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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, February 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It is thurs Day in February six. This is Jaguars
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Speaker 1: happy out and now a guy who's not afraid of
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Speaker 1: the rain, but he is collecting animals two by two
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Speaker 1: j peace ship. Apparently it's coming in hot today. The weather.
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Speaker 1: That's what I've heard, weather like schools are letting out early.
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Speaker 1: Would have thought that we were gonna like hurricane. That's
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Speaker 1: why it's funny, said, because my wife was like, big
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Speaker 1: shut down Tallahassee the campus today. I'll go for what
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Speaker 1: she was a storm like because there a hurricane coming
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Speaker 1: this late. She's like no, but this was a high
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Speaker 1: wind like what? And then in pont Vedran they canceled.
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Speaker 1: I'm canceled and I left my house driving here and
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Speaker 1: it was like bawling, like eighteen miles an hour, and
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Speaker 1: I was like, breezy day, what are we doing? It's
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Speaker 1: your weird one. Here's what's cup it up on the
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Speaker 1: program today. Two games in London. That's the news this week.
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Speaker 1: Cohn and Lamping will hear from the Jaguars owner and
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars president. Front office. Edition will talk a little
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Speaker 1: ball coming up, quarterback talk as well, and we'll go
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Speaker 1: around the National Football League. Let's start off with the
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Speaker 1: big news of the week, the Jaguars taking two home
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Speaker 1: games to London and consecutive weeks. The weeks and the
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Speaker 1: opponents will be named later, but the bears of the
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Speaker 1: Steelers games are protected in Jacksonville, Ashland. Sullivan this week
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Speaker 1: asked owner shot Con why the move When I was
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Speaker 1: announced as the owner eight years ago, I think I
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Speaker 1: said that really my goal was to keep Jaguars in Jacksonville,
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Speaker 1: and we will have to think unconventionally pretty much, what
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Speaker 1: do we have to do to win on the field.
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Speaker 1: That's paramount to us, But then we have to win
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Speaker 1: off the field, which is UH to be able to
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Speaker 1: generate the revenue to invest in the team, UH to
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Speaker 1: help but win and play a role uh in really
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Speaker 1: growth vitality of Jacksonville. This was right at the announcement
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Speaker 1: when they announced this national Sullivan the full interview available
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Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com did a fantastic job. Was very
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Speaker 1: well done. It really was, and so check out the
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Speaker 1: full conversation there. A little later in the day, the
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Speaker 1: shot Con and Mark Lamping had a conference call with
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Speaker 1: local media before the announcement. This is actually before the
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Speaker 1: announcement came out and Jaguars president Mark Lamping explained why
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Speaker 1: now is the right time to add a second game,
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Speaker 1: competing with other teams who have radically changed their revenue
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Speaker 1: expectations each year, like the Jaguars, we are entering a
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Speaker 1: uncertain time. That uncertain time is related to three teams
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Speaker 1: that in the past were teams that were with us
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Speaker 1: in the bottom of the league in terms of revenue.
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Speaker 1: They have taken step steps that that that we would
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Speaker 1: not consider. But they've taken steps to fix their revenue
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Speaker 1: by leaving Oakland, by leaving St. Louis, and by leaving
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Speaker 1: San Diego that had has that has had an impact
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Speaker 1: in terms of all the other teams that are at
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Speaker 1: you know where we are in terms of the league
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Speaker 1: and in terms of of now um we know that
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Speaker 1: LA in conjunction with all the things that Shot has
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Speaker 1: already invested in, those will continue to pay pay a
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Speaker 1: dividends for us. But we can't snap our fingers and
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Speaker 1: get Latch open tomorrow. So as we're waiting to go
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Speaker 1: from where we are now, which is Latch just a
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Speaker 1: vision to it actually being being open, we need to
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Speaker 1: be looking for those opportunities to supplement our revenue situation,
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Speaker 1: and we believe that London fits that bill. Uh. Not
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Speaker 1: only is it the right time to do it, but
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Speaker 1: it's the right action. That's Mark Lamping on a conference
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Speaker 1: call with local media just before the announcement the other day.
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Speaker 1: So fellas there we go to home games at Wimbley. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I think in listen the fans, I mean
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Speaker 1: we've seen all the comments and everyone's talked about. You've
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Speaker 1: heard if you listen to the radio shows and everything
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Speaker 1: else about fans are upset. And one of the things,
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Speaker 1: just as we have this conversation, I think it's really
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Speaker 1: important to kind of level set and separate the two
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Speaker 1: two things, two aspects of this organization. One is on
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Speaker 1: the field performance, two is business and UH stability of
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Speaker 1: this franchise and for not just the immediate but the
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Speaker 1: long term UH plan to be here in Jacksonville. And
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Speaker 1: you have to separate those two. And I think sometimes
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Speaker 1: in the anger and the passion, the poor performance on
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Speaker 1: the field spills over to some of the decisions that
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Speaker 1: are made on the business side. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: like Jeff would agree, jpu'd degree, like every one of
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Speaker 1: this building would agree, it's okay to be upset about
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Speaker 1: the onfield performance, like there's nothing like you should as
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Speaker 1: a fan. That's what's great about our fans. It's what's
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Speaker 1: great about fans and NFL. You're passionate, you are mad,
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Speaker 1: you're p ode that this team is not winning enough games.
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Speaker 1: That you know, seven of the last eight years double
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Speaker 1: digit losses, all the stats we've talked about at the
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Speaker 1: close of the season, and that is good, healthy anger.
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Speaker 1: But you but I don't think it's right to have
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Speaker 1: that anger and emotion be spilled over into a decision
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Speaker 1: to go play two games in London, which if you're
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Speaker 1: a season ticket holder and you come to all eight
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Speaker 1: games or all seven games this past year, I get
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Speaker 1: your you have one less game that you can go to.
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Speaker 1: You're frustrated, that's fine, that's natural, but that it's only
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Speaker 1: for the short term. This is a decision that is
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Speaker 1: for next year. There's not even an agreement long term
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Speaker 1: at this point to do anything else. And if you
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Speaker 1: look at the business side of it, all that shod Khan,
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Speaker 1: under Mark's leadership, of his direction that they have done
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Speaker 1: since they've uh shot bought his team, everything is to
6:02
Speaker 1: enhance the fan experience. Everything is to enhance what is
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Speaker 1: going on in the stadium around the stadium in downtown
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Speaker 1: started with the scoreboards, renovation of the club building of
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Speaker 1: Daily's Place, which I don't know about everyone listening. I love,
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Speaker 1: I go, I go to a bunch of shows, I mean,
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Speaker 1: and I live at the beach, so I come downtown,
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Speaker 1: I come here, I go to things around the state,
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Speaker 1: and I go to the Daily's Place. You have a
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Speaker 1: lot j that isn't hopefully on the cusp of happening,
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Speaker 1: which is gonna be bring more people and more excitement.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you have all these different things, hopefully shipyards
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Speaker 1: one day down the road. I mean, so you have
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Speaker 1: all these amazing things happening on the business side in
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Speaker 1: London is part of that strategy where we sit right now.
