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#345 - For Azeroth!: "The Cartridge Show" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Anyway, she has informed me that no, I am not in fact the star of
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  a worldwide phenomenon television show, and that I
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  should stop feeling so. Eric.
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  For Lauderon. For the Karen Tour for Pandaria.
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  For calendar to the. Burning region.
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  For Gilnaeus, but has. Not done for the Lich King.
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  For the. Sindori for the alliance for.
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  The Horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
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  another episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Manny,
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  and I am joined once again by the other two parts of the
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  Triumphant. First coming from sunny parts of
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  the US, we have Lex. Hello Lex, how are you and how
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  has the World of Warcraft been treating you?
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  I am great Manny. The World of Warcraft's been
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  treating me very well. I realized the reason that I was
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  parsing with the tanks in raids because I had not updated my
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  talents since 11.1. And I'm sure everyone listening
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  to this is saying who doesn't update their talents until 11.1.
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  But I believe that there's one person listening who also forgot
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  to update their talents and is sitting there like oh wait
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  that's why I'm parsing with the tanks.
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  So if you're listening, you're welcome.
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  Update your talents. So your talents weren't that bad
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  off all the way through Undermine.
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  So the first of all, it's, it's possible, but I actually don't
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  update my talent since 11.0. I the the at least with Demon
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  Hunter, the way that the tear set hit us was so heavily on
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  ammo aura that you kind of needed to reset your talents to
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  make immolation Aura like very like more frequent, like a way
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  you can make it go twice instead of once.
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  And I hadn't done that. So I was doing immolation aura
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  very rarely. And I also in my head it was
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  still a relatively low priority in the rotation.
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  It was kind of like and if you think about it, you hit ammo
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  aura. In fact, actually in my brain I
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  was still back in 11 point whatever where ammo or the point
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  is that you do it with your big pre metamorphosis and pre Ivy
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  rotation. So I frequently fully forgot.
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  There's a lot of reasons that I was doing poorly, but I now have
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  four piece. I have the 30% ratio wrap boots
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  and I also have updated talents. So now if I'm bad this raid
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  night, that's embarrassing, but I can feel better about the
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  entire rest of the season. Hey, I mean you put you put the
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  effort in to improve. So like, we'll see what that
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  that performance is. I'm jealous of you.
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  I don't have my boots yet. I've gotten 0 drops out of the
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  raid that I, that I have rolled on because my RNG apparently is
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  crap. But you know, that's in the raid
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  particularly because I have been pushing for Mythic plus and so
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  forth and getting that and hopefully it's been balancing
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  out. My vaults have not been
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  horrible. So I've been enjoying that.
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  What about you, Sean? How has the this first little
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  bit of season 3 of The Ghost of Koresh been?
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  And I, I mean, you've got two different regions and multiple
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  different characters that you play.
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  Have you been getting lucky overall or how's it been going
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  for you? Things have been really good
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  actually my whole life. Everything like not my whole
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  life as in hold on my dogs, under my chair.
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  Sorry. Dog conscious is great.
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  Yeah, my dog. Yeah.
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  Have you ever have? Have things in life for you ever
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  gone so well that you questioned whether or not you were like the
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  the main character in The Truman Show?
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  Yes, actually not like main character in The Truman Show,
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  but just sort of like a how am I this lucky?
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  How is my life? I'm really glad that you're
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  feeling that. That's where I'm at.
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  Like everything, we found a new. We decided we wanted to move
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  within like 2 days. We found a host that is
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  absolutely perfect for us in every single possible way.
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  Put an offer on it. There was three other, two
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  other. There was two other offers with
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  three total. They countered one of the other
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  offers because it didn't have the condition of needing a house
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  sale, which ours does. The people that had put that
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  offer and I guess got offended that their offer was countered
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  and that they were now in this bidding, quote UN quote bidding
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  war. It wasn't a bidding war.
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  I just immediately offered exactly what the person was
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  asking. I didn't try to undercut it all
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  because I don't like to haggle. And so that that deal fell
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  through and they ended up accepting hours.
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  So and it's just a gorgeous house.
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  We love it, we're super happy. So now we're selling our house.
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  All that's happening. That's great.
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  My EU team, which I I joined as a helper in a mute or so I left
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  in season 4 of Dragonflight and came back to help again with
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  answer wreck. So can court start with answer I
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  Prague with to help them with and then took over as their raid
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  lead for Undermine. And this was my second tier as
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  the raid lead there. And like my third tier, I guess
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  4th tier if you count the two tiers where I helped them on the
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  final boss. But every tier that I've helped
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  this team, they've gotten better.
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  So we just got AOTC on Sunday past, which is the third week
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  reset, which is the fastest they've ever gotten it.
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  They're they're and they are an AOTC only team.
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  So it's not like this team of mythic blasters that got AOTC
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  like they are. They're a team that only goes
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  for a OTCI think in I got to think I think they got the
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  answer one on week 7. So we like cut the time in half
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  basically or more than cut the time in half for for the end of
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  this year. So that was really exciting.
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  The sad news is it's probably my last raid tier with them.
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  I have a lot of other things coming up that are going to make
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  me really busy. So we haven't told the rest of
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  the team yet, but the the GM knows that this is probably and
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  the other officers know that this is probably the last year
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  that I will have the bandwidth to be able to raid with them.
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  But they'll be fine. They're in a really good spot.
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  And then my NA team is four of eight and I think we killed the
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  Forge Weaver, Weaver. But on also on Sunday.
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  All of my raid days are Thursdays and Sundays.
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  But our one of our main tanks missed it.
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  She was at Dragon Con, so I had to fill in.
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  She had done all the Prague I had to come fill in and we got
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  the forge Weaver kill, which was great.
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  Felt really good to step in and not make a bunch of mistakes and
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  not have to relearn the fight for everybody and get that kill.
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  And then we did some fractals pulls.
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  We will kill fractals this week, I'm certain.
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  And they're leaving me in for fractals because I was there for
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  all of the Prague for fractals. So my vault next week and
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  because of the way the raid works, if you kill a boss, you
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  get all of the loot. You're eligible for all the loot
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  from all of the bosses previous to that boss in the vault.
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  So I'm I'm in for Sentinel and then I'm in for fractulas, which
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  will give me one vault slot. But that vault slot could be
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  loot from fractulas Soul hunters who we haven't killed yet
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  because they're technically before fractulas in the raid.
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  Soul Hunters, Fractulas, Forge Weaver, Lumithar, who I haven't
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  killed yet, Soul Binder who I haven't killed yet, and and
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  Plexus Sentinel who I have killed.
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  So that's pretty exciting stuff. Yeah, things are going good.
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  And I had really good news at work about a podcast that we
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  started and that's that is continue.
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  That's the show that's going to be continuing with anyway.
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  It's. Been like a great whoa, don't
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  don't skip past that. People should be aware of and
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  checking out the weekly no lever.
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  That is the other podcast that she's doing with Raider IO had
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  some phenomenal guests so far. I think the last one was with
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  Dan, Mr. GM. Yeah.
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  And yeah, so do make sure you check that out.
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  That is so awesome that everything's going so well for
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  you. I'm beaming.
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  Just like with like reflected Glory.
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  It's like, that's so cool. That's so cool.
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  I have for you. It's great.
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  And like I so I actually and I went to high school together and
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  I had a huge crush on her. And then we went our separate
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  ways for 20 years and then reconnected in 2020.
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  So as I was having this realization, we were driving
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  home from Prince Edward Island after looking after making the
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  offer on this house and everything was just going so
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  well. I looked at her and I was like,
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  are you like an actress that they brought back into the show
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  to keep me here and if so, demand more money.
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  Anyway, she has informed me that no, I am not in fact the star of
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  a worldwide phenomenon television show, and that I
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  should stop feeling so arrogant. Well, that sounds like something
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  that somebody who's trying to keep you in a worldwide
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  phenomenon TV show would say in. Fact, Somebody like pulls Lex
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  out of camera and she gets replaced by a look alike.
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  Yeah, Lex too. This one remembers to change
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  your talents though, so everyone's happy.
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  Yeah, yeah, that's that's right. Anyway, that was a long answer.
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  Warcraft's going great. Everything's going that.
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  That is awesome. I'm really glad for that.
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  So with everything coming up, Sean, unfortunately the hour is
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  getting late and midnight is approaching and it seems, it
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  seems that things aren't going so well for Blizzard because
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  we've been getting a lot of news and a lot of conflicting signals
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  with the news. I know a lot of the conversation
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  has been about maybe the miscommunications, the
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  conflicting information, the fact that some panels were not
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  aired or were aired in a weird order, that it's just generally
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  being hard to get the information correctly,
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  accurately out of Games Kong. And of course, last episode we
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  started on our journey trying to parse through that and get that
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  information out to you. And we're going to continue with
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  that today. Today specifically, we're going
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  to be focusing on a number of articles that Blizzard has put
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  out that is based on the information that we got on Games
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  Con. But it seems the troubles aren't
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  quite done yet because we have already seen some mistakes and
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  redactions and corrections with these articles.
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  So the first article. Oh yeah, I was just going to
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  just real quick, not just to Blizzard, but to like everyone
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  everywhere. Fun fact is that like marketing
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  is a degree in college for a reason.
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  Like you actually want like a marketing and social media team.
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  It's not just it's not just like a money thing.
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  So just not sure where that certainly not Blizzard centric
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  or anything, but maybe maybe consider if you're thinking
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  about not having a marketing team, don't do that anyway,
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  Manny, we're talking about World of Warcraft.
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  Okay, so the first article we're going to talk about is the user
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  interface article. I have been really looking
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  forward to something based on this because this is them
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  bringing in a lot of the stuff that we currently handle and
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  weak cores and add-ons into the base UI.
