me.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: You look at how many fucking rebounds.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: But you only got 11, but I mean you gotta look, you gotta look at his body type too, bro.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: He's not fucking big.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Finesse.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: He's scrubbed, like yeah.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: You can finesse.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: But he's gonna be.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna take some time.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna take some time to learn how to finesse around some of those, some of those dudes in the NBA, though, bro, because they're seeing they're seeing a 7-4 French dude.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: He really just wanted to shoot all the time.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he will score.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, even when he played good against OKC, he wasn't killing them in the paint.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, dude, he was doing way better in the paint.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: He played good defense and they didn't have no help.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like he was I feel like he was doing better in the paint against OK definitely against OKC better than he was against New York.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, bro, but he though he's not a paint player.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: He likes to shoot shots.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's a jump shooter.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: He's not like a joke.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's not working.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_04: He's not he's not like it.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_04: He's not like a back down kind of ISO type player that's gonna be.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: He would be better, like to me, in my opinion, he would be unstoppable at that point.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: If he was nasty in the paint, there would be nothing you can do with that man at all.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because because off that three-point shot, put your hands up a jump.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it is with him.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's just tall as fuck.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like, but he killed Chet.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: He killed because he's Chet's not fast.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's big, but he's not quick.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: Wimby's quick for his size.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: Cat's quick.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's why Kat was there, and Kat's tall enough to be able to contest those shots when he jumps, or just putting a hand up.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's quick enough to stay with him and put body on him.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's bigger.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's bigger than Chet.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Chet's skinny.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he is.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Cat's got some weight on him.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Kat's bigger than he is.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: He put that, they, you know what I mean?
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, at yeah.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not, but and also, like, you know, I won't even say, you know, maybe not even, I guess I gotta maybe retrap a formula for Shay.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not even that, but if I guess that's a formula if J Dub's not there.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: If J Dub is there, they can't play like that.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: If J Dub is there, they cannot, they can't double or box Shay like that because you have another player.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like Shay is or J Dub can go to another fucking team and go average 25, 27 points a fucking game.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: Be their lead scorer.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know what I mean?
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: They can't, that's why, you know, if Shay, it and it'd be this it'd be the same if if Brunson didn't have cat or the players, you know, the players that you know saying the players that he had.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, shit, those other players just weren't delivering consistently for Shea.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: Shea didn't play that good because of that, too, as well.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because they they they destroyed, he's not, but I'm gonna tell you this right now.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: When the rhythm's not there, it's kind of yeah.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's a great player.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I know what I know what Shay's gonna do in the sauce.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna look, he's gonna look and he's gonna study that whole San Antonio fucking series, bro.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: If he's as if he's as good as I think he is, or if he's as dedicated as I think he is, I think he's gonna fix what, you know what I'm saying?
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna find a we like, all right.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: I know what y'all did, I know what to do.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: Next time y'all put that fuck, you know what I'm saying?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I just, you know what I mean.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: I believe it.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: You can say what the fuck, everybody, you know, motherfuckers that's watching now, you know what I'm saying, that that that whatever.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, watching us talking, that like basketball, they are first serious free throws.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care about that.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: He showed in game seven, free throws ain't mean shit.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because what the fuck was he shooting in game seven?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: At halftime, he only missed one or two goddamn shots.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: Went to the free throw line two or three times.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't fucking miss it.
• 47:18
  unknown: Yeah.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: So that's gonna be like I'm like that for me right there, when it mattered the most, you know what I'm saying?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, fuck them free throws.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm finna go to work.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what the fuck he did.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, you know, with Wimby and them, yeah, yes, sir.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think what they got they gotta stick, maybe, you know, Trey Dear Fox, you know what I'm saying, whatever.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, he didn't play good game in either of the last few games, but I don't think he was healthy.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think they expected too much from him, especially in that last game.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think he was ever fully healthy.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_04: I think, I mean, maybe he I mean he was obviously healthy enough to go out there and play a full series against um well because he played the last few games against um OKC too, didn't he?
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_04: He got back late in that OKC series, I want to say, and then played the full one against New York.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_04: But dude, he had a high ankle sprain, and dude, those bitches aren't he didn't play the full game OK.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think you played I think he missed.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no, I know I no, yeah.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say I know he played two games against OKC.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he came back game three.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_04: I was just gonna say, yeah, he just he he just came back in the last few games.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_04: But um, dude, no, he he was he had like I don't know when he got the high high ankle experience, to be honest, but I know like a Lakers series.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_00: Or no, or sorry, sir, it had to be that fucking uh Minnesota.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Minnesota has got to be last maybe last baby in this Minnesota.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_04: But dude, those I I personally know those aren't no, those aren't easy to come back from.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_04: I mean you can you can I mean tape him up tape them up as much as you can um and just fucking see what you can do out there, but I mean the the fact that the fact that D'Aaron was shooting as bad as he was, I think that's that's definitely gotta be something to do with him just not not being not being 100%.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um Right because I mean we know I've seen him.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: We've yeah I've seen him, you know, even against Golden State.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that Golden State series in the second round.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_04: We've seen what De'Aaron can do in the playoffs.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_04: Like he's fucking he's definitely he's a doff, bro.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_04: They beat that first round in playoffs.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember, bro.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: Let me look at the first one.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: I thought they only played um was it only golden state in the first round?