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Speaker 1: Mark said it perfectly. The teams that had lower revenue
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Speaker 1: than we did, that had revenue issues, they all their owners,
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Speaker 1: who by the way, were deeply rooted in San Diego,
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Speaker 1: dly rooted in St. Louis, and deeply rooted in Oakland.
7:03
Speaker 1: They looked at their fans and said, see you, I'm
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Speaker 1: going for the better deal to create more revenue and
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Speaker 1: more value. We have an owner that's saying, no, we're
7:14
Speaker 1: not going to do that. We're gonna make it work here. Now.
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Speaker 1: We gotta get creative and we gotta do some different
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Speaker 1: things to do it, and it will evolve over time.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm gonna invest my own money
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Speaker 1: into projects around the stadium to make this a better
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Speaker 1: overall experience. And right now that means going to play
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Speaker 1: one extra game in London, So two games in London,
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Speaker 1: and I get for those any season ticket holder who
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Speaker 1: came to seven games this past year, you have to
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Speaker 1: be upset if you only came to six games last year,
7:45
Speaker 1: nothing changes for me. I'm glad you're not counting preseason games.
7:48
Speaker 1: I'm just saying regular season games just you and you
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Speaker 1: can't count you guys. You and I both agree on
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Speaker 1: prisons games. But if you came to seven regular season
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Speaker 1: games last year, okay, I get you're frustrated and you
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Speaker 1: you're your upset you if you only came to six
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Speaker 1: last year, I'd love to know how many season take
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Speaker 1: holders actually go to all seven games. I'm just I'm
8:07
Speaker 1: sure there's a big number. Loud. Well, that's fine, basal
8:12
Speaker 1: right now, that's fine. But if it's you only came
8:14
Speaker 1: to six, there's no change nothing changed. It's just been
8:18
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of a dog pile effect.
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Speaker 1: I think there's been uh good reason for fans to
8:24
Speaker 1: be upset because the season didn't go very well. It's
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Speaker 1: two years in a row. And then you had what
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Speaker 1: was perceived by many was the the the inaction or
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Speaker 1: the inactive response from ownership because of two consecutive losing seasons.
8:40
Speaker 1: So you had a bad season, no change or not
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Speaker 1: sufficient enough change to satisfy certain fans of the football
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Speaker 1: leadership leadership. And then now you have of your home
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Speaker 1: games going abroad. I get it. I'm not get I mean,
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Speaker 1: look but if you but I totally get it. But
8:59
Speaker 1: but you still have a fan base that's just upset
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Speaker 1: about that. And look and and rightfully so, I mean,
9:05
Speaker 1: look at if this is your team, you want to
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Speaker 1: see it. I mean, this is your team. You don't
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Speaker 1: want them to do you want to watch it in person.
9:13
Speaker 1: I mean for the die hard people, the people they
9:15
Speaker 1: are fans that this is their team, this is their city,
9:18
Speaker 1: this is the identity of this city. For it to
9:21
Speaker 1: be uh shipped overseas so to think, and that's what
9:24
Speaker 1: a lot of people term it. They have a hard
9:26
Speaker 1: time stomaching that. And I think also to some extent,
9:30
Speaker 1: and I understand that this is temporary, but a lot
9:32
Speaker 1: of people they don't believe that it's temporary. They think that, Okay,
9:36
Speaker 1: this is just the first step. Maybe there's more on
9:38
Speaker 1: the other side. Nobody knows, And certainly many people don't
9:41
Speaker 1: think that it's gonna go back to being one or
9:43
Speaker 1: eventually none because they just don't want to believe it.
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Speaker 1: And so I think a lot of times it's just
9:49
Speaker 1: got to kind of sink in and then sometimes and
9:52
Speaker 1: sometimes in any emotions still attached to it. And I
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Speaker 1: understand that, I guess hardly understand the emotion of it.
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Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of reason, which Tony has
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Speaker 1: been talking about there, and that there are some unique
10:06
Speaker 1: challenges in Jacksonville. That's fact. If if you want an
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Speaker 1: owner that wants to be competitive from a financial standpoint,
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Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with that. Look, it's a business.
10:17
Speaker 1: Tony operated a business. Do you think Tony's gonna operate
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Speaker 1: the business that less than capacity or less than an
10:23
Speaker 1: optimum level, or JP or me or anybody else, any
10:27
Speaker 1: business owner. That's what this is. It's a business decision.
10:31
Speaker 1: And look, I get that. I get that side of it.
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Speaker 1: But I also understand that when it comes to passion,
10:39
Speaker 1: people don't want to have business decisions affect their passion
10:43
Speaker 1: because it just doesn't feel good. And I totally get that.
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Speaker 1: But the backdropt of this is that the it is
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Speaker 1: a business decision, but in the grand scheme of things,
10:52
Speaker 1: it's a business of Jacksonville decision. That's my point. So
10:55
Speaker 1: here to keep it here. That's why. That's but here's
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Speaker 1: the thing, and just real quick on that. That's that's
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Speaker 1: what you're What you're saying is down the road, and
11:05
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard for people to have the glasses that
11:09
Speaker 1: show them the future or what things look like three
11:11
Speaker 1: years down the road, four years down road, or five
11:13
Speaker 1: years down the road. But I can tell you this,
11:15
Speaker 1: when I came here, in one of the first things
11:18
Speaker 1: I used to do because I would I live in Mandarin.
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Speaker 1: Still do same place, same drive for the most part.
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Speaker 1: Every day, Come up San Jose Boulevard, across the Main
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Speaker 1: Street bridge, take a ride on Bay Street, down past
11:28
Speaker 1: Maxwell Health cos see coffee planting to the stadium. Been
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Speaker 1: making that drive since nine? Is that drive changed one
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Speaker 1: bit since nine? No? No, it hasn't. Changed at all.