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  And they had said at Gamescon the things that they were going
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  to be targeting next in line to sort of bring that bring that
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  up. And that includes things like
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  name bars, that includes things like timers.
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  The this article includes that boss alerts and just some
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  general quality of life. So Sean, do you want to give us
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  the rundown of this real quick? Yes, there's sure there's no new
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  news in any of these articles. It's all just information.
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  Sorry, there's very little new news in in these posts.
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  It's information on Gamescon. But we do get one look at the
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  four different potential styles for the nameplates that you'll
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  get to choose from, presumably, and what they're doing to
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  indicate a important cast that you want to interrupt.
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  And it looks really good. I still have some concerns.
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  I'd love to make a list of like, here's the pros, here's the
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  cons. Maybe we'll do that.
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  But the name plates look like they're in the right direction.
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  They definitely still have some work to be done.
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  Do we want to break down the like the name plates or?
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  I do think we should break, break this down just because
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  like there's, there's a lot of details that if you miss it, you
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  might not realize what the effort that they're putting into
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  this. Yeah.
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  So let's first we'll just talk about there's four different
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  styles that it appears you can choose from.
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  One puts the enemy's name in the health bar, one puts it above
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  the health bar. And then along with that, you
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  can have the name of the cast below the health bar with either
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  of the name options or the name of the cast inside the cast bar
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  with either of the name options to give us four options for how
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  they look. And then a simple cast is just a
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  regular cast bar with the yellow Blizzard cast bar that you see
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  now. And an important cast adds a
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  little bit of flare, light flare to the outside of that to let
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  you know, hey, this is an important cast.
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  I think all of this is fine. In the very blurry image that
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  they shared that you struggle to read, you can see that there are
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  some options for things that you can select, including an aggro
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  display. So presumably they'll change
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  color based on aggro. You can add mob buffs, personal
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  debuffs and it looks like shared CC.
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  You could those are and they're in the image these they show you
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  where those would appear on the name frame.
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  And one thing I do want to shout out as being awesome in the in
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  game options, there is a preview where it is showing you what it
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  could potentially look like based on the selection you make.
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  I really hope this is dynamic and that it changes based off
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  the selections you make in the options so that you know before
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  you ever leave the options how it will look.
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  And then you can add enemy player debuffs, friendly player
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  debuffs. And then there's a simplified
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  nameplate option. So the good the pros, four
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  different styles of nameplates, how they look pro that you can
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  add player debuffs and mob buffs and shared CC to see those
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  things. I don't want to say that I think
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  that's all the brand and I guess pro it they look nice.
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  I think these are much more visually appealing than the
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  current raid frames. They they look much more akin to
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  what you would see from not bass player, but like a slightly
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  stylized player, but still very much keeping the Warcraft theme.
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  So that's the pros. Now I would like to say some
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  potential cons. We don't over certain that these
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  are cons because these name puts are still under development.
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  But as it stands right now, we don't see any way for us to
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  adjust what debuffs are tracked. It's just track debuffs or don't
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  track debuffs. And I got to tell you, I don't
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  need to track every single debuff from my class that
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  there's typically usually one or two that I want to track.
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  Another option we don't see here is something that is very
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  popular in Plater is the option to recolor either the border of
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  the nameplate or the nameplate itself when a mob is affected by
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  something like Moonfire. Because when I'm tanking, I want
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  Moonfire on all the mobs. All of my names turn blue and
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  all of my health powers turn blue when they have Moonfire on
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  them so that way I know how to glance.
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  Hey, this mob isn't at Moonfire. I need to put it on that one.
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  This doesn't have an option to do that yet.
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  It looks like the biggest one. The Casper's look great, but
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  they still don't say who they're targeting.
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  This is the number one biggest thing these need to do.
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  If it if it doesn't tell you it's targeting, you don't know
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  if you need to kick it for sure and you don't like it makes it
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  makes spell reflect absolutely useless without knowing who is
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  being targeted. And then the third thing that
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  could be a con, but I think there's a so it's it's coloring
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  of the name plates right now. If you use plater and use any of
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  the popular profiles, they color the name plates.
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  So regular mobs are red when you're fighting them if you have
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  aggro, if you're DPS, if you have aggro, they're green if you
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  don't have aggro. And that's happiness.
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  But they'll make like casters a light blue color, for example.
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  So everybody knows, hey, this is a caster mob.
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  It's going to be set to need to kick.
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  They'll make priority kill targets purple, for example.
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  So you know, hey, I want to, I want to priority kill this, this
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  mob that we're fighting, you know, if a mob does a frontal,
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  it's a darker blue. So you, you know, these things,
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  you color code these things. I don't expect that Blizzard is
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  going to give us the option that and that.
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  So that's done through Plater via Ahmad that specifically
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  recolors each individual enemy nameplate.
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  It doesn't do it in groups. It's not like all casters get
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  this. It recolors each individual
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  enemy. And I think that level of
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  granularity is going to be more than Blizzard wants to give to
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  the majority of players. But what I would really, really,
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  really like to have is an option that we can turn on or off where
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  it is set colors that Blizzard picks that denote the same
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  things. And you know, Blizzard has
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  decided casters will be blue. Blizzard has decided priority
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  kill mobs, nameplates will be purple.
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  I would really, really like that option.
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  And if they don't do it, then hopefully Plater still has
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  access to reskin at the very least the color of a nameplate
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  for these mobs. I think we're heading in a good
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  direction. But those especially the
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  targeting, if you're listening FAZ Dev, it's like the number
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  one, it's, it's, it's the number one thing you have to tell us
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  who is being targeted by these casts.
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  It has like it absolutely has to say that or these name plates
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  remain useless. In that particular situation,
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  yes, yeah, yeah, I, I agree with you that there's a lot of things
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  that we haven't seen that that people definitely use.
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  I know that they have said that some things will not be
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  contextually aware, but there are some things where it is
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  going to have like that situational awareness.
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  They already talked about, like how if you're tanking, it will
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  tell you if a particular mob gets like behind you so you're
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  not able to parry or block, right.
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  And that that is a situational awareness.
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  It'll change as you turn to face it.
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  It'll change as you've turned to face away from it.
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  So they are giving us some awareness off that, which means
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  like which which situational awareness are they not going to
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  give us? And what do they find is going
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  to be too much information is a question that they are going to
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  have to either come out and ask us or it's going to be when
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  we're on the alpha or when we're testing this that they're going
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  to be. There's going to be a deluge of
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  people who say, hey Blizzard, but what about this, right?
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  And that is part of like the building of these things.
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  If it is like the cool down tracker and it's where it's like
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  this is just version 1 and we're going to get additional versions
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  before they start restricting stuff.
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  I like this a lot because it is a much more complete looking
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  version one than that cooldown manager ever was on it as it is
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  currently in game. Flex.
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  What do you what do you think about these name bars in
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  particular? Yeah, I agree.
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  I really, the thing that I really want to see live before I
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  have an opinion on them is how it's going to display the aggro.
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  Because one thing that's kind of standing out to me is the name
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  plates are better, but I don't know that I would say they're
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  like highly readable. One of the first things that I
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  noticed when I saw this article, and you're going to have to look
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  at the article to to believe me, is.
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  So they give you the options that Sean listed out, right.
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  You can either have the the enemy name in the health or
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  outside of the health. You can either have the cast
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  name outside the cast or in the cast.
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  And I understand this is going to be like toggle on and off.
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  So it's not like they're forcing me to do this.
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  The cast name in the cast is, is absolutely unintelligible.
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  The way that they chose to display this like you cannot.
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  I know what it says because I can see it in other places.
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  You can't read it. And so the, the fact that they
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  published it so in it makes me worried, right?
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  It makes me a little bit worried that they're either going to
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  give options. They can say, look, we gave you
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  an option without really testing whether it's like visible and
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  understandable or it's going to remain like, I guess that it
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  confused me as to why they published that option to begin
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  with. And that scares me.
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  But I might be reading a little bit too much into an option that
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  I do not have to pick. So again, I don't have that.
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  That's my big thing is that right now, reading aggro on
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  World of Warcraft's name plates is essentially not possible.
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  And especially as a, a relatively new tank who doesn't
• 21:23
  immediately have the sense of like how to gather groups
• 21:26
  quickly, how to identify what's away from me, that is to me the
• 21:30
  most important thing they need to do.
• 21:32
  They need to make aggro very visually obvious.
• 21:34
  Like Sean said, if you get a name plate add on almost
• 21:37
  universally, they they change colour.
• 21:40
  Like it is a drastic difference when you have aggro and don't
• 21:43
  have aggro. And I'm guessing they're going
• 21:45
  to do something like that, but they haven't shown me.
• 21:47
  So that to me is my like. I feel like I can't make a call
• 21:50
  on this until I have that information.
• 21:52
  Yeah, I I definitely agree, Lex. Readability, how quickly you can
• 21:56
  parse through this information is as important as how what
• 22:03
  information they're giving it to you.
• 22:06
  John, you're saying color-coded, Lex, you're saying color-coded.
• 22:08
  That is a big thing where you can just like quickly at a
• 22:12
  glance, say like, oh, that bar is blue.
• 22:14
  I know what that that is. Rather than having to read, oh,
• 22:18
  that bar says the Ramas sorcerer.
• 22:22
  Oh, it's a caster that is that's definitely something.
• 22:26
  I do think that there is a number of things that we're not
• 22:29
  going to see in this article. That is going to be stuff that
• 22:31
  like I would say, Oh, well, that that's important, but like it's
• 22:34
  never going to be in an article. The space between bars, how
• 22:37
  close they float to to the characters.
• 22:41
  That's all stuff that like I Finnick with when I am setting
• 22:45
  up plater, I like if they're all stacked up on each other on each
• 22:49
  other, are they like is it a cluster of bars?
