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How much does women’s comfort cost the army? | HBR Talk 354 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three fifty four. How
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Speaker 1: much does a woman's comfort cost in the Army? I'm
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Speaker 1: your host Tannah Wallen here with Nonsense Annilator Lauren Brooks
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Speaker 1: and the personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson. And if he
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Speaker 1: decides to chime in, we have our own Honey Honey
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Speaker 1: Badger Radio's Doves Brian Martinez.
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Speaker 2: But he was the doage before the doge was cool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, see, he was the doge before the it was cool.
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Speaker 1: Somewhere some g dog from Ici. I believe twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 1: it might have been twenty eighteen when we were in London.
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Speaker 1: I have a picture of the doze with a doze.
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Speaker 1: It's not from the best angle, but it's there. But
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Speaker 1: in any case, we are returning this week to our
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Speaker 1: slog through feminist federal funding with a visit to the
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Speaker 1: Department of Defense for some more information of sexual assault
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Speaker 1: in the military. And uh, you know this, this is
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Speaker 1: one we were talking about the title today before the
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Speaker 1: show because I didn't just want to repeat the same
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Speaker 1: title as last week. But we are still talking about
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Speaker 1: the same subject because there's there's a lot to go through.
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Speaker 1: Even though I only chose two companies to look at,
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Speaker 1: and there's as you can see on this page, there's
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Speaker 1: a buttload of companies that provide various things to the
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Speaker 1: military related to this. But some of the some of
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Speaker 1: the really stupid stuff is uh, is at the cheaper
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Speaker 1: end where they're they're paying for videos and services and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that. And so I picked two of those
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Speaker 1: this time because I believe we've looked at some of
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Speaker 1: this other stuff previously, and uh, there's there's quite a
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Speaker 1: bit of it. And these are just the contracts. There's
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Speaker 1: also grants and that that have been made available. But
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Speaker 1: as you can see, there are this list just goes
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Speaker 1: on and on and on, the military paying independent contractors
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Speaker 1: for various services, personnel, products that are used to assist
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Speaker 1: with and so on their whole system addressing sexual misconduct
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Speaker 1: in the military. So this is kind of like the
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Speaker 1: military's human resources department. But before we get into all
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Speaker 1: we go. So I was in the wrong channel on
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Speaker 1: the right computer or the right channel on the wrong
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Speaker 1: computer or something. There we go. So this this extensive list.
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Speaker 1: You'll notice as we get let me get back down
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Speaker 1: to the bottom here. This goes on forever, I swear,
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Speaker 1: There we go. This is not the end of the list,
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Speaker 1: by the way, you can see if I scroll up here,
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Speaker 1: it's got pages and pages, and I'm at one hundred
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Speaker 1: rows per page, and it has eight pages of companies
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Speaker 1: that are getting paid this The last thing on this
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Speaker 1: page is twenty eight thousand, right, So we're looking at
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Speaker 1: different amounts here going up to at the top of
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Speaker 1: the page, twenty eight million, almost twenty nine million. And
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Speaker 1: as we get down here closer to the bottom of
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Speaker 1: the page, you can sort of see the actual award
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Speaker 1: descriptions here vary from professional services to the defense, human
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Speaker 1: resources activities, sexual assault. Let's see if what it goes
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Speaker 1: on to Prevention and Response Office SAPRO down to there's
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Speaker 1: a sexual assault Prevention training, integrated resilience training and support
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Speaker 1: for the prevention of cyber harassment, and technology facilitated sexual
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Speaker 1: harassment and sexual assault so if you get raped online,
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Speaker 1: apparently the army has somebody to help you with that,
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Speaker 1: if you are happened to be a soldier who gets
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Speaker 1: raped online or something like that. But yeah, so I
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Speaker 1: decided I wanted to look at I looked at the
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Speaker 1: name of this company, and I thought, given what catharsis is,
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Speaker 1: you know this, this release of extreme release of pent
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Speaker 1: up emotions, pent up stress, and so on, what the
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Speaker 1: what the heck kind of thing are they producing? And
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Speaker 1: if you look at how much they've gotten paid over time,
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Speaker 1: their total awarded amount here is twenty or two hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty thousand plus some change. And so they must
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Speaker 1: be really, really great, right, They must be doing something
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Speaker 1: absolutely marvelous. So I looked on their page, and this
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Speaker 1: is what we have. I think we kind of went
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Speaker 1: over this a little bit. We looked here a little
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Speaker 1: bit the last time. And as you can see, I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure Mike and Lauren are you watching
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Speaker 1: my live stream?
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Speaker 2: In the discord, military sexual violence prevention is a mission
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Speaker 2: readiness issue.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yep, okay.
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Speaker 2: Just something about cyber rape again.
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Speaker 1: It might be it appears to be general sexual misconduct prevention,
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Speaker 1: but their whole thing includes remember we went over a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, maybe it was last week we
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Speaker 1: finished it up. There was an article lamenting that the
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Speaker 1: sexual assault Prevention Program had been just destroyed, ransacked by
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Speaker 1: the Trump administration's ban on DEI, And well, DEI doesn't
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Speaker 1: have anything to do with sexual violence prevention, right, Sexual
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Speaker 1: violence is criminal activity, and so if they're trying to
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Speaker 1: prevent criminal activity, you really don't need to focus on
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Speaker 1: anything to do with race, gender, sexual ortation. It's just boundaries,
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Speaker 1: consent and refusal and you know, not being aggressive. Things
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Speaker 1: that are pretty normal to discuss, regardless of the person's characteristics.
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Speaker 1: But apparently that's that's not the case with this military training.
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Speaker 1: So I went through this and yeah, it the services
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Speaker 1: that they provide are kind of interesting here.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Over the last decade, few topics have received more attention
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Speaker 1: in the US military than sexual violence. That alone. Think
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Speaker 1: of what that sentence means.
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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be an issue. If everyone is trained to
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Speaker 2: the point of being a human killing machine, you shouldn't
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Speaker 2: have to worry about them raping each other. They should
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Speaker 2: be they should be able to defend each other from rape,
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Speaker 2: and they shouldn't be all that interested in raping each other.
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Speaker 2: And that would be the case if they were actually
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Speaker 2: segregated like they're supposed to be in the military, they
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Speaker 2: used to be one, would it seem so?
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it just the thing that gets me about
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Speaker 1: this is so over the last decade, the United States
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Speaker 1: has been involved in multiple military conflicts on multiple fronts,
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Speaker 1: in multiple countries at different times. Right we've been We've
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Speaker 1: faced enemies that we designated terrorists. We bombed places, we
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Speaker 1: bombed the shit out of some places to remind everybody
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Speaker 1: of the way that it was described. We've had the
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Speaker 1: military at times sent to our border. We've had people
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Speaker 1: shipped overseas to fight, We've had people trained overseas in
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Speaker 1: preparation for fighting. We've had people on other countries' borders
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Speaker 1: because of tensions between countries. But few topics have received
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Speaker 1: more attention in the United States military than sexual violence.
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Speaker 1: Like not pretending death in battle, not the weapons systems,
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Speaker 1: not training, not who the enemy is and how to
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Speaker 1: understand them and how to kill them, but sexual violence,
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Speaker 1: Like I'm not quite sure I understand why.
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Speaker 2: It's won't somebody think of the women's it's always won't
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Speaker 2: somebody please think of the women's and that's just how
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Speaker 2: it manifests itself, and in this particular description right, never
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Speaker 2: mind defending the country with all the might that can
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Speaker 2: be mustered. Just please don't write many of the women's
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Speaker 2: right what womans?
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, if you are new to our audience, you should
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Speaker 1: look up a documentary called The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan
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Speaker 1: just for comparison. Our military was there too, so and
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Speaker 1: our military had specific orders on how to handle that situation,
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Speaker 1: or rather, how to not handle that situation. So it
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Speaker 1: goes on. Whether it's a film, documentary, Department of Defense
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Speaker 1: annual report, or simply another news article. Preventing sexual harassment
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Speaker 1: and assault is on everyone's agenda, and so they're what
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Speaker 1: they're doing. What their site says here is we produce innovative, accessible,
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Speaker 1: and research supported programming that shifts behavior and delivers results.
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Speaker 1: It sounds very professional, doesn't it. Since two thousand, we
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Speaker 1: have developed and delivered live web based prevention education programming
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Speaker 1: for military audience audiences, conducting over eleven thousand, two hundred
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Speaker 1: training trainings for Department of Defense personnel. Can't this image
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Speaker 1: be blue and the text be white? Is just killing
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Speaker 1: me my eyes? Sorry, guys, reaching an estimated two point
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Speaker 1: two million service members. And they go on to describe
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Speaker 1: their their values and their mission and everything, and it's,
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Speaker 1: like I said, it sounds very professional. They list off
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Speaker 1: the organizations that trust them and it's all these the
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Speaker 1: military organizations. We also have the US Department of Agriculture
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Speaker 1: in case your cattle are sexually harassing each other. I
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Speaker 1: guess the.
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Speaker 2: Military has existed for a bloody long time, right, Like,
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Speaker 2: none of us are in favor of war, but it
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Speaker 2: has to be said, war has been a fixture of
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Speaker 2: human interaction for a bloody long time. We're talking tens
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Speaker 2: of thousands of years, and sexual harassment among among military
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Speaker 2: personnel has never been an issue for that entire time,
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Speaker 2: right back to the to the ancient Greeks, who were
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Speaker 2: known for being quite rapey. Even even the men and
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Speaker 2: boys used to rape each other. But it wasn't a
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Speaker 2: problem in the army. It wasn't a problem in the military.
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Speaker 2: They kind of loved me, well, yes, very much so
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Speaker 2: until very recently. And like I say, even in the
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Speaker 2: case of the Greeks, they loved each other in what
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Speaker 2: might be called romantic ways, even though that was named
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Speaker 2: after the Romans. I guess even the Romans loved each
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Speaker 2: other in romantic ways, but it was in those days
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Speaker 2: it was it was, it was less rendered in romantic
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Speaker 2: ways and more rendered in stoicate ways or in philic ways.
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Speaker 2: They even if even if the male soldiers were fucking
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Speaker 2: each other, it it it actually made them stronger because
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Speaker 2: they were all in it together. Even even the male
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Speaker 2: soldiers in the Greek armies who were fucking each other,
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Speaker 2: they it only spurred them on two to be even.
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Speaker 1: A more unified, more.
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Speaker 2: Unified in the in their defense of each other as equals.
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Speaker 2: But it's not the same if you throw men and
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Speaker 2: women together, because they can be in love which with
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Speaker 2: which with each other in ways are not necessarily equal.
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Speaker 2: This has always been known because because men fall apart
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Speaker 2: in these in these disgusting, simping ways, when women are
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Speaker 2: put there in ways, they don't. When they just love
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Speaker 2: each other as men, in what have ways, they happen
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Speaker 2: to love each other as men. It's dare I say,
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Speaker 2: it's it's equal love when it's just men, whether it's
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Speaker 2: aerosophilia or agape or storge, they love each other as
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Speaker 2: equals when they are all men. But when you throw
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Speaker 2: women into the situation, everyone becomes wild animals.
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Speaker 1: And you have very unequal ways in which and which
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Speaker 1: power is exercised in a relationship. Because of course, when
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Speaker 1: the relationship is guyin eccentric, then you have more incentive
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Speaker 1: for the man to be self sacrificing and more incentive
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Speaker 1: for the woman to be selfish. Right, And then that's
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Speaker 1: just it's just a fact. There isn't something sexist about
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Speaker 1: saying that, but a lot of women will get upset
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Speaker 1: hearing it, right, But the fact is the types of
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Speaker 1: living arrangements that are being referred to as traditional today,
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Speaker 1: which you know, if people could afford to do that,
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Speaker 1: they did historically. But a lot of people historically were
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Speaker 1: unable to afford to do that, and women did work.
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Speaker 1: It's just they worked because they had to, not because
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Speaker 1: they wanted to in most cases. Right, But those that
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Speaker 1: idea of the traditional man working and woman homemaker relationship,
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Speaker 1: that is male sacrifice and a female benefit right there.
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Speaker 1: So in any case, I just noticed that's the forestry
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Speaker 1: services in here too. This is obviously in case you
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Speaker 1: find yourself alone in the woods with a man instead
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Speaker 1: of a bear, scary, only.
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Speaker 2: You can prevent forest laws.
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Speaker 1: I will never get over that stupid meme. Sorry, but yeah, uh,
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Speaker 1: we won't go there, but if you absolutely need to
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Speaker 1: go there, we have a video somewhere on Honey Badger,
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Speaker 1: the Honey Badger Radio channel or the HBr live streams
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Speaker 1: or Honey Badger live streams channel that we have to
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Speaker 1: talk about the bear and you'll understand, uh, what what
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Speaker 1: I think of that meme if you watch that video.
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Speaker 1: So they go on and again. You can see here
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Speaker 1: their statements about their content are very professional sounding. We
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Speaker 1: offer a variety of programming options able to be conducted
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Speaker 1: virtually or in person, intentionally scaffolded to meet each service
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Speaker 1: member where they are in their career and help arm
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Speaker 1: them with the tools needed to improve their command climate
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Speaker 1: and overall culture. We also have general government trainings regarding
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Speaker 1: harassment discrimination that can be customized to military populations. So
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Speaker 1: you would expect these to be pretty decent production value videos, right.
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Speaker 1: I mean they're getting paid, you know, anywhere between two
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Speaker 1: or three thousand and twenty five thousand to create these programs,
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Speaker 1: and these videos they do have people they send out
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Speaker 1: to do in person, like where they have it's like
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Speaker 1: a Ted Talk, except instead of Ted it's just on
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Speaker 1: you know, some platform somewhere on a military base, in
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Speaker 1: an auditorium, and everybody's required to be there, and nobody
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Speaker 1: can just get up and leave if they don't like
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Speaker 1: what's being said. They're going to talk about consent, but
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Speaker 1: they always they have these videos that they created to
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Speaker 1: add to this, and we'll switched to this. So they
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Speaker 1: have these different materials, promotional materials to get people to
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Speaker 1: come to classes, if say they're going to be on
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Speaker 1: a campus or they're doing something that's voluntary. You have
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Speaker 1: to be a customer of theirs to download them, but
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Speaker 1: you can kind of see. They're pretty basic looking. They
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Speaker 1: look like something that you might see in a high
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Speaker 1: school up on the wall or a college university up
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Speaker 1: on the wall. But I did find a couple of
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Speaker 1: their videos, so let's take a look here. This is
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Speaker 1: one that they might play during a talk on consent,
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Speaker 1: and the first thing that I noticed about it. We
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Speaker 1: started looking at this last week, but we didn't get
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Speaker 1: very am I gonna throw up?