11:44
Speaker 1: How many times have you heard about though forever? The
11:47
Speaker 1: only thing that I've seen change. It's okay, there's a
11:49
Speaker 1: there's a high rise complex there. It's a condominium, and
11:53
Speaker 1: then we have one right next to it. It's a
11:54
Speaker 1: skeleton crew that's left vacant. That's probably gonna cost the
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Speaker 1: city more to tear it down. And I remember me
12:00
Speaker 1: Mangi talking about, hey, look man, we somebody should invest
12:02
Speaker 1: in this river from property. My gosh, this would be great,
12:05
Speaker 1: be awesome. Well, the vision I think that that shot
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Speaker 1: Khan has, which look, I don't even know if I
12:12
Speaker 1: even own a set of glasses that can look that
12:13
Speaker 1: far down the road, because I mean, he's his I thought,
12:17
Speaker 1: it's lot Jay's the river front, it's a vibrant downtown.
12:21
Speaker 1: And look at the reality is, folks, And here's an opportunity.
12:23
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to say and be a pauper
12:27
Speaker 1: for him or trying to be his publicist, but I'm
12:30
Speaker 1: just telling you what Sin made that driving area and
12:32
Speaker 1: a damn thing different about it. And I'm all for
12:35
Speaker 1: about seeing something different. I'm all for seeing about cranes
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Speaker 1: in our downtown. When we go to Nashville, crane that
12:43
Speaker 1: are developing downtown in Nashville. Okay, the cranes that are
12:47
Speaker 1: around Wimbley. Yes, how many cranes have we got? What
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Speaker 1: what's our downtown doing. I haven't seen a crane lately,
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Speaker 1: not a damn thing. And also, id me personally, I'd
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Speaker 1: like to see some change. I'd like to see it
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Speaker 1: get better. So, Jeff, I think what you just said
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Speaker 1: is exactly what I think the conversation should be. Be
13:09
Speaker 1: mad about the performance of the football team. None of
13:14
Speaker 1: us like it, And I get you know what, I
13:16
Speaker 1: think it's fair questions fans asked is like why were
13:18
Speaker 1: there no changes? Were not more of changes made? Those
13:21
Speaker 1: are all fair questions and that and you know what,
13:24
Speaker 1: you can be mad and you can question it, and
13:27
Speaker 1: all those things are fair. What I don't think, and
13:30
Speaker 1: you can be emotionally upset because it's one more game
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Speaker 1: that you're not gonna be able to see here for
13:35
Speaker 1: those of you that come to the games. So yeah,
13:38
Speaker 1: it's one less opportunity. I get that. But at the
13:41
Speaker 1: same time, we have a owner and I cannot stress
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Speaker 1: this enough that is putting his money where his mouth
13:48
Speaker 1: is in the sense of Daily's places here, not here.
13:53
Speaker 1: When he first got here, we had an old stadium,
13:55
Speaker 1: the old scoreboards. His his money went into those scoreboards.
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Speaker 1: His money went into the the a lot of renovation
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Speaker 1: of the stadium, a facility he does not own. He
14:07
Speaker 1: got that question money into Tell me the last time, Jeff,
14:12
Speaker 1: We've been here since ninety five. That someone who says
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Speaker 1: I'll put up a quarter of a billion dollars or
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Speaker 1: whatever the number is to develop a massive project downtown,
14:22
Speaker 1: we'll just already alone. I think it's it's overdone in
14:25
Speaker 1: the stadium. And I got this question last night because
14:27
Speaker 1: I was on with uh Todd Haley and Zig I
14:33
Speaker 1: think this guy is his co host May Yeah, yeah,
14:39
Speaker 1: I'm serious x M NFL Radio last night and uh
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Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, the rumors are talking about
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Speaker 1: the team eventually moving to London, which you know that
14:46
Speaker 1: that pops up. I mean it's look for the people
14:48
Speaker 1: that don't know, I mean that that's part of the conversation.
14:51
Speaker 1: Like again, let me say that again. For the people
14:53
Speaker 1: that don't know, that's part of the conversation. And so
14:56
Speaker 1: my response to that was because they weren't saying that
14:58
Speaker 1: it was, but they said, what about the people that
15:00
Speaker 1: have those questions, and I said, Okay, I said that
15:03
Speaker 1: talk me and you work Tony j P all of us.
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Speaker 1: Are we going to spend a hundred million and and
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Speaker 1: making plans on spending another billion, quarter billion to half
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Speaker 1: a billion or whatever it's gonna call to to do
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Speaker 1: this development downtown. Oh and by the way, we're just
15:21
Speaker 1: gonna take the team. We're gonna move tone, which is
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Speaker 1: the asset we're building around, Right, that's the Hello. Well
15:29
Speaker 1: that's so that's where I get. And like I've had
15:31
Speaker 1: people on Twitter I question my love for Jacksonville and
15:34
Speaker 1: all this stuff and like whatever, they can do whatever
15:36
Speaker 1: they want. I'm actually four sean and what he's doing
15:40
Speaker 1: on the like I questions on the football side too.
15:42
Speaker 1: By the way, right we all do I've said, done
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Speaker 1: a pretty good job. And so but where I'm like
15:51
Speaker 1: a lock in step with what he's doing and I'm
15:54
Speaker 1: a big supporter of his vision because it makes the
15:57
Speaker 1: city I love better. I've heard about downtown for twenty
16:01
Speaker 1: five years, nothing has happened. This is like the first opportunity,
16:04
Speaker 1: like someone's actually like really ready to rock the field.
16:09
Speaker 1: And like he's like and so like do I like
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Speaker 1: would I rather all eight games being in uh jackson
16:16
Speaker 1: Sure be great Sunday morning. It's not home games are fun. Home,
16:21
Speaker 1: it's relaxing. But also, if this is what it made
16:27
Speaker 1: one time, that it gets let out of you. But
16:29
Speaker 1: if this is part of the overall strategy to make
16:33
Speaker 1: this the permanent home of the Jacksonville Jaguars. And by
16:37
Speaker 1: the way, have an owner who's investing and wants to
16:41
Speaker 1: win off the field and make this city better, there's
16:47
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with wanting to off the field. Like I
16:50
Speaker 1: hear people all the time, nothing wrong with that. Friends,
16:52
Speaker 1: greedy and all. If you want to question whether or
16:56
Speaker 1: not some of his moves have been the best to
16:59
Speaker 1: make when on the field happen, that's always open for debate.