• 22:51
  Do they stack up in on top of each other?
• 22:54
  Do they, they only go so high in the, in the screen so that like
• 22:58
  they're actually something I'm looking at instead of like
• 23:00
  looking way up to the very margins of my of my monitor.
• 23:05
  So like those are all things that are things that plater and
• 23:08
  other add-ons have added in that Blizzard may not have
• 23:12
  considered. So we got to, we will definitely
• 23:16
  look at that. I also think that there's stuff
• 23:19
  that they've put in that they haven't even shown us.
• 23:21
  Like the important cast has that flare, but I don't expect that
• 23:25
  flare to be a static thing. I expect that to be animated.
• 23:29
  And if it's animated, that will draw my attention way faster
• 23:33
  than if it is just like that flare and nothing and nothing
• 23:38
  moving. Like that's sort of like a, oh,
• 23:40
  did I notice that that that bar had like a little bit of extra
• 23:43
  jagged spikes or was it like that light flying out of the
• 23:47
  edges? Because one thing will get my
• 23:49
  attention way cleaner, way faster.
• 23:52
  So there's a lot of things that like in an article in a picture,
• 23:55
  you may not see. Whereas when you're playing it
• 23:58
  or even seeing it in a video, when other people get into the
• 24:01
  alpha, you'll be able to see it and you'll be able to like go
• 24:05
  like, OK, you know what, that isn't that bad.
• 24:07
  The important cast name actually changes color as it gets closer
• 24:12
  to like casting. Well, that's amazing.
• 24:16
  That sort of stuff it, I wish they would talk about it, but in
• 24:20
  a quick article where it is very overhead like this, sometimes
• 24:25
  you're going to get a lot more questions and you get answer and
• 24:27
  answers. And I think that's going to be a
• 24:29
  repeating theme unfortunately, with these.
• 24:33
  Yeah, it's too bad we didn't have like a dev video where they
• 24:35
  just sat down and in real time went through the builds of these
• 24:40
  features in the states they're in and showed us the menus,
• 24:42
  showed us what they look like in action as opposed to a single
• 24:45
  static image in an article that was probably written by a bot.
• 24:48
  All right, Next up, damage meters.
• 24:51
  We're going to talk Damage mean name plates.
• 24:53
  So like Manny said, better steak than Cooldown Manager was to
• 24:57
  start. Still a lot of work that needs
• 24:59
  to be done. Please give that feedback.
• 25:01
  Get on the forms, hammer that feedback.
• 25:02
  Send it on Twitter. Do it positively.
• 25:04
  Do it, do it constructively. Don't just tell them it bad.
• 25:08
  Let them know why it bad or why it could so damage meter.
• 25:12
  So we're we're looking at damage there's next Blizzard is
• 25:14
  building in their own damage meter system.
• 25:16
  The number one biggest selling point of this, it's going to be
• 25:18
  handled server side, which means it will be 100% accurate, which
• 25:24
  means it will be more accurate than details is in most
• 25:28
  situations. Anybody who's ever been in a
• 25:30
  raid where you have to split the raid knows that your damage
• 25:33
  meter D your details damage meter is basically useless for
• 25:36
  the duration of that fight because you're not getting the
• 25:38
  information from the people that are away from you.
• 25:40
  With all of this being handled server side by Blizzard, that
• 25:42
  should be rectified. That's great news.
• 25:45
  It looks like it has multiple things you can track.
• 25:47
  So in the image they showed the top there's two boxes, 2 details
• 25:51
  ask boxes. The top one says damage done and
• 25:55
  it shows the damage being done by the party.
• 25:57
  It looks pretty. I actually am really enjoying
• 25:59
  this new art style for the UI blizzards come up with.
• 26:02
  All we need now is a square mini map icon and we're golden.
• 26:05
  And then the the box below that which after some talking with
• 26:09
  friends we realized is the healing done box damage done but
• 26:14
  it also says damage done it. Is the damage done you can't
• 26:18
  see? That's right, Yeah, the reverse
• 26:21
  damage done that's. Tracking elemental shaman doing
• 26:26
  the third into healing day done. Yeah, but there is a drop down
• 26:32
  menu, We can't see what other options there are.
• 26:34
  So hopefully we can get things like interrupts, dispels,
• 26:39
  deaths, damage taken, seeing those things are good and people
• 26:43
  like to track that information. It helps you get better at the
• 26:45
  game. A lot of people make the common
• 26:46
  mistake of thinking that damage meters are toxic and the only
• 26:49
  reason they exist is so that people can flame other people.
• 26:52
  That's not true. People use details every key mid
• 26:55
  pull sometimes to know what happened, why did somebody die
• 26:59
  here, why was this damage so high, What mistake did I make?
• 27:02
  What caused this wipe? And that information, at a quick
• 27:05
  glance, without having to search through logs, comes from
• 27:07
  details. So we'd like to see that.
• 27:09
  Lots of options here. That looks like we can change
• 27:11
  the numbers from right now. The vision it gives us is a
• 27:15
  simplified version. I imagine there will be a more
• 27:17
  detailed version. I'm not sure what that'll look
• 27:19
  like because they don't show us. But some things that I would
• 27:23
  like to see that I don't see in here.
• 27:25
  Can I click the bar and get a detailed breakdown of where that
• 27:28
  damage came from? Can I know what this elemental
• 27:31
  shaman, what his damage breakdown was?
• 27:33
  How much of this is chain lightning?
• 27:34
  How much of this is Flame Lash? That's an elemental shaman
• 27:39
  spell. Manny didn't correct me.
• 27:41
  I must have. No, no, that's an enhancement
• 27:42
  spell. Nice try though.
• 27:44
  So close. It's lava Lash.
• 27:46
  Flame Lash doesn't exist, but keep going.
• 27:48
  Oh, fire tongue. OK, that's what we call Manny
• 27:54
  off the air. And so my, my hope is to why
• 28:01
  they will give us that breakdown, that detail, the
• 28:02
  breakdown, which is by the way, folks, where details gets the
• 28:05
  name from is that it says players want to players want to,
• 28:14
  to know whether a new talent build or trinket is having the
• 28:17
  desired effect. Here's my concern.
• 28:20
  That same sentence could also just mean here's a basic damage
• 28:24
  total to tell you if the thing you changed did more damage, and
• 28:28
  not necessarily be indicating that they're interested in
• 28:32
  breaking down those damage sources for us.
• 28:35
  So I this looks pretty, but it feels super light on the details
• 28:42
  right now. I'm going to need to see more
• 28:44
  from the Blizzard damage meter. Yeah.
• 28:48
  Yeah, I'm going to be a little bit.
• 28:50
  Can I be a little bit of a hater?
• 28:51
  I feel like I've been a little bit of a hater for like the last
• 28:54
  few episodes. I'm going to do it again.
• 28:55
  I'm not actually waiting for a response.
• 28:56
  I'm just going to do it. One of the like constant
• 29:01
  anxieties I've had since games.com, it's that all of this
• 29:06
  feels really far from completion.
• 29:10
  Like the fact for, you know, we we made fun of like, Oh, it's
• 29:13
  both damage done. But what that tells me is that
• 29:17
  they don't even have a version of this on their own internal
• 29:21
  pre alpha that they can screenshot.
• 29:23
  That's that they photoshopped it right?
• 29:25
  Otherwise it would say healing done.
• 29:27
  So like I'm and I felt this this way about like the the fact that
• 29:31
  they're so coy about so many different things and like what
• 29:34
  exists where and how different things are are acting.
• 29:37
  It just I'm really worried that this is not where I'd expect it
• 29:42
  to be when we're allegedly pretty close to alpha.
• 29:46
  Am I tripping up? I would, I would say that
• 29:50
  there's reason for you to be concerned because we're dealing
• 29:57
  with information that's coming from a pre alpha state, right?
• 30:01
  What gets shown and where they're pulling these screens
• 30:04
  from and how further along it is by the time they're talking to
• 30:09
  us, right? Those are coming from two
• 30:11
  different states as well, right? So this could be coming from
• 30:16
  something where they're like, hey, we need to do an article
• 30:18
  about this. We're going to release this
• 30:20
  right after games.com. Please have this ready.
• 30:22
  And a month or two months ago, this was being compiled.
• 30:27
  And then we have Gamescon and information has changed.
• 30:30
  They're like, hey, you know what, get me a screen from the
• 30:33
  from the current one, right? And then it's a hey, is this
• 30:38
  build stable? Can we get a, can I pull this
• 30:40
  together? Like there, there's reasons that
• 30:43
  it might not exactly line up, but there's other things
• 30:47
  happening around Gamescon and around the articles that are
• 30:50
  being put out which which make me question the check of things.
• 31:02
  Like before you publish something, somebody needs to be
• 31:06
  reviewing this and that person needs to be knowledgeable about
• 31:10
  like what exactly is going on. And if you're outsourcing it far
• 31:15
  enough away from that knowledge base, a lot more of this can be
• 31:19
  missed, right? So like those are the the issues
• 31:24
  that I'm seeing coming up more where because it's not being
• 31:29
  done so close to in house that we're seeing more, more issues
• 31:32
  because the person who might be like going through this, right,
• 31:37
  was going through this at a much earlier state.
• 31:40
  And then the person who did a last check didn't have that kind
• 31:43
  of like just internal knowledge, right?
• 31:46
  These kind of mistakes can happen, but like when I, when I
• 31:51
  think about like some of the, the issues that they've had or
• 31:55
  the changes that they they've been doing or like even at, at
• 31:59
  Gamescon where they're like, hey, you know what?
• 32:00
  This is something that we've changed since we were just on
• 32:04
  the team, the team stateside and we've decided that this is going
• 32:09
  to change. That to me is an evolution of
• 32:12
  their, of their, their stance on something, their position on
• 32:16
  something. And I'm more lenient on that.
