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- 0:09SPEAKER_00: Hello and uh welcome to the podcast.
- 0:11SPEAKER_00: My name is Graeme Elliott, and um in this podcast, I've been wanting to do something like this for a little while.
- 0:17SPEAKER_00: So in recent podcasts, I have spoken about buying gear and the kind of things to think about.
- 0:23SPEAKER_00: This particular podcast is more aimed at you if you are, let's say, a mature person, maybe thinking about getting into photography.
- 0:31SPEAKER_00: It might be you're thinking about retiring or you find you've got more time on your hands.
- 0:35SPEAKER_00: And photography is a really, really good um thing to get into, not only as a creative outlet, but it's a great way of recording experiences with family, friends, all those kinds of things.
- 0:49SPEAKER_00: So photography is a great thing to be doing.
- 0:52SPEAKER_00: On the other hand, if you are fairly new to digital photography or you might have an old digital camera in a cupboard somewhere, it can also look very complicated and maybe a little bit overwhelming.
- 1:05SPEAKER_00: And that's what I really want to start with in this short series of podcasts where I'm going to talk about how you can move into photography.
- 1:15SPEAKER_00: So one of the great things is first of all, it's never too late to start.
- 1:20SPEAKER_00: Um one of the things I really like about photography, and if you compare that to say learning an instrument, is that for most of us, we can start producing results pretty much immediately.
- 1:36SPEAKER_00: And you can also make changes very easily that can show quite an improvement in your photography over a very short period of time.
- 1:46SPEAKER_00: So I have learned instruments, I still learn instruments, and um, it can be very frustrating because your body kind of has to like fingers and things like that, have to get used to being in certain positions and they don't always want to be in those positions.
- 2:01SPEAKER_00: Whereas with photography, it's pretty straightforward.
- 2:05SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna start in this episode to just talk about the things to think about if you are considering just taking up photography and just seeing how you go with it.
- 2:18SPEAKER_00: So one of the worst places to go for photography advice is the camera manufacturers' websites.
- 2:27SPEAKER_00: Um, I say that uh with a smile because all of these people want you to buy the latest stuff, they're gonna hit you with megapixels, the latest autofocus system, low light, all these kind of all these kind of things.
- 2:42SPEAKER_00: And the truth is at this stage, when you're just getting into photography, you don't want to get into all of that.
- 2:51SPEAKER_00: Because what's what's gonna happen is that they'll try and convince you that the highest spec camera is the best camera for you, and that's what I'm really interested in.
- 3:02SPEAKER_00: What's best for you, and obviously that tends to come with a nice big price tag, and of course, by selling new gear, um, they get to keep on going, which is lovely.
- 3:12SPEAKER_00: But the the bad news is that it can be very easy to spend a lot of money on some really cool camera equipment, and you're just not seeing the benefit, you're not seeing any real difference in what you're producing with the new expensive gear than what you're producing with what you've had sitting around for years.
- 3:31SPEAKER_00: So that's where we're going to start.
- 3:33SPEAKER_00: And um, you don't have to become an expert before you can enjoy photography.
- 3:40SPEAKER_00: This is the very first thing.
- 3:41SPEAKER_00: When you pick up your camera, the aim here is to just start enjoying what you're doing and be curious about the results you can get, and be curious about how you can get different results.
- 3:52SPEAKER_00: So, the very first thing is to think about the kind of photographs that you like to take.
- 4:00SPEAKER_00: Now, there might be the kind of photographs you're already taking, or it may be the kind of photographs that you aspire to.
- 4:08SPEAKER_00: So, it could be, for example, landscapes, travel, it could be friends and family, just everyday life, it could be wildlife, it could be birds, it could be flowers, it could be what's going on in your garden, it could be street photography, it could be astro.
- 4:25SPEAKER_00: The thing about photography is there are many kind of little genres, if you like, in there, little compartments you can get yourself into.
- 4:35SPEAKER_00: And I would say most of us who do a lot of photography generally pop between a few of them at least.
- 4:41SPEAKER_00: There might be one area where we tend to spend most of our time, but there are bound to be other areas where we kind of go in and dabble a little bit.
- 4:49SPEAKER_00: And if you're not doing that, I definitely recommend that you do because you by kind of cross-pollinating, if you think of it that way, we learn things in one environment, for example, landscapes that we can then apply to friends and family.