17:03
Speaker 1: That's always fair. Yeah, And I've got phone calls and messages,
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Speaker 1: Oh he's greedy, you know, doesn't have enough money and
17:09
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And I said, wait a second, that's
17:11
Speaker 1: not fair. Number one, he's invested his money and he
17:15
Speaker 1: owns a business. If I was the owner of the Jaguars,
17:19
Speaker 1: I would be trying to maximize the revenue and the
17:22
Speaker 1: opportunity to make this great. I wouldn't want to wake
17:25
Speaker 1: up if I was the owner of this franchise. And
17:28
Speaker 1: see that was thirty second and revenue. I'm competing with
17:33
Speaker 1: the Bengals to get out and the Bills to get
17:35
Speaker 1: out of the seller. That's not really what I would want. Like,
17:40
Speaker 1: I want to say, how do I become? How do
17:42
Speaker 1: I start chasing down the top? And that's what I
17:45
Speaker 1: haven't I was doing. And if it takes going to
17:47
Speaker 1: this game year Togo, to two games to London, we'll see.
17:49
Speaker 1: What's the future is. We don't know yet, but you
17:52
Speaker 1: know what, then that's the plan. He's put it, he's
17:55
Speaker 1: invested his money. Then that's what we're gonna do. Hey,
17:58
Speaker 1: let's come back and discuss little football. How about that?
18:02
Speaker 1: There's football? No, but we're gonna We're gonna. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk about it. We'll come back planning ahead. We'll go
18:08
Speaker 1: around the National Football League a little bit later as well.
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Speaker 1: back this year, but that was some of the rationale
22:42
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22:47
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Speaker 1: the answer no matter how many times you ask, or
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Speaker 1: how many different ways, that's exactly what he believes. And
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Speaker 1: that you try to present it to him, that's that's
23:22
Speaker 1: his belief. And and there's nothing wrong with that belief
23:26
Speaker 1: because everybody has an opinion, and do I agree with
23:32
Speaker 1: everything that he said about you know, what should have
23:34
Speaker 1: happened going for No, I don't. But that's the beauty
23:37
Speaker 1: of football. And that's the beauty, beauty about having a
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Speaker 1: a belief, that means you don't have a passion, you
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Speaker 1: don't care about it, you know. And I think all
23:48
Speaker 1: fans are no different than us that they have an opinion.
23:51
Speaker 1: And that's why there has been a very strong vocal
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Speaker 1: opposition to the lack of change that happened at the
23:59
Speaker 1: end of C Sason. And that's and that look, I
24:01
Speaker 1: don't know how what percentage that is, because typically the
24:05
Speaker 1: minority is more vocal than the majority, but it seems
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Speaker 1: like at times that this is the majority speaking at times.
24:13
Speaker 1: But I don't know that. I mean, we're not I
24:15
Speaker 1: don't have a poll or I don't have the ability
24:17
Speaker 1: to pull um. But it look here here's the reality
24:22
Speaker 1: when he needs to happen now this year. And that's
24:26
Speaker 1: the impression that I get from listening to Shan Khan
24:30
Speaker 1: is that this organization, Hey, Doug moro own and Dave calledwell,
24:35
Speaker 1: they need to win this year playoff team, and as
24:38
Speaker 1: Sean said, the record will tell you whether or not
24:41
Speaker 1: that this was the right decision or that his decision
24:45
Speaker 1: was the right one. That's the beauty of the NFL.
24:48
Speaker 1: Now you get a grade at the end of the year,
24:51
Speaker 1: and that's your record. Well, the grade has been bad
24:53
Speaker 1: around here a lot. It has a lot of f's
24:57
Speaker 1: F D minus. Um. I agree with Jeff said, you
25:01
Speaker 1: know the reason to kill it? Uh was I surprised
25:08
Speaker 1: some of the decisions. Sure would I maybe have done
25:12
Speaker 1: things differently, absolutely, but who like you know what like
25:18
Speaker 1: that we'll find out the truth or what's right, what
25:22
Speaker 1: opinion is correct sometimes you know, about eleven months from
25:27
Speaker 1: now we will know. Like what Sean said is like
25:33
Speaker 1: that's like one point of view saying I want stability.
25:37
Speaker 1: You know, if we're gonna go with Gardner, minshew, you
25:41
Speaker 1: believe that's what they're gonna do. Well, I don't. That's
25:44
Speaker 1: the feeling I get. Let me ask you this. We're
25:46
Speaker 1: gonna delve into the quarterbacks a little bit later, so
25:48
Speaker 1: let's not go too deep here. But my point is
25:50
Speaker 1: think but thereafter, but I don't want to, Okay, Gardner
25:55
Speaker 1: met you any position named player if you feel and
26:00
Speaker 1: your strategy is having stability at the head coaching position
26:04
Speaker 1: in the GMS GM position and changing the structure which
26:10
Speaker 1: we can get into that which is I've said on
26:12
Speaker 1: JP you and I talked about it, and Jeff you
26:14
Speaker 1: as well. It's shocking to me that over the last
26:17
Speaker 1: three years they haven't been working together like somehow this
26:19
Speaker 1: is some new revelation that the GM and coach is
26:21
Speaker 1: supposed to be on the same page like together. But
26:23
Speaker 1: it's a different story for a different day. Um. But
26:27
Speaker 1: his strategy is saying like this, and I believe stability
26:29
Speaker 1: is important right now and more turnover isn't gonna help
26:32
Speaker 1: us win next year. Okay, I can't like. That's a
26:35
Speaker 1: point of view that the perspective. That is one strategy.