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I thought they only made it.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: I thought they beat somebody in the series.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even think they beat anybody, dude.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_04: I think they I think they only made it to that.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_04: I think they played San Antonio or no, I think they played Golden State that one year and just lost in seven.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_04: Pretty sure.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_04: Unless I'm tripping, I'm looking at I'm looking at it right now.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they they won the first two, lost the next three, won the won that the last one, and then lost game seven.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, that's crazy.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: I thought they was gonna win that, but especially after they beat Golden State and Golden State to tie it up.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was over at first.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm like Golden State comes back home, made up 32.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: Then they beat him.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they beat him by 22.
• 50:32
  unknown: And dude.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: Fox was averaging 27 that series.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: He was getting off, bro.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_03: But then in that last game, five for 19.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, yeah.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_03: Kind of kind of like what he was doing fucking this series a little bit.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_05: But game six, what do you do in game six when they beat him by 20?
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_05: 26.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_04: That's what yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_04: I mean his best.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: The whole team didn't put up.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't go to say blow him up.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: He put up 38 two times.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: In that series?
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: And niggas kicked the foot.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: Bro, who they fucking game one and game four.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: So did they did uh but yeah.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, how much did Golden State went by in that last game?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh 20.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so everybody shot bad for Sacramento game.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: Then it wasn't one of those.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like Eric Sabonis played bad.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking monk played bad.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: DeRosen played bad.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: Was De Rose Was Rosen on her or something?
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: What did he on her?
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_03: No, it was bro, bro.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_03: That was bro, Herder.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: Herter was starting to be.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_03: It was Harrison Barnes.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, he only played, it was um, who's T Davis?
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think Terrence Davis.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, for that for that.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay, okay.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: Malik, yeah, Monk.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, Trey or Trey Lyles, right?
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: That big man.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, dude, I honestly looking back at it, that team wasn't really like that amazing, bro.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_03: It was Fox, Keegan Murray.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_03: Barnes was like a veteran, but yeah, it's a bonus dude.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_03: Sabonis is a dog, man.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he bro he still is he still is, bro.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_04: He he he's he he's honestly got to get out of Sacramento, really.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: Lots of injuries a sure.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's that's that's that's one dude who can also put up.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean he can put up I mean he was averaging what 16, 12, or 16, 11, and four.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's definitely somebody who can get you a bucket for sure.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_05: But um he's on any anything.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want to watch the fine, but he's on the end of the way.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he was.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I don't think did he play with Tyrese at all?
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I do remember seeing them for like one or two years now, actually.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_04: No, dude, all the all the all the trades that the Kings have made the last few years have been a little bit crazy, bro.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_04: I ain't gonna lie.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_04: The whole that whole block, but like the whole like everything with DeRozan and Levine, and then Sabonis too, and then and then them trading away Fox was like, dude, like I thought I thought they were kind of setting something up with Fox.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_04: Fox Sabonis, Kegan Murray, then they just traded it all away for fucking Chicago as old ass motherfuckers they didn't want.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Zach Levine for me has been one of those players that's been on the wrong team a lot.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he was in Minnesota when Minnesota wasn't good.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: In Chicago for a little bit, Chicago was okay, and they made it a playoffs once.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then Sacramento.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: So this is like score though.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, everywhere he's gone, he can Sack Lee and can fucking score.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's a gift, kind of an ass player, bro.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he one of them dudes where it's like, you know, he just can't ever like put it all together.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, because you think about it, bro, like, other than he's not the best defender, but offensively, like, he can dribble, he can shoot, he got hops, he can, he can get to the ring.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_04: Right, you know what I'm saying?
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_04: Like, but he don't never like I feel like he's not a bad passer either.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right, you know what I'm saying?
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he's a good, like, he's a like, and he got like, I don't know, bro.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he has the capabilities of being to me a better than what he is, you know what I'm saying?
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: But he's one that plays an average 24 or 25, but he's just always been in the wrong like team.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe just mental, maybe just like, you know what I'm saying?