- 5:02SPEAKER_00: So, and that in turn allows us to start producing more interesting images.
- 5:08SPEAKER_00: What I mean by that is simply different to what we would have done without bouncing between the um the different types of photography.
- 5:17SPEAKER_00: So, the very first thing is to think about the kind of photography that you would like to be doing, but don't buy anything yet.
- 5:26SPEAKER_00: At some point, you're going to have to choose equipment that will support the kind of photography that you want to be getting involved in.
- 5:37SPEAKER_00: So, for example, with wildlife, um, it might be a telephoto lens or a camera that's able to zoom in.
- 5:43SPEAKER_00: If you are doing a lot of landscapes, then it might be a wide-angle lens of some sort that gives you a nice wide field of view.
- 5:52SPEAKER_00: So these are just starting points.
- 5:56SPEAKER_00: But the most important thing to remember at this stage is that the most important camera for you right now is whatever you're using, and if you don't have a dedicated camera, the chances are you've got a smartphone.
- 6:08SPEAKER_00: So just start off with that.
- 6:10SPEAKER_00: Now, depending on what you want to shoot, obviously, these there are going to be limitations.
- 6:16SPEAKER_00: That's uh you know, absolutely the case.
- 6:19SPEAKER_00: But what I always recommend, if you've listened to other pub podcasts I put out on um buying gear, I always recommend that people don't buy anything new until they're really, really clear where the shortcomings are in what they're currently using.
- 6:37SPEAKER_00: Because once you understand that, then you know exactly what kind of spec you need on the new gear, whether it's a new body, it's new lenses, or whatever it might be.
- 6:47SPEAKER_00: At this stage, if you're just getting into it, I'm gonna suggest you're not at that stage yet, and that's perfectly fine.
- 6:55SPEAKER_00: And the stage you're at is to just start getting used to it, just um taking photographs.
- 7:00SPEAKER_00: So things like smartphones are great, they're a really good way to just learn about light, composition, timing, and these are absolutely fundamental.
- 7:08SPEAKER_00: So, again, be wary of anybody talking about photography who dives straight into the equipment because with within some limitations, a good photographer will get a good photograph almost regardless of what kind of equipment he or she is being given to use.
- 7:27SPEAKER_00: So things like light, composition, and timing, I would say are more important than the gear that you're photographing on.
- 7:36SPEAKER_00: So once you start to get an understanding of those, and it doesn't have to be really in-depth at this stage, just very simple, but that's a great place to start.
- 7:45SPEAKER_00: If you have an existing camera, it might be an older DSLR, it could be a mirrorless camera or compact camera.
- 7:52SPEAKER_00: They again are great for learning on because if you have something like that, the chances are you've got auto, which is probably what you were using, but you've got other what we call modes where you can start to get a little bit deeper into things like shutter speed, depth of field, all that kind of thing.
- 8:09SPEAKER_00: And this is really good to understand, but you don't need to know it right away.
- 8:14SPEAKER_00: That's the the important thing to remember here.
- 8:17SPEAKER_00: And if you do have a dedicated camera or you're thinking of one, I definitely recommend that when you do start looking at a camera system, and I use that word deliberately, that you look at a camera body with exchangeable lenses, whether it's a mirrorless or a DSLR, to some extent it doesn't matter.
- 8:39SPEAKER_00: Um, the advantage you've got with mirrorless these days is that they tend to be the current cameras, so if you need to get them repaired or service that sort of thing, it's relatively easy.
- 8:49SPEAKER_00: If you are using an older DSLR, and I do, um, if I have in a um my sort of go-to setup, just serviced right now after a trip in the uh the desert.
- 9:02SPEAKER_00: Um, the issue I have there is that for some of my lenses, particularly, it's difficult to get parts for them if they need to be repaired.
- 9:09SPEAKER_00: So this is a downside of having older kit, but if you're just getting into photography, it probably doesn't matter at this stage.
- 9:18SPEAKER_00: So, what else do you need to think about?
- 9:20SPEAKER_00: Well, it's it's really just how comfortable is it to use?
- 9:24SPEAKER_00: Uh, is the camera fairly intuitive to use, or do you find yourself getting baffled by all the menus?
- 9:30SPEAKER_00: Um, how heavy is it?