• 32:20
  It's just that a lot of it's happening all at once.
• 32:23
  And that creates another problem where it's like I no longer know
• 32:26
  what to trust what is coming out.
• 32:29
  And for those people who are, are in that similar boat, I'm
• 32:34
  going to say trust what a developer says, even if even if
• 32:40
  it's Ian, especially if it's Ian for two reasons.
• 32:46
  One is that these devs have gone through PR training.
• 32:51
  And part of PR training is if you don't know the answer, don't
• 32:55
  make it up, right? It is so much more damaging to
• 32:59
  have to go back on something you've said than to say, you
• 33:02
  know what? I'm not sure the the team still
• 33:05
  thinking about that. We'll have to get back to you
• 33:07
  than to say something wrong, right?
• 33:11
  Two, yes, you can trust Ian more than other devs for the reason
• 33:18
  that Ian. Can always know best.
• 33:22
  Ian can make a decision in the moment and make it happen.
• 33:29
  Trust trust Ian, because your manager always knows better than
• 33:32
  you do. No, because he can make the
• 33:34
  decision in the moment and then have that carry out.
• 33:38
  And there have been interviews where Ian will actually have
• 33:42
  those moments and be like, you know what, this is something we
• 33:45
  were going to say or share with, but we're leaning this way,
• 33:49
  right? And then the part that people
• 33:52
  hate sometimes about Ian that I also find is actually helpful
• 33:57
  about Ian. Ian's very careful with his
• 34:00
  words. He like, I know he has a legal
• 34:05
  background and some people hate the like sometimes where it
• 34:08
  comes across a little legalese, but he's very meticulous and
• 34:13
  very selective about what he says and how he says it.
• 34:16
  And so you can actually read more into some of the stuff that
• 34:19
  he says. Then people who are just flowery
• 34:22
  with their words and saying and saying something that's
• 34:25
  evocative, but has doesn't have that quite that same substance.
• 34:30
  I know Sean's hating me for that, but that's.
• 34:32
  What? I don't hate.
• 34:33
  I don't hate you, Manny. I just don't know what world you
• 34:35
  live in where Ian says things that come true.
• 34:40
  Again, things are subject to change.
• 34:42
  And of all this is. A Mandela Effect The Ian from
• 34:45
  Manny's universe has always told the truth.
• 34:48
  And the Ian from Shawn's universe always tells lies.
• 34:51
  We figured it out. There you go.
• 34:52
  So they're. Like.
• 34:53
  Like side by side together. Well, the question you're gonna
• 34:57
  ask them to. They're like the door knockers
• 34:59
  from the labyrinth. Exactly.
• 35:02
  So to get us back on track, I have a very similar feeling with
• 35:06
  the damage meters that I do with the name plates, which I don't
• 35:11
  really feel like I can make a call until I can click on it
• 35:13
  until I see a little bit more. One thing I do like is, assuming
• 35:16
  that the screenshot is accurate, you can have a damage and a
• 35:19
  healing meter together. Is that on purpose or was that
• 35:23
  an accidental? Oh, let's show them we can do
• 35:25
  damage and healing so that we don't have podcasters being
• 35:27
  like, they didn't tell me they could do healing, so I think
• 35:29
  it's going to be damage only. I don't know, but that'll be
• 35:32
  sick. I'd like that I am with Sean,
• 35:34
  though I do think we really need things like to spells and
• 35:36
  interrupts and I in mine is so that I can flame people, but I
• 35:38
  as a lead, the Guild lead, do occasionally need to Hey guys,
• 35:42
  so we can see FYI who's not doing their kicks.
• 35:45
  That's why I want it in there. I, I genuinely think that it's
• 35:48
  going to include that sort of stuff.
• 35:50
  There's no way that they have an article that's like, is your
• 35:53
  trinket working and then just have your base damage without
• 35:57
  being able to isolate how much that trinket was blocking and
• 36:00
  how much damage it was doing that.
• 36:02
  That would sort of defeat the purpose of the details, as you
• 36:07
  were saying. I realized, sorry man, I'm
• 36:09
  speaking one minute as I prioritized the joke and I
• 36:12
  didn't say the actual thing that I actually wanted to say, which
• 36:14
  is that the one thing that I'm noticing is missing from this is
• 36:18
  the ability to toggle between fights.
• 36:20
  I do not want only the damage from my most recent fight.
• 36:23
  I want to be able to look back at what happened 2 fights ago.
• 36:26
  I want to be able to like not go into trash and immediately lose
• 36:29
  what happened in the raid boss 2 minutes ago that I think is is
• 36:33
  an important thing that details has that I want them to preserve
• 36:36
  and it does not appear that they're preserving it.
• 36:38
  But again, it's not real. It's.
• 36:41
  Photoshopped There's three buttons on the top of this
• 36:43
  meter. One of them is the drop down
• 36:45
  that selects damage or healing or X.
• 36:49
  The next one is it looks like an up and down line which might be
• 36:52
  a divider icon between the drop down arrow and the next icon
• 36:56
  which is the typical cog wheel for settings.
• 36:59
  But that up and down airline might be the fight selection.
• 37:03
  Yeah. Sorry, not an arrow, it's just
• 37:06
  an up and down line. That might be it could be an I
• 37:08
  as well. Images they chose.
• 37:11
  It could be a one. Which images they chose most?
• 37:13
  Recent fight fight 2 for the thing Like yeah.
• 37:17
  I didn't number it. I'm going to lose my mind.
• 37:21
  And overall, like current damage and overall damage, like how is
• 37:25
  it happening in this poll and how do we look over all?
• 37:27
  Yeah. Anyway, those are all things I
• 37:28
  just, I basically just want details.
• 37:30
  Just give me details. It's I desperately, I don't
• 37:36
  believe based on conversations I've had that they are talking
• 37:41
  to the creators at any meaningful level of the add-ons
• 37:45
  they're attempting to replicate. We'll head into boss alerts
• 37:49
  next, which is the one that makes me say this, But I don't
• 37:53
  believe that they are talking to the creators in any meeting And
• 37:57
  they, I just don't. I know they have had meetings
• 38:01
  with add on creators, but I don't think there are meetings
• 38:04
  along the lines of hey, can you tell us some best practices or
• 38:07
  things that you know people desperately want from your ad on
• 38:10
  what is the most used function? I think it was more of a
• 38:14
  symbolic gesture. But let's talk about boss alerts
• 38:17
  because damage meetings are coming and they will tell us
• 38:19
  something. Boss alerts are also coming.
• 38:22
  So right now if you're fighting in the raid you or even in
• 38:25
  dungeons, you're probably, if you're listening to a podcast in
• 38:28
  World Warcraft, probably using an add on like Bigwigs yay or
• 38:32
  DBM also yay but not my choice but I'm sure it's great.
• 38:36
  So no little. Wigs.
• 38:37
  Are we not going to talk about little wigs?
• 38:38
  Bigwigs and little wigs are the same add on.
• 38:41
  I'm just I'm partial. There is nothing wrong with DBM.
• 38:44
  That was a joke if Adam happens to be listening.
• 38:45
  These both add-ons are they're interchangeable.
• 38:48
  I just happen to prefer bigwigs. I'm biased.
• 38:52
  So we're getting and what those do is basically tell you a
• 38:56
  combat timeline, usually in bar graph form of what ability is
• 39:02
  coming next. You get a bar with a timer and
• 39:04
  then the icon of the ability, the name of the ability.
• 39:06
  Blizzard said, yeah, that's great.
• 39:07
  We know people like that. We're going to give them the
• 39:09
  same thing or something similar and they've taken it and they
• 39:12
  have created their own timeline now.
• 39:14
  Super huge pro here, Bigwigs. DBM.
• 39:17
  Both have to rely on getting the data after the fact and there's
• 39:20
  constant updates to them because data changes.
• 39:22
  Blizzard makes changes that aren't documented so those
• 39:25
  things are always constantly being updated for timers and
• 39:27
  stuff. This is coming direct from
• 39:28
  Blizzard, so presumably the timers will always be the most
• 39:32
  up to date. And when Blizzard makes a change
• 39:35
  in the raid on Week 2, their combat timeline will update
• 39:38
  immediately with that change because it's pulling from the in
• 39:42
  the internal hooks. Oh my God, I hope that's the
• 39:46
  case. And this is I've just unlocked a
• 39:50
  new fear as I was saying that because I was like, what if they
• 39:53
  don't? OK, what's?
• 39:56
  Up well we lost the other was just giving him just an absolute
• 39:59
  fair grip to you. Your voice got filter just was
• 40:02
  like no. Reached down my throat and was
• 40:05
  like they're never updating this so but they're not giving us.
• 40:11
  We don't see anyway the bars that we're used to.
• 40:16
  There is a very popular week or right now that takes the
• 40:19
  information from Big Wings DBM and turns it into a vertical
• 40:24
  timeline where you see an icon and the next spell moves down
• 40:27
  the timeline until it activates. Blizzard's boss mod replicates
• 40:32
  that. You can have it be a horizontal
• 40:34
  timeline with icons or a vertical timeline with icons.
• 40:38
  You have the option to toggle the name of the spell on or off,
• 40:40
  You have the option to toggle the time on or off.
• 40:43
  You can adjust the sizes, and you can get text alerts that
• 40:45
  tell you the name of the spell as it activates.
• 40:48
  All very much the same as Bigwigs and DBM.
• 40:53
  This is great as long as they give us the option to also have
• 40:57
  it in that bar format now. They already have gorgeous bars
• 41:01
  that they're using for the cooldown tracker, just give us
• 41:04
  the option to toggle this timeline into that.
• 41:06
  That is as it stands right now. I can't believe I'm about to say
• 41:09
  this. That is the only ask I have for
• 41:13
  their combat, their boss alerts. Just let me make it a bar graph
• 41:18
  instead of this vertical line. Other than that.