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Speaker 2: Is this gonna make me throw up?
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Speaker 1: And make me reload? It's doing something weird? I have
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Speaker 1: I've had this possibly on the screen too long. Let's
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Speaker 1: see what happens.
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Speaker 4: Okay, what are the coolest ways to ask for consent?
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Speaker 4: What are the coolest ways to ask for consent?
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go back to the beginning hearing and
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Speaker 1: see if I can make this bigger. Probably won't do
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Speaker 1: much good to put it in theater mode, but let's
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Speaker 1: see what happens. Maybe it's a little bigger. But see
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Speaker 1: if you can read the it's not uh YouTube closed captions.
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Speaker 1: It's the video has its own captions here. So see
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Speaker 1: what you think of these captions, and see what you
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Speaker 1: notice about these captions.
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Speaker 2: What are the best ways to ask for consent non verbally? Nonverbally?
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Speaker 2: Are the coolest ways to ask for consent nonverbally?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, but the first thing that they did this
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Speaker 1: is why it's costing a bunch of money to go
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Speaker 1: through their sexual assault prevention training and remove all the
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Speaker 1: DEI shit, because it's not a separate thing that's that's
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Speaker 1: put off to the side that people are taking by itself.
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Speaker 1: It's woven into everything down at the bottom of the page.
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Speaker 1: Here you see she her hers. Let's see if I've
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Speaker 1: got we have he him his. Now I get a question,
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Speaker 1: did any of you look at this picture and not
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Speaker 1: know what her pronouns probably were. No, she doesn't look
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Speaker 1: like it. He him his starting it right. And then
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Speaker 1: when then we have that that he him his.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he looks like he could be a Jim
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Speaker 2: sure to be honest.
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Speaker 1: And and then we have this one is also I
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Speaker 1: believe she her go back and look what it says.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, I think she might have been
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Speaker 1: the first one. I skipped her. That's why when I
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Speaker 1: hit forward five songs, they them theirs, so she is
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Speaker 1: using they them theirs. The title of this vid is
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Speaker 1: Ways to ask for Consent, so obviously like that's what
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Speaker 1: it is. And they have three people in this video.
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Speaker 1: Chances are every penny that went into making this video
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Speaker 1: went to paying the speakers in the video because they're
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Speaker 1: you watch this?
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Speaker 2: How do you? How do you ask for consent with
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Speaker 2: someone who thinks they are they? Then? Are you ok
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Speaker 2: with me touching you? Yes? Are the rest of you
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Speaker 2: okay with me touching all of you? How many of
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Speaker 2: you do I need to ask?
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Speaker 5: Uh?
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Speaker 3: If one of them says no?
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Speaker 1: What happens if one says no and another one.
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Speaker 2: Says yes, you have to wait till they switch. I think.
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Speaker 1: The consensus that I have heard in the past. Is
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Speaker 1: it though, actually is that if someone has headmates and
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Speaker 1: one of them says no, they all say no, even
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Speaker 1: if some of them say yes, that's that's what I've
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Speaker 1: been called. But if you don't know that, then you're
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Speaker 1: you're fucked.
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Speaker 2: A genuine a genuine dissociated identity disorder sufferer won't actually
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Speaker 2: remember well there is that, so technically it shouldn't matter.
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Speaker 2: But if they're just pretending to be have dissociated identity disorder,
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Speaker 2: then they're gonna they're going to accuse you of rape
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Speaker 2: and they're going to ruin your life. So I mean,
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Speaker 2: you should have run a fucking mile ages ago. But
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Speaker 2: before they even said hi, I'm they them.
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Speaker 1: I have only personally met one person who I believe
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Speaker 1: genuinely had some sort of just dissociative disorder, and that
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Speaker 1: that individual was aggressive, not not a victim. But oh,
24:33
Speaker 1: somebody is really statgy right now, there we go. But
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Speaker 1: but that's a situation where when you know somebody is
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Speaker 1: that disturbed and dealing with demons, you know like that,
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Speaker 1: it's better to not embark on an intimate partnership until
24:53
Speaker 1: you know treatment provides a solution to the problem, because
24:59
Speaker 1: that's that's a whole other situation. Just just from my
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Speaker 1: personal experience, that's a dangerous situation for both people involved.
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Speaker 1: But but yeah, I just look at this video so far,
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Speaker 1: I personally am not seeing five thousand dollars worth of
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Speaker 1: production value here yet.
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Speaker 5: You know what I think is really cool? Like us kissing?
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Speaker 5: Is that something that you're into.
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Speaker 1: Or like, that's that's how she's asking for consent?
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Speaker 2: Yuck.
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Speaker 1: Oh, we have a newbie here, somebody else that wasn't
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Speaker 1: pictured before. So we'll see if he has pronouns too.
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Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I really want to.
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Speaker 2: Would you be into that?
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Speaker 1: Do you want to try to fill in the blank?
25:49
Speaker 2: So?
25:49
Speaker 1: Uh? Like I I know a whole bunch of names
25:53
Speaker 1: for different positions, but that one I've never heard. Fill
25:55
Speaker 1: in the blank exactly when you have sex with a bureaucrat.
26:06
Speaker 5: To you know, Pete, I'm usually vibing right now and
26:10
Speaker 5: might get into some freaking nasty.
26:12
Speaker 4: Later if it's okay with you, you really like to
26:15
Speaker 4: kiss you now?
26:16
Speaker 2: I only one question, would you like a cup of tea?
26:23
Speaker 1: I'm glad they could be silly in the process, but
26:26
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this all right, and I'm thinking about
26:29
Speaker 1: this bunches of young men and women who have been
26:36
Speaker 1: who've gone through training. Now you take say Marines for instance,
26:41
Speaker 1: like they actually subject those guys to training where they
26:44
Speaker 1: have to go into a cement if I remember right
26:50
Speaker 1: from the description, it's a cement room that is full
26:54
Speaker 1: of tear gas where it's not ventilated, and they have
26:58
Speaker 1: to be subject to it for a short period of
27:02
Speaker 1: time and brave it for for a few minutes before
27:06
Speaker 1: coming back out. And it's to desensitize themselves to the
27:09
Speaker 1: tear gas because then it will make it harder for
27:12
Speaker 1: the enemy to use it against them later. Right, And
27:15
Speaker 1: there are some guys that are completely desensitized already that
27:19
Speaker 1: they they have a genetic immunity to tear gas. And
27:24
Speaker 1: then there are some people who are genetically more sensitive
27:30
Speaker 1: than others to you know, like then your normal to
27:33
Speaker 1: tear gas. Imagine coming away from training like that, or
27:39
Speaker 1: training where you're shooting at a target and learning to
27:44
Speaker 1: hit center mass, learning you know, to make sure that
27:48
Speaker 1: you're making kill shots, or training to be a sniper,
27:51
Speaker 1: or learning to hit somebody right in the eye, anything
27:54
Speaker 1: like that. It's been in the mud for six months
27:58
Speaker 1: with no bathing facility, or six weeks, sorry, with with
28:02
Speaker 1: no bathing facilities, eating nothing but m R s. And
28:06
Speaker 1: then you have to sit in an auditorium and watch this.
28:12
Speaker 1: I'd be going, can I go back to the tiers?
28:14
Speaker 1: Kill me now? Kill me now?
28:17
Speaker 2: I've worked over with I've worked for the government at
28:21
Speaker 2: at her Majesty's pleasure. And they even teach us not
28:26
Speaker 2: to bully each other in the Royal Male, which is
28:30
Speaker 2: patronizing enough, as they've grown adults and don't know not
28:34
Speaker 2: to bully each other. I would imagine in the army
28:37
Speaker 2: they do sort of teach you not to fuck the
28:44
Speaker 2: local prostitutes if you can, if you can handle it,
28:48
Speaker 2: and they almost.
28:49
Speaker 1: Certainly should hear what they tell the soldiers that train
28:52
Speaker 1: in Korea.
28:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let alone not to not to fuck each
28:58
Speaker 2: other in the event that you're even interested in fucking
29:02
Speaker 2: each other. And I don't imagine it has much of
29:05
Speaker 2: an effect, because soldiers be like soldiers do, They're probably
29:12
Speaker 2: it's still going to do it. And so I don't
29:19
Speaker 2: know what effect this is having. I don't even know
29:23
Speaker 2: what area of discourse this is supposed to be even
29:27
Speaker 2: having an effect like if you are going to have
29:30
Speaker 2: sex with a local Vietnamese prostitute, you should at least
29:34
Speaker 2: say please get my Like, what is this teaching anyone?
29:42
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not as if you're even doing the
29:45
Speaker 2: propositioning right, It's not even as if you're going up
29:49
Speaker 2: to Vietnamese Vietnamese prostitutes and saying you love your long
29:52
Speaker 2: time in Vietnamese or whatever.
29:58
Speaker 1: At this point, now, there was things that did have
30:00
Speaker 1: to be dealt with in the military, Like you know,
30:04
Speaker 1: gen X will remember the U and anybody older will
30:07
Speaker 1: remember the tailhook incident, which there's some people that have
30:12
Speaker 1: said that the news media described it as worse than
30:14
Speaker 1: it was, and there's some people that said it was downplayed.
30:18
Speaker 1: Doesn't really matter everybody involved. You know that the people
30:23
Speaker 1: who got in trouble should have known better, but alcohol
30:28
Speaker 1: was involved, and you don't know as much better when
30:34
Speaker 1: you're drunk as you do when you're sober. And anybody
30:37
Speaker 1: that gets into a situation where they lose their knowing
30:41
Speaker 1: better and then behave in way that they can be
30:47
Speaker 1: criminally charged for should should just not drink. Right, If
30:51
Speaker 1: that's your situation with alcohol and you just okay, well
30:55
Speaker 1: you can't you can't drink because alcohol turns you into
30:58
Speaker 1: a criminal, you know, similar you know, if you can't
31:01
Speaker 1: help yourself from just going finding the nearest car and
31:05
Speaker 1: taking off with it and running into a poll or
31:08
Speaker 1: somebody else's car, shit like that. Don't don't drink, simple, right,
31:13
Speaker 1: But unless you know you have a serious problem, then
31:17
Speaker 1: you're go into rehab. But issues like that are incidents
31:23
Speaker 1: with specific people, and people who are not involved that
31:26
Speaker 1: are not guilty of that don't need to be lectured
31:29
Speaker 1: as if they don't know any better. And for the
31:31
Speaker 1: most part, especially right now, like gen Y and gen Z,
31:36
Speaker 1: millennials don't usually get referred to as gen Y anymore.
31:38
Speaker 1: But they had all this stuff in high school. They
31:42
Speaker 1: had all this stuff in junior high. They were subjected
31:46
Speaker 1: to these kinds of videos for probably half of the
31:50
Speaker 1: time they were in school, like anywhere at least four years,
31:55
Speaker 1: but more likely six years. And none of it's new.
32:02
Speaker 1: When they get into the military, it's not stuff they've
32:04
Speaker 1: never heard before, especially gen Z. So if they're doing
32:10
Speaker 1: this stuff right now, if they're subjecting soldiers in the
32:14
Speaker 1: military to this right now, it's completely redundant. Anybody that
32:19
Speaker 1: gets to eighteen years old, signs up to be in
32:24
Speaker 1: any branch of the military and doesn't know this stuff.
32:30
Speaker 1: It's not because they haven't been told, because there's something
32:34
Speaker 1: wrong with them. And it just it drives me nuts
32:40
Speaker 1: to see that this goes on like this what we
32:43
Speaker 1: were just watching. We saw thirty seconds of it. This
32:47
Speaker 1: video is a minute and a half long, and it's
32:50
Speaker 1: all just different ways of asking for consent, ways to
32:54
Speaker 1: ask when said, can I take your shirt off?
32:59
Speaker 3: In the context, oh my god.
33:02
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It's like, now, if she was really really cute, cute,
33:11
Speaker 1: like cheerleader cute, or you know, maybe some guys would
33:15
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's so adorable. But if she's like
33:19
Speaker 1: I was taller than several of the guys I dated
33:22
Speaker 1: when I was younger. If I acted like that around him,
33:24
Speaker 1: it probably would have scared them, you know. But I
33:28
Speaker 1: was never cute like that. I was you know, I
33:31
Speaker 1: was like always, I have a heavier jaw than most
33:35
Speaker 1: scals do. In fact, feminists use that to accuse me
33:39
Speaker 1: of being trans. My guana would be shocked. Uh. But
33:45
Speaker 1: in any case, yeah, it becomes it becomes creepy when
33:51
Speaker 1: you when you aren't the cute, little petite heart shaped face,
33:56
Speaker 1: you know, perky girl, and you act like that.
34:01
Speaker 2: This is stuff that was being taught to us civilians
34:04
Speaker 2: like ten years ago, way back way back in the
34:08
Speaker 2: fucking Game of Eight Days, and we were you know,
34:11
Speaker 2: reacting to it back then as the ridiculousness that it was.
34:17
Speaker 2: And if we had said to people at the time,
34:19
Speaker 2: imagine if this was being told to people in the police,
34:24
Speaker 2: never mind the armed forces, like the military, and people
34:28
Speaker 2: would have said, no, that's ridiculous, that would never happen.
34:33
Speaker 2: That would be going too far. And such is the
34:36
Speaker 2: evolution of the Overton window. At the time, they say
34:40
Speaker 2: it would never happen, and then it happens, and then
34:43
Speaker 2: they go, well, what's the problem with it happening now?
34:47
Speaker 2: It wasn't like we were saying it would never happen
34:49
Speaker 2: back then, Like it was the line that we drew
34:52
Speaker 2: in the sand back then. You know, it was the
34:55
Speaker 2: line that we drew in the sand back then to
34:57
Speaker 2: say no, that's ridiculous, that would never happen. Now it's happening.