- 9:32SPEAKER_00: Is it comfortable to use in terms of weight, in terms of where you might need to carry it, if you're likely to carry uh the gear?
- 9:39SPEAKER_00: Um, anything like that, just really, really basic things.
- 9:42SPEAKER_00: Make sure that you're comfortable with how to use it, that it doesn't take you don't have to think too much about what you're doing.
- 9:48SPEAKER_00: If you find you're having to constantly go back to the menu or the the handbook or whatever it might be, then maybe you need to look at a different um a different camera, something that you just find easier to use.
- 9:58SPEAKER_00: Because again, the truth is if we find something difficult to use, you've got to be very motivated to persevere with it.
- 10:05SPEAKER_00: And if you're just exploring photography with a with a view to maybe getting back into it, but you really can't get on with the camera you're using, then you're probably better served by maybe going to smartphone initially, just playing around with that, and then trying some other camera gear, maybe even used gear initially, so that you're not paying a lot of money uh for it.
- 10:27SPEAKER_00: Now, um, one of the great things about getting into photography, as I've said, is that you can get good very quickly.
- 10:38SPEAKER_00: And this means that if you're just open, if don't self-flagellate if you don't quite get the picture you were aiming for, but just be objective about it, look at it and look at where you're going wrong.
- 10:51SPEAKER_00: Is it the lighting?
- 10:52SPEAKER_00: Is it the focus?
- 10:53SPEAKER_00: Um, are things blurry and you wanted them sharp?
- 10:56SPEAKER_00: Um, are they sharp and you wanted them blurry?
- 10:59SPEAKER_00: You know, there's all these kind of things.
- 11:01SPEAKER_00: But once you start to become objective about what you're doing, and you're able to isolate what the issue is with with a particular image, you then know what the corrective action is, and then you can experiment with that.
- 11:16SPEAKER_00: So you can do this in the same day with digital photography.
- 11:20SPEAKER_00: You've got that advantage that you can see things immediately, and then you can um have a look at what went wrong.
- 11:26SPEAKER_00: So, very simple things you can do are just to change position, for example.
- 11:31SPEAKER_00: So, if you wanted to photograph a flower, take a photograph of the flower, move to one side, um, take it from there, change your height, maybe get low or get high.
- 11:41SPEAKER_00: Look at how you can simplify the background, maybe by changing position again.
- 11:45SPEAKER_00: If you understand how to change depth of field, what's in focus?
- 11:49SPEAKER_00: Start experimenting with that.
- 11:50SPEAKER_00: But start taking photographs and just comparing the results.
- 11:53SPEAKER_00: What do you like?
- 11:55SPEAKER_00: First of all, that do any of them stand out as being more interesting?
- 12:00SPEAKER_00: Um, are there any things you particularly dislike?
- 12:03SPEAKER_00: And is there anything in there that highlights an area where you need to be maybe understanding a little bit more?
- 12:11SPEAKER_00: So it could be that everything's in focus, but you really want to just isolate the flower and isolate the flower from the background, which points to depth of field.
- 12:20SPEAKER_00: So, on your list of things to start learning would be um how to achieve a good depth of field, how to control depth of field.
- 12:28SPEAKER_00: So, this is the way to approach it, and you can start making changes very, very quickly.
- 12:35SPEAKER_00: And these are very simple things you can do.
- 12:38SPEAKER_00: You can look for better light or different light, uh, you can look at ways of removing distractions from the background, so often that's just changing position.
- 12:46SPEAKER_00: Um, try different moments, take a photograph.
- 12:49SPEAKER_00: Maybe the lights are different, maybe um shadows are different.
- 12:53SPEAKER_00: If you are photographing an animal, it might be a pet, then just look at look at different moments and take photographs there.
- 13:03SPEAKER_00: So, for example, when when your animal's moving, is does it get distracted by something?
- 13:10SPEAKER_00: Does that give you a particular look?
- 13:12SPEAKER_00: Um, it might be it's like it's going to start hunting something, I don't know, you know.
- 13:17SPEAKER_00: But that these sort of things go on.
- 13:18SPEAKER_00: But look at the animal's behavior and start anticipating what you can shoot.
- 13:23SPEAKER_00: And these are very, very simple things to do, but they're absolutely fundamental as you start getting better in photography.