• 41:21
  And and ask 0 Keep it up to date.
• 41:24
  And yeah, S 0, please, like update this.
• 41:28
  You can't if this is out of date for a week, it is you will lose
• 41:32
  the trust of everyone. Nobody will ever want to use
• 41:35
  this again. Yeah, that's it.
• 41:39
  Other than that, I mean, this is a basic, it's a it's a Brit.
• 41:41
  They're pretty simple add-ons and like they're very complex,
• 41:44
  but in in the case of what information they convey, what
• 41:46
  spell is next? When is it happening?
• 41:49
  Oh hey, it's happening now. That's all you really need from
• 41:52
  these. We don't bigwigs DBM offer auto
• 41:55
  marking for for enemies and for like icons and things in the in
• 41:59
  the map. They're like auto mark pylons.
• 42:01
  If there's things to kill it, it doesn't need to have that built
• 42:04
  in. We can go back to manually
• 42:05
  marking. That's a nice thing.
• 42:07
  That's that's a it's a quality of life thing.
• 42:09
  I don't expect blizzards going to want to do that because
• 42:12
  they're probably going to want us to solve these things
• 42:14
  ourselves without something doing it for us.
• 42:16
  So I'm fine if it doesn't have that.
• 42:17
  If if your goal is just here's the abilities and when they're
• 42:20
  coming next, that's great. I would ask that you included
• 42:23
  for dungeons and not just raid. And I desperately want either
• 42:29
  natively the option to turn it into a bar.
• 42:31
  I like the bars in the cooldown manager.
• 42:33
  I'll take those. Or let current bigwigs in DBM
• 42:37
  have access to reskin it to make it look like there's even if
• 42:41
  they can't get the same combat hooks, let them reskin the way
• 42:44
  that it looks so that it looks the same.
• 42:47
  Other than that, I'm not super. I am terrified as of just this
• 42:52
  moment. I'm terrified that this is going
• 42:53
  to get launched and never updated.
• 42:56
  They make so many changes that are not documented on flights.
• 42:59
  Timers are just So anyway, they're going.
• 43:02
  They're surely. Sorry.
• 43:04
  What I want them to do with this is to build it in such a way
• 43:08
  that it is always pulling from the the boss's data.
• 43:12
  So if they change something and the boss does it at a different
• 43:15
  time, it automatically changes the the timer.
• 43:19
  It's not a separate process, just if they can, because
• 43:22
  they're they're working out with this integrated into the game.
• 43:26
  So I want this integrated in a way where it is not a separate
• 43:30
  job to update the timers. The timers are always reflecting
• 43:33
  what's happening happening there.
• 43:36
  The thing that I noticed about this is if you look at both of
• 43:39
  the pictures, they have one ability called savage charge and
• 43:42
  Savage charge has like the icon in red now with a red outline
• 43:47
  rather and then and the name is in red.
• 43:49
  The they have blade storm and that's got like a orange
• 43:52
  outline, but the icon looks the same when they show it in the
• 43:56
  horizontal one. Again, Savage charges like big
• 44:00
  and bright and stuff. Is this their way of showing
• 44:02
  like this is an important thing that you the raid needs to be
• 44:05
  ready for. This is like the big the big
• 44:08
  ability compared to all the other ones.
• 44:11
  Cool, but I'd also like to be able to adjust that my myself to
• 44:18
  say like, hey, this is the ability I really want
• 44:21
  highlighted because this is the ability that my my team is
• 44:24
  struggling with That would be that's the kind of again, it's
• 44:28
  another thing where you're looking to modify it, but just
• 44:31
  to be able to highlight an ability, just be able to get an
• 44:34
  alert when it passes by that 5 second mark because they've got
• 44:37
  it all marked with like each thing has a timer.
• 44:40
  This thing's at 0, this thing's at one second and so forth
• 44:43
  right. I would love if I could just get
• 44:45
  like a little alert when particular abilities get past
• 44:52
  that 5 seconds. Or as a raid leader, I can be
• 44:54
  like, hey team 5 seconds to the savage charge, 5 seconds until
• 45:00
  whatever ability get your like cooldowns and so forth.
• 45:05
  That sort of thing would be great, great for it.
• 45:08
  And it's something you can do with like add-ons.
• 45:11
  You can have particular things give like the big like runaway
• 45:15
  girl and so forth. Or just even small things have
• 45:18
  smaller sounds that that go off through there.
• 45:21
  Because while all of this is shown to us visually, a lot of
• 45:27
  players use audible sounds in order to like lessen the visual
• 45:34
  noise and like adjust through things all the way.
• 45:37
  So that's, that's what I would like.
• 45:40
  And of course, there are, there are players that have different
• 45:42
  accessibility, right? And just because it's on bars
• 45:46
  that are going through that doesn't affect some players the
• 45:49
  same way it affects others. Manny uses DBM because that
• 45:55
  sound cues from DBM. Yeah, Cole, like voice DBM and
• 45:59
  like I totally I've, I've used them all though, right?
• 46:03
  I've used them all. I like which one of us is right.
• 46:06
  So you and I. On the wrong one.
• 46:08
  No, you're not the wrong one, even if you're outnumbered on
• 46:12
  this small segment size, right? Yeah, yeah, I think sad.
• 46:20
  I'm looking forward to this again.
• 46:22
  This one I think is the most from what I could see add on
• 46:26
  that looks like it'll be it'll be best used out-of-the-box from
• 46:30
  what they've what they're showing.
• 46:33
  But again, it's something that I hope that they are responding to
• 46:38
  feedback and that they will also adjust things as it goes based
• 46:44
  on like as they develop new things, as like the needs and
• 46:48
  the wants of the community demand.
• 46:51
  So from there, we're going into more of the quality of life
• 46:55
  stuff. I'm glad that they are
• 46:59
  constantly changing these things.
• 47:00
  This is something that's been ongoing since Dragonflight when
• 47:03
  they first started adjusting the UI.
• 47:05
  And I'm really glad that they are doing this now.
• 47:08
  Looking back, it looks like this was sort of a precursor.
• 47:11
  Let's update the the UI, make it a little bit fancier so that we
• 47:16
  can start pulling back on these things.
• 47:19
  I know people who still don't use the one bag and some people
• 47:25
  who are very much attached to their Addy bag still.
• 47:29
  And some people who said, hey, I don't need Addy bags.
• 47:31
  The people who who drop daddy bags.
• 47:33
  I think you're not quite sure of how the power that the Athlon
• 47:37
  still have. Anyways, I'm really glad that
• 47:40
  they do continue to make these quality of life choices changes.
• 47:44
  But the big one that I'm really glad to see improve is, of
• 47:48
  course, the cooldown manager. In this article, they talk about
• 47:54
  how, hey, you can pull these cooldowns from like essential
• 48:01
  cooldowns to utility to like things that are not displayed.
• 48:04
  All of that is what we're been saying with all the other ones,
• 48:09
  allow us to modify the information that we're getting
• 48:14
  to what we as players deem as important.
• 48:17
  That way the feedback isn't Blizzard, you need to change
• 48:21
  this so that I can accurately track buff XY and Z.
• 48:25
  It is, oh, I'm just going to go into the UI and make sure I can
• 48:29
  track XY and Z and not track ABC.
• 48:33
  And that's what this cooldown manager is, is starting to do.
• 48:35
  So I'm so happy for that. What do you guys think from just
• 48:42
  the pictures? Because again, this is not
• 48:44
  something that we have through through there.
• 48:50
  Let's put that one over to Sean first.
• 48:56
  They I'm interested to see this in action when it comes out 1125
• 49:01
  with all of the changes it's made.
• 49:03
  It will need. They would basically need to
• 49:07
  make weak or as non functional for me to swap off of them.
• 49:11
  Because as good as the cooler manager isn't letting us
• 49:15
  customize what goes where, what spells were tracking, how we're
• 49:19
  tracking, it's still not going to give us the visual control
• 49:23
  that we go as give. It's not going to give us the
• 49:25
  full flexibility that we go as give for what we track.
• 49:29
  You know they can you can set it up so things grow in size or pop
• 49:34
  when you know it's a button you want to press right away from a
• 49:38
  proc or you can yeah, there's just a lot of things you do that
• 49:41
  maybe you'll be able to do eventually with cool on manager.
• 49:43
  But I doubt I I feel like cool on manager is going to be like
• 49:46
  weak auras light really, really good for anybody who's not
• 49:49
  comfortable with weak auras hasn't used them a lot and put
• 49:53
  those people on on pretty much even footing with the vast
• 49:56
  majority of the player base who are using them.
• 49:59
  But even like I've mentioned it before, I like the zoom 30% look
• 50:05
  of the icons because that makes the icon a box and cooldown
• 50:08
  manager by default, you have to have the border.
• 50:11
  I'm not in love with the border. And it also doesn't allow you.
• 50:15
  You can adjust the space between them, but there's a minimum
• 50:18
  space between them that you can adjust.
• 50:20
  And it's still too wide for me. I want them closer.
• 50:25
  So just those kinds of minor things 'cause me some still some
• 50:30
  consternation, but it does look like it's getting way better.
• 50:33
  And somebody who's not using a full week or a pack, I think
• 50:35
  this is going to be a massive game changer.
• 50:38
  And there I know people who do use WE core packs now who will
• 50:40
  want to move off of them to the Blizzard option because they
• 50:44
  believe it will increase their frame rate, which I don't
• 50:49
  believe, but it may. Depending on the strength of
• 50:52
  their computer, we cores are one of the number one sources for
• 50:56
  people to have issues. And I think this past week we've
• 51:00
  had issues with LVUI causing like some issues with frame
• 51:05
  rate. So like sometimes add-ons do
• 51:08
  'cause that. And if you are on a older PC or
• 51:12
  you just so happen to be on like some non standard hardware,
• 51:16
  yeah, yeah, I can understand that.