35:01
Speaker 2: So now there's the line they're drawing in the sand.
35:03
Speaker 2: I mean, it can go no further if it's gone.
35:06
Speaker 2: If it's gone as far as the military, the people
35:09
Speaker 2: who are supposed to be as disciplined as possible for
35:12
Speaker 2: the sake of the most exact you know, the particular
35:18
Speaker 2: pursuit of excellence. Where does it go from there? What
35:26
Speaker 2: is even the point in the most particular of jobs,
35:30
Speaker 2: the most particular of disciplines, if even they have been
35:35
Speaker 2: infected with the same feminist bullshit that affected fucking college
35:41
Speaker 2: students twenty years ago. Like I keep saying, when has
35:48
Speaker 2: it gone too far? You need to ask yourself, if
35:51
Speaker 2: it hasn't gone too far, now, when has it gone
35:53
Speaker 2: too far? And if it's already got as far as
35:56
Speaker 2: the military, that's literally as far as it can go,
36:00
Speaker 2: that's the most disciplined discipline that's supposed to exist, there
36:06
Speaker 2: is nowhere it can go from there. So the answer
36:10
Speaker 2: is it can never go too far. We're going to
36:13
Speaker 2: keep pushing the over to the window until it's completely
36:15
Speaker 2: destroyed society.
36:17
Speaker 1: And then over a cliff.
36:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we'll still blame men for everything fox sake.
36:24
Speaker 1: Yep, And I mean this kind of training. I've worked
36:27
Speaker 1: in a few corporate environments because of my my preference
36:34
Speaker 1: for having two or three jobs at a time, and
36:37
Speaker 1: so I've been through this kind of training over and
36:40
Speaker 1: over and over again, and it's different. Corporate cultures take
36:47
Speaker 1: different attitudes toward this. Only been to like one or
36:51
Speaker 1: two trainings like this where they did stuff like this,
36:55
Speaker 1: but for the most part, most of my employers, the
37:00
Speaker 1: training was about a combined set of things. You know,
37:03
Speaker 1: knowing when you're making someone uncomfortable or unhappy because they're
37:09
Speaker 1: sensitive about the topic, or you're bringing up something that
37:13
Speaker 1: isn't a workplace discussion, or you know you've provided too
37:16
Speaker 1: much information, or you've asked for too much information, or
37:19
Speaker 1: you've overstepped across the line, something like that, and then
37:24
Speaker 1: also understanding the difference between when someone has upset you
37:31
Speaker 1: inadvertently and they didn't mean to, versus when someone is
37:34
Speaker 1: being a deliberate asshole. And so you know, there's the
37:41
Speaker 1: previous thing can be resolved through a discussion and mutual
37:46
Speaker 1: respect and so on. But if someone's being a deliberate asshole,
37:50
Speaker 1: then there's disciplinary procedures that take place, right and you
37:54
Speaker 1: don't want disciplinary procedures and you don't want to lose
37:57
Speaker 1: coworkers if someone's not being deliberate asshole, and you can
38:01
Speaker 1: wear something out.
38:03
Speaker 5: But.
38:05
Speaker 1: The places that had stuff like this. What I noticed
38:11
Speaker 1: in those environments was everybody was presumed to be a
38:15
Speaker 1: deliberate asshole, even if they hadn't been accused of anything.
38:20
Speaker 1: And then if somebody did make an allegation, it was like, oh, well,
38:24
Speaker 1: we knew you've been caught, you know, and that was it.
38:27
Speaker 1: You got progressive discipline from there on out. And anything
38:32
Speaker 1: else that you got in trouble, you were late for work,
38:36
Speaker 1: your paperwork wasn't perfectly in order at the end of
38:39
Speaker 1: your shift, anything like that that colored it got it
38:43
Speaker 1: got sort of added into it. Well, you think you
38:45
Speaker 1: can get away with this stuff because you're this demographic,
38:48
Speaker 1: and obviously, since you're bullying other staff for being a
38:52
Speaker 1: different demographic, you you did this for the same reason,
38:58
Speaker 1: you know, And so you end up with a cascade
39:02
Speaker 1: of Like I've seen people start out with a clean slate,
39:07
Speaker 1: get an allegation, and then like a month later, they're
39:11
Speaker 1: fired for repeated write ups for minor infractions that weren't
39:14
Speaker 1: happening until after they had that allegation, you know. So
39:20
Speaker 1: it is different when they have the political correctness or
39:25
Speaker 1: the DEI shit that's in there, versus employers that are
39:29
Speaker 1: just like, you know, this is supposed to be a
39:31
Speaker 1: culture of mutual respect. Try not to step on any
39:34
Speaker 1: anybody's toes. Try not to presume malice if somebody does
39:38
Speaker 1: step on your toes until you have evidence that it's malicious.
39:42
Speaker 1: That is a situation where Handlan Handlan's razor is useful.
39:48
Speaker 1: If somebody seems to be ignorant of your boundaries, where
39:54
Speaker 1: maybe you're a little sensitive about something that everybody isn't
39:57
Speaker 1: sensitive about, or there's been some flirting but you're not
40:01
Speaker 1: willing to go on a date, or you know, anything
40:04
Speaker 1: like that. Let's see, we did get a super chow.
40:11
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, this one is ours. Meredith g gave
40:16
Speaker 1: us five dollars and said, HBr talk three fifty four.
40:20
Speaker 1: So let's think through the fact that so many congressman,
40:22
Speaker 1: senators and judges have a family member who often serve
40:26
Speaker 1: an NGOs. And then you start to see that whole
40:29
Speaker 1: feminist drift is often set up from the time a
40:33
Speaker 1: bill is passed to the eventual payout. And yeah, that's
40:36
Speaker 1: another thing. A lot of these companies do have people
40:40
Speaker 1: in the company whose family members work are are either
40:50
Speaker 1: part of the elected part of the government or part
40:53
Speaker 1: of the bureaucratic part of the government and these laws.
40:57
Speaker 1: When these laws pass, there's a process, right you get
41:01
Speaker 1: the law passed, like Title nine was passed in nineteen
41:04
Speaker 1: seventy two, which I was born in nineteen seventy two,
41:08
Speaker 1: so they should give you an idea how that's been around.
41:12
Speaker 1: I'm about to turn fifty three. So Title nine basically
41:21
Speaker 1: just said that there couldn't be discrimination to keep women
41:27
Speaker 1: out of academic participation on university campuses. And it was
41:34
Speaker 1: specifically passed to get rid of quotas quota systems for
41:39
Speaker 1: certain types of areas of study like medicine and law
41:43
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But those quota systems were already
41:46
Speaker 1: going away when the law was passed, and so it
41:52
Speaker 1: was kind of outdated when it got passed. And so
41:55
Speaker 1: the first thing that happens is a government agency is
42:00
Speaker 1: created to handle that law. And they've got a or
42:07
Speaker 1: rather a sub agency because part of the Education Department.
42:10
Speaker 1: But in order to ensure university compliance, they had to
42:16
Speaker 1: make policy. And the way that that policy becomes treated
42:21
Speaker 1: like its law. They write this policy, they handed over
42:25
Speaker 1: to Congress, and if Congress does nothing for forty five days,
42:29
Speaker 1: the policy gets treated it's enforced as if it is law,
42:33
Speaker 1: and so the first thing they did was expand it
42:38
Speaker 1: from academic studies to extracurricular activities like athletic participation, and
42:46
Speaker 1: then it became all about sports because they didn't need
42:49
Speaker 1: to enforce it in regard to academic studies and because
42:54
Speaker 1: it became all about sports, they over time and trying
42:58
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to ensure that girls and
43:00
Speaker 1: women were not being discriminated against by university and high
43:05
Speaker 1: school athletic departments. Because they eventually also expanded it to
43:09
Speaker 1: secondary education institutions instead of just the post secondary education institutions,
43:15
Speaker 1: they created a quota system, so if your university didn't
43:21
Speaker 1: have an equal number of male and female participants in
43:24
Speaker 1: its athletic program overall, you were obviously discriminating against the women.
43:31
Speaker 1: So if you didn't have enough female interest in sports,
43:36
Speaker 1: then the university had to start acting male programs. And
43:41
Speaker 1: in the nineties this had a nasty effect. It started
43:46
Speaker 1: taking out men's gymnastics programs and men's Olympic wrestling programs
43:51
Speaker 1: because they weren't going to get rid of their football programs.
43:56
Speaker 1: But there weren't necessarily women clamoring to play football and
44:00
Speaker 1: there weren't women clamoring to be on the wrestling team,
44:04
Speaker 1: and so they decided gymnastics and wrestling could just be tanked.
44:08
Speaker 1: If they had to tank something to comply, they couldn't
44:12
Speaker 1: get more women to join their teams. And that is
44:19
Speaker 1: essentially how this works, right, And then the next thing
44:21
Speaker 1: that happened is well, we ended up with a fairly
44:24
Speaker 1: balanced representation between male and female and university campuses because
44:32
Speaker 1: they reduced the number the amount of male participation, and
44:36
Speaker 1: so there wasn't anything for them to enforce. Again, in
44:39
Speaker 1: order to remain relevant, they came up with it was
44:43
Speaker 1: called the Clariact, and they went into the business of
44:46
Speaker 1: promoting a sexual misconduct awareness on university campuses, and that
44:52
Speaker 1: started in the late nineties. There was also already an
44:57
Speaker 1: effort happening. It wasn't titled nine related, but there were
45:03
Speaker 1: already like I had a consent class when I went
45:05
Speaker 1: to university in nineteen ninety one, so and it was
45:09
Speaker 1: this dumb too, but it was organized by campus feminists,
45:14
Speaker 1: so it wasn't it was this dumb, but it was
45:18
Speaker 1: also as informal. It was it was almost like a
45:23
Speaker 1: DARE program activity. It was really it was really dumb.
45:28
Speaker 1: But and it was all stuff that we already knew,
45:32
Speaker 1: Like there wasn't anything they said that anybody was like, gosh,
45:35
Speaker 1: I never thought of it that way, Like, gee, I
45:38
Speaker 1: had no idea you shouldn't rape drunk people when they're
45:41
Speaker 1: passed out. Who who would have thought, right? None of
45:45
Speaker 1: us sat there and were surprised by the idea that
45:49
Speaker 1: a person who is unconscious is not consenting to sex.
45:53
Speaker 1: That that didn't surprise a single student. But in any case,
45:57
Speaker 1: they started going down that road. And then of course
45:59
Speaker 1: in twenty you had the dear colleague Letther and they
46:02
Speaker 1: had a whole set of rules that were imposed on
46:05
Speaker 1: the campuses, and all of a sudden, companies like this
46:09
Speaker 1: were poised to make a shitload of money going onto
46:11
Speaker 1: university campuses and training the staff and the students and
46:18
Speaker 1: the local law enforcement, you know, how to work with university,
46:22
Speaker 1: and then setting up offices. New jobs were created on
46:26
Speaker 1: university campuses just for handling sexual misconduct allegations, Like there
46:32
Speaker 1: was the whole nine yards, the same thing that we
46:35
Speaker 1: see in the military. So yeah, this is very lucrative,
46:40
Speaker 1: very lucrative. And these people, everything they do is this
46:46
Speaker 1: quality or less for the money.
46:51
Speaker 4: Well, I was thinking maybe we could, you know, have
46:53
Speaker 4: a meal, have some dessert, Maybe you go back to
46:56
Speaker 4: my place, you know, play a little scrabble with our body.
47:03
Speaker 2: That is the creepiest motherfucking thing I've ever seen.
47:06
Speaker 1: Gay is, like, what's the stereotype? Oh, I took you
47:12
Speaker 1: out to dinner, Let's go back to my place and
47:14
Speaker 1: have sex. Like now they're promoting it.
47:19
Speaker 6: You know, this whole thing really just it just reeks
47:24
Speaker 6: of desperation, right, like, because if this was really as
47:28
Speaker 6: prevalent as they want us to believe, right then I
47:32
Speaker 6: can see the legitimacy of having this right, but it
47:37
Speaker 6: feels so forced because you're right. I don't know anyone
47:42
Speaker 6: who besides the odd psychopath, right, who doesn't know that
47:48
Speaker 6: you shouldn't take advantage of other people.
47:51
Speaker 1: I mean, that's.
47:52
Speaker 3: Pretty much common sense.
47:53
Speaker 6: You learned that in flipping kindergarten, you know, and obviously
47:59
Speaker 6: not the sexual thing, but you know, you learn how
48:01
Speaker 6: to behave around.
48:03
Speaker 3: Other people, You learn how to treat people fairly. I
48:07
Speaker 3: don't know a person who.
48:09
Speaker 6: Thinks that, oh, it's cool to take advantage of someone else.
48:14
Speaker 1: Not anybody that isn't fucking ahead.
48:16
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so that's what you want me to believe,
48:20
Speaker 6: that that this is just the type of personality that's
48:24
Speaker 6: running rampant in our military.
48:27
Speaker 1: It's just totally normal for people to have to be
48:29
Speaker 1: told this stuff. You guys, you're the only person that
48:33
Speaker 1: already knew this stuff.
48:34
Speaker 3: The whole rest of the base was completely ignorant.
48:38
Speaker 1: It It's like having this training in middle school and
48:42
Speaker 1: then junior high and then high school, like they gotta
48:45
Speaker 1: have it again.
48:47
Speaker 3: Right, right, you know?
48:48
Speaker 6: And then you know, for the most part, if an
48:52
Speaker 6: assault like that does happen, there's a high likelihood that
48:56
Speaker 6: alcohol or drugs were involved, you know what I mean,
48:59
Speaker 6: things that just lowers your inhibitions, right, and increases your
49:07
Speaker 6: your inability to make sense of reality, you know. So yeah, okay,
49:16
Speaker 6: be careful what you do when you're partying. There's a
49:20
Speaker 6: chance that some things could happen, right, But nobody needs
49:23
Speaker 6: to be sat down like a fucking five year old
49:28
Speaker 6: and taught how not to touch other people's naughty.
49:30
Speaker 3: Bits without their permission.