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he cares about basketball, but it's not making that money though.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: And he as a man, but I don't think he got the love for the game, but a lot, like just that the talent he has, bro.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_05: Where'd he go to school at?
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_05: He was at UCLA.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_05: Go to UCLA, okay.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_05: I'm pretty sure.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_05: Look it up.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_05: I I could be wrong.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_04: He's playing, yeah, he did go to UCLA.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_04: He's a lot better than he's in league.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he's he's been in the league for 10 years at this point.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's been in the league for a minute.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, he would be a fucking dog, bro.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't mind I wouldn't mind seeing him getting traded out of fucking Sacramento, bro.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_04: Because they're unless unless they make a trade and put some some put something around because it's really Sabonis.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_04: I think I mean because I think Monk, I mean, I think Monk ended up starting for them most of this season.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um I I can't even really think of any other really guards they had.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_04: Well, Levine was hurt a lot.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he only he only played 39 games this year.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Sabonis didn't play that many games.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: Rose is old.
• 55:56
  unknown: Yeah.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: He was like 37, 38.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: Between 36 and 38, I feel like.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm looking at their fucking Oh yeah, I I forgot they had Rush too.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Russ, I mean I don't know.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_04: Dude, honestly, dude, if they if they get their full five, bro, Russ, Levine, DeRose, and Kiga Murray and Sabonis.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_04: That five's just never gonna be healthy.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_00: How much did Russ average that year?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_04: Russ.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, come on now.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_04: No, I was or yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_04: I mean Russ averaged 15, 5, and 7 this year.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_04: 43%.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_05: I mean the numbers is good.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_05: That's what Russ does.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_05: Always.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: I love Russia bonus play though.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he only played 19, damn.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_04: He was hurt for like all season, bro.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_04: Damn here.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_04: Definitely, no, but uh, yeah.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I don't I don't even know how we got fucking wrapped up on the Kings for real.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, coming up in the coming up into this offseason, man, I wouldn't mind seeing I mean, we're gonna we're gonna see some some big blockbuster trace with uh with Giannis.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be interesting to see where he goes for sure.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_02: Whether he stay whether he's not staying.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_02: No, he's not trade.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: No, yeah, no.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I was gonna say it'll be it'll be interesting whether he he stays in the east or goes to the west, though.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Boston, bro.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think I honestly I think if Boston takes a chance, if they call fucking Milwaukee or whatever, and they say we'll give you a chance to make it Milwaukee motherfuckers, man.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: Jalen Brown or whatever, if they can get Jalen Brown four fucking Giannis.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like Milwaukee's gotta Milwaukee's gotta Milwaukee's gotta ask for one or two more pieces, bro.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: You can't in Boston, you're asking for one or two more.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna tell you this right now, because Giannis is at that stage of his career, bro.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, bro.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's gonna be hurt.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: Damn near the same age.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: Bro, I think, no, listen to me, bro.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's at that stage of his career where he's gonna be hurt.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of like on and off for the rest of bro, Jalen Brown isn't like he's never been that.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: They're the same age, like you said.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's not.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: They're not, he's older.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_00: Giannis is older.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: Giannis like 30 or 31, bro.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_00: Jalen Brown's about 28.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_04: It might be, yeah, might be a few years.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: But that's that's bro, I'm saying Jalen Brown was an MVP caliber player this year, bro.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_00: He led them to that, what, second seed?
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: Tatum came back, yes, a month before the season ended.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_00: He helped.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: But Jalen Brown pretty much led them, bro, to the second seed in the fucking East.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's shown this year that he is an MVP caliber player, and he is a player that you that a team will go be will more than willingly give his ass top dollar.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_04: Wraps up the NBA season, man.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh it was good, good playoffs.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, highly anticipated, and it showed out for real.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um good playoffs all around.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, bearing some bearing some injuries.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_04: Hope your boy, hope your boy Luca is um healthy and that LA can make a good run next year.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_04: Because I am like, I mean, I want to see I want to see everybody healthy, playing, playing their best basketball at the best time.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I mean, that's ultimately what everybody wants.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, every sport.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_04: So But um coming up off season, everything to look forward to.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_04: Kind of getting into it a little bit in the last few last few minutes of the episode.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I mean we're gonna be gonna be talking all that NFL.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um already some big trades that have been happening these last few weeks that we haven't been able to dive into.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_04: But uh yeah, maybe next week, next week might be that time to pop into NFL a little bit.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, but start season two with a bang.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, start season two with a little NFL.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh AJ Start season two or start of season one.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, we got a lot of talk about it.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_04: This one's yeah.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_04: This this one we're gonna be able to cover the whole NFL season, so yeah, it'll be it'll be a good one this year for sure.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_04: I'm excited for it, but uh yeah, until next week.