• 51:18
  What about you Lex? What are you thinking about
• 51:20
  this? I'm feeling pretty good about
• 51:24
  this. So I am famously a tell me one
• 51:26
  girlie and I would I would much prefer to use the base UI than
• 51:35
  to use an add on. That said, and forgive me if
• 51:38
  this has been discussed in another place, I'm forgetting
• 51:41
  it, there are some functionalities of tell me when
• 51:44
  that I don't believe they've said yet are coming into
• 51:47
  cooldown manager things like I can set it.
• 51:50
  So maybe that maybe this actually is a tracking defensive
• 51:53
  thing, I don't know. And I can set it so that, as I
• 51:57
  was saying at the meaning of the show, my MO aura doesn't show up
• 51:59
  until I'm out of MO aura. I don't, I don't want to see it
• 52:02
  unless I both have it up and also don't need it or I do need
• 52:06
  it at the moment. I, some of my skills only show
• 52:10
  up when I'm at a certain amount, like I'm at like 30% of fury or
• 52:14
  less, right? Again, I do not want to see that
• 52:17
  unless I don't want to be looking at my fury.
• 52:19
  I want it to not pop up unless I need to use it.
• 52:22
  I don't know if they have that degree of customized ability.
• 52:26
  I think that is relatively necessary to make a good
• 52:33
  cooldown tracker. I guess my, what I, what I would
• 52:37
  say is I feel in my completely unbiased opinion that the way
• 52:42
  that I like I, I use cooldown trackers at a pretty low level
• 52:46
  and there's some functionality at my low level of cooldown
• 52:49
  tracking that I'm not seeing in this.
• 52:50
  And I, I, I think I will, I'll probably, I'm going to stick
• 52:53
  with tell me when until they either turn it off or this has
• 52:57
  the same thing. So tell me one has just because
• 52:59
  I, you know, why would I make the game harder on myself?
• 53:02
  I'm already parsing with the tanks.
• 53:03
  Yeah, you're doing that on your own.
• 53:05
  Exactly. I'm not doing my talents.
• 53:08
  Yeah, I mean, I think there's going to be reasons that some
• 53:10
  people are just not going to turn this off, sorry, turn off
• 53:14
  their add-ons until they are forced to specifically with weak
• 53:18
  cores. It's because they're so
• 53:20
  programmable. Like if I have a trinket and I
• 53:22
  want to track a trinket, I don't expect Blizz is going to put
• 53:25
  that in my cooldown manager. I don't think I can like pull
• 53:28
  that in and and track how many stacks I'm getting with like a
• 53:31
  trinket with a trinket that I want to use above a certain
• 53:35
  number. I don't think I'm going to be
• 53:37
  able to have like a little audio cue that plays as I'm as I have
• 53:43
  this buff or even something as simple as like, oh, when I am
• 53:48
  above of a a certain level of resources that it changes color.
• 53:54
  These are things that I don't expect Blizzard to put in
• 53:57
  because it is so specific to me, but weak cores allow me to
• 54:01
  engineer that that UI exactly how I want it, and so power
• 54:07
  users are going to stay with those add-ons until they're
• 54:11
  forced off. Super quick note, they actually
• 54:14
  do say in this that come midnight you will be able to set
• 54:16
  sound alerts to our cooldowns. That said, you actually ruined
• 54:20
  my life when you mentioned they probably won't let you talk
• 54:22
  trinkets. I will if I I I'm not even
• 54:28
  kidding when I say if I can't track trinkets on my cooldown
• 54:30
  manager, I will either have to go hard it to like like I will
• 54:36
  refuse a trinket if it is not on a quip or yeah or, or I suppose
• 54:40
  I'll learn. You know how to do a basic macro
• 54:43
  that my team has explained to me 20 times.
• 54:45
  I guess I could do that too, but that actually would also be on
• 54:51
  my list of like making this like.
• 54:54
  I should macro my trinket with my ascendance.
• 54:59
  I forgot to do that. I'm pressing them separately.
• 55:01
  Thanks Lex. I'll be changing that probably
• 55:03
  tonight anyways. But that actually is a good
• 55:08
  point. There are like some unused
• 55:09
  things that you. Ascendance 2 minute cooldown
• 55:12
  trinket I'm using too confusion. The confusion isn't in what you
• 55:17
  said. Manny, how are your I get it.
• 55:20
  I understand Lex not having her triggers macro.
• 55:22
  She's still running the dragonfly demonic balance.
• 55:24
  I accept this. I just got this.
• 55:26
  How? Was it triggered that macro to
• 55:27
  ascendance Manny? I I just got it yesterday and I
• 55:31
  didn't do the macro change. You don't just have an auto
• 55:34
  macro set up for a slot 14 a slot 13 with your ascendants.
• 55:38
  No, because sometimes the trinkets are are not aligned.
• 55:42
  Sometimes I'm using a talent that doesn't use ascendance,
• 55:48
  it's using the deeply rooted elements which pop every so a
• 55:52
  second. So I keep the all.
• 55:53
  Right. I was judging and I shouldn't
• 55:55
  have been. I take it back.
• 55:57
  Honestly, if you get enough haste and you just go deeply
• 55:59
  rooted elements, oh it's so good.
• 56:01
  Anyways, that's separate I I am looking forward to these
• 56:06
  add-ons. Obviously, there's going to be a
• 56:08
  gap between when they come out and they're alive and where they
• 56:13
  need to be for us to comfortably use them and not the add-ons.
• 56:18
  That 4%, because Blizzard has said like, oh, they want to have
• 56:22
  this have like 96% of functionality and there's going
• 56:25
  to be that gap. That 4% is really going to be
• 56:30
  important as we get closer to the point where they say, OK,
• 56:33
  we're going to start restricting the APII.
• 56:36
  That's where my fear is because I don't expect these to show up
• 56:39
  day one and be like, amazing. I just need them to get to that
• 56:43
  4% and that 4% to actually be comfortable, not like, oh, this
• 56:48
  4% is something I really need before they shut off the API.
• 56:52
  So we will be putting forward additional, additional
• 56:57
  commentary criticisms as we see this.
• 57:01
  That was only one article and we're already at the hour mark.
• 57:04
  Guys, I got to, I got to ask, shall we cover the transmog?
• 57:15
  Yeah, the trans mug we could probably cut.
• 57:17
  OK, great. Let's just talk about this
• 57:19
  survey. I'm sorry Lex, I'm pretty sure
• 57:22
  you love trans mug. I.
• 57:25
  Actually understand how to use chat in this podcast.
• 57:29
  Lex is the only one of us. I was, as you were asking Manny,
• 57:33
  I was like, oh, we have a chat message here.
• 57:35
  We have Lex. Lex said the thing Manny's now
• 57:38
  verbalizing to the guests. I'm verbalizing to everybody,
• 57:41
  don't worry. Hello.
• 57:43
  Now everyone knows we cut transmog.
• 57:45
  Yeah, now we cut transmog. I'm I'm sure there are people
• 57:47
  who are going to be upset. Clearly not Lex.
• 57:51
  So yeah, we got to talk about M Plus, by the way.
• 57:56
  So if we got to cut to anything, it's going to be Transmark.
• 57:59
  So let's talk about, let's talk about M Plus.
• 58:03
  Let's talk about this survey that's been going around
• 58:06
  because, you know, Blizzard says don't share this survey and
• 58:10
  apparently nobody listens because they're being Reddit
• 58:14
  posts. There have been tweets about
• 58:17
  this. The discussion has been rampant,
• 58:19
  so let's throw this one to Sean You, you love M Plus, give us a
• 58:26
  give us a breakdown. People saying that we're getting
• 58:32
  fellowship coming to Wow. Yeah, so there's it was a survey
• 58:36
  with six questions, Blizzard saying, hey, give us your
• 58:41
  interest levels on these six type topics ranging from not
• 58:44
  interested at all to extremely interested.
• 58:47
  One of these was about the potential for group Finder.
• 58:51
  I'll just read them. Group Finder can automatically
• 58:53
  form a group for you based on criteria you set as a group
• 58:57
  leader. How interested are you in this?
• 58:59
  This is one of six options and apparently the only one anybody
• 59:04
  read. The second one says, because
• 59:07
  people read that and instantly thought we're getting solo cues
• 59:09
  and Mythic plus, Blizzard is giving us solo cue.
• 59:12
  They're forcing solo cue on us. Mythic Plus is dead.
• 59:16
  No one's going to Mythic Plus again anymore.
• 59:18
  Blizzard ruin Mythic Plus. And then it flipped somewhere
• 59:24
  around noon today, and the Hall of Fame guilds who were classic
• 59:28
  raid loggers were suddenly like, we're getting solo cues.
• 59:31
  We have people to do dungeons with again.
• 59:34
  Anyway, the second question of 6 let's think what 12 percent?
• 59:39
  12% of the questions was about solo queue.
• 59:44
  Now group leaders. Second question, Group leaders
• 59:46
  key is resilient. This means it won't drop if you
• 59:49
  deplete it for the first group they lead each week.
• 59:52
  How interested are you? Second question and 3rd question
• 59:56
  was group leaders receive additional crests after the
• 59:59
  completion of the dungeon. The 4th question was group
• 1:00:02
  leaders receive additional valor stones after completion of the
• 1:00:05
  dungeon, which to me I think is the most important question
• 1:00:08
  because this means valor stones still exist in midnight.
• 1:00:11
  What the heck, Blizz? Why delete values?
• 1:00:15
  On question five, Group Finder will recommend players with a
• 1:00:19
  similar skill level to you as a group leader.