49:34
Speaker 1: Well, and they also talk about this stuff like it's
49:36
Speaker 1: more or less complicated than it really is. Yeah. At
49:40
Speaker 1: a friend in college who before she took women's studies,
49:46
Speaker 1: which she did, unfortunately, but before she took women's studies.
49:51
Speaker 1: I'll remind you I am from Ohio, and we have
49:55
Speaker 1: a pretty heavy teen drinking culture here and it's been
49:57
Speaker 1: that way for decades. And when I was in high school,
50:02
Speaker 1: like I didn't, I didn't go to parties because I
50:04
Speaker 1: knew that there was going to be alcohol. And my
50:09
Speaker 1: father was a school teacher, and from the time I
50:11
Speaker 1: was in elementary school, my mother was involved with our
50:15
Speaker 1: city government. And if I got busted at a party
50:18
Speaker 1: where there was alcohol, that would have been really bad
50:22
Speaker 1: for them. And I really wasn't interested in drinking. And
50:26
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I hung out with my friends
50:28
Speaker 1: other times doing other things and left the partying to
50:33
Speaker 1: people who were a lot more interested in hanging out
50:35
Speaker 1: with a lot of people all at the same time
50:37
Speaker 1: and drinking and stuff. But it was a very common thing,
50:45
Speaker 1: like most of the students would be there, most of
50:49
Speaker 1: the high school kids would be there. And that's all
50:52
Speaker 1: over the area. You see that in all over Ohio,
50:56
Speaker 1: you see that in Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Canucky. It's there's
51:01
Speaker 1: a huge drinking culture. Now you get to some parts
51:04
Speaker 1: of southern Ohio and Kentucky. And then there there's also
51:09
Speaker 1: like one community I know of in northwest Ohio that
51:13
Speaker 1: it goes in the other direction really hard, and there's
51:16
Speaker 1: a teetotaling culture. And in fact, the university I went
51:21
Speaker 1: to is in that community in northwest Ohio. And when
51:25
Speaker 1: my parents met at that university, it was a dry campus,
51:31
Speaker 1: and it still was a dry campus when I went
51:33
Speaker 1: to that university. But the community was a dry community
51:36
Speaker 1: when they went to that university, and it changed, I
51:40
Speaker 1: think during their senior year and and a bar opened
51:44
Speaker 1: in the downtown and it was it was called a
51:47
Speaker 1: stag bar. I don't know if those still exist or not.
51:52
Speaker 1: Gen Bottle probably knows what I'm talking about, because he's
51:56
Speaker 1: he's pretty close to my parents' age, right. If your
51:59
Speaker 1: if your son was born a year before I was,
52:03
Speaker 1: then you're probably pretty close to my parents' age. But
52:06
Speaker 1: a stag bar is just for men. You know. They
52:10
Speaker 1: can't tell women not to go in there, but they
52:13
Speaker 1: don't make it comfortable for women. For example, the bathroom
52:17
Speaker 1: did not have a door because there were only supposed
52:21
Speaker 1: to be men in there, and it did not smell good.
52:24
Speaker 1: The bathroom did not smell good from the description that
52:28
Speaker 1: my father gave me. You know, you went down a
52:30
Speaker 1: little hallway and then the bathroom was off to the side,
52:33
Speaker 1: and it was open, and once you got into that
52:35
Speaker 1: hallway you could smell the bathroom. Couldn't smell it in
52:38
Speaker 1: the bar though, because all the chemicals they used on
52:41
Speaker 1: the floor. But yeah, it was just a bunch of
52:46
Speaker 1: guys in there hanging out drinking. There was food, you know,
52:50
Speaker 1: like mostly sandwiches and stuff, and that was it. There
52:54
Speaker 1: weren't a lot of like, I don't think there was
52:56
Speaker 1: really any place in that community for women to drink,
52:59
Speaker 1: which isn't necessarily a bad thing because I have been
53:04
Speaker 1: around more than my fair share of drunk women, and
53:08
Speaker 1: women are idiots when they're drunk, just just to be
53:11
Speaker 1: to be fair, men sometimes are idiots when they're drunk.
53:15
Speaker 1: I don't know any woman that I've ever been around
53:18
Speaker 1: when she was drunk that wasn't an idiot when she
53:20
Speaker 1: was drunk, not not when she was like really really drunk.
53:26
Speaker 1: So yeah, and before anybody goes, what about Karen, I've
53:32
Speaker 1: seen Karen drink a lot and not get drunk at all,
53:35
Speaker 1: so that doesn't count. I mean, when I talk about trunk,
53:39
Speaker 1: I mean being affected by the alcohol, right, But in
53:44
Speaker 1: any case, Yeah, where I grew up, it was pretty
53:48
Speaker 1: there's a pretty solid culture of this kind of drinking
53:52
Speaker 1: in high school kids, right. This friend of mine, she
53:54
Speaker 1: would she would drink a little bit and then she
53:57
Speaker 1: would grab some guy by the shirt and drag him
54:01
Speaker 1: off to another room and screw his brains out.
54:05
Speaker 2: And like.
54:06
Speaker 1: And she's talked about this after she joined two things.
54:10
Speaker 1: She did two things at university. She joined at Christian
54:13
Speaker 1: Fellowship Club and she took women's studies, which at the
54:17
Speaker 1: time I thought, well, that's kind of self contradictory. But
54:22
Speaker 1: the more I get to know modern trad cons, the
54:24
Speaker 1: more I realize that's not entirely. But so she went
54:30
Speaker 1: through a lot of regret because of you know, the
54:33
Speaker 1: whole chastity admonishment in Christianity, which isn't necessarily a bad
54:38
Speaker 1: idea because it's a lot harder to get an SDI
54:40
Speaker 1: if you're not having sex. But she started to feel
54:45
Speaker 1: really bad because she had done that. I'll lot her
54:49
Speaker 1: body count. If somebody had asked her her body count,
54:52
Speaker 1: she probably would have turned beat red and refused to talk. Well,
54:56
Speaker 1: then her women's studies class convinced her that every time
55:00
Speaker 1: she had done that, that would that represented that guy
55:03
Speaker 1: that she dragged off, that stranger that she didn't even know,
55:05
Speaker 1: that she dragged off into another room by the shirt
55:07
Speaker 1: to have sex with, that represented him raping her. Oh god,
55:14
Speaker 1: even if he was just as drunk.
55:19
Speaker 2: This, this clip that we just watched, seems to be telling people.
55:23
Speaker 2: If you feel like telling a woman, let's go back
55:27
Speaker 2: to my place and fuck, don't instead just say let's
55:33
Speaker 2: play scrabble with our bodies. If you say to a woman,
55:38
Speaker 2: let's go back to my place and fuck, that will
55:41
Speaker 2: be a turn off to like ninety five percent of women.
55:45
Speaker 2: They'll be like, good lord, no, bye.
55:48
Speaker 1: This man has obviously never heard of twister.
55:50
Speaker 2: But the other five percent might might go, all right,
55:54
Speaker 2: I respect your boldness to say what you're thinking of saying,
55:57
Speaker 2: and I happen to be incredibly horny, let's go. But
56:01
Speaker 2: if you if you say let's play scrabble with our bodies,
56:05
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of women will be like, good lord, no,
56:11
Speaker 2: And even just despite how honey I am, if you
56:15
Speaker 2: can't even fucking say what you're thinking of saying, if
56:19
Speaker 2: you're just gonna hide behind this feminism, this euphemistic simping bullshit,
56:27
Speaker 2: like I can't even respect that you're you're you're a
56:32
Speaker 2: horribly hony cunt and you can't even say what you think.
56:36
Speaker 2: None of this is a turn on for me or
56:39
Speaker 2: anyone like, it's the worst of both worlds. Go the
56:44
Speaker 2: fuck away. And maybe that's the point they're encouraging men
56:48
Speaker 2: to do, to do the most unattractive turnoff the thing
56:52
Speaker 2: they could possibly do, And that's that's the whole point
56:56
Speaker 2: of it.
56:57
Speaker 1: There's one kind of woman who will fall for adorable, yeah,
57:00
Speaker 1: and that's if she's a dork, she'll fall for adorable.
57:05
Speaker 1: But you can't. You can't, like have zero zero confidence.
57:14
Speaker 1: You can't have zero identity of your own and be
57:20
Speaker 1: adorable and have a woman fall for it. Girls can
57:24
Speaker 1: get away with that, right, and guys will be like, oh,
57:27
Speaker 1: in that's sweet, I'm gonna save this woman, yeah, captain
57:32
Speaker 1: save oho to the rescue. But women, when women do that,
57:36
Speaker 1: they do it to men who are like serial killers,
57:39
Speaker 1: not the adorable guys. But I will confess that there
57:43
Speaker 1: are guys that I wasn't interested in that I went
57:47
Speaker 1: out with because they worked really hard to you could tell,
57:51
Speaker 1: you know, to work up the courage, and then fumbled
57:55
Speaker 1: all over themselves asking me out. It was like I
57:58
Speaker 1: can't say no now. This poor guy just like put
58:02
Speaker 1: his head on the chopping block. So yeah, of course
58:06
Speaker 1: I went uh and and had a great time and
58:10
Speaker 1: made friends and uh one guy actually went out with
58:14
Speaker 1: for quite a while after that. But it's gotta be
58:20
Speaker 1: real if you're being If you're faking, you can't fake adorable, right,
58:25
Speaker 1: you can make it creepy trying to fake it, or
58:30
Speaker 1: you know, you can you can look like you were
58:36
Speaker 1: trying to be too clever by half like this guy like,
58:38
Speaker 1: like I said, he's never heard of twister. Come on,
58:41
Speaker 1: if you're gonna.
58:43
Speaker 3: Game, we're gonna make words.
58:46
Speaker 1: Say ah, let's go back to my place and play
58:48
Speaker 1: Twister naked. But no, I scrabble words with friends. Yeah.
58:59
Speaker 1: And it's the sad thing is these are lines people
59:02
Speaker 1: are reading like they've been given these. These are not
59:04
Speaker 1: I don't think these are these somebody wrote.
59:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody wrote this and got paid for it. That
59:09
Speaker 3: it's just trash.
59:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know if these are actors that
59:15
Speaker 1: they pulled from like the screen actors killed, or if
59:20
Speaker 1: these are actors that are part of the company that
59:23
Speaker 1: got pulled to do the acting in this. But yeah,
59:29
Speaker 1: this is.
59:30
Speaker 4: I'll let myself out.
59:33
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I'm so glad I just saw you
59:35
Speaker 5: because I had this dream last night that like we
59:37
Speaker 5: hooked up.
59:45
Speaker 1: So they're just used pickup lines that don't work for men.
59:49
Speaker 2: No, no, they will work for men. And that's the
59:51
Speaker 2: tragic thing because so many men up chicks, so many
59:55
Speaker 2: men are so down bad that they would go for that,
59:58
Speaker 2: And that's what we need to teach me, Like this
1:00:01
Speaker 2: is the female equivalent of that impossibly adorable bullshit. No,
1:00:07
Speaker 2: like like it's not like women ever do go for
1:00:13
Speaker 2: pick up lines like that because they don't need to.
1:00:16
Speaker 2: But in the event that they do, like fucking don't
1:00:19
Speaker 2: fall for a gentleman, because you know, it's a trap. Yeah,
1:00:27
Speaker 2: just because a woman seems interested in you doesn't mean
1:00:29
Speaker 2: she's not going to turn out to be a nightmare
1:00:32
Speaker 2: later on. Yeah.
1:00:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this this continued for like there's.
1:00:38
Speaker 4: A whole I really like when you did that one
1:00:41
Speaker 4: thing that last time.
1:00:43
Speaker 2: You know, when you do that thing.
1:00:46
Speaker 1: No, I don't know, but to you, oh yeah, Like
1:00:54
Speaker 1: so the just that you get the just that I'm
1:00:57
Speaker 1: getting from this, all right, is it asking for consent
1:01:00
Speaker 1: has to be awkward?
1:01:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's like, yeah, the only way that we
1:01:07
Speaker 6: can have sex is if I definitely get your permission.
1:01:10
Speaker 6: But I'm gonna be as vague about asking the question
1:01:13
Speaker 6: as possible. What just get right to the fucking point
1:01:19
Speaker 6: if if listen, and I'm not saying that consent is
1:01:21
Speaker 6: necessarily a bad thing, right because I would never want
1:01:24
Speaker 6: to push up on somebody and then he's like, ew,
1:01:27
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, that's that's just a bad
1:01:32
Speaker 6: feeling overall. But holy shit, there's there's a there's a
1:01:37
Speaker 6: fine line between being direct and uh, you know this.
1:01:42
Speaker 6: I don't even know if it's a fine line, but
1:01:45
Speaker 6: there's a difference between being direct and.
1:01:49
Speaker 3: This wimpy who would you mind? Or oh I would
1:01:54
Speaker 3: like to do that thing?
1:01:56
Speaker 6: Like that's such a fucking turn off, you know what
1:01:58
Speaker 6: I mean? And women love when men are direct. They
1:02:03
Speaker 6: don't want men that beat around the bush, so to speak.
1:02:08
Speaker 1: And one friend that used to like to steal movie lines.
1:02:11
Speaker 1: She'd walk up to a guy and be like, nice shoes,
1:02:13
Speaker 1: want to fuck. I don't remember what movie she said
1:02:16
Speaker 1: it came from. But she liked it so much she
1:02:20
Speaker 1: used to just use it on her boyfriend. Like, you
1:02:23
Speaker 1: don't have to ask. But like the chick that I
1:02:30
Speaker 1: just talked about, the grabbed guys by the shirt, dragged
1:02:32
Speaker 1: him off into another room. All right, what you learn
1:02:36
Speaker 1: in these consent classes is that those guys still have
1:02:39
Speaker 1: to ask for consent. She gave her consent. She grabbed
1:02:43
Speaker 1: him by the shirt, dragged him off into another room,
1:02:45
Speaker 1: and started ripping his clothes off. That is her communicating
1:02:51
Speaker 1: she didn't ask for his consent.
1:02:53
Speaker 2: Right. Don't go with any woman who rips your shirt off.
1:02:59
Speaker 2: By the way, that shirt could be expensive.