26:39
Speaker 1: Now I can agree or disagree with the strategy, but
26:41
Speaker 1: it's a it's a sound strategy from a standpoint of
26:44
Speaker 1: a lot of people would tell you that's a good
26:47
Speaker 1: course to take, and we'll find out if it's the
26:49
Speaker 1: right course or not. Like shot said Jeffy repeated, the
26:53
Speaker 1: wins and losses will tell us because at the end
26:55
Speaker 1: of the day, one thing matters and one thing only,
26:57
Speaker 1: and that's winning. And losing. And if you have two
27:01
Speaker 1: more els th ws, well then your strategy or the
27:04
Speaker 1: people executing your strategy are wrong. It should take typically
27:09
Speaker 1: it takes an organization to build, you know, to get
27:15
Speaker 1: to get where you want to get gone takes three
27:17
Speaker 1: years to build, right, I mean that's typically right about
27:22
Speaker 1: that time frame. Trade argue they might have been quicker
27:25
Speaker 1: if Grappo didn't get hurt last year Kansas City. Uh
27:30
Speaker 1: it took him one year soon as yeah, but I
27:33
Speaker 1: mean you got you gotta count the years that he
27:34
Speaker 1: had Alex Smith at the home. But then they made
27:36
Speaker 1: the bull for you. Look, well the first year, uh
27:42
Speaker 1: Andy back up. First year Andy took over there two
27:44
Speaker 1: and fourteen. I think that next year they were competitive
27:47
Speaker 1: at least. So it was one year for Andy. So
27:50
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's competitive, but any reason, by the way,
27:53
Speaker 1: you won the best coaches in history that's looked to
27:55
Speaker 1: by far. I'm very happy for him. By the way, Uh,
27:58
Speaker 1: we haven't do we even we even have anything in
27:59
Speaker 1: there for that ser Bowl when we go around the league. Okay,
28:03
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure important part of the league,
28:05
Speaker 1: but something. But my point is is that you typically
28:07
Speaker 1: to to build an organization. You're talking about three years
28:11
Speaker 1: and when you have that three year period, you better
28:14
Speaker 1: have a quarterback to be able to do that. All right, son,
28:19
Speaker 1: we can you guys stop you right there because this
28:21
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28:23
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28:28
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28:33
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28:37
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28:40
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28:45
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28:48
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28:51
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28:54
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28:57
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29:02
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29:06
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29:08
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29:09
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29:12
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29:15
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29:18
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Speaker 1: If you have two, you don't have one. I think
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33:19
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Speaker 1: those out on the Jaguars social media pages. Quarterbacks and
34:00
Speaker 1: Aris been of riches. Two quarterbacks, and you know Nick
34:05
Speaker 1: Foles obviously started here comes Gardner means you six and six,
34:08
Speaker 1: everybody's on the roster. Josh jobs around there. Down the
34:11
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34:15
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34:18
Speaker 1: where will there be changes or additions to that quarterback room?
34:21
Speaker 1: In your opinion, Lucks, it seems like you were really
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34:28
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34:30
Speaker 1: quarterback position is that you've got two really good players.
34:36
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, you have two players that are
34:40
Speaker 1: coming off of a year that still many questions exist about.
34:45
Speaker 1: And that if, in my opinion, if you stand pad
34:48
Speaker 1: or if you're satisfied with two good quarterbacks, then that
34:50
Speaker 1: means that's going to keep you from finding a great one.
34:53
Speaker 1: Which means that I'm not saying that that's his position.
34:56
Speaker 1: His position, maybe that he wants to find a great
35:00
Speaker 1: and maybe he's saying that just to you know, say, hey,
35:03
Speaker 1: these are our guys for now. We don't know if
35:04
Speaker 1: we're going to get another one. So but I think
35:08
Speaker 1: that that position, the search has to still continue because
35:13
Speaker 1: if the search ends, then you miss maybe another opportunity
35:18
Speaker 1: at finding what will be the next Patrick Mahomes or
35:23
Speaker 1: and you had that opportunity lost already. Could it be
35:27
Speaker 1: the next Deshaun Watson or Tom Brady whatever it is.
35:31
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to criticize Gardner minshow because I
35:34
Speaker 1: think he had a phenomenal season for any type of
35:37
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. But does that mean that that because he
35:41
Speaker 1: had a good rookie season, which, by the way, how
35:45
Speaker 1: many wins did did he get? Arback? Okay, six wins
35:50
Speaker 1: is and I know he didn't start all the games,
35:53
Speaker 1: but six wins is not what you're after. You're after
35:56
Speaker 1: double digit wins. And I'm not saying that. I'm not
35:58
Speaker 1: trying trying to like know of people us rookie give
36:01
Speaker 1: him a break. I get that. I get that. I'm
36:03
Speaker 1: just saying that, un tell you know that you have
36:06
Speaker 1: a guy at that position. The search doesn't end, and
36:10
Speaker 1: it cannot end. There's a lot of things to like
36:14
Speaker 1: about him. His are you satisfied? So I will describe
36:20
Speaker 1: it this way. We have one quarterback that I'm not
36:26
Speaker 1: sure about that had a nice rookie season and has
36:29
Speaker 1: some things I like and some things I really question,
36:31
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he's the guy I don't know,
36:35
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not. They could grow into it, maybe maybe not.
36:40
Speaker 1: Or um did I leave this season saying he is
36:46
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback? I did not, Okay, So that's one
36:51
Speaker 1: of the guys in that room. The other guy. What
36:54
Speaker 1: I know about him and Nick Foles is that in
36:58
Speaker 1: his career he's never played six team games. He has
37:02
Speaker 1: two magnificent runs with small sample sizes at the back
37:07
Speaker 1: half of of seasons in playoff runs, one that led
37:11
Speaker 1: to a super Bowl championship. He was outstanding. Outside of that,
37:16
Speaker 1: he has been very inconsistent up and down, and he
37:21
Speaker 1: did not play well last year, was injured again, so
37:23
Speaker 1: continued not to be able to play sixteen games. So
37:26
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions there as well. Do
37:28
Speaker 1: I think Nick Foles is a quote unquote franchise quarterbacks
37:32
Speaker 1: that can take me to the Super Bowl? Well, he's
37:36
Speaker 1: done it in the backup role, but over a sixteen
37:39
Speaker 1: year of course of the season, he has not. So
37:41
Speaker 1: I got a lot of questions there too. Not saying
37:43
Speaker 1: you can't, but I don't know. And so that tells
37:46
Speaker 1: me I have a quarterback room that I'm unsure about,
37:50
Speaker 1: and it is the most important position in this game,
37:53
Speaker 1: and you have to have it right there. I'm not
37:56
Speaker 1: saying you have to have Patrick Mahomes, but you sure
37:58
Speaker 1: would like that because it's gonna give you the best
38:00
Speaker 1: consistently winning um. But you need a guy that is
38:05
Speaker 1: a bona fide starter, franchise guy that can win games.
38:09
Speaker 1: And so with all that said, if I'm in this draft,
38:13
Speaker 1: I'm evaluating the heck out of those quarterbacks. And if
38:16
Speaker 1: I am convinced after my scouting process and I have
38:19
Speaker 1: conviction and believe that one of those guys is a
38:24
Speaker 1: future top ten, top five type of player at the
38:29
Speaker 1: quarterback position, I am making a trade to go get
38:32
Speaker 1: him bonafide if I do that movie. If he's not,
38:41
Speaker 1: if I don't have that conviction, then I'm I'm gonna
38:44
Speaker 1: stick Pat and I'm gonna take my guys he's bona fide,
38:48
Speaker 1: or maybe the guy want Maybe it's Justin Herbert. I
38:51
Speaker 1: haven't done any work on any of these guys. Maybe
38:53
Speaker 1: it's Justin Herbert and I can pick him up. I
38:55
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't remember last end, the last training camp.