- 13:30SPEAKER_00: Really good photographers do this without thinking, but they've had to learn in most cases that um this is how you get good photographs.
- 13:38SPEAKER_00: So just treat every photographic outing as a learning experience, and maybe try making a small change in what you're photographing or how you're photographing it, and just look at the difference.
- 13:52SPEAKER_00: Some things will work, some things won't, and it's all good.
- 13:56SPEAKER_00: So, just to keep this episode really focused, um, I'm gonna talk about just five mistakes to avoid.
- 14:05SPEAKER_00: The first one is buying too much too soon.
- 14:07SPEAKER_00: So I really can't emphasize enough, just start with what you have and only add equipment when you recognize there's a genuine limitation to what you want to do.
- 14:16SPEAKER_00: So, look, it might be a tripod, for example.
- 14:18SPEAKER_00: If you want to do lower speed stuff, maybe you want to photograph rivers at um a very slow shutter speed.
- 14:24SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're gonna want a tripod for that.
- 14:26SPEAKER_00: If you want to get into astro, you're definitely gonna want a tripod for that.
- 14:30SPEAKER_00: So only buy things when they are solving a very specific problem and a problem that is like to be there long term.
- 14:38SPEAKER_00: So if you're being very experimental, I would suggest don't just avoid buying anything at this stage.
- 14:47SPEAKER_00: Um, the next thing is just simply this believing that expensive equipment guarantees better results, it absolutely doesn't.
- 14:55SPEAKER_00: Um the things that give you good results are things like observation, timing, composition, understanding lights.
- 15:02SPEAKER_00: These come through practice, they come through consciously looking at what's going on.
- 15:08SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter in most cases what camera you're shooting on.
- 15:13SPEAKER_00: The pixel count will have very little impact on for most people.
- 15:17SPEAKER_00: Um, all of these other features that the camera has, so autofocus tracking, image stabilization, all those kind of things for most people, in most circumstances, they are pretty much irrelevant.
- 15:31SPEAKER_00: So don't buy a load of expensive gear, and when you do become clearer about what you want, just buy what you need, don't go out there and buy some really expensive thing with you know 50 megapixels because you the chances are you're not going to use them.
- 15:48SPEAKER_00: Now, I have spoken about all of this in another podcast.
- 15:50SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to deep dive into that for you now.
- 15:53SPEAKER_00: Um, if you do want to take a photo course, I definitely recommend that.
- 15:56SPEAKER_00: Um, I have an online course myself, and in that one, I go into everything, all of that detail, so that you understand why I'm saying what I'm saying.
- 16:05SPEAKER_00: Uh, another mistake is chasing specifications again.
- 16:09SPEAKER_00: So, this would be things like megapixels, uh burst rates, all that kind of stuff.
- 16:13SPEAKER_00: If you don't understand why you would want a high burst rate, then you don't need it.
- 16:17SPEAKER_00: Okay.
- 16:17SPEAKER_00: Um, so don't chase specs.
- 16:20SPEAKER_00: Um people like to follow other photographers' recommendations, but blindly.
- 16:26SPEAKER_00: Uh, so again, don't do that.
- 16:28SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, as photographers, we I would say most of us who are serious about this, we buy the kit that we use because we understand what it's going to deliver, and that ties in with the kind of photography we do, which might be the you know, broadly speaking, wildlife or landscapes, whatever.
- 16:47SPEAKER_00: Um, but also the situation we're in.
- 16:48SPEAKER_00: So, for example, if you're doing a lot of studio work, that will likely take you down a different path when it comes to buying a particular camera and particular gear to somebody who's shooting wildlife in the field that points you in a different direction.
- 17:04SPEAKER_00: So you might well have photographers that whose work you really admire and you'd love to shoot that way.
- 17:11SPEAKER_00: But I again strongly recommend not buying anything until you're really, really clear about what that is going to do for you.
- 17:19SPEAKER_00: Uh, because the chances are you'll buy something different for all sorts of reasons.
- 17:22SPEAKER_00: It may even be you just don't like the way the camera they're using handles, you just don't like the way to use it.
- 17:28SPEAKER_00: You feel more comfortable with a different brand.
- 17:30SPEAKER_00: That's all great.
- 17:32SPEAKER_00: And the other item of these five, I guess, is don't wait until you understand everything before taking photographs, just take photographs.