1:03:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, very expensive, so much it paid for these threads.
1:03:08
Speaker 2: This is my treaty. Leave them, leave the fit alone.
1:03:13
Speaker 1: The most important part of this shirt is their most
1:03:16
Speaker 1: expensive part of the shirt is the court case you
1:03:18
Speaker 1: have later on.
1:03:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, cool, y'all. I think we need to get
1:03:26
Speaker 4: over the taboo nature of talking about sex and consent
1:03:30
Speaker 4: and just ask for consent.
1:03:32
Speaker 2: Just ask.
1:03:33
Speaker 4: The sexiest thing.
1:03:34
Speaker 1: To do is okay. Yeah. The people in the chat
1:03:37
Speaker 1: that have been going he's gay, he's gay. Okay, I am.
1:03:40
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue with you now. That's a distinct possibility.
1:03:45
Speaker 1: Not that I haven't met straight guys that sound totally gay,
1:03:50
Speaker 1: but and I have met gay guys that sound totally
1:03:54
Speaker 1: straight too, But yeah, the vibes are there.
1:03:58
Speaker 2: There are so many metrosexuals now that I know, it's
1:04:01
Speaker 2: sort of difficult to tell if it's a repressed gay
1:04:05
Speaker 2: guy or a repressed straight guy.
1:04:09
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't know how much I wish
1:04:13
Speaker 1: that guys had as much leeway in terms of being
1:04:17
Speaker 1: soft spoken or having a southern drawl, or or calling
1:04:22
Speaker 1: people honey and sweetye and stuff like that without being
1:04:25
Speaker 1: called gay or or effeminate, as if it is a
1:04:30
Speaker 1: derogatory term, you know, like it's I it's not really
1:04:34
Speaker 1: wrong or or shouldn't be derogatory to call him in
1:04:38
Speaker 1: those things, And and he still identifies as a man,
1:04:44
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing wrong with identifying as your birth sex
1:04:47
Speaker 1: and not meeting the stereotype for your birth sex. Women
1:04:53
Speaker 1: get away with it all the time, m.
1:04:59
Speaker 2: I promise.
1:05:01
Speaker 1: But that's the end of that one.
1:05:03
Speaker 3: We have.
1:05:03
Speaker 1: The other one here is a little more straightforward DEI
1:05:08
Speaker 1: that we switched to. This one. This one we tested
1:05:11
Speaker 1: and Alison saw like thirty seconds of it blue or
1:05:17
Speaker 1: stack this video again. I want to remind you, all right,
1:05:21
Speaker 1: you you've, if you're a regular listener or viewer, you've
1:05:25
Speaker 1: seen the production value of our our videos. When we
1:05:29
Speaker 1: make a a scripted video and use images and put
1:05:36
Speaker 1: statistics up on the screen. Everything we do not make
1:05:40
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars a video, or at least I personally don't, right,
1:05:46
Speaker 1: and I Mike puts a lot more production value in
1:05:51
Speaker 1: his because his require talent that I don't have. I'm
1:05:56
Speaker 1: lucky if I'm making puppets.
1:05:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking. If anyone gives me a super chat,
1:06:02
Speaker 2: I earn more than I from advertising dollars. This is
1:06:07
Speaker 2: why I don't add some videos anymore. I fuck it.
1:06:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is what we get for a few thousand,
1:06:16
Speaker 1: somewhere between a fewenty and twenty five thousand dollars that
1:06:21
Speaker 1: the military has paid a company to create videos. This
1:06:26
Speaker 1: one is called gender identity Flash Expression, and this is
1:06:35
Speaker 1: part of their sexual assault prevention training.
1:06:43
Speaker 2: You about.
1:06:47
Speaker 1: YouTube says, we don't really need to watch this video.
1:06:51
Speaker 5: And gender identity so let's get into.
1:06:57
Speaker 1: God, this already has at least more duction value than
1:07:00
Speaker 1: the last one did. They actually had some video cards
1:07:05
Speaker 1: speak on this topic.
1:07:07
Speaker 5: Because I identify as non binary and as an envy person,
1:07:11
Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of gender people people this is.
1:07:17
Speaker 1: This is when it gets me too, because it again,
1:07:23
Speaker 1: I think it's a try too hard kind of thing
1:07:27
Speaker 1: to create all of these different sexes and gender identities
1:07:32
Speaker 1: and so on. Instead of just saying you can be
1:07:39
Speaker 1: how you were born, you can be. If you're born female,
1:07:42
Speaker 1: you can be female. You were born male, you could
1:07:44
Speaker 1: be male. And it doesn't mean that you have to
1:07:48
Speaker 1: like all of the same things as all the other
1:07:50
Speaker 1: people who were born the same sex as you, or
1:07:53
Speaker 1: think in the same ways all the time, like the
1:07:56
Speaker 1: same sex of partner, any of that dress the same,
1:08:01
Speaker 1: do your hair the same. None of that has to
1:08:03
Speaker 1: be set in stone. It's just the main thing is,
1:08:09
Speaker 1: you know, if you're trying to reproduce, do you want
1:08:13
Speaker 1: somebody that's the opposite sex to help you with that?
1:08:18
Speaker 1: But aside from that, there really there really shouldn't be
1:08:21
Speaker 1: a whole lot of politics around this, right. The main
1:08:26
Speaker 1: thing is that the different differentiates the genders right now
1:08:31
Speaker 1: is that we allow women to be less adult than
1:08:36
Speaker 1: men and still identify as adults.
1:08:38
Speaker 2: Look, if she ever gets into a fight with a
1:08:42
Speaker 2: man who claims he's non binary, she'll be like, I'm
1:08:46
Speaker 2: a woman. Yep, yeah, will that if she ever gets
1:08:50
Speaker 2: into a legal dispute with a man who claims he's
1:08:53
Speaker 2: non binary, she'll be like, I'm a woman, so that
1:08:56
Speaker 2: she can win that legal dispute. Yeah, it's it's all
1:09:00
Speaker 2: fucking window dressing until it comes until it comes to
1:09:05
Speaker 2: the crunch fucking top, bullshitting us, you cunt.
1:09:10
Speaker 1: Yep, guaranteed. And when you really think about it, there
1:09:15
Speaker 1: isn't anything about what someone considers their gender identity that
1:09:22
Speaker 1: is relevant to any other aspect of life. There's not
1:09:25
Speaker 1: some you don't treat people differently at dinner, like non
1:09:30
Speaker 1: binary people don't eat potatoes, guys, so don't serve potatoes
1:09:33
Speaker 1: to the non binary. Not like that, right, unless somebody's
1:09:37
Speaker 1: allergic to potatoes, and then I really feel sorry for them.
1:09:42
Speaker 1: But in any case, yeah, there's there's it's like not
1:09:46
Speaker 1: information that matters. And all of this. These made up
1:09:50
Speaker 1: identities are really not even window dressing. They're static, like
1:09:59
Speaker 1: tell vision static, you know, they obscure the real picture
1:10:05
Speaker 1: of the person. Her hair is blue, her hair.
1:10:09
Speaker 3: Is blue, her opinion is invalid.
1:10:12
Speaker 1: If I'm getting to know somebody, though, like I would
1:10:14
Speaker 1: rather find out that they're just absolutely obsessed with growing
1:10:18
Speaker 1: roses and they want to get the most blooms on
1:10:22
Speaker 1: the least you know, bushy plant or something, or they're
1:10:28
Speaker 1: trying to cook the perfect, perfect soufflet, or you know,
1:10:33
Speaker 1: they could tell you every every car that was made
1:10:37
Speaker 1: before nineteen ninety make model and all of the highlights
1:10:43
Speaker 1: of what it did and what was special about it
1:10:46
Speaker 1: and everything. Like, I don't care what your identity, your
1:10:50
Speaker 1: gender identity is, it doesn't matter, It doesn't tell me
1:10:53
Speaker 1: anything about you. But here we go.
1:11:00
Speaker 5: Queer community in general are often left out of conversation.
1:11:02
Speaker 5: We still have to talk about all of these people
1:11:05
Speaker 5: who are not feeling seen. And that's what I'm here
1:11:07
Speaker 5: to do. Cis gender means you identify with the gender.
1:11:11
Speaker 1: It means that somebody had to make up a term
1:11:13
Speaker 1: for normal that wasn't normal, but because they decided that
1:11:17
Speaker 1: if they admit that normal is normal, then they have
1:11:20
Speaker 1: to admit that everything that isn't normal is abnormal. And
1:11:24
Speaker 1: since we still have this idea that abnormal equates to bad,
1:11:28
Speaker 1: instead of addressing that trying to change it, say, Okay, yeah,
1:11:31
Speaker 1: some bad things are abnormal, and some abnormal things are bad,
1:11:34
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that abnormal is always bad.
1:11:38
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to invent a term. I'm going
1:11:40
Speaker 2: to call it render. It's not the same as race, right,
1:11:48
Speaker 2: I was born racially white, so my race, my biological race,
1:11:55
Speaker 2: is white, but my render is black. So therefore therefore
1:12:01
Speaker 2: I count as black. And if anyone says, but you're
1:12:05
Speaker 2: not black, well I'm not talking about race. I'm talking
1:12:08
Speaker 2: about render, and therefore I'm black. It's that's exactly the
1:12:13
Speaker 2: same bullshit as pretending that gender is the same as
1:12:17
Speaker 2: sex and then saying gender is not the same as sex,
1:12:21
Speaker 2: but it is the same as sex, and just fucking
1:12:23
Speaker 2: swinging from one thing to the other. It's fucking wordplay.
1:12:28
Speaker 2: It's childish bullshit wordplay. But inventing a word that means
1:12:35
Speaker 2: sex but doesn't mean sex, but does mean sex depending
1:12:39
Speaker 2: on what fucking conversation you're having at the time, just
1:12:42
Speaker 2: fuck off. And I get to say that because my
1:12:46
Speaker 2: render is black, so I even get to call you
1:12:49
Speaker 2: a I'm just this one time, I'm not going to
1:12:54
Speaker 2: say it.
1:12:57
Speaker 1: I've got I got a comment in the chair, abnormal
1:13:00
Speaker 1: health equals disease, and I responded, being immune to HIV
1:13:05
Speaker 1: is an abnormal health condition. It's a real one. By
1:13:07
Speaker 1: the way, there are a tiny percentage of people in
1:13:10
Speaker 1: the world. Never assume that you're one. Is that if
1:13:13
Speaker 1: you're wrong, it really sucks to find out the hard way.
1:13:17
Speaker 1: But there is a tiny percentage of people in the
1:13:20
Speaker 1: world that are immune to the HIV virus, and so
1:13:23
Speaker 1: they can never get infected with it. They can have
1:13:27
Speaker 1: it in their system. They can have it like you
1:13:29
Speaker 1: can not infect them with it, but expose them to it.
1:13:35
Speaker 1: But they don't. They don't get the infection, they don't
1:13:37
Speaker 1: get AIDS. I don't think they are able to pass
1:13:40
Speaker 1: it on either. I think they kill it. But in
1:13:43
Speaker 1: any case, there's things like that. Being a genius is
1:13:47
Speaker 1: an abnormal health condition. It's an abnormal mental condition. You know,
1:13:54
Speaker 1: there are a tiny minority of people in the world
1:13:57
Speaker 1: who have an abnormal health condition that makes them unusually
1:14:02
Speaker 1: physically strong. Where like things that would normally hurt you
1:14:10
Speaker 1: to try to do, they can do them, like lifting
1:14:15
Speaker 1: and pushing and so on that the amount of weight
1:14:19
Speaker 1: would be impossible for someone their size. They're capable. I
1:14:23
Speaker 1: happen to know somebody, it's not me. But in any case,
1:14:29
Speaker 1: you know, those are all abnormal medical conditions. Obviously, every
1:14:33
Speaker 1: disability is an abnormal medical condition, and yeah, disease is also.
1:14:37
Speaker 1: But abnormal can be neutral, it can be bad, it
1:14:42
Speaker 1: can be good or beneficial, it can be a combination
1:14:47
Speaker 1: of things. And yeah, being above average height, being well
1:14:55
Speaker 1: above average height, especially for your sex and your local area,
1:15:03
Speaker 1: like the there's different average heights in different countries and
1:15:07
Speaker 1: such that would be an abnormal medical condition. And sometimes
1:15:14
Speaker 1: it causes medical conditions that are bad or at least
1:15:18
Speaker 1: that make your life harder. But you know, it's not
1:15:23
Speaker 1: necessarily always, Like there are people who are perfectly healthy,
1:15:28
Speaker 1: but they're unusually tall and they benefit from it in
1:15:32
Speaker 1: different ways. And then there are people who are unusually
1:15:35
Speaker 1: short and are perfectly healthy. So yeah, it's being having
1:15:41
Speaker 1: an abnormal situation or an abnormal condition or behavior or
1:15:49
Speaker 1: anything like. Just because something is not the norm doesn't
1:15:53
Speaker 1: mean it's bad, and it's fair to fight for that,
1:15:58
Speaker 1: but it's not fair to fight for the idea that
1:16:01
Speaker 1: something has to be given a different name besides normal
1:16:08
Speaker 1: to communicate that, you know, everything that's not that isn't bad.
1:16:17
Speaker 1: And that's what cis gender is. It's insisting on giving
1:16:20
Speaker 1: something that is normal a name other than normal in
1:16:25
Speaker 1: order to protect the feelings of everything else that is
1:16:30
Speaker 1: not cis gender. And like, I don't care about everything
1:16:37
Speaker 1: else that is not sis gender. I don't have an
1:16:39
Speaker 1: objection to it, I don't have an aversion to it,
1:16:42
Speaker 1: and I don't have any allegiance to it. But I
1:16:48
Speaker 1: don't like the term sis gender because I think it's unnecessary.
1:16:52
Speaker 1: You just call people normal.
1:16:55
Speaker 2: And why is there no such thing as sis racial trends.
1:17:02
Speaker 2: It's because this was not this was spurred into motion
1:17:07
Speaker 2: by this fucking gender cult or sexual cult or whatever
1:17:11
Speaker 2: it's called feminism.