39:00
Speaker 1: There were questions we I think we talked about on
39:02
Speaker 1: these shows that there might be issues with mensh you
39:05
Speaker 1: might need to get another backup court and Gardner and
39:08
Speaker 1: and Nick Foles was ten times better than him, and
39:12
Speaker 1: training game and let's not forget what happens again. Hold on, now,
39:15
Speaker 1: it's not just people on this show, Jeff, you and
39:19
Speaker 1: I both know it was the people across the hallway too.
39:22
Speaker 1: There wasn't a consensus that Gardner meants you was the
39:26
Speaker 1: answer at backup quarterback? How many points did he score
39:29
Speaker 1: in the preseason? Zero or three or something? Was there
39:33
Speaker 1: not a lot of questions across the tons of question
39:37
Speaker 1: There was nobody tons of questions. When I say nobody,
39:39
Speaker 1: I met nobody that said, boy, we got a guy,
39:43
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. We said, we found a guy that
39:46
Speaker 1: you know has a chance to be a good backup.
39:49
Speaker 1: That's what we thought. That's exactly what the thought was
39:52
Speaker 1: at the end of trouble. The thought was that we
39:56
Speaker 1: might have gotten a good backup and we might have
39:58
Speaker 1: to get a bet for there's people who thought in
40:00
Speaker 1: this building we should get a veteran. So Garnmentshi was fabulous.
40:05
Speaker 1: But one of the things we gotta be really careful
40:08
Speaker 1: here because it happens too often we completely over value
40:12
Speaker 1: and over hype individuals way too quick here and maybe
40:18
Speaker 1: it happens other places. I'm just talking about here because
40:21
Speaker 1: you have a small sample size of success. Let's not
40:24
Speaker 1: anoint anybody something they're not, and that's not a shot Gardner.
40:29
Speaker 1: Gardner did what I actually he did more than I
40:33
Speaker 1: expected him to. I mean more, and and that's the danger.
40:36
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you have a perception of a guy, is
40:39
Speaker 1: you know, a I mean use a one through ten
40:42
Speaker 1: scale or put it this way. Our perception of Gardenmentsho
40:44
Speaker 1: would have been different if heels the first first round pick.
40:46
Speaker 1: Let's say this. If our perception of a guy coming
40:48
Speaker 1: into the season, he's a three out of ten, like
40:52
Speaker 1: you know, three, okay, four maybe, and then all of
40:56
Speaker 1: a sudden he plays at a seven. You're like, oh
41:00
Speaker 1: my gosh, he's amazing. But if you had a perception
41:05
Speaker 1: of a guy who's a nine or a ten and
41:09
Speaker 1: he plays down to an eight, not that good, but
41:14
Speaker 1: he's still better than this. My point is perception changes everything.
41:18
Speaker 1: Where are you start with a guy, and so you
41:19
Speaker 1: have to be so careful. It's a small sample size.
41:23
Speaker 1: Let this thing play out. Does Gardner Mintshew has qualities
41:26
Speaker 1: that I love, absolutely does he have qualities I really
41:29
Speaker 1: question absolutely, let it play out. He's a young player.
41:32
Speaker 1: I think it's way too early to think. I think
41:35
Speaker 1: it's way too early, Jeff to say we have an
41:37
Speaker 1: embarrassed to say we have an embarrassment of riches at quarterback.
41:40
Speaker 1: That's why when you say let it play it out,
41:42
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you go, let's just let it
41:44
Speaker 1: play out because we're okay, you go, We're gonna let
41:48
Speaker 1: it play out. But you know what, we don't know
41:50
Speaker 1: how it's gonna go, So we better find one and
41:53
Speaker 1: keep looking. Now, you might look at Joe Burrow and
41:58
Speaker 1: Herbert and whoever else is in the top to h
42:01
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, I'm not convinced these are
42:03
Speaker 1: the guys. And we have enough other holes in other places.
42:06
Speaker 1: We need to use that draft capital to build our roster.
42:08
Speaker 1: And there's a good class next year, and there's a
42:10
Speaker 1: really good class next year or whatever it is. And
42:12
Speaker 1: you know what, we see this guy who's probably gonna
42:14
Speaker 1: go into third round that it's not that he's really
42:17
Speaker 1: not that far off the guys that are going to
42:19
Speaker 1: go in the first round. And so what we'd rather
42:21
Speaker 1: take a little bit more risk with a guy in
42:24
Speaker 1: the third round because less draft capital, because we think
42:27
Speaker 1: he has the potential. Maybe that's what I'm saying. I mean,
42:31
Speaker 1: that's how you have to do it. But I mean
42:33
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42:40
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42:43
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42:47
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42:51
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42:53
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Speaker 1: down in South Florida. Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy ur J P. Shadwick,
47:18
Speaker 1: Jeff Logumant, Tony Basselli and great stuff for Calais. Believable honor.
47:23
Speaker 1: I'm proud of him. I mean, there's a great player.
47:25
Speaker 1: And we've we've had opportunity be a lot around a
47:28
Speaker 1: lot of great players and our playing careers, broadcasting careers
47:34
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47:36
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47:38
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47:48
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47:50
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47:53
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47:56
Speaker 1: Man of the Year award is about, is about not
47:58
Speaker 1: only a great player, but a great person and contributor
48:01
Speaker 1: to the community. And I don't know if you could
48:05
Speaker 1: ever have a better role model for young players in
48:08
Speaker 1: the National Football League. And congratulations to Klais, well deserved, awesome.
48:13
Speaker 1: I saw him giving a big hug on the field. Uh.
