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Ep 35: Understanding Progestogens in Menopause Hormone Therapy · Clearly Hormonal

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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Welcome to Reset Recharge, the podcast where women's health takes center stage.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: I'm your host, Dr.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Komal Patil-Sisodia, a triple board certified endocrinologist and women's health expert.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Hi everyone.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Welcome back to Reset Recharge.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Today we are going to talk about a class of hormones that is one of the most important pieces of menopause, hormone therapy, and also one of the most confusing progestogen.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: And here's what I want you to feel by the end of the episode, I want you to be clear on the vocabulary, on why Progestogen matter, on what kinds exist and how they're used differently for different people.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: This is about understanding the tools in the toolbox so you and your clinician can make choices that are actually aligned with your body and your risk profile.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: I wanted to start with the basic, why do we even need progesterone?
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: This question comes up a lot in my clinic.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: In menopause hormone therapy, MHT Estrogen will often take center stage because estrogen is the hormone that is most linked to classic symptoms like hot flashes, night sweats, sleep disruption, vaginal dryness, mood shifts, brain fog, joint aches, and that"my body feels unfamiliar" feeling.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Estrogen helps a lot of people feel like themselves again.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: But estrogen has a very specific effect on one part of our body that we have to pay attention to, and that's the uterus.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: If you still have your uterus, meaning you haven't had a hysterectomy, estrogen alone can stimulate the uterine lining called the endometrium to keep growing.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Think of estrogen as a signal preparing your uterine lining for a potential pregnancy, and when you are not pregnant, it sheds in a menstrual cycle, but in menopause, without ovulation and without enough progesterone to balance it, that lining can become too thick.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Over time, unopposed estrogen will raise the risk of endometrial hyperplasia and potentially endometrial cancer.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: A lot of women ask me if they've had a uterine ablation, whether this risk still holds true.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Yes, because you still have your uterus intact.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: So if you still have your uterus and you're taking systemic estrogen, you need endometrial protection.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: And that's what progestogen do.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: They come in and help stabilize and.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Safely shed the lining.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The easiest way to remember this is that estrogen is for symptom relief and progestogen is a uterine safety net.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: But I do have a lot of women who have improvement in their symptoms on, progestogen alone.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: For a long time we told women that if you don't have a uterus, you don't need a progestogen.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: And I think we are finding that is not always necessarily the case.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Before we dive in, I want to make sure that we sort out all of the different names that Progestogen are called.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: There is progesterone, progestin, progestogen.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: These are all terms you may have heard and sometimes we use them interchangeably, but that's not always correct.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It's important to understand the difference, and once you do it makes it kind of easy to understand.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Progesterone is a natural hormone that your body makes.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It's produced mostly after ovulation when you are still having menstrual cycles, and it helps balance estrogen in the menstrual cycle.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: A progestin is a synthetic lab made version designed to act like progesterone in the body, but can have some different effects as well.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It will attach to progesterone receptors, and protects the endometrium but because it's structurally different, it can have different side effects and risk patterns.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It's most commonly used in birth control pills, but also used for menopause hormone therapy.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Progestogen is an umbrella term.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It means any compound that activates progesterone receptors.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: So that is progesterone, which is the natural, or progestin, which is the synthetic.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Now that the language is clear, let's talk about what's actually used clinically.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: There are two main groups of progestogen and menopause hormone therapy.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The first one is micronized progesterone.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: This is bioidentical progesterone, and if you've listened to this podcast before, you know that I hate the term bioidentical because it is a marketing term.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It just means that it is chemically identical to what your body naturally makes, micronized means it's.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Been processed into smaller particles so that your body can absorb it.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It's often preferred because it tends to have a better side effect profile in terms of breast cancer risk and cardiovascular health compared to a lot of the synthetic options.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The synthetic progestins are also very effective for endometrial protection, but they vary more in how they behave because their chemical structures are different than what your body makes.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The main types that we use here in the United States, for menopause hormone therapy are medroxyprogesterone acetate, norethindrone acetate, levonorgestrel, And drosperinone.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Outside of the United States.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: You can also get two additional progestogens called Dydrogesterone and trimegestone.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: This list matters when someone says progestin and doesn't tell you which one.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The important thing to know about all of these different progestins is that they will have different effects on things like breast cancer risk, blood clot risk, metabolic health, and cardiovascular health.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: And that's why you'll hear a lot of clinicians say that not all progestogen are equal, and they aren't.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: And that's based purely on the chemistry.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: So let's talk a little bit about how you take Progestogen.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: They can be taken in several different ways.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Oral, which means by a pill can be taken either daily or two weeks out of the month.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Transdermal means absorbed through the skin often as a patch or a gel preparation In my opinion, these don't work quite as well as the other roots.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: You have vaginal, where you can have either local or systemic absorption depending on the dose in the formulation.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: And then intrauterine, and this is most commonly known as the levono gestural IUD, which is local progestin therapy to the uterus.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: To help break down the uterine lining and it gives very strong protection of the uterus and can minimize whole body exposure of having to take a progestogen for most women.