1:17:13
Speaker 1: Well, in all honesty, sex is actually a much more
1:17:20
Speaker 1: valid division among people than race. There's the differences between
1:17:26
Speaker 1: races are much much smaller than people realize versus like
1:17:33
Speaker 1: the difference between the sexes. There's a whole lot of
1:17:36
Speaker 1: biological differences between the sexes. There's even differences between the
1:17:40
Speaker 1: sexes on average, you know, like the norm is for
1:17:45
Speaker 1: there to be significant differences in the way someone thinks
1:17:47
Speaker 1: depending on what sex they are. You know, like there's
1:17:52
Speaker 1: there's always people who are atypical, but again atypical, like abnormal,
1:18:00
Speaker 1: not necessarily bad, right, And when it comes to race, yeah,
1:18:06
Speaker 1: there's esthetic differences and sometimes on average there may be
1:18:11
Speaker 1: some physical differences, but there's a lot of stuff that
1:18:15
Speaker 1: we really can't prove because a lot of those differences
1:18:19
Speaker 1: occur under circumstances that can affect the outcome. Like you know,
1:18:25
Speaker 1: one group of people is bigger and stronger, but they
1:18:28
Speaker 1: also have a better diet in the country where they
1:18:31
Speaker 1: are bigger and stronger. Or one group of people has
1:18:36
Speaker 1: higher IQ, but their entire culture is focused on academic success,
1:18:43
Speaker 1: and other cultures are less focused on academic success. So
1:18:48
Speaker 1: is it genetic or is it cultural? And we don't
1:18:51
Speaker 1: always know. But when it comes down to like biology,
1:18:56
Speaker 1: the biological end of it, there's not that big of
1:18:59
Speaker 1: a difference. And so a race is almost it's it's
1:19:05
Speaker 1: almost as useless as differentiating between gender identities in my opinion,
1:19:11
Speaker 1: like there's only there's only a few things you can
1:19:13
Speaker 1: do with it, you know, like in medicine, there are
1:19:15
Speaker 1: maybe some groups that have a greater likelihood of particular
1:19:21
Speaker 1: genetic outcomes, but because there are those, those can be racial.
1:19:27
Speaker 1: And like John Doe mentioned Daylor's Dane loss syndrome, which
1:19:30
Speaker 1: I have that actually has you know, some some racial connections,
1:19:38
Speaker 1: and you know, like that's that's one of the reasons
1:19:42
Speaker 1: they do a DNA test for it. So so yeah,
1:19:46
Speaker 1: like it's one of those another one of those things
1:19:49
Speaker 1: I think people get just get too hung up on.
1:19:52
Speaker 2: It's because our culture has been taken over and dominated
1:19:56
Speaker 2: and screwed up and turned upside down by a I
1:20:01
Speaker 2: don't want to even say gender cult. I want to
1:20:03
Speaker 2: say sexual cult. It's called feminism. I mean, we might
1:20:07
Speaker 2: as well just go ahead and call it feminism. Our
1:20:11
Speaker 2: entire identity are, in our entire sort of self worth
1:20:19
Speaker 2: has been screwed up and turned upside down by this
1:20:22
Speaker 2: sexual cult we call feminism, and it's and and and
1:20:26
Speaker 2: it's become an identitarian mess which has also affected race
1:20:32
Speaker 2: relations as as a secondary fuck up, like which is
1:20:40
Speaker 2: why I'm so sick of people arguing about race and
1:20:43
Speaker 2: about nationality and ship when all of this came from
1:20:49
Speaker 2: from from this sex cult. And it's hard to call
1:20:54
Speaker 2: it that because sex is an ambiguous word that can
1:20:57
Speaker 2: mean having sex or having for in sexes. And that's
1:21:02
Speaker 2: that's what allowed the word gender to worm its way
1:21:05
Speaker 2: in as this way of saying the difference between men
1:21:13
Speaker 2: and women without meaning sexual intercourse. Yes, but it's it's
1:21:21
Speaker 2: always been. The difference between men and women has been
1:21:27
Speaker 2: has been fucked up beyond all recognition since one hundred
1:21:30
Speaker 2: years ago, since the advent of feminisms. It's more like
1:21:33
Speaker 2: two hundred years ago, but it really took effect one
1:21:36
Speaker 2: hundred years ago where people decided just completely foo barring,
1:21:47
Speaker 2: fucking up beyond all recognition the difference between men and women.
1:21:50
Speaker 2: And once that took hold, the feminists went, well, now
1:21:54
Speaker 2: that we've completelyse foo barred the difference between men and women,
1:21:58
Speaker 2: we can foo bar the difference between everything else, but
1:22:04
Speaker 2: not race. We're not we're still not allowed to do that.
1:22:07
Speaker 2: We can say men are women, and we can say
1:22:09
Speaker 2: women are men. Still can't say blacks are whites and
1:22:13
Speaker 2: whites are blacks, or yellows are browns, and browns and yellows.
1:22:18
Speaker 2: But we're still going to operate along these lines of
1:22:22
Speaker 2: these are the oppressed people, and these are not the
1:22:24
Speaker 2: oppressed people, but they can't change themselves because we still
1:22:33
Speaker 2: need them as this secondary mode of operating. These the
1:22:42
Speaker 2: oppression Olympics. But it's it's no surprise that men can
1:22:49
Speaker 2: change to women and women can change to men, because
1:22:52
Speaker 2: that's the initial vector of what we want to erase
1:22:58
Speaker 2: from history. We want feminists can use race as a
1:23:03
Speaker 2: way to control people. But they've already gone so deep
1:23:13
Speaker 2: into using the difference between men and women as a
1:23:18
Speaker 2: way to control people that they can completely erase it
1:23:23
Speaker 2: altogether and say, if a man wants to be a woman,
1:23:25
Speaker 2: he can be a woman. Who wants to be a man,
1:23:27
Speaker 2: he can be a man. They've already gone so far
1:23:34
Speaker 2: to completely erase that difference that doesn't even matter anymore.
1:23:41
Speaker 2: But race still does. And you know, if we let
1:23:45
Speaker 2: them keep going for another another hundred years or so,
1:23:48
Speaker 2: maybe they will get to the point where, well, yeah,
1:23:54
Speaker 2: you really can have transracialism, where whites can claim to
1:24:02
Speaker 2: be blacks and blacks can claim to be white, and
1:24:04
Speaker 2: it will be why it's claiming to be blacks like
1:24:08
Speaker 2: across the board. I mean it already is that we've
1:24:11
Speaker 2: had a few primary.
1:24:14
Speaker 1: We've had a long history of a cultural attempt to
1:24:19
Speaker 1: do that without actually trying to claim it as a
1:24:24
Speaker 1: trans thing. But because of the idea that so the
1:24:29
Speaker 1: part of where this comes from is the postmodernist idea
1:24:35
Speaker 1: that perception is reality.
1:24:39
Speaker 4: Right.
1:24:39
Speaker 1: Perception is your interpretation of reality through your sensory input
1:24:44
Speaker 1: and your way of thinking about things. That's perception. Reality
1:24:47
Speaker 1: is gravity works. Right, you step off of the edge
1:24:51
Speaker 1: of the building, you will fall. If you don't have
1:24:54
Speaker 1: something to keep you from falling, you will fall.
1:24:57
Speaker 2: Right.
1:24:57
Speaker 1: Perception is I don't always notice when I'm boring someone.
1:25:04
Speaker 1: Reality is they're still bored. Right. It doesn't mean.
1:25:09
Speaker 2: You're just esteeming up as ups and down is down, Hannah.
1:25:14
Speaker 2: Maybe up is down. Maybe up identifies as down.
1:25:19
Speaker 1: Hey, yep, and identifies as popcorn. Just ask grantit. Yeah,
1:25:28
Speaker 1: actually you are not. You are real. You are not invisible.
1:25:36
Speaker 1: If perception was reality, the invisible man would disappear forever.
1:25:41
Speaker 1: As soon as nobody could see him, he'd just be gone.
1:25:44
Speaker 1: That'd be it, no ability to affect anything. But the
1:25:49
Speaker 1: idea that perception is reality get gets then translated into
1:25:53
Speaker 1: this idea that you can say something is true and
1:25:58
Speaker 1: it becomes your truth. It's real for you, Therefore it's
1:26:04
Speaker 1: real even if it's not what other people see. And
1:26:08
Speaker 1: over the years that got turned into you know, we
1:26:12
Speaker 1: can take the tiny percentage of people in the world
1:26:16
Speaker 1: who have the specific form of body dysmorphic disorder that
1:26:21
Speaker 1: makes them suffer gender dysphoria, and capitalize on their dysphoria
1:26:29
Speaker 1: by selling them a whole bunch of medical treatments that
1:26:31
Speaker 1: won't make them feel any better most of the time,
1:26:35
Speaker 1: but we can convince them that it's supposed to make
1:26:38
Speaker 1: them feel better, and they'll be too upset and embarrassed
1:26:43
Speaker 1: to do anything about it when they get to the
1:26:46
Speaker 1: end of the surgery and realize they have to have
1:26:49
Speaker 1: medical maintenance for the rest of their lives and there's
1:26:53
Speaker 1: nothing they can do about it, and they still don't
1:26:55
Speaker 1: feel better.
1:26:56
Speaker 2: It's bizarre saying the sky is green, but there hasn't
1:27:02
Speaker 2: been an academic push to claim the sky is green
1:27:09
Speaker 2: for the last hundred years, so it still seems bizarre
1:27:12
Speaker 2: to say the sky is green. But there has been
1:27:15
Speaker 2: an academic push for the last hundred years to claim
1:27:19
Speaker 2: that men are women, and it is mostly men are women,
1:27:24
Speaker 2: like it's it's been a secondary symptom to also be
1:27:29
Speaker 2: able to claim that women are men, but it's for
1:27:32
Speaker 2: the most part it's been men are women. It's been
1:27:35
Speaker 2: men must be women, and therefore, therefore they should be women,
1:27:39
Speaker 2: and therefore they are women. But it's just as bizarre
1:27:43
Speaker 2: as saying the sky is green, or that dogs are cats,
1:27:47
Speaker 2: or that anything else. But people think it's normal to
1:27:53
Speaker 2: say that men are women and women are men because
1:27:58
Speaker 2: we've been so thrust upon by this frankly cult that
1:28:10
Speaker 2: says that men oppress women everywhere and already and always have,
1:28:16
Speaker 2: and therefore we should do away with the whole fucking
1:28:22
Speaker 2: idea of biological sex, which we call gender. Again, they
1:28:26
Speaker 2: call it a different word so that they can excuse
1:28:29
Speaker 2: themselves from abolishing the idea of biological sex. And it
1:28:35
Speaker 2: just it seems normal two normies to most normies of
1:28:42
Speaker 2: all across the generations. It seems normal that a man
1:28:47
Speaker 2: can be a woman and a woman can be a man.
1:28:50
Speaker 2: Like it's absurd. It's no less absurd than claiming the
1:28:54
Speaker 2: sky is green. But it seems normal because it's been
1:28:59
Speaker 2: going off for so long.
1:29:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and the sad thing is because there's a
1:29:05
Speaker 1: lot of money to be made with a lifetime of
1:29:09
Speaker 1: medical procedures, Things that might have been more effective for
1:29:13
Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of people with genderdice for you, haven't
1:29:17
Speaker 1: been pursued right as at least not as enthusiastically by
1:29:25
Speaker 1: the medical profession. So yeah, I in terms of who
1:29:35
Speaker 1: people are and what people are and all that, you know.
1:29:38
Speaker 1: My my philosophy on it is this, whatever status people have,
1:29:43
Speaker 1: whatever condition they're in, as long as they're not stepping
1:29:47
Speaker 1: on your toes, you just treat them link you treat
1:29:51
Speaker 1: everybody else. They're just people and whatever is going on
1:29:54
Speaker 1: at the moment is going on at the moment, and
1:29:57
Speaker 1: unless there's you know, some form of aggression taking place,
1:30:02
Speaker 1: they don't get treated any differently than anybody else. In
1:30:05
Speaker 1: my opinion, at least that's the way it should be.
1:30:09
Speaker 1: But if I were giving somebody medical advice, like as
1:30:15
Speaker 1: a friend, because obviously I'm not going to be doing
1:30:17
Speaker 1: it as a medical professional, I don't have that kind
1:30:19
Speaker 1: of qualification. But if I was suggesting to a friend,
1:30:23
Speaker 1: you know, the pathway that they might take because they've
1:30:28
Speaker 1: realized that they're suffering from gender dysphoria, I would look
1:30:33
Speaker 1: for a much broader exploration than who's going to do
1:30:36
Speaker 1: my surgery?
1:30:38
Speaker 4: Right?
1:30:38
Speaker 1: What other things can be done that might not involve surgery?
1:30:43
Speaker 1: That I'd do the same thing with somebody, like you know,
1:30:46
Speaker 1: with with Taylor standleos. You end up with joint injuries
1:30:51
Speaker 1: because of if the connective tissue disorder that causes joint hypermobility,
1:30:58
Speaker 1: it affects your various connective tissues, including your collagen. And
1:31:04
Speaker 1: one of the injuries that I have is I got
1:31:08
Speaker 1: a herniated disk when I was like twenty four years old,
1:31:12
Speaker 1: and it's been damaged since then. Like it'll be next year,
1:31:20
Speaker 1: not this year, but next year, I will have been
1:31:23
Speaker 1: walking with a damaged disk in my lower back for
1:31:27
Speaker 1: thirty years. And there are some people that, well, there's
1:31:30
Speaker 1: surgeries you can have to fix that. Yeah, doctor has
1:31:34
Speaker 1: to go in there with a scalpel and actually cut
1:31:37
Speaker 1: right close to my spine and the nerves that control
1:31:43
Speaker 1: my ability to walk and open that up to possible infection,
1:31:49
Speaker 1: to possible slip ups. It's never going to be the
1:31:53
Speaker 1: same again. That tissue will always be weak again. It's
1:31:56
Speaker 1: got to be really bad before I decide that surgery
1:31:59
Speaker 1: is my only option. And if I can continue to wait,
1:32:04
Speaker 1: there are there have been advancements that have taken place
1:32:07
Speaker 1: during the last almost thirty years that you know, my
1:32:12
Speaker 1: particular issue, there may come a day when it can
1:32:16
Speaker 1: be solved without surgery. And so if I if I
1:32:20
Speaker 1: don't have to do that, I'm not going to do it.