48:16
Speaker 1: Pregame at the Super Bowl and congratulate him so excited
48:19
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48:22
Speaker 1: And uh, Clais is a pro on the field, really good, great,
48:28
Speaker 1: great couple of a couple of seasons, a few seasons
48:30
Speaker 1: here now three years with the Jaguars, and had a
48:33
Speaker 1: very nice career in Arizona. But what he does off
48:36
Speaker 1: the field and who he is as a person probably
48:39
Speaker 1: means more to me. And he just handled himself the
48:42
Speaker 1: right way. And Jackson was lucky to have a guy
48:45
Speaker 1: like him in their community, and is how long will
48:48
Speaker 1: he be in the community. But before we get to that,
48:50
Speaker 1: just real quick, I mean, if people haven't had an
48:52
Speaker 1: opportunity to read about Calais's upgreen upbringing and to understand
48:57
Speaker 1: where he's come from, uh uh wow. I mean why
49:01
Speaker 1: you talk about a tough upbringing now truly tremendous to Colorado,
49:06
Speaker 1: another Colorado boy. For him to end up where he's
49:08
Speaker 1: had now the decision the greatest state, the greatest state
49:14
Speaker 1: in the Union, now the decision about his future, you
49:18
Speaker 1: gotta I mean, to my opinion, you find a way
49:20
Speaker 1: to keep a guy like that. And when you say
49:22
Speaker 1: find a way because he said something to the Pro
49:24
Speaker 1: Bowl that he doesn't think he needs to take a discount. Look,
49:28
Speaker 1: if he doesn't need, if he doesn't want to take
49:30
Speaker 1: a discount, I'm gonna find a way to make it
49:31
Speaker 1: work for one more year. Because but Jeff, I understand
49:36
Speaker 1: what you're saying, but the dollars and cents, you're over
49:40
Speaker 1: the cap right now. You have to get under the
49:44
Speaker 1: cap just to sign people for your draft. If nothing else,
49:48
Speaker 1: tell mum you can't take them, um. And that's what's
49:57
Speaker 1: apparently she's not listening. That's what my kids call my mom. Yeah,
50:02
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what they've called here. You know, here's
50:04
Speaker 1: how you do it. Don't finish and so you like
50:08
Speaker 1: you got you, I mean, you have to decide what
50:13
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it a lot of different places where
50:17
Speaker 1: where where where's a cut that can be made that's
50:19
Speaker 1: about equal money. I don't I think this is one
50:22
Speaker 1: of the most He's well, I mean Darius Si yeah, okay,
50:26
Speaker 1: but that's one. By the way you keep cutting all
50:30
Speaker 1: these guys, you're creating more holes to fill. And we
50:35
Speaker 1: talked about that last week, and and because Antonio made
50:39
Speaker 1: mention of this and that you know, Dave Caldwell was
50:41
Speaker 1: asked about or make comments about getting back into the
50:45
Speaker 1: Cap and it was I don't want to say it
50:46
Speaker 1: was nonchalant, but he felt very confident that, you know,
50:48
Speaker 1: they look, we can get another cap and be a player.
50:51
Speaker 1: And and I was gonna, WHOA, how do you know?
50:54
Speaker 1: That's tough decisions. And then if you're a player, then
50:57
Speaker 1: that means you gotta be a player because you gotta
51:00
Speaker 1: find somebody to take the place of the guys that
51:02
Speaker 1: you just like go so you can get into the cab.
51:05
Speaker 1: But I mean, my opinion, you gotta find a way
51:08
Speaker 1: to keep a guy like Klass and so you pay him.
51:13
Speaker 1: Think he's new nineteen this year? Is that right? J
51:17
Speaker 1: he's fifteen? It's like two and a half million, I
51:19
Speaker 1: think is uh is what is left in the in
51:23
Speaker 1: the pro raded signing bonus. And then I think he's
51:25
Speaker 1: pay out his fourteen or fifteen in real money some
51:29
Speaker 1: somewhere in that range. But here's the reality. Did he
51:32
Speaker 1: not play over the value of fifteen million a year?
51:36
Speaker 1: Not last year, but the two years prior to that. Absolutely,
51:40
Speaker 1: you know, So if you're trying to find a little
51:42
Speaker 1: bit of justification, for paying a guy like but for
51:48
Speaker 1: some people dollars and cents. For some people, they're like,
51:51
Speaker 1: we don't. And Jeff, you and I both have said
51:54
Speaker 1: in fairness like class players always feel different, united the same.
51:58
Speaker 1: We always think we have more in the tank than
52:00
Speaker 1: um we might. Plays is a guy that I think
52:04
Speaker 1: she'd be paying playing probably less naps than he did
52:08
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, absolutely, I totally agree with that. So
52:11
Speaker 1: with that, you're gonna have a part time player you're
52:12
Speaker 1: paying fifteen million plus. I get it. I want him
52:15
Speaker 1: on the team too because of who he is, if
52:17
Speaker 1: what he brings the locker room, his leadership is an
52:20
Speaker 1: impact player. He is going if if Josh Allen last year, yes, yes,
52:27
Speaker 1: if you had if you Okay, Josh Allen's a part
52:30
Speaker 1: time player and he shouldn't be. He needs to be
52:32
Speaker 1: a full time That's what this year and he will be,
52:35
Speaker 1: I'm sure. But that's the kind of role that you
52:37
Speaker 1: envisioned for Collaistions. But let me ask you this. With
52:41
Speaker 1: that role, Josh Allen had the numbers, he was impactful,
52:45
Speaker 1: and I think the impact plays might have better numbers
52:48
Speaker 1: if he played less snaps. What what is his number
52:51
Speaker 1: for next year? Seventeen and change and it's a million
52:55
Speaker 1: uh dead money. So find a way to go because
53:01
Speaker 1: here's the thing that with that decision, it's not like
53:03
Speaker 1: you're making that decision that's gonna hurt you and one
53:08
Speaker 1: and you know what, Hey, I gotta win right now. Okay,
53:13
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask is there ever gonna win right now?
53:16
Speaker 1: So you so you're saying cut I mean I mean
53:18
Speaker 1: like darkness is gone, right, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah,
53:21
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's probably he's definitely gone. A J
53:24
Speaker 1: Boyer gone. Okay, So that gets you that's a tough
53:28
Speaker 1: tough spot to film, Okay, but that gets you a
53:31
Speaker 1: probably you're probably thirty three under the cap with those two.
53:37
Speaker 1: We say you need it for the rookie class marquis okay, um, yeah,
53:51
Speaker 1: you get rid of normal. Yeah it's another hold of show.
53:56
Speaker 1: Look enough, okay, Now it's all because he says a
54:01
Speaker 1: lot of dead probably looking at how much? How much is?