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: If somebody is having trouble tolerating, Progestogen by mouth or has risk factors that make systemic exposure less appealing, the IUD can be a smart alternative.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: So let's talk a little bit about how you take these.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: we talk about either taking hormone therapy continuous, or what we call sequential.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: A continuous regimen is where a progestogen is taken every day alongside estrogen.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The pros are that you get more consistent protection of your uterine lining.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It can often lead to no withdrawal bleeding.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Once you get adjusted and are on the right dose and can feel simpler to manage this regimen is most common for post-menopausal women or anybody who wants to avoid having a period and bleeding.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The next on the list is what we call sequential or, cyclic regimen, and this is where progestogen are taken for part of the month, often 10 to 14 days within a 28 day cycle.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The pros of this is that it mimics the rhythm of a natural menstrual cycle.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It can be easier to do it this way in early perimenopause where the bleeding is already irregular and some women feel better emotionally or physically on a cyclic pattern compared to continuous.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It takes a little bit of trial and error to figure out what's right for you.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Another way to think about it is by perimenopause versus post menopause.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: In early perimenopause, your ovaries are still fluctuating in their function, and the cyclic regimens are often a better fit because your body is still doing some cycling.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: In post menopause.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The ovaries have pretty much quieted down and the continuous regimens are often preferred because they reduce withdrawal bleeding and keep the protection of the uterine lining steady.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: A lot of this depends on patient preference, what their cycles and bleeding patterns are like, and how they tolerate the progestogen they're taking.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: So how do you choose a progestogen?
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Let's talk a little bit about the decision process.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: There's no universal best progestogen.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: There's only best for you.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: And so when you're choosing a progestogen with your.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Clinician, it's important to talk about the status of your uterus, whether you have one or not.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Whether you've gone through a uterine ablation, what your bleeding cycle is like.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Your symptom profile, your personal and family history, your risk factors, and how well you tolerate something.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Some people will prioritize sleep support, mood stability, minimal breast tenderness, minimal bleeding, cardiovascular safety or clot reduction, and because different progestogen behave differently, clinicians will tailor these choices.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Your right option might change over time from perimenopause to post menopause.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: It's not going to be a very stable landscape for everybody.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Next.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: I want to transition to clearing up a few myths that I hear constantly about progestogens.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Myth number one is if it says progesterone, it's all the same.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: A progestogen is a category and there are multiple types, structures, and effects.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Myth number two is that progestogen are just an annoying add-on.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Actually, they are critical for safety.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: If you have a uterus, you have to be taking this to prevent endometrial cancer and they're doing important protective work.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Myth number three, if I feel bad on one progestogen, I'll feel bad on all of them.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: This is not necessarily true, and sometimes changing the type, the dose or the route can make a world of difference for you.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: So let's talk about a simplified example.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: This is just a way to picture how you would tailor a regimen to somebody.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Imagine there are two women both in their early fifties, so we'll say 52, both using estrogen for hot flashes.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The first woman has a uterus.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: She prefers not to have any bleeding.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: She has some cardiovascular risk factors, and a clinician might lean towards something like micronized progesterone in a continuous regimen because it gives steady protection and has a better safety profile.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: If you think about the second woman in my example, she is an early perimenopause.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: She's still occasionally having cycles and is bothered by the irregular bleeding already.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: She might do better on the sequential regimen where she takes the progesterone for the first half of her cycle.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: And if that doesn't work well for her, even considering a levonorgestrel IUD for local control.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Up to 21% of women can stop having their periods with the levonorgestrel IUD.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: For both women, it's The same goal for protection, but just a completely different landscape for how menopause is playing out in their bodies.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: So let's pull this all together.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Here's your recap.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Number one, progestogen are required with estrogen therapy if you have a uterus to prevent endometrial overgrowth and decrease endometrial cancer risk.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Number two, progesterone is chemically identical to what your body makes.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Progestins are synthetic and different, and progestogen means both all under one umbrella number three.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The main progestogen used in menopause hormone therapy are micronized, progesterone, and synthetic progestins.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Number four, they can be taken orally, transdermally vaginally, or via IUD.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Number five, continuous regimens give consistent protection and usually avoid withdrawal bleeding.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Sequential regimens will mimic natural cycling and may fit better in early perimenopause.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: And lastly number six, your choice is individualized based on symptoms, risk factors, and preference.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: So if you've been handed a prescription and told, here's your progesterone with no other context, I hope today I gave you language and clarity.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: You deserve to understand what's going into your body and why.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: If this episode helped, share it with someone who needs it and bring these terms to your next appointment.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: The quality of your care often rises with the quality of your questions.
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  Dr. Komal Patil-Sisodia: Next week on Reset Recharge, we'll keep talking about hormone therapy, literacy, and practical, evidence-based information Thank you all for tuning in and I hope I'll see you all on the next episode.