- 17:43SPEAKER_00: So, practice work in auto mode, that's fine.
- 17:46SPEAKER_00: Um, as you begin to step out of that, hopefully, you'll get uh maybe do a little course to help you, but that should give you practical exercises to do so that you really start to understand um what different aperture settings do for you, what different shutter speed settings do for you, so that very quickly that will become second nature, it'll become quite obvious.
- 18:07SPEAKER_00: So don't wait until you understand everything before taking photographs.
- 18:11SPEAKER_00: Another caveat to that is on the post-processing, because I mean, let's face it, post-processing is a part of digital photography these days, so everything I put out I post-processed, but don't wait until you understand Photoshop, for example, or Lightroom, um, because it's pretty awful.
- 18:34SPEAKER_00: When you if you don't know that software, when you first open it up, you've got a whole load of sliders and little graphs and all these other things that probably mean pretty much nothing to you, and it's all very overwhelming and intimidating.
- 18:48SPEAKER_00: So don't go there.
- 18:50SPEAKER_00: Um, I do recommend that you shoot in RAW, but if you can shoot in RAW and JPEG, um, raw is gonna look a good RAW image, it looks very, very flat and uninteresting, but that it does give you a lot of um options when it comes to post processing.
- 19:06SPEAKER_00: But if you're just starting out, a JPEG is probably where you want to be.
- 19:09SPEAKER_00: So it's a compressed file, it's more limited in what you can do with it in post, but it looks like a nice photograph on your camera.
- 19:15SPEAKER_00: And if you're just gonna pop it on Facebook or Instagram, somewhere like that, on social media, that's all you need.
- 19:21SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
- 19:22SPEAKER_00: So don't get overwhelmed by all of the detailed stuff, just get out there and start to learn how the equipment works for you and the the important things when you start to recognize the limitations.
- 19:38SPEAKER_00: So I've got a very simple suggestion for your first 30 days, and um so the first week days uh one to seven, just get comfortable, just learn how to take, how to review, how to as in look at the photograph when you've taken it on the back of the camera and say photographs.
- 20:02SPEAKER_00: That's all you need to know for now.
- 20:04SPEAKER_00: So first week, just go out, practice different things.
- 20:06SPEAKER_00: If you've got a zoom lens, just play around with that.
- 20:09SPEAKER_00: Um, if you're using your smartphone, that's fine, just try different angles, different viewpoints, that sort of thing.
- 20:15SPEAKER_00: But just practice taking photographs, that's all you need to do.
- 20:18SPEAKER_00: In your second week, start becoming more aware of light and composition, and you can do this by photographing familiar subjects from different angles, different lighting situations.
- 20:32SPEAKER_00: So, a good way of doing that is just to put a subject up near a window and just shoot it from different angles, maybe with the window behind the subject from your perspective, so it's acting as a backlight.
- 20:42SPEAKER_00: What happens there?
- 20:43SPEAKER_00: Um, from maybe the same side as the window, so that you're using that window to it's like a frontal illumination, and then what happens at the sides?
- 20:54SPEAKER_00: So it's it's just about experimenting, it's just about playing what happens with composition.
- 20:58SPEAKER_00: Try rule of thirds.
- 21:00SPEAKER_00: I've got plenty of stuff on that.
- 21:01SPEAKER_00: I've got free stuff on the website that you can look at to just help you with these things.
- 21:07SPEAKER_00: Week three, begin to experiment with your camera.
- 21:09SPEAKER_00: So just change one camera setting or one compositional element at a time and just look at the results.
- 21:15SPEAKER_00: So I'd I definitely recommend starting to get into camera settings.
- 21:20SPEAKER_00: It's much easier if you are completely new to this to have someone guide you.
- 21:25SPEAKER_00: Um so you may have access to um uh uh like a tutor maybe nearby where you live uh that you can go on a course with or do an online course.
- 21:35SPEAKER_00: As I say, I've got courses if you like my way of teaching things.
- 21:39SPEAKER_00: Um, but do use guided um use a guided process at this point.
- 21:45SPEAKER_00: And week four is just review your process.
- 21:48SPEAKER_00: Look at uh five photographs that you like and three you'd like to improve, and just identify what you've learned and what you want to practice next.
- 21:56SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't have to be really heavy.