• 1:00:22
  How interested are you? We already can sort of do this
• 1:00:25
  with filters that they give us. So I guess I'm as interested as
• 1:00:28
  I was when you first implemented it, Blizz.
• 1:00:31
  And then question six, group Finder will recommend players
• 1:00:34
  with similar play styles or goals to you as a group leader.
• 1:00:38
  And again, I'm pretty sure you can already filter by this as
• 1:00:41
  well, whether they want completion or in time.
• 1:00:46
  So this is the survey. The Blizzard obviously
• 1:00:49
  recognizes that there is a community problem with with LFG
• 1:00:54
  tool. The LFG tool.
• 1:00:56
  I want to be super clear here. The LFG tool is not a problem.
• 1:00:59
  LFG tool does exactly what it is meant to do.
• 1:01:01
  It allows people to post keys, that allows people to queue for
• 1:01:05
  those posted keys, and it allows the person who posted them to
• 1:01:08
  select keys to put a group together to run a dungeon.
• 1:01:11
  LFG does exactly what it does. People however also do exactly
• 1:01:15
  what people do and get super picky and super weird and super
• 1:01:19
  toxic while putting these groups together.
• 1:01:21
  And sometimes people get invited because they're hunters and then
• 1:01:25
  the group says are you marksman? And the hunter says no on BM and
• 1:01:29
  they kick them because they don't understand that their
• 1:01:31
  weekly 10 doesn't need a marksmanship hunter.
• 1:01:36
  So are we getting solo queues guys?
• 1:01:38
  I guess that's the question. I think that two things have to
• 1:01:43
  happen for me to actually care about the solo queue.
• 1:01:46
  I think that if the first key you run with your key is
• 1:01:51
  resilient, I think that that is incentivizing me to lead a
• 1:01:56
  group, right? If that resilient key has to be
• 1:02:02
  done through this like solo queue group Finder, so be it.
• 1:02:07
  Like it's like, OK, I've got nothing to lose.
• 1:02:09
  Let me just throw a random group together that like please, it
• 1:02:13
  puts together and hopefully it doesn't take me an hour to get
• 1:02:16
  through a 33 minute key, right. That sure, OK, on a day I'll
• 1:02:21
  give that a a test and I'll go through it.
• 1:02:24
  I would much prefer resilient if I am the person on the first
• 1:02:28
  time that I put my key in as a group leader that to me, sure,
• 1:02:33
  I'll I'll put go through a group thing and I'll still deal with
• 1:02:36
  like all the toxicity that is going to happen, right.
• 1:02:43
  I just don't think that the solo group Finder is good for mythic
• 1:02:49
  Plus. If you can burn your key, I
• 1:02:51
  think that's going to be painful.
• 1:02:54
  Especially when we already have sort of a response to this
• 1:03:02
  abandoned abanders thing where people are sort of extorting the
• 1:03:06
  like, Oh well if you're not going to force the abandoned,
• 1:03:10
  I'm just going to butt pull everything.
• 1:03:11
  I'm going to purposely wipe until nobody wants wants to do
• 1:03:15
  this key. I don't need to be thrown in
• 1:03:17
  with randoms for where that behavior becomes that much
• 1:03:21
  easier for them. So yeah, I, I'm really afraid of
• 1:03:27
  solo queues right now based on based on experience with current
• 1:03:33
  bad stories. Like I've only had like 2 bad
• 1:03:38
  groups this this tier and one of them was like great attitude
• 1:03:44
  just unable to like God Blizzard bring me the interrupt.
• 1:03:49
  Bring me the interrupt tutorial please Blizzard.
• 1:03:55
  Instead of vote to kick, you vote to put them in the
• 1:03:57
  interrupt tutorial. That's the most toxic thing
• 1:04:00
  Manny's ever said on this podcast.
• 1:04:03
  It was so painful. Manny ran a key and at the end
• 1:04:06
  of the key said you should try the interrupt tutorial.
• 1:04:10
  No, no, no, I didn't wait for the end of the key, I mean.
• 1:04:14
  No Manny, Manny, Manny. How could I'm supposed to be the
• 1:04:18
  toxic one? I'm but I remember to hear it.
• 1:04:22
  When I was saying it anyways, I do think that solo group is
• 1:04:33
  definitely something that I don't want.
• 1:04:37
  I think that group Finder in general kind of pulled apart the
• 1:04:43
  fabric of community of communities.
• 1:04:48
  I think that people who are pushing higher keys typically
• 1:04:51
  will find one another and and form groups and stuff so that
• 1:04:57
  they like. I don't think we're seeing
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  people push like top tier keys without like a dedicated group.
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  And I don't think those those those groups that are even like
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  close to that are using group Finder.
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  And so I think that if you can find people and they're and you
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  like like running keys with them.
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  I've had keys where it's like, oh, let's run another one.
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  What did your key turn into? Sure, let's go do that.
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  And I think that that is like something I would like to
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  encourage. And it gets less likely when,
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  let's say two of the five people can just be like, yeah, no, I
• 1:05:39
  get an instant queue anyways, I'm out of here.
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  Yeah, I was already thinking that.
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  If you're 1. Out of threes as a tank I would
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  get instant cues. So if it's going sideways I
• 1:05:53
  would just leave and re queue instant.
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  But I think everybody's cues would be pretty fast.
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  I don't know how solo shuffle work.
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  I don't know if those cues are instant.
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  I I actually think group Finder giving the option to auto put a
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  group together based on people who applied for a certain key
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  couldn't possibly be worse than the reality that we live in now
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  where DPS sitting queue for 45 minutes and don't get invited to
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  any keys, or an hour and don't get invited to any keys.
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  Or they finally get into a key and they get kicked because
• 1:06:23
  they're the wrong speck of hunter, you know?
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  Or were you queue up for five and in those five groups the
• 1:06:29
  group leader has no intention of taking you.
• 1:06:31
  This is actually APSA if you're waiting for a specific class or
• 1:06:36
  you're like, I don't ever want a group with shadow priest because
• 1:06:38
  I hate classes that do amazing damage and come with good
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  utility. If you are this person, decline
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  those people who signed up because they can only queue for
• 1:06:47
  five at a time. Don't make them sit there in a
• 1:06:50
  key queue they're never going to get.
• 1:06:52
  And on the flip side, if you're somebody who's queued up for
• 1:06:54
  your five dungeons and you get declined for a couple, don't
• 1:06:57
  send that group leader a nasty message saying why would you
• 1:06:59
  decline me, I'm 3.1 K, I'm the best guy to priest on the
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  planet. Except the fact that they
• 1:07:04
  weren't going to take you anyway.
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  Now you can queue up for another group that might take you.
• 1:07:09
  But all this will be fixed when we get so accused.
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  Well, I, so I, I think, and I will say I'm about to
• 1:07:13
  regurgitate a conversation that happened in my Guild discord.
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  So if you're like Wow Lex, you're speaking with a lot of
• 1:07:19
  confidence for somebody who famously doesn't do a lot of
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  mythic plus, because I'm not speaking myself, I'm speaking as
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  my guildies. I think part of the issue is
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  that this isn't answering the core issue with queuing right
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  now, which is that there's like no tanks and healers, right?
• 1:07:37
  Like if you solo Q, it's going to be just as long, if not
• 1:07:40
  longer, because it's not going to change the number of tanks
• 1:07:43
  and healers you have. And again, we had a long
• 1:07:47
  conversation about this in my Guild discord.
• 1:07:50
  I don't have a lot that I can say for what would make healers
• 1:07:53
  more likely to sign up, but one thing that was kind of
• 1:07:55
  universally agreed upon in my Guild discord is that it is the
• 1:08:00
  like part of the issue that won't be solved with any of
• 1:08:02
  these things is that the challenge rating to get in as a
• 1:08:05
  tank is just really high. The number of things you need to
• 1:08:08
  be able to balance if you're going to tank, especially a pug
• 1:08:10
  Mythic plus. Like when I mythic plus with my
• 1:08:12
  Guild, they walk me through things.
• 1:08:14
  Who cares that I don't know routes?
• 1:08:15
  Who cares that I like, you don't have to Google the mechanics.
• 1:08:18
  Who cares that I like, don't fully understand which packs can
• 1:08:20
  pull together and which packs can't?
• 1:08:21
  That's fine because somebody's going to talk me through an
• 1:08:23
  invoice. I really want to pug M plus keys
• 1:08:28
  like conceptually that sounds really good for me because I'd
• 1:08:30
  like to be able like I don't really play at the time.
• 1:08:32
  So most my friends play and I I enjoy tanking as a concept.
• 1:08:37
  So it makes a ton of sense to me to just start popping in pug
• 1:08:40
  keys. I get very overwhelmed when I
• 1:08:45
  look up routing guides. If you don't, if you haven't
• 1:08:47
  routed before, it's complicated. Like maybe I'm just a little
• 1:08:49
  stupid. I'm also a little stupid, but
• 1:08:51
  like, it's it's scary to go in and be like, Oh God, I don't
• 1:08:54
  really know that I fully know the route and I don't really
• 1:08:56
  know what I can pull together, but I know I have to pull
• 1:08:57
  multiple packs at once and like, oh, wait, wait, was that a pack
• 1:09:00
  that like now everyone's mad at me because I'm not supposed to
• 1:09:02
  pull this one thing or I'm supposed to notice me by it.
• 1:09:04
  And on top of that, I'm also trying to like do the mechanics
• 1:09:06
  and make sure that I'm not, you know, wiping my team as the
• 1:09:08
  tank. And I'm also trying to do my
• 1:09:09
  rotation and that and, and on top of that, if things go wrong,
• 1:09:15
  everyone's going to yell at me. So the first thing we can do
• 1:09:17
  with a Blizzard can't even fix. But I this is to all the
• 1:09:19
  listeners. If you just sat in queue for
• 1:09:23
  hours and hours trying to find a group and you get a tank and the
• 1:09:26
  tank is kind of sucking and you're typing out your little
• 1:09:28
  message of hey, idiot, learn to tank, you loser.
