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- Lucas: You walk into any grocery store in America, and you're within arm's reach of a bottle of Gallo. Barefoot, Apothic, Dark Horse, Carlo Rossi — all of them owned by one family. Luna: And that's not even counting the Gallo label itself. I think people don't realize how much shelf space they control. Lucas: It's about one in four bottles of wine sold in the United States. That's roughly 80 million cases a year. Revenue north of five billion dollars. And the company is still privately held by the third generation of the Gallo family. Luna: Privately held — that's key. Most big wine brands got swallowed by conglomerates. Constellation, Treasury Wine Estates — they're public. Gallo stayed in the family. Lucas: And the story of how they kept it is a lot more dramatic than you'd expect from a wine company. It starts in 1933, right after Prohibition ended. Two brothers, Ernest and Julio Gallo, borrowed money from their mother and set up a winery in Modesto, California. Luna: Their mother — she mortgaged the family farm to back them. That's the classic immigrant-family play. Lucas: Exactly. Ernest was the businessman, the salesman. Julio was the winemaker. They split roles cleanly. And they grew fast by selling cheap, drinkable wine in big jugs — Thunderbird, Ripple. Not fancy, but it moved. Luna: Thunderbird was fortified — like 18 percent alcohol. It had a cult following. But it also kept the company profitable through the post-war decades. Lucas: By the 1980s, Gallo was the largest wine producer in the world. But Ernest was still in charge, and he was a control freak. He ran the company like a personal fiefdom. Everyone reported to him. Luna: So succession was always going to be messy. Lucas: Messy is an understatement. In 1993, Ernest was 84. He had groomed his grandson, Michael Gallo — his daughter's son — to take over. Michael was the heir apparent, working his way up. But Ernest's own son, Joseph Gallo, felt passed over. Luna: Joseph was a dairy farmer, not a winemaker. But he was the son. That's an ancient tension. Lucas: Right. And Joseph decided he wasn't going to sit quietly. He launched a lawsuit against his father and nephew, alleging that Ernest had mismanaged the company and was forcing out legitimate heirs. It got incredibly nasty. Luna: I remember reading about this. Joseph claimed Ernest had a secret trust and was hiding assets. The family dirty laundry became front-page news in California. Lucas: But here's where it gets really interesting. Ernest had set up the ownership structure so that the majority of voting stock was in his hands. Michael Gallo, as president, had operational control. The lawsuit went on for years, but ultimately, Joseph lost. He ended up selling his shares back to the company for a reported one hundred million dollars. Luna: Which is a lot of money, but it also meant he was out. The company stayed with Ernest's branch. Lucas: And Michael Gallo ran the company through the 1990s and 2000s. But then in 2018, he stepped down suddenly. No explanation. And his successor was not another family member — it was a non-family executive, Roger Nabedian. Luna: Wait — so they went outside the family? For a company that prided itself on family control? Lucas: They did. And that tells you something about how hard it is to keep a third generation engaged. Michael had two daughters, but neither wanted to run the business. So the family made a choice: bring in a professional manager, but keep 100 percent ownership in the family trust. Luna: So the bloodline still owns it, but they're not running it day-to-day. That's a model we've seen in other family businesses — like Mars, actually. Lucas: Exactly. And it's worked so far. Under Nabedian, Gallo has gone on an acquisition spree — buying premium brands like Pahlmeyer, Talbott, and most recently, the Rombauer Vineyards. They're moving upmarket. Luna: Because the jug wine business isn't what it used to be. Millennials and Gen Z want twelve-dollar bottles, not two-dollar jugs. Lucas: Right. And Gallo has adapted. They now have over a hundred brands, from budget to super-premium. But the core of the story is the ownership structure. The Gallo family uses a voting trust — the majority of voting shares are held in a trust controlled by a small group of family members. That trust decides who sits on the board. Luna: So even if there are dozens of cousins and descendants, only a handful have real voting power. That avoids the 'too many cooks' problem. Lucas: Precisely. They learned from the 1993 lawsuit. They tightened the governance. They created a family council, a written family constitution, and clear rules for how shares can be sold — which is basically: you can't sell outside the family. Luna: That's the kind of structure that keeps a business private for a hundred years. But it also means that family members who want liquidity have to wait for dividends or a buyback. Lucas: And that's a trade-off. But the Gallos have decided that control is worth more than cash-out. The company has never paid a dividend that would weaken its balance sheet. Instead, they reinvest aggressively. Luna: Which is one reason they've been able to outlast competitors. They're not answering to quarterly earnings calls. Lucas: Right. And the numbers bear it out. Gallo's market share in the US wine market is about 25 percent. The next largest producer, Constellation, is around 15 percent. But Constellation is public and has been shedding wine brands to focus on beer. Gallo just keeps buying. Luna: So the family's long-term horizon is a real competitive advantage. Lucas: It is. And that's the takeaway for anyone listening who runs a family business — or is thinking about succession. The structure matters more than the personalities. If you don't have the right governance in place, the next conflict can tear everything apart. Luna: And these conversations about structure and strategy — they're exactly the kind of thing we try to bring to this show. We deliberately don't run ads on these episodes because we want the focus to stay on the substance. Lucas: That's right. If these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, the simplest way to support that choice is at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No obligation, just an option for those who find value here. Luna: Yeah. And it keeps us free to dig into stories like the Gallos without worrying about sponsors. So thanks to anyone who does. Lucas: Back to the wine. One more detail I love: the Gallo family still has a rule that no family member can work in the company unless they've worked somewhere else first for at least three years. That's straight out of the SC Johnson playbook. Luna: Forces them to build their own track record. Makes it harder to coast on the name. Lucas: Exactly. And it's a big reason why the fourth generation — Michael's daughters and their cousins — are mostly pursuing careers elsewhere. They're not pressured to join the business. The family is okay with letting professionals run it, as long as the ownership stays where it belongs. Luna: So the Gallo story is not just about wine. It's about how a family can preserve wealth and control across generations without forcing every descendant into the family business. Lucas: That's the real legacy. Ernest and Julio built a machine. But the third generation built the governance that kept the machine running.