1:32:23
Speaker 1: And it's the same advice I would give anybody else's
1:32:27
Speaker 1: that's a last resort. Getting cut open is a last resort.
1:32:31
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with dealing with pain, Like
1:32:33
Speaker 1: I avoid pain medicine if I can. Obviously, if you
1:32:38
Speaker 1: got to go through something like a surgery, most people
1:32:42
Speaker 1: need some sort of pain relief after that because it
1:32:44
Speaker 1: really hurts to get cut open. Also really hurts to
1:32:47
Speaker 1: have your bones broken, whether it's professionally or by accident,
1:32:52
Speaker 1: and so you know, I understand a lot of people
1:32:54
Speaker 1: take pay medicine, but with the kind of pain that
1:32:57
Speaker 1: comes with ailers dandloads, I prefer to try physical therapies
1:33:02
Speaker 1: instead as much as humanly possible, because drugs only work
1:33:07
Speaker 1: so well, and they only work so long, and they
1:33:09
Speaker 1: can also mask damage that you should be aware of. Right,
1:33:12
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of reasons besides prejudice that you
1:33:16
Speaker 1: want to Like, there's no prejudice involved in saying, you know,
1:33:21
Speaker 1: maybe it's not a good idea to have a herniated
1:33:23
Speaker 1: disk surgery if you don't have to, And there's no
1:33:26
Speaker 1: prejudice involved in saying maybe you ought to take your
1:33:28
Speaker 1: time and explore other options before you have body parts
1:33:33
Speaker 1: altered permanently in ways that you can't go back on
1:33:36
Speaker 1: and take hormones that can make you have a heart
1:33:38
Speaker 1: attack later in your life. It's more about supporting somebody
1:33:45
Speaker 1: through a journey that involves a lot of information and
1:33:49
Speaker 1: a lot of potential choices and not limiting those potential
1:33:54
Speaker 1: choices by making it political. And unfortunately that's been done
1:33:58
Speaker 1: of late. It's been made very political, and people are
1:34:03
Speaker 1: not being offered choices that they should be offered because
1:34:07
Speaker 1: of that. And there are now people who are de
1:34:10
Speaker 1: transitioning and they deeply regret having gone through the medical procedures.
1:34:15
Speaker 1: And it's not because you know, they it's not because
1:34:21
Speaker 1: they were wrong themselves necessarily and just rushed forward into
1:34:26
Speaker 1: something against medical advice. It's because they didn't get good
1:34:29
Speaker 1: medical advice. That should never be the norm. That's a
1:34:36
Speaker 1: situation where abnormal is bad, right, That it's abnormal for
1:34:43
Speaker 1: a profession like culture wide to do the wrong thing
1:34:50
Speaker 1: in one instance all the time, that being give less
1:34:55
Speaker 1: of a spectrum of medical advice than is available regarding
1:35:00
Speaker 1: one's choices and what could possibly help with one's conditions.
1:35:06
Speaker 1: That's really bad. And the fact that it's happening now,
1:35:09
Speaker 1: it happened in the eighties too, and it was an
1:35:12
Speaker 1: insurance company thing. My mom also had its Ahler's genetic
1:35:19
Speaker 1: and because she was short, nobody recognized it in her.
1:35:23
Speaker 1: So she had a really bad car accident in nineteen
1:35:27
Speaker 1: eighty two and she almost died from the impact. She
1:35:32
Speaker 1: had bone spurs grow. After that, she had her discs
1:35:37
Speaker 1: just kind of slowly deteriorated. She degenerative disc disease, which
1:35:43
Speaker 1: is essentially your back ages on fast forward. And there
1:35:50
Speaker 1: were a lot of things they could have done for
1:35:52
Speaker 1: her pain that didn't involve drugs, right, But what the
1:35:57
Speaker 1: insurance companies basically did was they wouldn't approve things like
1:36:02
Speaker 1: massage therapy or physical therapy with different exercises assigned and
1:36:08
Speaker 1: and things tens units and so on. But they would
1:36:14
Speaker 1: they would prescribe drugs that do damage to your liver
1:36:20
Speaker 1: and your kidneys, and your heart and your lungs, and
1:36:23
Speaker 1: unfortunately also your circulatory system. Well, there's one particular type
1:36:28
Speaker 1: of EDS that causes damage specifically to your circular system.
1:36:34
Speaker 1: Circulatory system, that's the one we have and it causes,
1:36:37
Speaker 1: you know, aneurysms and strokes. You start noticing you have
1:36:43
Speaker 1: it when you start noticing Varico's veins a lot younger
1:36:48
Speaker 1: than other people get them. And so they did a
1:36:53
Speaker 1: lot of damage to her. And then in the early
1:36:56
Speaker 1: two thousands, when the country changed its mind about what
1:37:03
Speaker 1: pain care should look like, then they yanked all of
1:37:06
Speaker 1: her medications, even the ones that are not considered addictive,
1:37:10
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, she was left without any
1:37:13
Speaker 1: pain care. And when when COVID hit, she was already miserable,
1:37:23
Speaker 1: and she was already trying to schedule a surgery because
1:37:27
Speaker 1: there was a great deal of damage to her back.
1:37:29
Speaker 1: She actually was walking bent over sideways because how bad
1:37:34
Speaker 1: her back was. And the last time she went into
1:37:38
Speaker 1: the hospital for that and they did that surgery, she
1:37:43
Speaker 1: got COVID and she died. Like that's that's what happens
1:37:50
Speaker 1: when you limit the spectrum of medical advice that somebody
1:37:55
Speaker 1: can have, and then you flip flop on them, and
1:37:58
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, they're too old to do
1:38:02
Speaker 1: what should have been done for them thirty years earlier,
1:38:06
Speaker 1: and they can't benefit from that anymore because there's been
1:38:09
Speaker 1: too much damage. But you won't let them continue to
1:38:12
Speaker 1: do what you made them do for thirty years. So
1:38:17
Speaker 1: that's the situation when I look at what's happening with
1:38:22
Speaker 1: the political politication of the trans community and how it's
1:38:32
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where people are essentially being tricked
1:38:35
Speaker 1: into only going down that one pathway and and and
1:38:39
Speaker 1: it's a pathway that requires lifelong medical care, and going
1:38:43
Speaker 1: back from it isn't just a straightfor what We'll stop
1:38:48
Speaker 1: doing this and then we won't need it anymore. Right,
1:38:52
Speaker 1: There's a there's medical procedures to go back too, and
1:38:55
Speaker 1: you can never go back all the way. You can
1:38:59
Speaker 1: never get back what would removed or turned inside out
1:39:02
Speaker 1: or so and shut. It's never the same afterwards. When
1:39:05
Speaker 1: you have a surgery, your body's never the same afterwards.
1:39:10
Speaker 1: It just it's one of the things that really enrages
1:39:12
Speaker 1: me about gender politics, because these are every single person
1:39:18
Speaker 1: that goes through these medical procedures and it you know,
1:39:23
Speaker 1: sits with a doctor and takes advice and all. They're
1:39:26
Speaker 1: all human beings who are being treated a particular way.
1:39:31
Speaker 1: They're they're essentially being treated like cattle, well really more
1:39:37
Speaker 1: like guinea pigs. And I am really afraid of what's
1:39:45
Speaker 1: going to happen in the next ten years with especially
1:39:49
Speaker 1: the kids. You know, I'm dreading seeing the the changes
1:39:57
Speaker 1: in level of psychological damage that people are seeking help
1:40:02
Speaker 1: for because I do believe that there's going to be
1:40:06
Speaker 1: a lot of pain coming both for the people who
1:40:10
Speaker 1: have been lied to in their whole family. And so, yeah,
1:40:17
Speaker 1: this stuff, I hate this, and I mean, I know
1:40:20
Speaker 1: it'd set it off with the term cisgender, but it
1:40:24
Speaker 1: is a symptom of a much larger problem. Right, Perception
1:40:28
Speaker 1: is not reality. Perception is what you see. Perception is
1:40:31
Speaker 1: what you notice. Perception is what you are able to recognize,
1:40:36
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that it's the whole picture. And
1:40:40
Speaker 1: when we make that mistake, we put people at risk.
1:40:46
Speaker 5: Gender that you were signed at birth. Transgender means you
1:40:49
Speaker 5: do not identify with the gender that you were signed
1:40:51
Speaker 5: at birth. Non Binary means you don't identify with being
1:40:54
Speaker 5: a man or a woman, right me personally.
1:40:58
Speaker 1: So there we go the non binary thing. I swear
1:41:05
Speaker 1: to you, I firmly believe that some gender studies professor
1:41:13
Speaker 1: or gender study student came up with that because they
1:41:18
Speaker 1: didn't want to be trans, but they wanted to be special.
1:41:24
Speaker 1: I don't believe that its origin was in somebody not
1:41:28
Speaker 1: identifying as anything.
1:41:32
Speaker 5: Cerly, as a non binary person, I sometimes find myself
1:41:35
Speaker 5: smacked out in the middle. Sometimes I find myself leading
1:41:38
Speaker 5: more feminine, Sometimes I find myself leaning more maculines.
1:41:41
Speaker 2: Sometimes.
1:41:41
Speaker 1: See, when I was growing up, we used to just
1:41:43
Speaker 1: call that a tomboy.
1:41:46
Speaker 2: We didn't really have a we didn't really have a
1:41:48
Speaker 2: word for when men deviated from what men were respected
1:41:55
Speaker 2: to do. There's never been an equivalent of a tomboy.
1:42:02
Speaker 2: I mean, make of that what you will. I guess
1:42:06
Speaker 2: it's just because there are certain things expected of women
1:42:09
Speaker 2: there and there are certain things expected of men, and
1:42:16
Speaker 2: if women wish to deviate from that, it's fine, and
1:42:21
Speaker 2: it's always been fine. We called them tomboys, and if
1:42:25
Speaker 2: men wish to deviate from that, they're not allowed to. Yeah,
1:42:31
Speaker 2: they just have to. They just have to do hard
1:42:33
Speaker 2: labor and get punched in the face, you know what
1:42:36
Speaker 2: I mean.
1:42:37
Speaker 1: And a lot of what's required, what's expected socially required
1:42:41
Speaker 1: of men, connects to being prepared to take responsibility for everything.
1:42:49
Speaker 1: In all honesty stoicism. You got to be stoic if
1:42:54
Speaker 1: you're going to take responsibility for everything, and you know,
1:42:59
Speaker 1: you think of emergency situations like a flood or forest
1:43:03
Speaker 1: fire and stuff like that. A lot of the qualities
1:43:07
Speaker 1: that define femininity don't work well with going out and
1:43:16
Speaker 1: layering yourself in clothing designed to keep the heat off
1:43:21
Speaker 1: of your skin and holding a hose and you know,
1:43:25
Speaker 1: to to keep fire from advancing, you know, into a
1:43:29
Speaker 1: neighborhood or digging a ditch, you know, to keep fire
1:43:33
Speaker 1: from advancing into a neighborhood. You didn't have anything, you know,
1:43:38
Speaker 1: where you could go in there with ribbons and bows
1:43:41
Speaker 1: and a skirt and do that. You can end up
1:43:45
Speaker 1: catching on fire. You know. Similarly, if you're the person
1:43:49
Speaker 1: with a with a toe rope in your hand pulling
1:43:53
Speaker 1: a lifeboat away from somebody's house, well, well, it's full
1:43:56
Speaker 1: of women and children and pets. You're probably not doing
1:44:02
Speaker 1: that in address either. With ribbons and most you're probably
1:44:05
Speaker 1: in you know, you're probably soaked to the bone, but
1:44:11
Speaker 1: you're probably in hip waiters or other gear to keep
1:44:15
Speaker 1: you as dry as possible. You probably have training, you know,
1:44:20
Speaker 1: if you're moving trees after a flood, if you're tearing
1:44:25
Speaker 1: up the houses that crashed into each other in the flood,
1:44:29
Speaker 1: and are now rubble so that you can get stuff
1:44:32
Speaker 1: out of the way and rebuild. None of that is
1:44:36
Speaker 1: done in a manner that is identified with femininity, because
1:44:41
Speaker 1: if you start discussing things that are identified like stereotypically feminine,
1:44:48
Speaker 1: a lot of them are self indulgent things. Not everything right,
1:44:58
Speaker 1: but a significant amount of what identifies or separates femininity
1:45:07
Speaker 1: from masculinity is that the feminine end is self indulgent.
1:45:14
Speaker 1: You know, I can't go walking through this wet, grassy
1:45:18
Speaker 1: field because I have my shoes have these spikes on
1:45:23
Speaker 1: the heel, you know, straight down into the ground break
1:45:26
Speaker 1: an ankle, as opposed to oh yeah, my boots still
1:45:30
Speaker 1: handle that just fine. Like self indulgent, you know, dressed
1:45:35
Speaker 1: in a way that you can't do heavy labor today.
1:45:39
Speaker 1: Self indulgent, you know, decorate yourself in a way that
1:45:45
Speaker 1: you know, maybe communicates a little extra wealth, and you're
1:45:50
Speaker 1: not worried that you're gonna get mugged on the street
1:45:52
Speaker 1: for that very self indulgent. Not something most men would do,
1:45:59
Speaker 1: especially in an in any neighborhood where that communication might
1:46:03
Speaker 1: result in alerting a local gang to the possibility that
1:46:09
Speaker 1: you know, this guy might be a lucrative mark because
1:46:13
Speaker 1: he's actually likely to get mugged. So yeah, now when
1:46:19
Speaker 1: you think about it, at about the age of fourteen
1:46:22
Speaker 1: or fifteen years old, most guys are expected to start
1:46:24
Speaker 1: working so they can earn money to have a ride
1:46:28
Speaker 1: and be ready to date and you know, start preparing
1:46:31
Speaker 1: for what are they going to do when they grow up?
1:46:33
Speaker 1: Are they going to go to college, Are they going
1:46:34
Speaker 1: to go to trade school? Are they going to get
1:46:36
Speaker 1: a job or they can join the military? Are they
1:46:38
Speaker 1: going to get drafted? Whereas galsi age don't have that.