• 1:09:32
  Maybe consider that the fact that they're learning to tank
• 1:09:35
  right there is the reason. Like if, if more people were
• 1:09:37
  learning to tank and were willing to be kind of crappy in
• 1:09:40
  in in mythic plus, you would sit in queue for shorter periods of
• 1:09:42
  time. But all of which is to say,
• 1:09:46
  yeah, some of this, like the resilience seems pretty popular
• 1:09:49
  universally. I think that's a good idea to
• 1:09:51
  make it easier and like safer to to pug keys.
• 1:09:54
  The crust of the valor stones. I guess to me, again, I don't
• 1:09:56
  really do my thick plus it doesn't even make sense as a
• 1:09:59
  like it it would make you sign up more.
• 1:10:01
  But if I as the player, don't get additional crust of valor
• 1:10:04
  stones, why wouldn't I? I'd still just leave, right?
• 1:10:07
  There's no reason I wouldn't deplete a key and feel like, oh,
• 1:10:09
  well, this is going poorly. I'm just bouncing.
• 1:10:11
  I guess hypothetically I could get voted out, but whatever.
• 1:10:15
  I I do really wish that there was a way and I know you can
• 1:10:19
  kind of do it in in the LFG right now, but like I would love
• 1:10:24
  if there was a way that I could mark myself as a baby tank.
• 1:10:27
  And like when I sign up, it just gives a notification like this
• 1:10:29
  tank has said that or like this player says that they don't like
• 1:10:32
  that they're playing it like, and I know there's like discords
• 1:10:34
  and stuff that kind of do that, but like, yeah, I actually kind
• 1:10:36
  of would like that, right. I would like to sign up in nice
• 1:10:40
  queue. Let me go over to learning queue
• 1:10:43
  and then you guys can go to your hard queue.
• 1:10:46
  But I don't think any of this affects the fact that the two
• 1:10:51
  most sought after groups, A lot of people like if are are so
• 1:10:54
  popular that they're just in groups already and and are
• 1:10:56
  really pugging. And the fact that, fairly or
• 1:11:00
  not, Mythic Plus has a reputation of being toxic and so
• 1:11:03
  people don't want to pug into it because they don't want to risk
• 1:11:07
  that. Yeah, I mean, I do think that
• 1:11:13
  all of those all of those points are just stand.
• 1:11:16
  It is one of those things where you force out the people who are
• 1:11:19
  trying to learn it, which makes it harder to do those, to find
• 1:11:23
  people to do those roles. And it causes things the people
• 1:11:26
  that are good kind of get scooped up.
• 1:11:29
  But like I don't see the point in giving extra valor stones and
• 1:11:34
  extra crests. Like if I'm filling my row of
• 1:11:36
  vault, I'm hitting the the cap on Crest, right?
• 1:11:41
  Unless I'm doing like my 1:10 and then that's what am I gonna
• 1:11:46
  do? Like not lead a group until I'm
• 1:11:50
  ready to do my 1:10 to get extra crests in that or do that as my
• 1:11:56
  first one where I'm going to be through and then not and not
• 1:12:00
  lead a group thereafter. It's just, it's just a very
• 1:12:03
  strange, strange thing. And I don't think it gives them,
• 1:12:10
  I don't think it gives them what they're looking for, which is,
• 1:12:14
  hey, more people listing groups. If there are more people listing
• 1:12:17
  groups and there are more group groups out there, then it's
• 1:12:19
  great. But like, let's say you have
• 1:12:21
  something so great that everybody wants to lead a group.
• 1:12:24
  Well, now everybody's leading a group.
• 1:12:25
  There's nobody to fill. Like I don't think this is
• 1:12:27
  solving the problem that they that they're actually looking
• 1:12:30
  at. So I don't like, I don't see
• 1:12:35
  these as good quick fixes in my opinion.
• 1:12:38
  I do think that a solo queue would do more harm than good
• 1:12:46
  because the they are they're already talking about the social
• 1:12:50
  contract and every so often you have to sign in and be like,
• 1:12:53
  yes, I will play nice, but when you.
• 1:12:57
  Unless people in my group don't kick and then I'm going to ask
• 1:13:00
  them to do the interim tutorial. I was relative, I was nice.
• 1:13:06
  I did not put any profanity. I spoke about the mechanic.
• 1:13:13
  I. Just wrote the word kick 6 times
• 1:13:14
  question marks. I did.
• 1:13:17
  I, I took the time. We were, we were depleting
• 1:13:20
  anyways. I said, hey, you know what?
• 1:13:22
  It's just going to be a completion.
• 1:13:24
  You're obviously an idiot. Let me explain to you how this
• 1:13:26
  interrupt. Button works on your balls.
• 1:13:27
  Who the hell puts together a group with like anyways?
• 1:13:32
  Anyways I. Love you, Manny.
• 1:13:38
  I'm glad. Listener, if you were in this
• 1:13:41
  key with Manny and you saw the shaman named the true villain
• 1:13:44
  Manny attempting to explain to you how interrupts work, you can
• 1:13:47
  send your thanks over at bit dot LY slash faz discord to let him
• 1:13:50
  know. Hey Manny, thank you.
• 1:13:52
  I will do that interrupt tutorial when it comes out
• 1:13:54
  because I also don't know how to stop casts.
• 1:14:02
  Sorry, it's. OK, you know what?
• 1:14:04
  Swayed me, by the way, I'm I'm out now because as a tank, why
• 1:14:07
  would I ever use so like you when I have my choice of groups
• 1:14:11
  in LFG right now? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:15
  So yeah, I just, and then like, I just think that they just need
• 1:14:19
  to put things together in a way that just encourages you to,
• 1:14:24
  like, make friends out there because, you know, the world's
• 1:14:27
  crappy enough. Make some friends.
• 1:14:31
  That actually is I I will say I do have a little bit of
• 1:14:34
  nostalgia to I did play briefly as a small child in like classic
• 1:14:40
  and and BC and rap. I might have actually been BC
• 1:14:42
  and rap, but whatever. And I feel like I made a lot
• 1:14:47
  more friends. And I think that actually is
• 1:14:49
  another thing that solo Q would pull us further away from.
• 1:14:53
  I. I feel like I was constantly
• 1:14:55
  adding people to my friends list after doing dungeons and
• 1:14:57
  chatting and having a good time. Not I'm sorry, I'm sounding like
• 1:15:00
  a little. I'm ending on a little
• 1:15:01
  funkiness. You said, you said classic and
• 1:15:04
  you said classic BC wrath. And I was OK with that.
• 1:15:07
  I thought you're going to be in fact, when I was a little kid
• 1:15:09
  back in like BFA shadow lands and I was like, I was about to
• 1:15:13
  die. I was about to this keel over
• 1:15:14
  dead in my in my chair, just like I, I hope I got the
• 1:15:18
  gravesite pulled out. But I'm glad.
• 1:15:20
  I'm glad that you said those things.
• 1:15:21
  Yeah. Social, social.
• 1:15:24
  The social part of this game is something that I would like to
• 1:15:28
  have not restored. I don't think you can really go
• 1:15:31
  back and pull things that force people to like rough it out
• 1:15:34
  together, but like at least maintained.
• 1:15:36
  And the more they automate things, the less attached you
• 1:15:40
  are to, to people. It's like, oh, kick that tank
• 1:15:42
  and we'll get somebody to fill in fill in in the next 5 minutes
• 1:15:46
  anyways. And so the learning tank has to
• 1:15:49
  suffer through like the quote UN quote, humiliation and like
• 1:15:54
  depression of like they got kicked midway through through a
• 1:15:57
  key or the healer or the guy who wasn't interrupted interrupting
• 1:16:01
  or that or that shaman whose damage was too low, whatever you
• 1:16:04
  want to call it, because you don't take the time to put the
• 1:16:09
  grip together because it's so easy to just jump into the into
• 1:16:13
  the next thing. Like your interactions are so
• 1:16:18
  flimsy, so like replaceable. And I don't want to encourage
• 1:16:24
  that. So like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not
• 1:16:26
  for the solo queue. Regardless, I'd love to hear
• 1:16:29
  from our listeners what their thoughts are on this, what they
• 1:16:32
  would like out of M plus or what would encourage them to start
• 1:16:35
  making some groups in M plus. I think that regardless of how
• 1:16:39
  your group goes, whatever the bonus is needs to be there just
• 1:16:43
  so you don't need to lead a successful key.
• 1:16:46
  You just need to try and lead. But until next time, guys, wait,
• 1:16:50
  go ahead. I want to do it.
• 1:16:51
  Wait, I want to do a giveaway. Join the discord bit dot LY
• 1:16:55
  slash faz discord. I'll pay for this.
• 1:16:58
  Tell us what class you made and tell us the name of your
• 1:17:01
  interrupt on that class and everybody who does that before
• 1:17:04
  we record next Wednesday. So September the 10th, we record
• 1:17:13
  September the 10th at 8:00 PM, 7:00 PM Eastern Time, Eastern
• 1:17:18
  Daylight savings time. Everybody who does that, I'll
• 1:17:21
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• 1:17:25
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• 1:17:27
  OK, We'll draw a live on the show.
• 1:17:29
  So that's your chance. If you're listening to this,
• 1:17:31
  hopefully you listen to it before next week.
• 1:17:34
  Tell us your main what, what you mean, what class you mean and
• 1:17:37
  the name of your interrupt just so we can start building that
• 1:17:42
  base, that solid base of players that we can group with when we
• 1:17:44
  start doing key. There you go, and until next
• 1:17:49
  time guys, may all your hits be crits.