54:08
Speaker 1: How much is the rookie class? Cast you what did
54:11
Speaker 1: we say number is? And I can't remember what it was,
54:16
Speaker 1: but you're still that that's a lot of money opening up? Yeah, well,
54:20
Speaker 1: I know, look more holes. Now you gotta be a
54:25
Speaker 1: player you're getting rid of free agency, just got rid
54:28
Speaker 1: of four starters on a team that was six or
54:32
Speaker 1: six one team last year. M yeah, so what are
54:40
Speaker 1: you saying. I'm saying it's tough. I agree. I mean,
54:44
Speaker 1: you got you got your point of your point of
54:46
Speaker 1: glass is fair. But the reality we're hoping he take
54:50
Speaker 1: a little bit of a discount. But I don't think
54:51
Speaker 1: here's the reality. You're you're creating more holes for a
54:56
Speaker 1: team that had six wins. But here's the reality, right,
55:01
Speaker 1: you also had six wins with those guys. That's a
55:03
Speaker 1: great point, very good point. So okay, yeah, it is
55:12
Speaker 1: you're right, right, right right? I mean you didn't win
55:15
Speaker 1: me again, what's the argument. There's no other argument. Let's
55:19
Speaker 1: go around the national football shall we. I mean, you've
55:24
Speaker 1: left a speechless That's how good of an argument. That was?
55:26
Speaker 1: All right, you left Tony speechless. That's it's the Kansas
55:31
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, for the first time in fifty years, win
55:35
Speaker 1: the Lombardi Trophy with a wild come back in the
55:38
Speaker 1: fourth quarter to win Super Bowl fifty four. Tony, you
55:41
Speaker 1: were there, Um, what a performance it was in that
55:44
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. So there's like seven minutes left it's third
55:46
Speaker 1: and fifteen, and I'm not making this step. We're talking
55:48
Speaker 1: in through the producer and everyone else, like what's forts
55:51
Speaker 1: were gonna grab because at that point the chiefs had
55:54
Speaker 1: done nothing at all and they were the pastors was
55:57
Speaker 1: killing mahomes. He was not having a good night. I mean,
56:00
Speaker 1: like offensive line for Kanpas City played terrible. Outside the
56:03
Speaker 1: right tackle most resources was really good. He was good,
56:08
Speaker 1: And so I was sitting there thinking, we started talking
56:10
Speaker 1: about who're gonna get? Was getting beat like a drum
56:14
Speaker 1: was getting beat like a drum if the doctor was
56:17
Speaker 1: getting beat. We're talking about like when are we gonna
56:19
Speaker 1: get Robert Solis is a historic defensive performance. I mean,
56:22
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and then the third and fifteen changed
56:25
Speaker 1: at all. And here's the thing. It's a post corner
56:28
Speaker 1: by three kills the number two receiver and it's a
56:31
Speaker 1: combination route that Robert saw. They worked on Friday and
56:35
Speaker 1: Saturday outside Number one runs a deep end. It's cover
56:39
Speaker 1: three post corner, and they made the call They're not
56:43
Speaker 1: gonna sit, They're not going to carry the deep end.
56:45
Speaker 1: They're gonna let it go in that corner has to
56:47
Speaker 1: get depth for the post. For the post corner. He
56:52
Speaker 1: bit on the dig in the post corner is wide open.
56:55
Speaker 1: Then he's sitting there just waiting on the ball. He's
56:58
Speaker 1: and so literally that play and they wrapped it, and
57:00
Speaker 1: they wrapped it, and they wrapped it. If they if
57:02
Speaker 1: the if the guy just doesn't take the cheese, take
57:07
Speaker 1: debate and chase that in. He's back there and now
57:11
Speaker 1: he may hit the dig, but it's not the big play.
57:15
Speaker 1: And boy, that changed everything. That in the call. You know,
57:20
Speaker 1: they score, it's a three point game. You're like, all right, here,
57:23
Speaker 1: come to non didn't do much well, But forget that.
57:25
Speaker 1: I agree with that. But the big thing is they
57:27
Speaker 1: run the ball with Mosart first and they get five
57:29
Speaker 1: yards and first down. It's second and five. This is
57:32
Speaker 1: the second best rushing team in the NFL. Again, Kyle,
57:35
Speaker 1: this is when I'm first down. Go run it again.
57:38
Speaker 1: Worst case scenario, your third and two, third and one,
57:41
Speaker 1: and and like you got the right where you want him,
57:44
Speaker 1: drop out the pack, pass into Kyle's defense. You guys
57:49
Speaker 1: wide open. He found him. Chris Jones went up and
57:53
Speaker 1: deflected the ball. He is wide open guy. Oh yeah,
57:57
Speaker 1: he did, he did. He missed. He missed the game
57:59
Speaker 1: winner to Manuel Sanders on the open is there's no
58:04
Speaker 1: safety Kittle a couple of times. Yeah, I mean Kiddle
58:09
Speaker 1: is one of those guys that you can just stare
58:10
Speaker 1: at him. He'll find a way to get on. So yeah,
58:13
Speaker 1: it was, but boy, I was it was a crazy game. Nuts.
58:16
Speaker 1: Should they pay mahomes s a p paying like as
58:19
Speaker 1: much as they want pay him now because it cost
58:22
Speaker 1: more next year, that's right. Price price tag just keeps
58:24
Speaker 1: going up paying him. But he was not very good
58:28
Speaker 1: at the beginning. Now he's getting harassed. He was not well. No,
58:31
Speaker 1: look he wasn't getting pressed. He was getting harassed some
58:34
Speaker 1: but not that much. He's getting harassed and the pressure
58:37
Speaker 1: got to him and he started throwing. He started the
58:40
Speaker 1: clock started taking. He was like, oh my gosh. And
58:44
Speaker 1: then you're going, wait a minute, what are you doing
58:46
Speaker 1: that time? Dude? Slow down? But it was great. But
58:51
Speaker 1: he overcame it. That's what he did. Great players five
58:55
Speaker 1: and oh in his career. Uh being down ten points
58:59
Speaker 1: in it's incredible. Congratulations to Andy Reid. Congratulations to Andy
59:06
Speaker 1: heck heck after you know what he said to me.
59:10
Speaker 1: You know he took thirty years years. Andy Hack, long
59:14
Speaker 1: time player National football League, played for Chicago Bears and
59:19
Speaker 1: uh coached here, coach a few other places, and he's
59:21
Speaker 1: been with Andy Reid for quite some Congratulations to Chad Henny.
59:27
Speaker 1: Football season is not over, by the way. The Seattle
59:29
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59:31
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59:34
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59:37
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59:39
Speaker 1: kicks off. Will you watch if I'm home Saturday or
59:44
Speaker 1: Sunday and it's on, I got nothing going on, I'll
59:46
Speaker 1: probably check it out. Great, Joe, guys. We'll talk to
59:48
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