1:46:44
Speaker 1: You can get a job, but nobody's going to be like, wow,
1:46:48
Speaker 1: what a loser. She hasn't even had a job yet.
1:46:50
Speaker 1: She didn't even have a car yet, Like nobody's going
1:46:53
Speaker 1: to say that about him because they're they're they don't
1:46:57
Speaker 1: have to have that. You don't have to have money
1:46:59
Speaker 1: to go out on dates. If you want money, it's
1:47:02
Speaker 1: because you're gonna get your hair done and your nails
1:47:04
Speaker 1: done by especially pretty clothes and stuff to attract a date,
1:47:09
Speaker 1: you know, unless you're a gal that dates other gals
1:47:12
Speaker 1: and then somebody has to pay, right, But yeah, being
1:47:18
Speaker 1: female the defining characteristics that separate femininity from masculinity. A
1:47:26
Speaker 1: shitload of them are about self indulgence or self aggrandizement,
1:47:32
Speaker 1: like makeup and hair extensions, and I don't know all that.
1:47:37
Speaker 1: I don't get into all that stuff because I'm allergic
1:47:39
Speaker 1: to it, literally a lot of it. So so I
1:47:46
Speaker 1: lucked out. I don't spend one hundred and fifty to
1:47:48
Speaker 1: three hundred bucks a month making myself look like somebody
1:47:51
Speaker 1: else because I don't. I don't, I can't, and therefore
1:47:55
Speaker 1: I don't have to. But a lot of women do that,
1:47:58
Speaker 1: and I get treated like I'm less feminine because I don't.
1:48:03
Speaker 1: So it's that's one of the reasons that I was
1:48:05
Speaker 1: able to notice that was that there's a lot of
1:48:08
Speaker 1: self indulgent things that, sure, it would be really really nice,
1:48:13
Speaker 1: you know, if it didn't turn my skin red and
1:48:15
Speaker 1: put little bumps all over me. But I'm not going
1:48:18
Speaker 1: to do that because I don't like that. When that happens,
1:48:23
Speaker 1: it's not self indulgent for me. So there you.
1:48:27
Speaker 2: Go the difference between the den mother and the Solar Father,
1:48:34
Speaker 2: which has come into in fruition since that. A statue
1:48:39
Speaker 2: was put up in Times Square of the twelve foot
1:48:42
Speaker 2: plus sized black women Sagon did a brilliant piece on
1:48:47
Speaker 2: this on the Lotus Eats recently.
1:48:50
Speaker 1: The statue was this statue of an individual who had
1:48:53
Speaker 1: some great achievement.
1:48:54
Speaker 2: No, it was just it wasn't even an actual person.
1:48:59
Speaker 2: It was a random individual rendered to look like a
1:49:04
Speaker 2: plus sized black woman, just to appease presumably random plus
1:49:12
Speaker 2: sized black women, just for the sake of being random
1:49:15
Speaker 2: plus sized black women, not for having done anything like
1:49:20
Speaker 2: all the all the statue, just like all the statues
1:49:23
Speaker 2: of white men, statues of white men who have done
1:49:26
Speaker 2: things to advance society, at.
1:49:29
Speaker 1: Least one plus sized black woman who made a ship
1:49:32
Speaker 1: ton of money being famous for being a plus sized
1:49:36
Speaker 1: black woman and.
1:49:36
Speaker 2: She a statue of Harriet Tubman would have been fine.
1:49:41
Speaker 2: But they didn't. They didn't. They didn't bother with that.
1:49:44
Speaker 2: They just went random plus sized black women just for
1:49:48
Speaker 2: the just for the sake of being that.
1:49:51
Speaker 1: Even if they were to do they could have at
1:49:53
Speaker 1: least picked somebody who accomplished something, even just accomplishing some
1:50:00
Speaker 1: of the condition of being the first person to you know,
1:50:06
Speaker 1: become wealthy by being famous for being a plus sized
1:50:12
Speaker 1: black woman. I just even that would have been better
1:50:17
Speaker 1: than just no, this is just a random rendition of
1:50:19
Speaker 1: a plus sized black woman, Like, what the yeah, they
1:50:23
Speaker 1: could have Oprah. Oprah Winfrey was a plus size black woman.
1:50:26
Speaker 1: She wasn't famous for being plus sized. She was famous
1:50:29
Speaker 1: for wrecking people's marriages by telling women on her show
1:50:36
Speaker 1: all the things that must be wrong in their home.
1:50:38
Speaker 6: But well, she she also happened to be plus size,
1:50:42
Speaker 6: and a spectacle was Yeah, but a spectacle was made
1:50:47
Speaker 6: of it.
1:50:47
Speaker 3: It was absolutely a topic.
1:50:49
Speaker 6: And you know, when she lost a bunch of weight,
1:50:53
Speaker 6: that was a topic of her show and it was
1:50:56
Speaker 6: for weeks.
1:50:59
Speaker 1: You know, she's had a lifelong struggle. It would have
1:51:02
Speaker 1: been Yeah, I'm sure there's still probably would have been criticism,
1:51:06
Speaker 1: but at least the statue would have had a purpose. Yeah,
1:51:10
Speaker 1: that's sad. If I was black, I would be insulted.
1:51:16
Speaker 1: I'm insulted. I am plus size. I'm insulted by that part.
1:51:19
Speaker 1: Like they just a random plus sized woman, Like what
1:51:21
Speaker 1: the fuck? Yeah, Yeah, that's sad. That's just sad.
1:51:29
Speaker 2: It's beyond that. It's kind of demonic. Well, it's worse
1:51:33
Speaker 2: than demonic. It represents the god of the infinite blackness,
1:51:44
Speaker 2: that which exists for its own sake. Like check out
1:51:55
Speaker 2: uh Sagon story that he did on the lotus seats.
1:52:01
Speaker 2: It was today because he goes right, he goes right
1:52:06
Speaker 2: back into the the ancient god significance of this, like
1:52:15
Speaker 2: for a long I sot we're talking twenty years ago,
1:52:19
Speaker 2: there was this dispute between the solar male god and
1:52:25
Speaker 2: the and the den female god. Ishtar I think is
1:52:33
Speaker 2: the is the archetypal sort of female god that just
1:52:39
Speaker 2: exists because it exists. It doesn't require any achievements. It's
1:52:47
Speaker 2: just there because it is there, and it demands sacrifices
1:52:51
Speaker 2: from everyone around it. And the Venus statues that were
1:52:58
Speaker 2: carved for the longest of times, like even before prehistory,
1:53:05
Speaker 2: of just these depictions of fat women sometimes on thrones
1:53:13
Speaker 2: who don't do anything for society, they just demand sacrifices
1:53:17
Speaker 2: from everyone else. And yes, this was a thing for
1:53:21
Speaker 2: the longest of times before the idea, before the invention,
1:53:27
Speaker 2: and yes it is an invention of a male god
1:53:32
Speaker 2: who actually does things to advance society. And yeah, I
1:53:40
Speaker 2: kind of feel bad for all the bad things I've
1:53:42
Speaker 2: said about Christianity and all these religions that actually revere
1:53:48
Speaker 2: a male god, a male god that actually does things
1:53:52
Speaker 2: to improve society. And there are these huge differences that
1:53:56
Speaker 2: go back long before any Abrahamic religion. This is this
1:54:02
Speaker 2: is the most ancient of things you can imagine. It's
1:54:06
Speaker 2: it sort of goes back to the Yin yang thing,
1:54:10
Speaker 2: that that men represent the light and women represent the darkness.
1:54:16
Speaker 2: And and that's not as misogynistic as it sounds. It's
1:54:20
Speaker 2: it's always sort of supposed to be a sort of
1:54:24
Speaker 2: balance that that one that one, there's the pushing forward
1:54:32
Speaker 2: and the pulling back. That that is represented in the duality,
1:54:36
Speaker 2: in the duality of the male and the female. And
1:54:40
Speaker 2: it's it's not like one is is perfectly true good
1:54:43
Speaker 2: and the other is perfectly bad. But once once you
1:54:50
Speaker 2: begin to worship the the the devouring den mother, as
1:54:56
Speaker 2: so many would I would call it, you find yourself
1:55:01
Speaker 2: reversing back into the infinite black nothingness. And but it's,
1:55:10
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's important too to equally revere the
1:55:17
Speaker 2: the infinite white somethingness of the of the solar male.
1:55:24
Speaker 2: Like it's like I say, it's it's it's represented in
1:55:28
Speaker 2: the ying yang thing, as it is represented in in
1:55:33
Speaker 2: having at least two gods, the male that represents the
1:55:40
Speaker 2: light and represents the darkness again.
1:55:44
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a good way to think of it.
1:55:46
Speaker 5: Is.
1:55:46
Speaker 1: If you think light is always good, try try waiting
1:55:52
Speaker 1: out the pain and itchiness from a second degree sunburn.
1:55:57
Speaker 1: If you think darkness is always bad, try try sleeping
1:56:01
Speaker 1: with a three hundred what bulb shining in your face?
1:56:06
Speaker 1: Like there's always there's there's a time for everything, any
1:56:10
Speaker 1: use for everything, and a need for everything. So there
1:56:15
Speaker 1: you go, and we'll we used to be able to
1:56:19
Speaker 1: work together. We used to be able to balance each
1:56:22
Speaker 1: other out and support each other and each sort of
1:56:28
Speaker 1: slip in where the others weaknesses were and shore things
1:56:31
Speaker 1: up so that nobody, you know, we had each other's backs.
1:56:35
Speaker 1: You know, nobody fell because femininity or masculinity. But uh,
1:56:41
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's an interesting uh we have in the
1:56:47
Speaker 1: vertical chat. I think that's pronounced the same element or
1:56:54
Speaker 1: same element, like same element, like the two words. All
1:56:58
Speaker 1: sunshine makes a desert, So the Arabs say, yep, all
1:57:02
Speaker 1: sunshine makes the desert, so and all rain makes seattle.
1:57:08
Speaker 1: And we don't want to go there. That's very bad,
1:57:15
Speaker 1: bad place. This is a silly place. But I don't
1:57:21
Speaker 1: know if I want to go through the whole gender
1:57:22
Speaker 1: We're not going to try to do it all tonight.
1:57:24
Speaker 1: We might start next week by looking at a little
1:57:28
Speaker 1: more of this gender expression thing, but this is she's
1:57:31
Speaker 1: basically going to spend this whole video explaining about gender,
1:57:39
Speaker 1: different gender identities and you know, how people can express them,
1:57:45
Speaker 1: and how people can be tolerant of various gender identities,
1:57:50
Speaker 1: when all it really needs to be said is if
1:57:53
Speaker 1: somebody isn't directly stepping on your toes, don't treat them
1:57:57
Speaker 1: like they are. It doesn't matter who they are, how
1:58:01
Speaker 1: they look, what's different about them, or what. If some
1:58:04
Speaker 1: is not directly stepping on your toes, don't treat them
1:58:07
Speaker 1: like they are, and they should give you the same courtesy.
1:58:12
Speaker 1: But instead it's probably going to be about how you
1:58:14
Speaker 1: have to whether you agree or not, whether you believe
1:58:18
Speaker 1: in it or not, use other people's chosen pronouns, which
1:58:23
Speaker 1: is compelled speech, which is a violation of the United
1:58:29
Speaker 1: States Constitution that is being has been imposed on our
1:58:34
Speaker 1: service members, the guys that fight to protect the rest
1:58:38
Speaker 1: of us from having our constitutional rights trampled by some
1:58:42
Speaker 1: other country coming and taking us over. They're constitutional right
1:58:48
Speaker 1: to like they don't get to consent or refuse to consent,
1:58:53
Speaker 1: they're obligated, which I think is pretty pathetic to do
1:59:01
Speaker 1: to them. So, but I'm not going to go through
1:59:06
Speaker 1: the rest of this today because it's already nine o'clock
1:59:08
Speaker 1: and we still have our patron show to do. So
1:59:12
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to cut it short here and
1:59:16
Speaker 1: we will continue next week. We will look maybe a
1:59:20
Speaker 1: little bit more at this video. But there's another company
1:59:24
Speaker 1: that I'm going to want to look at next next week.
1:59:26
Speaker 1: This company is called we in Violence, and they're another
1:59:30
Speaker 1: company that the Department of Defense paid to create presentations.
1:59:38
Speaker 1: So we're gonna look a little bit at their website
1:59:41
Speaker 1: and their services and it's it's pretty similar, which means
1:59:47
Speaker 1: that they're paying multiple companies to do the same thing.
1:59:52
Speaker 3: So got to love that government efficiency.
1:59:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's what you got to look forward
1:59:58
Speaker 1: to next week. And I think we should be mostly
2:00:02
Speaker 1: through this next week because there are other things that
2:00:05
Speaker 1: we're probably going to end up discussing. But for those
2:00:09
Speaker 1: who are all panicked that you know, DEI is getting
2:00:15
Speaker 1: canceled in the military, the military has come out and
2:00:20
Speaker 1: said they're still going to do sexual assault prevention training
2:00:25
Speaker 1: and they're going to have sexual assault response training, and
2:00:27
Speaker 1: they're going to have a system for handling it when
2:00:31
Speaker 1: somebody does engage in stupid behavior or wrongdoing. And it's
2:00:37
Speaker 1: just not going to be filled with all this gender
2:00:39
Speaker 1: identity stuff because it doesn't really have a place in
2:00:42
Speaker 1: the military. So there you go. So with that, hopefully
2:00:50
Speaker 1: Brian's still listening because he's running the stopping point. But
2:00:56
Speaker 1: I don't have any super chats that I can see
2:00:59
Speaker 1: or any rumble rants we read the one super child
2:01:03
Speaker 1: that we have, So I will say thanks everybody for
2:01:07
Speaker 1: listening to the weirdness, Thanks to my two co hosts
2:01:10
Speaker 1: for going through this with me. Thanks Brian for helping
2:01:14
Speaker 1: out with us. That makes things easier for me and
2:01:17
Speaker 1: everybody else who works in the background to make HBr
2:01:20
Speaker 1: Talk happen. And good night all