- 21:59SPEAKER_00: Uh keep it very simple um initially because you really want to be enjoying it.
- 22:03SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is the whole point.
- 22:04SPEAKER_00: If you you don't want to make this um a task to do, you don't Don't want it to make it feel like work.
- 22:11SPEAKER_00: Just get in, just start practicing, just start using the gear.
- 22:15SPEAKER_00: So what I do encourage you to do is to just begin with whatever it is you have and enjoy the immediate feedback that photography provides.
- 22:26SPEAKER_00: And this is one of the nice things that you do get that feedback instantly.
- 22:30SPEAKER_00: And this really does help your skills to develop naturally and also much faster than if you were maybe learning something else.
- 22:37SPEAKER_00: And certainly when I learned photography, because I was doing it in the days of film, I'd have to take photographs, I'd leave them to get processed when I first started doing it, and um, I'd have a notebook with all my camera settings in because we didn't have auto mode, so we had to sort of work things out.
- 22:54SPEAKER_00: Um, but learn that way, and it was much slower these days.
- 22:57SPEAKER_00: You've got everything you need, so you know, experiment with manual, play around a bit.
- 23:02SPEAKER_00: Um, so don't judge your progress by how much technical information you've memorized, judge it by whether you're starting to take photographs you prefer.
- 23:12SPEAKER_00: So if you start experimenting and just observing different things, hopefully you'll begin to notice that there are certain things you can do with a camera and they give you results that you really enjoy.
- 23:24SPEAKER_00: Um, you might see a difference in a single afternoon, it might take a month, it doesn't really matter because sometimes small improvements take a little while to add up, and then you suddenly look at a photograph you've just taken and a similar one you took a month ago, and you realize you've learned quite a lot.
- 23:41SPEAKER_00: Definitely don't worry about mastering editing, that's something down the track.
- 23:45SPEAKER_00: Um, you don't need to understand every camera setting or by another lens or anything that before you can enjoy photography, just by learning from what you can see.
- 23:56SPEAKER_00: That is the most powerful skill that you have as a photographer, it's to actually observe and see what's there.
- 24:03SPEAKER_00: So, this is always about learning that there's something new to discover.
- 24:06SPEAKER_00: That I think is one of the fun things of photography.
- 24:09SPEAKER_00: You're not going to go through a month knowing nothing, and then at the end of it, know everything.
- 24:13SPEAKER_00: I've been doing this for a long time now.
- 24:16SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, half a century, and um, I'm still learning things.
- 24:20SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that to me is the joy of it.
- 24:22SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's always something new to learn.
- 24:24SPEAKER_00: So it's like it's green and growing, you know.
- 24:26SPEAKER_00: There's that old saying, green and growing, all ripe and rotting.
- 24:29SPEAKER_00: So, this is one of the things I love about photography.
- 24:32SPEAKER_00: You're always green and growing, there's always something new.
- 24:35SPEAKER_00: So, um, yeah, have a look at the guides that I have.
- 24:39SPEAKER_00: Um, so you can jump onto the website www.ge.photography.
- 24:45SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think under education there's a free download, 10 tips.
- 24:49SPEAKER_00: Um, also have a look at the courses.
- 24:51SPEAKER_00: So there's a full course discovering DSLR and mirrorless photography that is completely structured.
- 24:56SPEAKER_00: There's a handbook, there's videos, uh, guided tasks, everything.
- 25:00SPEAKER_00: You can do that at your own speed, as fast or as slow as you like.
- 25:03SPEAKER_00: There are other courses on there as well.
- 25:06SPEAKER_00: And um what we're going to do next time is look at how your camera makes decisions about exposure and focus.
- 25:15SPEAKER_00: And what I want to do in that is help you to understand just a few basic principles that you can that can help you to get the photographs that you want, and that's obviously what we're aiming for with all of this.
- 25:28SPEAKER_00: So, I hope you found that useful.
- 25:31SPEAKER_00: Please um dust off that camera, maybe recharge it, make sure there's a memory card in there, and um, or even some film, and um have a bit of fun.
- 25:40SPEAKER_00: Just experiment, just just shoot whatever's around you and see what you can see.
- 25:44SPEAKER_00: That's it from me.
- 25:45SPEAKER_00: I'll speak to you again on Friday.
- 25:47SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.